Misfits / society rejects / is this you ?

[tracker]

hay you ! yeah ! YOU ! IM TALKING TO YOU !

has society booted you out ?
made you a misfit ?
cast you out ?
does your family always seem to work against you ?
do your friends always leave you out ?
has love abandoned you ?
ever feel that this place is one big fucking nightmare ?
ever wonder why its always your fault ?



do you want to know why ?

Are you afraid of the truth ?

If i am to show you why and what is happening , promise not to freak out ?

OK then , since you have gotten to this line and you have a desire to read on , this obviously means you are searching .
you are searching for something , but you don't know what it is .
you don't know what it is because what you have considered ( to your self ) can not be easily explained in words alone , yet words are all i have , so with words , i do my best , to show you

why !
what !
why you !

question is ----------------are you ready ?

OK then , sit back , open your mind , you don't have to believe what i write , all you have to do ----------------------is read .

Life is like a mirror , if we feel bad , sometimes bad things come to us .
When we feel lonely , love abandoned us .
When we think people hate us , we look in the mirror , and then join the crowd and hate our selves .

when we turn our backs on humanity , we then turn to the mirror ,
our reflection looking outwards , sees our true being , with its back towards the masses ,
at the same time ,our reflection sees us with our backs towards humanity , and our faces towards them in the mirror ,yet like the croud behind us , we are pointing to the mirror , as the leader of that crowd .
hence , in our minds , some of us always feel hurt and sorrow and pain , not just because many may ( not always so but ) hate us , and so not to feel left out , we join the crowd and hate our selves .
so we keep our selves prisoner in the mirror ,by staying around those that hate us , so when we look in the mirror , we can scorn it , curse it , point at it .



now , if any of you out there hate your self , but love humanity and its potential , look in the mirror , right NOW ! come on , play this game with me .
look in the mirror --------------------------------------------i dare you to .dont feel silly now , because the hights of doing this one small experiment will soon hit home like a lead balloon .
now look at that reflection .
do they have pain ? sorrow ? anguish ? fear ? a loveless abandoned life ?

do you think they deserve it ?

look at the reflection like you would do to a stranger .

now ask your self

do they deserve all that pain ?

if the answer is NO , then stop pointing at the mirror by turning your back on humanity , because when you do , the person in the mirror now sees you looking at them , and in front humanity ( with them behind you ) is YOU !thus the 1st step to turning your back on humanity is turning your back upon your self .
the reflection sees you in front of the mirror looking inwards ,your back towards the croud , thus the 1st person they see is you .you are the one pointing , scorning , hating and keeping your true self prisoner in the mirror .and with the croud behind you backing you up , your true self reflection stands no chance .
now look at their pain . ( not forgetting , imagine the reflection as a stranger ) do they desevre all that ?
if not ,

tell your reflection these words .

"you don't deserve this pain.
you don't deserve this treatment .
I am going to be there fore you .
From now on , i will look after you !
if no one likes you , so what , i am your friend .
we can do this together .
you don't need others to justify your existence !"


you have to physically do it . life isn't just the mind , it is a soul and a body .
if you will your self to go to the mirror and physically say it .
you have done so by the mind and then by body , it wont take a mo before the soul then makes that last triangular connection .
mind
body
soul .
the illuminate dont worship numbers and symbols for nithing .
which is why certain rituals ( physical activities ) have to be followed through .
now to let you know why you , what and why they are what they do , here we go .its the basics of reflective psychology .

because our masses are controlled by something that they do not understand ,
they reflect that by trying to understand something that they can control .
because they do not realise that they are controlled by one single multi dimensional concept ,(fear - fear leads to hate also )
they will reflect that , by acting as one in multi dimensional ways to control you .
they do this because they do not realise that they are sick and ill ,
so to believe they are free , they make you the prisoner of the label they place upon you .

just remember this

paranoid people don't create what they see !
it is the timing and events of other people around them that create these situations , there for , since society creates these situations , and as said , apparently paranoid people are ill , then truth be said , the masses are the disease !again , paranoid people don't create what they see , they only voice what they see .
its also why every where you turn you only see a reflection of your self IE its your fault , your fault for this , your fault for that .its also why people feel ugly , unwanted , rejected , and more .
think about it for a while .

also

ADHD ?
ha ! children don't have illnesses , it is the sick society that makes them ill . children don't have ADHD , the adults have ADHD , not the children .

anorexia ?
anorexia is only an apparent illness , if this is so , then it is the masses who is the disease , because it is the masses who create such carnage to make a girl feel so ugly about them self that they do it anyway .

I don't hate society or humanity , and im sure no one here does , but the truth be said .

society is ill , this is why in reflection

you should understand that you are special .

society is tweecked to single out individuals and punish them .

its basic tribe mentality .

a tribe is a tribe hence the word tribe .

tribes dont run on individualism , it runs on groups !

thats why you are targeted !

you are being punished for being unique .

So you get the label of their own illness !

you take the rap for their fkups !





basic psychology of reflection !

hope this has helped you .


peace and love be with you always !


and just remember this !


you are not alone !

[cafetimes1991]

Thanks for posting this.

[tracker]

Thanks for posting this.


bloody hell it was only up for 30 seconds .

how do you read so fast ?

[cafetimes1991]

You also mis-spelled 'peace' :D
Peace.

[zero1]

Society being what it is, and knowing the feelings of revulsion, horror and violence I associate it with, I'm not altogether sad to be an outcast from it.

But I read you, Tracker. Thanks for posting this.

[tracker]

Society being what it is, and knowing the feelings of revulsion, horror and violence I associate it with, I'm not altogether sad to be an outcast from it.

But I read you, Tracker. Thanks for posting this.

some people hate them self .

they shouldnt do other wise all they do is join the croud and hate them self .

they should understand that they are special .

society is tweecked to single out individuals and punish them .

its basic tribe mentality .

a tribe is a tribe hence the word tribe .

tribes dont run on individualism , it runs on groups !

thats why they are targeted !

they are being punished for being unique .

[tracker]

You also mis-spelled 'peace' :D
Peace.


thank you for that info , i have edited it right .:cool:

[limelady]

I am an 'outcast' by choice.

Society didn't reject me, I rejected society.....and I'm lovin' it because I like to lose myself in the peace and silence. :D

Nowadays being round too many people and their frantic, stressy vibes does my head in. :eek:

I'd rather spend quality time with my baby chickens. :)

[tracker]

I am an 'outcast' by choice.

Society didn't reject me, I rejected society.....and I'm lovin' it because I like to lose myself in the peace and silence. :D

Nowadays being round too many people and their frantic, stressy vibes does my head in. :eek:

I'd rather spend quality time with my baby chickens. :)

yep i totally relate to that .

just because you are in ones own company , it doesnt mean your lonely .
just because one may feel better alone , it doesnt mean your a loner .

i too have made that same chioce , and my life has never been so productive .


i too do it by chioce .:cool:

just because like you i prefure to operate alone , it doesnt mean i hate people , it just means , im happy with life , rather like your self .

thats refreshing to here limelady , im glad you posted on this thread .:cool:

is that you in that elf suit ?

carefull now i will get a heart attack .:D

[ayomide]

Beautiful and balancing!!

Need I say more? NO

Thank-You!!

Much love to you too!

[limelady]

thats refreshing to here limelady , im glad you posted on this thread .:cool:

is that you in that elf suit ?

carefull now i will get a heart attack .:D

Thanks tracker......oh and no, its not me in the green elf suit (sorry) and you're not the first to ask! Must be a few peeps out there just dying for a heart-attack huh? :D

[tracker]

Thanks tracker......oh and no, its not me in the green elf suit (sorry) and you're not the first to ask! Must be a few peeps out there just dying for a heart-attack huh? :D


:D

[tracker]

bump .

[steevo]

Excellent thread Tracker! I feel the same as LimeLady in that I CHOSE to not go along with society which is designed to bring people down, and I chose that because I felt it was bringing me down. Society IS ill and people feel ill BECAUSE of it. I feel happy about myself and I love my own company, but that doesnt mean that I dont crave friendship sometimes. I love people.
This thread tracker is good cos it is a good way of explaining the situation to other people. Thanks :)

[boots]

I've always been a loner, even in my youth when I had a group of friends .... Ahh that was so long ago:)..... Those friends I still have today. I dont know, i just don't fit in with the "normal" crowd couldn't be bothered with all the bullshit. Football, movies, Big brother shows etc. I get my social interaction with just meeting people at work and exchanging pleasantries and I generally like them but dont feel the need to go into deep conversations with them, not on the same wave length.

I like to spend time with my animals and I find there is a strong connection with them a personal one, sort of like a knowing between us.

That mirror analogy is a good one. Tracker.

I urge people to try this.

Look into the mirror and say to yourself I love you. Look into your eyes and say it. It can be confronting but it opens up door's.


.

[aruru]

I am an 'outcast' by choice.

Society didn't reject me, I rejected society.....and I'm lovin' it because I like to lose myself in the peace and silence. :D

Nowadays being round too many people and their frantic, stressy vibes does my head in. :eek:

I'd rather spend quality time with my baby chickens. :)

Ditto :D

Your baby chickens are so cute, Limelady!

[dreamweaver]

Thanks tracker......oh and no, its not me in the green elf suit (sorry) and you're not the first to ask! Must be a few peeps out there just dying for a heart-attack huh? :D

Dammit. :(

;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Great thread, tracker.

[tracker]

Beautiful and balancing!!

Need I say more? NO

Thank-You!!

Much love to you too!



thank you too , i just wish i could gather a more gentler way to say it , many here know me as the most untactfull git around ,:D
its not often i make posts that are near any kind of ballance .

lol ,

:D

but im working on it .:cool:

[tracker]

Great thread, tracker.


i have worried about you all night .
i know i fall out with people many times , and sometimes as said before my tact is nothing better than a tank in a mine feild ,
but i hate seeing people in pain , anguish , sorrow , yep even other people who i have fallen out with .
i suppose its human nature .

the only reason why i know this subject so well , is because of a long life of abuse as a kid .

i forgive them , i have to because if i cant ,----------------------------------------------- their souls will die .

i have no worries for my own .

can you tell sometimes ?:D

lol , thank you lostinstrangeworld , your welcome anytime , as is all forum users .

[tracker]

i have worried about you all night .
i know i fall out with people many times , and sometimes as said before my tact is nothing better than a tank in a mine feild ,
but i hate seeing people in pain , anguish , sorrow , yep even other people who i have fallen out with .
i suppose its human nature .

the only reason why i know this subject so well , is because of a long life of abuse as a kid .

i forgive them , i have to because if i cant ,----------------------------------------------- their souls will die .

i have no worries for my own .

can you tell sometimes ?:D

lol , thank you lostinstrangeworld , your welcome anytime , as is all forum users .

but saying that , dont expect this to last too long , christmas will soon be over and i will be back on tracks kicking all your butts , so get the most of it .
:D

[alrick888]

In my country we call these days "the Dark Days before Christmas" implying a physical and spiritual darkness.

So during such days a post like yours is always welcome tracker......

[tracker]

In my country we call these days "the Dark Days before Christmas" implying a physical and spiritual darkness.

So during such days a post like yours is always welcome tracker......

that thing you said isnt just a story , logicly speeking its a true fact .

why you might ask ?

because the shortest day of the year is Christmas day , until then , days get shorter and darker , and techicly speeking , Christmas day isthe shortest and most longest dark day of the year .

im quite integued about that saying , please tell me more about it .

that quote you made about me here

i have worried about you all night .
i know i fall out with people many times , and sometimes as said before my tact is nothing better than a tank in a mine feild ,
but i hate seeing people in pain , anguish , sorrow , yep even other people who i have fallen out with .
i suppose its human nature .

the only reason why i know this subject so well , is because of a long life of abuse as a kid .

i forgive them , i have to because if i cant ,----------------------------------------------- their souls will die .

i have no worries for my own .

can you tell sometimes ?

lol , thank you lostinstrangeworld , your welcome anytime , as is all forum users .

I should have said this .



i know i fall out with people many times , and sometimes as said before my tact is nothing better than a tank in a mine feild ,
but i hate seeing people in pain , anguish , sorrow , yep even other people who i have fallen out with .
i suppose its human nature .

the only reason why i know this subject so well , is because of a long life of abuse as a kid .

i forgive them , i have to because if i cant ,----------------------------------------------- their souls will die and then there is no hope for mine .and if i cant save them , who will save me ?
thats why sometimes in privacy of my own at night , i recreate my childhood in my head , i recreate a loving good life , for me and my abusers where they are happy and untouched by fear and pain and physical abuse ( being punched ) them selves . This way , if the universe really does exist ,or if there really is a God , my thoughts of this better place have been made ( in electrical impulses from my mind ) there for it exists , and if it exists , those who made my life hell , then have a possible heaven to live in .
and if i can save them , then i too can be forgiven in another life , by those who scorned me and hurt me when i was a child .


( doh trackers welling up now ,:( stop it tracker :mad:, you'll melt like the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz :D)
what goes around comes around basicly .:cool:

[alrick888]

Oh you like quaint Dutch sayings don't you?

Well here's some more:

"The magic mushroom doesn't grow far from the Christmas tree."

"It's better to have 100 mushrooms digesting in your belly than 1000 mushrooms growing in your field."

"It is a wise man who takes his mushrooms with two tabs of ecstasy."

"Instead of having an aspirine, why not have an E with your coffee in the morning?"

"When you deflower a rebellious teen, make sure you hit her on the head with a wooden clog first" (that one was a bit hard to translate..).

And:

"A 14 year old girl always makes a great stuffed turkey for Christmas."

[pacoquerak]

Hey Tracker, I don't mean to be rude, But I HATE the way you come off sounding.. I can't really explain it. But you gave some very solid advice! some of the best I have read in a while.

I think our difference might lie in that while you like being alone I can't freakin stand it. I feel really good right now, but it is 6 in the morning and I haven't been to sleep yet : ( So what I am saying is that it is short lived. I pretty much in the same boat as lostinastrangeworld. Some nice doors are opening up for me though, I am making new friends.
I just have this amazing ability to see the negative side of everything, and if I can't see it, sometimes I sense it some other way. I feel pretty overwhelmed, and my only friend who shares my views relatively on the whole world conspiracy and such... well he is now completely a fatalist, the opposite of myself.

Do I have a point??!?!? gosh I need to sleep nowww but let me say that I am putting my size 15 foot down right now And I am not going to let those bastards beat me down for being different. BUT I know I can't do it by myself.

Well, I mean anyone who is down for just about anything positive, whether it be discussion over the internet or meet in real life.

I have a plan of my own. I want to start my own farm, I want to work 4 acres of vegetables myself each season, with oxen that I need to train, and as many acres of forest gardens/orchards as I can amass. Living bamboo walls 70 feet tall to keep the rabble out. Life could be good if I move fast and people move fast with me! In 1 years time I hope I will have my farm!

IM CRAZY SORRY

[tracker]

Hey Tracker, I don't mean to be rude, But I HATE the way you come off sounding.. I can't really explain it. But you gave some very solid advice! some of the best I have read in a while.

I think our difference might lie in that while you like being alone I can't freakin stand it. I feel really good right now, but it is 6 in the morning and I haven't been to sleep yet : ( So what I am saying is that it is short lived. I pretty much in the same boat as lostinastrangeworld. Some nice doors are opening up for me though, I am making new friends.
I just have this amazing ability to see the negative side of everything, and if I can't see it, sometimes I sense it some other way. I feel pretty overwhelmed, and my only friend who shares my views relatively on the whole world conspiracy and such... well he is now completely a fatalist, the opposite of myself.

Do I have a point??!?!? gosh I need to sleep nowww but let me say that I am putting my size 15 foot down right now And I am not going to let those bastards beat me down for being different. BUT I know I can't do it by myself.

Well, I mean anyone who is down for just about anything positive, whether it be discussion over the internet or meet in real life.

I have a plan of my own. I want to start my own farm, I want to work 4 acres of vegetables myself each season, with oxen that I need to train, and as many acres of forest gardens/orchards as I can amass. Living bamboo walls 70 feet tall to keep the rabble out. Life could be good if I move fast and people move fast with me! In 1 years time I hope I will have my farm!

IM CRAZY SORRY

yep im that kind of person , you either hate what i say or detest it lol.
i believe you are complimenting me , daaaa shucks your just saying those things , jee , im all hot now lol.:D

yes some people cant stand ones own company and hate being alone it is true .
yet this society forces a concept upon us that we desire the need of another person to justify our existance.

only when we have faced solitude , are we really capable of finding true freinds etc .

if we cant stand our own company , then others are not blame for feeling like wise .

the action of facing that reflection , says it all .

when we hate our reflection , we stand in front of the croud with our backs towards it ,thus facing that mirror ( the inner us ) as the fire starter of every bit of pain and the leader of that croud as it is us who stands 1st and formost infront of that mirror .

we have to learn to love the inner reflection .
we have to learn to allow it to come out ,

the only person who can do that ,
is us alone .

until then , our inner selves ramain prisoner in the mirror .

sorry
just the facts .

and anyway , you might hate what your heard , because you then feel the dark place that i have come from , and then it makes it clear as to why i know it so well .

the dark is nothing to be afraid of , the only monsters that exist there , are our own , and they exist , because they control us through the fear we feed them with .
otherwise , once you have learned that walking through the dark is nothing to be afraid of ( IE although i walk through the vally of the shaddow of death i shall not fear ) ( also lonelyness , being unloved ) you can easily understand that in darkness , then can we only realise that only light can appear .

[lostinstrangeworld]

You have a lot of wisdom, tracker. You have had experiences that many people have not been through. You have much to teach.

What the world needs now so desperately......is more, true empathy.

[tracker]

You have a lot of wisdom, tracker. You have had experiences that many people have not been through. You have much to teach.

What the world needs now so desperately......is more, true empathy.


lol , hold on i will take a deep look inside and see what i can do .:o



only joking lostinstrangeworld .:D

i have learned alot from my childhood , yet my true learning started when i joined this forum .


thankyou for those kind words .

It is true , we all need a bit more empathy , maybe , someday , people will look back in the past to this time of date , and say how brave and bold and strong humanity was to put up with so much turmoil .yet also insight the children of the future to how blind and ignorant we were too .

believeing in dreams is esential , with out hope , we have no future .

Funny enough im the 1st to slate beliefs , yet it is the belief of life and love that got me here , just like many others here .

i am learning slowly , and eventually one day , all of us on this forum will look back with smiles .

its a nice thought to even think it could be true .:cool:

[pacoquerak]

lol , hold on i will take a deep look inside and see what i can do .:o



only joking lostinstrangeworld .:D

i have learned alot from my childhood , yet my true learning started when i joined this forum .


thankyou for those kind words .

It is true , we all need a bit more empathy , maybe , someday , people will look back in the past to this time of date , and say how brave and bold and strong humanity was to put up with so much turmoil .yet also insight the children of the future to how blind and ignorant we were too .

believeing in dreams is esential , with out hope , we have no future .

Funny enough im the 1st to slate beliefs , yet it is the belief of life and love that got me here , just like many others here .

i am learning slowly , and eventually one day , all of us on this forum will look back with smiles .

its a nice thought to even think it could be true .:cool:

many times I walked home through the woods and up the hill in complete black without even being able to follow the trail home. Once I couldn't even make it and I ended up sleeping on the foot bridge that is only 1 and a half feet across with my feet wedged in between the two trees that hold up the bridge.

I got this story that I really want to tell people about, but it's really really fuckin dumb and talks about me being really really dumb, chasing around a girl without being able to justify my actions in any way I could quantify. I felt love, but I didn't know why. I got to a really high high point once, but when another girl left me I crashed, I sought another lover half a year later, in all the turmoil I was in I came to a point of awareness I think I had not reached before, but I was met with defeat and crashed much further this time as despair set in.
It is because, the only think that seems to motivate me is other people. Just working with other people motivates me to work harder, but when I am by myself I feel my energy being sapped from me somehow. Being with a woman is the ultimate motivation i have ever experienced in my life, it allowed me to do things I did not believe I could do in more than one case.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Was skeptical at first, but feel this girl is really genuine....I'm listening to her now and it's helping me. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3NEASRRImg

[lostinstrangeworld]

many times I walked home through the woods and up the hill in complete black without even being able to follow the trail home. Once I couldn't even make it and I ended up sleeping on the foot bridge that is only 1 and a half feet across with my feet wedged in between the two trees that hold up the bridge.

I got this story that I really want to tell people about, but it's really really fuckin dumb and talks about me being really really dumb, chasing around a girl without being able to justify my actions in any way I could quantify. I felt love, but I didn't know why. I got to a really high high point once, but when another girl left me I crashed, I sought another lover half a year later, in all the turmoil I was in I came to a point of awareness I think I had not reached before, but I was met with defeat and crashed much further this time as despair set in.
It is because, the only think that seems to motivate me is other people. Just working with other people motivates me to work harder, but when I am by myself I feel my energy being sapped from me somehow. Being with a woman is the ultimate motivation i have ever experienced in my life, it allowed me to do things I did not believe I could do in more than one case.

I understand what you are saying here.......

How can we get beyond this?

Is it even necessary to be "self-sufficient"?

Or do we have to go through certain lessons before finding that special relationship where you can grow spiritually with someone in harmony?

Or is not becoming too attached to one person the answer? :confused:

[tracker]

It is because, the only think that seems to motivate me is other people. Just working with other people motivates me to work harder, but when I am by myself I feel my energy being sapped from me somehow. Being with a woman is the ultimate motivation i have ever experienced in my life, it allowed me to do things I did not believe I could do in more than one case.


yep , actually people motivate me too , however , unlike your self , being on my own does not make me feel lonely .
everyday i am happy to be alive , life talks to me and i with it .
i will admit , the only thing stonger in the universe other than a galactic black hole is the grasiouse nature and shapely figure of a woman , so i cant differ on any person / man or woman , that loves being with another woman . quite frankly , i dont blame them .

sometimes if we fall in love and are lucky enough to have the same in some type of return , it is a great motivator , and could make a man take on the whole world if he had to and WIN !


your story about the bridge seems pritty familiar , walked 45 miles in 12 hours over night , it was a long long long lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng night .
bloody hell i thought i would have come across one sign , and i didnt .
lord knows how i made it home , but i just did .

i followed my instinct if thats what its called .somewhere that way ^^^then >>> then ^^ again .

sometimes the most useless stories can turn out to be the most productive , so dont think that your story has nothing in it .
All stories have something of value .:cool:

[pacoquerak]

@ tracker no no! you don't understand, that's just a tiny fragment of the story, I wrote it last night kind of in response to lostinstrangeworld's thread cause I felt like the first half of her first post in that thread I could easily have written the exact same words up until the mention of children. Also I want to make a thread titled "Oh gosh I can't figure the right path, someone set me strait". I spent many hours writing it, didn't end up really finishing it and it's just too embaressing and useless to anyone on this site, I am sure I would get flamed much much more heavily than you lostinstrangeworld.

@ lostinstrangeworld

Yeah I see the value in what tracker says about being able to enjoy life by one's self. And while I don't want to push out his argument, I will nudge it halfway by saying, that I have spent most of my life enjoying my own company, only recently am I getting so sick of myself. But really that's only half true (I think). Either way, here is the point I want to make in response to what you said.

Yes it is important to be motivated by one's own self. But isn't now more than ever the time for all people's to come together? I am sick of being powerless and isn't true when it is said that "one person can do nothing, many people can do much". Okinawa Japan is credited for having one of the longest life expectancies in the world. I have heard many times this is due to their rich communities, people often have 300 people intertwined into their own lives! Humans are suposed to be social creatures, we have a need to see others, talk to others, touch with others and be with others. I hope that's some food for thought ?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Pacoquerak, you do sound a bit like me in the way that you talk. :D

What Sun sign are you, do you know?

By the way everyone, I can't stop watching this, it makes me cry tears of gladness, as did the interview with Jessica (near the ending). Yes, I'm a softie....and proud of it!! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvCjyWp3rEk&feature=related

[pacoquerak]

I haven't looked much into astrology, but what I have read usually rings true. This one book my friend somewhere far away has is a book of astrology based on birthdays. I am at march 12 which they called "the year of the great leap".
Pisces are supposed to be the really weird ones is what I always here haha.

man that lion ending was a real real tear jerker, I better watch the whole thing jeeze that is totally amazing!

[tracker]

@ tracker no no! you don't understand, that's just a tiny fragment of the story, I wrote it last night kind of in response to lostinstrangeworld's thread cause I felt like the first half of her first post in that thread I could easily have written the exact same words up until the mention of children. Also I want to make a thread titled "Oh gosh I can't figure the right path, someone set me strait". I spent many hours writing it, didn't end up really finishing it and it's just too embaressing and useless to anyone on this site, I am sure I would get flamed much much more heavily than you lostinstrangeworld.

@ lostinstrangeworld

Yeah I see the value in what tracker says about being able to enjoy life by one's self. And while I don't want to push out his argument, I will nudge it halfway by saying, that I have spent most of my life enjoying my own company, only recently am I getting so sick of myself. But really that's only half true (I think). Either way, here is the point I want to make in response to what you said.

Yes it is important to be motivated by one's own self. But isn't now more than ever the time for all people's to come together? I am sick of being powerless and isn't true when it is said that "one person can do nothing, many people can do much". Okinawa Japan is credited for having one of the longest life expectancies in the world. I have heard many times this is due to their rich communities, people often have 300 people intertwined into their own lives! Humans are suposed to be social creatures, we have a need to see others, talk to others, touch with others and be with others. I hope that's some food for thought ?

yep i understand now what you meant , yes its true , learning to be happy on ones own is important yet also now is the time for people to come together as one .

:)

during a time that i had to recreate my own life , i understood that keeping my own company was important because i was a sucker for my family and distant freinds and it was them holding me back .
So to keep my own company but also have regular contact with others , during the time i was going to college , i went to libraries , coffee houses , for the odd day out here and there .

when i say that being alone is important and is a good way to find one self , i didnt mean to be totally alone and cut off .

yet

funny enough , those who have

No home
No money
hardly any good clothes
no freinds
no family
no prospects

are on the most perfect condition to recreate their own life and destiny .
they can go on learning courses
read up in libraries etc
go where they want
how they want
meet new friends
and can also set them self house rules etc where if new freinds or others begin to show the same tendancies as those they may have left behind for reasons mentioned , they could exclude them from their life with out a guilty consciounce .

as the saying goes
hell is being locked up with your best freinds for ever .

some people already have their life established , freinds etc etc , yet most of the time they are unhappy and always stuck in rucks .
they are stuck in that ruck because they cannot see out side them self that the circle they hang around with is the very circle that holds them back .

there is nothing worse than having a life full of freinds and family that hold us back .

i would rather have nothing and start again .

my family have changed their ways now towards me , but it took them a long time toadjust to the new me and they didnt like it one single bit in the begining .
apparently i was changing for the worst .
i wa sacting strange and weird .
they didnt like the new me
thought something was wrong etc etc etc .

i know thse games very well indeed .

the only way to stop this situation isnt patience or love .
its having time out and time away , enough to change , and sometimes it can take a while .

sooner or later , they hadf to adjust , because they were unable to have holds on certain control points in my life .

now things are better , i have changed my life , they have changed their attitudes .
yet if i didnt do what i did , i could well have ended up dead !
suiside !
but that was when i was about 22 to 23 . i am now 41 and have no regrets .
i would do it all over again including the long dark walk .


and there is a difference .
you can talk the talk
but unless youve walked the walk , you'll never really know !
:cool:

[martg]

I'm not sure it would be a good idea for me to really be me, I have some concern that I could be dangerous (i'm not joking)

[alrick888]

Thanks for bumping this thread!

Tracker, this time I had a mirror next to my computer screen to actually do what you recommended and you are right, this is definitely a process to do!
I could really see the expression on my face change and becoming happier.

I have to say your insight in posting this is amazing. You are amazing!.... and I am amazing!

society is tweecked to single out individuals and punish them

Sadly it is, and there are some many examples (to just give one, after losing my job they put me and other ones on a course because our skills needed improving: you see, it's all our fault that the economy crashed!)

Lately I had been reading some Manson books and I started to realize how I could relate to his followers and even him. The way he was singled out for things that the US government did on a mass scale (killing civilians). I think he might have wanted to be singled out too though.

Anyway, this will be a battle but now at least I know I have a friend.

[curtaincat]

Another really worthwhile thread from Tracker. if only i could put in words as good as his, i would feel that i am contributing. thanks tracker, yet again.:)


martg, i am sure that tracker will have some words for you , i hope you are ok and not too dangerous to yourself or others. i think everyone does care, on this forum , it is a pretty nice place.:)

[xpleet]

I understand what you are saying here.......

How can we get beyond this?

Is it even necessary to be "self-sufficient"?

Or do we have to go through certain lessons before finding that special relationship where you can grow spiritually with someone in harmony?

Or is not becoming too attached to one person the answer? :confused:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1212612#post1212612

[martg]

Another really worthwhile thread from Tracker. if only i could put in words as good as his, i would feel that i am contributing. thanks tracker, yet again.:)


martg, i am sure that tracker will have some words for you , i hope you are ok and not too dangerous to yourself or others. i think everyone does care, on this forum , it is a pretty nice place.:)

thanks curtaincat (love that sig:)) for the kind thought, i don't really think i'm a danger to others anymore (i'm too tired for that) and I don't seem to be very good at suicide:rolleyes:
so i s'pose i'll be here for a while yet. I agree with most of what tracker has to say but i would just like to add that human contact once in a while is very important for the maintaining of sanity.

[the loner]

Some of us are loners, misfits and outcasts by choice.

We have no interest in the sick consumerist society we live in and don't like associating with sheeple.

And you know what, we are FAR happier for it.

To us, solitude, silence, independance, freedom and me-time are everything.

[tracker]

@ tracker no no! you don't understand, that's just a tiny fragment of the story, I wrote it last night kind of in response to lostinstrangeworld's thread cause I felt like the first half of her first post in that thread I could easily have written the exact same words up until the mention of children. Also I want to make a thread titled "Oh gosh I can't figure the right path, someone set me strait". I spent many hours writing it, didn't end up really finishing it and it's just too embaressing and useless to anyone on this site, I am sure I would get flamed much much more heavily than you lostinstrangeworld.

@ lostinstrangeworld

Yeah I see the value in what tracker says about being able to enjoy life by one's self. And while I don't want to push out his argument, I will nudge it halfway by saying, that I have spent most of my life enjoying my own company, only recently am I getting so sick of myself. But really that's only half true (I think). Either way, here is the point I want to make in response to what you said.

Yes it is important to be motivated by one's own self. But isn't now more than ever the time for all people's to come together? I am sick of being powerless and isn't true when it is said that "one person can do nothing, many people can do much". Okinawa Japan is credited for having one of the longest life expectancies in the world. I have heard many times this is due to their rich communities, people often have 300 people intertwined into their own lives! Humans are suposed to be social creatures, we have a need to see others, talk to others, touch with others and be with others. I hope that's some food for thought ?


yeah ---my bad -- certainly didnt read what you said ------right , but seemed to have read it as though you were really pissed off with life --- lol -- now mees sees .

Yeah I do understand what you said about people coming together . Maybe I should try to explain my threads more easily -- and maybe a bit more openly .
The idea of this thread is actually for those who already feel outcast / lonely / all alone ---------with feelings of no hope , no reason , no way out etc .

Ive been there in my early 20s ---and learned the hard way , but am glad I went through it -- I wouldnt change a single day and funny enough -- if we do keep reliving our life ----------I look forward to the repeat lol.

[tracker]

Great thread, tracker.

coming from you ---------------------------------after all the great threads you have made too ---------------- I know that means ------------------- that this must have some good points---------------I feel very complimented ---------thank you .:cool:

[margaretr]

Some of us are loners, misfits and outcasts by choice.

We have no interest in the sick consumerist society we live in and don't like associating with sheeple.

And you know what, we are FAR happier for it.

To us, solitude, silence, independance, freedom and me-time are everything.

A big thumbs up for that :D
I am retired, and live in a quiet place on the edge of a small town, with countryside views.
I have all I need delivered to my door.
Shopping and socialising brings you into contact with stressed out sheeple = bad news.

[tracker]

Some of us are loners, misfits and outcasts by choice.

We have no interest in the sick consumerist society we live in and don't like associating with sheeple.

And you know what, we are FAR happier for it.

To us, solitude, silence, independance, freedom and me-time are everything.


yeah and why not --------------go for it --- :)

Many people prefure not to catch the sheeple thing , and sometimes society can be a drag .

I certainly dont blame those who wish to be outcast for doing so ----some times it is better that way .:cool:

[armoured_amazon]

I'm not sure it would be a good idea for me to really be me, I have some concern that I could be dangerous (i'm not joking)

+1 :o

[cedric]

I love myself,one of the greatest things i have become aware of,lovely thread Tracker :)

[tracker]

I love myself,one of the greatest things i have become aware of,lovely thread Tracker :)


learning to love one self is indeed a tricky thing to get used too .
respect for one self
love
patients

all that is harder to give the self than to another .

I am kind of hoping that my threads will unduce the idea to learn about the self , and hopefully , one day , it might just help someone .

is my goal .

thank you for what you said by the way , thankyou .:)

[ufochick]

I think many who are more "aware" have trouble in this plastic world. I have dealt with it by leading. I used to just be a loner. Now I try to lead. When someone says want to go to the mall? I say no thanks lets go look at some plants or seeds... or make some homemade bread or do something that isn't the "norm". Much to my surprise once I started suggesting things I realized most people WANT to do something other than the shallow consumerism state pushed activities once someone brings it up.

There was a post that addressed we are in a better position to change our world when we basically have nothing. I disagree. I have played the game well enough that now I can effect some thing because I have the money to do so. The state and powers that be want us down and broke and poor and depressed. Screw them..... we are not evading them by staying broke we are playing into their hands.

Being aware and playing the game well is completely different than being a sheeple and being successful.

We can't wait for the people in control to change things we need to begin to become the people in control by playing the game well and changing things as we go!

I have been dirt fucking poor, I washed our clothes in bathtub including baby diapers, I've done the shit jobs no one ever paid me any mind. Now I have enough money and people DO listen because I am well dressed and can afford to be in the company of people who might make a difference.

So ask yourself, am I being effective coming from where I am? If not change it. It starts inside. "know thy enemies and play the game better than they do"
We need to lead the way :)

[tracker]

I think many who are more "aware" have trouble in this plastic world. I have dealt with it by leading. I used to just be a loner. Now I try to lead. When someone says want to go to the mall? I say no thanks lets go look at some plants or seeds... or make some homemade bread or do something that isn't the "norm". Much to my surprise once I started suggesting things I realized most people WANT to do something other than the shallow consumerism state pushed activities once someone brings it up.

There was a post that addressed we are in a better position to change our world when we basically have nothing. I disagree. I have played the game well enough that now I can effect some thing because I have the money to do so. The state and powers that be want us down and broke and poor and depressed. Screw them..... we are not evading them by staying broke we are playing into their hands.

Being aware and playing the game well is completely different than being a sheeple and being successful.

We can't wait for the people in control to change things we need to begin to become the people in control by playing the game well and changing things as we go!

I have been dirt fucking poor, I washed our clothes in bathtub including baby diapers, I've done the shit jobs no one ever paid me any mind. Now I have enough money and people DO listen because I am well dressed and can afford to be in the company of people who might make a difference.

So ask yourself, am I being effective coming from where I am? If not change it. It starts inside. "know thy enemies and play the game better than they do"
We need to lead the way :)

It was me that said when we have nothing we have a better chance of having everything and to change everything .
Indeed when I look at your post , it tells the same thing .
I too had to wash my stuff in the sink or bath . I know what its like getting blisters from the powder and one twists and rings out the washing .

Now you have more , but would you have gotten so cunning and considerate when conserning thy enemy if you had not have been so poor ?
to me this sounds as though you have gained so much from being poor .

just a thought .

and yes youare correct .
I also have said the same thing .
We must know thy enemy and play their game better .

it was also mentioned in my thread "using the prison to move around more freely".

I agree with everything you have said , other than being poor teaching you nothing , but I too also agree that money talks which is why I descided to change my education prospects .

its a shame that others do not read your post and learn from it .

a good way to change this world is to wake up , use the prison , play the game better than them , but also spread the good stuff , as have you here .

some though , are just not learning how to use this prison .

we dont have much chioce for now , so we must use what we have to better our self .:)

[ufochick]

It was me that said when we have nothing we have a better chance of having everything and to change everything .
Indeed when I look at your post , it tells the same thing .
I too had to wash my stuff in the sink or bath . I know what its like getting blisters from the powder and one twists and rings out the washing .

Now you have more , but would you have gotten so cunning and considerate when conserning thy enemy if you had not have been so poor ?
to me this sounds as though you have gained so much from being poor .

just a thought .

and yes youare correct .
I also have said the same thing .
We must know thy enemy and play their game better .

it was also mentioned in my thread "using the prison to move around more freely".

I agree with everything you have said , other than being poor teaching you nothing , but I too also agree that money talks which is why I descided to change my education prospects .

its a shame that others do not read your post and learn from it .

a good way to change this world is to wake up , use the prison , play the game better than them , but also spread the good stuff , as have you here .

some though , are just not learning how to use this prison .

we dont have much chioce for now , so we must use what we have to better our self .:)

I don't think being poor to the point where you are consumed by the need to feed your children or keep a roof over your head ever helps anyone.....

Having the very basics and knowing they will be there while having to be very careful with your money and going without ANY extras can be a learning experience though.

:)

[hoverfly]

Excellent thread Tracker! I feel the same as LimeLady in that I CHOSE to not go along with society which is designed to bring people down, and I chose that because I felt it was bringing me down. Society IS ill and people feel ill BECAUSE of it. I feel happy about myself and I love my own company, but that doesnt mean that I dont crave friendship sometimes. I love people.
This thread tracker is good cos it is a good way of explaining the situation to other people. Thanks :)

Totally relate to 'Steevo' and 'Limelady' as well. I find that somehow comforting.

When I was younger, I never could fit in or communicate well and had great difficulty forming relationships.

I escaped people by spending time with nature.

All I wanted was to be like everybody else.

Now I have accepted the way I am (thats the key, I think) and I have woken up, the last thing I'd want to be, is like anyone else.

It took my loss of health and my job before I woke up though. :)

Good thread.

[tracker]

Totally relate to 'Steevo' and 'Limelady' as well. I find that somehow comforting.

When I was younger, I never could fit in or communicate well and had great difficulty forming relationships.

I escaped people by spending time with nature.

All I wanted was to be like everybody else.

Now I have accepted the way I am (thats the key, I think) and I have woken up, the last thing I'd want to be, is like anyone else.

It took my loss of health and my job before I woke up though. :)

Good thread.

thankyou , and I am some how hoping that somewhere in this thread , that I am making it easy for people who feel alone to see that salvation lays within .

I am also hoping that this thread does not look as though I am trying to say to them that they must work to fit in , coz thats the last thing one should do .

Its just that ;

if you have a confortable life , there is usually no need to change things .

when you have nothing , then , even though people refuse to see it , this system can be used to benifit from making the best of amenities that are available .

Ive been homeless , no job , no money , no prospects .

from that I have now found my way to having everything I want .

if I had a comfortable life in the begining , I would never have thought it needed improving , thus having nothing gives you the chance to

recreate your path .

some people prefure not to fit in , I am one of them , but I no longer feel hurt by that .

Im just kind of hoping to get people to see that it isnt always hurtful , because its not .

if you want to change your reality though

you have a better chance when you have nothing because you have all the space in the world .

:)

[tracker]

I don't think being poor to the point where you are consumed by the need to feed your children or keep a roof over your head ever helps anyone.....

Having the very basics and knowing they will be there while having to be very careful with your money and going without ANY extras can be a learning experience though.

:)

Acutally it does .

it gives the opotunity for the person to COPE with nothing .
it gives the person the opotunity ------------to get things .
it gives a world of possability .

what you are talking about are people who refuse to see that they are stuck in a rut .

that is different .

if you are stuck in a rut , then you dont get out .

having nothing means you have every chance to change that .

I too have had bailifs at the door , faced homelesnes , been stuck in a rut , werent able to change things

until I realised

I can !

I feel that you have a point to show aboutbeing a poor parent somewhere in all that .

but you are right , it is a learning experience .

if one doesnt learn from being poor , then they will always be poor .

this relates to my threads about how our own phylosophies hold us back .

example;
poor people always say money wont make ya happy .
yet they are the 1st to smile if they find £100.
they cant wait for the next money check and always want it , yet apparently it wont make them happy .
poor people say that money isnt important .
I bet rich folk dont think that !
but then they commit them self to being a wage slave working as hard as they can for that extra bit of cash , but money isnt important.
same goes with people who say money isnt everything , but always want it .

one has to change the self to change their reality .

only when your life isnt crouded with comfort does the perfect time to reflect upon one self actually present it self .

to change your life experience ( even being poor ) one has to change the self .

we must become the change we seek in this world to change it .

:)

[curtaincat]

Acutally it does .

it gives the opotunity for the person to COPE with nothing .
it gives the person the opotunity ------------to get things .
it gives a world of possability .

what you are talking about are people who refuse to see that they are stuck in a rut .

that is different .

if you are stuck in a rut , then you dont get out .

having nothing means you have every chance to change that .

I too have had bailifs at the door , faced homelesnes , been stuck in a rut , werent able to change things

until I realised

I can !

I feel that you have a point to show aboutbeing a poor parent somewhere in all that .

but you are right , it is a learning experience .

if one doesnt learn from being poor , then they will always be poor .

this relates to my threads about how our own phylosophies hold us back .

example;
poor people always say money wont make ya happy .
yet they are the 1st to smile if they find £100.
they cant wait for the next money check and always want it , yet apparently it wont make them happy .
poor people say that money isnt important .
I bet rich folk dont think that !
but then they commit them self to being a wage slave working as hard as they can for that extra bit of cash , but money isnt important.
same goes with people who say money isnt everything , but always want it .

one has to change the self to change their reality .

only when your life isnt crouded with comfort does the perfect time to reflect upon one self actually present it self .

to change your life experience ( even being poor ) one has to change the self .

we must become the change we seek in this world to change it .

:)



what a great post from tracker, and on top of this i gotta quote his last sentence from the previous post by him :

"" if you want to change your reality though
you have a better chance when you have nothing because you have all the space in the world ."


did you make that quote up yourself? either way, it is fantastic! Very cosmo. outer space. i love it :) :cool:

[tracker]

what a great post from tracker, and on top of this i gotta quote his last sentence from the previous post by him :

"" if you want to change your reality though
you have a better chance when you have nothing because you have all the space in the world ."


did you make that quote up yourself? either way, it is fantastic! Very cosmo. outer space. i love it :) :cool:


the problem is this meees thoughts earlier .
if my life was confortable in the earlier stages of life , would I have bettered my self .?
would I have developed the drive to better my self ?
would I have craved a desire to aspire ?
in fact , would I have even had my children today , my life , ?

the actual answer is "NO" because suffering can lead to understanding of the self , if you want it .

fasting for instance , kriky some folks starve them self for a month or two just to gain spiritual inegrety .

If you have everything , there is only NOTHING that some one can give you that you already do not have , thus when you have everything , the only thing you do not have -----------is------------NOTHING .
when you have nothing , the only thing you can get from there onwards --------is EVERYTHING .
it is not only logic that dictates this , but reason .

oh yes , yes I did say that my self because I have been there .
it is the "alternate reality" theory .
one can be a looser etc etc etc etc with nothing , yet in the same space and time , is another reality ( reality dictated by perception as always ) that right there , right then , is another reality where the 1st steps take place to gain everything .
it is the theorom of alternate realities .

cosmic space ?
yes that too

and I love space , hence my avid love for astronomy .

thankyou curtaincat , you thing you .

:)

as the saying goes

In an infinite universe in infinite time

EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE

because only ---------------NOTHING -------------------------------IS----------------IMPOSSIBLE .:cool:

THUS having a life of nothing can only lead to everything , because nothing is impossible .

:)

[curtaincat]

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0R86lCZ3us


"me and bobby mcgee" ~by ~ janis joplin.

i liked this video, gets you in the travelling mood... escaping the big city etc.

there are heaps of versions of this song... i kinda like this one ( original lyrics... of course)... don't wanna bother with cover versions. lol

thanks tracker for all of your posts x :cool:

[curtaincat]

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0R86lCZ3us


"me and bobby mcgee" ~by ~ janis joplin.

i liked this video, gets you in the travelling mood... escaping the big city etc.

there are heaps of versions of this song... i kinda like this one ( original lyrics... of course)... don't wanna bother with cover versions. lol

thanks tracker for all of your posts x :cool:



quoting just in case video disapears. :p

[tracker]

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0R86lCZ3us


"me and bobby mcgee" ~by ~ janis joplin.

i liked this video, gets you in the travelling mood... escaping the big city etc.

there are heaps of versions of this song... i kinda like this one ( original lyrics... of course)... don't wanna bother with cover versions. lol

thanks tracker for all of your posts x :cool:


Yeah got a bit of Janis Joplin my self .

she is brilliant .

I found this one , a fave of mine from a few years back .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlNNlSgxxE&feature=related

:cool:

[curtaincat]

Yeah got a bit of Janis Joplin my self .

she is brilliant .

I found this one , a fave of mine from a few years back .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlNNlSgxxE&feature=related

:cool:



Great! never ever watched the Dukes of Hazard.. if it is as cool as that song, maybe i will catch it on re-runs. lol.

"good ol' boy"" ... makes me think of when the Blues Brothers got in trouble, lol.