adi da death

[planetsadhana]

controversial guru passed away a few weeks ago...held in great esteem by some not by others

none for his shaktipat he had tremendous spiritual energy

I read his autobiography "the Knee of listening" and its in my top five books of all timethis is the man the likes of Ken Wilber and Alan watts regard as the most emminent spiritual teacher of modern times.

but will probably be remembered for his cult following and "crazy wisdom" teachinghttp://www.enwikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Da

[dedicate]

I didn't know he had passed on. He wasn't very old.. 70 at the most. Interesting teachings and history here for anybody who wants to find out. One of the better Guru's. Thanks for the information.

[kasalt]

Geoffrey Falk dedicated a chapter to Adi Da in his book Stripping the Gurus, available online. Here's a link:

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/da.asp

[planetsadhana]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YbrvECYXTa0

[kasalt]

"Adi Da and his Voracious, Abusive Personality Cult"

From Enlightened-Spirituality.org:

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Da_and_his_cult.html

[planetsadhana]

there seems to be a lot of cases of abusive behaviour , in one way or the other.

He would defend his teaching method as "crazy wisdom" which is taken from tibetan tantra, where by the devotee is shocked into enlightenment in one way or the other,so the guru would use harsh techniques a bit like the zen master beating his pupils with a stick.

Interestingly none of the alligations stuck and there are many who will defend him to the hilt.

In my opinion he was not a fraud and one way or the other he led a life less ordinary, I will continue to be a student of his ideas and writing as its fascinating stuff.

I just read "the godesss and the garbage" on line, describing the crazy parties and the "reasoning behind the teaching" outside the box stuff..mental:p

this website has got stacks of his books and articleshttp://www.beezone.com/

[kasalt]

there seems to be a lot of cases of abusive behaviour , in one way or the other.

He would defend his teaching method as "crazy wisdom" which is taken from tibetan tantra, where by the devotee is shocked into enlightenment in one way or the other,so the guru would use harsh techniques a bit like the zen master beating his pupils with a stick.

Interestingly none of the alligations stuck and there are many who will defend him to the hilt.

Yes, and the same can be said for literally every other obviously corrupt guru in the world. Take the very worst of the worst of them: Sai Baba, Rajneesh...it matters not. None of the allegations stuck and there are many who will defend them to the hilt. The only time accusations do tend to stick are in cases where literally scores of people have been killed or poisoned, such as in the case of Shoko Asahara, David Koresh, or Jim Jones. But short of that, anything goes.

I will continue to be a student of his ideas and writing as its fascinating stuff.Good luck with that.

[dedicate]

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you -- Jesus, Mathew 5:13

Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Jesus, Luke 6:22

And Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

No man is liked by everybody. Buddha.

[kasalt]

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you -- Jesus, Mathew 5:13

That's right, Dedicate. Blessed be Sai Baba, Rajneesh-Osho, Shoko Asahara, David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Adi Da. Anything that was said which runs contrary to their best financial interests were all lies and propaganda.

[planetsadhana]

the guru is an instrument, its a complex relationship between devotee and guru that is fascinating, but hard to fathom at certain points

adi da's written work is phenomonal , so that is the level or relationship i have, not as devotee but as a student with an open mind.

[dedicate]

The Guru/desciple relationship is impossible to fathom. Dont even try. That is why it becomes ultimately an act of faith and love. -- unity.

Guru's get a lot of bad propaganda, but that is most likely due to the worldly attitude toward most things. Just look at how the word itself is misused and misunderstood in society, fasion-Guru, economic-Guru, or even weather-Guru; to mean someone that knows everything about one thing. HOw rediculous. A Guru is a mirror, if you are willing to look and see. A Guru is a light that dispells the darkness. A Guru knows you better than you know yourself. Placing your spiritual life at the feet of a Guru is a real and symbolic act of surrender to the pathless path of self-discovery.

I've heard the institution of the Guru is being phased out by the Lords of the 12 stations and Karmic destiny, though. More and more are we being brought into the realm of self-directed spiritual progress, where in any advanced teacher will be not called Master,, but friend. I think that this is true.

If you look at what has been going on in just the past few Centuries, you can see that more and more is there a call for independent thought. People do not so much want to be told what is right or wrong and without question to some authority. This is the reason for the break away into so many churches away from the CAtholic Chruch and the infusion of the other world's religion into our thoughts.

The future New Age religion will not be institutional, but individual. That is what I see.

[planetsadhana]

the missuse of the word guru, is everywhere these days ...economic guru is the latest one..

completely misses the mark as you say, its far to simplistic to see guru as a teacher.
I have no doubt there are frauds, but also the true guru/devotee relationship is complex and difficult to explain.
I believe adi da was creating a kind of thearter in his ashram during a period of his teaching, the garbage and goddess period where by he was exposing the attachments that his devotees had.
this period was like a massive egoic death,but people from the outside could only see the partys, sex drink as somehow anti spiritual, where in fact these were just tools to show the attachments that his disciples had.

Interestingly adida was a big follower of Ramana mahasharis work, of whom David Icke imo gets a lot of his spiritual inspiration

[kasalt]

When a guru shafts a disciple's wife and the disciple gets jealous about it, this is just the guru's attempt to expose the attachment that the disciple has for his wife. When a guru uses con-artistry to swindle his followers out of their savings while he lives in luxury, this is just the guru's attempt to expose his disciples' attachment for worldly possessions.

All such attachments are illusory, therefore we should be grateful to guru for screwing us over.

[planetsadhana]

exactly:p

[kasalt]

exactly:p

Indeed. :rolleyes: