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timezone
28-12-2008, 04:04 PM
Big Brother CCTV to spy on pupils aged four - complete with CPS evidence kit

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Shadow Children's Minister Tim Loughton is chairman of Classwatch

Schools have installed CCTV cameras and microphones in classrooms to watch and listen to pupils as young as four.

The Big Brother-style surveillance is being marketed as a way to identify pupils disrupting lessons when teachers’ backs are turned.

Classwatch, the firm behind the system, says its devices can be set up to record everything that goes on in a classroom 24 hours a day and used to compile ‘evidence’ of wrongdoing.

The equipment is sold with Crown Prosecution Service-approved evidence bags to store material to be used in court cases.

The microphones and cameras can be used during lessons and when a classroom is unattended, such as during lunch breaks.

But data protection watchdog the Information Commissioner has warned the surveillance may be illegal and demanded to know why primary and secondary schools are using this kind of sophisticated equipment to watch children.

Officials said they would be contacting schools to seek ‘proper justification’ for the equipment’s use.

Classwatch is set to face further scrutiny over the role of Shadow Children’s Minister Tim Loughton, the firm’s £30,000-a-year chairman.

The equipment, which includes ceiling-mounted microphones and cameras and a hard drive recorder housed in a secure cabinet, is operating in around 85 primary and secondary schools and colleges.

The systems cost around £3,000 to install in each classroom or can be leased for about £50 per classroom per month.

The firm says the devices act as ‘impartial witnesses’ which can provide evidence in disputes and curb bullying and unruly behaviour and protect teachers against false allegations of abuse – plus provide evidence acceptable in court.

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Parents and politicians are worried about the intrusion of CCTV in schools and society in general

The firm also promotes its equipment as an educational tool, allowing ‘key lessons and class discussions to be recorded for revision, or for pupils who have missed important material or who may need extra help’.

Schools are required to inform all parents that microphones and cameras are monitoring their children.

But last night an Information Commissioner’s Office spokesman said the system raised ‘privacy concerns for teachers, students and their parents’.

He said the ICO would contact Classwatch and schools using the devices.

He added: ‘The use of microphones to record conversations is deeply intrusive and we will be seeking further clarification on their use in schools and, if necessary, we will issue further guidance to headteachers.’

Martin Johnson, deputy general secretary of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers, added: ‘We strongly object to schools or colleges having free rein to use CCTV and microphones, especially in sensitive areas such as classrooms, changing rooms and toilets.

‘We expect CCTV be used appropriately and not to spy on staff or pupils.’

Classwatch director Andrew Jenkins, who set up the firm with his wife, said he welcomed further discussions with the Information Commissioner.

He said Classwatch had tried to guard against accusations of bringing Big Brother into schools.

‘The system can be turned on and turned off as they wish,’ he said. ‘It is a bit like a video at home. This is not Big Brother. The system is under the control of the teacher.’

Asked whether the company had taken account of the Commissioner’s strict rules on workplace monitoring, he said: ‘Compliance with the Data Protection Act has always been a priority.

‘Schools are required to ensure they follow protocols which recognise the privacy of pupils and staff. The overwhelming experience has been that pupils feel safer and that teachers feel more in control of their classrooms.’

Last night, Tory frontbencher Mr Loughton insisted there was no conflict between his political role and part-time job.

He said: ‘I am not the Shadow Minister for Schools, I am the Shadow Minister for Children. I don’t speak on school security.’

He declares his involvement with the firm on the MPs’ register of interests and added: ‘I have never sought to advocate this. I went through this very carefully before I got involved in it and it doesn’t conflict with anything I do.’

Labour MP Barry Sheerman, the chairman of the Commons Education Committee, said: ‘If the Information Commissioner is concerned, we all should be concerned and I think that my committee should look at it when Parliament returns.’

A Schools Department spokesman said: ‘We do not prescribe what schools must do to tackle security.’

lozz
28-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Well it saves the teachers having to actually do their jobs doesn't it! :confused:

Be interesting to hear what teachers actually have to say about it.

xaroz
28-12-2008, 04:50 PM
What a nice way for the younger generation to get used to the fact of being watched...

Also, I'm not sure why it's not implemented in the first place...there is a chance that some of these youngsters will get up from their seat, during classes.
I say make 'm all wear ball and chains to prevent such intolerable behaviour.

alfrmo
28-12-2008, 05:03 PM
I find this quite incredible, what is to stop abuse of our children by paedophiles filming? just another scheme open to abuse, I would be totally against it if I was a teacher as well for it will only be used to spy on them as well.
A very dangerous precedent is being allowed here, and I for one am against it.

largejack
28-12-2008, 05:05 PM
Well it saves the teachers having to actually do their jobs doesn't it! :confused:

Be interesting to hear what teachers actually have to say about it.

Problem-Reaction-Solution.... teachers will be demanding it's implementation due to the fact that they have been rendered useless when it comes to children's behaviour (quite deliberately of course) and then there is also the opportunists and compensation culturists who have been using teacher restrictions to their advantage by falsely trying to frame them. Oh yes, teachers will see these systems (I would say cameras but they're more than that) as their saviours, and then children will be fully surveyed and monitored and grow used to it, just like it was always intended.

Following that it will be hailed a tremendous success and they'll start calling for the same system to be placed in homes as well. Not feasible yet, but not much further down the line I'd guess.

Another point to add, it may be controlled by the teacher to begin with, but when accusations of 'he/she turned off the camera before my child was assaulted' will soon put that control into other hands as well.

seercirra
28-12-2008, 05:16 PM
wtf man!
"£3,000 to install in each classroom"

and how many school have taken part? something like 75 so far?

how many classrooms per school?

WTF.

this serves three purposes.

1 - get kids used to cctv.

2 - mp's who brought this into play are probably invested into the firm.

3 - continue to waste taxpayers money, slavery here we come.

tracker
28-12-2008, 05:21 PM
under "the child protection law" it is eligal to film any child with out the strict permition of their parents !any person found doing so can be prosecuted under the "child protection act!"


this child molesting means to watch "children with out parents permition" is damned right f-kn out ragiouse !the person who thought up this idea needs to have their mentalIty investigated and all those who aid and abbet this child molesting idea should also be put inside prison !


Fkn kiddy watchers ! I hate them !


THE DAY THEY DO THIS TO MY KIDS WITH OUT MY PERMITION IS THE DAY MY KIDS CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED IN THE COMPANY OF STRANGERS ( TEACHERS ) AND THERE FOR WILL BE EDUCATED IN A TRUSTING SAFE ENVIRONMENT , AT HOME !

kweli
28-12-2008, 05:27 PM
"Last night, Tory frontbencher Mr Loughton insisted there was no conflict between his political role and part-time job.

Okay.. :rolleyes:


Well it saves the teachers having to actually do their jobs doesn't it! :confused:

Be interesting to hear what teachers actually have to say about it.

Perhaps the majority of them (inc parents & pupils) don't even care? I was surprised to see how many schools (mainly down south) are already on Classwatch's client list.

A selection of Classwatch® clients:

Academy, Grimsby
Arts College, Cambridge
Arts College, Canvey Island
Arts College, London
Arts College, London
Arts College, London
Business and Enterprise College, London
Comprehensive School, Andover
Comprehensive School, Basingstoke
Comprehensive School, Bolton
Comprehensive School, Cambridge
Comprehensive School, Carshalton
Comprehensive School, Chatham
Comprehensive School, Derby
Comprehensive School, Epsom
Comprehensive School, Epsom
Comprehensive School, Harlow
Comprehensive School, London
Comprehensive School, London
Comprehensive School, Luton
Comprehensive School, Luton
Comprehensive School, Luton
Comprehensive School, Reading
Comprehensive School, Romford
Comprehensive School, Romford
Comprehensive School, South Croydon
Comprehensive School, Wellingborough
Humanities College, Hounslow
Humanities College, Spilsby
International School, Abingdon
Junior School, Harlow
Junior School, Luton
Language College, Maidenham
Mathematics and Computing College, Letchworth Garden City
Mathematics and Computing College, Maidstone
Mathematics and Computing College, Wembley
Middle Deemed Secondary School, Sheerness
Primary School, Harlow
Primary School, High Wycombe
Primary School, London
Primary School, London
Primary School, London
Primary School, London
Primary School, Luton
Primary School, Slough
Primary Special School, Bromley
Science College, Hornchurch
Science College, London
Science College, Newcastle
Secondary ASCL, Gateshead
Secondary School, High Wycombe
Sixth Form College, Harrow
Sixth Form College, London
Special School, Woking
Sports College, Basingstoke
Sports College, Bedford
Sports College, Crowborough
Sports College, Enfield
Sports College, Grays
Sports College, King's Lynn
Sports College, Sandy
Sports College, Wednesbury
Technology College, Bexley
Technology College, Corby
Technology College, London
Technology College, Northampton
Technology College, Sandwich
Technology College, Wembley
Technology College, Weybridge

http://www.classwatch.co.uk/clients.cfm

tracker
28-12-2008, 05:31 PM
"last night, tory frontbencher mr loughton insisted there was no conflict between his political role and part-time job.

Okay.. :rolleyes:




Perhaps the majority of them (inc parents & pupils) don't even care? I was surprised to see how many schools (mainly down south) are already on classwatch's client list.

a selection of classwatch® clients:

Academy, grimsby
arts college, cambridge
arts college, canvey island
arts college, london
arts college, london
arts college, london
business and enterprise college, london
comprehensive school, andover
comprehensive school, basingstoke
comprehensive school, bolton
comprehensive school, cambridge
comprehensive school, carshalton
comprehensive school, chatham
comprehensive school, derby
comprehensive school, epsom
comprehensive school, epsom
comprehensive school, harlow
comprehensive school, london
comprehensive school, london
comprehensive school, luton
comprehensive school, luton
comprehensive school, luton
comprehensive school, reading
comprehensive school, romford
comprehensive school, romford
comprehensive school, south croydon
comprehensive school, wellingborough
humanities college, hounslow
humanities college, spilsby
international school, abingdon
junior school, harlow
junior school, luton
language college, maidenham
mathematics and computing college, letchworth garden city
mathematics and computing college, maidstone
mathematics and computing college, wembley
middle deemed secondary school, sheerness
primary school, harlow
primary school, high wycombe
primary school, london
primary school, london
primary school, london
primary school, london
primary school, luton
primary school, slough
primary special school, bromley
science college, hornchurch
science college, london
science college, newcastle
secondary ascl, gateshead
secondary school, high wycombe
sixth form college, harrow
sixth form college, london
special school, woking
sports college, basingstoke
sports college, bedford
sports college, crowborough
sports college, enfield
sports college, grays
sports college, king's lynn
sports college, sandy
sports college, wednesbury
technology college, bexley
technology college, corby
technology college, london
technology college, northampton
technology college, sandwich
technology college, wembley
technology college, weybridge

http://www.classwatch.co.uk/clients.cfm

these mindless abuser helpers may give their permition , but i will not and never will , there for , any person filming my children are breaking the child protection act .

I stand my ground and will not change this view !

It is interesting to see just how many folks have been co-operating with this kiddy watching though .

Just proves how many twisted people there are in this country .

Anders Lindman
28-12-2008, 06:14 PM
The Big Brother-style surveillance is being marketed as a way to identify pupils disrupting lessons when teachers’ backs are turned.


Hold on a second. Are teachers supposed to rule pupils through fear? :confused: I thought that that was an outdated method. Only old-school thinkers believe that fear is the same as respect.

With REAL respect, the pupils will behave respectfully towards the teacher (and towards each other) even when the teacher has his or her back turned.

Unbelievable outdated form of propaganda! Surely the controllers can do better than that? Or are they stuck in ideas from almost prehistoric times? :p:D

antinwo
28-12-2008, 06:19 PM
This is bloody disgusting and I for one will kick up a fuss if these cameras get set up in my kiddies school:mad:

Ian2day
28-12-2008, 07:00 PM
Anarchism is a seed planted at a young age.

lottie
28-12-2008, 07:29 PM
The equipment is sold with Crown Prosecution Service-approved evidence bags to store material to be used in court cases.
:confused:

Phew! that'll help in all those courtcases involving 4-8year old school children, there's so many of them these days cluttering up the justice system and the police just have no evidence to prosecute...at least with recorded video surveilance of Tommy stealing Johnny's pencil sharpener they can confidently prosecute Tommy! :rolleyes:

dreamweaver
28-12-2008, 07:35 PM
Phew! that'll help in all those courtcases involving 4-8year old school children, there's so many of them these days cluttering up the justice system and the police just have no evidence to prosecute...at least with recorded video surveilance of Tommy stealing Johnny's pencil sharpener they can confidently prosecute Tommy! :rolleyes:
Well, they might put Tommy on the sex offenders' register for life for pulling Jenny's pigtails, but I doubt it's main function is to gather evidence for real prosecutions, I think it's to get the kids used to the idea of somebody always watching their every move.

They used to control kids by telling them God, or even Santa Claus, was watching their every move. Since not many people fall for this blackmail now, they want to make everyone fear the omnipresent camera.

drhemp
28-12-2008, 07:42 PM
I'm just glad I keep my kids out of state education.

cafetimes1991
28-12-2008, 07:47 PM
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magenta
28-12-2008, 08:11 PM
Anarchism is a seed planted at a young age.

You support CCTV?