Why Sheeple? Why The Herd?

[bananaman]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who disagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?

Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)

[winstonsmith]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who diagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?

Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)

The term 'sheeple' refers to people who are unwilling or scared to break out of the mental prison of limited possibility, as dictated by the mass media, the mass 'education' (Read: Indoctrination) system and other sheeple. Instead, these people condemn and ridicule those who have the audacity to ask questions and to criticise the 'official version of reality' (I.e. We live in free and democratic societies, governments have our best interests at heart, what we can perceive with the five senses is all that exists etc). Disagreeing with 'our' (We don't all agree on everything) beliefs doesn't make you a 'sheeple', having a closed-mind is what does that for you.

Intelligence is one thing, but if you don't have an open-mind to go with it, it's pretty much useless for arriving at any kind of truth. So although people like doctors, teachers and scientists are held up by the system as being the epitome of intelligence, wisdom and knowledge, the fact that in order to get to these positions they need to unquestioningly regurgitate all of the information that they've been force fed by the system in the first place, in exams, means that more often than not these peoples lives are held together by rigid belief systems, which simply don't allow them to explore all avenues in the quest for truth, in fear of their perceived realities crumbling to the ground.

People like David Icke on the other hand are free of all 'intellectual' dogma and have no belief systems to defend, which means they treat information with a truly objective and open mind, allowing them greater access to the truth.

The whole point here though is to think for yourself. Don't let ridicule from others stop you from pursuing your own truth. Like Gandhi said: "Even if you are in the minority of one, the truth is still the truth."

[lottie]

i get where you are coming from bananaman, its an expression thats all, i prefer not to use it really as i think its a very derogatory word, but its frustrating for people who know whats going on to get anyone to listen or take it seriously because the majority of the mainstream are of the herd mentality and wont think for themselves hence the 'sheeple' label, but i dont think its entirely peoples fault they have been heavily conditioned and manipulated! I'd prefer to say those who have not awoken yet ... i was one of the those just over a year ago and whenever anyone mentioned any word of conspiracy it was far to much for my mind to accept and i'd refuse to believe it but since actually independantly checkin out the info i found that i was indeed being one of these 'sheeple'!!

There are many doctorates or those who have letters after their names agreeing with Icke but you wont see it on the tv or though the media because they have their own agenda- propoganda/supression of the truth! also putting 100% validity on someone just because someone has letters after their name only promotes the herd mentality, they are just repeaters too!! Think where they got their education from? they were just told something by a person who was educated by someone else who was educated by someone else- its just repeating information, not saying they are stupid but you dont necesarily need letters after your name or a university education in order to be intelligent or know something that the rest of us dont!
its a hard subject to get into as there's so many factors influencing this subject and im not articulate enough to put it across properly!!

[lottie]

see....winstonsmith just puit it so much better than i could have!! lol!! :D

[lookfar]

Hi bananaman & welcome to the forum :)

I agree and don't tend to use the word myself as it does seem derogatory.

I'm currently reading Don Croft's book and he uses the term "Pajama People" (those who are not awake yet), which I feel sums them up much better :)

[winstonsmith]

see....winstonsmith just puit it so much better than i could have!! lol!! :D

I wouldn't say that. You made some valid points. :)

[lottie]

thanks sweetie but you said exactly what i was thinking i just couldnt put it into words!! :)
(bet you've got a university education!!!lol!!:D:p)

[winstonsmith]

thanks sweetie but you said exactly what i was thinking i just couldnt put it into words!! :)
(bet you've got a university education!!!lol!!:D:p)

I haven't actually. I'm only 'educated' to GCSE level. ;)

[hagbard_celine]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who diagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?

Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)


Welcome, Bananaman. I know what you mean. I don't use those terms and I try very hard to avoid thinking them. I sometimes think and say "you twat!" Or "you arsehole!" though! After all everyone is a facet of ther one soul we call God; it's just the different facets see things differently. and lets face it: wouldn't it be boring if we didn't!

[hagbard_celine]

I've been a member of two skeptic forums as well and I know they have a similar derogatory word for us: "Woo". Nothing would piss them off more if we refuse to descend to their level.

[Anders Lindman]

I use the word 'sheeple' for the social programming our 'modern' society gives us from cradle to grave. David Icke's information has been really helpful for me to begin to understand this social programming in myself and in others. We should not underestimate how deep this programming is. I have managed to change a little bit of this programming in myself, but oh my! what massive conditioning the sheeple program is. As an example, I can intellectually be non-sheeple, but as soon as something like my personal financial situation is threatened or something like that, I revert back into sheeple-mode faster than a rabbit gets fucked!!!

[winstonsmith]

I've been a member of two skeptic forums as well and I know they have a similar derogatory word for us: "Woo". Nothing would piss them off more if we refuse to descend to their level.

'Woo'? That's nowhere near as witty as 'sheeple'. :cool:

[hagbard_celine]

'Woo'? That's nowhere near as witty as 'sheeple'. :cool:

It was coined by James Randi (who else!). it's short for "Woo-woo" Here's an explaination of what it's supposed to mean in their words:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79859

[john white]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheeple

origin of sheeple - Google Search

Icke has used the term in a few of his writings and talks, but not aimed specifically at an individual (such as in one on one debate): that definately is derogatory and should be avoided. It's not Icke's term though: just one of those portmanteau words that develops naturally when certain behaviour is observed and anthropmorphised: such as observing how a farmer and one dog can make 100 sheep do exactly what they want through patterned routine and a small amount of barking (Fear). When considered in the context of mass baa-haviour ;), its certainly hard to avoid the observation that this is (a key element of) how society is managed! With that though, its served it's purpose and I prefer not to make regular use of it

BTW, it clearly is diffeent from "woo woo" which is absolutely a derogatory term. Nice one "rational" thinkers!

[bigus_dickus]

it has to do with the resemblance of human behavior with that of sheep, who all imitate and follow each other, or one leader. so, for example, if there is someone in the street looking up for no reason, someone else will start looking up and then someone else and before you know it a whole crowd will be standing in the street looking up, looking for something to look at.

in those terms, anyone who uses the word 'sheeple' is a 'sheeple' himself for repeating what someone else said in the same way and intent, or should i say a parrot.

also 'sheeple' could be the people that have the need to belong to herds, such as nations, religions, other political and social structures, sports institutions and companies, industries, ideologies, science, etc. even those of the 'enlightenment' and the 'spiritual' group can be considered 'sheeple' as long as they identify themselves with a particular group (herd) of people.

so, in the end, we all are ;)

[i_am]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who disagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?
Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)

in general, yes, they are, because people with doctorates have been indoctrinated by the system.

in·doc·tri·nate:

1. To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.
2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view

and it is not a matter of disagreeing with 'our' views. Hell we disagree with each other's views but at least we are thinking for ourselves. We discuss all possibilities not just probabilities. We come to our own conclusions, what we feel at our core is our truth, not what we are instructed to think.

I don't know the sytem qualifications of those who agree but, believe me, there are a lot of intelligent people out there who have come to the same conclusions as David icke.

PS: Welcome to the forum, bananaman. I hope everyone has been gentle enough..:p

PPS: I agree with everyone who has said it is a derogatory term and would never use it to any individual. It is merely terminology to describe the behaviour of those who have not taken back their own power.

[nessa felagund]

Welcome to the forum, bananaman. I am relatively new to this forum as well. Education does not necessarily guarantee an open mind, unfortunately. Sometimes people who have all those letters after their names can be the most closed minded people.

I was one of them before I woke up about three years ago. I have a Masters degree and I am also a teacher--in the public school system here in the US. LOL

I am now carefully trying to wake up as many young people as I can. I teach high school juniors and seniors.

You would also be surprised at how many of them do see some of the truth going on in our world. Most of my students do not like Bush.

I had a student this year do a presentation on September 11th and the government's involvement in it. I didn't push that on her. She came up with it all on her own. I did help steer her to sources for evidence, such as David Icke's website among others. No one ridiculed her or criticized her for it, either.

I do agree with you about calling people names, though. That's not very nice.:)

[mara of the acoma]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who disagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?

Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)

hello bananaman :)

Fantastic first post!

There are no sheeple. No Elite. Just PEOPLE. All different but all equal.

But our very own truth movement would have us believe that some are more equal than others ;)

I myself despise these terms. They perpetuate the "us and them" philosophy. "Us" being "sheep" and "them" being "elite".

Is it any wonder we feel disempowered, out of control and dysfunctional as human beings?

Is it any wonder "they" feel more empowered to do as they do when we give them such a superlative name as "Elite"?

We perpetuate a hierarchy that we aspire to bring down.



Madness!

[peter19]

welcome bananaman.

spot on mara. sheeple to me is a wrong thing to call someone just because they dont believe what you are saying. people can say you sheeple and hows the person a sheep when they are not agreeing with what they have just said?. in the sense of the word sheeple i think it means acting how other people act and following them, and if thats so then i could put myself in that box and say im a sheeple, i still worry what people think and in some senses follow other people too(it varys in degrees). just because i believe in one thing or another makes no diffrence what so ever. the name sheeple means you follow others and i ask people who always say that to other people, could you really stand on your own?. people are people. some live in fear others dont, not many though.

to not be a "sheeple" in my oppinion you have to of over come fear, and some might of truely done that but i bet alot havent.

[john white]

hello bananaman :)

Fantastic first post!

There are no sheeple. No Elite. Just PEOPLE. All different but all equal.

But our very own truth movement would have us believe that some are more equal than others ;)

More like some are more self-deluded than others. Nothing more self deluded than people indoctrinated from birth to believe they are superior because of the blood flowing through their veins: and the "elite" are victims of that folly throughout their entire lives: though some to manage to break through and break away, and well done them!

I myself despise these terms. They perpetuate the "us and them" philosophy. "Us" being "sheep" and "them" being "elite".

Is it any wonder we feel disempowered, out of control and dysfunctional as human beings?

Anyone who can understand "Sheeple": isn't one. Its important not to get caught up feeling superior over it, I quite agree, but a realistic understanding of the consensus trance situation is empowering, not dis-empowering: well, unless one can't handle the realisation

Is it any wonder "they" feel more empowered to do as they do when we give them such a superlative name as "Elite"?

"They" have been empowering themselves quite nicely for quite some time, and are certainly less secure and less comfortable because their methodology and organisations are being exponentially exposed

We perpetuate a hierarchy that we aspire to bring down.

Yet the paradox is, that without bringing the imbalance into conscious awareness, we cannot bring anything down

It's a fine line to walk between removing one's attentive energy from feeding the power structure and removing oneself from making a positive difference by creating the self illusion that the imbalance doesn’t exist. The solution to being selfish through conditioning is not to be selfish through choice.

Madness!

Definition of imbalance in a nutshell!

[graflok]

... I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?
(The Inquisitive.)

No. They are the sheeple herders. :)

[winstonsmith]

No. They are the sheeple herders. :)

Haha. Nicely put.

[lottie]

I haven't actually. I'm only 'educated' to GCSE level. ;)

well im educated to 'A level' level so that just proves the point really doesnt it?!! im educated in the eyes of the education system to level above you but you can clearly articulate yourself better than me!!
case closed!! lol!!!

[synergy777]

firstly Albert Einstein said; “Education is what you have left when you forget everything that you have been taught in school". remember he was deemed stupid by school, got low marks at school, was rejected by many universities, many times.

secondly why do you look for others to give validation, seek for yourself/test them by their fruits

thirdly calling them sheep, profane is just us being arrogant, like the elite, the irony or hypocracy?. i do it all the time, its wrong. call them the people, public, masses.

[bananaman]

Wow, I wasn't expecting such a flurry of replies.

Many of you are unhappy about these terms too, which I take as a good sign. Derogatory abuse is alienating and pointless.

But this thread has veered into new territory, which I find equally interesting. I brought up the subject of academia and it's contrary viewpoints with Icke. Some have said academia sometimes secretly agrees with Icke, some have said the world of learning is only half the picture, and others have said that formal education can be sniffed at and dismissed in favour of...something else.

I'm not one to rule out "more things in heaven and earth, horatio", but if the things that we experience with our five senses (the five sensers - I won't go there) are at odds with what is being put forward as an alternative view of the world, where are we then? Especially when the person putting forward those views is largely ignorant of the vast mass of knowledge accumulated over the last few millenia of provable facts and theories that have been kicked until they still stand up, but insists they're wrong even when he doesn't understand them...

I'm not being inflammatory, I just don't get how anyone can be so presumptuous with so little real knowledge.

Yes, of course we don't know everything, but the basis of Icke's ideas, the trunk of his tree, from which he's sprouted branches ranging from popular conspiracy theories to secret societies ruling the world and all sorts of offshoots offering tempting fruit to be plucked, is that the world is run by an illuminati - I won't go further, you already know the head-scratching rest.

If the trunk of tree doesn't stand up then the rest falls with it.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Someone mentioned Einstein. His theory, in the last 90 years, roughly, has been modified, but it still stands up. You can't kick Einstein without knowing your stuff. Icke on the other hand...

Bananaman (who is putting on his armour plated helmet and hoping the bombs dropping around him don't explode too loudly. It's early in the morning and I really should be in bed with my girlfriend).

[oceanwave]

I'm curious to know why people who disagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made

...because they don't 'conform' with the minority who 'see*'? ...

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1403/dunnobj9.gif


*wholistic rather than atomic

[adramelech]

but insists they're wrong even when he doesn't understand them...

Sounds familiar. ;)

Each post you create makes it sound like you are expecting to be flamed to oblivion or something. This forum, and most of this community, are not like that. Although there may be extremists here as in any field of information (especially science and organized religion), most are calm searchers who have been through the nonsense and adopted a purely agnostic view.

You main objection is stemming from your belief system. You are starting from an indoctrinated assumption (Scientism and reductionism are infallible and absolute philosophies) and asking for all information to conform to that view. This is akin to when a devout Christian may only accept "proof" through Biblical texts. Indeed, the fields of pseudoskepticism and 'debunking" are religions unto themselves. Your measure of "knowledge", then, is one's understanding of your side of the information and those whom you agree with.

I understand that this is a David Icke forum; however, most of the people here are not strictly "Icke readers", but rather gather for common discussion. In truth, Icke has done little original research in the fields he discusses, his works serve more as frames of reference to deeper information. Thus, your attempt to paint what you see as a group worldview here as the construction of one English author is somewhat poor.

So you know as well as I do that there is absolutely no such thing as proof in any field of belief under any circumstances. I cannot prove to you that I exist and that I am typing this message right now, you can only make that assumption. No one here, or anywhere, is ever going to provide you with the proof you are seeking until you really start to look.

As for the term "sheeple", I find it rather silly myself. Although an apt descriptive term of those operating under systems of indoctrination and social control, it has a derogatory feel and is generally poor as a slang term (what is the singular - a sheerson?).

[bananaman]

Adramelech:
Each post you create makes it sound like you are expecting to be flamed to oblivion or something.

You're quite right, even though I've only made two posts so far (three now, blimey, the weekend is yet young). I'm intrigued but treading on eggshells. I'm deliberately trying to engage in an adult way with opinions I find obtuse. I do, however, appreciate your saying that the viewpoints here are much wider than the forum heading.

But belief systems and proof are a different kettle of pilchards. I'm not sure I have a belief system as such other than what can be proven in front of my eyes, which may be what you're driving at. I don't believe anyone else can really take verbatim what is presented to them in any other way either.

Bananaman (The Knackered, but all agog).

[space monkey]

I'm not a big fan of the term "sheeple" either. Like Adra says, it is a highly derogatory and one-dimensional term, though good for expressing being pissed off with "the stoopid sheeple" as William Cooper used to rant about. ;)

[graflok]

I just don't get how anyone can be so presumptuous with so little real knowledge.


How do you define real knowledge? What qualifications does knowledge have to have for it to be real to you?

[oceanwave]

I'm not a big fan of the term "sheeple" either. Like Adra says, it is a highly derogatory and one-dimensional term, though good for expressing being pissed off with "the stoopid sheeple" as William Cooper used to rant about. ;)

i am not a big fan of 'terms' altogether...

...i would be classed as white,..

...but that doesn't say anything about the celtic blood in me

...so i don't see myself as 'white'...

but, as a celt,..

....but i also see myself as a 'being',..

...'formimg' in this 'reality'

...so, in the end, it doesn't really matter...

but my ego would like to protest,..

...so i have given it voice,.

...sorry...

:D

[space monkey]

Pedantic basterd, uh - I mean, yes, reality is in flux, as I like to say.

"Sheeple" just comes from a very negative and unconstructive place, with a bit of Oscar Wilde style wit thrown in.

[oceanwave]

Pedantic basterd, uh - I mean, yes, reality is in flux, as I like to say.

"Sheeple" just comes from a very negative and unconstructive place, with a bit of Oscar Wilde style wit thrown in.

ach,..

..it's the celt in me,.

...i like to split hairs...

:D

[mari]

I use the word 'sheeple' for the social programming our 'modern' society gives us from cradle to grave. David Icke's information has been really helpful for me to begin to understand this social programming in myself and in others. We should not underestimate how deep this programming is. I have managed to change a little bit of this programming in myself, but oh my! what massive conditioning the sheeple program is. As an example, I can intellectually be non-sheeple, but as soon as something like my personal financial situation is threatened or something like that, I revert back into sheeple-mode faster than a rabbit gets fucked!!!

LOL!:D I know how that feels...........

[the festival spirit]

Why Sheeple? Why The Herd?

Because we are just fodder to them.

[joy division]

This is my first post here so be gentle with me. But I'm curious to know why people who disagree with your views are branded "sheeple" or "The Herd". We are, after all, talking about the majority of the human race including the top tier of intellectual minds in the world when this slur is made.

I may be wrong, please correct me, but I don't see many people with doctorates agreeing with Icke. Are they Sheeple too?

Where am I going wrong here?

Bananaman (The Inquisitive.)


When you say the "top tier of intellectual minds in the world", yes these top tiers are just very good at rembering all the crap they are taught at school, college and university.

They just repeat what they are told to think really well and love the system.

[bananaman]

Joy Division:
When you say the "top tier of intellectual minds in the world", yes these top tiers are just very good at rembering all the crap they are taught at school, college and university.

They just repeat what they are told to think really well and love the system.

A good memory is certainly an advantage, you're correct there, but have you heard of things called vivas? Your thesis has to be rigorously tested to see if it holds water. And this is after you've got a degree and probably an MSc or equivalent remember. They don't hand these things out like after-dinner mints.

Bananaman.

[space monkey]

Indeed, the fields of pseudoskepticism and 'debunking" are religions unto themselves. Your measure of "knowledge", then, is one's understanding of your side of the information and those whom you agree with.

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