demise_of_time
27-12-2008, 06:46 AM
While posting on one of my other favorite forums, someone started a "What Conspiracy Theories Do You Indulge In?" thread. I chimed in with a decent amount of information on how religion and science are one in the same, and even thoroughly explained myself. I posted about how I am no conspiracy theorist, but see from both sides as to make an opinion.
Here is my original post in the thread;
"I would also like to point out further ignorance in scientific/religious buffs; selective reasoning. Atheists are stupid enough to actually believe that science is on their side, and will disprove the existence of a god. What WE DO know about science is that it's a mainstream, government/corporate sponsored, thought restricting limited doctrine. Why on Earth would you believe even HALF of the shit they feed you regarding science? By ignoring even the SLIGHTEST possibility of being deceived, you fall prey to selective reasoning.
Current science makes you feel like you have a one up on everyone else, and that it is the true path to understanding. It makes you feel like it is right, and that you don't have to worry about outside influences tainting the information you are learning; this couldn't be further from the truth.
Hate to say it folks, but you aren't really a skeptic. You're a selective skeptic. You all talk shit about the legitimacy of UFO's, aliens, government cover ups/conspiracies, hidden technology/science, but NEVER THINK TWICE when you see the crazy shit the media is feeding you everyday. And why is that? I'll tell you why. Along with failing to understand internal deception, people make the huge mistake of correlating credibility with power. "The TV says this, so it must be right because the president wouldn't allow that to really happen". Once again, selective reasoning.
Years ago we all came to a point where we would put our faith in something. This is usually science and religion. From that young age you mature without realizing that these very foundations FOR YOUR ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM/WORLD WIDE VIEW COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG! The older you get, the harder it is to realize there is a good possibility that you have been lied to about everything your entire life. Combine this with the human ego, and you get stubborn people calling everyone a conspiracy theorist. I find it hilarious because these people don't even realize they set their own trap and fail to expand their though processes outside the boundaries of what they were taught in school/college.
And just because the government is "official" doesn't mean it is in anyway rational. Don't you find it ironic that science completely ignores anything involving the government? Nobody on this board finds that even the least bit thought provoking? Fringe topics are straight up taboo in scientific study, which should give you more than a hint that these things more than likely exists. What more evidence do you need than ignorance? YOU are your own fucking evidence!
Science downplays the significance of the governments powers so the people feel like they are just as good if not more knowledgeable than those in power. Why is that? So ignorant followers stay within the frame work of the status quo "reality". If science did not downplay the government, people would quickly realize that this world wide view of reality is a complete illusion. An illusion brought to you not by "stupid conspiracy theorist on a metal message board" or "un-educated guessers" but your very own government. The ruling elite, more specifically.
I'd like to take a moment and let everyone know that the only people who will get upset and offended by this type of discussion are the people who worship authority. People who think that everything they could possibly learn with be handed to them at some point by another person of higher knowledge. They believe that science is synonyms with rationality, and that it's the only way to seek the truth. This type of thinking is not only selective, but completely erroneous. If you wanted to get technical (judging by this thread, many of you do), science is merely pseudo-rational. What we know as science rejects certain theories/phenomena NOT because they don't exist, but because revelation of such topics would incriminate those in control. It is a fascist form of truth seeking, and people worship the hand that feeds them this information without asking twice!
The government will invent any ridiculous (but within reason!) explanation when people start asking dangerous questions. The problem with this is that people don't just take what is fed to them as a possible theory, THEY COMPLETELY ADOPT IT AS THE 100% TRUTH WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Talk about illogical thinking! Once more, with this being a reality, can you understand how it would be VERY easy to control BILLIONS of people who believe everything only a handful of "powerful" and "knowledgeable" people say?
I also find it rather amusing that, when it boils down to it, "the truth" is often defined as "what seems most reasonable". Well, if you've been lied to about the majority of what's going on your entire life, how can you even apply this? The basis of society is to worship authority, whether it be government, science, religion, the media etc. Don't you find it odd that even though people live their lives freely, they still worship something they believe to be correct instead of questioning it? You simply throw away any question for 100% trustworthiness of an authority figure.
After reading this thread, I begin to see a lot of tension between members without full understanding, which actually leads rather nicely into what I'm about to bring up. I'm amazed this thread even made it this far, to be honest.
When someone starts a thread like this one dealing with fringe topics and conspiracies, the "normal" crowd immediately pipes in and attacks this person. They immediately discredit all he says, and attempt to "bring him back down to earth" using their own logic which the original poster "fails" to understand.
When presented with fringe subjects, people automatically assume they have some sort of intellectual higher ground than the one presenting the information. They instantly assume that what they know is superior in all ways, shapes and forms. They do not consider it a learning opportunity or a chance to expand their mind; they take it as a threat to their ego. They vehemently refuse to acknowledge they they could possibly be wrong; they refuse to think that there is a slight chance that what they know is incorrect, so they immediately reject ANY and ALL counter evidence.
The people of Earth choose a belief system early on, then walk through the door without looking back. Whats more, they are actually proud of their stubbornness! When they are exposed to truth, the command to reject the information manifests so quickly, you'd think they have been programmed (I wonder why that is?) If you want to point a finger at someone who doesn't engage in serious thinking, go to the nearest mirror.
I do not mean to come off offensive or "all knowing", it just aggravates me to see people sucking the teet of science/religion without a single thought. This is an excellent discussion and I think we should keep it going if people are serious and aren't just going to come in posting spam or calling people "wrong" for thinking outside the box we've all been presented with."
And here is the nasty reply I received from a member of that specific message board:
"I've come to the conclusion that AllPowerToSlaves is one of the stupidest posters on this board.
I really don't feel like deconstructing your walls of text but overall I have this to say: to equate science and religion is pure fallacy. Granted there are some who elevate science to a religious code but the two are fundamentally different. One seeks natural causes for events and the other assumes supernatural causes.
And what scientific breakthroughs have been tainted or hidden from the public? If it was truly scientific that it can be recreated. And if we know about it being hidden than it will be reproducible by anyone with knowledge of how to run the experiment/process/whatever. And what about the government is being ignored by science? EXAMPLES, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU HAVE THEM?
Your psychobabble about sheeple is inane and obvious. You cite no credible sources for any of your claims. Oh wait, I'm trusting authority!! Convenient how authorities are out to get us, and the 'fringe crowd', as you put it, are the ones with our interest at heart.
My argument against conspiracy theories such as 9/11 being a 'false flag' operation is a simple one. For something of this scale to be carried out it would take hundreds of people to be in on it. Rigging 4 major office buildings with the sheer volume of explosives needed to bring them down would take an army of workers and days to weeks to set up. But everyone is in on it huh?
Think outside the box, I'm all for it. But don't go so far that you lose sight of it. Then you sound like a fucking moron and should be sterilized."
I think this guy is just stubborn and doesn't see where I'm coming from or is just a dick. What can I say to this guy to really stop him in his tracks? I feel like I've explained myself but he wants examples and unfortunately that is always my weakest point. I'm really good at explaining concepts that I KNOW are right, but have a hard time proving it to people. I need you guys to help me out with some links/concepts to really shut this dude up!
Any help is much obliged! If you actually think I came off weak please let me know; I want nothing more than to be able to fully articulate fringe topics to ignorant people who refuse to see the world for what it really is.
Here is my original post in the thread;
"I would also like to point out further ignorance in scientific/religious buffs; selective reasoning. Atheists are stupid enough to actually believe that science is on their side, and will disprove the existence of a god. What WE DO know about science is that it's a mainstream, government/corporate sponsored, thought restricting limited doctrine. Why on Earth would you believe even HALF of the shit they feed you regarding science? By ignoring even the SLIGHTEST possibility of being deceived, you fall prey to selective reasoning.
Current science makes you feel like you have a one up on everyone else, and that it is the true path to understanding. It makes you feel like it is right, and that you don't have to worry about outside influences tainting the information you are learning; this couldn't be further from the truth.
Hate to say it folks, but you aren't really a skeptic. You're a selective skeptic. You all talk shit about the legitimacy of UFO's, aliens, government cover ups/conspiracies, hidden technology/science, but NEVER THINK TWICE when you see the crazy shit the media is feeding you everyday. And why is that? I'll tell you why. Along with failing to understand internal deception, people make the huge mistake of correlating credibility with power. "The TV says this, so it must be right because the president wouldn't allow that to really happen". Once again, selective reasoning.
Years ago we all came to a point where we would put our faith in something. This is usually science and religion. From that young age you mature without realizing that these very foundations FOR YOUR ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM/WORLD WIDE VIEW COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG! The older you get, the harder it is to realize there is a good possibility that you have been lied to about everything your entire life. Combine this with the human ego, and you get stubborn people calling everyone a conspiracy theorist. I find it hilarious because these people don't even realize they set their own trap and fail to expand their though processes outside the boundaries of what they were taught in school/college.
And just because the government is "official" doesn't mean it is in anyway rational. Don't you find it ironic that science completely ignores anything involving the government? Nobody on this board finds that even the least bit thought provoking? Fringe topics are straight up taboo in scientific study, which should give you more than a hint that these things more than likely exists. What more evidence do you need than ignorance? YOU are your own fucking evidence!
Science downplays the significance of the governments powers so the people feel like they are just as good if not more knowledgeable than those in power. Why is that? So ignorant followers stay within the frame work of the status quo "reality". If science did not downplay the government, people would quickly realize that this world wide view of reality is a complete illusion. An illusion brought to you not by "stupid conspiracy theorist on a metal message board" or "un-educated guessers" but your very own government. The ruling elite, more specifically.
I'd like to take a moment and let everyone know that the only people who will get upset and offended by this type of discussion are the people who worship authority. People who think that everything they could possibly learn with be handed to them at some point by another person of higher knowledge. They believe that science is synonyms with rationality, and that it's the only way to seek the truth. This type of thinking is not only selective, but completely erroneous. If you wanted to get technical (judging by this thread, many of you do), science is merely pseudo-rational. What we know as science rejects certain theories/phenomena NOT because they don't exist, but because revelation of such topics would incriminate those in control. It is a fascist form of truth seeking, and people worship the hand that feeds them this information without asking twice!
The government will invent any ridiculous (but within reason!) explanation when people start asking dangerous questions. The problem with this is that people don't just take what is fed to them as a possible theory, THEY COMPLETELY ADOPT IT AS THE 100% TRUTH WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Talk about illogical thinking! Once more, with this being a reality, can you understand how it would be VERY easy to control BILLIONS of people who believe everything only a handful of "powerful" and "knowledgeable" people say?
I also find it rather amusing that, when it boils down to it, "the truth" is often defined as "what seems most reasonable". Well, if you've been lied to about the majority of what's going on your entire life, how can you even apply this? The basis of society is to worship authority, whether it be government, science, religion, the media etc. Don't you find it odd that even though people live their lives freely, they still worship something they believe to be correct instead of questioning it? You simply throw away any question for 100% trustworthiness of an authority figure.
After reading this thread, I begin to see a lot of tension between members without full understanding, which actually leads rather nicely into what I'm about to bring up. I'm amazed this thread even made it this far, to be honest.
When someone starts a thread like this one dealing with fringe topics and conspiracies, the "normal" crowd immediately pipes in and attacks this person. They immediately discredit all he says, and attempt to "bring him back down to earth" using their own logic which the original poster "fails" to understand.
When presented with fringe subjects, people automatically assume they have some sort of intellectual higher ground than the one presenting the information. They instantly assume that what they know is superior in all ways, shapes and forms. They do not consider it a learning opportunity or a chance to expand their mind; they take it as a threat to their ego. They vehemently refuse to acknowledge they they could possibly be wrong; they refuse to think that there is a slight chance that what they know is incorrect, so they immediately reject ANY and ALL counter evidence.
The people of Earth choose a belief system early on, then walk through the door without looking back. Whats more, they are actually proud of their stubbornness! When they are exposed to truth, the command to reject the information manifests so quickly, you'd think they have been programmed (I wonder why that is?) If you want to point a finger at someone who doesn't engage in serious thinking, go to the nearest mirror.
I do not mean to come off offensive or "all knowing", it just aggravates me to see people sucking the teet of science/religion without a single thought. This is an excellent discussion and I think we should keep it going if people are serious and aren't just going to come in posting spam or calling people "wrong" for thinking outside the box we've all been presented with."
And here is the nasty reply I received from a member of that specific message board:
"I've come to the conclusion that AllPowerToSlaves is one of the stupidest posters on this board.
I really don't feel like deconstructing your walls of text but overall I have this to say: to equate science and religion is pure fallacy. Granted there are some who elevate science to a religious code but the two are fundamentally different. One seeks natural causes for events and the other assumes supernatural causes.
And what scientific breakthroughs have been tainted or hidden from the public? If it was truly scientific that it can be recreated. And if we know about it being hidden than it will be reproducible by anyone with knowledge of how to run the experiment/process/whatever. And what about the government is being ignored by science? EXAMPLES, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU HAVE THEM?
Your psychobabble about sheeple is inane and obvious. You cite no credible sources for any of your claims. Oh wait, I'm trusting authority!! Convenient how authorities are out to get us, and the 'fringe crowd', as you put it, are the ones with our interest at heart.
My argument against conspiracy theories such as 9/11 being a 'false flag' operation is a simple one. For something of this scale to be carried out it would take hundreds of people to be in on it. Rigging 4 major office buildings with the sheer volume of explosives needed to bring them down would take an army of workers and days to weeks to set up. But everyone is in on it huh?
Think outside the box, I'm all for it. But don't go so far that you lose sight of it. Then you sound like a fucking moron and should be sterilized."
I think this guy is just stubborn and doesn't see where I'm coming from or is just a dick. What can I say to this guy to really stop him in his tracks? I feel like I've explained myself but he wants examples and unfortunately that is always my weakest point. I'm really good at explaining concepts that I KNOW are right, but have a hard time proving it to people. I need you guys to help me out with some links/concepts to really shut this dude up!
Any help is much obliged! If you actually think I came off weak please let me know; I want nothing more than to be able to fully articulate fringe topics to ignorant people who refuse to see the world for what it really is.