Hip Hop and Freemasonry

[meksar]

Like many i believe 2pac was whacked by the Illuminati like many other famous people who were no longer useful to the agenda or began to expose it and because of their fame it would have a massive effect. If you look at Hip Hop it has replaced Rock and Roll as the mainstream music cult as it has got more commercial and universal, i personally think that Jay-Z is the most blatant masonic artist/mogul.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hQrR9TI2mDA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oXm-VgP-W7k&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy79e9lGSQ8&feature=related

[lightindarkness]

Nope, none of them are masons. Its called being mysterious. If Jay-Z ever really found out what goes on inside a masonic lodge he would be extremely disappointed.

[meksar]

Jay Z is a Freemason and so are the rest of the brainwashed celebs who push this Luciferian agenda to young people.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hl4YW4slE&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4eIAjI2qA&feature=related

[lightindarkness]

Jay Z is a Freemason and so are the rest of the brainwashed celebs who push this Luciferian agenda to young people.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X3hl4YW4slE&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4eIAjI2qA&feature=related

Nope, absolutely not true. Please do the research - and by that I mean don't believe everything you watch on youtube. Freemasonry widely publicizes its famous members, and Jay Z is not one of them.

Part of hip hop culture is giving the illusion that you are more important than you really are. As Jay Z's audience isn't exactly informed on just how powerless freemasonry really is, they are likely to believe being a Freemason signifies power. Playing into the false stereotype, Jay Z happily tells them whatever they want to believe in order to sell more albums by adding to his mystique.

And of course, there is no Luciferian agenda just as there is no Lucifer. There is real evil in the world without you trying to make up diabolical agendas that don't exist.

Stop the propaganda.

[1337]

yea these rappersdont know the half,

but yea give me money ill spit whatever you want.

thats whats the bidness is about these days

[shodan]

rap music has obviously been infiltrated by lesser beings, once they sang 'take the power back'. Sadly this is no longer the case.

now they sing 'fuck your bitch whilst wearing gold' (I paraphrased)

I know what resonates in the common good, and so do most. beware the sycophants of the mainstream media, they are pouncing on us right now. not surprising really, we hold the truth. :D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-f7OGrahw&feature=related

[meksar]

Look people like Jesse Jackson who is a 33rd degree Freemason and rumored to have killed Martin Luther King are completely soulless. The Freemasons control all the races and religions through their frontmen in all aspects of life.

[meksar]

This infiltration of the black community started with the N.A.A.C.P created by the Rockefellers and the Boule secret society in America which is in bed with the Skull and Bones to move people away from self-determination. The members of the Boule which serve the elite agenda well will be initiated into the more desirable fraternal orders.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PA6jmaoG7V8&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1Hq8AmMg0&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y41JKvIA8Oo&feature=related

[lightindarkness]

Look people like Jesse Jackson who is a 33rd degree Freemason and rumored to have killed Martin Luther King are completely soulless. The Freemasons control all the races and religions through their frontmen in all aspects of life.

You really do believe EVERYTHING you read don't you?

Jesse Jackson is a 3rd degree mason, which is the HIGHEST DEGREE IN FREEMASONRY. Your obsession with the 33rd and thinking it means something is completely wrong. And please show any evidence the man KILLED MLK - its quite clear who assassinated MLK.

Freemasons control nothing. Stop the propaganda and disinformation, you government disinfo agent.

[shodan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOWTM5R2DA

[meksar]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43182

By the way you call me a government disinformation agent, which is a interesting thing to say because i believe your one these masonic stiff bastards. Masonic exposures are everywhere for all to see, corrupt police/military and judges/lawyers are all masons. I want every mason to know to know that you can do your charity work, you can wear white gloves and apron and you can do silly handshakes and gestures but at the end the day you days are numbered. When people work out who the real child abusers are and who the terrorists are then all masonic lodges are going to be engulfed in flames of retribution and the people will rejoice in the ultimate payback for what your "hidden masters" have done to society.

[lightindarkness]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43182

By the way you call me a government disinformation agent, which is a interesting thing to say because i believe your one these masonic stiff bastards. Masonic exposures are everywhere for all to see, corrupt police/military and judges/lawyers are all masons. I want every mason to know to know that you can do your charity work, you can wear white gloves and apron and you can do silly handshakes and gestures but at the end the day you days are numbered. When people work out who the real child abusers are and who the terrorists are then all masonic lodges are going to be engulfed in flames of retribution and the people will rejoice in the ultimate payback for what your "hidden masters" have done to society.

You continue to display that you are classic government disinformation agent.

Indeed, masonic exposures are everywhere, and all the evidence proves that not only are no freemasons in power, that try as much as you want Illuminati government disinformation agents like you just can't tear down a good thing. You resemble little roaches trying desperately to get into someones house, crawling all over it looking for cracks, and you fail every time :)

You can hate masons for ideals of equality and liberty and charity, but no amount of hate and seething rage will change the fact that good men around the world continue to join and the fraternity continues to grow. More powerful fascists and dictators than you have tried to shut down the fraternity for its blasphemous virtues of liberty and equal rights. Just as Hitler and Stalin failed, so will you. :) You can try all you like - lie and lie and lie and spread your disinformation and propaganda, and you will fail.

Tyranny always fails, which is exactly what you are. A little tyrant.

[meksar]

I cant be bothered the masonic trolls on here are merely left brain prisoners who need to create a state of confusion and denial to the masonic exposures the likes of Albert Pike who knew mason like yourself would be unaware to what the true purpose of the "craft" is. I remember Nick Cohen(Zionist Propagandist)wrote an article defending Freemasonry a few years ago and it was so pathetic, this is all very obvious for anyone with a half-brain to see. I am not religious, i am not "fascist" but i do have problems with you masonic cowards who hide your snobbery and in a few cases devious plots behind closed doors.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1697339,00.html

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVDV75W1ks&feature=channel_page

[lightindarkness]

I cant be bothered the masonic trolls on here are merely left brain prisoners who need to create a state of confusion and denial to the masonic exposures the likes of Albert Pike who knew mason like yourself would be unaware to what the true purpose of the "craft" is. I remember Nick Cohen(Zionist Propagandist)wrote an article defending Freemasonry a few years ago and it was so pathetic, this is all very obvious for anyone with a half-brain to see. I am not religious, i am not "fascist" but i do have problems with you masonic cowards who hide your snobbery and in a few cases devious plots behind closed doors.

Your disinformation attempts fail again. That video has been completely debunked, it was some nutter (you?) who went around assaulting shiners outside of a convention and cut & pasting video clips together to get what you want. The video has been edited.

You can try and throw lies and propaganda and disinformation and its going to fail. You think you are better at it than Hitler? He tried really hard you know, but even he couldn't take down the fraternity that stood for liberty and equality. I know those concepts must be an anathema to people like you, who seek to spread your government disinformation. Your fascism has failed.

[meksar]

Freemasonry will lose when its own members accept that the rituals are set to change their emotional and thinking processes and are controlled by an Illuminati/Zionist/Jesuit elite.

[lightindarkness]

Freemasonry will lose when its own members accept that the rituals are set to change their emotional and thinking processes and are controlled by an Illuminati/Zionist/Jesuit elite.

Anti-masons will come to reason when they accept that the propaganda and disinformation they are spreading is nothing but an attempt to shut out ideals and equality and has been tried by every dictator, tyrant and fascist ruler on earth. Hitler and Stalin would be proud of your attempts.

[the guy in pink]

I. I am not religious, i am not "fascist" but i do have problems with you masonic cowards who hide your snobbery and in a few cases devious plots behind closed doors.

Snobbery? When my lodges meet we are a pretty mixed bunch: We have Volkswagen mechanics, farmers, motor parts salesmen, builders and engineers. One old member with a magnificent white handlebar facial hair who looks somewhat like KFC’s Sanders, drove steam locomotives all his working life: another owns and drives a honey truck.
Any attempts at snobbery would soon result in a fit of giggles around us.

[eppyone]

this is all very obvious for anyone with a half-brain to see.
Glad you finally admitted to having only half of a brain...

Is youtube the only "proof" you have of your accusations? Very immature...very telling, but very immature. Hell, most of the CT's here are smart enough to know that you can't win a debate using youtube as your "proof". I would think most people over the mental age of around 10 would also.

[Ian2day]

Rap is ghost written. The rappers who get mainstream and some so called underground, either steel or buy lyrics. Its all about money money money. Of course if you want to see some stolen lyrics in use just check out the beginning or is it the end of the latest David Icke Brixton DVD. Yep even on this forum they nicked my lyrics and then did a trick by doing a server switch after deleting the posts I made containing my lyrics. All to cover up the theft of the IP. Why do people think I was banned for life before. Its becasue I pointed it out. I expect that the only reason that Sean lifeted the ban was in the hope I would post up more material to be pinched. Sorry not going to happen again. How long before I am banned again. People better be quick as I expect this post will be deleted soon with a ban to follow no doubt! I'm not the only person to notice the deletion of threads ala Winston Smith 1984 style. Sean and the infiltrated mods can think it is not noticed but it is by many many people.

[keystone]

I cant be bothered the masonic trolls on hereDon't post here then.

[noobcybot]

What about this...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IqXPTxbVNYs&feature=related

and the Lyrics

Jay Z

Jay-Z:
Ahuh Ahuh (Yea Rihanna)
Ahuh Ahuh (Good girl gone bad)
Ahuh Ahuh (Take three... Action)
Ahuh Ahuh
No clouds in my stones
Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank
Come'n down with the Dow Jones
When the clouds come we gone
We Rocafella
She fly higher than weatha
And she rocks it better
You know me
An anticipation for precipitation, stacks chips for the rainy day
Jay, rain man is back with lil Ms. Sunshine
Rihanna where you at?

Rhianna

When the sun shine
We'll shine together
Told you i'll be here forever
Said I'll always be your friend
Took an oath I'ma stick it out till the end
Now that it's raining more then ever
Know that we'll still have eachother
You can stand under my umbrella

You guys honestly dont see a Masonic theme?

[keystone]

You guys honestly dont see a Masonic theme?Errm. No.

[mike martin]

We Rocafella

You mean this don't you?

Mike

[meksar]

The masonic trolls are meaningless infiltrators whose common goal to whitewash any clear masonic agendas unfolding in front of our eyes.

[lightindarkness]

The masonic trolls are meaningless infiltrators whose common goal to whitewash any clear masonic agendas unfolding in front of our eyes.

The fascist anti-masons are meaningless infiltrations whose common goal is to whitewash any idea of equality, liberty, or freedom in order to obey their fascist NWO masters who are operating right in front of our eyes.

Hitler would be proud of you, kid.

[meksar]

Rothschild would be proud of you moron, the temple of Solomon will not be rebuilt

[chris_com283]

I've read that freemason members is public information now. So it's possible to actually confirm that someone like Jay Z is actually a freemason by checking the member list. Is this true and if so how do I do this? Last I read was that there was a law trying to be passed through Parliment to make membership public, which I'm sure was never passed.

[keystone]

I've read that freemason members is public information now. So it's possible to actually confirm that someone like Jay Z is actually a freemason by checking the member list. Is this true and if so how do I do this? Last I read was that there was a law trying to be passed through Parliment to make membership public, which I'm sure was never passed.You want to know if Jay Z is a freemason? Ask him then. He's quite at liberty to discuss it with you. No there never was a law/bill in recent times requiring that. There was a parliamentary enquiry by the Home Select Committee under Chris Mullins MP that concluded such was not necessary.

[leeshort27]

Like many i believe 2pac was whacked by the Illuminati like many other famous people who were no longer useful to the agenda or began to expose it and because of their fame it would have a massive effect. If you look at Hip Hop it has replaced Rock and Roll as the mainstream music cult as it has got more commercial and universal, i personally think that Jay-Z is the most blatant masonic artist/mogul.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hQrR9TI2mDA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oXm-VgP-W7k&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy79e9lGSQ8&feature=related


no it has'nt

[yeshua]

no it has'nt

You don't think so? You can count the number of Rock bands that have charted high on the Billboard charts on one hand yet Hip-Hop has been completely dominating this decade.

[leeshort27]

You don't think so? You can count the number of Rock bands that have charted high on the Billboard charts on one hand yet Hip-Hop has been completely dominating this decade.

the world of music doesnt just apply to the u.s. in europe you could almost reverse your untrue statement.

[keystone]

You guys seem to be a little off topic. :D

[leeshort27]

You guys seem to be a little off topic. :D

are you a mod?

[meksar]

Hip Hop appeals to the masses so of course the hidden elements of society will need to have control of it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtjRxKLosg

[keystone]

are you a mod?No I'm a rocker. And it was only an observation.

[keystone]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtjRxKLosg

Can you be sure it isn't the other way round?

[91181]

Can you be sure it isn't the other way round?




Nah otherwise we wouldnt have you and the other Masonic goons in here on ye verbal periods.. Blah blah blah .. same shit diff day in all your posts ..;)

[keystone]

Nah otherwise we wouldnt have you and the other Masonic goons in here on ye verbal periods.. Blah blah blah .. same shit diff day in all your posts ..;)There is nothing wrong with the question that was asked. If you can't be polite just eff off.

[krakhead]

Hip Hop appeals to the masses so of course the hidden elements of society will need to have control of it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtjRxKLosg

Yet there are lots of posts on here from people presenting various hip hop artists, for our listening pleasure, due to the fact that they believe the lyrics to be especially 'awakened'.

My point being that hip-hop per se isn't controlled, but the MSM is (IMHO), which would include rock, country, folk, dance etc. etc. etc.

[angel wings]

I'm actually shocked that people are disputing this:confused: It's been clear for some time now that the powers that be have hijacked hip hop. Whether Jay Z himself is a freemason is irrelevant the fact is him and many other artists have been actively promoting negative traits and flashing certain symbols at every waking opportunity. They are either members or controlled puppets but either way the corruption is clear.

The question you need to ask yourselves is how many times does something need to happen before its no longer labeled as a coincidence???

Also hip hop started as an anti establishment music (much like reggae in the early days) talking about revolutions, power to the people, overcoming struggles etc - Over the years we've seen the decline into "gangster" rap and now the new " bling, get rich or die trying" mentality.

These negative messages accompanied by chequered floors, pyramids, eyes of ra, baphomet signs, skulls and bones,freemasonic handshakes and not to mention many BLATANT song refrerences to "illuminati" or "new world order" I cannot see why people have a problem with the OP's comment as to me its PLAIN!!!!!:

[angel wings]

Like many i believe 2pac was whacked by the Illuminati like many other famous people who were no longer useful to the agenda or began to expose it and because of their fame it would have a massive effect. If you look at Hip Hop it has replaced Rock and Roll as the mainstream music cult as it has got more commercial and universal, i personally think that Jay-Z is the most blatant masonic artist/mogul.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hQrR9TI2mDA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oXm-VgP-W7k&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy79e9lGSQ8&feature=related

Fantastic video, thanks for posting!

[soulja]

I'm actually shocked that people are disputing this:confused: It's been clear for some time now that the powers that be have hijacked hip hop. Whether Jay Z himself is a freemason is irrelevant the fact is him and many other artists have been actively promoting negative traits and flashing certain symbols at every waking opportunity. They are either members or controlled puppets but either way the corruption is clear.

The question you need to ask yourselves is how many times does something need to happen before its no longer labeled as a coincidence???

Also hip hop started as an anti establishment music (much like reggae in the early days) talking about revolutions, power to the people, overcoming struggles etc - Over the years we've seen the decline into "gangster" rap and now the new " bling, get rich or die trying" mentality.

These negative messages accompanied by chequered floors, pyramids, eyes of ra, baphomet signs, skulls and bones,freemasonic handshakes and not to mention many BLATANT song refrerences to "illuminati" or "new world order" I cannot see why people have a problem with the OP's comment as to me its PLAIN!!!!!:

great post, couldn't agree more with you..

and to the OP, nice vid, i like how they took Pac as narrator, kind of..

[yeshua]

I'm actually shocked that people are disputing this:confused: It's been clear for some time now that the powers that be have hijacked hip hop. Whether Jay Z himself is a freemason is irrelevant the fact is him and many other artists have been actively promoting negative traits and flashing certain symbols at every waking opportunity. They are either members or controlled puppets but either way the corruption is clear.

The question you need to ask yourselves is how many times does something need to happen before its no longer labeled as a coincidence???

Also hip hop started as an anti establishment music (much like reggae in the early days) talking about revolutions, power to the people, overcoming struggles etc - Over the years we've seen the decline into "gangster" rap and now the new " bling, get rich or die trying" mentality.

These negative messages accompanied by chequered floors, pyramids, eyes of ra, baphomet signs, skulls and bones,freemasonic handshakes and not to mention many BLATANT song refrerences to "illuminati" or "new world order" I cannot see why people have a problem with the OP's comment as to me its PLAIN!!!!!:

What I'm discovering is that a lot of people here are Masons themselves and provide nothing to the forum other than defending Masonry and trying to undermine any criticism of Masonry that they may see. My advice is not to waste too much time on them. The Freemasons influence on Hip-Hop is as plain as day.

[jayelowell]

I will stand up and defend HIP-HOP because I am HIP-HOP!!!
It's funny to read some of the post in this thread! Some ppl just have no idea what they are yapping about! You got to understand that is only been RAP that has been exploited. Hip Hop still has other elements that are still pure and untouched! Another thing is that not all rap has been tarnished by the Corperate market(The main outside influence). Hip-Hop has always been in a battle with society since day one and has been exposing the illuminati and it's ways in the realist way possible!
I Love HIP-HOP!!! It's more then just music! It's a lifestyle!!!
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/Wrekon/hip-hop-4-elements-big.jpg

Here's one of my favorites...
Im convinced now that more then truth is at stake
Where people create language that pretends to communicate
Euphemisms are misundertood as mistakes
but its a bi-product of the ghetto music we make
From an extroverted point of view I think its too late
Hip Hop has never been the same since '88
Since it became a lucrative profession there's a misconception
that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though of the potency of it lessens
big money industries writing checks to suppress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more, no one goes to the book store
ever since the confluence of Moore's Law
But I stay in the lab, like Niels Bohr
and his son Aage, Edward Lorenz and Leo Szilard
Lyrically I took rap music and turned the knob
to the right full throttle and added panache
Why would I argue with my own conscience over the truth?
thats like me telling myself dont tell me what to do
Dialyses and analyses of battle emcees
sometimes I say things I myself can't believe
My lyrical is so skillfully elliptical
I can understand how it makes you miserable


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUWGhnqBxM

[brainfreeze]

Hip hop moved from the charts to the streets a few years back. Your best artists aren't signed, they're mixing and sellng their own shit amongst those truly interested. That's pure!

[lightindarkness]

What I'm discovering is that a lot of people here are Masons themselves and provide nothing to the forum other than defending Masonry and trying to undermine any criticism of Masonry that they may see. My advice is not to waste too much time on them. The Freemasons influence on Hip-Hop is as plain as day.

Yes, truth can be very hard for the anti-masons on this forum to accept.

There is no Freemason influence on hip-hop. Freemasonry doesn't have that kind of power.

No matter how bad you want it, no matter how bad you need it, it just isn't true.

[lightindarkness]

I'm actually shocked that people are disputing this:confused: It's been clear for some time now that the powers that be have hijacked hip hop. Whether Jay Z himself is a freemason is irrelevant the fact is him and many other artists have been actively promoting negative traits and flashing certain symbols at every waking opportunity. They are either members or controlled puppets but either way the corruption is clear.

The question you need to ask yourselves is how many times does something need to happen before its no longer labeled as a coincidence???

Also hip hop started as an anti establishment music (much like reggae in the early days) talking about revolutions, power to the people, overcoming struggles etc - Over the years we've seen the decline into "gangster" rap and now the new " bling, get rich or die trying" mentality.

These negative messages accompanied by chequered floors, pyramids, eyes of ra, baphomet signs, skulls and bones,freemasonic handshakes and not to mention many BLATANT song refrerences to "illuminati" or "new world order" I cannot see why people have a problem with the OP's comment as to me its PLAIN!!!!!:

Problem - freemasonry is not "the powers that be."

[noobcybot]

You mean this don't you?

Mike

No Mike, that is but one of the things.

The checkerboard set complete with matrix corridor.
Another live show of the same song she performs in a pyramid.
Apart from the lyrics mentioning the masonic favourites sunshine and light at numerous points the lyrics mention unbreakable oaths. Jay-Z does indeed mention Rockerfeller and control of fincancial trends for some bizarre reason.
It must be co-incidence this song came out just before the economic crash.

[lightindarkness]

No Mike, that is but one of the things.

The checkerboard set complete with matrix corridor.
Another live show of the same song she performs in a pyramid.
Apart from the lyrics mentioning the masonic favourites sunshine and light at numerous points the lyrics mention unbreakable oaths. Jay-Z does indeed mention Rockerfeller and control of fincancial trends for some bizarre reason.
It must be co-incidence this song came out just before the economic crash.

Are you just making this up as you go along? Since when was a pyramid masonic? Since when was sunshine masonic?

Since when were unbreakable oaths masonic? People break them all the time, thats why the ritual was exposed mere years after being written.

[yeshua]

I will stand up and defend HIP-HOP because I am HIP-HOP!!!
It's funny to read some of the post in this thread! Some ppl just have no idea what they are yapping about! You got to understand that is only been RAP that has been exploited. Hip Hop still has other elements that are still pure and untouched! Another thing is that not all rap has been tarnished by the Corperate market(The main outside influence). Hip-Hop has always been in a battle with society since day one and has been exposing the illuminati and it's ways in the realist way possible!
I Love HIP-HOP!!! It's more then just music! It's a lifestyle!!!
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/Wrekon/hip-hop-4-elements-big.jpg

Here's one of my favorites...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUWGhnqBxM

Canibus is great. Another great rapper is Paris from San Francisco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJqzEVKwoU&feature=channel_page

And of course there's Immortal Technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M72zVuBNpEA

There are so many great rappers out there that are on to what is going on but they just aren't promoted by the media.

Lately I've been listening to old school Hip-Hop like Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five and Afrika Bambaataa.

Here's an interview with Afrika Bambaataa where he discusses a lot of what has been going on with the Illuminati as well as the sad state that mainstream Hip-Hop is in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XS1PPmrfFo&feature=channel_page

[yeshua]

My favorite track by Canibus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0w9TpI1xk&feature=channel_page

[noobcybot]

Are you just making this up as you go along? Since when was a pyramid masonic? Since when was sunshine masonic?

Since when were unbreakable oaths masonic? People break them all the time, thats why the ritual was exposed mere years after being written.

Aw mate, go read a David Icke book or some shit. This is elemetary stuff dumbass!

[localidiot]

That you know so much about, you are refering to someone else' work instead of proving it yourself.

[lightindarkness]

Aw mate, go read a David Icke book or some shit. This is elemetary stuff dumbass!

As localidiot points out (who seems to do him/herself a disservice by calling themselves a local idiot, as they know more about freemasonry than most of the board), telling me to go read a book doesn't cut it.

Just because David Icke proclaims something is masonic doesn't mean it is. You need to point to me, in the masonic ritual, EXACTLY where it says any of those things are masonic.

Hint: Its not in there, because they are not masonic. Because there is no relationship between "hip-hop" and freemasonry. One is the music industry. The other is a fraternity.

[localidiot]

Don't rile him, if he's got something other than Icke to back him up, he's welcome to show it. Calm down a bit, he may be offensive towards you, but he's not the one who's going to be judged here.
As for my handle, i'm just posting what I've read, nothing more or less.

[boots]

Don't rile him, if he's got something other than Icke to back him up, he's welcome to show it. Calm down a bit, he may be offensive towards you, but he's not the one who's going to be judged here.
As for my handle, i'm just posting what I've read, nothing more or less.


Hi idiot or would you preferred to be called Village idiot? You might feel smug that you think that David Icke is an idiot but he is far more intelligent than you will ever be in 10 life times.

His views on freemasons are spot on.

.

[localidiot]

Oh, shoot, you caught me, Boots.
If you must know I also go by RuneSpider on AbovetopSecret.
I got by a few different names on forums, Shadowsot is another one.
I'm on Myspace as well, look me up under RuneSpider again or uh... Loveable Greasemonkey. Though that may change soon.
I never said David Icke was an idiot, I don't believe him to be. I'm asking for someone to use their own head first instead of someone else's. Saying that Icke has all the answers, instead of providing your own is just showing you are very good at listening to someone else tell you what to do.

As for my own intelligence, again, that claim was given to me by another, i don't take it. I am an idiot and will be to the day I day, it'll be my one achievment and the one I'll be proud of.
I've no doubt that Icke is more intelligent than me, he's certainly more charismatic and has been able to publish books on subjects I've barely looked into.
Regardless, though, when I wright a report, I use as many sources as I can, and ad din my own understanding (such as it may be) to it.

[boots]

There are somethings that Icke has said that I take with a grain of salt, over all he is well researched and I respect him for that. I gather my info from lots of different sources and people as well as judging from my own conscious.

Emotional intelligence is far more important and honourable than analytical intelligence.


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[ownoiz]

Jay-Z:
No clouds in my stones
Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank
Come'n down with the Dow Jones
When the clouds come we gone
We Rocafella

You know me; an anticipation for precipitation

You guys honestly dont see a Masonic theme?

I see that Jay-Z was bearish on the DJI before it got spanked....

Let it rain - Financial Trouble

Come'n down with the Dow Jones - Self explanatory

When the clouds come we gone - We sold our stocks at a high before it rained, when the clouds came, before the financial crisis.

We Rocafella - Were in the loop.

an anticipation for precipitation - Its going to rain/financial trouble and i know its coming.
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[osiris_priest]

yes Naz is a free mason in the primitive african egiption systen

kian west is into RC based masonry

J-Zis a mason the is a known fact in the HH comunityThe illuminatae rockafella lodge is in Newyork(rocka fella records)

queen L an other also have high degrees in magi tradition
sami davis also he was drowned by his unidine elemental when he lost hid elemental talisman etc,Rosi packs was involved in AF illuminatae masonary she is one of the most famous members why do you think they could not through her of that bus ,fineral at the white house,martin luther king on the other had was a grand masters in princehall masonry and otherthey use him to get the people together then thry got ride of him etc

[skyver]

You really do believe EVERYTHING you read don't you?

Jesse Jackson is a 3rd degree mason, which is the HIGHEST DEGREE IN FREEMASONRY. Your obsession with the 33rd and thinking it means something is completely wrong. And please show any evidence the man KILLED MLK - its quite clear who assassinated MLK.

Freemasons control nothing. Stop the propaganda and disinformation, you government disinfo agent.

Sort it out & do the research yourself, It is you who are deluded not meksar. open your eyes...

[skyver]

What I'm discovering is that a lot of people here are Masons themselves and provide nothing to the forum other than defending Masonry and trying to undermine any criticism of Masonry that they may see. My advice is not to waste too much time on them. The Freemasons influence on Hip-Hop is as plain as day.

Exactly, & they love to put peoples views down on here.

[Ian2day]

Umbrella was written in I think about November 2003. Even then at that point the market fall had been long overdue, so the lyrics are not really that prophetic, even if I do say so myself.

[noobcybot]

Umbrella was written in I think about November 2003. Even then at that point the market fall had been long overdue, so the lyrics are not really that prophetic, even if I do say so myself.

Unless you count the floods that occoured at the time of its release.

I found this breakdown which seems pretty comprehensive.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=175

[Ian2day]

Unless you count the floods that occoured at the time of its release.

I found this breakdown which seems pretty comprehensive.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=175


Nah its pretty much wide of the mark. Some of it is just naval gaising. I guess that only the person who wrote it, really knows what it all means. Now where would we find such a person...

[drc_]

As localidiot points out (who seems to do him/herself a disservice by calling themselves a local idiot, as they know more about freemasonry than most of the board), telling me to go read a book doesn't cut it.

Just because David Icke proclaims something is masonic doesn't mean it is. You need to point to me, in the masonic ritual, EXACTLY where it says any of those things are masonic.

Hint: Its not in there, because they are not masonic. Because there is no relationship between "hip-hop" and freemasonry. One is the music industry. The other is a fraternity.

Do you read back what you're saying to us? Do you realize everything that you're saying? have you investigated ANY of the accusations? Have you EVER looked into all the stuff people are posting here?

Cuz if you have, you're not making ANY sense or you're just too stupid to realize it...

[91181]

I will stand up and defend HIP-HOP because I am HIP-HOP!!!
It's funny to read some of the post in this thread! Some ppl just have no idea what they are yapping about! You got to understand that is only been RAP that has been exploited. Hip Hop still has other elements that are still pure and untouched! Another thing is that not all rap has been tarnished by the Corperate market(The main outside influence). Hip-Hop has always been in a battle with society since day one and has been exposing the illuminati and it's ways in the realist way possible!
I Love HIP-HOP!!! It's more then just music! It's a lifestyle!!!
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/Wrekon/hip-hop-4-elements-big.jpg

Here's one of my favorites...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUWGhnqBxM

Sup mate yes i agree its creative and positive so its only natural the dark forces had to infiltrarte like they do throughout society, fkn cretins..


Canibus is the truth check out these quotes from other rappers about him ..


"Str8 up he is more than a battle MC and his delivery to me is ill...just listen to him. If you don't like him then you shouldn't be listening to rap" - EMINEM




✭ ✭ "The niggaz simply the hottest, dopest underground mc" - BUSTA RHYMES




✭ ✭ "Came str8 out the mo****in box like hes been there for 10 years. His rhythm is incredible" - RAKIM




✭ ✭ "lyrical standard for
all mcz" - PHAROAH MONCH




✭ ✭ "He's dope to me" - PROOF




✭ ✭ "Innovative, spontaneous, he's just ridiculous. Im feeling him" - FUNK FLEX




✭ ✭ "He's off the rocker. The world aint ready for him" - LOST BOYZ




✭ ✭ "The illest in a long time" - DJ CLUE




✭ ✭ "He's the leader of the new school." - STEVE STOUTE (TRACKMASTERZ)




✭ ✭ "The tazmanian devil of rap" - AZ




✭ ✭ "He's the rap Nostradamus, 1 of the best I ever heard" - WYCLEF




✭ ✭ "Canibus is the complete artist, the total package. He completed our dynamic duo. I line em up and he knocks em down" - CHARLES SUITT (CEO GROUP HOME ENT)




✭ ✭ "1 of the rawest there is" - COMMON




✭ ✭ "Lyrically, can't no1 really compare to him. He says S*** that you have to think about for 10 years before you get it." - THIRSTEN HOWL III




✭ ✭ "Head and shoulders above the rest, incredible" - MARLEY MARL




✭ ✭ "He's bananas dog. When I first heard him rhyme, I thought he was from another planet" - DMX




✭ ✭ "He's someone who I would be scared to battle" - RAS KASS




✭ ✭ "I never ran into anybody that overwhelmed me" - KILLAH PRIEST




✭ ✭ "I feel sorry for any rapper think they equal to bis" - VINNIE PAZ




✭ ✭ "He's like the boxer all the well known boxers duck. - CORMEGA




✭ ✭ "His dream (Big Pun) to do a song was always with Canibus.
" - Fat Joe


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[elysiansix]

Part of hip hop culture is giving the illusion that you are more important than you really are. As Jay Z's audience isn't exactly informed on just how powerless freemasonry really is, they are likely to believe being a Freemason signifies power. Playing into the false stereotype, Jay Z happily tells them whatever they want to believe in order to sell more albums by adding to his mystique.

And of course, there is no Luciferian agenda just as there is no Lucifer. There is real evil in the world without you trying to make up diabolical agendas that don't exist.

Stop the propaganda.

Oh, no Luciferian agenda? The 'real evil' you speak of is brought in by the Satanists (Zionists) who hide behind the Illuminati and FREEMASONS. Do you know why 'Hip Hop' is important? It's cos the letters 'HI' symbolise male and 'HO' mean female so HIP HOP encompasses the whole range. Both words (Hip and Hop) have their own (separate) significant meanings relating to the satanic agenda - which is why so many masonic/illuminati/satanic artists and satanists support it. Its basis is in sex, perversion, rituals and sacrifice. Dont ever think music has anything to do with good vibrations and spirituality: it's all about manipulation and sacrificing people.
For that read 'MONEY'.

[chris_com283]

You want to know if Jay Z is a freemason? Ask him then. He's quite at liberty to discuss it with you. No there never was a law/bill in recent times requiring that. There was a parliamentary enquiry by the Home Select Committee under Chris Mullins MP that concluded such was not necessary.
Sure he's at libert to admit he's a Mason. Though not all people are willing to admit organisations they're members of. There's also the fact that he would just lie to boost his reputation. This is what I kind of believe is the reason for all the talk about Rockefeller and weird handshakes and stuff. Though I believe the "diamond" sign done by him is a deliberate mudra. I also think laws are different in the US. The person on the Internet seemed fairly positive that you could look up the members of Masons.

Aw mate, go read a David Icke book or some shit. This is elemetary stuff dumbass!
If it's elementary stuff then surely it would be easy to explain it here.

Calling someone an idiot just because they expect people to rely on one man to know everything is pretty silly in my opinion. Even localidiot, admited that Icke isn't stupid. Though I guess it would be a good idea for him to read one of his books if he wanted to debate about this properly. Though his books are quite thick and I personally don't find the content that well organised.

Emotional intelligence is far more important and honourable than analytical intelligence.
It's powerful, but you've got to use it for the right things. It works well in some areas you can't merely rely on it. Though there's no reason you can't use both in balance. Say using your intuition to guide to towards information. Though in the end you've got to use our logic to form a sound conclusion.

[noobcybot]

If it's elementary stuff then surely it would be easy to explain it here.

Calling someone an idiot just because they expect people to rely on one man to know everything is pretty silly in my opinion. Even localidiot, admited that Icke isn't stupid. Though I guess it would be a good idea for him to read one of his books if he wanted to debate about this properly. Though his books are quite thick and I personally don't find the content that well organise.


I dont understand what you just typed. What are you trying to say?

[angel wings]

What I'm discovering is that a lot of people here are Masons themselves and provide nothing to the forum other than defending Masonry and trying to undermine any criticism of Masonry that they may see. My advice is not to waste too much time on them. The Freemasons influence on Hip-Hop is as plain as day.

Thanks Yeshua.

[angel wings]

Hip hop moved from the charts to the streets a few years back. Your best artists aren't signed, they're mixing and sellng their own shit amongst those truly interested. That's pure!

Very true, I must stress that it's mainstream "hip hop" that is the issue, the underground artists who are speaking conscious lyrics are the ones who won't get airplay.

[angel wings]

Yes, truth can be very hard for the anti-masons on this forum to accept.

There is no Freemason influence on hip-hop. Freemasonry doesn't have that kind of power.

No matter how bad you want it, no matter how bad you need it, it just isn't true.


You keep saying this but have not put any backing behind what you are saying. The OP has supplied video footage and other links to support his/her claim, could you kindly do the same otherwise how can anyone take your point seriously?

[angel wings]

Problem - freemasonry is not "the powers that be."

Masonry is the 1st step, many of the PTB are masons (if not all) - therefore you have to be part of the "brotherhood" before you can make it to the next level. As mentioned in my post above the freemasonary and illumanti references are very clear and frequent throughout the mainstream hip hop industry and within music in general.

You defend masons in your posts, which is fine. But I would like to ask if your order has the best of intentions for people why is it an exclusive group? Also if your non mason longtime good friend was in trouble and you wanted to help, but your "brothers" said you couldn't who would your be alliance with?

[angel wings]

No Mike, that is but one of the things.

The checkerboard set complete with matrix corridor.
Another live show of the same song she performs in a pyramid.
Apart from the lyrics mentioning the masonic favourites sunshine and light at numerous points the lyrics mention unbreakable oaths. Jay-Z does indeed mention Rockerfeller and control of fincancial trends for some bizarre reason.
It must be co-incidence this song came out just before the economic crash.

Good observation!

[angel wings]

As localidiot points out (who seems to do him/herself a disservice by calling themselves a local idiot, as they know more about freemasonry than most of the board), telling me to go read a book doesn't cut it.

Just because David Icke proclaims something is masonic doesn't mean it is. You need to point to me, in the masonic ritual, EXACTLY where it says any of those things are masonic.

Hint: Its not in there, because they are not masonic. Because there is no relationship between "hip-hop" and freemasonry. One is the music industry. The other is a fraternity.

Here are some images of your lodges, greetings and general images backing up the connection between the sybmolism used.

Chequered floor now a common feature in videos
http://www.arcticmasoniclodge.com/images/357%5B1%5D.jpg

Hip hop artists are frequently greeting each other like this
http://www.1175.org.uk/cms/images/stories/tom_ian.jpg

These symbols are constantly appearing in the videos
http://www.calodges.org/no769/images/Palmdale.gif

You argue they are two separate entities and that is correct, but it's also apparent that the two are now starting to merge in a very obvious way. I've said all I can say on the issue so I'll leave it here and we can agree to disagree.

[ownoiz]

Whatever people like Jay-Z are up to...one things for sure.... he is bringing alot of attention to the illuminati topic of late by making all seeing eye pyramids wherever he goes.....and its out in the open for the mainstream audiences to see...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1660

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1666

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1663

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1664

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1662

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1661
You Lose

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1665


I got 99 problems but making a pyramid wherever i go aint one....
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[badasscass]

I got 99 problems but making a pyramid wherever i go aint one....


lol

[chris_com283]

I dont understand what you just typed. What are you trying to say?

It was mainy the response to localidiot. Someone said to read an Icke book as the stuff talked on here is elementary, The thing is if it's so basic then why can't they mention it here? I just felt I had to have my say here as the general anti-masons are starting to get annoying. It seems to me as a strange form of bullying than a discussion. It makes me think they've just read an Icke book and think they know reality. It's much more compliated than that. I rarely state my opinion on matters such a these, but all the mud slinging is getting annoying.

I'm saying this about the anti-masons and the Masons. I mean someone talked crap about the Masons and a member (I guess was a Mason) pretty much accused them of being a Mason. I'm going to end now 'cause I feel a strange presence next to me.

Anyway, hope you all had a good new year, however much your pathetic arguments annoy me.

[chris_com283]

Ok I drunk and need a piss. I'll probably wont check the replies in a while, but can you find a Masonic symbol even similar to the "diamond" sign?

[ownoiz]

Ok I drunk and need a piss. I'll probably wont check the replies in a while, but can you find a Masonic symbol even similar to the "diamond" sign?

Its not a diamond, its a triangle representing the pyramid and Eye of Providence in the all-seeing-eye symbol.

The natural curves on human thumbs make it impossible to form a perfect triangle, BUT... If you are still doubting what Jay-Z is attempting to portray here is is a reminder of Jay-Z using his own eye to make a representation of the symbol...

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9359/jayzlm4.jpg

THEN COMPARE TO THE ALL SEEING EYE SYMBOL AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT JAY-Z, KANYE WEST, BEYONCE AND OTHERS ARE PORTRAYING...

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7420/521pxusgreatsealreversest0.png

Where the top of the pyramid should be, the Eye of Providence watches over it. Two mottos appear: Annuit Cœptis signifies that the Eye of Providence has "approved of (our) undertakings." Novus Ordo Seclorum, freely taken from Virgil, translates to "a new order of the ages" or "new world order"

OK so now if your thinking whats this got to do with freemasons check out the following links and see for yourself..

The Eye of Providence also appears as part of the iconography of the Freemasons - Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence)

ALL-SEEING EYE. An important symbol of the Supreme Being, borrowed by the Freemasons from the nations of antiquity - www.freemasonry.bcy.ca (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/eye.html)

All Seeing Eye - An emblem found in every well-furnished lodge - www.masonicdictionary.com (http://www.masonicdictionary.com/allseeing.html)
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[rr_x]

Very true, I must stress that it's mainstream "hip hop" that is the issue, the underground artists who are speaking conscious lyrics are the ones who won't get airplay.

ALL of hip-hop is the issue. The mainstream is obviously run by the elite, used as a propaganda tool to incite certain actions amongst it's listeners - namely womanizing, portrayal of extreme masculinity (even amongst females), criminal behaviour and the use of drugs as they were unintended to name but a few. Those 'conscious' artists have no idea when it comes to politics while the ones that are more clued on are proliferating the divide and conquer tactics much further by advocating totalitarian Islam or extreme afrocentrism.

Needless to say the elite are not stupid. While there are certain sections of society who will be influenced by the mainstream junk, hip-hop has always been an underground phenomena and if the elite have not infiltrated the underground I'd be extremely surprised - especially regarding the presence of the hip-hop police and the tactics employed by 'snitch' rappers who use coded names to tell the authorities (in their songs) what is going on in their hoods.

[yeshua]

From Jay-Z's clothing line:
http://elluminati.blogspot.com/2008/12/illuminatied-gifts-from-rocawear.html

[jayelowell]

I wanna asked you ie;the reader this!!!
If you had the opportunity to learn all the secrets of the masons, would you?

[meksar]

I would but i would stab them in the back at the last minute and watch the fucking lodge burn to the ground.

[noobcybot]

It was mainy the response to localidiot. Someone said to read an Icke book as the stuff talked on here is elementary, The thing is if it's so basic then why can't they mention it here?

I was the one who said that shit was elementary, as in elementary to being able to talk about this stuff with at least some direction. Put simply if you read a David Icke book before coming on his forums specifically it seems in many cases to argue against his ideas, then we are going to have a much better time with less arguments and more proactive discussion.
You seem to be of the impression that when I say elementary that I could explain the whole agenda of reality in a few sentances. Indeed we probably could, but nobody would believe us. We have to use differant angles of approach to open our minds to this whole concept that our reality is highly controlled. You could do way worse than reading a David Icke book.....especially if you are going to go and argue with people who have already come across such concepts.
So in short no, nobody could just "mention" the way the agenda works and have a person already decided against the idea believe them. It would not even work for a small part of the agenda such as the symbolism this thread is based on.


I just felt I had to have my say here as the general anti-masons are starting to get annoying.

Bit fucking cheeky considering this is a DAVID ICKE WEBSITE!
Even though a lot of people here know what the organisation is responsible for most people will reasonably give the Freemasons on here the benefit of the doubt and assume they are not evil satanists.
But you obviously have not been here long otherwise you would know that most every Mason on here came here to defend the Masons only and sometimes stuck around to to make lame comments and generally stop the flow of conversation by having people explain simple concepts ( in terms of the agenda) over and over and over again. The Masons on here preach fraternity and the teachings of their order but have I ever had one enlightening conversation with one? No.

It seems to me as a strange form of bullying than a discussion.

Hahah, you must be joking mate, you are being way over sensitive.

It makes me think they've just read an Icke book and think they know reality.

Completely unrelated, explaining the same things over and over again to people who dont really want to learn is frustrating. Everyone likes to think they know their shit, but this subject requires that we accept we know nothing and probably never will in this life. The problem arises when someone comes on here with the attitude "hey thats bullshit" and precedes to try and make out that the things thousands of people have only just learned and are beginning to comprehend are laughable.
You can think what you want about people turning into know it alls after reading one book and such, and you may be right. But that is totally unrelated to this point.

Anyway, hope you all had a good new year, however much your pathetic arguments annoy me.

Its a web forum mate, dont take it too seriously.

[Ian2day]

ALL of hip-hop is the issue. The mainstream is obviously run by the elite, used as a propaganda tool to incite certain actions amongst it's listeners - namely womanizing, portrayal of extreme masculinity (even amongst females), criminal behaviour and the use of drugs as they were unintended to name but a few. Those 'conscious' artists have no idea when it comes to politics while the ones that are more clued on are proliferating the divide and conquer tactics much further by advocating totalitarian Islam or extreme afrocentrism.

Needless to say the elite are not stupid. While there are certain sections of society who will be influenced by the mainstream junk, hip-hop has always been an underground phenomena and if the elite have not infiltrated the underground I'd be extremely surprised - especially regarding the presence of the hip-hop police and the tactics employed by 'snitch' rappers who use coded names to tell the authorities (in their songs) what is going on in their hoods.

I don't know if you have read any of my posts on Rap. Most of it is ghost scripted and exploited to create conflict and consumeristic desires in its listeners. Most beefs are staged with a few fools who start to believe their own hype taking it on to a real level. Driven no doubt by the mindless drivel which is claimed to be journalism. Its not just the mainstream involved in all of this.

Believe me loads of underground rappers have used ghost written lyrics. A lot of the battles and Rappers from not just the New York scene were totally scripted. Hip Hop has been exploited by corporations. They took rhythm and poetry written by and stolen from one person and repackaged it to appeal to a mass market of teenagers and young adults.

[rr_x]

I don't know if you have read any of my posts on Rap. Most of it is ghost scripted and exploited to create conflict and consumeristic desires in its listeners. Most beefs are staged with a few fools who start to believe their own hype taking it on to a real level. Driven no doubt by the mindless drivel which is claimed to be journalism. Its not just the mainstream involved in all of this.

Believe me loads of underground rappers have used ghost written lyrics. A lot of the battles and Rappers from not just the New York scene were totally scripted. Hip Hop has been exploited by corporations. They took rhythm and poetry written by and stolen from one person and repackaged it to appeal to a mass market of teenagers and young adults.

I agree totally. My post was aimed at those who feel the underground hip-hop scene is free from this kind of influence. Ghost writing and ghost producing are common practices, I've even seen people try and sell punchlines.

Also the musics' extreme lack of creativity is a wolf in sheeps clothing. For example the monotone drum patterns and lack of song complexity/structure produces a subliminal relaxing effect on the listener as they don't have to concentrate on the music. This in turn makes the messages in the song easier to implant within the listener. Its so effective that hip-hop doesn't need to utilise hidden messages - the constant threats of violence and silly ghetto masculine ethics are more than enough to create a bunch of mind controlled idiots through this medium.

[chocousbro77]

well i been listening to hip hop all my life and i really notice a change and the neg influence it has produced for our younga bros and sistas....there is a spiritual battle going on in the hip hop industry where evilness is at its peak and eventually there is going to be a downfall for the darkside....the positive/light side of hip hop is slowly back on the rise and alot of positive artists are releasing their hits either underground or by having their own labels....i know when i was in my mid to late teens i got caught up in the east coast west coast bullshit....i was not informed much then and got caught up in the negative aspects that was getting glamorized by the mainstream media but as i got olda i realized how stupid and ignorant it was and how i felt gullible to it....now im more informed and empowered enough not to fall into negativeness anymore in my life...alot of positive influenced hip hop artists are not getting recognized enough in the mainstream hip hop industry b/c the illuminati wants to keep the negative energy flowing by using materialism, degrading of women,etc to keep control of the uninformed masses...eventually its going to blow back in their damn faces...lol


I dont understand what you just typed. What are you trying to say?

[Ian2day]

I think that a lot of it is just lazyness and greed on the part of those who own the Majors. Hence the response to it all, in the contrived Hip Hop is dead and Hip Hop lives beef. It was an attempt by a ghost writer to get people riled up enough to get creative in the Hip Hop scene again.

People would be suprised by it all to be honest. If they knew that a lot of the promotion of it all is just about money. I know this won't be believed but the message is not really taken into account as long as it sells is the attitude of those peddling it.

So, so many of the Rap idols are acting. The trouble comes when the youth attempt to emulate these walking talking fictional charactitures. If they were viewed in the context they were created in, instead of being seen as 'keeping it real'. Then a lot of the attitude now being displayed by young people who have been conditioned to believe that their heroes are really living like the lyrics. Would not be taking place.

All of the shootings and knifing and other terriable things which have happened as a consequence. Are on the hands of those who have stolen fiction and misrepresented the message as fact. It really pains me to see so much conflict and other problems. Which have been created by the promotion of fictional characters as factual 'Heroes' to the youth and other impressionable people.

If I had the power then a lot of it would not be in the public domain at all. It it was used it would be out there in the book it was being written for. However how does a mugging victim prevent their money being spent as the thief wishes.

[angel wings]

I think that a lot of it is just lazyness and greed on the part of those who own the Majors. Hence the response to it all, in the contrived Hip Hop is dead and Hip Hop lives beef. It was an attempt by a ghost writer to get people riled up enough to get creative in the Hip Hop scene again.

People would be suprised by it all to be honest. If they knew that a lot of the promotion of it all is just about money. I know this won't be believed but the message is not really taken into account as long as it sells is the attitude of those peddling it.

So, so many of the Rap idols are acting. The trouble comes when the youth attempt to emulate these walking talking fictional charactitures. If they were viewed in the context they were created in, instead of being seen as 'keeping it real'. Then a lot of the attitude now being displayed by young people who have been conditioned to believe that their heroes are really living like the lyrics. Would not be taking place.

All of the shootings and knifing and other terriable things which have happened as a consequence. Are on the hands of those who have stolen fiction and misrepresented the message as fact. It really pains me to see so much conflict and other problems. Which have been created by the promotion of fictional characters as factual 'Heroes' to the youth and other impressionable people.

If I had the power then a lot of it would not be in the public domain at all. It it was used it would be out there in the book it was being written for. However how does a mugging victim prevent their money being spent as the thief wishes.


Good post.

[Ian2day]

I actually got the idea off of another Rapper of the early 1990's who was known for making a diamond shape to his audience at his live shows. At the time I wasn't really that in the know about conspiracy's. I really only knew about some of the symbolism and I just added the eye looking through the gap to make conspiracy nutters freak out. Little realising at the time, that some years later I too, would one day be classed, as a conspiracy nutter by some. It really is, that simple an explanation.


Its not a diamond, its a triangle representing the pyramid and Eye of Providence in the all-seeing-eye symbol.

The natural curves on human thumbs make it impossible to form a perfect triangle, BUT... If you are still doubting what Jay-Z is attempting to portray here is is a reminder of Jay-Z using his own eye to make a representation of the symbol...

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9359/jayzlm4.jpg

THEN COMPARE TO THE ALL SEEING EYE SYMBOL AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT JAY-Z, KANYE WEST, BEYONCE AND OTHERS ARE PORTRAYING...

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7420/521pxusgreatsealreversest0.png

Where the top of the pyramid should be, the Eye of Providence watches over it. Two mottos appear: Annuit Cœptis signifies that the Eye of Providence has "approved of (our) undertakings." Novus Ordo Seclorum, freely taken from Virgil, translates to "a new order of the ages" or "new world order"

OK so now if your thinking whats this got to do with freemasons check out the following links and see for yourself..

The Eye of Providence also appears as part of the iconography of the Freemasons - Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence)

ALL-SEEING EYE. An important symbol of the Supreme Being, borrowed by the Freemasons from the nations of antiquity - www.freemasonry.bcy.ca (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/eye.html)

All Seeing Eye - An emblem found in every well-furnished lodge - www.masonicdictionary.com (http://www.masonicdictionary.com/allseeing.html)
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[meksar]

The Zionists control MTV and the major record labels etc so of course they choose and manipulate whoever they want to give fame and fortune to, its simply the masonic rituals of homosexual orgies they make these "gangster" rappers completely controlled by these agents of chaos.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gQziOOhD79c&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwF6jixC73o&feature=related

[meksar]

I think its obvious to see how the elite are using all forms of entertainment to program the masonic world religion.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q8crXkZe18k&feature=related

[angel wings]

Mc Lyte

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d75/maestrorapsktvhs/Mc_Lyte_-_Bad_As_I_Wanna_B-front.jpg

[noobcybot]

Does anyone think that Lisa left eye Lopez was connected to the agenda....

http://www.martinipink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lisa-lopes.jpg

The left eye in darkness being an illuminati sub?

When she did she had apperently become interested with numerology and if you see the people she was connected to in music such as Jay Z and the others who have already been know to flash the sign then I see her in a new light. It was anothecar crash that just occoured out of nowhere.

[meksar]

She was being used by the Zionists as a whore of Babylon like the rest of these female celebs, the song "no scrubs" inspired a new generation of dirty Diana's.

[druggalo]

pac knew they was gunna killem ,he seen it all happen while smokin sherm . he prolly got set up by his boy suge knight cause pac cought all them bullets and shugh didnt even get hit. he didnt skirt when they rolled up next to em till they was done firen

[ownoiz]

From 2pacs own mouth...tupac and the east cost crew were not enemys at this time, the FIRST time tupac got sprayed with bullets while in a recording studio, he avoided severe damage to vital organs (a fluke) .

Sean combs was in the same building...when 2pac struggled to get help, bleeding, he alleged that Combs knew about the hit and was shocked to see tupac still alive.

Hence the east coast west coast shit began. I saw a video of tupac and man he didnt hold back, House of Blues i think it was 1996.

Remember 2pac would diss the illuminati...Diddy never went near that shit...his songs were all covers with redone words...hater this, shorty that, mami can i be your papi chulo etc, fluff ...while tupac would touch the taboo subjects.

I think Sean Puffy puff diddy daddy bad boy combs or whatever his name is today is illuminati and he makes staggering amounts of money from his clothing label alone, and no one has touched him.

Tupac with his killuminati and Black Panther connections and heavy topics was a threat...because he had influence over audiences.

The second time when Tupac was shot...yes suge didnt get a scratch while tupac in the seat next to him was sprayed...and suge was suspiciously driving his new BMW 7 with no license plates, allegedly so it could be picked out by the shooter as there wouldve been many 7s in LA.
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[ownoiz]

Does anyone think that Lisa left eye Lopez was connected to the agenda....

http://www.martinipink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lisa-lopes.jpg

The left eye in darkness being an illuminati sub?

When she did she had apperently become interested with numerology and if you see the people she was connected to in music such as Jay Z and the others who have already been know to flash the sign then I see her in a new light. It was anothecar crash that just occoured out of nowhere.

Dont go chasing waterfalls, sounds like illuminati programming to me..

Dont go for too much...stay in your rut and dont dissent, dont sell drugs or be promiscuous...tell that to the Rockerfellers/Rothschilds of this world.
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[dawnismygoddess]

Here is some Jay-Z symbolism.


Jay-Z (b. 1969 - ):
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/jayz.jpg
^ His trademark and obvious "eye in the pyramid" hand sign.



Current page on his Rocawear (http://www.rocawear.com/landingpages/men.php) online clothing store:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Jay-Zpage.jpg


Close-up of his trademark hand sign:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Jay-Zhands.jpg


But wait! What is that in the background? Two more dudes doing the same thing:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Jay-Zotherguyscloseup_edited-1.jpg


..which makes this - complete with his hands making up the capstone:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Jay-Zpyramid.jpg




Some examples of his Rocawear clothing line....


"Masters of the Craft"? Who is he putting on?:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/rocawearsymbolism04ac7.jpg


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/rocawearsymbolism01lp7.jpg


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/rocawearsymbolism02ja1.jpg


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Rocawearbeanie.jpg

[angel wings]

Does anyone think that Lisa left eye Lopez was connected to the agenda....

http://www.martinipink.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lisa-lopes.jpg

The left eye in darkness being an illuminati sub?

When she did she had apperently become interested with numerology and if you see the people she was connected to in music such as Jay Z and the others who have already been know to flash the sign then I see her in a new light. It was anothecar crash that just occoured out of nowhere.

I think there is something behind left eye too, my suspicions grew even more after watching "The Last Days of Lisa Left Eye Lopez" its a VH1 Rockumentary where Lisa went away to a spiritual retreat, run by Dr Sebi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OUDAw2R5Pk

When you hear her talk its clear that she was trying to clear herself from something. I believe she knew she had sinned somehow and was trying to pureify herself. What's also very strange is she predicted her own death and believed a spirit was chasing her. A few days before her death a little boy died also named Lopez she believed he was taken my mistake.

Here's a snippet of the actual crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9Coz_gQ4o&feature=related

It looks like Viacom have removed the main links for this video.

P.S I also there there is more behind the Aaliyah death too.

[meksar]

Aaliyah played the Queen of the Damned and died shortly after, this is the Evilarchy chewing up these naive celebs and spitting them out when needed.

[angel wings]

Aaliyah played the Queen of the Damned and died shortly after, this is the Evilarchy chewing up these naive celebs and spitting them out when needed.

Very true. I haven't seen the film but apparently it is full of symbolism.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/queen_int2.JPG

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/020829/172221__queen_l.jpg

http://emergency.room.ne.jp/07_MOV/QUEEN_of_the_DAMNED/QUEEN%20of%20the%20DAMNED%2001.jpg

[soulja]

great post dawn, well spotted that hidden triangle!

never seen those obvious masonic inspired designs btw.

[noobcybot]

Looks like we are readlly making some headway on this stuff guys.

[druggalo]

yeah i never liked puffy he was some weak mainstream shyt brainwashin
not real getto gangsta thug lyfe like pac or big
nas had talent but gets much disrespect for being puffz boy


jay z did some shyt early that appearntly is considered classic hip hop
but heza tottal sell out whack mahfukah now

[tootrue]

How about this?:



Ahuh Ahuh (Good girl gone bad) - evil posession
Ahuh Ahuh (Take three... Action) - the Trinity

No clouds in my stones - stones = masonry
Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank = weather control & chemtrails

Come'n down with the Dow Jones = Recession
...
We Rocafella - Rockerfeller

You know me = Satanic
An anticipation for precipitation, stacks chips for the rainy day = weather control

Jay, rain man is back with lil Ms. Sunshine = Goddess & sun symbolism


Rhianna

When the sun shine - sun symbolism

Told you i'll be here forever - illuminaty symbolism
Said I'll always be your friend - masonic symbolism
Took an oath I'ma stick it out till the end - masonic
------------------------------------------------------

Also - Rihanna's other video - 'Good girl, gone bad?'!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu4oLuReFaw

[bassboost]

Stix from Dead Prez has an "illuminati pyramid" tattoo on his arm. check out this video: Dead Prez - The Root of All Evil (0:40)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ZpYFUZAdI

[keenly]

This thread is bollocks

jay z is a guy from the marcy projects.

He has no connections to freemasonary, maltese knights, jesuits or zionists

[keenly]

I will stand up and defend HIP-HOP because I am HIP-HOP!!!
It's funny to read some of the post in this thread! Some ppl just have no idea what they are yapping about! You got to understand that is only been RAP that has been exploited. Hip Hop still has other elements that are still pure and untouched! Another thing is that not all rap has been tarnished by the Corperate market(The main outside influence). Hip-Hop has always been in a battle with society since day one and has been exposing the illuminati and it's ways in the realist way possible!
I Love HIP-HOP!!! It's more then just music! It's a lifestyle!!!
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/Wrekon/hip-hop-4-elements-big.jpg

Here's one of my favorites...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUWGhnqBxM



Bis is a LYRICAL GENIUS.

[meksar]

This thread is bollocks

jay z is a guy from the marcy projects.

He has no connections to freemasonary, maltese knights, jesuits or zionists

I can very confidently say that "Jigga" or "Hova" is deeply involved in the occult along with his "wife" Beyonce who is a bride of Satan.They are being controlled by demonic forces known as the Zionist's who have to push all this occult symbolism and ideologies to the masses.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=1619symphony&view=videos

[tootrue]

This thread is bollocks

jay z is a guy from the marcy projects.

He has no connections to freemasonary, maltese knights, jesuits or zionists

He ain't a great rapper either
Are you now gonna start telling me that so many people buy his records?
Maybe so, but I wonder what's behind all the Jay Z publicity

You name another rapper, and the chances are he/she is better than Jay Z...

[bassboost]

watch this video Lords of the Underground - HERE COME THE LORD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bRoJGlNxk

1:55 mr funke is wearing a masonic ring

2:05 man in white shirt with big square, compass and a letter "G"

2:42 look at the handsign...

3:20 "horned hand"

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpvsWr0sYms&feature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjps7jY80fc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxq5A1rZzCE&feature=related

[aboott]

lightindarkness keeps making ridiculous statements ,the freemasons will tell you that they tell regular people what they want to hear and do not give up real agenda, and then you have nerve to say there is only three degrees, either u r a disinformation agent or you are just nobody in masonry and have no idea what the deal is.

[angel wings]

watch this video Lords of the Underground - HERE COME THE LORD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bRoJGlNxk

1:55 mr funke is wearing a masonic ring

2:05 man in white shirt with big square, compass and a letter "G"

2:42 look at the handsign...

3:20 "horned hand"

Well spotted and welcome to the forums! :)

[angel wings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-EDoR4Bdw

Watch this clip from 5:55

It's shocking how this story has been covered up by the press. It looks like young boy sex rituals are also rife in the Hip-Hip circles:mad:

[angel wings]

Ok they are more RnB than hip hop but the two genres go hand in hand these days so I'll keep this posted here.

http://www.songwords.net/waiguo/rnb/imx/wegotit.jpg

WTF??

http://brownsugarpages.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/imx.jpg

This looks like teen's being made to do gay porn, this image makes me feel uncomfortable. Something seems very wrong here.

[keenly]

i can very confidently say that "jigga" or "hova" is deeply involved in the occult along with his "wife" beyonce who is a bride of satan.they are being controlled by demonic forces known as the zionist's who have to push all this occult symbolism and ideologies to the masses.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=1619symphony&view=videos

nonsense

[wisdomgirl]

What I'm discovering is that a lot of people here are Masons themselves and provide nothing to the forum other than defending Masonry and trying to undermine any criticism of Masonry that they may see. My advice is not to waste too much time on them. The Freemasons influence on Hip-Hop is as plain as day.

I agree, of course there going to defend their club or whatever the hell it is, but it's just so funny how they defend it i laugh at some of the posts while browsing the forum. Either there deluded or there just plain evil. The signs in not just hip hop videos but also in other pop videos is no coincidence it's far too blatant for that. A lot of them agree with the agenda, the ones who are higher up to know what that agenda is of course, and yet they still protest there innocents that they are not a shadowy group of people. The stupid ones who know jack shit about whats going on in there silly little club are the ones i feel sorry for, ignorant to the fact there just bodies who will never get to the top end.

If theres nothing wrong with it they shouldn't have to defend it at every opportunity like they do. The writer and author of watchmen is an admitted mason and that film is clearly illuminati so trying to defend something millions of people already know about is stupid and desperate! Jay Z clearly makes the sign of a pyramid it's not a fucking diamond like he says it is, the whole lot of them are a disgrace and will have egg on there faces when this whole agenda reaches the masses, people will realize whats going on as stupid as some people are they will get it. Masons are one of the parasites in this world and i for one will state this fact time and time again.

[Ian2day]

I agree, of course there going to defend their club or whatever the hell it is, but it's just so funny how they defend it i laugh at some of the posts while browsing the forum. Either there deluded or there just plain evil. The signs in not just hip hop videos but also in other pop videos is no coincidence it's far too blatant for that. A lot of them agree with the agenda, the ones who are higher up to know what that agenda is of course, and yet they still protest there innocents that they are not a shadowy group of people. The stupid ones who know jack shit about whats going on in there silly little club are the ones i feel sorry for, ignorant to the fact there just bodies who will never get to the top end.

If theres nothing wrong with it they shouldn't have to defend it at every opportunity like they do. The writer and author of watchmen is an admitted mason and that film is clearly illuminati so trying to defend something millions of people already know about is stupid and desperate! Jay Z clearly makes the sign of a pyramid it's not a fucking diamond like he says it is, the whole lot of them are a disgrace and will have egg on there faces when this whole agenda reaches the masses, people will realize whats going on as stupid as some people are they will get it. Masons are one of the parasites in this world and i for one will state this fact time and time again.

It is a diamond. That don't mean that it isn't also a pyramid that he is making. These people are using symbolism to sell product to the masses. It is about consumerism and the creation of Brands. These Rappers are characters for a book I was writing back in 1995-6. They are contrived brands created to exploit a thirst for the mysterious and unknown. Or the angry socio-political humanistic aware market. You can include 2pac, Biggie Smalls, 50 cent, G-Unit, Jay-Z, Eminem, D12, Immortal-Technique etc. Hell even the start of the Eminem book was written by me. Does anyone really think that he lived in a fucking trailer and had a stash of family silver that got stolen? Or that the guy from rolling stone really paid a dealer for some ecstasy? I added ecstacy as the drug as it was really big in the Uk media at the time due to Leah Betts od-ing on it. Read Eminems book and see it is fiction presented as fact. I dare say that some of 2pacs book is mine also from what someone has said to me about its contents. People need to wake the fuck up and see that it is about money. It is a marketing exercise pure and simple. The conspiracy is about ripping everyone off. These fuckers will lie, steal and cheat to get rich or have you die trying.

[ytch]

I agree, of course there going to defend their club or whatever the hell it is, but it's just so funny how they defend it i laugh at some of the posts while browsing the forum. Either there deluded or there just plain evil. The signs in not just hip hop videos but also in other pop videos is no coincidence it's far too blatant for that. A lot of them agree with the agenda, the ones who are higher up to know what that agenda is of course, and yet they still protest there innocents that they are not a shadowy group of people. The stupid ones who know jack shit about whats going on in there silly little club are the ones i feel sorry for, ignorant to the fact there just bodies who will never get to the top end.

If theres nothing wrong with it they shouldn't have to defend it at every opportunity like they do. The writer and author of watchmen is an admitted mason and that film is clearly illuminati so trying to defend something millions of people already know about is stupid and desperate! Jay Z clearly makes the sign of a pyramid it's not a fucking diamond like he says it is, the whole lot of them are a disgrace and will have egg on there faces when this whole agenda reaches the masses, people will realize whats going on as stupid as some people are they will get it. Masons are one of the parasites in this world and i for one will state this fact time and time again.

Yeah, the way and intellectual level they defend their "club" is funny indeed.
Well, those pawns might realise that their masters didn´t tell them the whole truth after all, but as long as they shake each others balls and think they are initiated and somewhere high up the hirachy, they might go on with their blind attempts to save their little "reality".

All this could mean two things:

1. those poor masons need to get a life, howelse could they have time and energy to flood this forum with obvious disinfo and provocations, just to bring people down to their own ego- level. (a man can´t be insulted, a soul can´t, love can´t, only EGO reacts to such low level horsecrap)

and/ or

2. tadaaa! It seems the NWO is losing it! They´re not prepared for the thinking/ feeling people, isn´t that the reason why they tried to make us sheeple in the first place?
But now more and more sheeple are waking up, slowly, step by step, level by level, wondering about why the hell they have fangs in their mouth...
and understanding that they are no sheep at all.

So watch out, my little domestic masonic sheepdogs, who think they are able to control us to get some petting from their owners,

guess what: WE are the wolf in sheep clothing, and we are going to tell ,
na na na na naaanaa,
and 1000 sheeps will turn to 1000 wolves
and we´ll bite back, if we are forced to.
ever had trouble with a wolfspack?
Have fun!

And now I´m going to use my integrated "ignore those masonic trolls"- function, which hurts their little egos most,
so don´t bother trying to insult me (nor my intelligence, please).
I´ll say my little prayer for you...

We are not going to win this battle, we already have,
we just need to remember...

:)Love and laughter;),
healing for all

and keep on ytching the back of the beast

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5-t6gc6Ivc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-EI-PNftw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfwsbPG6-E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpvsWr0sYms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSd4YiMwx6k&feature=related

[lightgiver]

Its everywhere.:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU53MpxaT2g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJspAZmSk-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5kTN47Fmhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93P0voQgd5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtawiswtFe8

It appears they have sold their souls.Dont sell yours,Instead Chant down the Babylon,

with pure music:)

"Hear the words of the Rastaman say:
"Babylon, you throne gone down, gone down;
Babylon, you throne gone down..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ceRnWPsevk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_IUBMSUkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YELXw5ABpcs

Come we go burn down babylon one more time
(come we go burn down babylon one more time);
Come we go chant down babylon one more time
(come we go chant down babylon);
For them soft! yes, them soft! (ah-yoy!)
Them soft! yes, them soft! (ah-yoy!)
So come we go chant down babylon one more time
(come we go chant down babylon)!

Men see their dreams and aspiration-a
Crumble in front of their face,
And all of their wicked intention
To destroy the human race.

And how I know - and how I know - and thats how I know:
A reggae music, mek we chant down babylon;
With music, mek we chant down babylon;
This music, mek we chant down babylon;
This music, come we chant down babylon.

Come we go chant down babylon one more time
(come we go chant down babylon one more time);
Come we go chant down babylon one more time
(come we go chant down babylon);
For them soft! yes, them soft! (ah-yoy!)
Them soft! me say, them soft! (ah-yoy!)
So come we go chant down babylon one more time
(come we go chant down babylon)!

Me say, music youre - music youre the key,
Talk to who? please talk to me,
Bring the voice of - of the rastaman,
Communicating to - cating to everyone.

How I (know) - how I know, how I (know) - how I know -
And thats how I know:
A reggae music, chant down - chant down - chant down babylon,
Chant down babylon, chant down babylon,
Chant down babylon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwd0d3W8eiw

[sirlozo]

Like many i believe 2pac was whacked by the Illuminati like many other famous people who were no longer useful to the agenda or began to expose it and because of their fame it would have a massive effect. If you look at Hip Hop it has replaced Rock and Roll as the mainstream music cult as it has got more commercial and universal, i personally think that Jay-Z is the most blatant masonic artist/mogul.



yes. Jay-Z is the most obvious and probably the only one in my book, unless others under his label..

Jay-Z - D'Evils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnyBp4FzzI

listen to it^^

[dawnismygoddess]

Three six's = 666


Three 6 Mafia:
http://three6mafia.org/wallpapers/three-6-mafia-07.jpg

http://www.mixmatters.com/hot/2008/images/Three_6_Mafia-Last_2_Walk.jpg

http://www.plong.com/MusicCatalog/T/Three%206%20Mafia%20-%20Most%20Known%20Unknown/Three%206%20Mafia%20-%20Most%20Known%20Unknown.jpg

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5-t6gc6Ivc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-EI-PNftw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfwsbPG6-E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpvsWr0sYms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSd4YiMwx6k&feature=related

[bassboost]

http://vimeo.com/15337353

at 0*36 armand van helden is wearing a masonic hat

[meksar]

yes. Jay-Z is the most obvious and probably the only one in my book, unless others under his label..

Jay-Z - D'Evils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnyBp4FzzI

listen to it^^

Jay Z, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, T.I etc etc all took a masonic oath and sold out this video i will upload exposes a bit about their career, no offence to homosexuals.

The Comforter Tazadaqyah Is a Homosexual ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXFvD5vo_hM&feature=related

[christ4life]

The masonic trolls are meaningless infiltrators whose common goal to whitewash any clear masonic agendas unfolding in front of our eyes.

Agreed how can you trust someone who can't speak the truth because of some oath they have taken. What do they have to hide? Bring up something about freemasonry with evidence, and watch them become silent they can't talk to you.

[elysiansix]

Hip Hop appeals to the masses so of course the hidden elements of society will need to have control of it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtjRxKLosg

HIP HOP is of course controlled by the above Zionists-Masonic-Illuminati cabal: the words HIP HOP deconstruct as: Hi + P and Ho + P.
'Hi' is the ancient symbolic form of the MALE gender and 'Ho' is the same for the FEMALE gender.

You can tell who's a member of the above Illuminati, so pushing their agenda by the words they use: anyone who aligns him/herself to HIP HOP is one of them, e.g. Jay Z, Phil Collins, Eminem, David Beckham.

Just as their are masses of other clues in their subliminal speak/appearance that tells any onlooker (handshakes aside) that they're part of the Forward Agenda and promoting the Zionist cause.

[kobe christ]

Eminem is not Illuminati because he is schizo. He's too unpredictable and they don't like this.

[eristhrottle]

HIP HOP is of course controlled by the above Zionists-Masonic-Illuminati cabal: the words HIP HOP deconstruct as: Hi + P and Ho + P.
'Hi' is the ancient symbolic form of the MALE gender and 'Ho' is the same for the FEMALE gender.

You can tell who's a member of the above Illuminati, so pushing their agenda by the words they use: anyone who aligns him/herself to HIP HOP is one of them, e.g. Jay Z, Phil Collins, Eminem, David Beckham.

Just as their are masses of other clues in their subliminal speak/appearance that tells any onlooker (handshakes aside) that they're part of the Forward Agenda and promoting the Zionist cause.

I'd have to dispute your interpretation of the Illuminati usage of hip-hop.

It's a toad reference; they have a thing for animal and reptiles symbolic magic.

Also, as an aside, but in case no one else mentioned it:

There are currently at least 6 major rap artists working in concert with Freemasons (not Illuminati; big difference). All 6 - Jay Z, Nas, Rihanna, Kanye, Lil' Wayne and Eminem are orking in concert. Th messages are coordinated.

Anyone who realizes the true symbolism of both groups should realize nefarious Illuminati rappers do not disavow the term "hip-hop", while constantly referencing the riddle of the squared circle. The intent is to fool the Illuminati.

Listen to "Run This Town" (Jay Z, Rihanna, Kanye), "Power" (Kanye), "Drop The World (Eminem, Wayne) or "I Am Not A Human Being" (Wayne) and pay close attention to the colors, symbols and action.

No violence, no terror, no weapons and a constant reference to harnessing the will ( part of the answer to the squared circle riddle), manipulation of time and more subtle references to the return of a messianic figure representing the epitome of the male and female principles (that is why some Scottsmen adopted kilts, I think).

It will be an interesting 14 months, no doubt.


Something really big is happening. Go to Youtube or Vevo and check those songs out. Also notice: No weapons, no raps about materiel things, no gold...it's not Illuminati. It's the "Light" side of Freemasonry.

[elysiansix]

I'd have to dispute your interpretation of the Illuminati usage of hip-hop.

It's a toad reference; they have a thing for animal and reptiles symbolic magic.

Also, as an aside, but in case no one else mentioned it:

There are currently at least 6 major rap artists working in concert with Freemasons (not Illuminati; big difference). All 6 - Jay Z, Nas, Rihanna, Kanye, Lil' Wayne and Eminem are orking in concert. Th messages are coordinated.

Anyone who realizes the true symbolism of both groups should realize nefarious Illuminati rappers do not disavow the term "hip-hop", while constantly referencing the riddle of the squared circle. The intent is to fool the Illuminati.

Listen to "Run This Town" (Jay Z, Rihanna, Kanye), "Power" (Kanye), "Drop The World (Eminem, Wayne) or "I Am Not A Human Being" (Wayne) and pay close attention to the colors, symbols and action.

No violence, no terror, no weapons and a constant reference to harnessing the will ( part of the answer to the squared circle riddle), manipulation of time and more subtle references to the return of a messianic figure representing the epitome of the male and female principles (that is why some Scottsmen adopted kilts, I think).

It will be an interesting 14 months, no doubt.


Something really big is happening. Go to Youtube or Vevo and check those songs out. Also notice: No weapons, no raps about materiel things, no gold...it's not Illuminati. It's the "Light" side of Freemasonry.


Uh-huh - so let me get this right........ frogs go 'hop, hop', then 'hip hip', is that the way it works??

Gimme a break bro!! HIP HOP is Illuminati cos Hi and Ho mean male/female.
And I think you'll find that the Freemasons are simply a lower level of the Illuminati, like a bit more ignorant - no disrespect to Brother Phil or any of the other Bros in music............

Same as wot the Catolics are to the Illuminati - different spokes of the same wheel.
It's all about promoting the Zionist-Illuminati-Freemasons cabal (plus all their other names) as being superior in every way to everyone who's not one of them or not Jewish. And in the middle of it all you have their hidden Messiah who everyone has to worship cos he's got such an inferiority complex (pretending to be Jesus Christ ain't easy ya' know!!)

And I think Scotland's in their for another reason - not kilts.

[agrinemenon]

Jayz said in a newer song im not illuminati im godbody.
refering to NGE which has 120 degrees. Jayz is fake NGE
NGE is not Luciferian.
Jayz pass the grey poupon camel looking ass may be.
Listen to what beanie sieg his old friend had to say in one of his freestyles dissing jayz. He says something like "you better watch who you be worshiping"
I belive refering to all the satanism stuff people have been throwing at him.
where theres smoke could be fire.

[eristhrottle]

Uh-huh - so let me get this right........ frogs go 'hop, hop', then 'hip hip', is that the way it works??

Gimme a break bro!! HIP HOP is Illuminati cos Hi and Ho mean male/female.
And I think you'll find that the Freemasons are simply a lower level of the Illuminati, like a bit more ignorant - no disrespect to Brother Phil or any of the other Bros in music............

Same as wot the Catolics are to the Illuminati - different spokes of the same wheel.
It's all about promoting the Zionist-Illuminati-Freemasons cabal (plus all their other names) as being superior in every way to everyone who's not one of them or not Jewish. And in the middle of it all you have their hidden Messiah who everyone has to worship cos he's got such an inferiority complex (pretending to be Jesus Christ ain't easy ya' know!!)

And I think Scotland's in their for another reason - not kilts.

The dualism you are referring to exists in Freemasonry as well. For simplicity's sake, let's say that Illuminati is the Dark side and masons following a "maker's" plan are the Light side.

Illuminati specifically try to wreck balance. They diminish lunar symbols (feminine, negative) and corrupt and falsely add weight and meaning to Solar symbols. Swastika (sun)? Lunatic? Werewolves at Full Moon? The Virgin Mary?

Do you get it?

This attack on balance includes an attack on Man and his Animal nature.

As I am contending, based on a lot of plainly visible and audible evidence, that the cited artists are rejecting the label of "hip-hop" while representing Light Free-masonry, then it is illogical to contend that the name was given based on a balance of the male and female.

The label of hip-hop is what I said it was: A symbolic link to toads and frogs.

Same goes for the kilt and the name change the "reverend " Sun Hyung Moon gave himself before announcing he was the second messiah.

Also, as an aside: Math is not the universal language, symbols are. Thelemic numerology and "magic" is weak and intentionally corrupted by Crowley.

[elysiansix]

The dualism you are referring to exists in Freemasonry as well. For simplicity's sake, let's say that Illuminati is the Dark side and masons following a "maker's" plan are the Light side.

Illuminati specifically try to wreck balance. They diminish lunar symbols (feminine, negative) and corrupt and falsely add weight and meaning to Solar symbols. Swastika (sun)? Lunatic? Werewolves at Full Moon? The Virgin Mary?

Do you get it?

This attack on balance includes an attack on Man and his Animal nature.

As I am contending, based on a lot of plainly visible and audible evidence, that the cited artists are rejecting the label of "hip-hop" while representing Light Free-masonry, then it is illogical to contend that the name was given based on a balance of the male and female.

The label of hip-hop is what I said it was: A symbolic link to toads and frogs.

Same goes for the kilt and the name change the "reverend " Sun Hyung Moon gave himself before announcing he was the second messiah.

Also, as an aside: Math is not the universal language, symbols are. Thelemic numerology and "magic" is weak and intentionally corrupted by Crowley.

Well I ain't gonna start splitting hairs/heirs/airs or themes this far along my Super Intelligence career, squire. In the Illuminati triangle the Freemasons and other peripheral, lower level secret or civic or community adhesive and 'do-gooders' groups will always be just that: the lower levels of ONE all-seeing eye of the Wise-Men group aka Illuminati. There is NO division of good and evil freemasons: they all do what they're subliminally programmed to do; they pays their moneys and they gets their packaged 'wisdom' (and business deals) - all of which latently promotes the Zionist Messiah by educating the lower levels on so called spiritual dates and names or themes - actually the personal branding of this ridiculous, guitar playing singer-messiah who conscience is like a sewer*.

So all the lower down FMs/Rotarians attach these names, numbers, months, words and symbols to their businesses or personal life thinking they will bring luck or fortune when in actual fact all they do is promote the above Pied Piper and the Zionist-Illuminati race as being superior, ascended light beings here to save the vile masses !*%!£+!#! :D :D

Absolutely hilarious, frankly, cos the only reason they are SUPERIOR is because centuries ago they corrupted all governments and co-opted the supernal right to monopolise the creation of money - hence creating a vacuum into which all future generations would fall. D:D:D

BTW, your sign in name is interesting: Eris is, I believe the goddess of strife and discord - to quote:

"ERIS was the goddess or spirit (daimona) of strife, discord, contention and rivalry. She was often represented specifically as the daimon of the strife of war, who haunted the battlefield and delighted in human bloodshed. "

And the word 'throttle' would mean to power up I guess. So 'Eristhrottle' isn't exactly inspiring the belief that you speak ultimate Truth. Squire. :eek:

So I think I'll stick to my researched bottom line that Hi = Male and Ho = Female.
Toads and Frogs = irrelevant.

*River Weser, where one of his alter egos, the Pied Piper, comes from, incidentally.

[projectillogic]

they talk about masons all the time in hip hop now. jay-z is obviousley a mason, he admits it, and alot of the other ones are too.

then we have the wutang who are meth head muslem terrorists, and lil wayne is a gang banger coke head. what a great group of people. what they all have in common is everyone of them cheated to get their power, and are all promoting negativity that seems to fall into some supreme agenda.

[agrinemenon]

You guys are misinformed. Why would jay z want to be a mason? masons have 33 degrees. the NGE have 120 lessons or degrees. Jay-z and all other rappers have recieved THESE teachings and are open about it. look up the 5% belief and the nation of gods and earths. you guys are speculating without realising Jay has KNOWLEDGE of SELF. Doesnt mean hes a good man but he has all the illuminated info he needs without illuminati. This IS the REAL subject, BLACK FREEMASONRY.

Damn you know nothing about method man or hip hop. Wu-tang is very aware of the wisdom of the ancients. meth included. These guys are up on concepts you cannot grasp like sucess and fame in this world of make believe, Really look into wu-tang and you will see its not how you percieve. wu is considered INTELLECTUAL hip hop.

[pound]

Jay Z initially had ties with Malachi York's 'Nuwabianism' movement of the early 90's. He probably later on graduated to becoming a Prince hall mason. It's of no use splitting hairs though of what societies he may be an initiate of because in the end he's just another puppet who's been handed a script to work from. He is a slave of the bloodliners and he answers to their henchmen (the Bronfmans). That much isn't a theory, but total fact.

[agrinemenon]

lots of rappers were fucking with york. I dont deny Jay-z IS working with and has buisness arrangements with these people. Im pointing out the fact though that jay-z IS not going to fuck with the masons because there KNOWLEDGE aka degrees are 33 and a third NGE posseses 120 degrees A MORE complete knowledge base than normal freemasonry.
What im trying to tell you is that NGE looks down upon masonic level knowledge as having a third of the REAL knowledge. Im trying to tell you something real but you dont have a real understanding of this shit besides your own WHITEBOY worldview but black people have a different OVERSTANDING of MYSTICYSM. LOOK up the term ORIGINAL MAN the true and living heirs of the universe A.K.A the SOUL CONTROLLER. Im trying to tell you those organizations are pointless to join if you have this knowledge. Who wouldnt GO near that shit. He definatley could be a 10% bloodsucker of the poor you are considered 85% DUMB, DEAF and BLIND. Look This shit up and stop talking nonsense. JAY Z BELIVES BLACK MAN IS GOD!

[tatsu]

Hip Hop is poetry.

To only look at one aspect of anything, and that aspect being the mainstream, is foolish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiAe3NPYPTk

[pound]

lots of rappers were fucking with york. I dont deny Jay-z IS working with and has buisness arrangements with these people. Im pointing out the fact though that jay-z IS not going to fuck with the masons because there KNOWLEDGE aka degrees are 33 and a third NGE posseses 120 degrees A MORE complete knowledge base than normal freemasonry.
What im trying to tell you is that NGE looks down upon masonic level knowledge as having a third of the REAL knowledge. Im trying to tell you something real but you dont have a real understanding of this shit besides your own WHITEBOY worldview but black people have a different OVERSTANDING of MYSTICYSM. LOOK up the term ORIGINAL MAN the true and living heirs of the universe A.K.A the SOUL CONTROLLER. Im trying to tell you those organizations are pointless to join if you have this knowledge. Who wouldnt GO near that shit. He definatley could be a 10% bloodsucker of the poor you are considered 85% DUMB, DEAF and BLIND. Look This shit up and stop talking nonsense. JAY Z BELIVES BLACK MAN IS GOD!


Come again? Anything beyond the 33 degrees of Masonry is regarded as the upper echelons of the Illuminati power structure. This would include the high level degrees of the NGE. This isn't a black or white thing, as the Illuminati are a race within a race, a breed of there own that encompasses a full spectrum of racial backgrounds.

[agrinemenon]

Jigga man is fucking with the establishment. And he be all around white people and white money and he IS a grey poupon nigga. But niggas get rich even without Illuminati blood in they veins or white masonic lodge membership. Im just saying we dont need to include the whole "mason" thing for this guy to be a Bougie fucking asshole working with the people involved with the "mason" thing. You say there is no color to this thing but look up NGE ideologies bro. 120 lessons are NOT taught to WHITE MAN AKA devil
If Jayz (a GOD) works with white men (devils) for money and power thats one thing but he wouldnt be a mason because that is BELOW his STATUS.
DUH

[pound]

Jigga man is fucking with the establishment. And he be all around white people and white money and he IS a grey poupon nigga. But niggas get rich even without Illuminati blood in they veins or white masonic lodge membership. Im just saying we dont need to include the whole "mason" thing for this guy to be a Bougie fucking asshole working with the people involved with the "mason" thing. You say there is no color to this thing but look up NGE ideologies bro. 120 lessons are NOT taught to WHITE MAN AKA devil
If Jayz (a GOD) works with white men (devils) for money and power thats one thing but he wouldnt be a mason because that is BELOW his STATUS.
DUH

Your under the false impression that these 'people' (those up higher in the Illuminati network) are human. It's a very, very strong possibility that they are not. Again, they are a race within a race, and they disguise themselves behind all colors.

[agrinemenon]

I do believe they are extra dimensional. I DO NOT believe Jigga man is knowingly having meetings to discuss buisness about media garbage with inhumans. maybe hybrids but whats special about that? I do not belive a goddamn rap entertainer who used to freestyle with big L would have a connection with these beings directly because HES NOT THAT DAMN IMPORTANT. Your making this guy out to be higher up in this shit than he is he is a MEDIA HO for BIG BUCKS. I would GUESS only military or high gov officia;would have DIRECT dealings with these guys face to face, because thats whose most relavent. NOT RAP ENTERTAINERS!

[pound]

I do believe they are extra dimensional. I DO NOT believe Jigga man is knowingly having meetings to discuss buisness about media garbage with inhumans. maybe hybrids but whats special about that? I do not belive a goddamn rap entertainer who used to freestyle with big L would have a connection with these beings directly because HES NOT THAT DAMN IMPORTANT. Your making this guy out to be higher up in this shit than he is he is a MEDIA HO for BIG BUCKS. I would GUESS only military or high gov officia;would have DIRECT dealings with these guys face to face, because thats whose most relavent. NOT RAP ENTERTAINERS!

Your downplaying the fact that Jay Z (whether he likes it or not) holds incredible sway and influence amongst the sheep in the general populace. He works for those that believe whole heartedly in using entertainment as a means of social engineering. And what better way would there be than to hire a puppet in exchange for all the riches he wishes to shill for the agenda? It's a piece of cake. :)

The entertainment industry is one massive pysch-op and a CIA/Pentagon/Project Monarch operation. Fritz Springmeier outlined all of this quite brilliantly long ago. Just another strand in the Illuminati's web of control.

[agrinemenon]

what im saying is thats not unusual, thats the music biz as a WHOLE.

[projectillogic]

You guys are misinformed. Why would jay z want to be a mason? masons have 33 degrees. the NGE have 120 lessons or degrees. Jay-z and all other rappers have recieved THESE teachings and are open about it. look up the 5% belief and the nation of gods and earths. you guys are speculating without realising Jay has KNOWLEDGE of SELF. Doesnt mean hes a good man but he has all the illuminated info he needs without illuminati. This IS the REAL subject, BLACK FREEMASONRY.

Damn you know nothing about method man or hip hop. Wu-tang is very aware of the wisdom of the ancients. meth included. These guys are up on concepts you cannot grasp like sucess and fame in this world of make believe, Really look into wu-tang and you will see its not how you percieve. wu is considered INTELLECTUAL hip hop.

ive listened to them for years. they are the biggest meth heads in the game today, and are drug dealing muslim terrorists. i just got done reading rzas, the tao of wu, and wasn't very impressed.

[agrinemenon]

Wu-tang members all have different habits. Everyone knows ODB smoked crack nigga you got a problem with ODB? ODB sure had a better grasp on WISDOM then you think. His aspect was ASON UNIQUE. Method man did use meth maybe recreationally but I dot not belive he has fucked with that shit in YEARS. The brother HAS HIS SHIT TOGETHER. movies and hit cds you DIG One of the BEST rhymers. RZA admits he smokes dust Ghost had to stop USING because he was a diabetic. All the clan were dustheads but at some point with that shit you just stop or it LITERALLY drives you FUCKIN WACKO.
You Have a ultra square view of drugs. Makes me realise you must not know what its like growing up in the fucking hood man drugs are fucking everywhere FLOODING this bitch and EVERYONE is using drugs like this shit is the thing to do. You wanna start bringing up clean and sober rappers guy, getthefuckouttahere.

[agrinemenon]

Damn you got this shit so twisted its fucking absurd. Niggas ran guns and made money yes. These ARE HOOD NIGGAS yes. BIG SUPRISE.
Terrorists huh? I CALL THEM FREEDOM FIGHTERS FUCKO
suck a fed gov dick homie cause wu-tang aint on some fed gov shit,
you guys dont have a real street nigga perspective so you WILL NOT understand the LIVES of REAL STREET NIGGAS. WU- was not just a rap group. at one point it was a fucking GANG, niggas wher NOT KNOW FOR ROLLING DEEP FOR NOTHING. There is so much shit you would not Know unless you were connected to the streets of new york in the time WU was big
WU are not regular orthodox muslim
THEY ARE 5% GODBODY NGE THROUGH AND THROUGH
"DO THE KNOWLEDGE"

[projectillogic]

i have no respect for gangs, there are no gangs around here. methodman talks about doing meth all the time, rza even talks about it in his book. methodman is even coming out with a new cd called "the crystal meth".

meth destroys your life, i can tell you from personal experience. the bullshit that these types of gangs spread, the extortion they bring, and all that shit is the real problem with society, besides the illumaniti.

i fucking hate gangs and everything they represent, buttom line. and yes, wutang is a real terrorist "gehod/freedom fighter group" except they are all on meth which makes them very violent, if not on crack or something stupid like that.

everyone is doing it my ass, the majority of people dont do it and the reaason more and more people are doing it is because these gang/terrorists are glorifying its use, and the gang culture, and many lives are being ruined.

you claim everyone is a thug/gang member terrorist. not at all, and i dont wanna see that shit in my community. they are using the media to push it down our throats and im gonna fight back. bottom line.

[projectillogic]

whether drugs are philosophically right or wrong, people like the wutang have used it to raise huge amounts of money and suffering. people do drugs, and i dont hate every person that does it even though i think they are mislead. what i do hate are these fucking gangs.

[stopthemadness]

rap music has obviously been infiltrated by lesser beings, once they sang 'take the power back'. Sadly this is no longer the case.

now they sing 'fuck your bitch whilst wearing gold' (I paraphrased)




That's not necessarily true. Case in point:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKZkC8u3_c

[agrinemenon]

You overplay the meth thing WAAAAAAY too much. niggaz do not smoke that shit out of a pizzo (crack pipe) first of all they mix that shit with weed. and the reason niggas uses drugs is to expand they mind to make the flows come out crazy (METH ONLY PRE 96). wu-tang does NOT promote meth and IF YOU LISTENED to wutang you would realise they do not represent any of the shit you talking about. These are enlightened street brothers. Artistic and intellectual.
Wu tang openly is getting young black brothers to gain knowledge of self. They talk about the street and drugs because they are a part of there lives and the also speak much knowledge and wisdom. its compelling music.
wu tang music from its golden era is considered some of the most prolific rap ever and the current stuff is very eclectic and experimental but still inspired and creative. fans are very critical of the modern releases because of the quality realesed in that era but we CANNOT replicate that era. Have you listened to the GZA genius? You calling GZA a methhead? these guys dont even eat MEAT. Your mental image of wu-tang is skewed with reality boy!

[agrinemenon]

My dude gangs are fucking up the street no DOUBT. My friend will is deceased R.I.P. I watched his sould drift in real life. Anywayz I say That To say this. Niggaz envision that reality just like a samurai envisions death every day. everyone wants empowerment, some are like warriors in the streets with the courage in their hearts to fight battle's. they have meen misled and mis directed in how to escape enslavement. THE WORST GANG IS THE POLICE.
GANGS are killing because brothers seek freedom from enslavement some use some pretty drastic means. Its a survival thing that i think you have no fucking idea about.

[projectillogic]

you know, i find it funny that they dont eat meat because of the suffering it causes, yet promote gang violence and meth use which causes alot of suffering too. imagine all the toxic waste that gets thrown into forests and streams. all the fighting, lifes ruined, so that the drug dealer can make money.

i listened to all their shit, and at soundset 09 i even saw them play in concert. the bullshit that they preached disgusted me, talking about killing peoples girlfriends, leathal injection and shit.

when rza says he has an armored suburban up to military standards called the black tank, he's talking about a black armored truck that shoots spike strips on the road of burning ash....so i hear. and the bullet proof costume involves orange helmets.

they are the kind of trigger happy niggas that would kill you just for talking shit to them. i read his whole damn book, and wasn't impressed with the spiritual side of things at all. ive been studying knowledge of self for 10 years so its really irrelevant to me what hes teaching, which is knowledge laced with falseness.

the thing about the name "wu-tang" is that sure it comes from kung fu movies, but they are the villians in all of them, and thats their inspiration for coming up with that name. i am convinced they are evil.

[projectillogic]

part of this whole unified consciousness thing is that the gangs and police are not separate, they form a symbiotic circle. they way it is now, people that do drugs don't vote or contribute to politics, and respond with different forms of terrorism which increases the cops, increases street wars. drug dealers generally don't contribute to society and its all fucked up.

there is no way they mix meth with weed and just smoke that, i tried the combination once and first of all it tastes like shit, and i just don't believe it. ive been clean 6 years "weed isn't a drug" and personally know how bad that shit is. besides in 36 chambers, they say smoking meth and the blunts and the something and the cats. on gravel pit method man says "and the meth got you open". plus all my old friends and i unanimously decided that wutang was all about the meth.

and in rzas book, he talks about how they were on the streets as little kids doing and selling drugs. and that he sold drugs to get the equipment to start producing. look at a picture of the dude, damn. i wish i had this other picture still and i cant find it again, but it was methodman and redman on the cover of rolling stones. they looked like they been up for 2 months and methodman looked like he weighed about 50 pounds and you could see the crevice in the sides of his jaw.

i decided they were terrorists after i see them in concert and still think they are.

[projectillogic]

ive been studying enlightenment for 10 years, and rzas book just didn't impress me all that much. this is the beginning of hip hop and im a hip hop artist myself. just because they are one of the first bands and they happen to be into that kinda shit, doesn't mean they are the only ones or even right. too much mystical emphasis is placed on everything they say, that isn't what it is. some people worship them and think this and that, but as far as enlightenment is concerned i think they have a long ways to go.

rza says he is a 5 percent in his book. The masons also represent such a small group of people, and they too believe they are enlightened as well. As far as my personal beliefs, i also represent a very very small percent of the population, and have traveled far down the path of enlightenment and read many many many books, particularly in zen buddhism. you can see the conflict here.

its no secret that the wutang has been interested in ancient wisdom. that doesn't mean that they are correct. they seem to take the villain role on the whole subject "by admission", and express politics i do not agree with. they use fear as a weapon it seems, as well as other negative attributes. very terrorist like. considering that hip hop is new, people into enlightenment will be a dime a dozen in the near future, and i don't believe theirs is the correct path.

rza grew up doing and selling drugs, and hanging out with street gangs, guns, and murder. furthermore, his music glorifies all of this as a legitimate way of life man. he was into kung fu movies and on one particular movie, a group called the wutang defeated everyone in the shaolin temple and were kicked out, and were evil but nobody messed with them. that is why they adopted the name wutang, and thats the image they want to portray. i just think the whole thing is evil and not the correct path, and they have taken a negative spin on it and glorify street gangs and murder which is very terroristic. plus i heard them talking this shit live in concert and it just seems to me that they use force and intimidation to make their points, rather than represent the best possible path, which i think theres is not it at all. i support light, and it doesn't seem they are from the light.

-Jerome