Concerning Religion

[orthodoxy12]

I have seen posts around Youtube of people who say religion is "Bull shit". I suspect these people are teenagers who are dabbling in some form of UFO cult, and are not educated on sacred history. I'm here to defend my religion, Christianity. I'll let the other religions speak for themselves.

First, if Christianity is "BS" how do you explain the existence of our many thousands of miracle working saints? I'm Eastern Orthodox. We have thousands of them. Most of the west is unfamilar with our saints and history. Our saints performed miracles, overcame human sinful nature, became pure of heart and soul, and had direct mystical contact with God.

The facts below, demonstrate that Christianity is anything but "BS." Those teenagers who are rebelling against their parents, need to get educated on certain things.

The claim that Christianity is "BS" and poisons everything, is both very ignorant, an irresponsible statement, and a lie.

Below is a small sampling of the good that Christianity in particular, has done for the world. A more thorough treatment can be found in the book "What if Jesus Had Never Been Born," by Kennedy.

Thousands of miralce working saints who overcame fallen human and sinful nature to a large degree.

Christians gave us Oxford University, Cambridge, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton.

The first 123 colleges in America were founded by Christians.

All the founders of the major branches of science, were Christians.

98% of modern technological inventions, are from Christians.

The principles found in the Constitution, are based on Christian and biblical principles.

Had Jesus never been born, America would never have been created.

Christianity put an end to cannibalism around the world in the 19th century.

Wherever Christianity has been, literacy and education have have exploded.

Christians put value on human life.

The Salvation Army was founded by Christians, and is now in 100 nations.

Christianity abolished slavery.

The Red Cross was founded by Christians, and has saved millions of lives.

Habitat for Humanity, founded by Christians.

The concept of Hospitals, a Christian invention.

Disaster Relief, from Christians.

Soup Kitchens, from Christians.

Homless Shelters, from Christians.

Food pantries for the poor, from Christians.

Daniel Lapin, a Jewish scholar, agrees with these facts. See the book mentioned above.

Some atheists like to mention Christian wars. But this is a fallacy because wars are not a Christian or biblical concept or teaching. A person can walk down the street and smell body odor. Does this prove soap doesn't work, and soap factories are flawed? Of course not. The soap is there. We just have to use it. The same applies to Christianity. It is the fallacy of false cause to argue that Christianity or Jesus is the CAUSE of these wars. B comes after A, but A does not cause B. A rooster might crow before the Sun rises, but the Rooster does not cause the Sun to rise. All religious wars in human history combined, amount to about six or seven million deaths. 130 million people killed by atheist totalitarian regimes.

[orthodoxy12]

Complete list of Orthodox saints, not including the 100 million martyrs from the Russian Revolution.

http://www.pomog.org/index.html?http://www.pomog.org/saintlist.shtml

[newdecades]

I have seen posts around Youtube of people who say religion is "Bull shit". I suspect these people are teenagers who are dabbling in some form of UFO cult, and are not educated on sacred history. I'm here to defend my religion, Christianity. I'll let the other religions speak for themselves.

First, if Christianity is "BS" how do you explain the existence of our many thousands of miracle working saints? I'm Eastern Orthodox. We have thousands of them. Most of the west is unfamilar with our saints and history. Our saints performed miracles, overcame human sinful nature, became pure of heart and soul, and had direct mystical contact with God.

The facts below, demonstrate that Christianity is anything but "BS." Those teenagers who are rebelling against their parents, need to get educated on certain things.

The claim that Christianity is "BS" and poisons everything, is both very ignorant, an irresponsible statement, and a lie.

Below is a small sampling of the good that Christianity in particular, has done for the world. A more thorough treatment can be found in the book "What if Jesus Had Never Been Born," by Kennedy.

Thousands of miralce working saints who overcame fallen human and sinful nature to a large degree.

Christians gave us Oxford University, Cambridge, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton.

The first 123 colleges in America were founded by Christians.

All the founders of the major branches of science, were Christians.

98% of modern technological inventions, are from Christians.

The principles found in the Constitution, are based on Christian and biblical principles.

Had Jesus never been born, America would never have been created.

Christianity put an end to cannibalism around the world in the 19th century.

Wherever Christianity has been, literacy and education have have exploded.

Christians put value on human life.

The Salvation Army was founded by Christians, and is now in 100 nations.

Christianity abolished slavery.

The Red Cross was founded by Christians, and has saved millions of lives.

Habitat for Humanity, founded by Christians.

The concept of Hospitals, a Christian invention.

Disaster Relief, from Christians.

Soup Kitchens, from Christians.

Homless Shelters, from Christians.

Food pantries for the poor, from Christians.

Daniel Lapin, a Jewish scholar, agrees with these facts. See the book mentioned above.

Some atheists like to mention Christian wars. But this is a fallacy because wars are not a Christian or biblical concept or teaching. A person can walk down the street and smell body odor. Does this prove soap doesn't work, and soap factories are flawed? Of course not. The soap is there. We just have to use it. The same applies to Christianity. It is the fallacy of false cause to argue that Christianity or Jesus is the CAUSE of these wars. B comes after A, but A does not cause B. A rooster might crow before the Sun rises, but the Rooster does not cause the Sun to rise. All religious wars in human history combined, amount to about six or seven million deaths. 130 million people killed by atheist totalitarian regimes.

what do you mean by miracle working saints?

of course christians have done some good things but you cannot deny some of bad things they've done too. like the crusades, burning of 'witches', slaughtering of native americans, sexism, homophobia, etc.

i don't know man, the god of the old testament seemed pretty 'war-like' to me.
are you saying if there never was a jesus we would not have any of the things you listed today? that's rediculous.

[1977]

The principles found in the Constitution, are based on Christian and biblical principles.

Haha, no. Masonic and thoroughly Pagan in every respect. You should know that.

[cruise4]

I thought it was sarcasm. All of those points raised as 'good' are actually bad, beneath the surface. I'm still not sure.

[tracker]

Complete list of Orthodox saints, not including the 100 million martyrs from the Russian Revolution.

http://www.pomog.org/index.html?http://www.pomog.org/saintlist.shtml

yep ok , teens might have had some dabbling in a UFO cult .

sounds like you are dabbling with a God cult .

you know ? those who do not wish to tell others the science of things , rather they tend to say

yeah yeah yeah now shut up its god and the devil .

what a perfect way to rape a mind from interlect especially if one does this kind of slow seduction of poison on a childs mind .

some people just dont learn a thing .

[nirvana]

If jesus never existed america would never of been created?

This lead to the slaughter of thousands of native american Indians.I dont think jesus would of like that comment .
There are alot of christian churches.

Some have a very demonic past some had torture chambers in there church basements.

Christianity as a whole is based on tribalism so judging these tribes as a whole is not fair. Some churches well most churches are based on a social club for the middle classes.

I've got alot of respect for the Jesus army church.They are out there all the time feeding and giving people shelter .
Alot of churches should take a leaf out of their book.Also alot of the awakening movement should take a leaf out of their book.

http://www.jesus.org.uk/forum/

[mephibosheth]

Hi,

I'm just wondering where you get some of these stats from...


I have seen posts around Youtube of people who say religion is "Bull shit". I suspect these people are teenagers who are dabbling in some form of UFO cult, and are not educated on sacred history. I'm here to defend my religion, Christianity.


How does the Eastern Orthodox church differ from Catholicism? Protestantism?



First, if Christianity is "BS" how do you explain the existence of our many thousands of miracle working saints?


Miracles have been happening all along from many different sources. Can we be sure that a belief is the foundation of the miracle? That is, are we certain that the belief in Christianity really causes the miracles?



Below is a small sampling of the good that Christianity in particular, has done for the world. A more thorough treatment can be found in the book "What if Jesus Had Never Been Born," by Kennedy.


That's funny, since Jesus's actual birth or death is of little or no value. Its not the TRUTH and REALITY of the myth that makes any difference, but rather it's propigation down through the ages. Jesus the man did very little for people in his short tenure, as the story goes, much less did he do as a baby. It was people believing in the myth later on, 'Christians' (of course, Jesus wasn't a 'Christian'), that changed the world in various ways. But so have followers of other religions. And, gasp! atheists and agnostics alike!



Thousands of miralce working saints who overcame fallen human and sinful nature to a large degree.


According to what reliable, trustworthy accounts? what evidence? The argument from 'saintly works' is difficult and dubious, much less so when we have to rely on text alone to believe it.



Christians gave us Oxford University, Cambridge, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton.


Those BASTARDS!!



All the founders of the major branches of science, were Christians.


Who were they? Which sciences?

And what do we mean by 'Christian' here (same goes for any of the examples where 'Christians' founded something)? Many people are Christian in name only, depending on where they were born.



98% of modern technological inventions, are from Christians.


This is incredibly UNLIKELY. Where does this stat come from?



The principles found in the Constitution, are based on Christian and biblical principles.


Which is interesting considering the number of masons and satanists involved in creating it, LOL. Now, wasn't America founded to ESCAPE the persecution of the Church in Europe...? I was under the impression that the founding fathers were all deists...



Had Jesus never been born, America would never have been created.


Utter nonsense. There is no way to even defend this ludicrous claim, let alone explain it.



Christianity put an end to cannibalism around the world in the 19th century.


Now this I didn't hear of before.



Wherever Christianity has been, literacy and education have have exploded.


Since when, though? In recent times only? Let's not forget the many centuries where literacy and understanding was not exactly applauded by the Church for the average Joe, elsewise there wouldn't have ever been a Protestant revolution.



Christians put value on human life.


And also loathe the flesh and desire for the universe to end in a big fire ball so the wicked can be punished in an eternal damnation.




Christianity abolished slavery.


Since when?

Christianity, like its Hebrew forefather and Islamic cousin, supports the concept of slavery and does not 'abolish it' in fact or principle.



The Red Cross was founded by Christians, and has saved millions of lives.

Habitat for Humanity, founded by Christians.

The concept of Hospitals, a Christian invention.

Disaster Relief, from Christians.

Soup Kitchens, from Christians.

Homless Shelters, from Christians.

Food pantries for the poor, from Christians.


This is a bit much. It's not as if other religions and other traditions outside of Christianity have never tended to the sick, practiced medicine, helped and fed the poor, or gave shelter to the needy. In fact, Islam demands these things from its practicioners as a measure of virtue.



Some atheists like to mention Christian wars. But this is a fallacy because wars are not a Christian or biblical concept or teaching.


You've got to be kidding. Not a biblical concept...?



A person can walk down the street and smell body odor. Does this prove soap doesn't work, and soap factories are flawed? Of course not. The soap is there. We just have to use it. The same applies to Christianity. It is the fallacy of false cause to argue that Christianity or Jesus is the CAUSE of these wars. B comes after A, but A does not cause B. A rooster might crow before the Sun rises, but the Rooster does not cause the Sun to rise. All religious wars in human history combined, amount to about six or seven million deaths. 130 million people killed by atheist totalitarian regimes.

If Christianity never existed, there would have been no crusades. So I'd say that the religion did cause wars based on the fervent intepretations of its followers and their desire to claim so-called holy sites for their own to the exclusion of all others. You might argue that those who fought were not 'true' Christians, just as one might argue that the Catholics and Protestants killing each other in Ireland were not 'true' Christians. But by that standard, I'd bet that not less than a small handful of folks have been 'true Christians' over the years, including all those 'founders' of things you mention. The number is probably around 144, 000, give or take an infidel.

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[rhydra]

The religion is irrelevant, all the bad things would have happened under any religion, that doesn't mean the religion is good, it just means that the religion is capable of being a rallying point or those who use it to further their own ends. It is used in much the same way as the Roman religions were, Islam etc. The problem does not lie with any particular religion but human being's need for a religion and their propensity to be manipulated by those who invoke that religion.