What if Ike's Reptilians are simply Demons?

[slayer of cliffracers]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.

[armoured_amazon]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

That's right.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

I wholly agree.

[haukipesukone]

Maybe Icke is using his own terminology instead of Christian terminology so that people wouldn't confuse him with religious nuts. He's a nut of his own kind. If were to call them demons, many would immediatly think he's trying to convert you to believe in Jesus.

I know many people who choose to ignore someone's words, even though they make sense, if the person saying it seems a bit too Christian.

(Just to make sure, I was calling Icke a nut in sarcastic way.)

[serpentoffire]

Reptilians are the old Salamanders (Fire sphere) and the old Undines/Mermaid (Wather sphere) , Arians are the old Sylphs (Air sphere), Grays are the old Trolls (Earth sphere). All of them are the old demons of Christianity. Maybe Icke should read Eliphas Levy and Agrippa.

[armoured_amazon]

Maybe Icke is using his own terminology instead of Christian terminology so that people wouldn't confuse him with religious nuts. He's a nut of his own kind. If were to call them demons, many would immediatly think he's trying to convert you to believe in Jesus.

I know many people who choose to ignore someone's words, even though they make sense, if the person saying it seems a bit too Christian.

(Just to make sure, I was calling Icke a nut in sarcastic way.)

Maybe he is. :)

[rhydra]

What is the definition of demons? To me a demon is any entity that isn't a defined Christian good guy as any non Christian is seen as an infidel, a non believer. Demons, to many are the older gods who once were worshipped and the entities who served well those before Christianity. Every new religion, new order, casts out the old religions and beliefs, turns them "evil" to dissuade the followers from returning to the old ways. On time those who the Christian church sees as good will be cast out and turned into demons by the new order. Saints and prophets will then be seen as "evil."

[armoured_amazon]

What is the definition of demons?

Non-human entities from another plane.

[rhydra]

The worry I have is that the generalisation of any race or species as entirely nefarious is a harmful generalisation. Look at our physical world, the trouble with elements of the followers of certain religions for instance, are all Muslims suicide bombers, Christians unsafe with children? Countries, are all Americans crack addicts or all British people permadrunks? No on all counts. Just as most who belong to the reptile races and species, the various Draco species, not all are good, not all are bad. However, fear of the unknown leads to speculation, pretty soon a small rumour becomes a huge fact, a fear then a hate.

It is always best to take reference from other sources than just one, perhaps geographically and chronologically limited source, scriptures and cetera. There are other sources of information which are not quite as popular, exciting maybe, but perhaps are less prone to creative interpretation, also, what one book lacks in enlightenment in one respect another can fill that gap.

[slayer of cliffracers]

Maybe Icke is using his own terminology instead of Christian terminology so that people wouldn't confuse him with religious nuts. He's a nut of his own kind. If were to call them demons, many would immediatly think he's trying to convert you to believe in Jesus.

I know many people who choose to ignore someone's words, even though they make sense, if the person saying it seems a bit too Christian.


However the irony here is that his reptilians resemble demons to such an extent that he would get more credibility to refer to them as such. If David Icke called them Demons, then it would tick with a lot more people than calling them aliens, since it is Demons they resemble.


rhydra What is the definition of demons? To me a demon is any entity that isn't a defined Christian good guy as any non Christian is seen as an infidel, a non believer. Demons, to many are the older gods who once were worshipped and the entities who served well those before Christianity. Every new religion, new order, casts out the old religions and beliefs, turns them "evil" to dissuade the followers from returning to the old ways. On time those who the Christian church sees as good will be cast out and turned into demons by the new order. Saints and prophets will then be seen as "evil."

No, that is Crowley's definition. A demon is simply an evil spirit, a malevolant SPIRITUAL being that manipulates people on the material plane for the purposes of spreading evil in order to get back at God whom they are in rebellion against.

Demons can 'possess' people, taking control of them as puppets which can then be exorcised through prayer. This is a key part of Christianity.


The worry I have is that the generalisation of any race or species as entirely nefarious is a harmful generalisation. Look at our physical world, the trouble with elements of the followers of certain religions for instance, are all Muslims suicide bombers, Christians unsafe with children? Countries, are all Americans crack addicts or all British people permadrunks? No on all counts. Just as most who belong to the reptile races and species, the various Draco species, not all are good, not all are bad. However, fear of the unknown leads to speculation, pretty soon a small rumour becomes a huge fact, a fear then a hate.

Firstly you are assuming that there *is* a 'Draco' species as such that exists on our plane. This isn't necceserily the case, the 'Reptilian' may be merely the physical form taken by Demons when they become powerful enough in their control over someone to manifest on this plane physically.

Draco's don't exist in the sense we exist. All they probably are is the physical form taken by fully manifested Demons. Because if something 'posseses' people, that makes it a demon in my book not an alien. An alien is a flesh and blood being like us, not a disembodies spirit that 'possesses' people.

The funny thing about it is that the form of the Reptilian form makes perfectly biblical sense for Demons to take, since they were cursed to 'crawl on their belly's and eat dust' as snakes in genesis as punishment. The original physical form of the devil was reptilian basically.

His physical form was ruined by God, creating what are now snakes.

Assuming that Demons are forbidden by God or naturally unable to replace the humans they replace with 'new' humans, then the taking of the form of a reptilian humanoid is a way of mocking the biblical curse under which they are supposed to be bound.

By shapeshifting the form of the possessed human into a reptilian humanoid, they are basically defying the original curse. It makes complete sense.

[armoured_amazon]

A demon is simply an evil spirit, a malevolant SPIRITUAL being that manipulates people on the material plane for the purposes of spreading evil in order to get back at God whom they are in rebellion against.

Demons can 'possess' people, taking control of them as puppets which can then be exorcised through prayer.

+1

[beldazar]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.

Good post there Slayer of cliffracers. You could say thats the religious interpretation of the situation :)

[armoured_amazon]

Good post there Slayer of cliffracers. You could say thats the religious interpretation of the situation :)

That's why a lot of people are misled when they think we are fighting different enemies. Our enemy is one and the same. :)

[meksar]

There are inter-dimensional beings and so are we, the simple way to look at it is that humanity is god and the reptilians are the devil. They have trapped us in a prison when we are supposed to be experiencing paradise, religion is one of their creations to suppress humanities potential. They are aliens because they are not form our world and they have the earth in their clutches, they are making us behave and live like them to set up their plan to destroy the planet. Religion has some truth but it is being used to create "morality" and to put people in a manipulated state of conformity to the tyranny in the power structure of the planet. Ancient cultures have been wiped out by the "holy" religions and in some cases people are losing their true spirited nature of reality, while the religions(at the highest level) are in bed with the secret societies and worship lucifer/reptilians. Mr Icke points out the contradictions and dogmatic fear based submission the various faiths preach while misleading the believers.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zohMUaUog&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CW7-UskI3To&feature=related

[noobcybot]

They seem to be one and the same thing or at least closely related. The demons of the Bible are most likely reps.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M9wD_Y3sMFg

[drakul]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.



Brilliant point. Also the more genetic diversity, the greater the phenomenon called `hybrid vigor' making posession more difficult. Obviously its much easier for demons to control weak inbred minds and bodies. Look at the Royal families of Europe. Completely inbred from one ruler - Charlemagne 814AD. Prince Charles has 1400 ancestors descended from Charlemagne. 1400! The Royals are all like that. They've been breeding uncles to nieces and first cousins for 1200 years.

`Reptilians' live in another dimension. They are the chaos-builders, thriving on bloody murder. Their agenda is to control/possess minds, to make them do evil, constantly whispering into the ears of the weak, corrupt and easily influenced. They have no heart, no compassion and look like giant lizards with red serpentine eyes. Reptilians can change form and sometimes manifest through channelers or captive mentalities etc.

Oh yes and the `Reptilians' have been around since time immemorial!

Yes. `REPTILIANS' = DEMONS.

[rhydra]

I'm not a Christian so I have a different view. I don't feel as they are demons in the Christian context, much respect to Christianity, however, I don't feel fear of malevolent spirits, much in the same way as if I see someone on this plane, who exists on this level, one doesn't need to have anything to do with them.

I also cannot see any reason for a malevolent spirit, if one exists, to take over a human soul without their permission. I have heard about people who have had walk-ins, they co-exist with each other, once the host tires or the walk-in tires they part company, much like a business partnership.

As for a hostile possession, I am of the thought that is it a possession or another facet of that personality, a part of themselves that they have rejected. Many people have personalities which are at odds with each other emotion-wise. I refrain from using the term "split personality" because I don't believe that a personality can be split but some emotions may not be compatible and are not recognised thus are felt to be alien.

As for the reptilians, the Draco, and indeed, the Dragon, yes they exist, indeed, not on this plane but they are physical nonetheless. No they are not evil, no reptilians are not evil, no, human beings are not evil and no, human beings, reptilians, Draco don't all have the same thoughts, motivations, loves, fears and desires. If we all did it would be a pretty boring word.

[91181]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.


Nice post...


I wonder if the DNA database for children could be used for finding codes in order to make possesion easier for them ?

[slayer of cliffracers]

There are inter-dimensional beings and so are we, the simple way to look at it is that humanity is god and the reptilians are the devil. They have trapped us in a prison when we are supposed to be experiencing paradise, religion is one of their creations to suppress humanities potential. They are aliens because they are not form our world and they have the earth in their clutches, they are making us behave and live like them to set up their plan to destroy the planet. Religion has some truth but it is being used to create "morality" and to put people in a manipulated state of conformity to the tyranny in the power structure of the planet. Ancient cultures have been wiped out by the "holy" religions and in some cases people are losing their true spirited nature of reality, while the religions(at the highest level) are in bed with the secret societies and worship lucifer/reptilians. Mr Icke points out the contradictions and dogmatic fear based submission the various faiths preach while misleading the believers.


The demons have a great deal of control over this planet, but they aren't all-powerful. Man is not God, no the purpose of the Demons is to create Evil on Earth in defiance of God. God is the creative impulse, that which is the fundermental Good.

Some religions originate with God (say Christianity), others with the Demons (say Aztec Religion). While the Demonic religions stay true to their roots near enough, the godly religions are inflitrated by the Demons because the Demons control Political Power and Wealth.

The Reptilians know they have no appeal to morality, so they make sure to control power and use that power as a substitute for morality. You have it back to front, the Demons/Reptilians don't encourage morality, they abhore morality and prefer a-moral power-based thinking.

They implant within existing religions their seeds using their agents, they try to a-moralise morality, by using morality against morality. So they force people to support wrong for moral reasons. So based upon the moral appeal to avoid death and destruction due to civil chaos, they convince people to obey bloodthirsty tyrannies.


Brilliant point. Also the more genetic diversity, the greater the phenomenon called `hybrid vigor' making posession more difficult. Obviously its much easier for demons to control weak inbred minds and bodies. Look at the Royal families of Europe. Completely inbred from one ruler - Charlemagne 814AD. Prince Charles has 1400 ancestors descended from Charlemagne. 1400! The Royals are all like that. They've been breeding uncles to nieces and first cousins for 1200 years.

They don't want people that are weak, nor are weak people any easier to possess. This is not how this works. They inbreed the strong, to make strength, even if it is an unbalanced strength. The 'master race'.

What they want is a group strong people, but people whose basic genetic form is the same. Since they already know the Astrology etc of people, this is all they need to get a measure of a persons basic makeup. How they tick basically.

They want people they can understand, the more similar parents are to their children, they easier it is for them to use the same old tricks to possess generation after generation.

Once they fully understand the makeup of a single person, they can mimic the person 'spirit form' in order to gain access to their mind.

It's like God told me once.

"Not everything you think is you is actually you"

Demons control my mimickry, they imitate the person they are trying to control and try to get the person to embrace the Demon as themselves, to confuse the Demon with the actual Soul.

The essential thing they like and need to hear is this.

"You are me".

That is why religions that emphasise the inherantly fallen nature of man are so evil, because the more you tell people they are demons, the easier the demons find to get their victims to say the above statement.

They want to make themselves a part of 'us'.


I'm not a Christian so I have a different view. I don't feel as they are demons in the Christian context, much respect to Christianity, however, I don't feel fear of malevolent spirits, much in the same way as if I see someone on this plane, who exists on this level, one doesn't need to have anything to do with them.

But why do they behave so much like Demons in a Christian context if they aren't the same beings? They are, because everything they do resembles the Demons of Christianity.

It is looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.


I also cannot see any reason for a malevolent spirit, if one exists, to take over a human soul without their permission. I have heard about people who have had walk-ins, they co-exist with each other, once the host tires or the walk-in tires they part company, much like a business partnership.

Because people are inherantly good. That is, the only way to initially get them to embrace evil, is to disguise your evil behind a coating of good.

A malevolant spirit once it has done so, can get the person to embrace the demon as themselves, to become truly evil.

The kind of arrangement you mentioned above is quite often used, but it is used to make covert changes to the persons makeup to make actual control easier.

They want control, because without control there is a limit to the amount of evil a single person can be persuaded to do.


As for a hostile possession, I am of the thought that is it a possession or another facet of that personality, a part of themselves that they have rejected. Many people have personalities which are at odds with each other emotion-wise. I refrain from using the term "split personality" because I don't believe that a personality can be split but some emotions may not be compatible and are not recognised thus are felt to be alien.

That is quite true, to a point. Beyond that point, is the other way around.

What they ultimately want is not rejection but acceptance. They want to embrace every side of ourselves, because then we embrace them as us.

"Not everything you think is you is really you,"

However on the road to achieving this, they will set up splits within a person, in order to force them to accept them in the circumstances that the situation triggers that part of the person to come to the forefront.

It is the human fear of being split, that is actually the demons greatest ally once established. Because it allows them to protect their own gains, for to 'flush out' the existing demons requires rejecting what you think is part of yourself.

[rhydra]

I, and I am sure that many others don't see people as inherently good, they have a desire to survive, ensure their food supply, procreation and status within their society, be that a democratic community or forest tribe. It is not as simple as saying humans are good reptilians are bad. maybe there are bad reptilians, there are certainly bad humans, though experience I have found that.
Of course it is quite natural for humans to believe that their religion is the only good one, all the rest are evil, demonic and a thoroughly bad lot. That is why those from other religions and demonically possessed people who had heretical theories such as the earth not being at the centre of the universe were cleansed by fire etc.
The problem lies in what starts as a theory but becomes a single issue sermon of why every other religion and those who do not follow any religion are demons, we must be careful not to enter into Fred Phelps territory.

[slayer of cliffracers]

I, and I am sure that many others don't see people as inherently good, they have a desire to survive, ensure their food supply, procreation and status within their society, be that a democratic community or forest tribe. It is not as simple as saying humans are good reptilians are bad. maybe there are bad reptilians, there are certainly bad humans, though experience I have found that.

Exactly why I say that people are inherantly good. Because they are inherantly motivated in their actions by all the above mentioned reasons. Survival, food, procreation and status are goods not evils.

Human beings do not inherantly seek the destruction of everything including themselves, that is they do not inherantly seek evil. Therefore humans are inherantly good in conjunction with the above.

So to make evil human beings, you need to decieve them, to decieve the human race you ultimately need decievers beyond the human race. Decievers to whom the destruction of the human race is a 'good'.

There are good reptilians/demons. In Christianity, the Demons and the Angels are exactly the same sort of creature. The origin of the evil problem, was that Lucifer decided he wanted to be God and consequently rebelled against God.

This story of course seemingly makes little sense, since you can no more rebel against God and become God than I can rebel against the law of gravity. Rather than resulting in any great rebellion, it would result simply in a lot of other angels laughing at the would-be-God.

However understood differently, it can be seen as being about Relative and Absolute Goodness. That is to say, I can expand my goodness in an absolute sense by achieving great things, or I can expand my goodness in a relative sense, by tearing down everyone else until my goodness is all that is left.

So in that sense the rebellion, is that the demons instead of trying to expand their own goodness or merely, realised they could instead utterly ruin everything so in comparison to their perfection, they are Divine beings.

The ultimate goal is simply to ruin everything, so that in relation to that ruin the goodness of the demons may appear to increase. David Icke's reptilians behave in a similar fashion, they feed on 'negative energies' that is they increase in strength simply as a result of the reduction of everything else.

Reptilians are however NOT an alien species in the sense of beings from an alien world that are paralell to ourselves, since they are not apparantly flesh and blood beings moving around in 3D space, but spiritual beings that 'possess' people from an 'astral dimension' in the manner of demons.

They exist only because it is neccesery for a demon that manifests fully on the material plane, to adopt a physical form of their own.


Of course it is quite natural for humans to believe that their religion is the only good one, all the rest are evil, demonic and a thoroughly bad lot. That is why those from other religions and demonically possessed people who had heretical theories such as the earth not being at the centre of the universe were cleansed by fire etc.
The problem lies in what starts as a theory but becomes a single issue sermon of why every other religion and those who do not follow any religion are demons, we must be careful not to enter into Fred Phelps territory.

But yet is that not quite true. Some religions are certainly worse than others, they are not all equal inherantly. All religions taken as a whole, contain strong elements of evil, since the demons/reptilians would not allow a 100% good religion to exist, since it would be too much of a threat to their designs.

[rhydra]

But yet is that not quite true. Some religions are certainly worse than others, they are not all equal inherantly. All religions taken as a whole, contain strong elements of evil, since the demons/reptilians would not allow a 100% good religion to exist, since it would be too much of a threat to their designs.

The definition of evil is subjective. On the point of a religion note being allowed to exist there are a few religions that have been going quite a long time, Christianity for instance, part of the Abrahamic faith family.
We keep hearing about deceiving, the devil deceiving, demons deceiving, it would appear that everything negative is blamed on said reptilians and other beings which, to be honest, are pretty easy to blame since one cannot prove or disprove a negative.

Since human beings are inherently good by their base instincts then without any outside influence they would therefore be non sentient creatures, incapable of higher functioning decision making capabilities. To have a decision making capability a human being must be able to move beyond the instinctive ie, move away from perceived danger, move towards food, be aware only of their surroundings and basic needs for survival. Should this definition of inherent goodness be the natural human state therefore the default human condition is an inert, instictive creature.

[slayer of cliffracers]

The definition of evil is subjective. On the point of a religion note being allowed to exist there are a few religions that have been going quite a long time, Christianity for instance, part of the Abrahamic faith family.
We keep hearing about deceiving, the devil deceiving, demons deceiving, it would appear that everything negative is blamed on said reptilians and other beings which, to be honest, are pretty easy to blame since one cannot prove or disprove a negative.

What I was noting was that the behavior of David Icke's reptilians so closely resembles that of the Demons in Christianity that logically they are the same beings.

Now the definition of evil is subjective. Not true. Is destruction subjective, if I build a house or destroy a house, is the difference between the two a subjective one? The difference between Good and Evil is of a similar nature.


Since human beings are inherently good by their base instincts then without any outside influence they would therefore be non sentient creatures, incapable of higher functioning decision making capabilities. To have a decision making capability a human being must be able to move beyond the instinctive ie, move away from perceived danger, move towards food, be aware only of their surroundings and basic needs for survival. Should this definition of inherent goodness be the natural human state therefore the default human condition is an inert, instictive creature.

Yes but when you talk of 'moving beyond' what exactly do you mean? You basically mean progressing towards a 'purer' form of creativity, a 'purer' form of Good than survival and propogation itself.

The expansion or development beyond the inert instinctual creature is a positive, creative development. In other words, it is the greater good, on top of the existing good. So my original point stands, humanity *is* inherantly Good, both at the base level and the more advanced level, since the more advanced level is 'Creativity' and the base level is 'Survival' both of which are Good.

Since the progression beyond the 'Base' Level is a Good development, then the only way for Evil to exist is for that development to be re-routed away from itself. Basically, it needs to turn against it's own foundation, to pursue destruction rather than survival.

Obviously therefore, Evil can only be the result of deception. The human being has to choose destruction, even self-destruction as the saught Good. The question therefore is what is the original liar and what was the original lie?

For the original liers to be non-human entities that are detatched from us, makes a lot of sense because such beings can seek simply the ruin and destruction of the human race itself and delibately misdirect the creative towards the destructive.

For the original lie to be that that Good is relative, makes sense as it would explain these beings basic motive. Because the more they destroy other beings, the more Good they become in comparison because Good being relative, what matters is how you compare to other beings. If you can totally ruin and despoil everything, then you would appear to grow in Goodness in relation to what you have destroyed.

If you think about the way the greatest evils, say the Holocaust worked out, in the end who really won? What Good did the destruction of the Jews do the Nazis in the end? Even if they had won and got away with it, what Good did it do them? In the end they were executed, so they reaped what they sowed as it were.

But if you consider that other beings outside of what we would consider to be 'reality' are behind the whole thing, then it all makes more sense. Because to them the Holocaust and the Nuremburg Trials are 'Good' because they expand their own good by the ruin of the human race as a whole, even of the Nazis. Since the more you ruin all humans, even the 'evil' one's, the more glorious you become by comparison.

[oceano]

These beings are very nasty. They are species 8472 in Star Trek Voyager and they exist in fluidic space. They are not manipulating or possessing human beings because it's fun for them to do so, they believe humans will in time be the cause of their annihilation. David is so right, they are sort of reptilian in form, but they are unlike any reptilian indigenous to this planet!

Just look at them creatures here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wivplBVrxeM

[darketernal]

I think you have it a bit backwards, in the sense that they are not demons being mislabeled, but rather a case of the beings we are calling reptilians have been mislabeled as demons by Christians in more ancient times, and by aliens today.

The assumption that if they were simply aliens, they would just overpower humanity with their technology. This is what YOU would do if you wanted to take over some less advanced species. It works on the assumption that the human thought process and intellect level is the same as theirs in terms of strategy, as well as to their motives.

What we are dealing with is a species that created the final product that is the current human species, and who harvest the species for a purpose a bit outside of one's normal train of thought. They are neither aliens nor demons as we think of them because they originated here, but have over time developed the ability to traverse space and dimensions, thus allowing them to be mistaken for either, with ease.

As far as the idea that they should attempt a hostile takeover... do you know any ranchers who feel the need to use their superior technology to take over and wipe out their own herd of cattle that are already inside a pen happily munching grass... oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a resource and their children food?

[slayer of cliffracers]

I think you have it a bit backwards, in the sense that they are not demons being mislabeled, but rather a case of the beings we are calling reptilians have been mislabeled as demons by Christians in more ancient times, and by aliens today.

No you have it backwards. Since they were classified as demons before David Icke came along and renamed then Reptilians.

The classification of them as Demons is older than the classification of them as Aliens, hence they are Demons. Because that's what they are and always will be, as that is what they were first called.


The assumption that if they were simply aliens, they would just overpower humanity with their technology. This is what YOU would do if you wanted to take over some less advanced species. It works on the assumption that the human thought process and intellect level is the same as theirs in terms of strategy, as well as to their motives.


If these Reptilians are evil, then they will behave in exactly that fashion. They will take over the planet earth with their technology and enslave it's inhabitants.

You either assume them to be fleshly material beings like ourselves, merely from another world, in which case their behavior will be something akin to our own, or you assume them to be extra-planar spiritual beings aka Beings.

Since possession is a trait of Spiritual beings, the logical explanation is that they are Demons. Flesh and Blood biengs have no need to possess people.

Beings progress Technologically, but there mindset doesn't progress much at all. They merely play the old games with new toys.


What we are dealing with is a species that created the final product that is the current human species, and who harvest the species for a purpose a bit outside of one's normal train of thought. They are neither aliens nor demons as we think of them because they originated here, but have over time developed the ability to traverse space and dimensions, thus allowing them to be mistaken for either, with ease.

They did originate here that is true. But they were always in other space and dimensions, that is there natural home. They aren't are probably have never been 3D flesh and blood creatures.

If they were, they would simply invade and conquer us with their superior technology. The present system is evidently inferior, so one must presume that they are manipulating because they are weak on the material plane not strong.

Because the material plane is not their natural home, they are visiting. Just as the material plane is the humans natural home, to demons the natural home is the 'spiritual' plane. The 4th Dimension as David Icke rationalises it.


As far as the idea that they should attempt a hostile takeover... do you know any ranchers who feel the need to use their superior technology to take over and wipe out their own herd of cattle that are already inside a pen happily munching grass... oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a resource and their children food?

But the Ranchers need to control their Cattle do they not? They need to build pens around them and the only way that beings without physical technology can control the human race is to control their minds.

Indeed ultimately what can any Rancher do but manipulate the minds of their Cattle? To that end, you get a measure of the creature you are dealing with an how it 'ticks' in order to get it to what you want.

However what the Demons want is contrary to what the human race wants, the Demons want the 'negative energies' than the human race naturally avoids. They want evil and suffering, humanity wants to avoid them.

Obviously the Demons ultimately need to control the entire control 'pyramid' and to do that you need to possess people so they are nothing but mouthpieces for their masters, the people decieving the decieved human beings lower down in the 'pyramid'.

However, if you offering people power in exchange for all the evil you want them to do, then why would they agree to surrender completely to you? Therefore 'hostile possession' is quite neccesery at least for the very top level of the pyramid.

[rhydra]

Every decision made by one person or entity will be viewed as evil by another, for one individual to prosper sometimes puts them into conflict with another individual. Evil is always the other individual or, should there be a collective responsibility, the work of another outside force which cannot be proved or disproved.
I suppose if demons, reptilians, fallen angels etc were involved in mankind's development it is they who have given them the propensity to blame others for their own shortcomings.;)

I have figured that instead of looking for outside influences to blame for mankind's almost unlimited capacity for self destruction they could do far worse than look inside themselves, come to terms with their own flaws and imprerfections, for if they don't have the ability to take full responsibility for their own actions maybe one day, while they will be deemed advanced enough to progress to the next level toward full integration into the greater conciousness, they will be seen as too dangerous to be allowed to continue. Maybe humans don't know how fine a line they are treading.

What humans see as true evil is the ability to cause harm to others, be those others be their own species or their own environment. The opposite of this "evil" as one can interpret it would be to move away from one's instinctive, tribal urges, the need to cause and defend oneself from conflict, to ensure there is no conflict and find your own place within the cosmic order. Above all, self enlightenment. Anything other than that will be nothing more than barbarism, be it barbarism with depleted unranium and cruise missiles.

Others who seem alien may be wanting to save hman beings from themselves but help is sometimes not recognised when it comes from a more advanced quarter, a sheep with a broken leg will see a human giving assistance as a predator to escape from. Likewise, an unenlightened human being given assistance from something they see as demons or reptiles will feel a sense of hostility. Personally, some part of me wonders if it is for the best or not.

[measle_weasel]

Wow, very nice post, OP. Ive thought the same at times; that DI's 'reptilians' and religious demons share a ton in common. And, I have also wondered why a race of aliens so technologically advanced would choose to conquer a planet in this manner, rather than just take it over by force. Heck, a race that is of our own official technological level, with interstellar travel, could easily conquer a planet that was like earth, thousands of years ago.

[measle_weasel]

I have figured that instead of looking for outside influences to blame for mankind's almost unlimited capacity for self destruction they could do far worse than look inside themselves, come to terms with their own flaws and imprerfections, for if they don't have the ability to take full responsibility for their own actions maybe one day, while they will be deemed advanced enough to progress to the next level toward full integration into the greater conciousness, they will be seen as too dangerous to be allowed to continue. Maybe humans don't know how fine a line they are treading.

/agree. As Ive said in other posts, mankind is notorious for being unable to take responsibility for anything that has a detrimental outcome, on a personal scale, or on a global scale. Theres always a reason, an excuse, or someone else to blame.

Personally, some part of me wonders if it is for the best or not.

Ive wondered the same. Could humanity, if they are not in control of themselves as it is, do any better than whoever is running the show now? Would they do even worse? At least as it stands, and as I understand it, there is order at the top, and direction. The vast majority of humanity cant even control themselves adaquately, let alone say, their children, and let alone again, a country, or the world.

Some could. There are always exceptions to the rules, and surely, even a couple people living today may have a good chance of being benevolent leaders if given the opportunity. But would those people be the ones in charge, or would those filled with a lust for power and personal wealth be the ones to take control?

[darketernal]

Again in reply to some of the last few posts, you assume they NEED to take over this planet, and have at some point in known history did not have control of it. They constructed the pen, and constructed the minds of humanity.

I'm a bit confused, given what even people such as David Icke have learned concerning the motives of the reptilians wouldn't such an invasion scenario be counterproductive to their goals?

[slayer of cliffracers]

Every decision made by one person or entity will be viewed as evil by another, for one individual to prosper sometimes puts them into conflict with another individual. Evil is always the other individual or, should there be a collective responsibility, the work of another outside force which cannot be proved or disproved.
I suppose if demons, reptilians, fallen angels etc were involved in mankind's development it is they who have given them the propensity to blame others for their own shortcomings.


Yes what you said about how one individual prospering putting them into conflict with another individual, but ultimately they would seek to resolve the conflict since rationally such a conflict would potentially cost them more than what they would gain from winning it.

Given there is enough resources to go around then there is no reason why conflict of the sort you mentioned would not be resolved in a sandbox situation.

If there isn't genuinely enough to go around, then conflict is sort of a good thing as it eliminates the weak links from the population in the process of controlling the population, so as to avoid depleting the supply of resources completely.


I have figured that instead of looking for outside influences to blame for mankind's almost unlimited capacity for self destruction they could do far worse than look inside themselves, come to terms with their own flaws and imprerfections, for if they don't have the ability to take full responsibility for their own actions maybe one day, while they will be deemed advanced enough to progress to the next level toward full integration into the greater conciousness, they will be seen as too dangerous to be allowed to continue. Maybe humans don't know how fine a line they are treading.

You sound very religious Rhydra all this 'greater consciousness' stuff. I wouldn't have guessed it from what you said earlier.

Thing is I tried 'taking full responsability for my own actions before but the Truth is that you really have very limited control over what you do, far less than you would perhaps like to have, so to a large extent 'responsability' is a cruel lie since what you do is quite often simply what you *must* do.

You make the wrong decision and you *must* follow through what you have create. And what is the wrong decision is very often made in a state of ignorance or deception.

A lot of the time the 'forces' simply deny of your will permission to act.


What humans see as true evil is the ability to cause harm to others, be those others be their own species or their own environment. The opposite of this "evil" as one can interpret it would be to move away from one's instinctive, tribal urges, the need to cause and defend oneself from conflict, to ensure there is no conflict and find your own place within the cosmic order. Above all, self enlightenment. Anything other than that will be nothing more than barbarism, be it barbarism with depleted unranium and cruise missiles.

Ah yes the whole Civilization VS Barbarism duality. 'Progress' and 'Self-Enlightenment', the whole ticket that justifies the very worse evils to be carried out since they are nebulous goods for which very real goods are readily sacrificed.

To defend oneself from conflict and to ensure there is no conflict are the same ultimately. The logic of the 'instinctive, tribal' urges leads naturally to the stuff you mentioned about avoiding conflict and finding your place within the cosmic order.

To give someone a 'higher' good, to disregard some goods and elevate others is crucial to the maximisation of evil. And ultimately it is is best (I mean worst) if those goods are illusary, if they do not exist and can never exist.

Since then they will throw away everything for an Illusion.


Others who seem alien may be wanting to save hman beings from themselves but help is sometimes not recognised when it comes from a more advanced quarter, a sheep with a broken leg will see a human giving assistance as a predator to escape from. Likewise, an unenlightened human being given assistance from something they see as demons or reptiles will feel a sense of hostility. Personally, some part of me wonders if it is for the best or not.

Why do we need help? Help to escape what? Why do we need to be saved from ourselves, if were in fact in charge of ourselves why would choose what is bad for ourselves?

It is evident that the human race is not free but enslaved. And to be slaves there must be something doing the enslaving. And since Evil is the only consequence of this slavery, it is evident that something beyond exists that seeks Evil for the sake of Evil.

[runciter]

I think you have it a bit backwards, in the sense that they are not demons being mislabeled, but rather a case of the beings we are calling reptilians have been mislabeled as demons by Christians in more ancient times, and by aliens today.

The assumption that if they were simply aliens, they would just overpower humanity with their technology. This is what YOU would do if you wanted to take over some less advanced species. It works on the assumption that the human thought process and intellect level is the same as theirs in terms of strategy, as well as to their motives.

What we are dealing with is a species that created the final product that is the current human species, and who harvest the species for a purpose a bit outside of one's normal train of thought. They are neither aliens nor demons as we think of them because they originated here, but have over time developed the ability to traverse space and dimensions, thus allowing them to be mistaken for either, with ease.

As far as the idea that they should attempt a hostile takeover... do you know any ranchers who feel the need to use their superior technology to take over and wipe out their own herd of cattle that are already inside a pen happily munching grass... oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a resource and their children food?

hi dark, i'd like to read what do you think/know about the greys :)

[runciter]

It is evident that the human race is not free but enslaved. And to be slaves there must be something doing the enslaving. And since Evil is the only consequence of this slavery, it is evident that something beyond exists that seeks Evil for the sake of Evil.


i agree with you.

[octopusrex]

Reptilians are the old Salamanders (Fire sphere) and the old Undines/Mermaid (Wather sphere) , Arians are the old Sylphs (Air sphere), Grays are the old Trolls (Earth sphere). All of them are the old demons of Christianity. Maybe Icke should read Eliphas Levy and Agrippa.

Now we are getting somewhere.

[armoured_amazon]

Now we are getting somewhere.

+1

[slayer of cliffracers]

i agree with you.

And finally, the beings outside, seeks evil for evil's sake as regards man, because they wish to increase their own 'goodness' by making everything else worse, as good and evil are in their view relative in a zero-sum way, so to make everything else worse is to make oneself better.

Some people's 'God' behaves in a similar fashion, so I wonder if their God is really the Devil in disguise.


Again in reply to some of the last few posts, you assume they NEED to take over this planet, and have at some point in known history did not have control of it. They constructed the pen, and constructed the minds of humanity.

I'm a bit confused, given what even people such as David Icke have learned concerning the motives of the reptilians wouldn't such an invasion scenario be counterproductive to their goals?

They simply don't have that sort of power. They don't have the power construct the minds of humanity, God did that. No, instead they conditioned the minds of humanity towards their own design. That is towards Evil or Destruction (including Self-Destruction).

Their goals are indeed to destroy completely all their 'livestock' because they feed on negation remember. So if they could invade the human race and destroy them utterly, by which I mean slowly torture them before they die so they are completely 'destroyed' in spirit aswell as body, they would do so.

They feed on negative energy. That is they feed on negation, so to them to destroy the whole human race utterly would provide the ultimate energy supply. Because the energy of utter destruction is utter and infinate.

The problem they have is that even the human-sacrificing devil worshipping people I am informed exist, seek Good, even if it is their own Good.

So the Reptilians/Demons are unable to destroy the human race, because they ultimately didn't create the human race completely, so they rarely truly embrace their own destruction AND the destruction of everything else around them.

And they don't have spaceships and high-tech weaponry, except those of the species over whom they have spiritually taken control directly, or by conditioning the minds of those creatures to indirectly follow that end.

[lordzoma]

This thread is worthless. Belief in god = fail.

[darketernal]

And finally, the beings outside, seeks evil for evil's sake as regards man, because they wish to increase their own 'goodness' by making everything else worse, as good and evil are in their view relative in a zero-sum way, so to make everything else worse is to make oneself better.

Some people's 'God' behaves in a similar fashion, so I wonder if their God is really the Devil in disguise.



They simply don't have that sort of power. They don't have the power construct the minds of humanity, God did that. No, instead they conditioned the minds of humanity towards their own design. That is towards Evil or Destruction (including Self-Destruction).

Their goals are indeed to destroy completely all their 'livestock' because they feed on negation remember. So if they could invade the human race and destroy them utterly, by which I mean slowly torture them before they die so they are completely 'destroyed' in spirit aswell as body, they would do so.

They feed on negative energy. That is they feed on negation, so to them to destroy the whole human race utterly would provide the ultimate energy supply. Because the energy of utter destruction is utter and infinate.

The problem they have is that even the human-sacrificing devil worshipping people I am informed exist, seek Good, even if it is their own Good.

So the Reptilians/Demons are unable to destroy the human race, because they ultimately didn't create the human race completely, so they rarely truly embrace their own destruction AND the destruction of everything else around them.

And they don't have spaceships and high-tech weaponry, except those of the species over whom they have spiritually taken control directly, or by conditioning the minds of those creatures to indirectly follow that end.

Why do you ask questions and start threads asking the questions if you cannot accept the answers given by those who know the answers? Why bother to ask at all if you already have made up your mind on the answer?

Its my experience that they have either created humanity as we think of it today as a domesticated animal, and they very much have the ability to do so, and they do have technologies you believe they do not.

Even the Bible some in this thread hold in high regard is the product of the minds of the bloodlines. How will you go about finding truth when you follow the very doctrines put before you by those who you wish to know the secrets of, who have done so to misguide you?

[runciter]

Why do you ask questions and start threads asking the questions if you cannot accept the answers given by those who know the answers? Why bother to ask at all if you already have made up your mind on the answer?

Its my experience that they have either created humanity as we think of it today as a domesticated animal, and they very much have the ability to do so, and they do have technologies you believe they do not.

Even the Bible some in this thread hold in high regard is the product of the minds of the bloodlines. How will you go about finding truth when you follow the very doctrines put before you by those who you wish to know the secrets of, who have done so to misguide you?

could it be that they aren't from this planet? they've been here for a looooong time, but maybe their home is another planet (mars?), and they act like psychopaths because they can't attune with the earth's soul/energetic field (and they're having a hard time living underground).

p.s. can you answer my question about the greys?

[slayer of cliffracers]

This thread is worthless. Belief in god = fail.

One-liner post dismissing other people's beliefs = fail.


Its my experience that they have either created humanity as we think of it today as a domesticated animal, and they very much have the ability to do so, and they do have technologies you believe they do not.


So we are domesticated animals? If they have so much technology and created us, why do they have to hide from us? Unless by definition you include 'magic'.

No, they are obviously weak, because they hide. If they created us why would they need to hide from us?


Even the Bible some in this thread hold in high regard is the product of the minds of the bloodlines. How will you go about finding truth when you follow the very doctrines put before you by those who you wish to know the secrets of, who have done so to misguide you?

So we should adopt universal paranoia and suspicion?

Point is, the enemies of the religious figures in the Bible, bear no small resemblance to Ike's reptilians. That was my main point.

Why would they write a book or create a religion to make us follow them in which the 'baddies' resemble themselves?

Ike really has the same enemy as the religions, he just can't accept it because it would mean adjusting his ideas and Tauros never alter their ideas unless they are completely forced too.

[armoured_amazon]

At the end of the day, some people believe their own experiences denote a certain belief and are too stubborn to change them. Discourse is good, but facing God is the only thing that will change some people's minds, not the tongues of mortal men/women.
:)

[haukipesukone]

Now the definition of evil is subjective. Not true. Is destruction subjective, if I build a house or destroy a house, is the difference between the two a subjective one? The difference between Good and Evil is of a similar nature.


What about the destruction of the trees I have to cut down to build the house? What about the space where I build the house. Maybe it was the host many different plants and insects, but I have to clear them out to build the house.

Building a house, that's a frickin' holocaust!



If you think about the way the greatest evils, say the Holocaust worked out, in the end who really won? What Good did the destruction of the Jews do the Nazis in the end? Even if they had won and got away with it, what Good did it do them? In the end they were executed, so they reaped what they sowed as it were.

But if you consider that other beings outside of what we would consider to be 'reality' are behind the whole thing, then it all makes more sense. Because to them the Holocaust and the Nuremburg Trials are 'Good' because they expand their own good by the ruin of the human race as a whole, even of the Nazis. Since the more you ruin all humans, even the 'evil' one's, the more glorious you become by comparison.

Who won in the holohoax? Evil, the Zionists. You say the Nazis were evil because they persecuted little poor Jews. I say the Zionists are evil, because they created the Nazis to gain control of Israel. There, subjective.

But there is a time and a place for discussing the holohoax, and it ain't this thread.

[octopusrex]

I could tell you stuff.

I could tell you that the Sun, our Sun is full of living entities of a different form as ours, entities made up of far more volatile molecules.

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.

I could tell you that the reason Humanity is imprisoned in this planet is because it is so toxic, like a contagious disease.

But it has already all been told to you in movies like Men In Black. You talk about a "reptilian" invasion as if it were a bad thing. In fact, the only real invasion of this planet is a human invasion. Its an invasion of bad technology combined with bad vibes, with outragous egos, with stupid short term profiteers and folks who dont give a rats ass about each other or other creatures.

If a race of Naga Kings came down and kicked our collective asses, sending us back to the stone age, it would be the best thing to happen to humanity since.. The deluge.

[darketernal]

could it be that they aren't from this planet? they've been here for a looooong time, but maybe their home is another planet (mars?), and they act like psychopaths because they can't attune with the earth's soul/energetic field (and they're having a hard time living underground).

p.s. can you answer my question about the greys?

You asked me to build a watch when you only wanted to know what time it is. What do you wish to know specifically?

[noobcybot]

[QUOTE=octopusrex;690571]I could tell you stuff.

I could tell you that the Sun, our Sun is full of living entities of a different form as ours, entities made up of far more volatile molecules.

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.

I could tell you that the reason Humanity is imprisoned in this planet is because it is so toxic, like a contagious disease.

[QUOTE]


But that is why humanity is so special. We have choices to make as far as we know, we arent as autonomous as the other races.

[runciter]

You asked me to build a watch when you only wanted to know what time it is. What do you wish to know specifically?

who/what are they? what relation do they have with the reptoids?

[drakul]

They don't want people that are weak, nor are weak people any easier to possess. This is not how this works. They inbreed the strong, to make strength, even if it is an unbalanced strength. The 'master race'.

What they want is a group strong people, but people whose basic genetic form is the same. Since they already know the Astrology etc of people, this is all they need to get a measure of a persons basic makeup. How they tick basically.

They want people they can understand, the more similar parents are to their children, they easier it is for them to use the same old tricks to possess generation after generation.

Once they fully understand the makeup of a single person, they can mimic the person 'spirit form' in order to gain access to their mind.




I have to disagree here - it is a fact that extensive in-breeding and line-breeding causes physical and mental weaknesses from the matching of recessive genes in both parents. Any dog or horse breeder will tell you this. And this is why inbreeding is so frowned upon in the breeding business. Everyone knows it creates animals with sometimes severe problems. Of course we've all heard how the reputation of some breeds as domestic pets have been `RUINED' from unscrupulous breeders who want to win at dog shows and practice line-breeding at the expense of the breed.

Humans are no different. I have been doing some research on the Royal Families of Europe/Britain. All the royals of Britain, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, and all the former royals of Russia, Austria Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, etc are all descended from the SAME German lines, all going back to Charlemagne, crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 814.

Geneologists claim that Prince Charles has 1400 ancestral links to Charlemagne. Imagine! The `Royals' have been breeding to their cousins and nieces and nephews for 1200 years. An example of what you can get is Charles II of Spain. Charles II was descended from his great grandmother - `JUANA THE MAD' 14 times! And Juana the Mad was descended from another madwoman multiple times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

And the obvious question is WHY? Why would you keep line-breeding these incompetents if not to create a family line that is inherently weak and easily controlled/possessed?

[darketernal]

who/what are they? what relation do they have with the reptoids?

In my experience they are semi-conscious bio-constructs. They have no reproductive or digestive system, have a hive-like consciousness, and seem to be servants to the reptilians. It was my understanding that they were closely related to humans, using both human and reptilian genetic material in their construction.

[rhydra]

I could tell you stuff.

I could tell you that the Sun, our Sun is full of living entities of a different form as ours, entities made up of far more volatile molecules.

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.

I could tell you that the reason Humanity is imprisoned in this planet is because it is so toxic, like a contagious disease.

But it has already all been told to you in movies like Men In Black. You talk about a "reptilian" invasion as if it were a bad thing. In fact, the only real invasion of this planet is a human invasion. Its an invasion of bad technology combined with bad vibes, with outragous egos, with stupid short term profiteers and folks who dont give a rats ass about each other or other creatures.

If a race of Naga Kings came down and kicked our collective asses, sending us back to the stone age, it would be the best thing to happen to humanity since.. The deluge.

Well said.

[measle_weasel]

I could tell you stuff.

I could tell you that the Sun, our Sun is full of living entities of a different form as ours, entities made up of far more volatile molecules.

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.

I could tell you that the reason Humanity is imprisoned in this planet is because it is so toxic, like a contagious disease.

But it has already all been told to you in movies like Men In Black. You talk about a "reptilian" invasion as if it were a bad thing. In fact, the only real invasion of this planet is a human invasion. Its an invasion of bad technology combined with bad vibes, with outragous egos, with stupid short term profiteers and folks who dont give a rats ass about each other or other creatures.

If a race of Naga Kings came down and kicked our collective asses, sending us back to the stone age, it would be the best thing to happen to humanity since.. The deluge.

I might agree.

But there are some good people, who would not deserve to be destroyed. Maybe that percentage of people is tiny, or maybe there is just a single soul who does not deserve a collective ass kicking. Maybe thats why something like that has never happened before.

[measle_weasel]

I could tell you stuff.

I could tell you that the Sun, our Sun is full of living entities of a different form as ours, entities made up of far more volatile molecules.

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.

I could tell you that the reason Humanity is imprisoned in this planet is because it is so toxic, like a contagious disease.




But that is why humanity is so special. We have choices to make as far as we know, we arent as autonomous as the other races.

So other races have more choices? I would agree.

I, personally, would like to be autonomous though, and take the opportunity to be so as much as I can. If others did the same, the world would not be so controllable as it is now.

[Ian2day]

The reptillians are part of a CON. A false memory implanted during NLP hypnotism sessions carried out by CIA/Britsih SIS. Its all a trick...

[measle_weasel]

The reptillians are part of a CON. A false memory implanted during NLP hypnotism sessions carried out by CIA/Britsih SIS. Its all a trick...

A false memory? Do you have any data to back up this idea?

And what is NLP?

[Ian2day]

A false memory? Do you have any data to back up this idea?

And what is NLP?

Neuro Lingustic Programming

Yeah I was hypnotised by someone with the first name Paul he introduced me to various people while I believe he was wearing a fake reptillian head. It is a bit hazy as I was under a hypnotic trance. Loads of false memories implanted in my head. I went to a lose weight session that was meant to be some 8 hours long. I believe that it really lasted 32 hours. The home office conspired tosteal my intellectual property and then cover it up with a huge cover up taking place right now for the last 18 months or so. David Shayler has been forced into hiding to escape from MI5/Home office. It is a fucking huge cover up. SO much more to it all. but yet icke who claims to want to be looking for somelone who has seena reppie has never tried to meet me. He is either a CON man or is being used by the British SIS. I expect that they will try and make me to be mad etc It is a fucking big ass copnspiracy to end all conspiracys but does anyone really give a fuck. maybe i shoukld just forget it all and let the fake world continue as it is. I leep getting death threats and so do my family. yet here i am still breathing for now. The government know about it all but they did it to nick my money and intellectual property. They have done it to many many people.

[guuna]

I used to know a Portuguese guy, he grew up in Mozambique, and as a child his mum used to take him to a secretive little house church out in the bush that was run by Shangaan(Tsonga tribe) Sangomas(spiritual men or healers).

He said that these Sangomas were able to transform themselves into 'Snakes' or Snakemen during certain rituals. I heard these stories from him long before I ever heard of David Icke or his reptilian theory. This and several others lead me to think that there is something to the theory, wether they are actual Biblical demons I don't know, although i do find the theory of the serpent that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden being a member of an ancient pre-human civilisation an interesting one.

[lordzoma]

What if - GASP - Demons are simply Reptilians? OMG!

[darketernal]

What if - GASP - Demons are simply Reptilians? OMG!

Good luck convincing a Christian that anything can be seen outside of the context of the Bible. Their religion was created to be a prison of the mind, and it is a well constructed prison indeed. It goes so deep that most cannot even comprehend that the spirits and god they think they feel connected to could not possibly be a product of a higher technology or a psyops project, yet they will come on a forum such as this and say such things exist.

[runciter]

In my experience they are semi-conscious bio-constructs. They have no reproductive or digestive system, have a hive-like consciousness, and seem to be servants to the reptilians. It was my understanding that they were closely related to humans, using both human and reptilian genetic material in their construction.

is it possible that they're trying to become true living creatures via genetic experimentation?

[runciter]

I could tell you that the inner earth is far larger in population than the outer earth.


are they the ancient inhabitants of mars?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/4/40/Star_Wars_Phantom_Menace_poster.jpg/250px-Star_Wars_Phantom_Menace_poster.jpg

(the guy in the background)

[armoured_amazon]

Good luck convincing a Christian that anything can be seen outside of the context of the Bible. Their religion was created to be a prison of the mind, and it is a well constructed prison indeed. It goes so deep that most cannot even comprehend that the spirits and god they think they feel connected to could not possibly be a product of a higher technology or a psyops project, yet they will come on a forum such as this and say such things exist.

And the same can be said for you.

[runciter]

And the same can be said for you.

i think from a moral point of view they ARE demons, they have no compassion and show no human feelings, but i'm not sure about their "biological" characteristics... my current hypothesis is that physical humanoid beings, who came on this planet a long time ago, are living under the earth's surface because our atmosphere is not suited for them, and they manage to take control of some chosen bloodlines and/or individuals (hybrids?) through some kind of "demonic possession", that they possibly achieve with astral projection or obe (or some advanced technology, who knows).

the demons some people (like you :)) see are the "astral bodies" of these creatures.

:confused:

[armoured_amazon]

:confused:

LOL your confused smiley :D

[slayer of cliffracers]

What if - GASP - Demons are simply Reptilians? OMG!

Demons are the older idea.


Good luck convincing a Christian that anything can be seen outside of the context of the Bible. Their religion was created to be a prison of the mind, and it is a well constructed prison indeed. It goes so deep that most cannot even comprehend that the spirits and god they think they feel connected to could not possibly be a product of a higher technology or a psyops project, yet they will come on a forum such as this and say such things exist.

There are infinate number of possibilities, but we cannot accept all of them. It's just that it is amusing to say the least how what David Icke has supposadly discovered, fits better within the Bible and the Religion in general than within his own quasi-religious conspiracy system.

To be honest they muck around too much for them to be a real hostile high-tech civilization. Why all the Secrecy? Weak beings hide, or being that don't want to influence events too much.

If you are strong and want to influence events, why hide what you do so much? Why not take over and enslave everyone quite openly if you are so high-tech. They might rebel, but why would you care if they rebel, it's not like they can do anything at all.

Essentially, if these beings really are High-Tech aliens, then resistance to them is quite literally futile. If they cannot rule covertly, they will simply take over openly with their superior technology.


i think from a moral point of view they ARE demons, they have no compassion and show no human feelings, but i'm not sure about their "biological" characteristics... my current hypothesis is that physical humanoid beings, who came on this planet a long time ago, are living under the earth's surface because our atmosphere is not suited for them, and they manage to take control of some chosen bloodlines and/or individuals (hybrids?) through some kind of "demonic possession", that they possibly achieve with astral projection or obe (or some advanced technology, who knows).

the demons some people (like you ) see are the "astral bodies" of these creatures.

But if they have physical forms and such technology, then why do they have to skulk through the astral plane. Couldn't they simply take over the world in about a week? Possessing people is inefficiant when you can rule openly.

And also, if they are Aliens, it wouldn't be possible to form hybrids anyway, since their DNA's would be incompatable. They would have to alter their own DNA so much, they would effectively have no part in the hybrid.

The logical explanation is that they actually live in the Astral Plane, in other words they are simply Demons in their natural form. To manifest physically they have to first possess people.

The 'hybrid' creatures aren't hybrids at all. They are 'marked' bloodlines, that is bloodlines which while fully human, have been mapped out in order to determine how to possess them easily and completely.

These marked bloodlines must be contained, because if they mingle too much, their DNA will no resemble the DNA that was fully mapped out. The greater level of inbreeding the better.

[rhydra]

Good luck convincing a Christian that anything can be seen outside of the context of the Bible. Their religion was created to be a prison of the mind, and it is a well constructed prison indeed. It goes so deep that most cannot even comprehend that the spirits and god they think they feel connected to could not possibly be a product of a higher technology or a psyops project, yet they will come on a forum such as this and say such things exist.

I have nothing against Christians at all, it is not the only religion and not the only means of making sense of the world around. It is turning into somewhat of a biblical forum with only one form of Christianity making the biggest noise. There are other Christian groups out there but it seems that their voice isn't really being heard.
It's worse if you aren't a Christian an'd don't believe in certain things, you either have to keep quiet or be subjected to abuse. We are supposed to be against oppression... :confused:

[runciter]

But if they have physical forms and such technology, then why do they have to skulk through the astral plane. Couldn't they simply take over the world in about a week? Possessing people is inefficiant when you can rule openly.


they can't live on earth's surface, the only thing they can do is project their astral bodies from the underground and play their games.. and they aren't attuned with the earth's vibration/energetic field, so from a spiritual point of view we still have too much power.

[slayer of cliffracers]

they can't live on earth's surface, the only thing they can do is project their astral bodies from the underground and play their games.. and they aren't attuned with the earth's vibration/energetic field, so from a spiritual point of view we still have too much power.

Yet they come from earth? Or don't they. I lose track. Maybe they do have a load of demons in their physical form in the middle of Earth, that sounds like the traditional idea of Hell as being in the middle of the Earth.

They don't need to live on the earth's surface. They can build themselves a spacesuit if they are so advanced, so it isn't such a hindrance really.

[runciter]

Yet they come from earth? Or don't they. I lose track.


they left mars after a planetary catastrophe destroyed its atmosphere, leaving a huge scar on its face.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/images05/050412scarface.jpg

[slayer of cliffracers]

they left mars after a planetary catastrophe destroyed its atmosphere, leaving a huge scar on its face.


Ah yes. And why not wipe out the human race and terreform Earth to be like Mars was? If your evil and stuff.

[runciter]

Ah yes. And why not wipe out the human race and terreform Earth to be like Mars was? If your evil and stuff.

i think changing a planet's atmosphere is not that easy, and it's generally hard for alien creatures to interact with another planet's reality, because they aren't attuned with its energetic/vibrational field.. we humans are the natural co-creators of the earth's reality.

[drakul]

i think changing a planet's atmosphere is not that easy, and it's generally hard for alien creatures to interact with another planet's reality, because they aren't attuned with its energetic/vibrational field.. we humans are the natural co-creators of the earth's reality.


Interesting idea. I like it.

It's clear that awareness and worship of `demons' in the Reptilian form as powerful serpent dragons is literally as old as human civilization itself and no one really knows how old that is. Nearly every ancient civilization has worshipped the BLOOD/DEATH cults of the serpent/dragon.

This age old subliminal consciousness of DEMONS is what caused Icke's affirmation of the existence of Reptilians to resound so deeply through society. For generations `Science' has denied demonic existence, (just as they have denied God). Then suddenly someone of stature comes forth and gives a valid historical foundation for why Demons do exist, just under another name - `Reptilians'.

[darketernal]

are they the ancient inhabitants of mars?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/4/40/Star_Wars_Phantom_Menace_poster.jpg/250px-Star_Wars_Phantom_Menace_poster.jpg

(the guy in the background)

No, earth is their home world. However some of the genes spliced into humans by them seem to have come from Mars.

Actually the being you are refering to is Dark Maul and he does resemble the reptilians I've seen.

And the same can be said for you.

If by that you mean I am completely and 100% unopen to Christianity becuase I understand who its god is, as well as the true origins of the religion and its Bible, then yes. I consider it to be one of the largest tools of the "Illuminati" and when they are gone, I hope they take this filthy religion with them.

If you mean I practice a religion (all religion as we know it was seeded into human cultures by my distant ancestors and cousins), then no.

i think from a moral point of view they ARE demons, they have no compassion and show no human feelings, but i'm not sure about their "biological" characteristics... my current hypothesis is that physical humanoid beings, who came on this planet a long time ago, are living under the earth's surface because our atmosphere is not suited for them, and they manage to take control of some chosen bloodlines and/or individuals (hybrids?) through some kind of "demonic possession", that they possibly achieve with astral projection or obe (or some advanced technology, who knows).

the demons some people (like you :)) see are the "astral bodies" of these creatures.

:confused:

I think you are not far off the mark here. I've seen both physical and astral manifestations of them. Many of them have transfered their entire essence to the astral as well, while some remain here physically, and still others have set up cities off world as well.

I have nothing against Christians at all, it is not the only religion and not the only means of making sense of the world around. It is turning into somewhat of a biblical forum with only one form of Christianity making the biggest noise. There are other Christian groups out there but it seems that their voice isn't really being heard.
It's worse if you aren't a Christian an'd don't believe in certain things, you either have to keep quiet or be subjected to abuse. We are supposed to be against oppression... :confused:


I agree, and yes it is becoming a problem. When you consider that David Icke has made his stand clear on Christianity and religions in general (and its very similar to own view and I was quite impresse with his spin on it at Brixton 08 because it was similar to the way I try to explain religions to people who ask me), it is rather surprising to come here and find people quoting the Bible in every other thread, and attacking anyone such as myself who stands up to them.

[darketernal]

To be honest they muck around too much for them to be a real hostile high-tech civilization. Why all the Secrecy? Weak beings hide, or being that don't want to influence events too much.

If you are strong and want to influence events, why hide what you do so much? Why not take over and enslave everyone quite openly if you are so high-tech. They might rebel, but why would you care if they rebel, it's not like they can do anything at all.

Essentially, if these beings really are High-Tech aliens, then resistance to them is quite literally futile. If they cannot rule covertly, they will simply take over openly with their superior technology.

All three paragraphs say the same thing, so I will address them together. They do not need to take over something they created and controled since day one. The changes we see in society now to tighten control are in response to multiple perceived threats they see to their current relationship of shepherd and herd with humanity... not the least of which being a shift in energy and frequincy in the planet and solar system which is unbalancing the unatural balance of energies they've maintained here long term.

Why not rule openly? You fail to understand their role or the purpse for which they engineered the physical vessels humans think of as themselves. They created the human body to carry genetics which would reasonate at a frequincy that attracts a very powerful and creative energy within itself (what some of you might call a soul or a higher consciousness... what you call it matters not) that not only produces types of energy which they cannot and which is extremely useful to their society... but also has the ability to massively alter the reality around them. They placed blocks within the physical mind to limit its understanding of the energy contained, while giving it just enough access to perform the desired roles by them.

The process of humanity givings these energies to the reptilians as well as creating a world structure of their liking by the collective human minds, must be done so of your own free will. They speak to the subliminal in order to obtain permission and not violate the free will of humanity becuase, at least on a subconscious level they have told people what they are doing, be it in subliminal messages, movies, fiction etc as a defense to themselves and to avoid a backlash of energy for what they do. All of this requires the complete cooperation of the masses. They use tricker because they have used humanity to harvest an energy far more powerful than they themselves possess, and it must be coaxed into going along with their plans.



And also, if they are Aliens, it wouldn't be possible to form hybrids anyway, since their DNA's would be incompatable. They would have to alter their own DNA so much, they would effectively have no part in the hybrid.

The logical explanation is that they actually live in the Astral Plane, in other words they are simply Demons in their natural form. To manifest physically they have to first possess people.

The 'hybrid' creatures aren't hybrids at all. They are 'marked' bloodlines, that is bloodlines which while fully human, have been mapped out in order to determine how to possess them easily and completely.

These marked bloodlines must be contained, because if they mingle too much, their DNA will no resemble the DNA that was fully mapped out. The greater level of inbreeding the better.


Correct, they are not aliens. Credo Mutwa and myself might be the only people in this area saying this, but they are not aliens at all. Humans are more alien than the reptilians are. It is my understanding, based on what I could learn from a reptilian who knew a little of these things... their society is compartmentalized as well, that humans are indiginous hominids who had their genes spliced with off world genetics some or all of coming from a source on mars, and possibly other planets... he did not know for certain, to create modern man. Humanity was engineered to be compatable with them and to be able to produce hybrid offspring also capable of reproduction. This is not an accident.

[runciter]

The process of humanity givings these energies to the reptilians as well as creating a world structure of their liking by the collective human minds, must be done so of your own free will. They speak to the subliminal in order to obtain permission and not violate the free will of humanity becuase, at least on a subconscious level they have told people what they are doing, be it in subliminal messages, movies, fiction etc as a defense to themselves and to avoid a backlash of energy for what they do. All of this requires the complete cooperation of the masses. They use tricker because they have used humanity to harvest an energy far more powerful than they themselves possess, and it must be coaxed into going along with their plans.


this makes a lot of sense to me, and seems to confirm my feeling that we humans are spiritually superior to them, because we can access the infinite energy and intelligence of the universe directly, in a completely natural way, without technological means.

[runciter]

If by that you mean I am completely and 100% unopen to Christianity becuase I understand who its god is, as well as the true origins of the religion and its Bible, then yes. I consider it to be one of the largest tools of the "Illuminati" and when they are gone, I hope they take this filthy religion with them.

If you mean I practice a religion (all religion as we know it was seeded into human cultures by my distant ancestors and cousins), then no.


i think some religions were born of true spiritual experiences, and were hijacked by the illuminati.

[darketernal]

this makes a lot of sense to me, and seems to confirm my feeling that we humans are spiritually superior to them, because we can access the infinite energy and intelligence of the universe directly, in a completely natural way, without technological means.


Bingo. That is the key to understanding what is going on. Even with the genetic limitations built into your computer humanity still possesses a potential far beyond that of the reptilians. This is the reason for the structure of control over humanity.

[darketernal]

i think some religions were born of true spiritual experiences, and were hijacked by the illuminati.

Very true. None of the "Abrahamic" religions fit into that category though. Judaism, Christianity and Islaam were all controled from day one, and created for certain agendas.

[runciter]

Very true. None of the "Abrahamic" religions fit into that category though. Judaism, Christianity and Islaam were all controled from day one, and created for certain agendas.

i see early christianity as a spiritual reaction to a corrupt society.

[darketernal]

i see early christianity as a spiritual reaction to a corrupt society.

You mean Gnosticism? This MIGHT fall into that category, but they quickly wiped this out, made this spiritual figure into a physical being, renamed him "Jezues" after the Greek god Zues, rewrote all the writings to their own ends, changed the name of this faith to "Christianity" and made it an almost exact replicia of the religion of Osiris.

They immediately crushed this small spiritual awakening, wiped their writings and true beliefs from the face of history, and in less than 4 centuries turned it into a massive mind control religion used to harvest the energy of men to a reptilian old one and as a vehicle of war to bring death and destruction to all corners of the earth.

[skyver]

Yes I agree with OP. Reptillians ARE demons...

[rhydra]

The more people hear about reptilians the more they might want to hear about them... Just all toll free to buy the book, all major credit cards accepted, praise the lord and hand over your money. ;)

[slayer of cliffracers]

If by that you mean I am completely and 100% unopen to Christianity becuase I understand who its god is, as well as the true origins of the religion and its Bible, then yes. I consider it to be one of the largest tools of the "Illuminati" and when they are gone, I hope they take this filthy religion with them.

If you mean I practice a religion (all religion as we know it was seeded into human cultures by my distant ancestors and cousins), then no.


You understand who it's god is? No you don't. You think you understand.

The Demons of Christianity resemble Icke's Reptilians, not it's god. It makes me laught that David Icke should get it the wrong way around.


Why not rule openly? You fail to understand their role or the purpse for which they engineered the physical vessels humans think of as themselves. They created the human body to carry genetics which would reasonate at a frequincy that attracts a very powerful and creative energy within itself (what some of you might call a soul or a higher consciousness... what you call it matters not) that not only produces types of energy which they cannot and which is extremely useful to their society... but also has the ability to massively alter the reality around them. They placed blocks within the physical mind to limit its understanding of the energy contained, while giving it just enough access to perform the desired roles by them.

They created humans to carry genetics very very similar to that of other creatures, the only really notable genetic difference between us and the apes is that we are missing 2 Chromosones.

So now the Reptilians actually created us. But yet if that is so, how come we would even want to defy them in the first place?

Why hide from your own creatures, if you can create your own creatures to worship you by nature?

The fact they hide and manipulate and are afraid of being revealed, suggests they are not our creators.


Why not rule openly? You fail to understand their role or the purpse for which they engineered the physical vessels humans think of as themselves. They created the human body to carry genetics which would reasonate at a frequincy that attracts a very powerful and creative energy within itself (what some of you might call a soul or a higher consciousness... what you call it matters not) that not only produces types of energy which they cannot and which is extremely useful to their society... but also has the ability to massively alter the reality around them. They placed blocks within the physical mind to limit its understanding of the energy contained, while giving it just enough access to perform the desired roles by them.

So basically they spiritually imprison people. Sounds like Demons to me. Or the 'Bad God' of Dualist Religion.


The process of humanity givings these energies to the reptilians as well as creating a world structure of their liking by the collective human minds, must be done so of your own free will. They speak to the subliminal in order to obtain permission and not violate the free will of humanity becuase, at least on a subconscious level they have told people what they are doing, be it in subliminal messages, movies, fiction etc as a defense to themselves and to avoid a backlash of energy for what they do. All of this requires the complete cooperation of the masses. They use tricker because they have used humanity to harvest an energy far more powerful than they themselves possess, and it must be coaxed into going along with their plans.

So these all-powerful evil beings, powerful enough to create humanity, still need our 'free will' in order to operate? Why wouldn't they enslave our minds from the start, so we have no freedom to disobey them?

Obviously they never created anything, because they are weak on our 3D plane.


Correct, they are not aliens. Credo Mutwa and myself might be the only people in this area saying this, but they are not aliens at all. Humans are more alien than the reptilians are. It is my understanding, based on what I could learn from a reptilian who knew a little of these things... their society is compartmentalized as well, that humans are indiginous hominids who had their genes spliced with off world genetics some or all of coming from a source on mars, and possibly other planets... he did not know for certain, to create modern man. Humanity was engineered to be compatable with them and to be able to produce hybrid offspring also capable of reproduction. This is not an accident.

You would trust the word of a reptilian/demon to be honest?

You are all unclear. What are they? Spirits, mortal creatures, something else?

[darketernal]

You understand who it's god is? No you don't. You think you understand.

The Demons of Christianity resemble Icke's Reptilians, not it's god. It makes me laught that David Icke should get it the wrong way around.

No, I understand that your god and satan have the same origin and are two sides of the same coin. This is the game they have always played. Create both sides, control both sides who appear to oppose each other, to give the illusion of conflict and of choice to distract people and make them pick one side when you control both behind the scenes.


They created humans to carry genetics very very similar to that of other creatures, the only really notable genetic difference between us and the apes is that we are missing 2 Chromosones.

So now the Reptilians actually created us. But yet if that is so, how come we would even want to defy them in the first place?

Why hide from your own creatures, if you can create your own creatures to worship you by nature?

The fact they hide and manipulate and are afraid of being revealed, suggests they are not our creators.

How may truely defy them? Other than a few bumps which they delt with, the majority have always done as expected. I would say the only time you really see the genetic program breeched is when the consciousness/energy using the body for this experience wakes up a little.

Using your same logic, I would worship the same god you do without question if he in fact created me. I do not worship or respect this being at all, nor do I feel inclined to.

So basically they spiritually imprison people. Sounds like Demons to me. Or the 'Bad God' of Dualist Religion.



So these all-powerful evil beings, powerful enough to create humanity, still need our 'free will' in order to operate? Why wouldn't they enslave our minds from the start, so we have no freedom to disobey them?

Obviously they never created anything, because they are weak on our 3D plane.

Or what you think of as a demon has been based on something the predates humanity and the written language entirely. An argument of symantics.

If they were all powerful, which I never claimed they were... in fact I don't believe there is any being more powerful than us in existence... then they would not have the need to create humanity to harness and house an energy beyond their own abilities.

I would say the disobediance by a small minority thus far has more to do with the consciousness that is manifesting itselt through the human bodies, rather than a flaw on their part in building blocks and limitation in the physical mind.


You would trust the word of a reptilian/demon to be honest?

It was not spoken conversation given to me freely. It was information obtained in my own failed symbiosis with one of these beings. I'm from what David calls a "Bloodline" or "Illuminati" line. For a bref moment during the process my mind and its mind were one, and I saw much regarding its view of itself, humanity, parts of what it knew. I do not believe this was information it gave to me intentionally, as its intent was for me to be a symbiotic being... what many call a reptilian shapeshifter... the merging of a pureblood reptilian with a bloodline human. I've covered this in the past on the fourm.

You are all unclear. What are they? Spirits, mortal creatures, something else?

Mortal creatures. They have psychic abilities and technology which might make them seem supernatural, and many have shifted permanantly off this dimension, but they are mortal beings.

[slayer of cliffracers]

No, I understand that your god and satan have the same origin and are two sides of the same coin. This is the game they have always played. Create both sides, control both sides who appear to oppose each other, to give the illusion of conflict and of choice to distract people and make them pick one side when you control both behind the scenes.

But how do you determine there is in fact an illusion? Adopt this mindset and what's makes you think that David Icke isn't playing the same game?

Point is, the Reptilians fit nearly perfectly the profile of the Demons in Christianity. If the shoe fits, then the shoe fits. They are the Demons of Christianity, which would imply that they are in fact against Christianity, by which I mean true Christianity.


How may truely defy them? Other than a few bumps which they delt with, the majority have always done as expected. I would say the only time you really see the genetic program breeched is when the consciousness/energy using the body for this experience wakes up a little.

Using your same logic, I would worship the same god you do without question if he in fact created me. I do not worship or respect this being at all, nor do I feel inclined to.


So they are afraid of being discovered? But as I mentioned, why would they need to hide if they created us in the first place? Given they are mortal biengs, then why not walk down the street and make everyone worship you and do whatever you ask?

Even if there is the small issue of the atmosphere, surely you can make a spacesuit for yourself.


It was not spoken conversation given to me freely. It was information obtained in my own failed symbiosis with one of these beings. I'm from what David calls a "Bloodline" or "Illuminati" line. For a bref moment during the process my mind and its mind were one, and I saw much regarding its view of itself, humanity, parts of what it knew. I do not believe this was information it gave to me intentionally, as its intent was for me to be a symbiotic being... what many call a reptilian shapeshifter... the merging of a pureblood reptilian with a bloodline human. I've covered this in the past on the fourm.


So you are saying you are one of the chosen bloodlines. Cool.

It sounds like you were offered the chance to become what is known as a 'Witch' in Christianity. Perhaps you are decieved in thinking you are uniting as an equal with the 'Reptilian'.

The problem we have here, is that the story as given to you does not pan out logically if the Reptilians are really flesh and blood beings. It pans out logically if they are Spiritual Demon beings though.

If they are Demons, then what you think you saw might well be what they want you to know, because they are out to decieve people into thinking what they want us to think.

They want you and everyone else to think they are our creators, because they want in a typical demonic sense to pass themselves off as gods.

But they are not, because our DNA isn't so special. It really isn't. We are animals of the same stock as the other animals really. Chimp DNA with a couple of missing Chromosones and a few minor differences.


Mortal creatures. They have psychic abilities and technology which might make them seem supernatural, and many have shifted permanantly off this dimension, but they are mortal beings.

If they were moral creatures, they would behave as such. They don't behave like mortal creatures, so they are not mortal creatures. They behave like demons, so they are demons in my book.

To 'possess' people and 'merge' with people, are traits of spiritual beings, not mortal ones.

[drakul]

So they are afraid of being discovered? But as I mentioned, why would they need to hide if they created us in the first place? Given they are mortal biengs, then why not walk down the street and make everyone worship you and do whatever you ask?

So you are saying you are one of the chosen bloodlines. Cool.

It sounds like you were offered the chance to become what is known as a 'Witch' in Christianity. Perhaps you are decieved in thinking you are uniting as an equal with the 'Reptilian'.

The problem we have here, is that the story as given to you does not pan out logically if the Reptilians are really flesh and blood beings. It pans out logically if they are Spiritual Demon beings though.

If they are Demons, then what you think you saw might well be what they want you to know, because they are out to decieve people into thinking what they want us to think.

They want you and everyone else to think they are our creators, because they want in a typical demonic sense to pass themselves off as gods.

But they are not, because our DNA isn't so special. It really isn't. We are animals of the same stock as the other animals really. Chimp DNA with a couple of missing Chromosones and a few minor differences.

If they were moral creatures, they would behave as such. They don't behave like mortal creatures, so they are not mortal creatures. They behave like demons, so they are demons in my book.

To 'possess' people and 'merge' with people, are traits of spiritual beings, not mortal ones.


Yes good points. To that I would add -

Why don't we LOOK more like Reptilians if they created us?

[measle_weasel]

Yes good points. To that I would add -

Why don't we LOOK more like Reptilians if they created us?

Well we sure dont look like apes.

ed- At least some of us dont....

ed- ed- But thats not saying that I think reptilians created us :)

[armoured_amazon]

If I were to speak freely, those that speak falsehoods would be revealed. I, however, choose to keep my counsel for personal reasons.

[johnthejedi24]

My opinion is that Reptilians may be the so called Demons of old lore, but not really in the Biblical sense of the word. Many of the account in the bible sound like modern day abduction/UFO scenarios and some reptilian encounters. The Bible was written/rewritten over hundreds of years by many different people, so who knows what was changed. Religion is just another way to control us, so these "demons" may not actually exist as we know them.

But I do believe that the Reptilian species does exist with the ability to shapeshift and cross other dimensions. Some are present on both this world and out in space and other Dimensions.;) I would like to meet one someday and depending on what happens in the coming years....you never know.:D

[exmicrochipmafia]

I just wrote a huge reply to this and it bounced me stating I was not logged in....I'm going to try again.

[exmicrochipmafia]

The original point posted has fascinated me for a long time. I think it may be a bit of both: Demons/Reptilian forces from another dimension..perhaps it's all one in the same kind of like hiding in plain sight and yet another control put upon us through centuries of indoctrination and domination.
There are other beings that exist out there; beings of light, love, compassion, healing, yet we cannot 'see' them or embrace them for our entire culture is based on violence, war, greed, mistrust, hatred, etc... disagree? Turn on the television and tell me what you see? Rarely do our heroes of compassion receive recognition..maybe a small article in a paper filled with the latest stock market crashes, battle stories, casualty reports, or a 30 second blurb on the news surrounded by stories of muggings, rapes, war, and so on...you get my point. It's like a native american question: There are two dogs inside you- one is evil and the other is good and they are fighting each other. Which one wins? The actual answer is "Whichever one I feed the most." You get what you feed the most, energy wise, and it encompasses this world. We as a society feed these negative energies and in turn are fed these negative energies and in the law of attraction, attract like energies (or in this case) beings of these energies and continue the endless cycle. Ancient shamans and medicine men/women KNOW that they need to approach from the path of love and commune with these entities/beings/spirits/aliens of love and compassion all for the greater good.
If you want to blow your mind, go on You Tube and look up videos on the 4th dimension...it's heavy stuff and some of it quite technical, but it basically surmises that 4th dimensional objects can only project shadows of themselves onto our 3rd dimensional plane. They cannot exist wholly of themselves in our 3d existence- only parts or rather the shadow. Just as we can only exist in a 2d world through our 2d shadow. Each level of dimension can only exist in the lower plane through it's shadow, or rather project itself into the lower dimension through it's shadow. Carl Sagan explains it better than myself <grin>.

As for the DNA database: I see terrible things coming of this; a lot like Logan's Run where somebody of power needs a new organ and they go through the list like a shopping order, and find the person with the most compatible dna profile and they are simply disappeared for the other person's gain.
-They also mapped the human genome- I think they're looking for certain characteristics, such as psychic ability, or perhaps something along the line of hitler's super-men or 'ubermensches' whereby there'd be some kind of covert breeding program put into place in order to create their 'perfect race.'
-There may be some good to it, in terms of identifying people who have gone missing, etc, but by in large more evil purposes outweighing the good.

Just a few of my thoughts.

[measle_weasel]

I just wrote a huge reply to this and it bounced me stating I was not logged in....I'm going to try again.

Ive done that before, on other message boards. I seem to remember taking two or three hours once, to write a post somewhere, and upon clicking send, an error occured and my post was lost. Since then, I have always, while writing a large and/or time consuming post, used ctrl-A, ctrl-C, every now and then to save my progress. Its actually paid off.

4th dimensional objects can only project shadows of themselves onto our 3rd dimensional plane. They cannot exist wholly of themselves in our 3d existence- only parts or rather the shadow. Just as we can only exist in a 2d world through our 2d shadow. Each level of dimension can only exist in the lower plane through it's shadow, or rather project itself into the lower dimension through it's shadow

Ive never really thought about it before, but this made perfect sense the first time I read it. You explained it well. What book does Sagan describe this in?

[runciter]

You mean Gnosticism? This MIGHT fall into that category, but they quickly wiped this out, made this spiritual figure into a physical being, renamed him "Jezues" after the Greek god Zues, rewrote all the writings to their own ends, changed the name of this faith to "Christianity" and made it an almost exact replicia of the religion of Osiris.


jesus is present in "gnostic" texts, in the beginning there wasn't a separation.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Ive done that before, on other message boards. I seem to remember taking two or three hours once, to write a post somewhere, and upon clicking send, an error occured and my post was lost. Since then, I have always, while writing a large and/or time consuming post, used ctrl-A, ctrl-C, every now and then to save my progress. Its actually paid off.



Ive never really thought about it before, but this made perfect sense the first time I read it. You explained it well. What book does Sagan describe this in?

I can't remember the book but I found the vid on YouTube.

[slayer of cliffracers]

Well we sure dont look like apes.

ed- At least some of us dont....

ed- ed- But thats not saying that I think reptilians created us

We don't look like Apes because we aren't Apes, but we have DNA that is very similar, but we lack 2 Chromosones of DNA that Apes have.

No Reptilians/Demons didn't create, they would like us to think that, but the sums don't add up.

We are just too similar to other creatures genetically to be 'alien' in any way. Our physical forms at the very least come from the general stock of the rest of the planet genetically.

[darketernal]

We don't look like Apes because we aren't Apes, but we have DNA that is very similar, but we lack 2 Chromosones of DNA that Apes have.

No Reptilians/Demons didn't create, they would like us to think that, but the sums don't add up.

We are just too similar to other creatures genetically to be 'alien' in any way. Our physical forms at the very least come from the general stock of the rest of the planet genetically.


I've given you the answer, take it or leave it.

I've little use for Christians or their religion, and I do not want their poison to be part of any world I create. Christianity, and all mainstream religions are a cancer to the body of humanity.

[drakul]

I've given you the answer, take it or leave it.

I've little use for Christians or their religion, and I do not want their poison to be part of any world I create. Christianity, and all mainstream religions are a cancer to the body of humanity.

What about (Godless) Communism that sacrificed 70 million innocents in Russia?

Previously you said Christianity is an almost exact duplication of the Egyptian religion of Osiris. WHY? I have visited the pyramids, Valley of Kings, Cairo Museum, etc. I've also read the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Egyptology has been a great source of fascination for most of my life.

[darketernal]

What about (Godless) Communism that sacrificed 70 million innocents in Russia?

Previously you said Christianity is an almost exact duplication of the Egyptian religion of Osiris. WHY? I have visited the pyramids, Valley of Kings, Cairo Museum, etc. I've also read the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Egyptology has been a great source of fascination for most of my life.

That is a perspective only someone brainwashed by religious beliefs would take, by lumping all who do not follow their faith to be lumped into one category (godless). I would suggest that the same forces which created Christianity, gave rise to communism. Both movements have the same hidden puppetmasters.

As for the problem with the worship of Osiris, its a far reaching system of control, that does not have your or my best interest in mind.

[drakul]

That is a perspective only someone brainwashed by religious beliefs would take, by lumping all who do not follow their faith to be lumped into one category (godless). I would suggest that the same forces which created Christianity, gave rise to communism. Both movements have the same hidden puppetmasters.

As for the problem with the worship of Osiris, its a far reaching system of control, that does not have your or my best interest in mind.

Are you saying Communism has/had GODS? Like Lenin or Stalin?

As for Osiris - I was interested to hear why you think Jesus/Christianity is an `almost exact replica of Osiris'. Please explain your statement.

[darketernal]

Are you saying Communism has/had GODS? Like Lenin or Stalin?

As for Osiris - I was interested to hear why you think Jesus/Christianity is an `almost exact replica of Osiris'. Please explain your statement.

No, I am saying the same hands that created Christianity created Communism.

There is such a massive amount of mainstream research on the Osiris-Jesus connection that I am amazed you asked this. I won't even bother with any of my own words, I googled "Oriris Jesus Comparison" and I will link a few of the sites that came up.

http://www.abcpsychic.com/JesusComparison.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Resurrection_of_Osiris.html

Here I linked the first 4 that came up on the search engine. Do your own research though.

[drakul]

No, I am saying the same hands that created Christianity created Communism.

There is such a massive amount of mainstream research on the Osiris-Jesus connection that I am amazed you asked this. I won't even bother with any of my own words, I googled "Oriris Jesus Comparison" and I will link a few of the sites that came up.

http://www.abcpsychic.com/JesusComparison.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Resurrection_of_Osiris.html

Here I linked the first 4 that came up on the search engine. Do your own research though.

Yes. I've read some of them. Also Acharya - The Christ Conspiracy, Zeitgeist etc. So you just parrot what they say without checking their sources? I mean you being `from an Illuminati bloodline' and all I thought you might have something to add or change for us unwashed masses.

So you just believe whatever they say - no questions or discussion? I would think it would be the other way around you being the fount of Illuminati knowledge. Especially since the vast majority of these so-called truthseeking authors haven't even been to Egypt - yet they claim - `Osiris was crucified' etc. Out of hundreds of thousands of Egyptian wall paintings not one shows Osiris crucified. But who cares about EVIDENCE - We don't need no fecking evidence'!

[darketernal]

Yes. I've read some of them. Also Acharya - The Christ Conspiracy, Zeitgeist etc. So you just parrot what they say without checking their sources? I mean you being `from an Illuminati bloodline' and all I thought you might have something to add or change for us unwashed masses.

So you just believe whatever they say - no questions or discussion? I would think it would be the other way around you being the fount of Illuminati knowledge. Especially since the vast majority of these so-called truthseeking authors haven't even been to Egypt - yet they claim - `Osiris was crucified' etc. Out of hundreds of thousands of Egyptian wall paintings not one shows Osiris crucified. But who cares about EVIDENCE - We don't need no fecking evidence'!


I'm sorry, I am not a conspiracy researcher. I've seen Zeitgeist however yes. However, no I do not spend much time researching conspiracies at all. Its really not that interesting to me, and I don't find much of it to be accurate, nor did any of those site appear to be conspiracy research related at first glance.

What evidence would you expect me to have for you? People gladly accept any lies as truth that their leaders, teachers, pastors, parents, etc hand to them with no evidence. A question was asked, and I answered. Do what you will with the information, but do not at a later date claim ignorance, nor of my former-relatives that none of their kind ever told you the truth. What you do with the information is not my concern.

All I have to offer you or anyone else who has questions is the knowledge I have. Its not my job to convince you of it, only to provide you information denied to the masses so that they must make choices of free will in ignorance. I don't care if the reptilians or illuminati kill you or not to be perfectly honest, as long as your free will is not infringed in the process and they have not violated you without permission. What I don't like is how they trick people into giving permission... and religion is one of the primary tools by which this is done. It is a cancer in the body of humanity.

[drakul]

I'm sorry, I am not a conspiracy researcher. I've seen Zeitgeist however yes. However, no I do not spend much time researching conspiracies at all. Its really not that interesting to me, and I don't find much of it to be accurate, nor did any of those site appear to be conspiracy research related at first glance.

What evidence would you expect me to have for you? People gladly accept any lies as truth that their leaders, teachers, pastors, parents, etc hand to them with no evidence. A question was asked, and I answered. Do what you will with the information, but do not at a later date claim ignorance, nor of my former-relatives that none of their kind ever told you the truth. What you do with the information is not my concern.

All I have to offer you or anyone else who has questions is the knowledge I have. Its not my job to convince you of it, only to provide you information denied to the masses so that they must make choices of free will in ignorance. I don't care if the reptilians or illuminati kill you or not to be perfectly honest, as long as your free will is not infringed in the process and they have not violated you without permission. What I don't like is how they trick people into giving permission... and religion is one of the primary tools by which this is done. It is a cancer in the body of humanity.

`The knowledge you have'? You make statements like Christianity is almost an exact copy of Osiris but you clearly have no evidence to back it up. YOU have been conned my friend. Because these `truthseekers' all parrot each other while offering virtually no EVIDENCE of their claims you have been deluded. Osiris is NOT anywhere near an exact replica of Jesus, as any Egyptologist/archeologist will tell you. Where are the carvings, wall paintings, statues of CRUCIFIED OSIRIS that they claim exist but NEVER show you in their books or videos???

Where are the ancient engravings, writings, statues, paintings, etc of CRUCIFIED KRISHNA or BUDDHA as the `truthseekers' claim there are but never show??? Nowhere. That's where.

[merlincove]

We don't look like Apes because we aren't Apes, but we have DNA that is very similar, but we lack 2 Chromosones of DNA that Apes have.

No Reptilians/Demons didn't create, they would like us to think that, but the sums don't add up.

We are just too similar to other creatures genetically to be 'alien' in any way. Our physical forms at the very least come from the general stock of the rest of the planet genetically.

My own mindset is that the human species is a genetically modified structure of species that was already prevelant on Earth 100,000 years or more ago.

Sitchins own view that mankind was genetically enginered from primates by the Anunaki is the closest thing that i have read that fits my own view, but that doesn't really cover all of it.

The missing link think in science - that fits also.

The DNA thing, all life on earth contains pretty much the same DNA? Am i right in thinking that a banana has almost the same dna code as humans, i may be wrong?

Whereas Sitchin belives that the Sumer tablets speak of genetic engineering by the Anunaki, i don't wholy go with that line. I don't know, i think life on earth was enginered for a specific purpose, and i don't think that that purpose was to dig for gold or be the slaves to a greater alien race.

But then we look at life on earth, mankind is a migratory species. The uk alone has the blood from many races running through it, saxonms, celts, norse, germanic, european, picts etc. America is the same, the gene pool is widely mixed. I think that Australia is the only continant to show any purity within its native culture?

Lif sprouted in Africa, we are led to believe and from there spread across the world. Maybe life on earth began in a similar way? Mankind may be the result of alien arrivals on earth, from sirius, arcturus, orion, a mix of many cultures that defined one dominant ape species through genetic manipulation into homo erectus and homo sapien?

[darketernal]

`The knowledge you have'? You make statements like Christianity is almost an exact copy of Osiris but you clearly have no evidence to back it up. YOU have been conned my friend. Because these `truthseekers' all parrot each other while offering virtually no EVIDENCE of their claims you have been deluded. Osiris is NOT anywhere near an exact replica of Jesus, as any Egyptologist/archeologist will tell you. Where are the carvings, wall paintings, statues of CRUCIFIED OSIRIS that they claim exist but NEVER show you in their books or videos???

Where are the ancient engravings, writings, statues, paintings, etc of CRUCIFIED KRISHNA or BUDDHA as the `truthseekers' claim there are but never show??? Nowhere. That's where.


And people wonder why those on the inside who would like to help your kind, or even try to put out information, don't bother for the most part.

I'm not a truthseeker. I'm not a conspiracy researcher.

You asked a question, and were given the answer. Do with it what you will. I'm not your mother or your school teacher. Its not my responsibility to make you believe it.

[eshtar]

Umm it is Horus not Osirus. Just wanted to make that clear. He was also born of a Virgin Isis.

[darketernal]

Umm it is Horus not Osirus. Just wanted to make that clear. He was also born of a Virgin Isis.

What is this I find in the snare I have laid, but my sister. Did I say anything about Osirus being crucified? I simply stated the Christianity is an extension of Osiris worship. I made no distinction between the aspects of the trinity. It doesn't matter really. All religions are the same at the end of the day.

So, I've been meaning to ask what brings you here? I smelled you when you first started posting.

[slayer of cliffracers]

My own mindset is that the human species is a genetically modified structure of species that was already prevelant on Earth 100,000 years or more ago.

Sitchins own view that mankind was genetically enginered from primates by the Anunaki is the closest thing that i have read that fits my own view, but that doesn't really cover all of it.


What is the basis for thinking we are genetically modified? What makes us so special than we need alien intervention to account for us?

We are unusually smart in a rather unique way, that is true, but the aliens to genetically modify us had to be smart too. Who modified the aliens?

[eshtar]

Smelled me? ya umm oook no comment on that. And what brings me here? to state the fact that what if there are starseeds that are Reptilian including Draco. How would they feel about you people claiming things about a whole race thats far from the acual truth? if you were a reptilian would you like it if people started spreadings things about your kind like say eating babies and drinking all this blood? I don't think you'd like that very well. Now imagin many people around the world beleive this how would you protect your children from such racisim worse then white VS Black? You'd have to worry about some fanatic killing your child just because he/she was a reptilian. Even a Hybrid. Now think of how these certain starbeings feel. I am here to at least say to people hey why don't you all think for a minute. your calling a whole race evil demonic beasts how would you like it is other beings said that about the human race? you'd be offended saying not all humans are as you claim. Well same exact thing. I like this forum but the amount of racisim and fear against reptilains is worse now then it was when i first came here.

[novymir]

Reptilians, demons, entities... I don't see much of a difference. By their Fruits, you shall Know them. I'm not a "Christian" or a religionist. I am my own "lord and savior", and I recognize no authority but the True Creator of Life.
My take on this, from another thread:

"To tell you the truth, I think we're trapped in a corrupted paradigm, the dream has been hijacked/invaded from outside of 3D reality(obviously), and the fundamental principles of the "evil" consciousness that is manipulating/seducing people away from the True Source of Life are the principles of the Predator/Parasite, "survival of the fittest", which predates Darwinism. There you go, we are stuck inside an existence based on harming/destroying life to survive/maintain Life(Consumerism). Why does the parasite need to suck the life-force out of another? Because it is trapped in a false-identity and therefore acts-out according to that identity, which consequently effectively disconnects one from the True Source of Life, and thereby seemingly necessitates continued predatory/parasitical thoughts and behavior. A self-perpetuating cycle that started with a mistake/error, compounded to the point of insanity. It expands through victimization, it is like a bacteria, in infection and reproduction.

"What is TRUTH?"
That which does not conflict/contradict with The Creative Spirit of Love-Forgiveness-LIFE=TRUTH.
Truth-Love-Forgiveness-LIFE are all interconnected and interchangeable, the rejection/cancelling of one results in the rejection/cancelling of all. The Essence of The Creator, The Spirit within.

"Pedophile" is another false-identity. Satanist is a false identity. Human is a false-identity. Anything based on illusion is a false-identity(the body is an illusion). But not all false-identities come into conflict with the True Creator. The key is to remember it is false, and align it with TRUTH.

We're all predator/parasites, and until we face it, and reject it, we're stuck here, with more of the same, worse and worse. That is the primary "possession". Do demons exist? Sure, but they can't do anything to you, as long as you know and live with TRUTH. They (and that consciousness) know your worst, deepest-dark fears, they injected them into your mind-- your mind is an illusion, get ready for them to be presented to you-- will you be able to deny giving them power? That would be good because they are going to seem very, very real, as real as you sitting at the computer reading this post or anything else you do in this 3D world. And that is the worst they can do. Unless you surrender.
We keep reincarnating here because we keep accepting the same lies.
There is a difference between an illusion built on lies/abuse and an illusion built on TRUTH-LOVE.
When people are labeled and negative stereo-typed guess what? If they accept it as their identity , which is what they are expected to do from "authorities/experts", and consequently society, THEY WILL MANIFEST THAT IDENTITY. Yes, all this classifying, statistical crap, in effect destroys the individual and FORCES them into a trap from which the only escape is rejection of that identity. "The Jews" are trapped in an anti-TRUTH identity , first they think they are "god's chosen ones" above everyone else, and then they think they are a race destined to exploit/abuse the "goyim". And what does Hitler do? He reinforces the race idea, only challenges it with a different race. Really bright idea there. If the "jews" are a race, and their character is determined by genetics, guess what, "they are the way they are", and cannot change without eventually suiciding the "race".

Hogwash, they are the way they are because they believe that is what they are. They are in ERROR. Jehovah/Yahwee/elohim/reptilians are demon-gods. I care not if they are responsible for genetic engineering/modifying this body and life on earth, they "created" nothing. Creation is a result of LOVE and LIFE, the atom bomb was not "created", it was the result of a perversion of the creative process, going through the motions, but putting pieces of a puzzle together with the spirit of death and destruction is not creation."
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=693313&postcount=201

[drakul]

Umm it is Horus not Osirus. Just wanted to make that clear. He was also born of a Virgin Isis.

Correct - it is HORUS whom the `truthseekers' claim was `born of a virgin' and crucified. However Isis was NOT a VIRGIN. Isis was already MARRIED to Osiris. Show me where Egyptian mythology states Isis was a virgin.

After Osiris was killed, Isis used a magic spell to bring Osiris back to life. At that time the LIVING Osiris impregnated Isis, then he died again. So Horus was NOT sired by a god but by a living person, Osiris the HUSBAND of Isis.

Osiris, Isis and Horus were ALL worshipped in Egypt.

While many agree that ancient Egypt contributed to the foundation beliefs of Christianity; I would say that the MORAL TEACHINGS of Egypt as found in the Book of the Dead had a much greater influence on Christianity than the myths of Osiris, Isis and Horus which bear only a very vague similarity.

eg:

* Horus was not born of a virgin - his mother Isis was MARRIED to Osiris who was brought back to life and impregnated her as a liviing man.
* Horus was not crucified
* Horus was the son of the king and queen of Egypt, not of humble people
* Horus is represented by an EYE the wedjet a symbol of POWER - which is also the symbol of the Illuminati/Freemasons. Christ is not.
* Horus is always shown as FALCON-headed and is represented by the falcon - Christ is not.
* Horus was a warrior who physically FOUGHT with Set for the THRONE of Egypt - Christ was a pacifist.
* Horus bestowed divinity upon the pharoahs - Christ did not support the Herodians or any other royal line
* Horus united Egypt - Christ was not about unification of Palestine or overthrowing the Romans

etc.etc.

[darketernal]

Smelled me? ya umm oook no comment on that. And what brings me here? to state the fact that what if there are starseeds that are Reptilian including Draco. How would they feel about you people claiming things about a whole race thats far from the acual truth? if you were a reptilian would you like it if people started spreadings things about your kind like say eating babies and drinking all this blood? I don't think you'd like that very well. Now imagin many people around the world beleive this how would you protect your children from such racisim worse then white VS Black? You'd have to worry about some fanatic killing your child just because he/she was a reptilian. Even a Hybrid. Now think of how these certain starbeings feel. I am here to at least say to people hey why don't you all think for a minute. your calling a whole race evil demonic beasts how would you like it is other beings said that about the human race? you'd be offended saying not all humans are as you claim. Well same exact thing. I like this forum but the amount of racisim and fear against reptilains is worse now then it was when i first came here.

You and I are both hybrids, don't skirt the issue. Who is accusing the entire species of being "evil"? You sound like Richard Boylan now.

I've certainly not spread hate or fear on this issue. Neither emotion solves the problem, they only make things worse. Accusing a branch of a species of something insidious is not racism, and even Icke has made his stance clear that there are reptilians who would like to help humanity.

[measle_weasel]

novymir: Reptilians, demons, entities... I don't see much of a difference.

I was just about to write that, after seeing this thread has been argued for more than 100 posts.

This is semantics, and its a waste of time. If an exterior force exists that is trying to harm the public, or use them for its own malevolent purpose, it doesnt matter what the hell one person or another person calls them. "By their Fruits, you shall Know them" is exactly correct. The name given these creatures is totally irrelevant, as long as the name adaquately expresses and has bound to it what these things represent. Both "reptilian", as it is used on this forum and others, and "demon", both insinuate pretty much the same thing; something that wants to subjugate you. Their methods are similar, as people have argued. Their intent is similar, as has been argued. Their appearance may even be similar. Maybe we should all just agree that whatever the labeling, the contents are the same.

[armoured_amazon]

I was just about to write that, after seeing this thread has been argued for more than 100 posts.

This is semantics, and its a waste of time. If an exterior force exists that is trying to harm the public, or use them for its own malevolent purpose, it doesnt matter what the hell one person or another person calls them. "By their Fruits, you shall Know them" is exactly correct. The name given these creatures is totally irrelevant, as long as the name adaquately expresses and has bound to it what these things represent. Both "reptilian", as it is used on this forum and others, and "demon", both insinuate pretty much the same thing; something that wants to subjugate you. Their methods are similar, as people have argued. Their intent is similar, as has been argued. Their appearance may even be similar. Maybe we should all just agree that whatever the labeling, the contents are the same.

:)

[runciter]

I was just about to write that, after seeing this thread has been argued for more than 100 posts.

This is semantics, and its a waste of time. If an exterior force exists that is trying to harm the public, or use them for its own malevolent purpose, it doesnt matter what the hell one person or another person calls them. "By their Fruits, you shall Know them" is exactly correct. The name given these creatures is totally irrelevant, as long as the name adaquately expresses and has bound to it what these things represent. Both "reptilian", as it is used on this forum and others, and "demon", both insinuate pretty much the same thing; something that wants to subjugate you. Their methods are similar, as people have argued. Their intent is similar, as has been argued. Their appearance may even be similar. Maybe we should all just agree that whatever the labeling, the contents are the same.

are they physical or non-physical entities? this is the question.

[armoured_amazon]

are they physical or non-physical entities? this is the question.

Heh, that's the bit no one agrees on :p

[darketernal]

are they physical or non-physical entities? this is the question.

Both.

[merlincove]

"By their Fruits, you shall Know them"

These words say it all, really. It doesn't matter then whether they are Human, Reptilian or human reptilian hybrids, whatever they are, by their fruits you shall know them. Every race will have its good and bad qualities. Within the human race we see such individuals as Hitler, Husein, Bush. All war lords in varying degrees, and yet if the human race were labelled due to these individuals' actions then we would all be tarred with the same brush.

I'm sure that not all rep's have a bad attitude toward humanity. i am sure also that there are star people out there who are exalted in light who help us tirelessly.

are they physical or non-physical entities? this is the question.

The hybrid races, or the bloodlines - direct descendants of the reps - are able to make the reptilian entity a physical being within our plane, i feel, through ritual and by creating a highly negative vibration - such as through sacrifice, murder, blood drinking, flesh eating. With such a highly charged negative vibration the reptilian entity can forge a hold within our 3D world, if only for a limited time. Hense Bohemian Grove and human sacrifice's such as Soham (in the woods right next to a military air field!) and maybe even the maddie case and others like it.

But in their none physical form i believe that the reps can manipulate certain human minds - minds that live in fear or minds that are surrounded by negativity allow themselves, in a way, to be open to these negative entities manipulation.

[sloughi]

I thought it was understood that they are demons. They can take different forms and all.

[mrindigo]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.


I disagree with some of your points, others I agree with.


The first thing I would question is what your image of 'aliens' are. I'm getting the impression that you think of little green men from mars in silver saucers are the blue-print for alien life. The term alien itself is very broad and can be used to loosely categorize anything deemed not of familiarity. Technically a group of humanoid beings from an alternate reality or plane, would be considered alien because of a lack of in depth knowledge and direct interaction, thus making them aliens as well.

In theory, not all aliens would need spaceships and death rays if you dissect the inner workings of quantum physics, quantum mechanics, and metaphysics. Why would a creature which is highly spiritually advanced even need a ship to travel with if they were on a high vibratory frequency and capable of bending the very laws of their existence; allowing them to bend light, space, time, and gravity on their plane? Spiritual advancement doesn't necessarily mean they're good either, because good and evil are really just creations of the human mind which varies per culture.

If you wanted to effectively enslave a group of beings, it would be wisest to have as little direct interaction as possible. Giving an illusion of freewill and control to them makes them more susceptible to slowly removing their spirituality, creativity, intellect, and freewill. Rushing in with guns blazing would not be very effective, as humanity is a stubborn species who would fight back rather than give in. What good are dead slaves?

As for the Bible itself (and most other religious texts), I don't mean to offend anyone, but I see most of what is in it as largely metaphor to explain things in simple familiar recognizable terms, rather than being literal. If there were indeed giant reptilian overlords way back when, as is looking probable, chances are most early humans lacked the knowledge and understanding to truly comprehend what they were, where they were from, and what their goals were. The term demon to me, simply categorizes other super intelligent creatures by our own comparison, into a group which would ease the mind and understanding of a common person. What they saw as supernatural and evil may have just been advanced technology or advanced psychic abilities honed on a higher vibratory freqency. It's in humanity's nature to fear and sometimes hate the unknown, thus deeming things evil or demonic.

I may be wrong, but I always like keeping several possible angles to a given topic in consideration. Wonderful post too by the way, I like it when people question things rather than accepting them outright. :D

[clive w]

Btw: Icke mentioned often that this reptilian entities also get called "demons" by christianity... he don´t miss that point. ;)

[merlincove]

Btw: Icke mentioned often that this reptilian entities also get called "demons" by christianity... he don´t miss that point. ;)

i think we see what we instinctively believe in.

a friend of mine who is a scientist tried to debunk the loch ness monster myth many years ago and he pointed something out to me, described it in such a way that made perfect sense. After he'd been to the loch and set up motion detectors all over the place, interviewed everyone etc he declared his own conviction that the whole thing had been a ruse - even the guys who had taken pictures that appeared in the paper told him so, that they'd rigged the whole photo shot and then sold their story to the papers. He collected all the equipment and packed it all away and went for a beer in the local pub as it was his last night in scotland. As he was driving back to the hotel with his friend he noticed a movement in the water and stopped the car, and there he saw the loch ness monster sculling around in the shallows for fish. He watched it for 20 minutes.

He's also seen many ufo's as an ex air force pilot.

What he said though is that all the unidentified mysteries we see, UFO's, loch ness monster, big foot, demons, etc etc and whatever are 'just' manifestations of energy and we associate them with our mindset. Energy manifesting in the sky = ufo. Energy at loch ness = loch ness monster. The Same energy in the himalaya's = yeti, in kansas = big foot etc.

So perhaps we view the reps as reps when we associate the energy with reps, those indoctrined into the church will see them as demons, but then demons and reps can look quite alike? 100 years ago they would manifest to people as vampires, 70 odd years ago aliens.

Is it all one energy being decoded by our own senses then? And if so are we then doctrined / manipulated / prorammed to see reptilians or are they actually reps? Hmm deep.

[siphon880di]

I believe these aliens, greys, reptilians whatnot are demons, because I had called Jesus Christ or God on them and every time they had to vanish. It's been said that higher spiritual beings like Jesus have authority over demons. Practically, if they appear you need to call out for Jesus several times - calling out once doesn't work.

[danoli3]

I've heard David say 'demon's or what have you' in regards to Reptillians <D:

Wish i could remember it exactly...

[turbine]

Reptilians and demons = same thing.

[merlincove]

I believe these aliens, greys, reptilians whatnot are demons, because I had called Jesus Christ or God on them and every time they had to vanish. It's been said that higher spiritual beings like Jesus have authority over demons. Practically, if they appear you need to call out for Jesus several times - calling out once doesn't work.


Jesus is a fantastic energy to call upon in times of crisis, dream scape or mind scape terrors and demons / negative entities can not stand to be near the love and light of his immortal power. I have often had Christ stand beside me without asking for him to be there, what a fantastic energy he has.

once i was threatened by a vampire, last year actually, and Christ Michael and Azrael came in, and Christ said that this was The Trinity. It was a wonderful thing to be stood in the centre of that triangle. The vamp didn't hang about too long :cool:
At times when i go to peoples houses who are suffering with a possession or a haunting or what ever you want to call it, i ask for Archangel Michael to walk in there with me, and i ask very reverently, with hounour and respect and he is always there as an ally. One time i walked into a house that a friend had ask me to bless, and a demon came roaring down the stairs at me, i didn't have time to be reverant and respectful etc, i just said Michael i need you now, or something with perhaps a little more urgency, and he was there instantly. Everything was alright.

But the thing to remember is that They (Christ etc) can only help if we ask it of them, they can not help without our request, this is how i understand it. Otherwise it may be seen inthe higher realms as interfering, and they i feel that they can't directly interfere with our lives unless asked to do so.

Demons / reppies etc work differently (obviously) in that they take and do what they want and can. And those higher beings can then stop that once we ask.

[stfd]

That's right.



I wholly agree.

Hi AA !

Long time no see , how you've been ?

[siphon880di]

But the thing to remember is that They (Christ etc) can only help if we ask it of them, they can not help without our request, this is how i understand it. Otherwise it may be seen inthe higher realms as interfering, and they i feel that they can't directly interfere with our lives unless asked to do so.

Demons / reppies etc work differently (obviously) in that they take and do what they want and can. And those higher beings can then stop that once we ask.

This is why I believe the satanic-ritual-performing Illuminati denies religion and spirituality in the mainstream public, or they make you think only people with gifts apparently channel spirits. By denying both fractions, some people who are genuinely attack don't know where to go and might even think they're crazy. The Illuminati doesn't want us to know that we can ask for help.

[merlincove]

There are also those who say that asking for help makes us weak, i believe that asking for help requires a strength, not only because it allows us to see and think outside the program and outside the box.

respect :)

[disorder2k8]

I read David Icke's book the other day and noted that the way the so-called Reptilians are held to behave doesn't resemble actual 'aliens' at all but resembles that of the Demons of say Christianity, they don't appear in intersteller space-ships and so on, but possess people from a spiritual dimension.

Actual High-Tech aliens wouldn't need to bother with all this Conspiricy Stuff, they could simply openly take over the Earth by force in a few months with their high-tech weaponry. The reason the Reptilians don't do so, is they don't have any high-weaponry, because they aren't even material beings inherantly.

I think David Icke due to rejecting religion is looking for a naturalistic explanation for the 'Reptilians' as being aliens, when actually they aren't aliens at all but simply Demons. He does to avoid admitting the obvious, that he is not dealing with flesh and blood but with the 'spiritual rulers of the darkness of the world' as St. Paul put it and consequently admitting that religion was right all along.

The Reptilians/Demons possess people as Demons possess people. There are degrees of possession, when possession is complete the Demon physically manifests itself on the material plane as a 'Reptilian'.

Demons choose that form because like it says in Genesis the serpants were forced to 'crawl on their belly and eat dust'. So what better form to physically take than that of a 'Reptilian', thus mocking the curse that was supposadly placed upon them.

Unless they manifest totally and become obviously demonic, they don't have total control over their victims but must disguise themselves, perhaps even as 'God' in the mind of the victim. Their victims in this state are shepherded to positions of power, so that they may carry out the will of their masters on earth, spreading death, evil and misery.

George Bush etc, don't know they are Reptilians/Demons. Because they have no consciousness when they are fully possessed and take Reptilian forms, since they are 'replaced' physically. However they are nearly fully controlled by the Demons/Reptilians.

The need to manifest enough to control their victims completely while avoiding fully manifesting and so obviously being reptilian, is the primery concern of the Demons. As in mantaining control over particular families and ensuring the continuity of those families.

Because possession is like hacking a computer, you have to know the persons security codes. Now those security codes are inherited from your parents, therefore it is easier to possess the children of someone both of whose parents already possessed, since you know the codes of both of them you can easier work out what 'digits' the childs security codes will consist of.

For this reason unnatural in-breeding and incest are highly encouraged and natural inter-racial marraiges discouraged, since the more genetic difference there is between the parents, the more the combined security system of the child will be different from both of them even if you possess both parents.

It is crucial that 'genetic novelty' be discouraged as much as possible especially in the demoniac elite families, because the greater the genetic difference between a child and both their parents, the harder it is to possess the child in the same manner as their parents.

read Allies of Humanity, they would not use force because that is a waste of resources, they would rather subvert the population and have them join the collective as workers and cannon fodder

exactly what is happening now

[mauviene]

Someone probably already answered this but uh, I didnt want to read the whole damn thread.

So basically, "demons" or whatever medieval terminology you want to use are what the myths called them and unfortunately still do in the 21st century with all our knowledge that we have. But, according to icke, whom I didn't used to believe until I had experience myself with such, says that they are actually beings, who are so advanced that they can shift into "inner space dimensions" or where manifested in "inner space dimensions." Since reality is not at all like the more suppressing religions portray it to be..it is actually more like the buddhistic expression of such. Which in modern terminolgy, is actually like a super computer made of energy we call consciousness that manifestes itself in different expressions ad infinitum.. beyond the cosmos of our imagination..

So in reality yall need to realize humans aint shit aight...angels and demons are manifestations of consciousness just like us..they are just more advanced..but were all god you see..we just have material bodies.

fuck if I know why

[siphon880di]

Someone probably already answered this but uh, I didnt want to read the whole damn thread.

So basically, "demons" or whatever medieval terminology you want to use are what the myths called them and unfortunately still do in the 21st century with all our knowledge that we have. But, according to icke, whom I didn't used to believe until I had experience myself with such, says that they are actually beings, who are so advanced that they can shift into "inner space dimensions" or where manifested in "inner space dimensions." Since reality is not at all like the more suppressing religions portray it to be..it is actually more like the buddhistic expression of such. Which in modern terminolgy, is actually like a super computer made of energy we call consciousness that manifestes itself in different expressions ad infinitum.. beyond the cosmos of our imagination..

So in reality yall need to realize humans aint shit aight...angels and demons are manifestations of consciousness just like us..they are just more advanced..but were all god you see..we just have material bodies.

fuck if I know why

That's my version of demons. They're interdimensional. I wish I had cleared this up earlier.

You know, the physical world is so small compared to the interdimensional realms we hear about. There are different dimensions there. The physical world is what they called a Closed System in physics: Mass/Energy is not created or destroyed. Because e=mc^2, light, energy, and mass do not leave the physical world, nor do they get created after the physical world was created. Energy/mass just converts between each other. Also, since we can measure all of the energy and matter (the physical stuff that makes us and the world around us), then we can assume this.

Thinking of the physical world like a cup in a pottery room, whatever is in the cup is artificially created. I believe this physical world, along with evolution is artificially created, and that our souls are trapped like the Freemasons/Illuminati presented in the Matrix.

[dlb2007]

What if Ike's Reptilians are simply Demons?

I thought that was widely understood be the case for those on the inner circles of the conspiracy theory. The sheeple are the ones who percieve them to be "lizard people"

[siphon880di]

I thought that was widely understood be the case for those on the inner circles of the conspiracy theory. The sheeple are the ones who percieve them to be "lizard people"

I came to understand this on my own because of astral abduction experiences. Nice to know.

[measle_weasel]

I thought that was widely understood be the case for those on the inner circles of the conspiracy theory. The sheeple are the ones who percieve them to be "lizard people"

Do you have any more information on this? I have never heard this to be the case.

[dainis bophary]

I thought that was widely understood be the case for those on the inner circles of the conspiracy theory. The sheeple are the ones who percieve them to be "lizard people"

:confused:

Was that sarcasm? because if it wasn't, i would disagree and say it's the other way around, that it's brainwashed religous groups who believe in demons and have a close minded view of reality.

Interesting Tidbit: Where did the term "sheeple" come from?

some attribute it to earlier writings by Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, who was evidently somewhat prone to using the term.
:rolleyes:
http://www.allwords.com/word-sheeple.html

[mauviene]

That's my version of demons. They're interdimensional. I wish I had cleared this up earlier.

You know, the physical world is so small compared to the interdimensional realms we hear about. There are different dimensions there. The physical world is what they called a Closed System in physics: Mass/Energy is not created or destroyed. Because e=mc^2, light, energy, and mass do not leave the physical world, nor do they get created after the physical world was created. Energy/mass just converts between each other. Also, since we can measure all of the energy and matter (the physical stuff that makes us and the world around us), then we can assume this.

Thinking of the physical world like a cup in a pottery room, whatever is in the cup is artificially created. I believe this physical world, along with evolution is artificially created, and that our souls are trapped like the Freemasons/Illuminati presented in the Matrix.

Haha you know, that one "insider" hoax or whatever..or the more "gnostic" view of reality asserts this to be. It is believed by some that we are in hell right now, that we are actually energy beings trapped in matter for some mysterious karmic reason..and the archons in the gnostic texts (or what modern terminology calls reptilians) govern this realm with the consent of the creator and allow those to pass on to the higher dimensions once they freed their burdens (or karma if you will).

[mauviene]

I thought that was widely understood be the case for those on the inner circles of the conspiracy theory. The sheeple are the ones who percieve them to be "lizard people"

Well, with our modern understanding of science..we no longer need to call a mysterious entity an angel or a demon..we call them an inter-dimensional reptilian..or a entity of light..ghosts and spirits are a thing of the past man..

[siphon880di]

Haha you know, that one "insider" hoax or whatever..or the more "gnostic" view of reality asserts this to be. It is believed by some that we are in hell right now, that we are actually energy beings trapped in matter for some mysterious karmic reason..and the archons in the gnostic texts (or what modern terminology calls reptilians) govern this realm with the consent of the creator and allow those to pass on to the higher dimensions once they freed their burdens (or karma if you will).

I came to the exact belief, but I didn't read up on gnostic views. I believe we are trapped here because I can't iron out the conflicts between the theory of evolution and the whole soul thing. Yet I believe in both concepts from experience. I believe that our souls/collective consciousness is trapped here, and earth was designed so for evolution to make the humans that fit the best image of the souls/collective consciousness. Earth was literally waiting for humanity to emerge from evolution (ironically we are destroying the planet, but I'm sure there will be another global catastrophic activity that decomposes/reabsorbs back all the solution/organic makeup for earth).

First of all, there is mast evidence for evolution that I have personally seen and touched. Fungi, plants, animals, humans: evidence in the DNA and anatomy pretty much exist on how a single cell developed into the life we see today. rRNA which belongs to the ribosomes that construct the proteins that make up every physical part of the organism, has a sequence that changes linearly from the first single cell organism to ancient sea creatures, their current descendants, and from sea creatures to mammalians, to mammalians to primates, and finally to humans. Some evidence for primates evolving into humans were lost because of the global climate flunctuations. But the rRNA showed that the same amount of change that would be expected.

But secondly, I know we have souls because I use to have psychic experiences when I was much younger. Those abilities of sensing the future when there are no clues from the present, influencing the future for opportunities to come to you, etc which I experienced on a daily basis, were something beyond the normal physiology of the brain and body. From learning physiology, I know that every bit of cognitive ability is from different parts of the body, including making sense of an object visually or just by touching, making judgements, and imagination. Furthermore, imagination does not reflect you are separate from the brain and body; It is influenced by cultural and personality memes which are developed since childhood. BUT, I use to be able to sense the truth with gut feelings, which have not been conditioned from the past like imagination is, and I did not see any patterns leading to the truth - I could just know from tapping into gut feelings and synapses. I use to show off my "magick tricks" in school when people became to know me. Unfortunately, I suppressed my abilities one day because I was heavily discouraged what life was about by the indoctrination that is school. Life has been normal ever since, except for the astral abductions that started after I lost my psychic senses.

As for Hell, I do not believe that subscribing to the gnostic view necessarily implies there is Hell. For all I know, the agenda for the end of days when the "aliens" / interdimensional shapeshifters appear, is to trick our souls into extinction. If you put it either way, Hell or extinction, these interdimensional beings are selfish demons that the Illuminati worships privately (in-family traditions, secret meetings, etc) and publically (flashing hand, digital, and architectural symbols at you).

Reptilians - I have seen before I even read about them, watched V, or startrek (I haven't watch startrek or starwars to this day). After experiencing them in my sleep paralysis on a daily basis after I suppressed my abilities, I look them up sarcastically on google and found out that they were interdimensional/underground/space aliens. I also saw the exact greys that appeared wearing strange ritual robes. For a while I believe in aliens or at least interdimensional spirits. Then the attack increased in intensity and they were sucking the life force out of me, so I intuitively called out Jesus. I just had a sense that I was losing some substance that gave me a healthier connection with my brain and body. This would always end the attacks. The reptilians and grays slowly disappear from my life, replaced by demonic creatures. Calling Jesus has the same effect.

Even if I conditioned myself to believe the aliens were demons, then why was it effective to call Jesus in the first place? I also found that Jesus is more effective than any other phrase. I remember in the early days, I would just tell myself to wake up or try to move my body out of the paralysis, but it was more slowly to work than calling out Jesus. Sometimes just trying by yourself instead of calling out Jesus makes the experience harder to break out of. People can argue sleep paralysis is just a chemical/physiological built in system. Lets not forget that many LSD users have seen pretty much the same stuff including reptilian-like beings that are almost always mean in intent. LSD can be likened to sleep paralysis where the phenomenon also connects your astral self to the otherly realms, that perhaps can mess with your etheric body, or at least have your life force sucked out of you by parasites. Life force being sucked out makes you unhealthy, unbalanced (vestibular or not), tired, exhausted and even sexually aggravated or repressed. You might argue that perhaps the two are still chemical/physiological built in system, and that reptilian aliens are an archetype that our unconscious perceives as the unknown and threatening . Then ask yourself why the monsters that film directors try to portray as symbols of the unknown and threatening aren't reptilian.

I believe that there are no good shapeshifting evidence because you can't record light that is nonphysical in origin. It's not an electronegative light so no equipment will be able to record it. The youtube evidence of the eye-shifting are laughable of course because you can see the same results if the conditions are right when you record yourself. The shapeshifting is nonphysically an interdimensional being that overlays the human. I call them demons because they are evil in their intent to lure human souls away from something in the final days when the physical and nonphysical are mashed, or their energy source is stuck in this world, be it by God or the natural cycles of this world (there were demons/reptilians in the ancient world as portrayed by artifacts in different parts of the world, so they had appeared perhaps in a previous cycle). Hollywood, conspiracy theorists, and science all have a shared propaganda with these interdmensional beings to portray the likelihood that aliens are possible. The interdimensional beings / demons can shapeshift to anything they want, but they prefer to take one of the alien forms like reptilians and greys because they have a purpose.

As for calling out Jesus working, I do not know. I'm more going towards Christianity, or some form of it that involves Jesus, is true. They can't completely wipe out Jesus from the collection of books that make up the Gospel if he appears in almost every book.

[greydove]

The definition of evil is subjective. On the point of a religion note being allowed to exist there are a few religions that have been going quite a long time, Christianity for instance, part of the Abrahamic faith family.
We keep hearing about deceiving, the devil deceiving, demons deceiving, it would appear that everything negative is blamed on said reptilians and other beings which, to be honest, are pretty easy to blame since one cannot prove or disprove a negative.

Since human beings are inherently good by their base instincts then without any outside influence they would therefore be non sentient creatures, incapable of higher functioning decision making capabilities. To have a decision making capability a human being must be able to move beyond the instinctive ie, move away from perceived danger, move towards food, be aware only of their surroundings and basic needs for survival. Should this definition of inherent goodness be the natural human state therefore the default human condition is an inert, instictive creature.

Actually there is a universal definition of evil. It is: interfering with the free will of another being.

The truth of each being having the right to pursue their own path is a universal truth. Both humans, and unfortunately demons (both aspects of the creator experiencing itself) are experiencing and learning as each goes along the spiritual ladder. We are each allowed the freedom to choose our path.

When another being interferes with that choice, either through deception or something else, they have done a great evil.

Don't kid yourself. Evil exists. Objectively. Those who perform it will fail. Sorry. :)

[serpentseed]

I would say that they can be both astral and etheric beings just as we are as a species. Things that stray from other vibrational planes of existence such as other planets can be of either positive negative of neutral intent and when they find themselves stranded may be invoked into other host entities.

This is what is practised in a lot of ritual magical systems and early religions especially egypt and babylon.

Hence angels and demons can be of both streams and can be extra terrestrial in origin.

[dedicate]

I've been waiting for someone to point this out -- The Reptile phenomena is actually a demonic phenomena. The Reptiles are Demons. -- not extra-terrestrials, not inter-dimentional travelers.. but actual malevolent spirit entities.

I've known this for quite sometime. I hope it gets more press.

[siphon880di]

I've been waiting for someone to point this out -- The Reptile phenomena is actually a demonic phenomena. The Reptiles are Demons. -- not extra-terrestrials, not inter-dimentional travelers.. but actual malevolent spirit entities.

I've known this for quite sometime. I hope it gets more press.

I've been trying to make people aware of this but it's hard. People get stuck on the alien theme that's been pressed on us by Hollywood and conpisracy circles. I started realizing that they're demons, and I've been sayin they're demons on this board, and I'm also posting videos on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/humanbatteries911
I want to find other youtube directors/video makers that are showing this same message.

My other computer shortcircuited with the video edit files so Im very discouraged about making more videos. The second to last video "Update: Aliens and Demons" explains my experience with reptilians, greys, and demons just briefly. I'll try to post more videos on it in the future.

[dedicate]

Yes. My understanding is demons are not possessing these bodies, but these humans are actual demons. -- there may be possession, but that looks a lot like insanity and is something else. We are not talking about possession, but ones who are "Wolves in sheep clothing"

[measle_weasel]

I've been waiting for someone to point this out -- The Reptile phenomena is actually a demonic phenomena. The Reptiles are Demons. -- not extra-terrestrials, not inter-dimentional travelers.. but actual malevolent spirit entities.

I've known this for quite sometime. I hope it gets more press.

I have said similar to this in posts in this thread

[tootrue]

I too believe there is a direct connection between reptilians and demons
There is some connection between demonic posession and 'reptilian' shapeshifting

[siphon880di]

Which is perfect reason why Illluminati performs demonic rituals and give off the horn signs.

[fromthatshow]

Reptilians, demons, call them whatever you want.
They are fragmented parts of ourselves, and until every being in the universe is united, you will still suffer. The only way to unite every being is through forgiveness. This is a dreamworld and so the scary beings aren't real. All that is required is that we forgive ourselves for believing in the dream.

[dedicate]

"Reptilians, demons, call them whatever you want." -- I'm not going to call them "money" and I'm not going to call them "shoe". I'm going to call them what most accurately describes the thing we are talking about. You though can call them "shoe" if you like.


"They are fragmented parts of ourselves," -- ? That may or may not be true. What do you mean?


"and until every being in the universe is united, you will still suffer." --- We will continue to suffer no matter what. There will always be suffering and war and pain in this universe, -- until the great assimilation into nothingness. Nothing can be changed about that. And, in some sense,, we are united, and there is no disunity. Trying to "unite" only creates disunity.


"The only way to unite every being is through forgiveness." The Demons are forgiven. I love them. -- but I wouldn't want them in charge of my government. Would you?

"This is a dreamworld and so the scary beings aren't real. All that is required is that we forgive ourselves for believing in the dream." -- Then what do you have? A new dream. Maybe it is not so much this life is a dream, but that dream is the reality. Even if I were to realize this world is a dream we would still have the Reality of the Dream to deal with, others who are caught in the dream, and who believe in the reality of Death.

[tootrue]

Reptilians, demons, call them whatever you want.
They are fragmented parts of ourselves, and until every being in the universe is united, you will still suffer. The only way to unite every being is through forgiveness. This is a dreamworld and so the scary beings aren't real. All that is required is that we forgive ourselves for believing in the dream.

Agreed :)

[amethyst]

I came to the exact belief, but I didn't read up on gnostic views. I believe we are trapped here because I can't iron out the conflicts between the theory of evolution and the whole soul thing. Yet I believe in both concepts from experience. I believe that our souls/collective consciousness is trapped here, and earth was designed so for evolution to make the humans that fit the best image of the souls/collective consciousness. Earth was literally waiting for humanity to emerge from evolution (ironically we are destroying the planet, but I'm sure there will be another global catastrophic activity that decomposes/reabsorbs back all the solution/organic makeup for earth).

First of all, there is mast evidence for evolution that I have personally seen and touched. Fungi, plants, animals, humans: evidence in the DNA and anatomy pretty much exist on how a single cell developed into the life we see today. rRNA which belongs to the ribosomes that construct the proteins that make up every physical part of the organism, has a sequence that changes linearly from the first single cell organism to ancient sea creatures, their current descendants, and from sea creatures to mammalians, to mammalians to primates, and finally to humans. Some evidence for primates evolving into humans were lost because of the global climate flunctuations. But the rRNA showed that the same amount of change that would be expected.

But secondly, I know we have souls because I use to have psychic experiences when I was much younger. Those abilities of sensing the future when there are no clues from the present, influencing the future for opportunities to come to you, etc which I experienced on a daily basis, were something beyond the normal physiology of the brain and body. From learning physiology, I know that every bit of cognitive ability is from different parts of the body, including making sense of an object visually or just by touching, making judgements, and imagination. Furthermore, imagination does not reflect you are separate from the brain and body; It is influenced by cultural and personality memes which are developed since childhood. BUT, I use to be able to sense the truth with gut feelings, which have not been conditioned from the past like imagination is, and I did not see any patterns leading to the truth - I could just know from tapping into gut feelings and synapses. I use to show off my "magick tricks" in school when people became to know me. Unfortunately, I suppressed my abilities one day because I was heavily discouraged what life was about by the indoctrination that is school. Life has been normal ever since, except for the astral abductions that started after I lost my psychic senses.

As for Hell, I do not believe that subscribing to the gnostic view necessarily implies there is Hell. For all I know, the agenda for the end of days when the "aliens" / interdimensional shapeshifters appear, is to trick our souls into extinction. If you put it either way, Hell or extinction, these interdimensional beings are selfish demons that the Illuminati worships privately (in-family traditions, secret meetings, etc) and publically (flashing hand, digital, and architectural symbols at you).

Reptilians - I have seen before I even read about them, watched V, or startrek (I haven't watch startrek or starwars to this day). After experiencing them in my sleep paralysis on a daily basis after I suppressed my abilities, I look them up sarcastically on google and found out that they were interdimensional/underground/space aliens. I also saw the exact greys that appeared wearing strange ritual robes. For a while I believe in aliens or at least interdimensional spirits. Then the attack increased in intensity and they were sucking the life force out of me, so I intuitively called out Jesus. I just had a sense that I was losing some substance that gave me a healthier connection with my brain and body. This would always end the attacks. The reptilians and grays slowly disappear from my life, replaced by demonic creatures. Calling Jesus has the same effect.

Even if I conditioned myself to believe the aliens were demons, then why was it effective to call Jesus in the first place? I also found that Jesus is more effective than any other phrase. I remember in the early days, I would just tell myself to wake up or try to move my body out of the paralysis, but it was more slowly to work than calling out Jesus. Sometimes just trying by yourself instead of calling out Jesus makes the experience harder to break out of. People can argue sleep paralysis is just a chemical/physiological built in system. Lets not forget that many LSD users have seen pretty much the same stuff including reptilian-like beings that are almost always mean in intent. LSD can be likened to sleep paralysis where the phenomenon also connects your astral self to the otherly realms, that perhaps can mess with your etheric body, or at least have your life force sucked out of you by parasites. Life force being sucked out makes you unhealthy, unbalanced (vestibular or not), tired, exhausted and even sexually aggravated or repressed. You might argue that perhaps the two are still chemical/physiological built in system, and that reptilian aliens are an archetype that our unconscious perceives as the unknown and threatening . Then ask yourself why the monsters that film directors try to portray as symbols of the unknown and threatening aren't reptilian.

I believe that there are no good shapeshifting evidence because you can't record light that is nonphysical in origin. It's not an electronegative light so no equipment will be able to record it. The youtube evidence of the eye-shifting are laughable of course because you can see the same results if the conditions are right when you record yourself. The shapeshifting is nonphysically an interdimensional being that overlays the human. I call them demons because they are evil in their intent to lure human souls away from something in the final days when the physical and nonphysical are mashed, or their energy source is stuck in this world, be it by God or the natural cycles of this world (there were demons/reptilians in the ancient world as portrayed by artifacts in different parts of the world, so they had appeared perhaps in a previous cycle). Hollywood, conspiracy theorists, and science all have a shared propaganda with these interdmensional beings to portray the likelihood that aliens are possible. The interdimensional beings / demons can shapeshift to anything they want, but they prefer to take one of the alien forms like reptilians and greys because they have a purpose.

As for calling out Jesus working, I do not know. I'm more going towards Christianity, or some form of it that involves Jesus, is true. They can't completely wipe out Jesus from the collection of books that make up the Gospel if he appears in almost every book.

Hi Siphon,

are you familiar with these websites?:

http://www.alienresistance.org/index.htm

http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm

http://www.ancientofdays.net/

They have some personal accounts of alien abduction that sound like your story.

[siphon880di]

No I'm not. Thanks for the links.

[armoured_amazon]

Reptilians, demons, call them whatever you want.
They are fragmented parts of ourselves, and until every being in the universe is united, you will still suffer. The only way to unite every being is through forgiveness. This is a dreamworld and so the scary beings aren't real. All that is required is that we forgive ourselves for believing in the dream.

Demons do not benefit from forgiveness, nor is it relevant to humankind to 'forgive' them, imo

[michael christopher]

Demons do not benefit from forgiveness, nor is it relevant to humankind to 'forgive' them, imo

If you are unable to forgive them for their own ignorance, then it means on some level you are unable to forgive yourself for past mistakes. This inability links you inextricably with your own personal demons. If you cannot forgive even those who wish to do you harm, then you will permanently find yourself in bondage with those entities.

[tootrue]

Demons do not benefit from forgiveness, nor is it relevant to humankind to 'forgive' them, imo

So, what do you know about these so-called demons, armoured_amazon? :)

[tootrue]

If you are unable to forgive them for their own ignorance, then it means on some level you are unable to forgive yourself for past mistakes. This inability links you inextricably with your own personal demons. If you cannot forgive even those who wish to do you harm, then you will permanently find yourself in bondage with those entities.

So, would you say there's a link between state of mind and the existence of 'demons'?

[pitong]

Hi everyone, I'm new here and I haven't read all this stuff, but I know one thing: Demons from the Bible are NOT Reptilians. It's Reptilians who are the demons. Unimaginably smart and crafty like hell... That's why most of people don't believe in NWO and if so, they're deceived by all propaganda and disinformation and think: Oh, there are the aliens, good - pleiadians and bad-reptilians etc. But why you didn't notice that this galactic government or smth like that about which Mr. Icke talk is nothing else but new world order, but many times multiplied- one intergalactic globalism and communism

[thecreatorrocks]

Interesting thread.

If the reptilians really are so tall and powerful they would have enslaved humans long ago.

We live on a free-will planet and the only way the reptilians could interact would be through the permission of humans. The illuminists are using this media hype to take the blame away from themselves when the Siit goes down.

I have personal experience with "daemons" or entities. Unfortunately you dont need to give your permission for them to attach to you. If your energy field is open and unprotected through trauma or grief they can "jump on". Sadly this is what happened to myself. What I found was that this "thing" wanted me dead rather than possession. If I died it would probably have tried to get my soul.

Luckily I am strong and I got through. It was horrible though and took me a long time to recover. I did note however it used to snort like a pig. These dark ones have not been human. When I remove attachments from people or places I can quickly tell the difference between lost souls(human souls discarnate) and entities. The latter are far more difficult to remove as a rule.

Reptilians are positive and negative. We all have some reptilian dna, we are a mixture of lots or different races, however they cannot "rule the illuminists" as there is too much free will here. Now, the grays in physical here on earth I believe they may be biorobots created by the illuminists to abduct and put fear in people.

Why do you think they have allowed this site to continue? They enjoy the confusion and the decoys. They being humans very much conscious of what they are doing. They are not as powerful as people are saying, they just want us to believe it.

The truth is, we humans have to make the change and if we dont have a universal group like they do "for the good of all" then they will continue to play chess with the lives of billions. We need to look past the religions which basically divide people, anything that divides people and create a simple framework for a peaceful world. Consciousness can change as this occurs as people realise how good it is to be secure.

Personally I have only found one group that opposes "them" and they are a society in China but they MAY also want control of people, so I am truly wondering where all the freedom people are? We need to form a group, one group, not many separate groups.

There are just not enough open truths out there right now so it is easy to get certain things mixed up. We have to stick with the framework, what we know to be true: Peace is the way forward as a species, to evolve. I dont mean pacifist new age love n light. I mean embracing all our dark/light aspects and realising that we really are the good stuff, and working on that principle.

Just my 2 cents:)

[seers among us]

It is my understanding these reptilians/illuminati/nwo whatever you call them, practice in black arts. Astral Projection during mass to call upon dark entity's. If they're a weak individual, or if it is the intention, the person could be influenced by negative forces.

So it is my guesstimate they are reptilians and also use dark energy. Just like the other evil people of the world.

@creatorrocks I think there's a trick involved. The more occupied we are, the less we think. A long time ago slaves were in bondage, but they still had their minds/souls. The way they have it set up now, people don't know they're slaves, but their minds/souls are compromised by all the bullshit they are occupied with.

So they have the best of both worlds. A society that thinks it's free and doesn't need guards 24/7 like slaves. Plus they're so caught up in football on the weekends and drinking beer, or listening to Lady GuyGuy, they don't have the time to think about what is really happening.

Ingenious,yet simple and disgusting to boot.

[pitong]

U know, I found out that for ex. trauma and feelings after UFO abductions are the same like after or during experiences with the demons [I mean being possessed]. And some people say that when they were abducted and they started to pray [to the God], all experience vanished at once. This so called reptilians are interdimensional beings, not entirely physical, and they're evil and want to enslave us and kill as many as it's possible. That is the definition of Biblical demons who are an enemy to us. This lights on the sky are emanations of them. And there is so many of'em, because illuminati accomplished one of their goals: all around us there is so many ocultistic symbols, many of people are playing with spiritism, magic, hypnosis etc. That is what gives Them permission to harm us, global permission multiplied by US government - demons pact : exchange knowledge of the universe [for ex. technology] for permission for abductions. I don't know why they're messing with our dna and generally bodies and thoughts, but I'm thinking: they could not have all the knowledge, because they're not God, and they don't know the future. That's why they do their researches, to help their master: Lucifer to take a total control of our world by his tools: illuminati and free masonnery.

[kkay]

If the reptilians really are so tall and powerful they would have enslaved humans long ago.

They did.

Re. The thread/topic.

Call them Demons or dall them Reptilians. I dont think it matters.

[pitong]

I think it is. Reptilians are supposed to be aliens- beings from other planet [in this or another dimension] and if you think so, you believe also in this galactic civilizations and all this Icke's stuff. Demons are spiritual beings, evil in their unchanging nature and that makes them our greatest enemy. And if somebody believe in them as demons believe also in God etc. I'm the second guy and I think the new age religion [it is the religion] is nothing else but manipulation of open-minded people who don't believe what mainstream media says by nothing else but this so called "elite" - illuminatis and all this stuff

[thecreatorrocks]

If the reptilians really are so tall and powerful they would have enslaved humans long ago.

They did.

Re. The thread/topic.

Call them Demons or dall them Reptilians. I dont think it matters.

Yes, sorry I understand that they were physical once but I really think they are now etheric. Even Icke says they are 4D which is the lower astral. Demons can take any form and do. So if these reptilians influencing the powers that be are fully demonic, thats freakin scary as these beings are truly frightening. They latch on to any fear you have and magnify it.

THE GOOD NEWS:

Anyone with strong beliefs that you are more powerful "always" than these soulless things eventually attracts a way to remove them.


SEERS: I agree with keeping people occupied stops them thinking. I dont know how many of the souls on the planet are ready for a change but I do know one thing: Once they get a taste of the good stuff-the light stuff-they will want more. You see, we have done this slave thing for a long time now and I kinda think we are done.

I think the freedom people are not quite there...I dont see much evidence of a movement as yet. Oh well:confused:

[phemohilia]

Hi everyone, I'm new here and I haven't read all this stuff, but I know one thing: Demons from the Bible are NOT Reptilians. It's Reptilians who are the demons. Unimaginably smart and crafty like hell... That's why most of people don't believe in NWO and if so, they're deceived by all propaganda and disinformation and think: Oh, there are the aliens, good - pleiadians and bad-reptilians etc. But why you didn't notice that this galactic government or smth like that about which Mr. Icke talk is nothing else but new world order, but many times multiplied- one intergalactic globalism and communism



Welcome to the forum!!! :D

[deadhawk]

SIMPLY ?????? demons What a monotheist fuck dod you are
demons are not simple things they are mankinds most disturbing psychological problem

[deadhawk]

Reptilians are the old Salamanders (Fire sphere) and the old Undines/Mermaid (Wather sphere) , Arians are the old Sylphs (Air sphere), Grays are the old Trolls (Earth sphere). All of them are the old demons of Christianity. Maybe Icke should read Eliphas Levy and Agrippa.

DEADHAWK-- Quid ambulare ita Terra-mundai pro contra de omni-divinum........

[snakesnladders]

Demons and devils are the same as vampires did you know that?

do some internet research if you dont believe me.

personally i think these 'reptilians' are probably alien vampire race.

very scary. no disclosure. people couldnt handle that one.

i dont know how they shapeshift etc but its either high technology wiht dna or like a chameoleon maybe, or octopus - i.e. camoflague?

who knows.

thats my bet.

i can provide you with a mountain of interesting correllations and evidence if you want to be convinced.

but you probably dont.

"thou canst not see my face, for it shall strike fear into thee" (Bible)

"we see these things, in our nightmares or at the movies, and some of them are pretty close to the truth" (an astronaut)

meh...