Monkeys in a Room

[rob menard]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

[boots]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?


Good stuff;):)

Well no thanks for me. I want to change that MINDSET:cool:


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[oddblock]

Awesome - I'm sending that to my mates! Thank you :D

[ag3nt5mith]

Rofl....

Greatest post ever. :D

[1694]

Do we still get sprayed with Ice water if we try and climb the ladder?

[boots]

Do we still get sprayed with Ice water if we try and climb the ladder?


Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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[bulltwister]

Excellent post rob, where did this come from?

[ag3nt5mith]

Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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:D

[rob menard]

My Dad told me this one when I was about ten or so. Always stuck with me and I looked for it on the net and it was there. Pretty sure it was an actual experiment. He also told me some other great nuggets.
If someone calls you a horse stand like a man, before he goes shopping for a saddle.
Never stand in line to give someone your money.
Don't try to fit me for a bit and call it licorice.
Don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on using it, and if that's the case best use cover and concealment.
Never pick all the fruit from any tree.
When buying a bushel of apples, bring your own bushel. This way you can dump out the apples and see what's at the bottom, and be the nice guy giving the other back his basket.

Rob

[pinkfreud]

what a great post rob. thanks :D

that's what the masses have become :| hooting monkees >.<

[ownoiz]

that's what the masses have become :| hooting monkees

hooting 'programmed' monkeys.

Without the word 'programmed' you are pigeon-holing all monkeys, which is prejudice against monkeys which have not been programmed and dont naturally behave that way :D

[moondancer]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

This was actually done, hey.. its a test they did years back..

cant remember who, when or where though.. so it doesnt really help hey!

[malvern]

also heard this one ...some years ago and made me smile then.... thinking "those bloody bananas must be very black...even the firstmoneys would not want them".

still a graet example of group think , any discomfort to thier norm.... and they will kill..... not thinking who put the ladder and bananas in the room and set up the hose, them locked them in ..... this is going on all around the world everyday..... but it's not moneys it's men with guns


so it's all your fault Rob ..... your must be that money :D thanks for the post




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[moondancer]

also heard this one ...some years ago and made me smile then.... thinking "those bloody bananas must be very black...even the firstmoneys would not want them".

still a graet example of group think , any discomfort to thier norm.... and they will kill..... not thinking who put the ladder and bananas in the room and set up the hose, them locked them in ..... this is going on all around the world everyday..... but it's not moneys it's men with guns


so it's all your fault Rob ..... your must be that money :D thanks for the post




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Yep, all about how culture and behaviour is created within groups / teams of people..

Behaviour breeds behaviour

[sindakit]

here's all I have to offer as wisdom:

Never play leapfrog with a unicorn

;)

[dondaz]

That's a great analogy Rob. I wonder how many are prepared to learn from it though?

[1694]

Good onya monkey.:rolleyes:

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LOL, you have replaced one status quo with another. If we still get sprayed for climbing the ladder those are the facts, no matter what a new monkey might tell you.

[malvern]

LOL, you have replaced one status quo with another. If we still get sprayed for climbing the ladder those are the facts, no matter what a new monkey might tell you.

not if they talk to the monkey with the hose lol


well it's christmas ...i can be a pratt too
freedom is the grandchildren we are the care takers

[1694]

not if they talk to the monkey with the hose lol


well it's christmas ...i can be a pratt too
freedom is the grandchildren we are the care takers

Quite true....that is actually a very accute recognition of the facts. The hose bearer holds the power, the actions and beliefs of the caged monkeys is almost totally irrelevant. Now consider our situation, the hose bearer in our scenario gets to keep the bananas for itself if it can keep the other monkeys from getting them, and what's more they designed it that way specifically so that they would get the bananas and we wouldn't.

[lottie]

Im sure this analogy was printed in one of Ickes books a few years ago- i think it was 'Infinite Love'? Its a brilliant concept though and one i often tell friends when they question me about NWO stuff and sheep like behaviour...'why would anyone do that?' lol!!

[rob menard]

Quite true....that is actually a very accute recognition of the facts. The hose bearer holds the power, the actions and beliefs of the caged monkeys is almost totally irrelevant. Now consider our situation, the hose bearer in our scenario gets to keep the bananas for itself if it can keep the other monkeys from getting them, and what's more they designed it that way specifically so that they would get the bananas and we wouldn't.

You nees to increase your word comprehension skills. By the time all the monkeys are replaced, there is no mention of the hose. Here again you and only you add to the available information to create a picture which is untrue and use it to justify inaction. What about the hose you ask.

If you develop your word comprehension skills, you will see that the hose was not mentioned for the second part of the experiment. Neither was a brick or a flamethrower. So asking what about the hose is about as smart as saying, what about the flamethrower that the guy who was standing on the pile of bricks was holding.

You have a very infantile mindset I am afraid. Worrying about non existent hoses, adding things to a reality that do not exist and generally looking for reasons to justify your personal disempowerment. What about (____INSERT INANE NONSENSE HERE______)??? is how it manifests.

Peace eh?
Rob



Rob

[1694]

You nees to increase your word comprehension skills. By the time all the monkeys are replaced, there is no mention of the hose. Here again you and only you add to the available information to create a picture which is untrue and use it to justify inaction. What about the hose you ask.

If you develop your word comprehension skills, you will see that the hose was not mentioned for the second part of the experiment. Neither was a brick or a flamethrower. So asking what about the hose is about as smart as saying, what about the flamethrower that the guy who was standing on the pile of bricks was holding.

You have a very infantile mindset I am afraid. Worrying about non existent hoses, adding things to a reality that do not exist and generally looking for reasons to justify your personal disempowerment. What about (____INSERT INANE NONSENSE HERE______)??? is how it manifests.

Peace eh?
Rob



Rob

Good questions Rob, lets not bury our heads in the sand. Is there a brick or a flame thrower we need to be worried about? Or if we ignore that guarantee they don't exist?

Since we are playing management games 101:

http://www.sangraal.com/library/outside_the_box.htm

[micklemus]

Very interesting OP. Shame critical thought towards this subject matter (and indeed anything mentioned on this Forum) tends to be met with the mindset of either the original torturer or his monkeys.

Easy for us all to get carried away but that’s what individuality can too easily do. Sometimes it would behove us all to remember that we are the ocean, not the droplets.

[amandaooo]

Whose the Bas***d whose bright idea it was to throw ice water on the monkeys when they wanted bananas in the first place?. Get to them/him and cure them/him and only then will we all be able to eat in peace. You are all looking from the perspective of being in the rooms. Look outside the box.

NEXT!!!

I want the one about having a bottle of vodka and a chair and a dvd and a takeaway.

[rob menard]

Whose the Bas***d whose bright idea it was to throw ice water on the monkeys when they wanted bananas in the first place?. Get to them/him and cure them/him and only then will we all be able to eat in peace. You are all looking from the perspective of being in the rooms. Look outside the box.

NEXT!!!

I want the one about having a bottle of vodka and a chair and a dvd and a takeaway.

LMAO! That sounds like a good one!

[goldman]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

Here's my story: I'm a human who still has his soul to see through such propaganda to even considering it a valid resemblance of those who confront the fallacy of freema(so)nery.

What a generalization, ever heard of the poverty of metaphors? the map isn't the territory? I hear big words, only words. Show me the obvious Rob, show me that this isn't a recurring catch-22 product placement by the powers that be.

Of course now I will be more dis-liked, just because I speak my mind eh? consider who is the attacking monkey when commenting and ridicule my opinion, I guess some would still do because they understand the fallacy of the story. ;)

The fool who persist in his folly will become wise - Blake.

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[rob menard]

Show me the obvious Rob, show me that this isn't a recurring catch-22 product placement by the powers that be.

You ask I show/prove that 'A' is not 'B'. You ask I prove a negative. Who is more likely to be working for tptb when it is you asking that I perform an impossibility and publicly rejecting remedy unless it is shown to not be something else?

Would you perhaps accept me attesting or would you simply not find that acceptable, as I could be lying? Can you even describe what you would accept as 'show' or 'proof' or is this something that you will know when you see it, thus creating an endless and unresolvable challenge?

Prove you are not working for tptb by asking that question. Can you do that? Bet you can't at least not to my satisfaction. Therefore you must be working for them to derail this movement.

Is that fair?

Rob

[goldman]

You ask I show/prove that 'A' is not 'B'. You ask I prove a negative. Who is more likely to be working for tptb when it is you asking that I perform an impossibility and publicly rejecting remedy unless it is shown to not be something else?

No I ask you to provide a false negative, I want to see some validity in it plus verification. I hear, see but I haven't seen anyone pull this off all together and/or lives the happy life. So what I see, hear are rumors unless proven otherwise. Glossy tabloids are interesting, but far from the truth. Those who lived the true freemen life are all dead, see the Jim Jones town or the Quebec Order of the Solar temple examples.


Would you perhaps accept me attesting or would you simply not find that acceptable, as I could be lying? Can you even describe what you would accept as 'show' or 'proof' or is this something that you will know when you see it, thus creating an endless and unresolvable challenge?


Not at all. I ask you to show me that this is a sollution. Let's review history, please point me one group that succeeded in this. I think that's fair? we have thousands years of endurance stress testing, and it' certainly has been tried before. If not, make a video of people who are living the life as freemen, and aren't bogus freemen with a million dollar on their bank account funding indirectly various NWO schemes.



Prove you are not working for tptb by asking that question. Can you do that? Bet you can't at least not to my satisfaction.

I never said you work for it, I don't think you do. I think I never implied that either, if it comes across as such: I don't meant it. But I do feel that some might be influenced by it, I don't know you personally so I cannot tell. What I can tell is that history teaches me that these schemes fail for various reasons, but they all boil down to one conclusion: People. People are people, even good people can rise to power and be the biggest tyrant the world has ever seen. It's human nature, it is accepting that there is no sollution in change, look what revolution brought us, we are still all miserable.


Therefore you must be working for them to derail this movement.

Is that fair?

Rob

Just like those who derailed this movement:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=685101#post685101

Of course, if something happens to freemanery in the near future, people would say: it was a conspiracy against freemanery, they were brainwashed. Right, they would say that because it justified the means which gives away new ground for future movements. but remember that people who join this movement right now do it on free will and maybe due to clever product placements that one might not see directly. If I were in on it, I think I would say: Go do it, because that would fulfill a lot of people's agenda's, where martial law is only one of them. But yeah I know the answer already: conspiracy on convenience makes it hard to look critical at one self, while losing my credibility on this forum (if I haven't already) granted I don't follow someone's opinion if it isn't my opinion, no matter how unpopular I might be or get through it, because if I do I will loose true freedom, freedom to think for oneself and weighing the scales before blindly following the next scheme, trust but verify.


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[boots]

Glossy tabloids are interesting, but far from the truth. Those who lived the true freemen life are all dead, see the Jim Jones town or the Quebec Order of the Solar temple examples.


Get your facts straight.

Jim Jones was a CIA operative. Nothing to do with freeman who are individuals. Taking their own course, in becoming free.

How ridiculous to say this.

Are preying on the weak minded members and guest who post and view these topics, to turn them off looking into this subject. By putting out ridiculous statements, saying Jim Jones was a true Freeman or this Order of the Solar Temples crap as being Freeman.

Examples of Freeman who are happily leading a good life.

Rob Menard.
Mark Pytellek.
Mary Croft.
Mark Mc Murtie.
Winston Shrout.
Davis Thomas Hutching.
John Harris.
Irene-Maus:Gravenhorst.
Beatleha.
A few members on this forum who wont advertise it.
Many people in NZ.
Many people I know personally, living in Australia.

So that fucks your attempt and discrediting the Freeman movement.

If you had researched it, instead of having a knee jerk reaction, then you might know what you are talking about. Instead of looking like a Fool.

.

[micklemus]

...what was that about monkeys?

[armoured_amazon]

My Dad told me this one when I was about ten or so. Always stuck with me and I looked for it on the net and it was there. Pretty sure it was an actual experiment. He also told me some other great nuggets.
If someone calls you a horse stand like a man, before he goes shopping for a saddle.
Never stand in line to give someone your money.
Don't try to fit me for a bit and call it licorice.
Don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on using it, and if that's the case best use cover and concealment.
Never pick all the fruit from any tree.
When buying a bushel of apples, bring your own bushel. This way you can dump out the apples and see what's at the bottom, and be the nice guy giving the other back his basket.

Rob

Your dad sounds a wise man.

[dondaz]

Oh dear, what will they come up with next to try to discredit Freeman Philosophy?

Cheese???:D

[stickwhistler]

This thread reminds me or a true incident from years back.

I had moved into a house, and the rates were £££.
I put in central heating and double glazing.
I then demolished a downstairs chimney and had to put in an RSJ
to hold the structure above.
The nice building inspector passed the work,
and remarked about the heating and glazing.
A few weeks later I got a property tax (rates) increase.

My rates were going up by IIRC £7 per month.

I found out that the heating wasn't ratable i.e. they couldn't increase because of the heating,
although they could because of the glazing.
However, they could only increase the rates by a certain amount,
and if the increase did not meet that amount, no increase at all was permissible.
I wrote and said that the heating wasn't rate-able, and because of that
the glazing increase couldn't be applied because it was beneath the amount they
could increase it by.
They wrote back saying they would prosecute.
I wrote back saying that my legal advisors thought they were wrong,
and listed all the names in the book I got that info' from,
saying I'd bet my advisors were right and theirs were wrong,
and I'd let the courts decide.

They wrote back saying "We regret to inform you that we were mistaken .....!"
No increase!

I told my work mates, two of whom were in the exact same position.,
i.e. same type of houses, same work carried out, same rate-able value.
One guy said, "I don't believe you! They can do what-ever they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it, you'll have to pay."
So I took in all my paperwork, and showed it to the guys.

A different individual asked to borrow the letters etc,
and wrote exactly the same letter, merely substituting his details for mine.
He got his rates reduced and a refund too.
The first guy refused to believe him too, repeating his original argument,
bleating on how we couldn't do that (we had), they can do .... (they couldn't!)
and we were in the wrong (no we weren't).

He carried on paying his overcharged rates, we just thought he was pathetic,
blinkered into thinking TPTB were always right, and we were just slaves.
A sad mind controlled subject who refused to see what was in front of him,
and would not change his mind set, and thought that we should stay in the mire with him.

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.

[micklemus]

This thread reminds me or a true incident from years back.

I had moved into a house, and the rates were £££.
I put in central heating and double glazing.
I then demolished a downstairs chimney and had to put in an RSJ
to hold the structure above.
The nice building inspector passed the work,
and remarked about the heating and glazing.
A few weeks later I got a property tax (rates) increase.

My rates were going up by IIRC £7 per month.

I found out that the heating wasn't ratable i.e. they couldn't increase because of the heating,
although they could because of the glazing.
However, they could only increase the rates by a certain amount,
and if the increase did not meet that amount, no increase at all was permissible.
I wrote and said that the heating wasn't rate-able, and because of that
the glazing increase couldn't be applied because it was beneath the amount they
could increase it by.
They wrote back saying they would prosecute.
I wrote back saying that my legal advisors thought they were wrong,
and listed all the names in the book I got that info' from,
saying I'd bet my advisors were right and theirs were wrong,
and I'd let the courts decide.

They wrote back saying "We regret to inform you that we were mistaken .....!"
No increase!

I told my work mates, two of whom were in the exact same position.,
i.e. same type of houses, same work carried out, same rate-able value.
One guy said, "I don't believe you! They can do what-ever they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it, you'll have to pay."
So I took in all my paperwork, and showed it to the guys.

A different individual asked to borrow the letters etc,
and wrote exactly the same letter, merely substituting his details for mine.
He got his rates reduced and a refund too.
The first guy refused to believe him too, repeating his original argument,
bleating on how we couldn't do that (we had), they can do .... (they couldn't!)
and we were in the wrong (no we weren't).

He carried on paying his overcharged rates, we just thought he was pathetic,
blinkered into thinking TPTB were always right, and we were just slaves.
A sad mind controlled subject who refused to see what was in front of him,
and would not change his mind set, and thought that we should stay in the mire with him.

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.



Indeed

Such a shame. Baby and bathwater, monkey and nuts, whatever. There's no witch hunt going here, at least not as far as I'm concerned, but in my case there is definitely a reluctance to take anything at face value. If an inquisitive mind and critical thought make me a monkey then I'll go and find myself a tree right now.

I'm still looking at this but as of today maintain the opinion that this is, on the whole, about barrack room lawyerism and not being truly free.

One shall continue to enjoy the analysis and insults (and the irony of them) though! Good luck everyone, whatever your point of view. What's right for me may not be for you and vice versa. That's the beauty of life, diversity and...freedom.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=677113&postcount=36
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=678110&postcount=7
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=678186&postcount=40
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=684333&postcount=23

[yozhik]

Stickwhistler; great post (and relevant).

Thank you! :)

[pleasuredome]

I am reminded of that incident when e.g. bacon-von-fullof and 9416 at al chirp.

pmsl! :cool:

[goldman]

Get your facts straight.

Jim Jones was a CIA operative. Nothing to do with freeman who are individuals. Taking their own course, in becoming free.

How ridiculous to say this.



If he was CIA, why did he hire lawyers to generate new conspiracies? yes, they too were heavily into all sorts of theories. Read up the comparative studies of "freemen" movements. They all carry one signature: a Deuteronomium worldview e.g. good guys vs bad guys. Almost all of these movements called themselves freemen, and their settlement the freedom land. I present you facts, verifiable facts.


Are preying on the weak minded members and guest who post and view these topics, to turn them off looking into this subject. By putting out ridiculous statements, saying Jim Jones was a true Freeman or this Order of the Solar Temples crap as being Freeman.


By all means, don't stop looking into the subject, I applaud it. Because the more you will research, the more you can find out the truth about it, and who beholds it. All I do is showing counter arguments, and being name called for it. So are you one of the monkeys that starts to beat up others because you don't know how this "freemen" movement came to be? did you do research on why and how this movement came into existence in another form and shape? You really think this is the brainchild of Robert Menard? If you think so, you don't know anything about it. Are you researching it's origin or it's symptoms? great difference.


Examples of Freeman who are happily leading a good life.

Rob Menard.
Mark Pytellek.
Mary Croft.
Mark Mc Murtie.
Winston Shrout.
Davis Thomas Hutching.
John Harris.
Irene-Maus:Gravenhorst.
Beatleha.
A few members on this forum who wont advertise it.
Many people in NZ.
Many people I know personally, living in Australia.


Well so do I, I also live a happy life. Am I free now? I guess I am but without renouncing law society and without renouncing my neighbors. So what's the gain? being able to evade speeding tickets? is that true freemanery? How about being a human being and care for your fellow human? maybe that's freedom? But reality is like a piercing arrow, it gotta hurt.


So that fucks your attempt and discrediting the Freeman movement.

If you had researched it, instead of having a knee jerk reaction, then you might know what you are talking about. Instead of looking like a Fool.
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I have researched it, you don't know me so you cannot tell. But I went beyond that and started to look at the critics in order to come to a good conclusion. Kneejerk? whose name calling here? at least I have the balls to look at it from both sides to understand it's fallacy.

I'm entitled to my opinion. It's the sign of fascism to say to other people what they ought to think and do, if you don't like my opinion, come with better counter arguments just like I did. I showed you what could happen, what history teaches us, more in favour of forewarning rather than a solution for your problems in your life.


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[boots]

If he was CIA, why did he hire lawyers to generate new conspiracies? yes, they too were heavily into all sorts of theories. Read up the comparative studies of "freemen" movements. They all carry one signature: a Deuteronomium worldview e.g. good guys vs bad guys. Almost all of these movements called themselves freemen, and their settlement the freedom land. I present you facts, verifiable facts.


No facts at all. Nice try at derailing the thread:rolleyes:

Jim Jones was a CULT leader who was a programmer for the CIA. End of story.

Nothing what so ever to the individual Freeman movement.



By all means, don't stop looking into the subject, I applaud it. Because the more you will research, the more you can find out the truth about it, and who beholds it. All I do is showing counter arguments, and being name called for it. So are you one of the monkeys that starts to beat up others because you don't know how this "freemen" movement came to be? did you do research on why and how this movement came into existence in another form and shape? You really think this is the brainchild of Robert Menard? If you think so, you don't know anything about it. Are you researching it's origin or it's symptoms? great difference.


Your a blatant liar you have not looked into the legal aspects of this at all Counter arguements not based on FACTS. Is you opinion
Who ever said that Rob was the brainchild of this. Another stupid statement from you. No facts what so ever.
It is quite clear that you don't know anything about the law and cannot distinguish between common law and statues which are set up by corporations, which governments are.

The freeman philosophy has been there since the Magna Carta when the Barons realized that their rights to live freely were being taken away.



Well so do I, I also live a happy life. Am I free now? I guess I am but without renouncing law society and without renouncing my neighbors. So what's the gain? being able to evade speeding tickets? is that true freemanery? How about being a human being and care for your fellow human? maybe that's freedom? But reality is like a piercing arrow, it gotta hurt.


LOL it's like what David Icke has said that their are those that dont even know they are in a prison and happily lead their lives in a prison Statues govern corporate entities which is why you have a birth certificate with a registration number on it to show that you are one of their vessels.

Freeman philosophy is not about speeding tickets at all. Although this is how simple your mind is. It is about being a responsible member of society who will not bow down to unjust statutes.



I have researched it, you don't know me so you cannot tell. But I went beyond that and started to look at the critics in order to come to a good conclusion. Kneejerk? whose name calling here? at least I have the balls to look at it from both sides to understand it's fallacy.

You have not research it with an open mind, only one that operates from fear and servitude ROFLMAO Look up the word Kneejerk. lol. It is not a derogatory word, lol.

I'm entitled to my opinion. It's the sign of fascism to say to other people what they ought to think and do, if you don't like my opinion, come with better counter arguments just like I did. I showed you what could happen, what history teaches us, more in favour of forewarning rather than a solution for your problems in your life.


--

Any slave is entitled to an opinion, although in todays world it wont mean much if you are a slave. If you are a Freeman who understands the words used to trap you into servitude you can use those words of the corporations to get out of servitude. legally.

What counter arguments? that you are not a monkey and are one of the fascist moneys that say "stay down". "Dont do that", you'll get sprayed by the big monkey holding the hose.

.


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[intellection]

The truth doesn't need to be defended because it remains no matter. I get highly suspicious when a concept is defended and argued so vehemently. If this is a war over a commodity which can be taken away then it is not the truth. If it is then there is no need to fight.

This entire section is doing nothing for our vibrations.
Think about it guys.

[dondaz]

No piece of paper makes law. Law comes from the heart of good people, not decietful polititions or the crown.

Hey goldman, so what if those deluded 'jim jones' nutters called themselves freemen? How many people have called themselve that over the ages? Millions upon millions have done so. Get with the real world and stop trying to associate psychopath jim jones with Freeman on the Land and it's humane philosophy. The relationship you have tried to establish is a fiction of your mind and in your mind only.

Merry xmas!:)

[free2beme]

Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are sprayed with ice water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up.

Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. Now one of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room. Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder.

A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys begin to hammer the senses out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey.

One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Now there are eight new monkeys in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by ice water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why.

Are you one of the monkeys that will without knowing why attack those who are trying to get to the bananas?

monkeys? what monkeys? i see no monkeys. all i see are bells and dumplings.

[girlgye]

I'd nip off to the cooler and grab myself a beer. ;)

[asky]

Thanks for bumping this girlgye

The story is total nonsense and in reality the monkeys would fight for the banana.

Do you realy think a monkey would starve to death rather than fight for a banana.

Most analogies dont bear close examination
asky

[karl j]

Thanks for bumping this girlgye

The story is total nonsense and in reality the monkeys would fight for the banana.

Do you realy think a monkey would starve to death rather than fight for a banana.

Most analogies dont bear close examination
asky

I actually think it's a very good analogy, and i don't remember anything being said about starving to death, they can be fed elsewhere just at set times, the thing is those bananas are strung up there in plain site 24/7.
The analogy will always bear out close examiniation if you take it as it is and not add things.... like starving to death...!!
It's just about learned behaviour... it's called school and life in 'Society'

[girlgye]

Done and dusted. I'm ignoring his posts Karl but given you reposte it. That just about shows how his head works.:cool:

[asky]

Its a made up story to try and make you think that society conditions you.

Do you know what studies with monkeys has shown us about human behaviour.......................Nothing they are monkeys!!!!!

asky

[karl j]

Its a made up story to try and make you think that society conditions you.

Do you know what studies with monkeys has shown us about human behaviour.......................Nothing they are monkeys!!!!!

asky

Well.... change the monkeys to men then change the water to a hefty electric shock, change the bananas to Freedom, then lets see if any new men entering the cage don't get the shit kicked out of them everytime they try to climb that ladder.

[asky]

You think men are on the same intelligence level as a monkey??????

Dont you think men might work out the problem?

asky

[yozhik]

Its a made up story to try and make you think that society conditions you.

Do you know what studies with monkeys has shown us about human behaviour.......................Nothing they are monkeys!!!!!

asky

You're now refuting the work of behavioural scientists such as Skinner and Pavlov, who used animals extensively in their research into 'human behaviour'; specifically [but not limited to] conditioned response and behaviour modification?

Really??

Research'

Skinner Box
Pavlov's dog


HINT:
They weren't too interested in the psychology of rats and dogs, for the benefit of rats and dogs!

However, if you're going to be pedantic and insist on 'monkey' research; Harry Harlow.
Specifically; social deprivation experiments on monkeys and its application to the conditions offered to children in institutionalised environments.

[girlgye]

Nah he is not that well educated to know that when the Dog was caged and left to starve by his master until the bell rang he would get some food. Conditioning him to salivate everytime the bell rang.

Remind you of anyone Yozza?

[asky]

Off topic yozhik

The thread is about a group of monkeys being used as an analogy to human responses in the same situation.
My point is that men would behave differently than a monkey in the same situation.

asky

[rob menard]

And my point is that you are acting just like one of the monkeys who refuse to strive for the bananas and yet will attack with ridicule those who do try. That was the point of the thread. And you are doing it now. Put people in cages they can see, they will then work together as you claim to work it out. But put them in a cage they cannot see, better yet one they made and police themselves, and it does happen with people, and you can see it here, with you.

You are one of the monkeys, ridiculing those who see a different perspective, and attacking them for it. You call it entertainment, and find pleasure in it, because that is how small your own cage has become. And still you refuse to see it, for having made it yourself, your attachment is strong.

Come out of your cage little monkey, I will show you even more shadows out here, and I can show you the light that casts them...

[karl j]

You think men are on the same intelligence level as a monkey??????

Dont you think men might work out the problem?

asky

Sigh.... Actually, i have more faith in the monkeys to work it out than supposed intelligent men but intelligence has nothing to do with the experiment.... ever see Saw 1,2,3,4,5,6
I haven't but i believe it's the same experiment. Sorry if i'm wrong but as i say i haven't seen them just enough trailers to surmise...

[asky]

karl wrote
ever see Saw 1,2,3,4,5,6
I haven't but i believe it's the same experiment. Sorry if i'm wrong but as i say i haven't seen them just enough trailers to surmise...

Youre ideal for this freeman thing, taking something at face value without actually seeing it for yourself.

asky

[karl j]

karl wrote


Youre ideal for this freeman thing, taking something at face value without actually seeing it for yourself.

asky

I used the movie as an example as i guess everyone else reading understood, also because it has so many sequels and i expected you may have seen it but not as my sole ideal. The whole idea is about behavioural modification and whether it's a monkey or a man the result is the same...

[girlgye]

Sigh.... Actually, i have more faith in the monkeys to work it out than supposed intelligent men but intelligence has nothing to do with the experiment.... ever see Saw 1,2,3,4,5,6
I haven't but i believe it's the same experiment. Sorry if i'm wrong but as i say i haven't seen them just enough trailers to surmise...

Must I read his desperate riposte?

If he had any intelligence he would no that a monkey is able to solve complex calculus faster than any artificial intelligence and way surpassing any human brain.

[girlgye]

course he likens black people to monkeys. :)

[karl j]

Must I read his desperate riposte?

If he had any intelligence he would no that a monkey is able to solve complex calculus faster than any artificial intelligence and way surpassing any human brain.

Sorry, i will try and snip but i do want to be certain i am showing an answer to a specific post.. ;)

Also hence my post about having more faith in the monkeys :D

[asky]

girlgye wrote
If he had any intelligence he would no that a monkey is able to solve complex calculus faster than any artificial intelligence and way surpassing any human brain.

He has enough intelligence to be able to spell "know"

He also knows that a monkey would have trouble grasping the concept of sarcasm or irony.

course he likens black people to monkeys.
Show me one post on here or any other site where I have used any type of racist remark.
You on the other hand by posting this comment are sumbliminally exposing your own underlying racist tendancies.

asky

[rob menard]

He has enough intelligence to be able to spell "know"
your own underlying racist tendancies.

But not quite enough to know how to spell 'tendencies'.
:D

[yozhik]

Off topic yozhik

asky

How could it have been 'off topic' when it was a direct rebuttal of this;

Its a made up story to try and make you think that society conditions you.

Do you know what studies with monkeys has shown us about human behaviour.......................Nothing they are monkeys!!!!!

asky

Your original post was incorrect; the rebuttal clearly shows this.
The reply to the rebuttal was diversion; the rebuttal was direct and relevant to your post.

[asky]

Wheres you government document that declares you a freeman on the land then smarty pants

asky

[rob menard]

Wheres you government document that declares you a freeman on the land then smarty pants

asky

Really? 'Smarty Pants'???
Honestly? That is what you have?

Part of me cries for you.

To answer your question, right in front of me! Two sets of documents, both of which acknowledge by two separate entities, one a court the other a crown corporation with much power over the others, that I am a Freeman-on-the-Land.

Thank you for asking.

Rob

[asky]

I have two letters in front of me that says that Rob Menard is a "person" and is subject to statutory legislation just like everyone else ;)

asky

[number_6]

Two sets of documents, both of which acknowledge by two separate entities, one a court the other a crown corporation with much power over the others, that I am a Freeman-on-the-Land.


Would that be in the box marked: "Occupation"?

[girlgye]

He's gingerly changed the topic again to make it about freeman is aload of shite instead of a focus on how ridiculous his knowledge is.

[asky]

girlgye
You need to be able to read all the posts to follow a thread properly.

asky

[rob menard]

I have two letters in front of me that says that Rob Menard is a "person" and is subject to statutory legislation just like everyone else ;)

asky
BAZINGA!
See when will you learn?

Show me yours I will show you mine.
Mine bind government agents.
Does yours bind me?

Put up or shut up we like to say here.

Rob

[asky]

You are on your honour to show these documents to the people you seek to decieve.

I have no documents and neither do you.

asky

[yozhik]

You are on your honour to show these documents to the people you seek to decieve.

I have no documents and neither do you.

asky

Baiting again?

For your benefit?
Or your mates on randi?

:D

[rob menard]

You are on your honour to show these documents to the people you seek to decieve.

I have no documents and neither do you.

asky

I would agree if I was attempting to deceive. However since I am not doing so, I am not honour bound to show.

But now we do see you admit to lying.
And I still claim I have said documents.

Did I say BAZINGA???

BAZINGA!!!

:D

[lesactive]

You are on your honour to show these documents to the people you seek to decieve.

I have no documents and neither do you.

asky
You will not defeat this thread either. His docs, or at least one of them, has been posted over and over again for years and you could probably easily find a version of it online somewhere

stop mewling

[asky]

Post a link then please lesactive

Rob has nothing to add

asky

[saul]

You are on your honour to show these documents to the people you seek to decieve.

I have no documents and neither do you.

Why should we honour you, you are here to to dishonour/disrespect and to cause friction. Maybe we should start calling you "Trush"- as you are an Irritable cunt.

[lesactive]

Do your own research, or is that not recreational to you?

[asky]

insults and diversion tactics
typical

asky

[lesactive]

*sigh*
pot meet kettle
gremlin meet troll

[girlgye]

Why should we honour you, you are here to to dishonour/disrespect and to cause friction. Maybe we should start calling you "Trush"- as you are an Irritable cunt.

hehehhehehehehehe
Aherm.
Now now Saul. Fresh faced newbie an all. Anyone'd think you been taking lessons of Bones. :D

[yozhik]

Post a link then please lesactive

Rob has nothing to add

asky

I'm reminded of the words of a staunch and revered defender of his truth;

Do your own research

and I mean research.......

asky

:rolleyes:

[saul]

insults and diversion tactics

For you, you`re a complete wally. You have nothing to offer in this forum, except taking the piss, my-my- what a man(or boy).

Maybe when you have some hair on your balls, you might be able to have an intelligent conversion in this forum, instead of being a complete twat.

[asky]

Glad to see youre following my posts

Quick question Yoz, Have you seen Robs letters?

Yes or no will be fine and I can then do my research

asky

[saul]

hehehhehehehehehe
Aherm.
Now now Saul. Fresh faced newbie an all. Anyone'd think you been taking lessons of Bones. :D


That is Mr.Bones http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie132/00000290.gif

[yozhik]

Glad to see youre following my posts

Quick question Yoz, Have you seen Robs letters?

Yes or no will be fine and I can then do my research

asky

He he he ... huh?
Your decision re: research hinges on my answer??

Thanks for the elevated status asky ... but no thanks.
Don't drag me into this; do the research or don't.
It's your decision and yours alone.

Twist and spin that into whatever form you choose.

[asky]

So you havent
Thanks Yozhik

Its not been posted on this site by Masonic Rob anyway

asky

[rob menard]

Now I am 'Masonic'????


LMAO!

To that you now must resort?

Haa Haa Haa

BAZINGA!
Dude you are too easy.

[asky]

you were quick there Rob
Are you now or have you ever been a freemason.

asky

[saul]

Still waiting Trush.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102127&page=2

[yozhik]

So you havent
Thanks Yozhik

Its not been posted on this site by Masonic Rob anyway

asky

Right on cue ...


Twist and spin that into whatever form you choose.

:rolleyes:

asky ... a piece of free and friendly advice ... truly.

Change your game plan ... you're becoming predictable.
Not an insult ... I don't ever want you to become boring.
:)

[rob menard]

you were quick there Rob
Are you now or have you ever been a freemason.

asky

Nope. Absolutely not. Never.

Did some bricklaying and other kinds of masonry for many years. Blocks, concrete forming, seismic upgrading, framing construction. Mostly now like doing none load bearing structures in river rock, such as wall facings, BBQ, patios and the like. Am actually very good at it, and wish I could do more.

If I had a link handy I would show you... not really into trying to post a pic to prove it though. Hope you understand. If I could just upload one I would. I have one out there I used to answer this charge before, but do not know the link off hand. Sorry!

And to reiterate: NEVER BEEN A 'FREEMASON'!!!

[asky]

Now
What about those letters

asky

[_tzupidity]

Don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on using it, and if that's the case best use cover and concealment.

:D I love that.

I have a hypothetical about the monkeys. Let's say that one of the new monkeys had been gotten from a monkey pound after his owner had died. Noone realised, but the owner was a kung fu grandmaster. Each day the monkey watched his master and began copying his moves. By the time the monkey reaches the room with the other monkeys, he's a monkey bruce lee. He beats the other monkeys with ease and sits at the top of the ladder eating the bananas. As the only monkey who can get bananas, does he then become corrupt and start a monkey illuminati who worship the symbol of the banana?

[rob menard]

LMAO!!!!!

Monkey Illuminati Banana Worshiping Kung Fu Ninja's will one day rule the world!

[asky]

Dont forget the letters Rob
I wont

asky

[saul]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102127&page=2

Still waiting asky.

[asky]

saul
stop derailing threads
I will address your post dont worry about that.

asky

[_tzupidity]

LMAO!!!!!

Monkey Illuminati Banana Worshiping Kung Fu Ninja's will one day rule the world!

One day? My secret training facility has been operational for years. There was a small incident with our suicide baboon program so we had to scrap that but we're back on track now!

[yozhik]

you were quick there Rob
Are you now or have you ever been a freemason.

asky

off topic
diversionary
derailing

[saul]

saul
stop derailing threads
I will address your post dont worry about that.

When you post the correct info, that is your research and how you came to those conclusions, then as you put it "stop derailing threads", i will- not until.

[rob menard]

Dont forget the letters Rob
I wont

asky

I haven't. They are right here. But thank you for ensuring I remember how important they are, especially to those who seek freedom, and not its derailment.

Oh yeah, I sent photos to others, so they can confirm they exist. I figured you would want a witness.

Also, I am sure you do not want me to post information about myself you are not willing to post about yourself, so you will have to take someone else's word for it that they exist. Do you have a problem with that, or do you accept that the burden of your anonymity falls on you and not on me?


Peace eh?
Rob
:D

[asky]

Oh yeah, I sent photos to others, so they can confirm they exist. I figured you would want a witness.

Well
Who are these "witnesses"

asky

[rob menard]

Your good buddy. Yohzik.

Is he good enough?:D

[asky]

yes of course

But I fear he will not play ball.

So you are still at first base
asky

[_tzupidity]

Are you guys demonstrating the third way? While some monkeys try to get the bananas and some monkeys try to stop them, other monkeys sit around masturbating in a pile of their own shit?

Stop arguing ffs. Arguing takes two people or a schizophrenic. Don't be the second person and it won't happen. If you're schizophrenic then *hugs* :D

[rob menard]

This is not an argument, and you would be amazed at the patience I can demonstrate when teaching a puppy to take the stairs.

Rob

[saul]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102127&page=3

Still waiting asky.

[_tzupidity]

This is not an argument, and you would be amazed at the patience I can demonstrate when teaching a puppy to take the stairs.

Rob

I meant the usual ones. And the same ones that did it all over my thread the other day. Which noone seems to be able to answer weirdly. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101702

I can understand it in the more mainstream threads but I thought with the whole freeman thing being more involved it wouldn't happen over here. I was the wrong.

If any schizophrenics were offended by my last comment, I offer you this schizophrenic poem in appeasement.

Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic.
and so am I.

[yozhik]

asky ...

For what it is worth;
I have seen, with my own eyes, a Court document, sent in an envelope addressed [post marked, stamped] to Freeman On The Land, Robert-Arthur of the Menard family.

I have no reason or motive to lie.

[asky]

And thats your proof that statutes do not apply???????????

Dear me yozhik

I had a letter sent to me from the DVLA with the "#### of the family ######## on it.
Does that mean I am a freeman on the land too?

If he sent them a letter saying Rob Menard Freeman on the land, a secretary would most likely respond in kind.
Yes it would be a secretary that wrote the letter.

asky

[number_6]

Two sets of documents, both of which acknowledge by two separate entities, one a court the other a crown corporation with much power over the others, that I am a Freeman-on-the-Land.

yozhik said:
For what it is worth;
I have seen, with my own eyes, a Court document, sent in an envelope addressed [post marked, stamped] to Freeman On The Land, Robert-Arthur of the Menard family.


So the Court papers address rob as a FOTL, rather than within the papers acknowledge that he is a FOTL?

[saul]

Still waiting asky.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058615475&postcount=24

Are you going to proivide me with your research, or for the last time, are you are liar.

[rob menard]

Nope! Clerk of the court, after consideration and speaking with the legal department. These are judicial documents with all the stamps. Took them over 45 minutes to decide to file my documents under that name, knowing full well the ramifications and consequences. Went back and forth a few times.

JP came out and spoke with me, and then directed the clerk to accept and file.

That is also why I got them to do it TWICE with an expression of the consequences.

Showed it to a friend of mine. He is a lawyer. A QC in fact. (He likes what I do)

His jaw dropped.

Is real asky.

Now try calling it a secretary's blunder or automatic response. It is not that at all.

:D

Rob

[asky]

saul please stop hijacking threads and go and research Winston Shrout yourself.

I have and he is a con man

asky

[number_6]

Nope! Clerk of the court, after consideration and speaking with the legal department. These are judicial documents with all the stamps. Took them over 45 minutes to decide to file my documents under that name, knowing full well the ramifications and consequences. Went back and forth a few times.

JP came out and spoke with me, and then directed the clerk to accept and file.

That is also why I got them to do it TWICE with an expression of the consequences.

Showed it to a friend of mine. He is a lawyer. A QC in fact. (He likes what I do)

His jaw dropped.

Is real asky.

Now try calling it a secretary's blunder or automatic response. It is not that at all.

:D

Rob

So it's just a name? :rolleyes:

[rob menard]

Are you going to proivide me with your research, or for the last time, are you are liar.

He has already admitted to being a liar. Claimed he had documents, then admitted he lied.

So you know. Cause you came in late. I saved your seat though! :D

Rob

[yozhik]

And thats your proof that statutes do not apply???????????


asky

Huh??

Changing the goal posts again?

How did you get from being addressed as FOTL, which was the original discussion ... to 'proof that statutes do not apply'?

Please show me where, anywhere, in the last few pages - the discussions on this date - where I have made ANY reference to 'statutes do not apply' in this thread.

That random comment is so completely irrelevant and out of context, it beggars belief.

[asky]

Rob wrote
Nope! Clerk of the court, after consideration and speaking with the legal department. These are judicial documents with all the stamps. Took them over 45 minutes to decide to file my documents under that name, knowing full well the ramifications and consequences. Went back and forth a few times.

JP came out and spoke with me, and then directed the clerk to accept and file.

That is also why I got them to do it TWICE with an expression of the consequences.

Showed it to a friend of mine. He is a lawyer. A QC in fact. (He likes what I do)

His jaw dropped.


So you say.....
Is this another analogy or amusing anecdote I can never tell with you

asky

[asky]

So yozhik
Have you seen the evidence that Rob is spouting in the previous post or have you seen an envelope?

asky

[rob menard]

So it's just a name?

Now that I admit as clever!

But no, it is more than that. It is a name, but also a status, standing, position and one which the people in the court recognize places me above statutory control.
:D
Thanks for playing!

Rob

[number_6]

asky it would appear that he has used FOTL as a title nothing more.

[asky]

Rob Wrote
To answer your question, right in front of me! Two sets of documents, both of which acknowledge by two separate entities, one a court the other a crown corporation with much power over the others, that I am a Freeman-on-the-Land.

With this statement Rob do you wish to say that this is evidence that you are free to ignore statutory laws.

You claimed you sent yozhik a letter and he seems to be saying it was an envelope??
Can you get your stories in line please

asky

[karl j]

asky it would appear that he has used FOTL as a title nothing more.

Huh..!!!! that just contradicts what Rob wrote in the post right before yours.... unbelievable !!!:rolleyes:

[number_6]

Huh..!!!! that just contradicts what Rob wrote in the post right before yours.... unbelievable !!!:rolleyes:

Does it? Getting a Court to address their paperwork to you using a title of your choice is completely different to getting a Court to issue a judgment that acknowledges that you hold a title.

[yozhik]

asky ... number_6 ... lightindarkness ... you guys really are becoming a comedy routine
Is it common procedure for randi folk to move goalposts?
Is that part of the deal when you sign up over there?

You ask for proof of 'X'.
Its supplied.
Then you say; "but that doesn't prove 'Y'.

However, whenever YOU'RE asked for proof, to support your ridiculous accusations and unsubstantiated claims; you refuse to give it.

Or as asky very recently offered as 'proof';
Do you have evidence that Shrout has not accessed his bond?
YES

If 'YES', will you make it available on this forum to substantiate your claims?
Yes , its called the "balance of probabilities"
It is far more likely he hasnt than has.

Good enough for me

asky


The 'balance of probabilities' ????????????
You're taking the piss.

This is evidence?
Is this the official randi yardstick for randi-esque skepticism?
Demand proof from those you are debating, but only offer 'the balance of probability' to substantiate your position?

Too fucking funny ...

number_6 ... lightindarkness ... I'm sure you're both life members of randi ...
Do you also subscribe to this modus operandi?
is this like an 'in house' joke on the randi boards?
Go onto other sites, derail and pollute them ... demand proof so you can spin it and twist it ... but when asked for proof in return, either run away, avoid, ignore the requests or when no other option is available, offer 'the balance of probability' as the premise for your entire argument?

So what now ... do you head back to randi for some good 'ol back slapping and congratulatory posts?
Whooping it up at the expense of others?

The balance of probabilities says you do.

[asky]

Hes gone now number 6
as per the script :rolleyes:

asky

[yozhik]

asky ...

The balance of probability heavily weighs in favour of Rob
There is your evidence.

"That's good enough for me"

Isn't that how it works with you guys?

[asky]

Yozhik

Yes no please
Did you see a letter from Rob Menard saying that he had freeman status?

Did you see an envelope addressed to Rob Menard which had FMOTL in its address.

asky

[rob menard]

Rob Wrote


With this statement Rob do you wish to say that this is evidence that you are free to ignore statutory laws.

You claimed you sent yozhik a letter and he seems to be saying it was an envelope??
Can you get your stories in line please

asky

1) Yeap. Irrefutable by any court officer here.

2) I did not claim any such thing. You are twisty. Is that on purpose or through negligence? I said I sent him photos. That is what I said. That is all I said.

To clarify, they are photos of the envelopes, hand addressed by the provincial court clerk, and stamped by Canada Post which contained the responses to my court action against a certain party. The responses themselves are also addressed in the exact same fashion.

These are court documents stamped and signed by a clerk of the court. Want the number, you can call the court and check yourself the names upon those public court documents? Of course that would reveal one great big thing: That court itself has recognized me as a Freeman-on-the-Land and did so with the Post Master General as witness. You can bet your ass those envelopes can be used by me against any officer of the court to stop them from treating me as anything but a Freeman-on-the Land.

Peace eh?

Rob

[number_6]

yozhik, Menard wrote:
Two sets of documents, both of which acknowledge by two separate entities, one a court the other a crown corporation with much power over the others, that I am a Freeman-on-the-Land.

Note, acknowledge that he is a FOTL
But it would appear that they only acknowledge that he calls himself a FOTL
Do you not understand the difference?

[asky]

Really???????

You will need to show that "freeman on the land" is a title that actually exists.

asky

[yozhik]

yozhik, Menard wrote:


Note, acknowledge that he is a FOTL
But it would appear that they only acknowledge that he calls himself a FOTL
Do you not understand the difference?
There is evidence.
The balance of probability weighs heavily in Rob's favour.

That's good enough for asky.

[saul]

Really???????

You will need to show that "freeman on the land" is a title that actually exists.

asky

asky, you are a liar. I have given you a couple of hrs to backup your statement about Winston and thus far you have not. You have no research on Winston, done by yourself, thus you are a liar.

[asky]

saul
By the tone and content of your posts its past your bedtime

asky

[saul]

saul
By the tone and content of your posts its past your bedtime

asky

You`re still a liar.

[asky]

Have some cocoa and take teddy to bed.
You are getting cranky

asky

[saul]

Have some cocoa and take teddy to bed.
You are getting cranky

asky

Still a liar, eh!

[yozhik]

Yozhik

Yes no please
Did you see a letter from Rob Menard saying that he had freeman status?

Did you see an envelope addressed to Rob Menard which had FMOTL in its address.

asky

asky ...

With all due respect, you're asking the wrong man.

As you well know ... as number_6 delighted in reporting to the board ... and as I'm sure lightindarkness revelled in ... your fellow sceptics on randi think I'm ... what was the word number_6? ... imbecilic ... yes, yes ... I'm particularly imbecilic ...

Why on earth would any learned and intelligent randi member refer to an imbecile, on any issue?

[asky]

saul
You will end up with a warning if you keep trolling the threads harassing posters.

Now kindly stop it.

asky

[rob menard]

And you are getting condescending.

Just so you know, 'condescending' that is when people talk down to you...
Just thought you might need help with that big word.

:D:D:D

[saul]

saul
You will end up with a warning if you keep trolling the threads harassing posters.

Now kindly stop it.

asky

You`re a scumbag lair, show me your research if i am wrong- simply really.

[yozhik]

And you are getting condescending.

Just so you know, 'condescending' that is when people talk down to you...
Just thought you might need help with that big word.

:D:D:D

Wow.

Not just a definition ... but an example to go with it!

:rolleyes:

[asky]

Well well yozhik

You ask me questions and I answer them

I ask you and you deflect

You will be losing what credibilty you have if you continue to back Menards charade

I dont mind because I know what he is , you on the other hand could retain some dignity here by answering the questions

asky

[saul]

Well well yozhik

You ask me questions and I answer them

I ask you and you deflect

You will be losing what credibilty you have if you continue to back Menards charade

I dont mind because I know what he is , you on the other hand could retain some dignity here by answering the questions

asky

You`re a confirmed liar, what right have you to ask anyone a question-liar

[asky]

If you want to pin me down ask me something in here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101499

Remember the rules though

asky

[bones]

did sumone mention mr bones? lol ...


only sumtimes!

just put em all on ignore.:p

[_tzupidity]

I went to get a coffee and now I'm confused. Why all the fuss about titles?

One of my service providers had the bright idea a couple of years ago, to let people choose their own 'personal greeting'. The rule was that anything you put in the box on the letter they sent would be printed on your letters and the people in the call centre had to call you buy it when they answered your call. It was a well meant attempt to filter out those who like being called Sir, Mrs, Ethel or...

I put Oh Holy One to see what would happen. After I got a couple of automated letters and bills starting "Dear Oh Holy One," I thought I'd phone up to test it. My joy was deflated by a girl on autopilot who, after we did the dance of data protection which is customary among my people, said; "Thank you mister O'Hollywon how can I help you?" I sighed and hung up.

Titles and letters are fine things but what happens in 4d is what counts. I'd rather hear about that.

[yozhik]

Well well yozhik

You ask me questions and I answer them

I ask you and you deflect

You will be losing what credibilty you have if you continue to back Menards charade

I dont mind because I know what he is , you on the other hand could retain some dignity here by answering the questions

asky

asky ...

You won't get a rise out of me.

By association, you have already labelled me imbecilic.
To now offer some faux honour of 'credibility according to asky' or 'dignity as prescribed by asky' ... well ... how can I put this ... it means nothing to me.

It has no value.

Strip me of 'asky credibility points' or cancel my 'asky dignity account'; trust me ... I won't miss it.
As you earlier stated; "it's just an online forum" ... right?

Nothing personal ... right?

[saul]

If you want to pin me down ask me something in here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101499

Remember the rules though

asky



Where is your research and conclusions, nothing in that threat points to it. If you wish to go an cry to a Mod, by all means liar. Until you post your research on how you came to your conslusions about Winston, i shall continue to call you a liar

[asky]

fill your boots saul

It doesnt matter to me.

asky

[number_6]

Why all the fuss about titles?



There is a small issue about somebody here claiming that a Court acknowledges that he holds a title and all of the benefits that accompany that title, whereas it would appear that all he has done is convince the Court that he uses that title in correspondence. You are right, why all the fuss? Another non story.

[saul]

fill your boots saul

It doesnt matter to me.

asky

It never does to a liar.

[rob menard]

Nope. Wrong again.

Actual court documents filed under that Title and Name.
AND
Mail recognizing such.

So :P :D

Rob

[number_6]

saul, stop trolling, start your own thread.

[bones]

It never does to a liar.

liar liar bums on fire! speaking of fire ive got a chilly con carne in there brb!

[_tzupidity]

There is a small issue about somebody here claiming that a Court acknowledges that he holds a title and all of the benefits that accompany that title, whereas it would appear that all he has done is convince the Court that he uses that title in correspondence. You are right, why all the fuss? Another non story.

If someone makes a claim they should prove it but that's not gonna happen here. There's always someone who'll argue and doubt it. I think everyone understands it. I just find it an odd thing to debate when you can ask anything you like.

I have a question Rob. Have you at any time wanted to be a Mounty?

[number_6]

Nope. Wrong again.

Actual court documents filed under that Title and Name.
AND
Mail recognizing such.

So :P :D

Rob
Exactly. You have used a title. So what? I could start a society of my choosing tomorrow and give myself a title.

[asky]

http://www.thewaterengine.com/law/redemption/
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm

Here saul
One for and one against
Have a read

asky

[rob menard]

Prove it they cry! Show me court documents acknowledging you as a Freeman-on-the-Land!
Do so and they cry "Those don't count!"

Registry File Number: 0928521
Registry Location: Vancouver
Provincial Court of British Columbia

Unsigned and unverified reply from Carmel Wiseman Filed Dec 18th, 2009.

Clear court documents that refer to 'Freeman-on-the-Land Robert-Arthur of the Menard'

So how do you now claim the court does not recognize me as a Freeman-on-the-Land when I have two sets of documents both stamped by them, that identify the acceptance of that status? Or do you wish to claim it means nothing? I can easily work with that. BAZINGA.

Rob

[number_6]

But, rob within those papers is there a decision from the Court that you are indeed a FOTL and enjoy the benefits that go with being a FOTL?

[karl j]

If someone makes a claim they should prove it
Funny that's what we keep asking of the councils and police and government and they don't prove it either... :p

[asky]

Scan the letter Rob and lets see it.

Stop messing about

asky

[rob menard]

Why would I need that, when no one is disputing it here, and by their existence, I have proof the clerk of the court has already acknowledged that existence and status?

Why go to the court to get them to agree that what is written on the envelope and on the documents is what is written? At what point do you just read for yourself and not leave it to some other party to interpret the meaning of the words? Can you ever see yourself getting there?

As it is, I have agreement with the clerk of the court, and my opponent, The Law Society and one of their own Counselors, witnessed by the Post Office, that I enjoy the Title, status and standing of a Freeman-on-the-Land.

So if that is the case, tell me why I should need a court to decree the truth we all accept? If I went and sought what you think I need the court would look at me like a fool. They would wonder what more do you need? I have all I need to convince any officer of the court here. I have shown it to one, and they were shocked and amazed.

Nope thank you faceless someone across the ocean, I have what I need here to deal with those who would otherwise claim power over me. You do not have to accept it, they do.
And they do.

Rob

[number_6]

Right, so no actual Court decision. You choose to give yourself a title in your correspondence, big deal. It has no legal standing.

[asky]

Does it say anywhere in the Canadian statute books that Freemen on the land are exempt from the said statutes?

ASKY

[yozhik]

I've asked our resident lawyer and randi shill, lightindarkness, to define 'legal standing'.
He either couldn't or wouldn't, despite using the term.

So, number_6; please define 'legal standing'.

Does it mean, from you reasoning and rationale, that unless there is a court decision, there is no 'legal standing'?
Does this apply to everything?

[rob menard]

Scan the letter Rob and lets see it.

Stop messing about

asky

Tell us your name and how you make your money and stop messing about. Scan documents evidencing you are a person. Come on. Show me the way, do not ask me to lead and then refuse to follow. I will show you these documents if you identify yourself. Or check them out yourself, and be a coward.

You ask a lot considering how very little you give. Do I know you? Do I owe you? Do I care what you think? Will my scans change your mind at all, now that we have seen your motive and intent and lack of ability to expand your thought process? The answer to all those is no.

Maybe I will maybe I won't. What is absolutely sure is I will not be serving you. (Having tried, I know it is a failing proposition and there is no proof you will accept.)

Peace eh?
Rob

[asky]

Yozhik

Yes no please
Did you see a letter from Rob Menard saying that he had freeman status?

Did you see an envelope addressed to Rob Menard which had FMOTL in its address.

asky

bump yoz

[rob menard]

Does it say anywhere in the Canadian statute books that Freemen on the land are exempt from the said statutes?

ASKY

Nope. And nor does it say that they are, and standard Statute interpretation means they must not apply, for they do not say they do.
Thanks for playing!

Bazinga!

:D

[asky]

Rob wrote
there is no proof you will accept.

Which translates as "I have nothing"

asky

[yozhik]

I know it is a failing proposition and there is no proof you will accept.



Not true Rob; asky will accept 'the balance of probabilities' as proof.

[_tzupidity]

Funny that's what we keep asking of the councils and police and government and they don't prove it either... :p

very good point :D

[rob menard]

Rob wrote


Which translates as "I have nothing"

asky

Taken out of context again. Hey asky, lets get back to the one big fat juicy question you want to avoid. Shall I start a new thread for it?

Why do you enjoy causing harm?

Remember that one?

[number_6]

Why do you enjoy causing harm?


What about the harm you cause? Desperate people looking for a soloution to their problems, and you tell them to access their bond?

[asky]

Rob wrote
Nope. And nor does it say that they are, and standard Statute interpretation means they must not apply, for they do not say they do.
Thanks for playing!

Bazinga!

So by that reasoning I could claim to be "King of my back garden" and get some government bodies to write back to me and include that in my title and as such there is nothing in the statutes to say that I must abide by those statutes.

Great

ASKY

[sindakit]

I've made a promise to myself to not feed trolls anymore but thought I'd add this in:

List of Honorary Freemen of the City of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not an exact definition of what a 'Freeman' 'Title' would give someone, (i.e. exemption from statutes) but I'm posting it to highlight the fact such a title exists, although this is a 'city of London' example.

It mentions 1800 people a year apply and pay a 'fine' to earn the freedom, others are invited - take from that what you will but surely there must be some benefits to holding such title

[yozhik]

bump yoz

asky ...

You and your brothers of randi have labelled me imbecilic.
Recently you have implied I have very little credibility [if any] and an equally questionable measure of dignity.

How on earth is any reply from me going to be valued or considered worthy?
What is the point of answering when it has already been prejudged as meaningless or substandard?

[asky]

Thanks yoz your avoidance to answer and loyalty to Rob is commendable and yet dispicable at the same time

asky

[asky]

sindakit

Freeman "on" and freeman "of" are very different indeed ;)

Try and find anything thats not on a "freeman on the land" website that uses the term "on" the land.

PS its made up very recently :rolleyes:

asky

[rob menard]

What about the harm you cause? Desperate people looking for a soloution to their problems, and you tell them to access their bond?

Baseless presumption without foundation or support. What about the harm I SUPPOSEDLY cause? Got proof?

I have literally thousands of emails and letters from people thanking me. They do not feel I harmed them at all, quite the opposite is the truth.

So again :P
:D
Rob

[rob menard]

Rob wrote


So by that reasoning I could claim to be "King of my back garden" and get some government bodies to write back to me and include that in my title and as such there is nothing in the statutes to say that I must abide by those statutes.

Great

ASKY

Now you are complaining about standard statute interpretation used by all the courts and those who craft and interpret them? Believe it or not, if a statute does not specifically mention a previously existing right, it is deemed to not affect that right.

So you do not like it, or the ludicrous extreme such a belief might create, if taken to a ludicrous extreme. You shall reject the truth based ONLY upon its effect upon you, like the truth is only that which has a positive effect upon your existing paradigm.

Truth is truth, regardless of its effect upon you. And the truth is neither you nor your representatives can lawfully govern me or anyone else without their consent. That is the Freeman perspective. You either reject it or accept it. Do you claim the right to govern others without their consent or do you say that you may be governed without your consent and thus so must others?

Just curious. I see you have already shut yourself to the truth if it does not fall in line with previously held and since defended beliefs. Can't let go can you? It would seem weak to you, I guess.

Peace eh?
Rob

[yozhik]

Thanks yoz your avoidance to answer and loyalty to Rob is commendable and yet dispicable at the same time

asky

let he who is without sin, cast the first stone ...

[rob menard]

Thanks yoz your avoidance to answer and loyalty to Rob is commendable and yet dispicable at the same time

asky

Hmmmm...
Is it the avoidance to answer which is the commendable part and the loyalty the despicable, or the other way around? Based on the order you mentioned, and what we know about your love of avoidance, it would seem that the way you phrased it was the way you intended.

I am curious though which is which in your mind.

Avoiding a question is commendable, and loyalty is despicable, right? That is your stated position, right?

[yozhik]

Well, at least I'm 'accused' of being loyal to a man and not a fictional system.
Every cloud has a silver lining ... despite being labelled as despicable.

I'm still drawn to the simplicity of;
"those seeking equity must do equity" or "equity must come with clean hands".

[clean hands doctrine]

[girlgye]

1) Yeap. Irrefutable by any court officer here.

2) I did not claim any such thing. You are twisty. Is that on purpose or through negligence? I said I sent him photos. That is what I said. That is all I said.

To clarify, they are photos of the envelopes, hand addressed by the provincial court clerk, and stamped by Canada Post which contained the responses to my court action against a certain party. The responses themselves are also addressed in the exact same fashion.

These are court documents stamped and signed by a clerk of the court. Want the number, you can call the court and check yourself the names upon those public court documents? Of course that would reveal one great big thing: That court itself has recognized me as a Freeman-on-the-Land and did so with the Post Master General as witness. You can bet your ass those envelopes can be used by me against any officer of the court to stop them from treating me as anything but a Freeman-on-the Land.

Peace eh?

Rob

Wow this has become a predicatable bore fest.

Ok but you enter a foreign juristiction as a vessel even though you say you are foreign free agent and they just over turn your documents bada bing bada bong.

[rob menard]

they just over turn your documents bada bing bada bong.

When did that happen? Or are you merely supposing and fear mongering?

The fact is it is not what they can do with my documents but what I can do with them that matters. And the fact is I can do a whole lot with them.

Who are they to over turn my documents, especially when they are stamped by a court they serve UNDER?

Now all you cats in England can say whatever you want. My lawyer friend here his eyes bulged and his jaw dropped, cause he realized the ramifications. If you do not that is too bad. And it is not like the clerk did not know what they were doing and how I would use those documents. They knew.

Canada is Not England and here since these people who you claim might just 'over turn them' well we re all equal, so I would just re-overturn them.

The idea that they would just over turn my documents and I would not be able to do it in return is a mindset based on a childish belief in inequality. "Nanny is all powerful! She will just over turn your documents!"

Guess what, that nanny is just a human being, with no right to touch my documents without my consent.

[girlgye]

OK fair enough. :) Don't see the point of even bothering then. Go to court. Judgy wudgy sees court stamped documents deems them tat.
You go back do the judgy wudgy as being a fraud.
Judgy wudgy higher endorse lower judgy wudgy decisoin.
You go back and do judgy wudgy senior for being a fraud.
On and on.

I'd really like to see how this helps those who are in the middle of losing their cars, their properties, their livelihoods etc.

[rob menard]

Well, I think you may have been undone by your experiences maybe you have lost some faith. I do not know. However, it would be very unlikely for that to happen here.

Judge: Who are you?
Me: Here read this stamped envelope to determine that...
Judge: NEXT CASE!

They have identified me as a FMOTL under the stamp of Canada Post. Who is going to over turn the friggin Post Master General and his contention that party A sent to Party B an envelope with these words on it? And if one party sent a document identifying the recipient as a FMOTL, and did so under the lawful witness of Canada Post then the recipient now has clear color of right as a defense for any actions he may engage in, including disobeying the courts. Not that I do not already have lawful excuse by way of a claim of right...

Peace Eh?
Rob

[karl j]

We still discussing Monkeys..... ? :p

[girlgye]

aha aha aha!

[asky]

Rob wrote
They have identified me as a FMOTL under the stamp of Canada Post.

Which means what exactly?
There is no such title as FMOTL and as such it carries no weight in law.

asky

[yozhik]

Which means what exactly?
There is no such title as FMOTL and as such it carries no weight in law.


Errr ... right back at ya ... :rolleyes:


Which means exactly what?

[asky]

What do you think it means yoz?

Read any law book
Go into any courtroom and tell them you are a freeman on the land
Tell a police officer you are a freeman on the land

Its not a title!!
Its a made up name.

Come on yozhik really??????
asky

[rob menard]

Good morning asky. Of course there is silly boy! If there wasn't why would it be on my documents, put there by a clerk of the court AFTER consulting with his legal department and involving a JP to decide?

Myself and a second party, with a court acting as witness have all agreed there is such a title and status. You may not be party to that agreement, but you are not attempting to govern me so your opinion is of no concern to me. You are not qualified nor contracted to render a legal determination which can bind me. So your opinion is kinda like you just farted on the internet. It means NOTHING. Whereas my documents, DO MEAN SOMETHING and DO ACHIEVE AN EFFECT.

People here who would otherwise attempt to govern me do recognize that these envelopes and their contents create a certain reality, one which for them to dispute requires them to dispute not just with me, but with their provincial court.

I might be willing to post a pic of one, if you would be willing to post a pic of an envelope addressed to you. With NOTHING blacked out of course....

[number_6]

Judge: Who are you?
Me: Here read this stamped envelope to determine that...
Judge: NEXT CASE!


rob, do you realise how ridiculous such a statement makes you appear?

[karl j]

Read any law book
Its not a title!!
Its a made up name.


Me thinks there maybe a new precedent then...... just because it doesn't exist in the lawbooks does not mean that it wont be in next years....:cool:

[number_6]

Me thinks there maybe a new precedent then...... just because it doesn't exist in the lawbooks does not mean that it wont be in next years....:cool:

That would require a court decision. Something it would appear that Mr Menard at this time lacks.

[yozhik]

What is it with your fixation and obsession with court decisions?
Do you require a court decision to have a shit in the morning?
Or is that something you can do without?
Would that shit have a legal standing?
Or would it be an unrecognised shit and one without title?
If it has no title; who owns it?

[asky]

stop trying to take it off topic please yozhik

asky

[number_6]

What is it with your fixation and obsession with court decisions?


karlj mentioned "precedent" and an appearance of FOTL in law books of the future. That is why I voiced the requirement of a decision by a court.

[karl j]

That would require a court decision. Something it would appear that Mr Menard at this time lacks.

Your quite right... Mr Menard does not... but maybe Robert of the Menard family does....

[karl j]

karlj mentioned "precedent" and an appearance of FOTL in law books of the future. That is why I voiced the requirement of a decision by a court.

I understand why both of you asked what you did, and 6, you do have a tendency to ask for the proof in court decisions, maybe stems from your legal viewpoint... whatever that really is... (rhetorical)

[yozhik]

What do you think it means yoz?

asky

What I think is irrelevant when it is you who used the term.
What does it mean to YOU?

[asky]

SEE POST 191
Asky

[yozhik]

SEE POST 191
Asky

Refer to question in post 190 ... still not answered.

[asky]

Stop acting daft yoz
You are only giving james randis members more ammunition

asky

[yozhik]

Stop acting daft yoz
You are only giving james randis members more ammunition

asky

asky ... randi trolls will spin and twist what they desire into whatever creation they like.
Besides; I'm already labelled an imbecile ... so I'm on a win-win :)

Those randi trolls that use my posts, do so with full knowledge that fellow randi trolls have already judged me to be an imbecile, so only an imbecile would use the work of an imbecile ...

Being an imbecile, I don't actually care what ammunition is or is not used by the parasitic randi trolls.

I'm also quietly amused that you would even attempt such a veiled threat or 'baiting' attempt.
Thanks for the chuckle.
:D

[asky]

Imbiciles dont know they are imbiciles if they did they wouldnt be imbiciles ;)

asky

[rob menard]

I knew a very simple man once. Problems with his birth resulted in heavy retardation. Had the mind of a four year old. But he knew it. Knew he had been robbed somehow and that he was different.

He was also one of the most blessed and peaceful souls I had ever met, and his imbecility and outlook put my intelligence and beliefs to shame, and when I changed routes, I was not so proud of my intelligence and my outlook had shifted considerably.

[asky]

Was this "shift" before or after you laughed in the face of a sick man and wished death on him?

Dont try and paint a picture that I am uncaring Rob.

asky

[rob menard]

When did I ever do such a thing? I am not the type to wish death on others. Why would you even talk like that? I may have said things that I later realized were insensitive, but that is not wishing death on others.

You really have to go that low, then tell me to not paint you as uncaring?
If you were caring why would you make such a blatant outright and slanderous lie about me?

[yozhik]

"Why do you make fun of people and belittle their beliefs?", asked one man of another.

"For fun!" ... exploded the other, adding, as an afterthought ... "but don't try to paint me as uncaring".

[karl j]

"Why do you make fun of people and belittle their beliefs?", asked one man of another.

"For fun!" ... exploded the other, adding, as an afterthought ... "but don't try to paint me as uncaring".

ROTFLMFAO.... can't stop.... can't speak.... ohh my sides hurt... :D:D:D

[yozhik]

Imbiciles dont know they are imbiciles if they did they wouldnt be imbiciles ;)

asky

I actually wasn't aware I was an imbecile until your fellow Randi member - number_6 - pointed it out to me, by posting the quote from the Randi FOTL thread, which you would have read with much enjoyment and thus had full knowledge of ...

So I guess given I didn't know I was an imbecile, until it was pointed out to me, actually confirms I am one?
According to Randi members anyway ...


What I find acutely telling and somewhat curious ... is that another forum, dedicated to 'THE truth', would actually dedicate an entire section, to this subject.

I'm also intrigued as to why you swoop, as a pack ... and then report back to the mother ship [one can only assume]

Do you not have enough information to discuss amongst yourselves?
Its a little sad that you need to descend on a 'village of imbeciles', to find something to talk about ... :cool:

[asky]

yozhik wrote
What I find acutely telling and somewhat curious ... is that another forum, dedicated to 'THE truth', would actually dedicate an entire section, to this subject.


You obviously didnt see what thread section it was in :rolleyes:

asky

[yozhik]

yozhik wrote


You obviously didnt see what thread section it was in :rolleyes:

asky

Correct.
It's not a place I frequent asky.

But given you, number_6 and lightindarkness are [I assume] registered members or regular readers, if not contributors - correct me if I'm wrong - then I know that if it appeals to The Three Stooges, it ain't for me.

[asky]

I know that if it appeals to The Three Stooges, it ain't for me.

I know that yoz, they expect people to answer questions on there.

asky

[yozhik]

I know that yoz, they expect people to answer questions on there.

asky

Is that why all three of you [still not sure who is Curly, who is Mo an who is Larry] avoid questions here?
Which you do.

Avoid and deflect ... oh and if you receive an unexpected answer, you revise, spin, twist, distort and deny.

Leading and loaded questions ... it isn't big and it isn't clever.

You question, to belittle and scavenge ... which, by your own words, you enjoy doing.
Most question to expand knowledge and exploration of ideologies and testing the boundaries of the paradigms we trap ourselves in.

You question to suppress, ridicule, destroy and humiliate.

[asky]

You must have missed my yes no dont know thread........... oh no you skillfully avoided it didnt you :rolleyes:

asky

[yozhik]

You must have missed my yes no dont know thread........... oh no you skillfully avoided it didnt you :rolleyes:

asky

Yes

[asky]

hang out the bunting hes answered one :)

asky

[yozhik]

hang out the bunting hes answered one :)

asky

ah ... but which one :D

[asky]

It doesnt matter you will probably change your mind.

asky

[yozhik]

It doesnt matter you will probably change your mind.

asky

Have you never changed an opinion asky?

I have.
When I was a young boy, I had an opinion that girls weren't fun to play with.
It's an opinion I changed, over time.

So accrediting the ability to 'change my mind', to me; I actually take as a compliment.
I know you didn't intend it to be one, but I assure you, it is.

What is the alternative?
Having all views and opinions fixed and immovable?
Oh wait ... I forgot ... you frequent the Randi forum; thats their credo.
:rolleyes:

[da1reppinqnz]

lol ive heard about this story once.. but never understood wat it was about til i read this... thx for posting