a freemasons 33rd degree initiation

[humito]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34760/33Rd-Degree-Freemason-InitiationDeadly-Deception-Jim-Shaw-33Rd-Degree
excerpts fro the deadly deception by jim shaw............how true this is I dont know.........interesting though

[lightindarkness]

Jim Shaw is a known charlatan - he was never a 33rd degree mason. We know this because the Scottish Rite keeps immaculate records on this and publicly announces the 33rd degree receipts every single year.

He wrote it in order to play to Christian zealots who get off on thinking freemasonry is evil/satanist.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/shaw.htm

He also lied about being a past master of his lodge, among other things. I am not sure why he chose to lie about so much in order to sell his books and preach to the choir that would buy them, because it really isn't something that can be denied when the process of being a Worshipful Master and 33rd degree recipient creates so many public records than can be tracked and verified. If he really did those things there would be no way to deny them.

[humito]

I would agree that his born againness is suspect ......he doesnt reveal much of the ritual either..............if he wrote what he did to shock the christians im sure he could have made it a little more sinister.......dark hoods and a skull.......wow very scary lol I just found it interesting that he claimed to have reached such a high degree before realising that he wasnt involved with a christian organisation....as he sounds very familiar with the egyptian pantheon and serpent imagery and was obviously ok with that untill the 33rd degree invite.....I doubt whether what he says of the ritual is accurate but I do wonder what actually happened to him during the ritual to make him change his mind ...I would also add that the true meaning of masonry/signals/agenda etc is not revealed to anyone below the 33rd degree.............

[humito]

my guess is the ritual was never recorded as something happened to him to make him change his mind............I do however not think it was because of jesus............

[lightindarkness]

I would agree that his born againness is suspect ......he doesnt reveal much of the ritual either..............if he wrote what he did to shock the christians im sure he could have made it a little more sinister.......dark hoods and a skull.......wow very scary lol I just found it interesting that he claimed to have reached such a high degree before realising that he wasnt involved with a christian organisation....as he sounds very familiar with the egyptian pantheon and serpent imagery and was obviously ok with that untill the 33rd degree invite.....I doubt whether what he says of the ritual is accurate but I do wonder what actually happened to him during the ritual to make him change his mind ...I would also add that the true meaning of masonry/signals/agenda etc is not revealed to anyone below the 33rd degree.............

Uh, are you ignoring what I just wrote? He was never a 33rd degree, and was never Master of his lodge. He is a liar, and lied about his masonic membership. He made it up.

Now, as a liar, I would question his claim to be born again - since truly born again people do not lie like this.

How is it that you, not even being a mason, know when the "true meaning" is revealed to masons? Especially since the 33rd degree is simply a side order degree that primarily American. Please do your research and stop believing lies.

[localidiot]

there's a few genuine videos of a 33rd degree initiation on Youtube...
Don't have access to the site here though.

[mike martin]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34760/33Rd-Degree-Freemason-InitiationDeadly-Deception-Jim-Shaw-33Rd-Degree
excerpts fro the deadly deception by jim shaw............how true this is I dont know.........interesting though

Suffice it to say:
Jim Shaw was indeed a Mason and was active in the Scottish Rite bodies of Florida. He became a Mason in 1945 and demitted (requested that he be removed from active membership) in 1966. Despite the claims made in his book, he was NOT the Master of a Masonic lodge nor did he ever receive the honorary 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite.

Mike

[lightindarkness]

there's a few genuine videos of a 33rd degree initiation on Youtube...
Don't have access to the site here though.

Really? Can you provide links when you get a chance?

It can't be really genuine as the Scottish Rite would never allow cameras in to tape it, do you mean genuine as someone got a copy of the exposed rituals and acted it out themselves?

[localidiot]

Well, I say genuine 'cause the apparel is correct, unfortunately the last time viewed the video my sound on my computer wasn't functioning.
it's entirely possible it's a re-enactment.

[lightindarkness]

Well, I say genuine 'cause the apparel is correct, unfortunately the last time viewed the video my sound on my computer wasn't functioning.
it's entirely possible it's a re-enactment.

Interesting. If you find the link please post it. I know the 33rd degree ritual was exposed almost as soon as Pike wrote it, but given how elaborate it is I'd be curious to see who went through all the trouble to put on the costumes and act it out.

[localidiot]

I think I'm going to have to apoligize, LightinDarkness, it's been a while since i've seen the video, and rewatching it since it's just the fellow recieving the 33rd Jewel. Apologies.

Reciving a 33rd Degree Jewel - YouTube

I'm not sure actually if that's the video, but I could not find anything of similar lines.

[lightindarkness]

Ah its ok, I searched youtube myself and thats the only thing I could come up with. Oh well, give it enough time and I'm sure someone will use the exposed ritual to do a reenactment

[xpleet]

Whew that article doesn't sound very truthful.

The 33rd degree isn't the highest degree that's public hoax.
Perhaps even the 99th isn't the highest one.

I'm pretty sure the 33rd know that Lucifer is the Mason's god, remember that when Mason's accuse you of being anti Mason they accuse you of being anti-Lucifer and anti-Satan. And if they deny even that, then them low-degree'ers truely don't know a dang of what their organization believes in. They'll only have to wait til their masonic indoctrinations illuminate (delude) them to a point that they'll either lie their arses off or talk all day of how lightful Lucifer is.


Have a terrific day.

[lightindarkness]

Whew that article doesn't sound very truthful.

The 33rd degree isn't the highest degree that's public hoax.
Perhaps even the 99th isn't the highest one.

I'm pretty sure the 33rd know that Lucifer is the Mason's god, remember that when Mason's accuse you of being anti Mason they accuse you of being anti-Lucifer and anti-Satan. And if they deny even that, then them low-degree'ers truely don't know a dang of what their organization believes in. They'll only have to wait til their masonic indoctrinations illuminate (delude) them to a point that they'll either lie their arses off or talk all day of how lightful Lucifer is.


Have a terrific day.

Quite right. Neither the 33rd or 99th degree is the highest.

The highest degree is the 3rd degree.

Unfortunately all masons know that there is no Masonic God, and sadly for you this delusion you have with Lucifer isn't based in reality. Lucifer isn't real. The term is a biblical reference to a regional king.

When you are an anti-mason you are anti equality and anti liberty. Remember that, fascist.

[disconnex]

When you are an anti-mason you are anti equality and anti liberty. Remember that, fascist.

And when you are an anti-christian you're anti god anti truth and anti baby jesus... don't make me go spider monkey on you...

[thelonious]

Although Shaw claimed to have been a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, his claim was actually false; when he resigned from Freemasonry, he was a 32° KCCH.

Having never actually seen the 33° ceremony, he plagiarized from a couple of different sources, most notably, Blanchard's "Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated", which actually gives the rituals for the irregular Cerneau Scottish Rite, not the legitimate Supreme Council. He also used Pike's "Old Cahier of the 33rd degree", which was an English translation by Pike of an early 33° ceemony.

[thelucifer]

Although Shaw claimed to have been a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, his claim was actually false; when he resigned from Freemasonry, he was a 32° KCCH.

Having never actually seen the 33° ceremony, he plagiarized from a couple of different sources, most notably, Blanchard's "Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated", which actually gives the rituals for the irregular Cerneau Scottish Rite, not the legitimate Supreme Council. He also used Pike's "Old Cahier of the 33rd degree", which was an English translation by Pike of an early 33° ceemony.

Thelonous, I read Shaws book years ago, he talks about being offered the honor of being a 33rd and talks about going to HoT etc, I dont recall if he mentioned going through the 33rd ritual !

Are you saying
1. he was not offered the honor ?
2. never went to HoT etc ?


Im wondering if he simply didnt complete the 33rd requirements, which would make the accusations of him being a liar something of a game.

If you know off the top of your head great, otherwise no big deal/hurry.
I dont feel like putting any time into it right now.


If he blatantly lied about the stuff in the book about going to HoT etc his credibility/character is in very bad shape.

[thelonious]

Thelonous, I read Shaws book years ago, he talks about being offered the honor of being a 33rd and talks about going to HoT etc, I dont recall if he mentioned going through the 33rd ritual !

Are you saying
1. he was not offered the honor ?
2. never went to HoT etc ?


Im wondering if he simply didnt complete the 33rd requirements, which would make the accusations of him being a liar something of a game.

If you know off the top of your head great, otherwise no big deal/hurry.
I dont feel like putting any time into it right now.


If he blatantly lied about the stuff in the book about going to HoT etc his credibility/character is in very bad shape.

Rev. Shaw claimed in his book that he received the 33° at the House of the temple, but does not give a date. Brother Arturo DeHoyos, 33°, has proven the claim false.

Brother DeHoyos has produced the letter of resignation from Rev. Shaw, where he designates himself a 32° KCCH (not 33°). Furthermore, a letter from the Sovereign Grand Inspector General of Florida written to Shaw has been produced, asking Shaw to turn in his 32° KCCH regalia because they were the property of the Florida Scottish Rite Bodies. Furthermore, the Supreme Council publishes in its biannual Transactions the lists of all brothers elected to receive the 33°. Rev. Shaw's name is never listed.

Further, there is a required 4 year minimum between the time that a Brother is elected a 32° KCCH and the time he is eligible to receive the 33°, whereas Rev. Shaw resigned from Masonry only 2 years after receiving the KCCH investiture.

It should also be noted that when Shaw resigned from Masonry, he was not beligerent toward it. At the time of his resignation, Shaw was the degree master for the 25th degree in his Scottish Rite Temple. In his letter of resignation, Shaw volunteered to train a replacement for that position even after he himself resigned, which he would have hardly done if he thought Masonry was evil, which he later claimed.

He made several other claims in his book which are false, most notably, that he was a Past Master of his Lodge, and Past Master of all Scottish Rite bodies.

The facts of the matter are that he was indeed a Mason, and had served as a Lodge officer, but was never elected or served as Worshipful Master. He joined the Scottish Rite and received the 32°, and was eventually honored by the Supreme Council by being invested as a Knight Commander of the Court of Honour (KCCH), although he never received the 33° or presided over a Scottish Rite body. He was also a Shriner, but never served as an officer in the Shrine.

He never joined the York Rite of Masonry.

You may be interested in this essay by Brother DeHoyos:

http://www.scottishrite.org/web/SRpublications/deHoyos-chapter5.htm

Here are the documents that show Shaw was a 32° KCCH, not 33°, when he resigned:

https://rsmasons1.sslpowered.com/archives/lsome/shaw.htm