Illuminati groups

[stewart edwards]

Just curious anyone any idea how many groups there are out there at the moment who call themselves illuminati?

[keystone]

Just curious anyone any idea how many groups there are out there at the moment who call themselves illuminati?or have that label attached to them?

[lightindarkness]

Just curious anyone any idea how many groups there are out there at the moment who call themselves illuminati?

None that have any real power. The Bavarian Illuminati died some time ago. Since then - and especially since the internet popped up - people form their own little groups and call themselves the Illuminati, usually with the attempt to recruit people (for a fee, of course!).

The people who rule this world don't meet in shadowy cabals insistent on world domination.

They meet in ivory ornate halls of the legislature and executive branches of government across the world. And their goal is much more short-term: money and power.

[stewart edwards]

The people who rule this world don't meet in shadowy cabals insistent on world domination.

They meet in ivory ornate halls of the legislature and executive branches of government across the world. And their goal is much more short-term: money and power.But the people with real power are those who are truly illuminated.

Consider an example on my mind this evening - the writer of the some Hero as sung by Mariah Carey and X-factor. Pop over to youtube and listen to it, really listen to the words, they are a blueprint of ancient knowledge. Same with songs from the original high school musical. No doubt many more but I dont listen to much pop.

Power of man made things is not the highest form of power man can achieve, for that is power over yourself.

[keystone]

But the people with real power are those who are truly illuminated.Yes you are right but someone will be along in a moment to twist that around again to make it seem that you said people IN power as opposed to people WITH power.

[stewart edwards]

Yes you are right but someone will be along in a moment to twist that around again to make it seem that you said people IN power as opposed to people WITH power.People can twist things as much as they like, for it does not deflect or dent the truth.

I dont hold any positions of power, though after a couple of years of hard heart wrangling over whether I am now responsible enough to hold office that could change. Should I find myself IN a position of power where I can make a difference I can only hope that the power that I have to help people take positive steps forwards in life is not corrupted out of me.

I do genuinely feel sorry for people in power for while some of them may have got there for egotistic reasons, and some through family, every single one of them has to battle with the demons that make power corrupt. And the higher up you go in positions of power the less freedom you have. You cant always give your personal opinion freely due to your position and in some cases you cant just take a stroll down the street whenever you please, whether for well-wishers/assassins.

From what I can see formal positions of Leadership and power are very lonely places to be. And while ethical standards in leaders apall me at times, I do have sympathy for their lot.

[xpleet]

The Illuminati is just a relative new order of the 1700s.

The correct term is "ruling elite" who hide in and under all kinds of orders and secret societies. Freemasonry, Priori de Sion, the Jesuit Order, Knights Of Malta, the Rosi Crucians etc.


Illumination is the same as total delusion.

[stewart edwards]

Thanks, but I am struggling with this, you sayIllumination is the same as total delusion.yet your tag line says"The desire for liberation from Darkness burns deeply within all children of the True Creator of Light. This yearning for liberation is NOT a psychological escapism. It is something that all True-Light beings have within themselves. They all long for their return to their True Home." - AmitakhCan you help me knit the two together please?

[lightindarkness]

There is a reason why conspiracy theory centered around "the elites" (Illuminati, NWO, whatever you want to call it) trying to "rule the world" falls flat when anyone considers it logically.

Those in power are self-interested. They pursue their own interests - and it is not in their interests for power preservation to let anyone else share their power (as would be required for world domination). The result is something of a modified prisoner's dilemma which most people read about in college:

When you have two players in a game and each is acting logically, they will pursue their own self interests and will not cooperate with other players in the game. Players do not cooperate because their is no institutional structure to ensure that cooperation would result in a larger amount of power being obtained for each player rather than the amount of power they get from not cooperating.

As such, all players pursue their own self-interests and power is spread widely across many players. It is an environment which will never allow the existence of fictional organizations (like the NWO) or organizations that tried it and failed (like the Bavarian Illuminati).

[lightindarkness]

The Illuminati is just a relative new order of the 1700s.

The correct term is "ruling elite" who hide in and under all kinds of orders and secret societies. Freemasonry, Priori de Sion, the Jesuit Order, Knights Of Malta, the Rosi Crucians etc.


Illumination is the same as total delusion.

Please explain EXACTLY who is the "ruling elite" in freemasonry: names and lodges.

[mind1universe]

Anyone can be an Illuminati.


I consider myself illuminated to a large extent for now that is.

What I can say the top four, I know pretty well in another realm sense:D Why am I saying this:o But the top beings are not human and they are here to control the human race and they know the timelines and future scenerio,


But in the tarot card deck, I will put my foot down and put the fool card down for now. I think the survivors of Atlantis are waiting. Remember the majority of the elite don't even know what I'm dicussing. They are the puppets of this pawn game. When I mean the "survivors" of this game, I mean they have been through this hurdle before. Some of the masters of this reality want to have complete control, others want a population reduction, others want freedom of humanity, others want the whole truth revealed, others want a polarised view, others want a NWO just to push you and then only to reveal the truth coming after.

Its in the foot of the Spinx and the veins go well under the sands of Giza. They left the mark HERE on this pact of land. The top four illuminated ones are waiting. I'm stopping now.

Each an everyone of you assigned for this ascension. At this time this planet is not only dictated by the illuminated ones.


It is also been affected by the centre life force of this galaxy, and no one dares to disrespect it. So chaos is lineage for the next few years, the storm has only begun.

Its time to realise. Everyone is involved.

[grandsecretary]

The ruling elite in Moderns freemasonry consists of the Supreme Councils of The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

In England there are 33 members of Supreme Council including HRH The Duke of Kent, HRH Prince Michael and Lord Northampton. The Duke of Kent is also Grand Master of The United Grand Lodge of England, Lord Northampton was until very recently the Pro Grand Master, and Prince Michael is Grand Master of Mark Masonry (the so-called side degrees).

These people are the latest in a long line of Royal personages in such positions.

[keystone]

The ruling elite in Moderns freemasonry consists of the Supreme Councils of The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.Thats your assertation and seeing as you used to work for the Supreme Council at 10 Duke Street as you've freely admitted elsewhere I see no reason not to believe you.

In England there are 33 members of Supreme CouncilIts true that the three you mention hold the 33 degree. Theres no surpise there its been documented and in the public domain.

However, the The Duke of Kent was only recently accorded that degree and is an honorery member of Supreme Council not an actual member. As far as I can see largely Supreme Council (ie the governing body of AASR in England) is largely made up of non-entities from a public perception POV you understand, of course. AFAIK you can hold the 33 degree without being a member of Supreme Council and I suspect thats where Lord Northampton and Prince Michael sit as well.

These people are the latest in a long line of Royal personages in such positions.Your point is? So what?

I do detect some personal issues from your posts around this subject. Nothing specific but there seems to me to be an undertone if you'll forgive me for saying so.

Cheers

[organizedchaos]

None that have any real power. The Bavarian Illuminati died some time ago. Since then - and especially since the internet popped up - people form their own little groups and call themselves the Illuminati, usually with the attempt to recruit people (for a fee, of course!).

The people who rule this world don't meet in shadowy cabals insistent on world domination.

They meet in ivory ornate halls of the legislature and executive branches of government across the world. And their goal is much more short-term: money and power.

I agree with the meetings in fairly open places: government halls, etc. However, I disagree with the conclusion: "their goal is much more short-term." The underpinnings of this entire movement point to large-scale, long-term success. Otherwise, they would just be greedy people trying to improve their position long enough to get what they want. Seeing as their actions take on a generational impetus, it is clearly a long-term, much more complicated process. Also, due to their growing reliance on occult practices, which requires dedication through theory and practice, a much bigger picture emerges.