You missed the memo, everyone is already chipped.

[walkinglucid]

" The number of mobile cellular subscribers worldwide will reach the 4 billion mark by the end of 2008, the head of the United Nations International Telecommunications Union (ITU) announced yesterday. "

- United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization

I feel people have been overlooking and over thinking this whole micro chipping conspiracy. Sure, we see news headlines about the veri-chip and various other types of RFID implants - but lets make clear one thing. How long would it take, for such an idea/plan to catch on to mainstream acceptance? Such an idea provides humans with no further conveniences, so why would society accept such an idea?

Cell phones provide convenience - Cell phones are social acceptable, almost interwoven with society - Cell phones can track you - Cell phones can make you sick - Cell phones can listen to you - Cell phones can tell you what to do - EVERY ONE HAS CELLPHONES ! ! ! !

Cell phones are the overt microchip - so overt in fact, that not even you have noticed.

GET RID OF YOUR PHONE!

[pinkfreud]

i agree. cell phones are more of a bane than boon.


from http://www.mobiledia.com/news/36141.html:


Cell Phone Microchip that Mimics the Human Brain

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:07 am


Mobile phones could one day have the memory capacity of a desktop computer thanks to a microchip that mimics the functioning of the brain, scientists report today (9 September) in the journal Science.

Researchers from Imperial College London, Durham University and the University of Sheffield say their new computer chip design will enable large amounts of data to be stored in small volumes by using a complex interconnected network of nanowires, with computing functions and decisions performed at the nodes where they meet a similar approach to neurons and axons in the brain.

Currently the memory chips of mobile phones have a very limited capacity, making it impossible to store the videos that the new generation of phones can record. Electronics firms have been looking at miniature hard drive disks as a possible solution but so far the high expense of this option has rendered it unattractive.

This latest research, however, has the potential to develop a chip that combines the storage capability of a hard drive with the low cost of memory cards, potentially increasing memory capacity by 200 times from an average of 500MB to around 100GB.

Lead researcher Russell Cowburn, Professor of Nanotechnology in Imperial's Department of Physics, explains: "The new video mobile phones are very popular, but they desperately need more memory so that people can take longer videos and store them. This technology has the potential to transform mobiles into fully functioning video cameras, in addition to a range of other applications."

The technology is based on the discovery by Professor Cowburn and colleagues that by using nanotechnology it is possible to reproduce the key functions of semiconductor electronics in microchips using only the 'spin' of electrons, which is responsible for magnetism, rather than the more conventional 'charge' that traditional microchips use.

This has allowed them to construct a completely new architecture for electronics in three dimensions rather than the two dimensional flat structure of conventional microchips, an approach Professor Cowburn compares to using cupboards instead of table tops for storing goods. He says:

"Traditionally we have used electronics for microchips and magnetism for hard disk drives. This discovery allows us to combine these two approaches to make a new generation of 3D microchips that can store so much more information than a flat two dimensional surface."

The team is now working with commercial partners to develop the technology and is currently building a more advanced demonstrator chip using full microchip manufacturing facilities.



also see http://www.rense.com/general63/FACTS.HTM and http://www.rense.com/general60/tetra.htm

[ownoiz]

I couldnt agree more. Cellphones are a bug, a tracking device for almost everyone on this planet. And now with photo and video capability well who knows who is looking or listening to you.

A cellphone is a GLOBAL POSITIONING SENSOR, a TRANSMITTER with a MICROPHONE, and recently VIDEO CAMERA, they have INBUILT RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES that store power even when the battery is flat or removed. It doesnt take an einstein to FIGURE OUT what a cellphone is capable of doing for TPTB.

I remember when cellphones first became mainstream, maybe 10 yrs ago it was, i was watching a comedian (dark humor) he said something along the lines of "Ah cellphones, soon everyone will have their own personal tracking device"

Although he had the crowd with most other jokes, it seemed that no-one but me understood what he was getting at :( and no-one laughed they were confused.

I remember Cellphones and sim cards were easy to get at the start with little or no ID required, or fake ID. It was easy. Then they started cracking down, and we know that means they want to know who you are in case they miss a trick, be able to track everyones conversations and moves.

I know plenty of people including myself who were suspicious from the start. Use them only when you have to, BE AWARE that anything you say CAN BE HEARD OR RECORDED, and when you dont need it keep it away from your body, especially your head, where you sleep or where it can hear you. If you can, put that bug in a Faraday cage when you dont use it. Some MICROWAVE OVENS work as faraday cages. ;) :cool:

[infin8_possibility]

i agree. cell phones are more of a bane than boon.


from http://www.mobiledia.com/news/36141.html:


Cell Phone Microchip that Mimics the Human Brain

Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:07 am


Mobile phones could one day have the memory capacity of a desktop computer thanks to a microchip that mimics the functioning of the brain, scientists report today (9 September) in the journal Science.

Researchers from Imperial College London, Durham University and the University of Sheffield say their new computer chip design will enable large amounts of data to be stored in small volumes by using a complex interconnected network of nanowires, with computing functions and decisions performed at the nodes where they meet a similar approach to neurons and axons in the brain.

Currently the memory chips of mobile phones have a very limited capacity, making it impossible to store the videos that the new generation of phones can record. Electronics firms have been looking at miniature hard drive disks as a possible solution but so far the high expense of this option has rendered it unattractive.

This latest research, however, has the potential to develop a chip that combines the storage capability of a hard drive with the low cost of memory cards, potentially increasing memory capacity by 200 times from an average of 500MB to around 100GB.

Lead researcher Russell Cowburn, Professor of Nanotechnology in Imperial's Department of Physics, explains: "The new video mobile phones are very popular, but they desperately need more memory so that people can take longer videos and store them. This technology has the potential to transform mobiles into fully functioning video cameras, in addition to a range of other applications."

The technology is based on the discovery by Professor Cowburn and colleagues that by using nanotechnology it is possible to reproduce the key functions of semiconductor electronics in microchips using only the 'spin' of electrons, which is responsible for magnetism, rather than the more conventional 'charge' that traditional microchips use.

This has allowed them to construct a completely new architecture for electronics in three dimensions rather than the two dimensional flat structure of conventional microchips, an approach Professor Cowburn compares to using cupboards instead of table tops for storing goods. He says:

"Traditionally we have used electronics for microchips and magnetism for hard disk drives. This discovery allows us to combine these two approaches to make a new generation of 3D microchips that can store so much more information than a flat two dimensional surface."

The team is now working with commercial partners to develop the technology and is currently building a more advanced demonstrator chip using full microchip manufacturing facilities.



also see http://www.rense.com/general63/FACTS.HTM and http://www.rense.com/general60/tetra.htm


Jeez, use your brain - this has been metioned so many times before... When you ain't using your phone; take out the battery and use it for necessary purposes only...

They chip mobile phones as well as other everyday electrical devices; as if this is a BIG SURPRISE???

[pinkfreud]

read the article. it says cell phones will have a chip that syncs with brain signals and can determine your thoughts. im guessing this will perhaps be introduced with the advent of 5G phones.

i know all electrical devices are harmful. but this is worse.

[infin8_possibility]

read the article. it says cell phones will have a chip that syncs with brain signals and can determine your thoughts. im guessing this will perhaps be introduced with the advent of 5G phones.

i know all electrical devices are harmful. but this is worse.

Well fine, fair doos, it's all well and good providing evidance to a problem...

So what's the SOLUTION?

[pinkfreud]

So what's the SOLUTION?


option 1: not using a cell phone :D

option 2: since option 1 seems far fetched, even to me, we could just stop giving in to the temptation of upgrading to such a device when it's out in the market.

[infin8_possibility]

option 1: not using a cell phone :D

option 2: since option 1 seems far fetched, even to me, we could just stop giving in to the temptation of upgrading to such a device when it's out in the market.

Hmmm I have noticed after upgrading my phone there is a definite louder buzzing to it compared to the previois model...

[pinkfreud]

Hmmm I have noticed after upgrading my phone there is a definite louder buzzing to it compared to the previois model...


ditto. i upgraded my phone and am absolutely in love with it, but if i talk for more than 15 mins it becomes hot and i get a dull throb on the left side of my head. in fact, my headaches have become more frequent after buying this phone so i try and stick to texting as much as i can.

i have no intention of upgrading from this point on. and i would advise everyone else not to buy into the 4g/5g craze.

[infin8_possibility]

Yeah, my auntie knows the score... she hasn't upgraded her phone since the early 00's.

As she quite rightly puts it " A phone is a device to send and recieve calls - nowt else"

I AGREE!

[ownoiz]

and i would advise everyone else not to buy into the 4g/5g craze.

Yeah, my auntie knows the score... she hasn't upgraded her phone since the early 00's.

Same here i have an early 00's phone. And ive still got an even older Nokia 5110 brick from 1998 that i slip my simcard into sometimes.

Apparently the newer the phone the worse it is. Well its just common sense ey with newer technology and all.

And while were on the subject of electrical devices and bugs etc, dont forget cars too...

The Powertrain control Modules in later model cars (around 1998 on) can be data collectors and positionong sensors, recording your driving habits etc.
For example if you have an accident and the airbags are deployed your speed can be recorded and recovered. Just like a black box.

I have heard reports on other forums of people being prosecuted using this information, i cant confirm if this is true or not but i def know the information can and is recorded in some of those units, and can be retrieved with the correct software.
.

[dreamweaver]

Yeah, my auntie knows the score... she hasn't upgraded her phone since the early 00's.

As she quite rightly puts it " A phone is a device to send and recieve calls - nowt else"

I AGREE!

+1

[eternal_spirit]

ditto. i upgraded my phone and am absolutely in love with it, but if i talk for more than 15 mins it becomes hot and i get a dull throb on the left side of my head. in fact, my headaches have become more frequent after buying this phone so i try and stick to texting as much as i can.

i have no intention of upgrading from this point on. and i would advise everyone else not to buy into the 4g/5g craze.


The one I have is about 4/5 years old maybe older someone gave it to me because they got a new one.
I had terrible headaches for months, most days.

The battery went flat, months ago. I've now decided not to bother replacing the battery. Maybe it was the phone causing the headaches. Because I've not had one since and before having a mobile I rarely had headaches.

What freaked me out sometimes when I turned it on I used to get a strange feeling in my hands, maybe that's normal though. Although it felt terribly strange to me.

[eternal_spirit]

Alan Watt on a show months ago (can't remember which one) I think he said with all the chemtrails and some of the metals they contain, we breath them in and become a walking antenna and can be traced, blimey maybe we even glow in the dark when tracked.

They already have nano chips which are the size of a particle of sand, easily put in food, water or chemtrails. Also ones that can fit into a syringe, doctors, dentists etc wouldn't know, the chips would be put there during the manufacture of for example syringes or vaccinations.

[eternal_spirit]

Bloody phone!
Mobile phones are great but they could be more convenient. What if you didn't have to carry one with you all the time, or have to keep charging it? What if you had a working phone that was powered by pizza and literally always at your fingertips? Sound ridiculous?

New technology now allows for a Bluetooth device to be permanently implanted beneath the skin and just above the muscle layer. Just push a small dot on your arm and the display appears allowing you to communicate wirelessly using the device.

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[the itinerant shrubber]

Cell phones can track you but they dont necessarily know who you are and they're not going to track you unless they know who you are. If you buy your phone with cash,then you're anonymous.

[ownoiz]

Cell phones can track you but they dont necessarily know who you are and they're not going to track you unless they know who you are. If you buy your phone with cash,then you're anonymous.


If you live somewhere where you can do this then thats the best option.

Here in Australia we need ID to buy a simcard or phone+simcard. And TPTB check your background to see if you exist before they connect your number, so even faking the ID would have to be elaborate and beyond the means of most ppl...only way to be anonymous here is if you buy a stolen phone with rechargeable credit account from a dead person who wont request a trace on the phone to get it back. :(

[pinkfreud]

Here in Australia we need ID to buy a simcard or phone+simcard. And TPTB check your background to see if you exist before they connect your number, so even faking the ID would have to be elaborate and beyond the means of most ppl...

exactly.

buying a phone with black money wouldn't be of any use if you want to remain anonymous, because your sim/phone card which you purchase is handed over only if you reveal some details about yourself and hand over some documents (here). we're already on record, and unless you're cool with having your phone as a showpiece and not buying buying a card (phones are meant for making and receiving calls eh ;)), you're fucked.

[ownoiz]

Hi pinkfreud, i think in the USA and maybe other places u can get throwaway phones or buy them cash thats what shrubbers saying (i think) someone would have to confirm.

Those days are long gone here :(

(ownoiz hears sheeple saying, why shouldnt the police be listening to everything you say, you must want to engage in criminal activity, you are a troublemaker, you hate democracy, i love democracy, the police are there only to protect me because i voted, my vote makes a difference, i love the police, i love being chipped and bugged)

:p

[logic bomb]

Hi pinkfreud, i think in the USA and maybe other places u can get throwaway phones or buy them cash thats what shrubbers saying (i think) someone would have to confirm.

Those days are long gone here :(

I don't know about the US but in the UK I can go to my towns outdoor market and pick up a Sim for £1 and a phone for £10. Top up vouchers can be bought anywhere for cash.
Buying new in shops doesn't require ID either as far as I know.

[ownoiz]

I don't know about the US but in the UK I can go to my towns outdoor market and pick up a Sim for £1 and a phone for £10. Top up vouchers can be bought anywhere for cash.
Buying new in shops doesn't require ID either as far as I know.

Well that doesnt suprise me, we are very heavily policed in Australia, speaking of long gone...the days of G'day and Crocodile Dundee are long gone too..even Paul Hogan cant stand it here, he lives in LA and only comes back once in a while to go to court because the Australian Taxation Office is chasing him for more money, shit they got enough out of him already :rolleyes:

[pinkfreud]

until a few years back, anyone could buy a sim card and also the recharge in denominations of rs 20, 75, 200, 500 and so on. just get it from a general store and you were done with it.

identification was not required at all for pre-paid cards till 'terror strikes' (*cough bullshit cough*) took place around 2 years back, where the accused were found with around 23 phone cards or something bought from the roadside or some shit.

it's been mandatory to provide details thereafter.

[kiwimaj]

" The number of mobile cellular subscribers worldwide will reach the 4 billion mark by the end of 2008, the head of the United Nations International Telecommunications Union (ITU) announced yesterday. "

- United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization

I feel people have been overlooking and over thinking this whole micro chipping conspiracy. Sure, we see news headlines about the veri-chip and various other types of RFID implants - but lets make clear one thing. How long would it take, for such an idea/plan to catch on to mainstream acceptance? Such an idea provides humans with no further conveniences, so why would society accept such an idea?

Cell phones provide convenience - Cell phones are social acceptable, almost interwoven with society - Cell phones can track you - Cell phones can make you sick - Cell phones can listen to you - Cell phones can tell you what to do - EVERY ONE HAS CELLPHONES ! ! ! !

Cell phones are the overt microchip - so overt in fact, that not even you have noticed.

GET RID OF YOUR PHONE!

GREAT POST !!!!

I got rid of my phone a few years ago, as I developed nasty health problems due to it. Since ditching it my health improved fantastically ! Even now, simply holding one in my hand for a few seconds, can sense the crap coming out of it. I agree with this poster...the powers that be have integrated this into society and now virtually everyone has one. But, IMO, they are extremely dangerous, from a health and personal freedom, point of view.

If you have a mobile, you can be tracked. Such a shame so many have been brainwashed into believing they need a mobile..I survived many years of living until mobiles were introduced and I never had any problems keeping in touch with people..

In NZ they feature young children in ads for mobiles, very worrying indeed and shocking...the young brain is still developing and to allow very young children to use them is at its best, madness. Also very worrying, pregnant women using them, some studies have found that babies in the womb being exposed to mobiles can cause behavioural and emotional problems later in life.

Warning: Using a mobile phone while pregnant can seriously damage your baby

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/warning-using-a-mobile-phone-while-pregnant-can-seriously-damage-your-baby-830352.html

[kiwimaj]

I developed a myriad of health problems from the phone, including HORRENDOUS headaches, constant ones that lasted for hours, side of my head heating up, it felt like my brain was boiling expanding and heating up, nausia, and even texting, I was not immune, I could feel this awful sensation in my hand and arms going up towards my head as I texted, memory loss, and the onset of panic attacks, amongst other awful things...

But since ditching my phone I have not missed it one single bit !!

Here are the advantages to NOT having a mobile phone...

Not being brainwashed into upgrading to the "latest model", every couple of months or so, like all the other sheeple around me..

Saved untold amounts of money not topping up or having a monthy contract

I have the freedom to go out and about without having anyone bothering me..

If I need to make a call when out...you know what I do...I use a...

PUBLIC PHONE BOX

ooooooooo...I know, very last century...but hey, it works out a hell of a lot cheaper than having a mobile !

I have not noticed my landline bill any higher either, in fact I use the phone LESS and email more.

Since I have not had a phone I have not had ANY problems with communication with others.

You can have a very normal and effective life without having to own and use a cellphone.

;)

[cleopatraxxx]

Cell phones can track you but they dont necessarily know who you are and they're not going to track you unless they know who you are. If you buy your phone with cash,then you're anonymous.

UNFORTUNATELY MY FRIEND "Cell phones can track you but they dont necessarily know who you are" THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT:

Open a bank account, When u apply for a job, or apply to rent your living space, or register at the clinic/hospital, register your child at school, etc... what do you give them as Your contact details? IF IN ONLY ONE OF THEM YOU PROVIDE YOUR MOBILE PHONE, from that moment They KNOW GOD DAMN WELL ALL YOU DO VIA MOBILE CALLS: to family, for business, EVERYTHING.

ALL CALLS ARE REGISTERED (from and to) , all sms are kept in their database.

[januspolanski]

You can get around this by leaving your phone at home like I do. If it ever breaks or I lose it I wont get another.

[celtic isis]

" The number of mobile cellular subscribers worldwide will reach the 4 billion mark by the end of 2008, the head of the United Nations International Telecommunications Union (ITU) announced yesterday. "

- United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization

I feel people have been overlooking and over thinking this whole micro chipping conspiracy. Sure, we see news headlines about the veri-chip and various other types of RFID implants - but lets make clear one thing. How long would it take, for such an idea/plan to catch on to mainstream acceptance? Such an idea provides humans with no further conveniences, so why would society accept such an idea?

Cell phones provide convenience - Cell phones are social acceptable, almost interwoven with society - Cell phones can track you - Cell phones can make you sick - Cell phones can listen to you - Cell phones can tell you what to do - EVERY ONE HAS CELLPHONES ! ! ! !

Cell phones are the overt microchip - so overt in fact, that not even you have noticed.

GET RID OF YOUR PHONE!

best post ever :)

quick edit to say it used to freak me out big time when vodafone used to know when i was back in france before i myself did lol

Barely off the plane and my phone was already getting sms messages from them telling me welcome to france lol

[queenofleon]

" The number of mobile cellular subscribers worldwide will reach the 4 billion mark by the end of 2008, the head of the United Nations International Telecommunications Union (ITU) announced yesterday. "

- United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization

I feel people have been overlooking and over thinking this whole micro chipping conspiracy. Sure, we see news headlines about the veri-chip and various other types of RFID implants - but lets make clear one thing. How long would it take, for such an idea/plan to catch on to mainstream acceptance? Such an idea provides humans with no further conveniences, so why would society accept such an idea?

Cell phones provide convenience - Cell phones are social acceptable, almost interwoven with society - Cell phones can track you - Cell phones can make you sick - Cell phones can listen to you - Cell phones can tell you what to do - EVERY ONE HAS CELLPHONES ! ! ! !

Cell phones are the overt microchip - so overt in fact, that not even you have noticed.

GET RID OF YOUR PHONE!

WRONG!

I dont.

And when I talk to anyone about anything to do with this I make sure they take their battery out.

[astrochicken]

..and whats better than the ultimate tracking device that also gives you
brain tumors..

[halleyscomet]

read the article. it says cell phones will have a chip that syncs with brain signals and can determine your thoughts. im guessing this will perhaps be introduced with the advent of 5G phones.


5G? More like 5000G. That kind of technology is a few generations away at best. Even if it does eventually exist, it would require calibration to each specific human being and would take another generation to be miniaturized to the point where it could be implanted in a cell phone.

By "generation" I don't mean "generation of technology" but human generation. It would be highly optimistic to say the least to assume such technology MIGHT exist within 150 to 200 years.

Take a look at this story:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16267-mindreading-software-could-record-your-dreams.html

That link reflects the current state of the art in mind reading technology. Getting a fuzzy image of one of a handful of preselected images required each subject spend a prolonged period of time in a massive medical scanner. This included an extended calibration period.

Mind reading technology is still science fiction.

[astrochicken]

The really scary thing about cellphones is, that unless the battery is PHYSICALLY removed, they also work as remote microphones.

Understand the implications of that (anyone i know selling anything illegal requires phones left in the adjacent room ;) )

If you leave your phone, switched off, on the kitchen table then *THEY* can hear everything that is being said inside that room.

Another thing is the whole HD digital tv revolution, ask yourself why would, for example the US government, subsidize Digital TV technology to the tune of 8 billion.

To give everyone a clearer picture?

[halleyscomet]

Another thing is the whole HD digital tv revolution, ask yourself why would, for example the US government, subsidize Digital TV technology to the tune of 8 billion.

To give everyone a clearer picture?

Analog signals eat up a much wider swath of the frequency range than digital. A switch to analog means less of the total frequency range is being used for broadcast television. As a result, the government can license the same space to MORE people. The new licensing fees will allow them to recoup that investment in a couple of years. After that, they'll be profiting from the additional fees. It's a bit like adding lanes to a toll road.

[astrochicken]

Analog signals eat up a much wider swath of the frequency range than digital. A switch to analog means less of the total frequency range is being used for broadcast television. As a result, the government can license the same space to MORE people. The new licensing fees will allow them to recoup that investment in a couple of years. After that, they'll be profiting from the additional fees. It's a bit like adding lanes to a toll road.

Imagine what you can do with all that extra bandwidth.. mind-control, subliminals etc. etc.

The government is not going to invest that kind of money to generate revenue.

[wildheartx]

I suffer from Electrical Sensitivity and the newer phones definitely let off higher frequencies and more radiation. The worst offenders are the slide phones. I don't know the technical name for them but im far worse around those models. Where you slide the panel to use it. The ones that bother me the least are the old Nokia ones. The real chunky looking things. The ones you flip up are quite bothersome too but the slide ones are the worst.

[halleyscomet]

Imagine what you can do with all that extra bandwidth.. mind-control, subliminals etc. etc.

The government is not going to invest that kind of money to generate revenue.

Hmmm, there's a bidding war over the bandwidth that's going to be opened up, and a whole slew of commercial applications being proposed. What evidence you you have that these are false flags out to deceive us about how the bandwidth is going to be used?

Do you have any actual evidence, or just the vague fear that the government is out to control your mind?

I suffer from Electrical Sensitivity and the newer phones definitely let off higher frequencies and more radiation. The worst offenders are the slide phones. I don't know the technical name for them but im far worse around those models. Where you slide the panel to use it. The ones that bother me the least are the old Nokia ones. The real chunky looking things. The ones you flip up are quite bothersome too but the slide ones are the worst.

Really? The phones that bother you the LEAST are the old ones that belch out 20x the electromagnetic radiation as the newer models?

What's the mechanism behind which higher frequencies can cause more distress?

By the way, you can get more information on the actual frequencies used by various technologies here:

http://www.wirelessadvisor.com/

[wildheartx]

Yup the older ones are least bothersome and i've spoken to fellow sufferers of this condition and they all agree the newer models are far far worse which is indeed contradictory when it comes to the frequencies themselves, so maybe theres something else involved.

[halleyscomet]

Yup the older ones are least bothersome and i've spoken to fellow sufferers of this condition and they all agree the newer models are far far worse which is indeed contradictory when it comes to the frequencies themselves, so maybe theres something else involved.

Perhaps the cause of the symptoms differs from what they suspect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_sensitivity#Etiology_and_evidence) and they're seeing patterns that aren't there. The mainstream explanation is that electromagnetic fields are the cause, but things like the experiences you describe, as well as research involving Faraday cages, casts doubt on that assumption. You'd do well to look past the explanations that have been spoon fed to you.

[astrochicken]

Hmmm, there's a bidding war over the bandwidth that's going to be opened up, and a whole slew of commercial applications being proposed. What evidence you you have that these are false flags out to deceive us about how the bandwidth is going to be used?

Do you have any actual evidence, or just the vague fear that the government is out to control your mind?


Oh, you're right, i'm paranoid, nothing to worry about.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9mxYoglwskI/SLGsPhbKu9I/AAAAAAAAAIw/ZObMmU6giPs/s400/tvdees%5B1%5D.jpg
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http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k122/rhoda_010/tv_gallery_dees.jpg

[antinwo]

Nice piccies:D

[halleyscomet]

Nice piccies:D

They do not, however, constitute evidence.

[astrochicken]

They do not, however, constitute evidence.

I can't provide evidence for JFK's murder, pearl harbour, the gulf of tonkin incident nor for saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

You're right, no evidence. Move along, go back to sleep, nothing to see here.

[halleyscomet]

I can't provide evidence for JFK's murder, pearl harbour, the gulf of tonkin incident nor for saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

You're right, no evidence. Move along, go back to sleep, nothing to see here.

What's the point you're trying to make?

The first three things you listed were historical events. I assume you were talking about the theories surrounding them. Those theories have at least some tentative data around them, including a few laws of physics that would need to be stretched to the limit for the JFK Assassination to go according to the official reports.

As for Saddam, we had AMPLE evidence, including the Downing Street Memo that there were NO WMDs after the Kuwait war. All the evidence points to George W lying like a dog about the WMDs and an Iraq / 9-11 connection as an excuse to resolve his Daddy issues. You should question FOX news a bit more, instead of swallowing the stories the media spoon feeds you.

All your examples are events or theories for which there is at least SOME evidence but you failed to provide so much as a URL to support your claim. Why should I believe YOU over anyone else? For all I know you could just be a schizophrenic confusing the voices in his head with something real.

[astrochicken]

Why should I believe YOU over anyone else?

I've never tried to force my opinion on anybody.
Why on earth would i wish to do that?


Fascinating.

People here claim to have information I do not. Every time I ask for some resources I get insulted and belittled because I don't just "believe" whatever random people on a web site are telling me.

Are you ALL incapable of providing information or resources? Does everyone here devolve into insults the moment someone asks a question? If you want people outside your current circle to believe you, it's necessary to engage in some education instead of blind, thoughtless insults. If you respond to a request for more information with an insult, people will assume you just don't have any information to provide.



For all I know you could just be a schizophrenic confusing the voices in his head with something real.



and i'm a voice-hearing schizophrenic eh?


You certainly would appear to have issues that need attending to.


Have a nice time on the forums i'm no doubt are paths will cross again.

[halleyscomet]

I've never tried to force my opinion on anybody.
Why on earth would i wish to do that?



and i'm a voice-hearing schizophrenic eh?


You certainly would appear to have issues that need attending to.


Have a nice time on the forums i'm no doubt are paths will cross again.

Thank you. You've proven my point nicely. Instead of trying to provide some of the information I'd originally requested, you decided to lob another insult. I'm left with only this conclusion: You have no evidence other than your own theories and you place the value of those theories above observable reality.

I was pissed off. Now, I just pity you.

[astrochicken]

Thank you. You've proven my point nicely. Instead of trying to provide some of the information I'd originally requested, you decided to lob another insult. I'm left with only this conclusion: You have no evidence other than your own theories and you place the value of those theories above observable reality.

I was pissed off. Now, I just pity you.


Harsh words there.

How about you doing some research of your own, as someone on another thread suggested?

Show me proof, show me proof. LOL.

Classic Stage 1.

Keep at it, you'll get there yet.

[halleyscomet]

Harsh words there.

How about you doing some research of your own, as someone on another thread suggested?

Show me proof, show me proof. LOL.

Classic Stage 1.

Keep at it, you'll get there yet.

The funny thing is, someone in the other thread DID provide me some background information. It turns out I was already in agreement with many of the core principles being discussed. The entire argument erupted because the person to whom I spoke refused to clarify their position.

If I were to spend hours researching every comical claim I found online I'd have no time to sleep or eat. Do YOU spend hours researching every claim someone makes to you? Let me know when you sufficiently understand the issue to provide a few links supporting your view. You're the one making extraordinary claims and the burden of proof is upon you.

http://www.ct.gov/dcp/cwp/view.asp?a=1629&q=415924

One reason is the option of improved quality -- digital television (DTV) enables broadcasters to offer better picture and sound quality and additional channels. It can also offer multiple programming choices, called multicasting, and interactive capabilities.

Another important reason is that converting to DTV will free up parts of the federally-regulated broadcast spectrum, which is nearly full now. Because digital television signals take up a much smaller space on the spectrum than analog signals, the switch will allow the government to reclaim some broadcast capacity and redeploy it for public and safety services, advanced wireless services, or sell it.

What sources do you have that claim otherwise? I've found sites accusing Obama of having a personal, spite related reason to delay the conversion and accusations of government greed in desiring additional licensing fees. What information do YOU have to support the extreme claim that the government will use that bandwidth for mind control or some other nefarious purpose?

[walkinglucid]

Please stop this meaningless argument... The purpose of this thread was to establish a new thought I had - and share it with the community - not to start a flame war.

Lets just relax...


and HalleysComet - if you want evidence, find it yourself. Don't rely on anyone else.

[dude111]

EVERY ONE HAS CELLPHONES ! ! ! ! Not all of us!

I refuse to own 1 of these small pieces of garbage WITH NO ANTENNA that sounds like crap,keeps dropping calls (With No antenna what do you expect) and look horrid!

Back in the 80s and 90s -- I MIGHT HAVE GOTTON ONE! (But if i was forced to upgrade to a newer digi piece of crap i would have just terminated service right then)

[ufochick]

Same here i have an early 00's phone. And ive still got an even older Nokia 5110 brick from 1998 that i slip my simcard into sometimes.

Apparently the newer the phone the worse it is. Well its just common sense ey with newer technology and all.

And while were on the subject of electrical devices and bugs etc, dont forget cars too...

The Powertrain control Modules in later model cars (around 1998 on) can be data collectors and positionong sensors, recording your driving habits etc.
For example if you have an accident and the airbags are deployed your speed can be recorded and recovered. Just like a black box.

I have heard reports on other forums of people being prosecuted using this information, i cant confirm if this is true or not but i def know the information can and is recorded in some of those units, and can be retrieved with the correct software.
.

Oh I believe it. My husband has the BMW x5 it has auto GPS and a HUGE computer in it. I hate going anywhere in it. I much prefer my older ford SUV. He keeps trying to buy me a new truck and I keep saying no thank you this one is fine.

[darthken]

yes i destroyed my mobile phone 2 years ago. took great delight in smashing it to bits with a hammer.

most ppl look at me funny now when i tell them they can' text me cause i don't have a mobile. " whats the matter, are your broke, do you have a bad credit rating."
when i tell them i don't want or need one, they give me a blank, uncomphrending stare like im crazy

best decision i ever made

[alexc]

yes i destroyed my mobile phone 2 years ago. took great delight in smashing it to bits with a hammer.

most ppl look at me funny now when i tell them they can' text me cause i don't have a mobile. " whats the matter, are your broke, do you have a bad credit rating."
when i tell them i don't want or need one, they give me a blank, uncomphrending stare like im crazy

best decision i ever made

They want to be tethered like a dog on a leash and you want to live as a free person.

[pessi_optimist]

I don't have a landline so i don't know what to use instead of a phone,but i'd like shot of it. Mostly brings me misery but then how do i get intouch with people? Impossible.

I never use it for phoning though, never. Only texts.

[scotty99]

Just get a 3 network phone, you will never be tracked, ...as you can never bloody get a signal:D

[trgfunds]

I believe our human "space suits" are what they can track. You guys aren't thinking big enough. These things or people that control it are ten plus steps ahead of you. You think they need a cell phone to get to you?? A microchip?? Our bodies ARE the microchip. We have to remember, we are infinite awareness using this as a vehicle (computer) and the computer is on a network. If our thoughts or invisible emissions show the correct signatures, whether we realize it or not, THEY know whats up. IE, if I'm an unconscious moron drinking PBR and watching the game, they are aware of that and thats great with them. If I'm not paying attention to the TV any more and I withdrawl from the scams and schemes of the five sense reality and I'm thinking thoughts and putting two and two together on these bastards, they know that too. Hence, the watcher, the all seeing eye, etc... It is all very akin to an IT security professional monitoring a network. If traffic on certain ports or keywords or whatever comes through, they're alerted. It really is like in the Matrix guys. If you do/say/see/understand/feel/get to certain things and levels, its SWAT team time. The problem is, hardly anyone ever gets there. And when they do, they're gone. Maybe for the better.

[engelsblume]

But if our bodies are all they need then why are they putting such an effort into equipping us with so many chips, cameras and whatnot? An all seeing eye is the symbol of our Higher selves always observing. And their perversion of the sign is the symbol for surveillance with material earthly tools. That's how I see it anyways *shrug*

[forrest22]

I believe our human "space suits" are what they can track. You guys aren't thinking big enough. These things or people that control it are ten plus steps ahead of you. You think they need a cell phone to get to you?? A microchip?? Our bodies ARE the microchip. We have to remember, we are infinite awareness using this as a vehicle (computer) and the computer is on a network. If our thoughts or invisible emissions show the correct signatures, whether we realize it or not, THEY know whats up. IE, if I'm an unconscious moron drinking PBR and watching the game, they are aware of that and thats great with them. If I'm not paying attention to the TV any more and I withdrawl from the scams and schemes of the five sense reality and I'm thinking thoughts and putting two and two together on these bastards, they know that too. Hence, the watcher, the all seeing eye, etc... It is all very akin to an IT security professional monitoring a network. If traffic on certain ports or keywords or whatever comes through, they're alerted. It really is like in the Matrix guys. If you do/say/see/understand/feel/get to certain things and levels, its SWAT team time. The problem is, hardly anyone ever gets there. And when they do, they're gone. Maybe for the better.


True .. the matrix agents don't need a cell phone they can remote view and know what you are doing and know your past .

[engelsblume]

Guess I'll repeat my question then :p

But if our bodies are all they need then why are they putting such an effort into equipping us with so many chips, cameras and whatnot?

If they can track us regardless of anything then that would mean we are 100% helpless and noone would ever get out. That doesn't make sense. :confused: Just the fact that they're doing all of those things means they are desperate to know things about us which would explain all the surveillance on the net, cameras, chips and other gadgets. Or?

[dude111]

I believe our human "space suits" are what they can track. A good first post!!

Welcome to Davidicke :)

[deca]

Hmmm, there's a bidding war over the bandwidth that's going to be opened up, and a whole slew of commercial applications being proposed. What evidence you you have that these are false flags out to deceive us about how the bandwidth is going to be used?

Do you have any actual evidence, or just the vague fear that the government is out to control your mind?



Really? The phones that bother you the LEAST are the old ones that belch out 20x the electromagnetic radiation as the newer models?

What's the mechanism behind which higher frequencies can cause more distress?

By the way, you can get more information on the actual frequencies used by various technologies here:

http://www.wirelessadvisor.com/

simple check CELLDAR out
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=747010

How mobile phones let spies see our every move

Government's secret Celldar project will allow surveillance of anyone, at any time and anywhere there is a phone signal

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* The Observer, Sunday 13 October 2002
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Secret radar technology research that will allow the biggest-ever extension of 'Big Brother'-style surveillance in the UK is being funded by the Government.

The radical new system, which has outraged civil liberties groups, uses mobile phone masts to allow security authorities to watch vehicles and individuals 'in real time' almost anywhere in Britain.

The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.

An individual with one type of receiver, a portable unit little bigger than a laptop computer, could even use it as a 'personal radar' covering the area around the user. Researchers are working to give the new equipment 'X-ray vision' - the capability to 'see' through walls and look into people's homes.

Ministry of Defence officials are hoping to introduce the system as soon as resources allow. Police and security services are known to be interested in a variety of possible surveillance applications. The researchers themselves say the system, known as Celldar, is aimed at anti-terrorism defence, security and road traffic management.

However civil liberties groups have been swift to condemn the plan.

'It's an appalling idea,' said Simon Davies, director of Privacy International. 'The Government is just capitalising on current public fears over security to intoduce new systems that are neither desirable nor necessary.'

The system, used alongside technology which allows individuals to be identified by their mobile phone handsets, will mewan that individuals can be located and their movements watched on a screen from hundreds of miles away.

Prototypes have been effective over 50 to 100 metres but the developers are confident that range can be extended.

After a series of meetings with Roke Manor, a private research company in Romsey, Hants, MoD officials have started funding the multi-million pound project. Reports of the meetings are 'classified'.

Whitehall officials involved in radar confirmed that the MoD was 'very interested' last week. 'It's all about resources now,' said one.

Private security specialists have also welcomed the new technology.

'It will be enormously useful,' the director of one private security firm said. 'Instead of setting up expensive and cumbersome surveillance equipment, police or the security services could start work quickly and easily almost anywhere.

'For tracking a suspect, preventing a potential crime or a terrorist strike or simply locating people [the system] has enormous advantages.'

It is likely that the technology would be used at first to protect sensitive installations such as ports and airfields.

The perimeter of a nuclear power station or an RAF base could be watched without having a bank of CCTV screens and dozens of expensive cameras.

If the radar picked up movement then a single camera could be focused on a specific area.

Celldar could also monitor roads when poor visibility due to bad weather rendered cameras useless.

'The equipment could pick up traffic flows towards an accident site and the details of a crash; who is where and so on,' said Peter Lloyd of Roke Manor.

Lloyd also outlined a number of military applications for the technology. Individual armoured vehicles or even soldiers could carry the detectors which could tell them where enemy troops were.

Security specialists point out how useful personal radars would be in siege situations. However there are significant concerns that the technology might be abused by authorities or fall into the wrong hands.

'Like all instrusive surveillance, we need to be sure that it is properly regulated, preferably by the judiciary,' said Roger Bingham of Liberty.

Bingham expressed concerns that the new equipment, which would be virtually undetectable, could be used by private detectives or others for personal or commercial gain.

Modern technology has brought massive opportunities for wider surveillance. Since the 11 September terrorist attacks on Washington and New York, the government has been pushing through a package of anti-terrorism legislation which targets electronic communications.

Senior police officers are now allowed to access mobile telephone and email records without judicial or executive assent. Within two years, all mobile phones are expected to have satellite-locating devices built into them.


than understand how microwave hearing effect can be used via modded radar
The report titled "Bioeffects Of Selected Nonlethal Weapons"
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dc64d9q2_0fc6mf8g8
Technological Status of Generator/Aiming Device


This technology requires no extrapolation of estimate its usefulness Microwave energy

can be applied at a distance,and the appropriate technology can be adapted from existing

radar units. Aiming devices likewise are available but for special circumstances which

require extreme specificity, there may be a need for additional development Extreme

directional specificity would be required to transmit a message to a single hostage

surrounded by his captors. Signals can be transmitted long distance(hundred of meters)

using current technology Longer distances and mores sophisticated signal types will

require more bulky equipment but it seems possible to transmit some type of signals at

closer ranges using man-potable equipment.


Range


The effective range could be hundreds of meters.


we have already got CCTV with speakers on them, does not take a lot to realise if they do have a RADAR human tracking capability then they would add a microwave hearing capability to it.

Next thing is to look at the tetra mobile phone mast system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project
After funding was in place, work allegedly began at Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL) on Long Island, New York under the name of the "Phoenix Project", but the project soon required a large and advanced radar dish. The United States Air Force had a decommissioned base at Montauk, New York, not far from BNL, which had a complete SAGE radar installation. The site was large and remote, with Montauk Point not yet a tourist attraction. Water access supposedly allowed equipment to be moved in and out undetected. Key to the Montauk Project allegations, the SAGE radar worked on a frequency of 400 MHz - 425 MHz, providing access to the range of 410 MHz - 420 MHz signals said by theory proponents to influence the human mind.

noticed the freqencys here
http://www.tetrawatch.net/tetra/pulse.php
TETRA and ‘pulsing’

The signal from base stations and handsets is carried on a microwave frequency at 380 to 400MHz. If that, like commercial mobile phones and masts concerns you, then this is no different at that level. Except that 400Mhz is more penetrative than the 900MHz to 2GHz of mobile phones, and is the resonant frequency of an average adult skull.

TETRA masts therefore have components at 70Hz (slots), 17.64Hz (frames) and 0.98Hz (the multiframe group). All three are in themselves ELF (extremely low frequency) EMR (electromagnetic radiation), and ELF EMR is particularly regarded as presenting a risk to people. Our own bodies operate in everything they do, utilising infinitessimally small electric currents at these frequencies, but they have to vary. ‘Locking onto’ fixed frequencies happens through entrainment (the stronger pulse drags the weaker into synch) and this is harmful. (As a metaphor, you can ride a bicycle down the white line in teh middle of the road, but ride in a tramline and you fall off.) Specifically, TETRA multiframes coincide with the electrical frequency of the heart, and the 17.64Hz frames (or handset pulses) with beta brain frequencies (13Hz to 40Hz). And the 70.56Hz pulse is a muscular electrical frequency.

More importantly, TETRA is the one and only mobile system that runs at full power 24 hours a day, every day. If there are any resonant effects in the body, they will build. (Resonance? Everything has its own natural frequency and ‘rings’: the glass shatters when an opera singer hits the right note; a building falls if an earthqualke frequency matches it. The same is true for the whole body, and down to cell and molecular level. This is why it is frequency, more than power, that concerns us: hit the right note and very small force has a very great effect.)

oh yes I myself claim to be a victim of mind control & electronic harrassment plus thousands of other people around the world

[deca]

if you ask me an implantable RFID chip will just make it easy for them to quickly indentify you on there RADAR screens like a beacon on an aircaft
Air Traffic Control uses radar to track and direct the courses of the many planes in civilian airspace. Civilian and military craft generally carry a beacon, or transponder, known as the Air Traffic Control Radar Beacon System (ATCRBS). An Air Traffic Control interrogator system sends a signal to the transponder that prompts it to reply with identification and altitude information. In this way, air traffic controllers can monitor the courses of planes in their region. A military version of the beacon, known as Identification, Friend or Foe (IFF) uses coded signals to identify aircraft.

Read more: Radar - Radar Tracking Systems http://science.jrank.org/pages/5626/Radar-Radar-tracking-systems.html#ixzz0oU6xSupO


they are so way ahead of this.....you can argue/debait about having/not having the chip but I don`t think they are that bothered either way.

if you don`t have a chip probadly take them a bit longer to identifie you, scan your bio metrics ...check agiasnt pass port/ airport scanner plus other information about you indentie moblie phone, credit card ect....

ECHELON, Total Information Awareness NSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJ3-76aImc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJ3-76aImc&feature=related