Stepford wives

[lostworld]

From my post on Doppelgangers
http://doppels.proboards99.com

Anne Heche was Stepforded!


From this
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1396/heche60rm3.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2418/ellenjo2.jpg



into this
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2809/heche071203120717587widxl5.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9311/annecoley2wj9.jpghttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1666/20070517hecheif0.jpg


"My goal," she said recently, "is to be a boring mommy and a boring wife."
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20136600,00.html


You may all remember Anne Heche's mental breakdown in 2000 that was very odd, even for Hollywood.

This was also just shortly after Heche had broken things off with Ellen DeGeneres, claiming that she was no longer a lesbian.

Heche was found wandering around near Fresno, wearing almost no clothing, calling herself Celestia and saying she was the sister of Jeus, looking for her spaceship. She rang a stranger's doorbell, inquired about a gateway to outer space, and asked if she could use their shower. She was hospitalized the day after (for new programming I guess ;) ).

Sounds like the programming into a heterosexual alter made her snap in other ways...

It certainly had shock value. Until her August 2000 split with Ellen DeGeneres, Heche, 32, was, after all, half of Hollywood's most prominent lesbian couple. Now she has put her honeymoon on hold while she promotes her new memoir, Call Me Crazy, whose revelations make her sexuality switcheroo seem ho-hum. In Crazy Heche claims sexual abuse by her father led her to a struggle with mental illness—including an alternate personality named Celestia, "a being from the fourth dimension here to teach the world about love."

Heche says she was her other, fourth-dimension self when, last August, she famously abandoned her SUV by a roadside in Fresno, Calif., and wandered into a nearby house. She was also, she says, high on Ecstasy. "I was driving to my spaceship, completely clean and sober, when in my head I was told to take the Ecstasy pill," Heche told PEOPLE in an interview last week. Heche says that she has never been diagnosed with a mental illness or undergone conventional therapy but that the Fresno episode shocked her out of "31 years of a fantasy world that I created to make myself feel safe."

According to Heche, the demon that derailed her was her late father, Donald, a church choir director, who, she says, sexually abused her "from before I was able to speak until I was 12 years old." (Anne says her mother, Nancy, was "in denial" about the abuse; Nancy Heche could not be reached for comment.) Heche was also terrified she would develop HIV after her father, who had led a secret gay life, died of complications from AIDS in 1983. "I had huge pain that I was escaping from," she says. "I went crazy."
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20135349,00.html

I'm not even sure she was on drugs. Can be a cover up...
And the interview says that "she has never been diagnosed with a mental illness or undergone conventional therapy".
Would be really strange if she went from "never" to all that "craziness" all at ones. ???



In "Call me crazy", her autobiography, she says that she, by her mid-20s, had two personalities, herself and "Celestia", an alien from another planet who could talk to dead people, see into the future, and was a half-sister of Jesus Christ.

Does she ever regret any choices she made, or worry she's revealed too much about herself?

"My choice was to say it, or die, really," she says.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/12/apontv.anne.heche.ap/index.html


Obvious illuminati pose on the cover - notice the one eye
and her top in two colours, red and white (representing bloodline and illuminati/light) fragmented, split and blurred/melting together on the shoulder (representing split personality, several alters in one body - compare it to the MK-sexkittens black/white zebra clothing)
Also notice that her arm is making a pyramid.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3888/callmecrazyul9.jpg

[lostworld]

Sherlok's post on Doppelganger's:

Rosie was branded crazy by the media when she dared to question
the Iraq war, the Bush administration, 9/11 and other taboo
subjects.

She "left" (was fired) from her daytime show and remained mostly
out of sight for a time.

Now "Rosie" is back with her new prime time variety show and promises
not to discuss politics "because it's not the best use of my talents."

Maybe she hasn't been replaced -- I'm not sure, but she sure seems
to be re-programmed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-x78w48Es&eurl=http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi

She even jokes about being crazy in the promos for her new show
here:
http://www.rosie.com/rosielive.aspx

[lostworld]

Did they Stepford Jane Fonda?


She went from being very radical and politically active

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1197/janefondamugshotfx5.jpg

to this: :o

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4484/fondajanephotojanefondakv8.jpg

Guess someone taught her to keep her priorities straight ;)

[faulconandsnowjob]

After reading some of that stuff on Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html), I'm wondering how much of Jane Fonda's radicalism was genuine. Of course, I want to believe she was genuine, but I don't know... Do you think she was replaced? Some of those pics of her make me think she could have been.

I was also wondering about Charlie Sheen. He came out on the Alex Jones show talking about 9/11 & how it was an inside job. Did he suffer any repercussions for that? His show still seems to be pretty popular...

[lostworld]

After reading some of that stuff on Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html), I'm wondering how much of Jane Fonda's radicalism was genuine. Of course, I want to believe she was genuine, but I don't know... Do you think she was replaced? Some of those pics of her make me think she could have been.

I was also wondering about Charlie Sheen. He came out on the Alex Jones show talking about 9/11 & how it was an inside job. Did he suffer any repercussions for that? His show still seems to be pretty popular...

After doing some research on Jane I don't think she was replaced.
I agree with you that by looking at some of her pics at first glance you might think that. However, I go with my instinct and say no. But that's just my opninion. :)

About her radicalism being genuine or not - that can also have been a programmed alter, serving some purpose back then.
Remember that the mindcontrolled person usually has several alters and one can replace (!) another if that's called for.

So funny, I was just writing on my thread on PID how I couldn't come up with a male Stepford, even though the concept certainly applies on men too.
I don't know if Charlie has been "punished" for his allegations yet, but it's certainly worth looking into. Anybody else who might know?

Meanwhile, I found this about it:
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2006/180506attacksheen.htm

[faulconandsnowjob]

I was just writing on my thread on PID how I couldn't come up with a male Stepford, even though the concept certainly applies on men too.
John Lennon comes to mind. He was hounded into submission by the FBI, then when he was coming out again, he was assassinated. Of course, it's possible that they weren't able to stepford him, & that's why they took him out.

[lostworld]

Roseanne Barr has had a similar career
downfall as Rosie and has stated publicly that the CIA controls her via
a chip in her head.



Here is an excerpt from the transcript which you can read here: here (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0108/16/lkl.00.html).

KING: "Roseanne" is everywhere.

ROSEANNE: Yes, the show is.

KING: When you watch those scenes, you and John Goodman, have great memories of that?

ROSEANNE: I do and I miss him and how much fun we used to have every day.

KING: Great actor.

ROSEANNE: Great actor. We had so much fun every single day.

KING: How about what's he was like to work with?

ROSEANNE: Well, he was a frightening person.

KING: Here we go.

(LAUGHTER)

ROSEANNE: And you know, he was physically abusive at times.

KING: I see.

ROSEANNE: But other than that, we always shared a laugh whenever we were drinking.

KING: All right, some see what you have or had as a serious psychological disorder.

ROSEANNE: I like how you just keep going.

KING: Others as psychological fad. Also...

ROSEANNE: A fad?

KING: Whether it's deliberately induced or naturally occurring.

ROSEANNE: Well, I have this head shrinker and he says it's deliberately induced because the CIA is where they started inducing it when after they brought all the Nazis over from Germany to run American Psychiatric Association.

KING: What are you about?

ROSEANNE: I'm telling you the truth. It is all mind control and all kinds of things to invent people with multiple personalities.

KING: So you have been captured by Nazis?

ROSEANNE: The government. Well in a way, I believe the government has implanted some kind of a chip into my head where...

KING: Roseanne.

ROSEANNE: You know, is monitored by Barbara Walters and these other women. And they take all my ideas and I'm, you know.

KING: Yes, is Oprah one of the people monitoring?

ROSEANNE: Of course.

KING: She's definitely in touch?

ROSEANNE: Definitely. I think she sits with her finger on the switch to the chip.

[endlessvista]

Did they Stepford Jane Fonda?


She went from being very radical and politically active

What total bollox!

Jane Fonda was NEVER a radical for fuck sake. It was a total 60's bullshit pose. She ended up marrying Ted Turner who gave the UN 1 Billion Dollars almost 20 years ago for them to forward their eugenics and population reduction programmes.

She is about as radical as Prince Charles.

[endlessvista]

After reading some of that stuff on Laurel Canyon (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html), I'm wondering how much of Jane Fonda's radicalism was genuine.

You are right to wonder. In fact you would be also right to call it a complete fraud.

[lostworld]

Roseanne Barr - a split personality
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/738/18bcb072118907370324685fa4.jpg

U.S. GOVT. MIND-CONTROL LEVEL 5
This level is reserved for people with an I.Q. of at least 130. This level will require taking the slave to a special
programming center, where they are taken down to the comatose level of subconscious awareness to place the programming in at the deepest levels of the mind. The victim may be comatose for days or months, and this
requires a catheter in the neck, urinary and digestive tracts to keep the body properly functioning. Because the
person will be hospitalized for quite a while, a popular cover story is that they had an automobile accident.
Remember, in Vol. 2, it was discussed how Roseanne Barr (now an actress with MPD/DID) had as a teenager an
"automobile accident" during which she received significant programming. Many of these level 5 slaves are
placed as sleepers into organizations of all kinds, where they lead "normal lives." The level 5 triggers activate
programs deeply embedded and NESTED into the memory of a person. A team of programmers work on level 5
slaves. They must make sure that the victim has a support system so that they do not self-destruct. They may
have psychologists in normal life set up to serve as a support person for the slave.
http://www.forgenerations.net/documents/vol2-maybe.pdf


The primary programming that is put in is put in at a
comatose level. There are different levels that you can program somebody to - if you start out with an
adult, for instance, the CIA's nomenclature is mind control Level 5. Somebody who has been given
mind control to the 5th level generally has some cover story like for Roseanne Barr - she had an
automobile accident apparently as a teenager. They take these people in and they are taken down to a
comatose level where their bodies are comatose for quite a long period of time, and the programming
is put in at an extremely deep level. At a level where your mind is regulating your heartbeat. The
programming is put in and it is nested in at an extremely deep level. When they destroy short-term
memory with electroshocking, that's not even coming close to the deep programs - that is just
affecting the short-term memory.
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/mindcontrol/Fritz_Springmeier_Interview.pdf


The Illuminati and the Mob have controlled Hollywood. Another aspect of this is that a lot of your slaves are actors, eg. Roseanne Barr, who I mentioned earlier; Madonna; Marilyn Monroe; each of these women was a programmed multiple. You have a lot of slaves who are acting for them. One of the benefits of having programmed multiples is the way their minds have been structured. Some of them are very good at memorizing scripts or getting into fictional roles.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/springmeier_interview2.htm

[lostworld]

John Lennon comes to mind. He was hounded into submission by the FBI, then when he was coming out again, he was assassinated. Of course, it's possible that they weren't able to stepford him, & that's why they took him out.

Very much a possibility.
Also - I found info on stalkers, how they are actually programmed "left overs" - persons who wasn't qualified to reach the higher levels within the illuminati. They were no good as politicians etc. There is supposedly a whole stalker program. Will post a link on it asap. :)

[lostworld]

What total bollox!

Jane Fonda was NEVER a radical for fuck sake. It was a total 60's bullshit pose. She ended up marrying Ted Turner who gave the UN 1 Billion Dollars almost 20 years ago for them to forward their eugenics and population reduction programmes.

She is about as radical as Prince Charles.

LOL!
Like I said - Jane's political actions might very well be another alter talking. For a higher purpose of course.

Even if you don't wanna call her radical now, many people saw her as such in the 60's. She was hated, called a traitor etc.

[lostworld]

How did rebels become Stepford wives?
And they have Jane Fonda as an example! :p

http://www.observer.com/node/43035

[endlessvista]

LOL!
Like I said - Jane's political actions might very well be another alter talking. For a higher purpose of course.

Even if you don't wanna call her radical now, many people saw her as such in the 60's. She was hated, called a traitor etc.

Fair enough - but her 60's bullshit was a pose and something very evil and cruel as well.

Proof that she is NWO is when she went to Hanoi Hilton concentration camp and told DRAFTED US troops who were in capitivity through no fauilt of their own that they were "baby killers" and "lying about their sufferening at the hands of the VK" - before she flew back to Hollywood first class.

What kind of a "radical" does that! The unfortunate bastards she was mocking while she wore a VK uniform were poor American young lads who were drafted into fighting in Vietnam because unlike Jane Fonda there were not lucky enough to have been born into a family of millionaire movie stars. Many of them were taken outside after she left and murdered. While she was sipping champange in the first class lounge in her baret and combats. Sick.

If that is not the Rothschild-like psychology then I do not know what is.

Jane Fonda is beyond vile and always was.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Yeah, well, that Laurel Canyon bit sure was eye-opening about the 60's "radicals." Seems like the real anti-war movement was hijacked by "stars" w/ ties to the military & the Elites, I guess so they could direct it & control it. For ex, Jim Morrison's father was an admiral involved w/ the fake Gulf of Tonkin attack (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html), & David Crosby was a blue-blood, as were many other 60's stars. Anyway, it seems like the professors & their students who started speaking out against the war were undermined by less credible "hippies," who were into drugs (LSD - another mind control psy-op, don't you think?)

ROSEANNE: Well, I have this head shrinker and he says it's deliberately induced because the CIA is where they started inducing it when after they brought all the Nazis over from Germany to run American Psychiatric Association.

KING: What are you about?

ROSEANNE: I'm telling you the truth. It is all mind control and all kinds of things to invent people with multiple personalities.

Seems like Roseanne was involved w/ some sort of MKULTRA or other CIA mind-control program. From what I've read, they use abuse, chips, & now "silent"/subliminal sounds to direct these mind-controlled slaves.

[lostworld]

Very much a possibility.
Also - I found info on stalkers, how they are actually programmed "left overs" - persons who wasn't qualified to reach the higher levels within the illuminati. They were no good as politicians etc. There is supposedly a whole stalker program. Will post a link on it asap. :)

Here is the link on stalkers :)
http://www.forgenerations.net/documents/vol2-maybe.pdf
It begins on page 25.

"How do the Illuminati get rid of their leftovers, the children their bloodlines have that aren’t going to amount to
a great deal? In terms of mind-control, the male children that are the programming leftovers, the ones that are
not really fit to make into politicians, doctors and lawyers, will be made into stalkers, according to an ex-
Illuminati programmer, who worked in this area of programming, the ratio of men to women that are
programmed for stalking is about 90% to 10%. Why discuss how the Illuminati makes stalkers? First, many
people doubt that there is a controlled conspiracy by the Illuminati to control the world, because in their limited
understanding they think that there are too many uncontrollable people around for the world to be controlled.
They don’t realize that a large share of those crazy people were intentionally created by the Illuminati. The
Illuminati programmers and handlers during the 40’s through the 60’s, according to insiders, had specific quotas
on how many people to have go crazy so that the mental institutions (which were used for programming) could
maintain their government financing."

"The Illuminati need their people seeded at all levels of society, at the gutter level
as well as in palaces. This is where the stalkers, their leftover children used for programming are handy. Many
of these stalkers had secret Illuminati lineages that are hidden via adoption. As one ex-Illuminati member said,
"They are the weak links." The Illuminati must have dependable people everywhere, even in the gutter and
prisons."

[lostworld]

What do I mean by Stepford and "to be Stepforded"?

If you have seen the movie "Stepford wives" you probably know what I'm talking about. The original movie was made in 1975 and a remake feat. Nicole Kidman was made in 2004.

The story is set in the fictional town of Stepford, Connecticut. The married men in Stepford all have submissive, beautiful and "perfect" wifes.

Joanna (played by Nicole Kidman in the remake) becomes increasingly disturbed by the zombie-like Stepford wives, especially when she sees her once independent-minded friends — fellow new arrivals to Stepford — turn into mindless, docile housewives overnight. Her husband, who seems to be spending more and more time at the local men's club, mocks her fears.

As the story progresses, Joanna becomes convinced that the wives of Stepford are actually look-alike gynoids (robots designed to look like a human female), manufactured in secret at the men's club. She visits the library and reads up on the pasts of Stepford's husbands and wives, finding out that some of the women were once high achievers, while some of the men were brilliant engineers and scientists, capable of creating such life-like robots.

The Stepford Wives
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6850/stepfordswiveskd4.jpghttp://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5498/stepfordwivestm3.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3_eGvDykDM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3HASgMS7w0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nWkVJCbL54&feature=related


Also bear in mínd that what they show us on the screen in many times often is reality. Fiction is already fact. It is a part of the agenda.
That also makes Stepford interesting. Especially since it was originally made already in 1975. The cloning on humans is supposedly older than that though. ;)

On Doppelgangers we're discussing both clones and doubles:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=60

There are four types of ‘clones’ that are used by the Illuminati:

1. Actual Clones
This is a person who has been grown from a test tube (called "in vitro") or implanted womb, which has the identical genetic makeup to another person--an identical twin so to speak in terms of genetic makeup. The genetic coding has reproduced, and a new person who is an identical twin is now in existence.

2. Synthetic People
These are "persons" who look everybit as real as a real person, but simulate human beings. Certain tissues extracted from cattle are the starting point. (This is part of the reason for cattle mutilations.) The process is an advancement of a process discovered in the late 1950’s. This 1959 experiment was reported in a book in 1968 called The Biological Time Bomb by Gordon Rettray Taylor. Taylor describes the experiment done in France, "They had extracted DNA from the cells of the khaki Cam phells and had injected it into the white Pekins, thinking that just possibly the offspring of the latter might show some character derived from khaki Campbells. To their astonishment the actual ducks they injected began to change. Their white feathers darkened, and their necks began to take on the peculiar curve which is a mark of the khaki Campbell." The scientists working under the auspices of the Rothschilds, (who are directed by Satan himself) developed this process by working at secret breakneck speed. They developed an advanced development of the process they discovered with the DNA chicken experiment. By the late 1970’s, synthetic people could be produced by the Illuminati.

3. Organic Robotoids
This is an "artificial life" form that is created through processes that are totally different than cloning or synthetics. Organic robotoid technology is being made to make exact as possible copies of important people such as Presidents and some of their staff. For instance, the Jimmy Carter who came to Portland a few years ago who I stood two feet away from and examined visually was not the Jimmy Carter that had run for President. On Easter, 1979 the first robotoid model of Jimmy Carter replaced the man Jimmy Carter. By the time "Carter" was seen by me, they must have been on at least robotoid no. 100. This is why a friend of mine who was recently in Washington D.C. almost bumped into President Clinton jogging. My friend was surprised by the lack of security. Kaiser Aluminum News which is put out by Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation put out a series of articles to a specialized audience in the 1960’s. This material was also published under the book title The Dynamics of Change (Prentice-Hall: Englewood Cliffs, N.J., 1967). Under the title heading "GENETIC MANIPULATION" we read, "The ability to control the formation of new beings may be one of the most basic developments of the future. Recent discoveries about the nucleonic acids, the basic building blocks of life, have led to the belief that man may some day be able to treat genes in such a way that desired characteristics can be realized..." Under the heading "MAN-MACHINE SYMBIOSIS" we read, "...Computers exist which can learn, remember, see, seek goals, reason, walk, sing on key, talk, be irritable, play games, grasp, adapt to an environment and even design improvements in themselves.. .man-like computers may one day contain plasma circulating through a viscera-like envelope, allowing them to be self-healing." Under the heading "HUMAN ROBOTS" we read, "...An electronic circuit that imitates two neurons, the cells of the human brain, has been built, and has enabled a robot to deal with some unexpected situations, but the neuron structure was bulky. The brain has billions of neurons, meaning an incredible miniaturization job will be necessary before truly ‘human’ robots are developed." As the reader knows since the 1960’s when this was written an incredible miniaturation job has been done in computers. What the public knows of that minituration is incredible and that is only part of what has actually occurred. In fact, scientists are now able to manipulate DNA to create computers. A basic thing that is needed to create a computer is material that will consistently change given some type of "signal". This is because the computer works off of base two--or what is simply an on--off switch system, or a 0 or 1 system of numbers. Living biological material is superior to other material for making computers because the heat created by the methods in conventional computers slows the speed. For super-computers to work at great speeds they need to use biological material that will not heat up. This type of miituration has already been done. It creates computers far beyond what we are familiar with. Organic robotoids are amazingly humanlike, so humanlike that it is hard for the scientists who have created them to get used to the idea that they are not humans. Biological computer brains for the robotiods
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came as a result of research into holograms. If you tear up a conventional photograph you ruin it, but if you tear up the film that produces a hologram, each piece still contains almost all the same image. This is why part of the brain of people can be removed and the brain regain what it had lost. A holographic image of a person’s brain is made, and then when the brain of a robotoid is made, the biological computer in its head is caused to form according to the holographic record of a person being copied. Some deviations from the holographic record are needed, because the "person" is a robotoid and not a person. The brain of the robotoid has almost all of the correct memory of the person reproduced, but the robotoid brain is really a computer made from biological material which is programmed, it is not a human brain. First, "Clinton" has the energy to jog because it may well be a robotoid, and second thing, an assassination of a robotoid is not so serious. These robotoids have a biological computer-brain that is programmed. They can think in the sense a computer thinks, but secret advances in understanding the human brain, have allowed the makers of organic robotoids to have the memory of a person at a given point in time transferred to an organic robotoid. The key then for making what appears to be a clone--but they are not a real clone--is to capture the person to be copied and make a holographic copy of the brain memory and transfer that to the robotoid.

4. Doubles (look alikes)
There is an ongoing program to find look alikes for prominent people, as well as a program to create secret identical twins (which are separated at birth and never see each other). George Bush’s double was promiscuous, while George Bush is a pedophile. His double was living in France after Bush was no longer President. By the use of doubles, (or one of the synthetics or organic robotoids) the elite are able to sneak away and perform satanic rituals. On certain occasions, if Clinton or Bush only needed to do low level tasks in front of the public, they could have their double substitute for them. The Illuminati working with several organizations has had a look alike operation where doubles of certain key people are found and then used. In the book Desert Shield and The New World Order pub. by Northpoint Tactical Teams, Topton, NC, if you look on page 32 you will see a picture of the original FDR who had a mole over his eyes and then you will a see a picture of the double of Roosevelt who they used, who had no mole and had different ear lobes. Roosevelt may have died prior to when it was actually announced. Over the years I have seen numerous photos exposing either the Robotoids or the doubles that they use. This author’s previous S' ’93 article had some pictures about the dead Pope Paul VI, who my Be Wise As Serpents book said was murdered. This recent Pope was replaced with a double who had had plastic surgery. As a double gets older the plastic surgery will not look as convincing, because time changes people differently. One ex-Catholic said the whole thing sounded like science fiction. It does sound far out at first, but the evidence is there for people to see. For myself, the ex-Illuminati have told me about the double’s program. From what I understand the double or look-alike program has been more successful than the robotoids and synthetics. The reason is that people live longer and are more dependable in some ways. The project to find look alikes for prominent people has been very successful. Plastic surgery has also been done to help touch up the doubles.


SUMMARY OF THE FOUR METHODS

This Appendix covers 4 different methods that have been used to make copies of people, these were cloning, creating synthetic duplicates, creating organic robotoids, and finding look alike doubles. [Programs for all four of these methods have had almost unlimited funding by the intelligence/Illuminati elite.] Next, the basic principles for creating a synthetic human were covered. Synthetic humans were in some ways found to be superior to the robotoids that were created. The first few years of robotoids were fraught with problems. [Since my inside information is somewhat dated, I cannot give readers the status of current robotoid abilities, however, I believe from what I’ve seen that the program continues.] The synthetics were people who had their genes altered to look more like the person they were to copy. The robotoids were the formation of new beings that look human but are actually bionic robots. Their memories were created by using living "brain tissue" which is some type of programmable living biological matter, and programming this material as a sophisticated computer. In order to get the memory of the person being copied, a holographic image of the person’s brain is made and transferred to the robotoid. Because the robotoid "brain" is not functioning like a human (although the end result is nearly identical so that viewers have to know what differences to look for), there are of course some adjustments that have to be made after the holographic image of the host is transferred to the living biological matter that will function as the brain of the robotoid. Lord Willing, this author may write some more on this topic later. The ability of the Illuminati to copy people using the 4 methods listed above, are not going to be the deciding factor in their moves to control the world, but it does give them a great deal of flexibility in their operations. This author frequently reflects on the words of the Illuminati Grand Master who told Cisco, who was then a child, while touring a cloning facility, "never, never think you are seeing who you think you are seeing."


From "Deeper insights into the Illuminati formula"
by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/deeperinsightsbook.shtml



Even if Stepford are about the robotoids, when I'm talking about "being Stepforded" I mainly talk about the drastic change in a persons character -from independent, strong, "wild" and a bit of a "troublemaker" into a person with whole new priorities in life, often, for women, to be a good little wife and mother.
The edge is gone so to speak. :eek:
My belief is that this is because of heavy mindcontrol.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5721/1193764397stepfordwiveshw5.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think Stewart Swerdlow said the 1st human was cloned in Germany in 1927.

So, was Nicole Kidman stepforded or replaced? This doesn't look anything like her:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6850/stepfordswiveskd4.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4369/tomnicole1cq4.jpghttp://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2261/dead20calm20splashyf1.jpg

[lostworld]

^
That is a good question Faulcon.
Nicole Kidman was most probably replaced.

The different faces of Nicole

______________80's____________________________90's ____________________________00' s_____________

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6425/nicolekidmanwa0.jpghttp://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3110/kidmancruisems1611468x3gz2.jpghttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3382/kidmangm2.jpg

[lostworld]

Nicole Kidman is looking very clonish in these pics...
Or perhaps robotoid - did anybody say "Stepford Wives"? ;)


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3440/30345kidman1kw3.jpghttp://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8656/nicolekidmanbj9.jpg

Anybody home?
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8550/nkidmanqj5.jpg

[endlessvista]

Look at the life in these eyes:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3110/kidmancruisems1611468x3gz2.jpg

This is not the same person. I am not sure how I mean this, but my god!
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8550/nkidmanqj5.jpg

Both photos are in the same situaiton and look how relaxed she looks in the first image.

[lostworld]

This thread is not complete without Angelina Jolie here.
One of the most Stepforded of them all!

Angelina is also most certainly replaced
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=51

I remember that she used to say in interviews that she never wanted a family life & children...
I also think that she has dramatically changed her taste in men. Brad would normally be too much of a "pretty boy" for her.


Before

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1277/angelinajolieandbillybovu7.jpghttp://img178.imageshack.us/img178/118/1oscarsgalangelinajoliend9.jpg

and after

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/330/ap070902027385pt8.jpghttp://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7080/angelinajolieoutwith4kima4.jpg

[lostworld]

Thanks Endless :)
Nicole is looking very different these days. :eek:

I will very soon be posting a new thread entirely on the celeb replacements.
Will post you a link to it once it's done.

Here I will more talk about the Stepford phenomena and also a bit about celebrities that are looking very clonish/robotoid these days.

If they are a clone/robotoid of course that also means that they are replaced. But the other thread will be more about doubles - when somebody is replaced with another person.
Of course it interacts though...

[lostworld]

Angelina & the Doll - one and the same?

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7067/0628057400ed6.jpg

[lenejento]

http://yummycelebrities.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/avril-lavigne-harpers-bazaar.jpg

?:D

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/avril-lavigne-pic.jpg

[lostworld]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7236/235390lqspwzl4.jpg


Robotoids and clones

Human clones are made by other humans from the DNA of a single cell, where a replica of the physical body is reproduced. That clone is only physical and has no soul, therefore, it has no God-connection. Clones can mate and reproduce clone children. A clone and a souled-human can mate and, again, only reproduce clone children.

Humans have no means to create a soul in another human clone, therefore, human clones have no soul and no concept of right and wrong, no conscience and no compassion. They have survival instinct and are greatly concerned about their own death, but not the welfare and death of others.

This explains why so many people today have no values, no morals, no ethics and are prone to violence.

They are more easily programmed through our mind-control type education and military training than are souled-humans with a freewill. Clones have no freewill, only a sense of survival, and will act accordingly through conditioned behavior.

The eye is the window of the soul. In the eye of another souled-human you can sense the Light emanating from the soul, the God Spirit within. As I said earlier, soul or God Spirit within, so there is no God-connection to the eternal Light of Creator Source. Therefore, there is no the human clone has no spiritual discernment. The eyes of a human clone may appear dull, blank, hollow, dark, vacant, lifeless, empty with no vibrancy or Light. They have no reaction to or understanding of spiritual energy, concepts or conversation.

The human clone acts robotically and is incapable of changing programming or thinking outside of "the box". Repetitive work and actions are not a problem. A human adult clone today can be made from a single cell in less than thirty-six hours. I am not joking. Russia had perfected cloning by the mid 1970's, and the Rothschilds were close behind in cloning technology.

(from http://www.2012unlimited.net/Robotoids.html )

[lostworld]

Hi Lenejento,
and welcome to the thread! :)

Very good example on Avril. Thanks!

Avril was not the girlie type before...
In fact her whole career - until now - has been based on her not to be.

So, what happened here :rolleyes:

[lostworld]

Plastic fantastic

Robotoids or real people?

At least they are very much Stepforded :eek:


http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9297/yellow1ng6.jpghttp://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3479/angelinajolibarson14100gs3.jpg



http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5791/512994659efaa942cd2o1qc1.jpghttp://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2188/001wt4.jpghttp://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8458/angelinajoliehair400a07bx4.jpg

[lenejento]

Hi Lenejento,
and welcome to the thread! :)

Very good example on Avril. Thanks!

Avril was not the girlie type before...
In fact her whole career - until now - has been based on her not to be.

So, what happened here :rolleyes:

I don't know, I guess it could just be a change from a rebellious teen to what she sees as adulthood (ie, just mainstream conditioning). But the dramatic transition happened very fast, so it's strange.

The second photo I posted of her freaks me out abit :o

[lostworld]

I don't know, I guess it could just be a change from a rebellious teen to what she sees as adulthood (ie, just mainstream conditioning). But the dramatic transition happened very fast, so it's strange.

The second photo I posted of her freaks me out abit :o

Yeah, I know.
I've seen other scary photos of here too.
See if I'll find them again... :)

[lostworld]

Female robots
Actroids, gynoids and fembots

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2585/450pxactroidder01sa9.jpg

This is what they present to us officially.
The technology is much more advanced and years ahead though. See my previous post on the illuminatis four types of clones.

An actroid at Expo 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=091ugdiojEM

An actroid at Expo 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys&feature=related


Male ones, pretty scary... :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RksP_gAqSh0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4dwcxiDTcA&feature=related



Gynoid, definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynoid

[faulconandsnowjob]

Not to turn this into a PID thread, but I have to post some comps of Paul McCartney to show that he was replaced b/c this one is close to my heart.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/fool_hill_comp.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/faul_1967_comp.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/paperback_comp.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/sff_comp.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/compare66.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/TheFaker/blueeyes3.jpg

To argue pro- or contra-PID/PWR, please visit this thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30205

[faulconandsnowjob]

1st cloned human - Germany - 1927, USA - MIT - 1967
from Stewart Swerdlow - History of Mind Control Part9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4txhZAgPzU

Henry Paulson has been cloned and killed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV0YiEOwpg&feature=related
(to the tune of "I Think I'm a Clone Now")

Here is some information about clones from a channeled source:

From Aug 9, 2004:
...
S: Matthew, excuse me, but it is true that Bush is a clone? And if it is, why hasn’t a new clone replaced this one that seems to have become really irrational?

4. MATTHEW: Yes, the President Bush seen publicly is a clone. It was only when he became governor of Texas that it occurred to the powers that be to have him cloned. By that time, alcohol had seriously compromised his physical and mental status, so the first clone could only be a poor specimen. Because the art and science of human—or even animal—cloning is far from perfected on Earth, there is deterioration with each successive clone, so a replacement cannot be in much better condition than the predecessor. And since the brain’s storage unit cannot be downloaded into a physically-ready clone until a new one is required, because all knowledge to that date must be included, by now there is little chance that Bush’s mental condition will improve.

S: Does the clone have a soul?

5. MATTHEW: No.

S: Maybe that’s causing or at least adding to his behavior?

6. MATTHEW: It may be contributing to his stated belief that he has been anointed by God to do what he’s doing, but basically it is the personality that is quite authentically reproduced in clones that you are witnessing. It will be surprising if his controllers can be patient much longer with his erratic behavior and diminishing effectiveness in carrying out their orders, but regardless of their concerns, this will not be publicly apparent...

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=18&z=2

There's something weird going on w/ Bush...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo

From http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=8&z=2:

25. The body has its own life force, so soulless clones are every bit as physically alive as any incarnated soul. What clones lack are the properties of a soul—emotions, especially the capacity to give and receive love; conscience, the sense of right and wrong; moral integrity and honor; intuition; and of course, the awareness of a godself. Clones without souls function totally within whatever measure of intellect and personality was downloaded from the person or a predecessor clone and by behaving in accordance with what they observe around them. Therefore, depending upon what was inherited from the cloned person and the environment in which it lives, a soulless clone may behave in a pleasant, helpful fashion. Clones may be, but not necessarily are produced by any civilization with the technological knowledge to do so.

26. A soul may choose to enter a clone. However, since the only adult human clones on Earth at this point are of maximally powerful people who want to insure that in the event of their death, their control continues over the unaware public, few souls choose to inhabit these cloned bodies. Those who choose to do so come from the highest light, and they enter for the purpose of turning a darkly inclined person into the light. Sometimes this is successful and other times it is not; when it is not, it’s because the darkness is so inculcated in the person’s character that even with the strong will of the lighted soul, it becomes trapped in that density.

From http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=32&z=2

Pope John Paul:

4. ... The Pope so beloved and respected by many throughout your world was cloned several years ago when it became clear to the dark souls that he was a liability. Seeing that he was determined to hinder their aim of retaining their power over religious believers, they ended the physical life of the light being John Paul. Since his soul elected not to enter the clone, he transitioned to Nirvana and has worked diligently to bring light to all souls on Earth.

5. In accordance with his soul contract and conscious desire, John Paul wanted to lift the people of the world above the confinements of the church dogma that was controlling them through deceit, and that did not serve the purpose of the dark souls who were bent on maintaining the status quo. Consider: What single influence during the past two millennia has been more divisive and has wielded more control over lives than religion, especially the Roman Catholic Church with its strategically established infallibility of its highest authority, the Pope? Although the clones that have been carrying on in the name of the Pope have publicly shown his gentleness, humility and loving spirit, it was to beguile, not to show the way to true spiritual growth. None of the reforms John Paul intended have come to pass. At the time of the downloading of his intelligence, knowledge, and experiential memories into the first clone, the clone was programmed to suppress John Paul’s divine inspiration to allow ancient records hidden in the Vatican to come forth and to share with the world's poor the vast wealth amassed by the church.

From http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=33&z=2

2. Now then, I shall continue by replying to the first question on your list that I see from your notes several writers have asked in various ways, “What’s with Pope Benedict XVI?” Joseph Ratzinger himself said that his reign as Pope will be short, and so it will insofar as “papal infallibility.” I shall return to that. As primary assistant to his predecessor, he knows what the Illuminati within the Vatican did to keep intact the persona of the beloved Pope John Paul while derailing his intent to bring forth the truth of the Roman Catholic hierarchy. So do not expect Pope Benedict to make waves until there is either sufficient light within the Illuminati members or they have been removed from their influential positions. But also, please do not hold Ratzinger’s personal or religious history against him—the former was beyond his control as a youth in Nazi Germany and the latter also was life-preserving....

S: Is Benedict a clone or will he be cloned like John Paul was?

5. MATTHEW: No, he’s not a clone, and it’s unlikely that this would be tried or even desired by those responsible for the cloning of John Paul. The purpose of clones is to take over in case of death by any means so that the person’s powerful influence won’t be interrupted. The new Pope hasn’t the charisma and the love of the masses as did his predecessor, and if he died tomorrow, the Illuminati within the Vatican very likely would be gleeful that this most logical successor to John Paul was quickly out of their way and they could get one of themselves into the papacy. They had insufficient support to manage this at the election where the prevailing choice was Ratzinger because of his closeness to John Paul...

[lostworld]

Thanks Faulcon for your post on clones! ^

Really interesting.

1st cloned human - Germany - 1927, USA - MIT - 1967
There we have it! The technology is so much more advanced then they would ever let us know.

They are showing us the Dolly the sheep and the actroids but the truth is so much worse... :eek:

[mushroombot]

Look at the life in these eyes:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3110/kidmancruisems1611468x3gz2.jpg

This is not the same person. I am not sure how I mean this, but my god!
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8550/nkidmanqj5.jpg

Both photos are in the same situaiton and look how relaxed she looks in the first image.

If the bottom picture has definitely not been doctored, you have a good point. There is an artificialness about it. The cloning of Hollywood stars is something that has crossed my mind but I havent seen any research layed out before.

[lostworld]

Thanks Mushroombot and welcome!

We are talking a lot of celebrity replacements here:

Paul is dead
http://only1rad.proboards62.com/ (http://only1rad.proboards62.com/)

Doppelganger and Identity Research Society
http://doppels.proboards99.com/

Please come and visit if you're interested in this topic!

I will very soon open a thread here on Icke too, only about the replacements.
Will post a link to it here when it's up and running :)

The Illuminati uses four types of replacements: actual clones, synthetic people, organic robotoids and doubles (look alikes) - see previous post on this thread.

The mind control in the music- and entertainment industry is the big thing I think, but the replacement agenda in it all seems to be much bigger than we first thought! :eek:
It was first brought to attention in the 60's, with Paul McCartney - replaced by a double.
Here are some great links on that subject: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30205
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8100
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30378

Using clones as replacements would cetainly explain why some stars seem so soul-less, plastic and empty. More examples on this coming up! :)

Oh, and btw - that pic on Nicole should not be doctored to my knowledge. It's from the Tony Awards and I have some more pics from the same event. Will post asap. This is by far the worst though, but she looks plastic in the others too :D

[lostworld]

Lenejento brought Avril Lavigne to my attention (thanks again!)

I just had to look into it some more. So, here are some pics:

Before

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/411/avrillavignevk5.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7397/avrillavigne0107gn4.jpghttp://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8623/avriltiesb8.jpg


And after - more girlie, dolled up and sexy.


http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/773/avril2cf5.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2134/avrillavignedi8.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5220/avrillavigne13166826rv8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1541/avrillavignepicture2ip8.jpghttp://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5501/lavignelead400x400vt9.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/693/musicsexyavrillavigne00sk9.jpghttp://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5066/sexyavrillavigneko9.jpg

[lostworld]

Really disturbing pics of Avril, dressed up to look like a living - or really more dead - doll.
Lots of Mk-symbolisms in these too. MK stand for MK-Ultra, CIA mind control project.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Freaky dolls, one seems to be missing an eye (one eye/all seeing eye), a puppet (controll by masters), black and white clothing (referring to dark and light - good and evil/evil and to be illuminated/enlightened - with the forbidden knowledge of man´s creation/the illuminati,
ALSO two colours (black and white) = duality, different alters, a split mind). You also see a lot of black and white clothing on the MK-sex kittens (like Christina Aguilera, Britney etc).

Red dress and shoes. In mind control red represents sexually compliant alters and blood/bloodline (the 12 reptile family lines that rule the world). The red shoes, same as Doherty in the Wizard of Oz (very important movie in the mind control-program).
The ball beside her also in two colours (duality, different alters, a split mind).

Once you know and recognise these basic mk-symbolisms you really find them everywhere in the music- and entertainment industry. :eek:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/141/markliddelltooya1.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4383/markliddelbq5.jpg

[hordeari]

nice thread, very interesting, btw a lot of celebrities were part of disney club..totally suspicious disney agenda

what about michael jackson? could he be also a proect of mkultra programs?

and i just wanna mention movie "zoolander" kind of satirical approach to this topics.. but i didnt watch that movie maybe someone who has can comment on that..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196229/plotsummary

and i remember how Avril L was slowly changing her style and outfit..as she was becoming older, regard nicole kidman today she looks like a robotized bat! ..horryfing, could be also programed celeb

[lostworld]

nice thread, very interesting, btw a lot of celebrities were part of disney club..totally suspicious disney agenda

what about michael jackson? could he be also a proect of mkultra programs?

and i just wanna mention movie "zoolander" kind of satirical approach to this topics.. but i didnt watch that movie maybe someone who has can comment on that..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196229/plotsummary

and i remember how Avril L was slowly changing her style and outfit..as she was becoming older, regard nicole kidman today she looks like a robotized bat! ..horryfing, could be also programed celeb

Thanks Hordeari,
and welcome to the thread!

Oh, there's a lot in this field. The mind control scene within the music- and entertainment industry is HUGE! Within all that is the replacement-agenda.

Michael Jackson, in my opinion, bear all the signs of a mind control victim.
It's really sad and tragic. I will post more specifically on mindcontrol & the musicindustry in my new thread that's coming soon. Will post a link here when I do so stay tuned :)

Disney is all mind control, and a "factory" for many of today's stars. But you already knew that... ;)

Nicole Kidman is either replaced or under heavy mindcontrol. Or both - as the replacement, if not a clone, really must believe that he/she IS the person that they replace.
I think Nicole Kidman was replaced though, I'm sad to say.

About Zoolander: As with most movies, what they show us is already fact. Fiction is already fact. The fashion industry is a gigantic illuminati-territory, like everything else. Lot's of trafficking of Eastern-European girls, drugs and prostitution. And mindcontrol! It's funny that you mention Zoolander cause my next post will be about some models that were clearly Stepforded...
In Zoolander (Zoo / oOz ) the male model is programmed with music as a trigger, dissociative spirals and other themes. That type of big spiral lollypop you find in fairgrounds is also seen in the movie. Fairgrounds and circuses are very much connected with mind control - no surprise "Circus" is the title for Britney's new album.

There's also electroshocks and various other techniques in the movie.

from the move "Zoolander"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7329/vlcsnap69360bf4.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3007/vlcsnap54017nd2.jpg


pics of model Lily Cole
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7853/ms3zv0.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1259/ms2hq5.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Somebody mentioned Disney, & Britney was in the Mickey Mouse Club.
http://britneyspearssite.info/

Is it just my browser, or did they split her head on that graphic?

I know somebody mentioned Angelina Jolie having been stepforded/replaced, so I wanted to post some pics. So, this woman went from wearing a vial of Billy Bob Thornton's blood to being the greatest mommy in the world?

Angelina
http://evoen.net/images/angelina.jpghttp://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/030709/165215__06angie_l.jpghttp://www.kyrbrahaus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hackers-angelina-jolie.jpghttp://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8285/997hkcangelinajolie010ns3.jpg

Fangelina?
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/angelina-jolie-hotel-rwanda-movie-premiere-arrivals-tgnmov.jpghttp://www.marieclaire.co.uk/imageBank/cache/a/angelina6_e_78137be33a967c29f10c2b17980b3f17.jpght tp://www.popdarts.com/Images/Female_Celebrities/Angelina_Jolie/images/Angelina_Jolie_072.jpghttp://www.popdarts.com/Images/Female_Celebrities/Angelina_Jolie/images/Angelina_Jolie_062.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/10/article-0-026A9693000005DC-302_468x599.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Really?

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2999/002551301685hm9.jpghttp://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2651/angelinajoliesomlonnmorgw5.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1310/angelinajolie70cz0.jpg

[lostworld]

Nicole Kidman looking very clonish

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7632/nkidmanqj5wg0.jpg

Here are some pics from the same event, the Tony Awards 2004.
With the same empty stare...

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6338/50933420xi9.jpghttp://img380.imageshack.us/img380/723/50933421ze4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9904/82816935dp5.jpghttp://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9228/82816934ke4.jpg

[lostworld]

Thanks Faulcon for the excellent pics of Angelina and Fangelina!

This woman has transformed so much both in appearance and in personality that she truly is the one most Stepforded of them all! :eek:



This just doesn't look human...
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/353/angelinajolie062cr8.jpg

[lostworld]

Somebody mentioned Disney, & Britney was in the Mickey Mouse Club.
http://britneyspearssite.info/

Is it just my browser, or did they split her head on that graphic?


Oh, they split her head alright. Split head = split personality.

Very good observation Faulcon! :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Maybe it's this doll you posted on doppelgaenger - lol :)

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7067/0628057400ed6.jpg

[lostworld]

^
I wouldn't be surprised at all, LOL! :D

[lostworld]

Karen Mulder

Dutch model Karen Mulder was one of the top model's of the 90's.

The fashion industry is a gigantic illuminati-territory, like everything else. Lot's of trafficking of Eastern-European girls, drugs and prostitution.
And mindcontrol!

Karen had a mental breakdown in 2001. Or more correctly - her programming broke down. She accused her father of molesting her as a child and Elite Models management, high politicians and royals incl. Prince Albert of Monoco of raping her and other models.

The allegations were made on a talk show that later wasn't aired and her family then put her in a drug rehab center for cocaine addiction.

She was a healthy model, sporty and had never been a party girl or in the papers for abusing drugs.
So that she would have a cocaine addiction seemed really weird. This girl was not Kate Moss if you know what I mean... ;)

She went into rehab, her stay there was paid for by Elite models' president = new programming, and she disappeared from the public eye.
After some time she was back and "cured", took back her allegations and became a mother...


Beautiful Karen
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6016/add717f5fefa175a7b5d7f4bt8.jpg


From Wikipedia:
In April 1998, Mulder announced she was thinking of quitting modeling and revealed some of her true feelings. "From the beginning, I hated being photographed", she told reporters at the time. "For me, it was just an assumed role, and in the end, I didn't know who I really was as a person. Everybody was saying to me, `Hi, you're fantastic.' But inside, I felt worse from day to day."[citation needed]

After leaving the modeling industry, Mulder took singing lessons and tried acting but spent a lot of time traveling, often with her new boyfriend, a wealthy Colombian named Julio Mario Santo Domingo, whom she dated until February 2001. Although she had been happy to stop modeling, she later told the press that working had been a convenient way to avoid her problems. "My job distracted me from my worries", she told a French magazine. "It enabled me not to be myself, to pretend I was someone else. But when my energy was no longer directed toward this one goal to meet, the anguish caught up with me."[citation needed]

In 2001, Mulder alleged she and other girls were used as sex slaves by senior figures in the police and French government. She also filed a rape complaint in France against Prince Albert of Monaco.

On October 31, 2001, Mulder claimed during a taping of the French channel France 2 show Tout le Monde en Parle (Everyone is Talking About It) hosted by Thierry Ardisson, and with a live audience in the studio, that various people, including top executives at her former agency, Elite, and Prince Albert of Monaco, had tried to rape her. Moreover, Mulder said that her own father had hypnotized her from the age of two and then raped her. The producers of the show deemed her emotionally unstable and did not broadcast the interview. Not only was the show never aired, but the entire recording was erased.

Days later, Mulder repeated her allegations, this time to a weekly magazine in an interview conducted in her Paris apartment. Within hours of the interview, her sister Saskia arrived and took her to Villa Montsouris, a psychiatric hospital specializing in such disorders as depression, anxiety, and delirium, where she stayed for five months. The stay reportedly was paid for by Elite models president Gerald Marie, an old friend of hers. Her father later publicly blamed her troubles on drugs.

In later interviews, Mulder said that those close to her were refusing to acknowledge that she had been sexually abused by an old family friend, now dead, when she was two years old. She had repressed the incident for years but had pieced it back together in psychoanalysis after she quit modeling. She said it was the explanation for her teenage battle with anorexia, her excitable moods, and her constant flights between laughter and tears. No one believed her allegations, however.

Feeling increasingly isolated, Mulder finally broke down. "It seemed everyone was against me", she later remembered about this period. "People told me I was fantasizing, that my psychoanalysis was wrong. So in order to be heard, I exaggerated. And I went overboard." Since then, she has recanted the rape allegations she made to the press and apologized to Prince Albert.[1] She continued to insist that she was sexually abused as a child.


On December 11, 2002, after suffering for years from chronic depression, Mulder went into a coma after she overdosed on sleeping pills in an apparent suicide attempt. She left no note. She was rushed to the American Hospital in Neuilly after neighbors found her passed out on the floor of the Paris apartment on exclusive Avenue Montaigne where she was staying with friends. Mulder's parents flew from the Netherlands to be by her side along with former fiancé Jean-Yves Le Fur. Le Fur was reportedly one of the people who found Mulder unconscious after arriving at the apartment after Mulder had not answered several of his telephone calls. She awoke from her coma the next day.

Upon discharge from the hospital, Mulder stayed out of the limelight to recover for about a year. Mulder was quoted in Gaia magazine in 2004 as being more trustful in the future: "At this moment, I am rather happy. But it takes time to cure the wounds. I know that I am on the way. Today, I want to live, quite simply!"

She gave birth to a daughter, Anna, on October 30, 2006.


She was later reported to be off medication and back on track, launching a new career in music with a chart-topping cover version of Gloria Gaynor's I Am What I Am, making a dazzling appearance at the Christian Dior haute couture collections and reporting that she felt "like a different woman". "I am serene, full of energy and I've rediscovered the little girl inside me, she said in a June interview.
from http://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/2002/12/11/karenmulder/
This interview was after her drug-rehab and before her overdose", the little girl is probably an alter.


Karen and Carla
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8418/000d60aa06df08dd616141cq7.jpg

Karen is also best friends with fellow supermodel Carla Bruni - new first lady of France!
More coming up on Carla...

[lostworld]

Carla Bruni
Stepford d'Extraordinaire

Carla Bruni, heiress to the Italian tire manufacturing company CEAT (founded in the 1920s by her grandfather Virginio Bruni Tedeschi that was sold in the 1970s to Pirelli) was born in Turin, Italy. The family moved to France in 1973, reportedly to escape the threat of kidnapping.

She went to Paris to study art and architecture, but left school at 19 to become a model.

In the 90's, Carla was among the 20 highest-paid fashion models, earning $7.5 million a year.
She is known for her partying and her taste for rockstars, she has dated Eric Clapton and Mick Jagger among others. She also had an affair with former French Prime Minister Laurent Fabius. She's often called "a maneater".

In 1997, Carla quit the world of fashion and has since then been very successfull in her music career.

She met recently divorced French president Nicolas Sarkozy in November 2007 at a dinner party. After a brief romance they married on 2 February 2008 at the Élysée Palace in Paris. The marriage is Carla's first and Sarkozy's third. She obtained French nationality and abandoned her Italian one the next summer. (from Wikipedia)

"I'm monogamous from time to time, but I prefer polygamy and polyandry" (Carla Bruni)

"I want a man with nuclear power " (Carla Bruni)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5867/carlabrunipr8.jpg


Her best friend, former model Karen Mulder, had a mental breakdown in 2001 and accused her father of molesting her as a child and Elite Models management, high politicians and royals incl. Prince Albert of Monoco of raping her and other models. Mulder alleged she and other girls were used as sex slaves by senior figures in the police and French government.

Carla Bruni has been passed around the rockstars and the power. She is from a wealthy family + has earned millions from both her modeling - and her music career so she can't hardly be called a golddigger. She's most certainly a mind controlled sex slave in the same way as her friend Karen Mulder.

Sarkozy probably got her as a "reward" for serving the agenda.

Carla says that she still wants to continue with her music and she released a new album in July this year. We'll see if there will be anymore albums...

She certainly looks very much Stepforded to me!


Before

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8232/ftcarla120ld3.jpghttp://img514.imageshack.us/img514/795/carlabruniblackandwhitejo3.pnghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3435/carlabruni156peterlindbhi7.jpghttp://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2577/ericclaptoncarlabrunipg4.jpg


and after

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3850/carlabrunipa468x617ze0.jpghttp://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7934/080326carlabrunivmed930fr8.jpghttp://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3281/carla20bruni2ig3.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9773/nicholassarkozyub2.jpghttp://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5775/carlacharlesbs9.jpg

[lostworld]

The author of the Stepford Wives - Ira Levin - is also the author Rosemary's Baby and The Boys from Brazil.

Levin attended Drake University.
Levin's best-known novel is Rosemary's Baby, a horror story of modern day Satanism and other occultisms, set in Manhattan's Upper West Side.

Wrote the Stepford Wives. The premise involves the married men of the fictional town of Stepford, Connecticut, and their fawning, submissive, impossibly beautiful wives.
The wives of Stepford are actually look-alike gynoids, manufactured in secret at the men's club.

The boys from Brazil - Yakov Liebermann is an elderly gentleman who is known as a Nazi hunter.
In September 1974, Liebermann receives a disturbing phone call from a young man who claims he has just finished eavesdropping on the so-called "Angel of Death," Dr. Josef Mengele, the concentration camp medical doctor who performed horrible experiments on camp victims during World War II. According to the young man, Mengele is activating the Kameradenwerk for a strange assignment: he is sending out six Nazis to kill 94 men, who share a few common traits. All men are civil servants, and all of them have to be killed on or about a certain date. Before the young man can finish the conversation, there is a muffled sound of sudden action, followed by silence, and then the telephone line goes dead.
It eventually transpires each of the 94 targets has a son aged 13, a clone of Adolf Hitler planted by Mengele. The assassination of the civil servant father is an attempt to mimic the death of Hitler's own father, with the hope of creating a new Führer for the Nazi movement. This suggests that the Third Reich can develop again into a new superpower.

Levin was married and divorced twice, and had three sons and three grandsons.

All of these productions were hardly just the creation of a very imaginative mind - there's obviously more to it. There are too many "coincidences" - Ira Levin, with all that knowledge, was most def an insider.

(info from Wikipedia)

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ I thought Mengele came to the USA as a part of Project Paperclip...?

[lostworld]

^ Is there any contradiction? :confused: :)

[lostworld]

Again - quite a remarkable change for the first lady of France! :)

Before
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5867/carlabrunipr8.jpg

and after

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7934/080326carlabrunivmed930fr8.jpg

[brainfreeze]

Again - quite a remarkable change for the first lady of France! :)

Before
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5867/carlabrunipr8.jpg

and after

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7934/080326carlabrunivmed930fr8.jpg


She only dresses conservatively now due to hubbies position. It makes sense too. Anyone meeting the queen will conform to conservative dress as a sign of respect. But we all know she's still a naughty girl and her and hubby are still swingers, which they don't deny!

[lostworld]

She only dresses conservatively now due to hubbies position. It makes sense too. Anyone meeting the queen will conform to conservative dress as a sign of respect. But we all know she's still a naughty girl and her and hubby are still swingers, which they don't deny!

Hi, and welcome to this thread! :)
Of course she has to dress conservatively nowdays.
However, I don't think that her relationsship to Sarkozy is that innocent and on equal terms.

Like Carla's best friend and fellow model Karen Mulder let us know during her mental/programming breakdown:
In 2001, Mulder alleged she and other girls were used as sex slaves by senior figures in the police and French government. She also filed a rape complaint in France against Prince Albert of Monaco.
(see previous post on Karen Mulder)

To me it looks more that Carla Bruni has been passed around the rockstars and the power. She is from a wealthy family + has earned millions from both her modeling - and her music career so she can't hardly be called a golddigger. She's most certainly a mind controlled sex slave in the same way as her friend Karen Mulder.

Sarkozy probably got her as a "reward" for serving the agenda. :(

[brainfreeze]

Hi, and welcome to this thread! :)
Of course she has to dress conservatively nowdays.
However, I don't think that her relationsship to Sarkozy is that innocent and on equal terms.

Like Carla's best friend and fellow model Karen Mulder let us know during her mental/programming breakdown:
In 2001, Mulder alleged she and other girls were used as sex slaves by senior figures in the police and French government. She also filed a rape complaint in France against Prince Albert of Monaco.
(see previous post on Karen Mulder)

To me it looks more that Carla Bruni has been passed around the rockstars and the power. She is from a wealthy family + has earned millions from both her modeling - and her music career so she can't hardly be called a golddigger. She's most certainly a mind controlled sex slave in the same way as her friend Karen Mulder.

Sarkozy probably got her as a "reward" for serving the agenda. :(

Oops...I didn't look into the Karen Mulder situ, I will do now though.

Thanks for the welcome and the lead here. :)

[lostworld]

^
No problem. :)
Just so you get an idea of the bigger picture that might be pretty scary actually... :eek:

[rhydra]

Has anyone noticed that many of the after pictures don't have a fold on the top lip under the nose? Not sure what it's called but they don't have it.

[lostworld]

Has anyone noticed that many of the after pictures don't have a fold on the top lip under the nose? Not sure what it's called but they don't have it.


Hi Rhydra,
and welcome!

I know what you mean. Haven't thought about it though...
Will check it out, thanks! :)

[lostworld]

Oh, Oh
This doesn´t sound so good...

Charlize Theron has been laying low these days, so when we saw her last week at the East of Havana screening in NYC, we were totally surprised by how different she looked. We tend to think of Charlize as a sunny blonde so it took us a minute to fully register her severely slicked back brunette hair and red lips. Clearly, she’s a beauty either way, but the looks are so different that we can’t resist comparing!
(from peoplestylewatch.com)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5674/charlizeaq5.jpg

I really like Charlize and think she's a great actress. Beautiful, smart and has a great personality.

Please don't let her be Stepforded...

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Is there any contradiction?
Well, about Mengele, did he go to the USA 1st, then Brazil? Does anybody know? Just wondering...

[hordeari]

according to what i just googled,

all over south america.. but in the period just after escaping from ger is not fully cleared yet

http://www.heart7.net/mengele.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2875368

but again this is according to the mainline history science :)

non mainstream glasses :cool:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/09/mengele-mossad-and-cia.html

more in mainstream articles..
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-09-02-193282646_x.htm

are u somehow connecting mengele to the mkultra monarch and these stepford ladies...?
*update* now i see where u gettin at..
"Allegedly, Mengele helped the CIA with MKULTRA mind-control experiments."

[forza nascosta]

I have enjoyed reading this thread.

What do I put into google to find out more about this? Can anyone recommend any good websites?

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Yes, you can read more about this at

Doppelganger and Identity Research Society
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general

"Stepford Rosie?" is the precursor thread to this one. The "Clones & doubles" thread is also really good.

This whole subject gets really deep into MKULTRA/CIA/Illuminati/clones & doubles territory. It's pretty messed up, but very interesting & eye-opening. Lostworld has done a great job in exposing it!

Here are some websites for some background info:

Mind Control Series
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/mind_control_series4.htm

Mind Control 101
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/dmcgmindcontrol101july01.shtml

Inside the LC (Laurel Canyon) at
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

Government Mind Control
http://myweb.cableone.net/mtilton/

A List of Alleged Programmers
http://www.heart7.net/programmers.html

[lostworld]

I swear, when I first saw this pic below I thought it was a wax doll of Nicole:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8782/78172824ac3.jpg


It's not!!! :eek:

This is really shocking I think. Look at it! Look at the eyes.



Some more pics from the same event

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7559/78172826if8.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8630/51576711jx9.jpg

[forza nascosta]

^ Yes, you can read more about this at

Doppelganger and Identity Research Society
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general

"Stepford Rosie?" is the precursor thread to this one. The "Clones & doubles" thread is also really good.

This whole subject gets really deep into MKULTRA/CIA/Illuminati/clones & doubles territory. It's pretty messed up, but very interesting & eye-opening. Lostworld has done a great job in exposing it!

Here are some websites for some background info:

Mind Control Series
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/mind_control_series4.htm

Mind Control 101
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/dmcgmindcontrol101july01.shtml

Inside the LC (Laurel Canyon) at
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

Government Mind Control
http://myweb.cableone.net/mtilton/

A List of Alleged Programmers
http://www.heart7.net/programmers.html

Thanks for the links, I will check them out.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I swear, when I first saw this pic below I thought it was a wax doll of Nicole:
Maybe it's an upgrade :D

[lostworld]

LOL, yeah maybe. :D

[lostworld]

Carla Bruni Sarkozy Lancia commercial
- notice the half-face posters of Carla in the beginning (at 0.06),
= one eye (the all seeing eye) ALSO a split face = split mind/alters/mindcontrol. Very common illuminati/MK-symbolism.
You'll find this on albumcovers, movieposters etc.

Black and white video (referring to dark and light /evil and to be illuminated/enlightened/the illuminati) ALSO two colours (black and white) = duality, different alters, a split mind.

Red carpet = red represents sexually compliant alters and blood/bloodline (the 12 reptile family lines that rule the world).

Fire = sun and fire worship (illuminati). Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati on May 1st, 1776. This particular date had to do with The May Day festivals that were a celebration of sun and fire worship.
Fire worship was to be the basis of the highest mysteries of the Illuminati.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KHGrMvoRZw


http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4056/carlabrunilanciamusagq4dc5.jpg

[rhydra]

As in the other photographs the fold on the top lip just isn't normal. The more I look at them the more I realise that it's been left out.

[faulconandsnowjob]

As mentioned on another forum (PID Miss Him), the eyes are really messed up:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8782/78172824ac3.jpg

I don't remember ever seeing a pic of "Nicole" where her eyes don't focus together.

[lostworld]

Ashlee Simpson - replaced or not?
See the discussion here:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=15

Either way - she certainly was Stepforded!


Before
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1227/51915023ky9.jpghttp://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4185/77274440dt1.jpghttp://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4205/83050843mu0.jpg


After

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/67/76135931cn5.jpghttp://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6118/74799583kx0.jpghttp://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4586/74799585hy2.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1958/76608319xe8.jpghttp://img214.imageshack.us/img214/984/76636014ny7.jpghttp://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9409/ashleesimpsonbazaarmp6.jpg

[lostworld]

Some posts ago I wrote about Dutch former supermodel Karen Mulder.

Karen had a mental breakdown in 2001. Or more correctly - her programming broke down. She accused her father of molesting her as a child and Elite Models management, high politicians and royals incl. Prince Albert of Monoco of raping her and other models.

After her breakdown Karen was - of course - taken to rehab (=reprogramming). Sometime after that she tried to commit suicide ( = murder attempt?).

Once again she was taken back to hospital & rehab and then - voilà - new "boyfriend" and a baby on the way. ::)



It's strange how these gorgeous supermodels so often hook up with older, quite ugly men. And is passed on from one to the other. Remember - these women are hardly any golddiggers, they have plenty of money on their own.

Karens previous statement is very credible I think. It would explain a lot...

Karen is also best friends with fellow supermodel Carla Bruni - new first lady of France! See previous post on Carla. Most likely programmed as Karen.


Pregnant Karen in 2006 with her "boyfriend" :o
Doesn't look like a happy couple to me...
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1120/karenxd2.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5502/karen1ss8.jpg


Karen? with daughter? Anna
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8122/splashnewskcs120307m008jo5.jpg

You may notice that Anna has a hemangioma next to her right eye. This is a blood vessel growth that occurs in 2-5% of babies - mostly girls, preemies, or twins.

Interesting comment from here: http://celebrity-babies.com/2007/03/20/model_karen_mul/


Sceptical says:
July 7th, 2007 at 8:40 am
"Are you sure it is Karen Mulder’s baby? Where is the father?
I was also photographed with a child in this way but it was not mine.
Why in these photos (http://celebritynation.blogspot.com/2006/06/small-picture-post_03.htmlpregnant Karen Mulder) has she no navel on her belly? Why is she wearing a scarf even the weather seem to be warm? Last time I saw such a thing, the woman was hidden marks on her neck! Why seems the man with her so agressive? Are those photos the ones of an happy mother with her family?http://www.posh24.se/karen_mulder/karen_mulder_oigenkannlig
I talked several times with women working in the fashion world, they did all say the same to me:they do rape us , force us to be with men we do not want, they use GHB the “rape drug” ,the medically recognized effect of this drug is hypnose ,exactely what she tried to say to the french television… I am afraid for Karen Mulder, she risked her life to warn young girls to not trust modelling agencies I am sure she was threatened. Has police medias of today no HONOR?For sure!The last the citizen can do is to try to know the thruth about Karen Mulder,French are pure cowards it’s a proven fact."

Of the pics mentioned I could only get the pics of Karen with her "boyfriend". I'm so curious about that "no-navel picture"!
It reminds me of this recent story about supermodel Karolina Kurkova http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1086567/Victorias-Secret-model-Karolina-Kurkova-riddle-missing-belly-button.html

So, what's going on? Why don't these women have any belly-buttons? Are they in fact clones/synthetics/robotoids? ???

If so - their pregnancies must be fake.
As also might be the case with Angelina Jolie (Fangelina). At least her last pregnancy with the twins...

And what's up with Hollywood and all these twin-births anyway? ???
The twin-concept is big within the illuminati, with lots of testing on twins in the past (e.g. Mengele) and cloning experimenting, use of doubles, twin/duality symbolisms etc.
I know the chance of getting twins is also increased with IVF (in vitro fertilization).

Is it all a part of a bigger, sick plan?

[faulconandsnowjob]

Wow! They airbrush a belly button in for her? That is really bizarre...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/17/article-1086567-027B7FE0000005DC-361_233x553.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/17/article-1086567-027DEE1A000005DC-837_224x480.jpg

Here was a funny comment on that:


Nice to know she's human, or maybe not.
Either way, she look fabulous.

Personally, i think it looks great!
Click to rate Rating 2 - Kaynie, Peterborough, England, 18/11/2008 12:53

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1086567/Victorias-Secret-model-Karolina-Kurkova-riddle-missing-belly-button.html


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navel:

The navel ... is a scar on the abdomen, caused when the umbilical cord is removed from a newborn baby. All placental mammals have a navel. While it is fairly conspicuous in humans, in most mammals it appears only as a thin hairless line.

[lostworld]

Old news articles on Karens breakdown.
Very interesting reading.

http://www.sverreerikjebens.com/former.gif

http://www.sverreerikjebens.com/mulder.jpg

(You'll enhance the text if you put the marker on it)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Dave Chappelle talks about the sick, controlling environment in Hollywood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OniNubupbQ4&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4h-kTDUzmo&feature=channel

[lostworld]

^
Thanks for posting this Faulcon!
"Maybe I know stuff people don't want me to talk about" - yeah, maybe Dave... :D

Very interesting.

From Dave Chappelle the step to Eddie Murphy isn't far.
Now there is a MAN who certainly was stepforded! (more unusual than women being stepforded). Sadly, Eddie was most certainly also replaced.
Follow the discussion about Eddie and Feddie (false Eddie) on Doppelgangers:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=39

The replacement happened around 1990-1992.
After this the provocative and FUNNY Eddie is gone.
No more stand up and only non-provocative family/romantic comedies, DISNEY (mindcontrol) productions and voice overs in animated movies!

His music career is suddenly over too even though Eddie loved to sing. Probably Feddie hasn't the same interest... ;)
And what about his signature laugh? Gone that too...

Probably Eddie Murphy was too much of a troublemaker and had to be "conformed". :eek:

Dave Chappelle and Eddie/Feddie worked together in The Nutty Professor, 1996. Eddie had been a major comedic influence on Dave.
Did Dave discover that he in fact was working with an imposter? A clue to his above statement about Hollywood?



Before

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8916/53992697eo2.pnghttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5573/20644874if6.pnghttp://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6536/48509348lu0.png



Eddie singing in the 80's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbpzjbXUZI

! There is a major connection here:
Notice Rick James, producer of "Party all the time".
In a popular episode of "Chappelle's Show", Charlie Murphy - Eddie Murphy's brother (who also wrote the sketch) retells events of the 1980s involving Rick James with Murphy playing himself and Dave Chappelle as James.

As always - it's all connected... ;)



After (Feddie)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/283/feddie3sc1.pnghttp://img293.imageshack.us/img293/465/18876525w434hq80hj5.jpghttp://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5641/norbitmovie01dq4.jpg


After the replacement. Feddie in 1993, singing with Michael Jackson.
Notice the difference in voice, mannerism, moves - everything! - compared to Eddie in the 80's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9cQOcAC_K8

[faulconandsnowjob]

Remember that movie Eddie did where he became a politician to do all these great things to help society, but once he was elected, he found out how controlled politicians were? I saw that movie about 10 yrs ago, & I can barely remember it, but I can't help but think it's significant. But yeah, I've wondered for a long time what happened to Eddie. He used to be so hysterically funny, but in the past few years, he's just been lame. That seems very odd to me :confused:

[lostworld]

^
Sorry, I haven't seen that movie. Interesting though. :)

Yeah, the story about Eddie is tragic. Stepforded or replaced - as with Paul McCartney, the difference in the persons character is so signficant.
A sudden change in someones personality is just as much a clue as a change in appearance I think.

[armoured_amazon]

I never thought about the possibility of him being replaced but I have been aware that I dislike the 'new' Eddie when I used to like him a lot in the 80s. I just assumed it was success, money and greed that had soured him or something.

[lostworld]

I never thought about the possibility of him being replaced but I have been aware that I dislike the 'new' Eddie when I used to like him a lot in the 80s. I just assumed it was success, money and greed that had soured him or something.

Hi Armoured Amazon,
and welcome! :)

Interesting that you react differently to the new Eddie. That's often how it starts. That "je ne sais quoi"-feeling, you just know that something's off and not quite right.
But it can be hard to say just exactly what it is.

Those people that I think have been replaced or at least are under heavy mindcontrol, it all started with having that first strange feeling about them.
And I had that feeling before I knew anything about mindcontrol or replacements at all.

Then you do some research and add the pieces that fit together and - :eek: !

I was turned off when I saw some interview with Paul McCartney many years ago - I just couldn't believe that that man, who I didnt find attractive or intelligent at all, could be the same fun and smart guy who wrote all those fantastic Beatles-songs...

Like I've mentioned in the PID-threads too - as a woman, you're either attracted to a guy or you're not. It has nothing to do with who is the original and who is the imposter. But if the original has the whole deal: looks, charm, charisma, intelligence and the imposter lack one of these things (or more) it's much easier to spot that something's wrong.

It's good to know your instincts works at least, right?

[armoured_amazon]

Yup. Another is Angelina Jolie, but I'm just in the middle of a cleaning blitz so I shall return later to expand. :)

[lostworld]

Yup. Another is Angelina Jolie, but I'm just in the middle of a cleaning blitz so I shall return later to expand. :)

I've posted on Angelina earlier on this thread. Just go back to previous posts to read more.

Actually the new Angelina might even be a clone/synthetic/robotoid :eek:
The illuminati have 4 different types of replacements:
actual clones, synthetic people, organic robotoids and doubles (look alikes).
Read more about that and Angelina here:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=60&page=1

http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=51

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7963/91841uacywqj6.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

I've posted on Angelina earlier on this thread. Just go back to previous posts to read more.

Actually the new Angelina might even be a clone/synthetic/robotoid :eek:
The illuminati have 4 different types of replacements:
actual clones, synthetic people, organic robotoids and doubles (look alikes).
Read more about that and Angelina here:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=60&page=1

http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=51

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7963/91841uacywqj6.jpg

Heh, I have that site open too; I'm multitasking! (really badly) :D

[lostworld]

Oh, great!
Then you have everything that you need... :)

[yeshua]

This thread is very interesting.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5220/avrillavigne13166826rv8.jpg
Something caught my attention about this photo. Notice the red shoes (red shoes/Dorothy/Wizard of Oz), also look at the tattoo on her arm.
http://avril-l.org/tatoo6.jpg
This is different but similar to tattoos I've seen on many young stars.
http://cfs9.tistory.com/image/9/tistory/2008/07/29/00/21/488de3ebb9555
Here is Rihanna, who seems to have gone through opposite programming than Avril with her album Good Girl Gone Bad.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2753857415_1fc28372e1.jpg
Another Rihanna tattoo, this time skull & bones, note the red shoes.
Did Avril have a lot of skull & bones in her videos before the change? Because now her work is full of it.
http://cornershopstudios.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/avril-lavigne-29.jpg
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/startracks/070430/avril_lavigne2.jpg
Also...
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/photo382.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/35.jpg
Paul started throwing up similar Illuminati/Occult hand signs after his alleged switch.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/sirfaul.jpg
But back to the original tattoo I posted about.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/R9lurb6khjI/AAAAAAAAMFM/ZQHOIqRsgyk/s1600-h/lindsay_lohan_tattoo_04.jpg
Same tattoo as Rihanna, and again intentially showing it off to the camera. Also note the Kabbalah red string (Madonna, Britney, Paris also Kabbalahlist who are MK sex kittens too)

[yeshua]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/lindsay_lohan_tattoo_04.jpg
Same tattoo as Rihanna, and again intentially showing it off to the camera. Also note the Kabbalah red string (Madonna, Britney, Paris also Kabbalahlist who are MK sex kittens too)
http://img.skitch.com/20080408-m6jujhfk4wcxbm99h2drrjns7c.jpg
Look behind Chris brown's ear. He is Rihanna's boyfriend who idolizes MK victim Micheal Jackson. Also note his skull with a halo tattoo.
http://www.bet.com/Assets/BET/Published/image/jpeg/95a9d51a-8b51-094e-0162-d19cdabeb521-life_fb_buzzindex_StarTattoo.jpg
Look at Usher's hand.
Besides Avril all of those tats are identical and even hers is similar.

[yeshua]

Two other male Stepford's are Ice Cube and Martin Lawrence.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/ImSoILLWitIt/martin_lawrence_you_so_crazy_ver2.jpg
Martin started out as an explicit stand up comedian. He also had a television show that was explicit at times.

During August 1999, Lawrence went into a three-day coma after collapsing from heat exhaustion while jogging in 100-degree heat with several layers of heavy clothing.[1] He recovered in the hospital from near death and running a body temperature of a seemingly impossible 107 °F (41.7 °C), his breathing assisted by a respirator.

There is a clear difference between the movies he did before 99 and after.

Before
http://www.impawards.com/1996/posters/thin_line_between_love_and_hate.jpg
Very adult themes, not exactly kid friendly.

After
http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/college-road-trip-300x400.jpg
With Cosby (Boule member)/Disney star Raven Simone.

http://o.aolcdn.com/feedgallery/music/i/i/ice_cube/02-ice-cube-171007.jpg
Ice Cube started out as a member of rap group NWA (Niggaz With Attitude).

Now he's an actor/director starring in movies like this:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/1000876~Are-We-There-Yet-Posters.jpg

The Eddie Murphy, Ice Cube, and Martin Lawrence movies all have a similar family oriented, safe feel to them. The Martin and Ice Cube movies I posted even have similar themes. Probably the same handlers behind the scenes.

[armoured_amazon]

When I get some free time after New Year's Eve I'd like to investigate Ben Affleck. I used to enjoy his performances but it seems he's had a personality tranplant/lobotomy, circa the Bennifer (J-Lo) period, from which he has not returned. It's hard to tell, because he's always been pretty wooden lol, but something is off.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080723/romance/Chasing-Amy-Ben_l.jpg http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2008/02/20/1203546766_1467.jpg
http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Jennifer-BenAffleck.jpg

http://www.usmagazine.com/files/ben-jen-together-b.jpg http://www.staralicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ben-affleck.jpg

[chipstyxx]

Well I definitely think these celebrities have been Stepforded but possibly not in a 'being replaced by clones' way. Some of the photos of Jolie and Kidman have been heavily airbrushed so of course they have that less than human look.
Nicole Kidman is a well known botox junkie (which is responsible for her expressionless gaze) who obviously has had her lips enhanced over the years. Jolie has had a nose job and possibly other procedures, her face is definitely a lot more angular than it was when she was younger. (could also be weightloss) So in that way they have become stepforded, moulding them selves to the Hollywood ideal through plastic surgery.

But this is not to say I don't think they could have been mind controlled. Angelina leaves all kind of clues that lead towards that. I'm just not sure if they have been replaced. If we agree that people can be cloned would there be any need for mind control at all? Nicole Kidman's pregnancy was gossiped bout as being odd. When she was with Tom Cruise she had trouble conceiving and they now both have young children. Kidmans pregnancy looked strange, she was hardly seen out and when she was, her bump seemed extremely small and unnatural looking. A few days after she gave birth, her body seemed to be totally back to normal. Then you have Jolie and Pitt, why the tinkering with fertility treatments to get twins?

When I first saw this thread I first thought of Britney. Since her 'recovery' from her 'breakdown' last year I have seen lots of photos where she doesn't look like herself. I read somewhere that she uses doubles to fool the paparazzi. Her father ( a one time, violent drunk) is now keeping a tight reign on her affairs. It was even reported that her Father has been selecting a boyfriend for her. That sounds kind of weird to me. Why would he want that much control. Then today I saw this photo of Britney and her latest boyfriend ( a bollywood dance choreographer?!) Notice the butterfly necklace she is wearing! Is this guy her latest handler?

http://www.dlisted.com/files/bribritindia12.jpg

[lostworld]

Thanks for your great posts Yeshua,
and welcome here! :)

The stepfording of Ice Cube and Martin Lawrence was news to me - really interesting. Thanks!

I was gonna save the MK-sex kittens for another thread but since this thread seems to be taking off (I'm happy to say :) ) - and since the kittens and the stepfords are very much connected - let's just bring it on!

Oh, and about Avril: I think the skull & bones were there from the start.
I can be wrong though. We'll have to check that.

The tattoo's on these celebs work as some kind of marking. I've also seen this star-pattern before. Weird. :confused:
Most probably, it has some kind of mindcontrol meaning...

[lostworld]

Well I definitely think these celebrities have been Stepforded but possibly not in a 'being replaced by clones' way. Some of the photos of Jolie and Kidman have been heavily airbrushed so of course they have that less than human look.
Nicole Kidman is a well known botox junkie (which is responsible for her expressionless gaze) who obviously has had her lips enhanced over the years. Jolie has had a nose job and possibly other procedures, her face is definitely a lot more angular than it was when she was younger. (could also be weightloss) So in that way they have become stepforded, moulding them selves to the Hollywood ideal through plastic surgery.

But this is not to say I don't think they could have been mind controlled. Angelina leaves all kind of clues that lead towards that. I'm just not sure if they have been replaced. If we agree that people can be cloned would there be any need for mind control at all? Nicole Kidman's pregnancy was gossiped bout as being odd. When she was with Tom Cruise she had trouble conceiving and they now both have young children. Kidmans pregnancy looked strange, she was hardly seen out and when she was, her bump seemed extremely small and unnatural looking. A few days after she gave birth, her body seemed to be totally back to normal. Then you have Jolie and Pitt, why the tinkering with fertility treatments to get twins?

When I first saw this thread I first thought of Britney. Since her 'recovery' from her 'breakdown' last year I have seen lots of photos where she doesn't look like herself. I read somewhere that she uses doubles to fool the paparazzi. Her father ( a one time, violent drunk) is now keeping a tight reign on her affairs. It was even reported that her Father has been selecting a boyfriend for her. That sounds kind of weird to me. Why would he want that much control. Then today I saw this photo of Britney and her latest boyfriend ( a bollywood dance choreographer?!) Notice the butterfly necklace she is wearing! Is this guy her latest handler?

http://www.dlisted.com/files/bribritindia12.jpg

Hi Chipstyxx and welcome! :)
When I talk about "being Stepforded" I mainly mean just like you - the programming of a persons personality. Someone who suddenly changes character from being a bit of a "wild child" to becoming a plain shadow of his/her former self.

BUT - since I believe that cloning and replacements are a reality in the music- and entertainment industry it's also inevitable that this also comes up.
This of course is the most extreme kind of Stepfording and also what the movie Stepford wives is about - that the stepfords are really robotoids. :eek:

I will never force my opinions on anybody and I think we have a great mix and range here on the thread now: from mindcontrol stepfording, mk-sex kittens and finally the clones/robotoids and the replacements.
For me, this is all connected. I have done a lot of research in this area and I absolutely don't swallow everything that's out there.
It's both terrifying and great when the pieces fit into the bigger puzzle though. At the same time it's sad when you discover that your favourite artist or actor is just a mind controlled puppet in an evil agenda... :(

We all have to take it step by step, what works for ourselves and our own beliefs. That's the only way. :)

Thanks for the pic of Britney. Had no idea that she was dating again.
That could very much be a handler. Or a "2 in 1" deal. :rolleyes:
Artists/rockstars/models (sexslaves) and actors all date eachother - it's easier to control. The handlers are often older artists/stars, producers, photographers, managers or working behind the scenes in some other way.

About airbrushing: I try to avoid to post pics from magasin-covers etc since these are manipulated. Photos inside magasins are more ok - they tend to photoshop the covers most. However - "live" photos from events etc are the best AND here you still can find very plastic "people". There is also some kind of shallow and empty, soul-less feeling about these celebs. I think in these cases, like with Angelina and Nicole we can actually be looking at clones/synthetics/robotoids :eek:

About the celeb-pregnancies: I haven't had the time to look into this as much as I would have wanted. Something is very wrong here though...
Tom and Nicole only adopted. Now is baby Suri really his?
Nicole and Angelina I am sure had fake pregnancies.
Angelinas first pregnancy (with Shiloh) might have been real though (wasn't there some nude pregnancy pics a la Demi Moore or something? Or at least some where you saw here naked belly? I can't find any pics of it now though...)
Yes - what's up with the twin-thing? Fertility treatments increases the chances of having twins but "everybody" in Hollywood are having twins now!
Twins are really a big thing within the illuminati-symbolism too.
The twin/the double/the altered mind, the number 11. Hmmm :rolleyes:

[lostworld]

Good observation about Ben, Amazon! :)

I know too little about him to really say what's going on there.
You very much do have a point though. Keep digging when you have the time and please post what you find! :)

[armoured_amazon]

Good observation about Ben, Amazon! :)

I know too little about him to really say what's going on there.
You very much do have a point though. Keep digging when you have the time and please post what you find! :)

Will do. :)

I used to have a mayjah crush on him back in the day and find him repulsive now. I don't think he's been replaced but programmed.

[lostworld]

^
I agree, he was much hotter before :)

Now, he just seems boring :(

But what about all that gambling etc, wasn't that why it ended with J.Lo?
(Not that gambling is a good thing).

Is he just a family man now with Jennifer Garner?
And isn't she really boring too...?

[chipstyxx]

Lostworld, I'm sure the Suri Cruise conspiracy is a whole other thread! I must admit I read some gossip sites :o they are the kind that poke fun at celebrities, not worship them though (in my defense;))
When Katie Holmes met tom Cruise she was a way different person, looks, dress sense, personality etc. She went from meeting Tom Cruise to being knocked up with his child and madly in love a matter of months. Many people at the time thought her pregnancy was strange. Again she was seen very little and when she was, her belly seemed a very strange shape. This was noticed by loads of people on various websites. It was rumoured that they covered up the real birth date of the kid by making her wear some kind of false pregnancy for a couple of months. Seriously it looks like a balloon up there!

http://www.gambling911.com/images/katiepregnant.jpg




When the child was finally seen she looked very big for her age. It has been theorised that Holme's previous boyfriend was in fact the father and Cruise wanted to cover this up....or more strangely that Katie was knocked up by Scientology founder Ron Hubbards frozen Xenu sperms!
I also heard that Cruise had a list of various young starlets to play the part of his wife and sign up to a contract that binds them for something like 10 years. Holmes was about 5th on the list, not even first choice. Those scientologists are a strange bunch. Both John Travolta and Cruise are rumoured to be gay and in 'contract' marriages. Katie Holmes really looks to be suffering for her paycheck! We may know for sure in another 8 years when Katie makes a break for freedom like Nicole did. Somehow I doubt the scientology nuts would let her write a tell all. She looks completely destroyed in recent photos :eek:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/21/article-0-02DD8D83000005DC-85_468x584.jpg

[lostworld]

^
Great info on Katie, Chipstyxx!
It's bizarre, alright :rolleyes:

What a strange pregnancy-pic! :eek:
No way that is real! It looks like she's expecting giant-triplets or something. Ron Hubbard as the father? Why not - it's crazy enough, lol.

I agree that Suri looks older than her official age.

I've also heard that every 10th year Cruise has an "audition" for the role of his wife. :D

Yes, I believe that he's gay too. Remember Mimi Rogers, his first wife who stated Tom's non-performance in bed as a reason for their split?
Also, in Top Gun many thought there was much more sexual chemistry between Cruise and his male co star Val Kilmer (Ice man) than
the chemistry between Cruise and his movie love interest Kelly McGillis. :D

This is fun, lol :D
Top Gun 2, Brokeback Squadron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd_-iEv5VDU&feature=related
Top Gun is gay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTk_C5wmsg&feature=related

Gossip is fun - in the right proportions of course! :)


btw - Katie Holmes is the only one who officially in media really is called a Stepford wife!

[lostworld]

More on Katie

Washington, Jan 19: Katie Holmes is so far under her hubby Tom Cruise's control that insiders are calling her a "Stepford Wife".

Tom has taken over almost every aspect of her life, even approving her clothing and friends,

"Tom doesn't want Katie wearing anything flashy - and nothing too revealing either," an insider told.

Others point out a dramatic change in Katie, from a free-spirited, independent person to a meek and submissive one, caught in Tom's world with few friends, no career and no way out. Insiders point out that Katie even limits her phone calls to 15 minutes. (ANI)

from here:
Has Katie Holmes turned into a 'Stepford Wife'?
http://news.sawf.org/Gossip/32349.aspx


also

Tom Cruise Reprogramming His Stepford Wife Katie Holmes
http://7confessions.blogspot.com/2008/05/tom-cruise-reprogramming-his-stepford.html


http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5411/11663946fj6.png

[chipstyxx]

This is fun, lol
Top Gun 2, Brokeback Squadron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd_-i...eature=related
Top Gun is gay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTk_...eature=related


Yep, it is fun :D Tom Cruise is very camp, even his stage name 'Cruise'! There were rumours that he enjoyed a bit of man on man wrestling a while back. I just find it amazing that people would sell their souls to live a 'celebrity' life. I wouldn't want to be trapped in lies all my life. It's really your own business wether you want people to know all the details of your private life but people like Cruise and Travolta promote a homophobic religion. Their kids are involved in this mess wether they like it or not. Travolta was snapped (without his ever faithful toupee, I might add) kissing a man on his private plane a few years ago, maybe he was just researching a part :rolleyes:

That's interesting stuff about the scientology bootcamp. I never heard that before. It seems like Scientology works the same way as the illuminati system. Very personal information is collected when these stars are audited so they can be blackmailed if they step out of line. I believe this is why Nicole Kidman never has a bad word to say about her former husband. She never sees their two adopted children but has no problem with this, she also reverted back to Catholicism after leaving Tom Cruise. I would love for Stepford Katie to rebel... but would she survive the wrath of Scientology? And who will get the job of Mrs cruise 2017?....Tune in next week :p

[lostworld]

I just find it amazing that people would sell their souls to live a 'celebrity' life. I wouldn't want to be trapped in lies all my life.
Couldn't agree with you more. :)


Travolta was snapped (without his ever faithful toupee, I might add) kissing a man on his private plane a few years ago, maybe he was just researching a part :rolleyes:
LOL!
Never heard of that before. Scandelous! :p

It seems like Scientology works the same way as the illuminati system. Very personal information is collected when these stars are audited so they can be blackmailed if they step out of line.
You have a good point there. Very interesting.

I would love for Stepford Katie to rebel... but would she survive the wrath of Scientology? And who will get the job of Mrs cruise 2017?....Tune in next week :p
LOL! :D

And with that very thrilling cliffhanger from Chipstyxx I would like to wish you all a
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
See you "on the other side" :)

[yeshua]

Tom Cruise Reprogramming His Stepford Wife Katie Holmes
http://7confessions.blogspot.com/2008/05/tom-cruise-reprogramming-his-stepford.html

:eek:

[lostworld]

Katie Holmes, the only "in the media official" Stepford wife


Before

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7193/fkatieholmes12464kt5.jpghttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/165/katieholmescx7.jpghttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3848/katieholmes1146iw7.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3696/katieholmessexyscientolud7.jpghttp://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5873/04katieholmeschriskleinsy8.jpg



After

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9362/katiefulllength3pd0.jpghttp://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1903/katieholmeshairnowcu0.jpghttp://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3109/khes7.png
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2449/293holmessuri070208lr9.jpghttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9046/katieholmes300lg1.jpg

[lostworld]

On Doppelgangers Sabrina wrote this in response to the Karen Mulder story:

I find the karen mulder story chilling. There's a suggestion here that they even breed these supermodels genetically.

They even talk about models as breeds and the new kinds of faces that are in fashion. Recently, it was the doll-like round child faces, like model lily cole..

Also makes me think of naomi and kate moss and all their different boyfriends (quote unquote) more like handlers. Kate moss's daughter is getting naturally traumitized as we speak, I've never seen a pic of that kid smiling with her druggie absent mother. God knows what she's witnessed or experienced.

It also explains their 'crazy' antics, imagine knowing the sick stuff all these elite people get up to and then be expected to act normal in everyday society, smiling in people's faces and selling the lie... Incredible.


My answer:

There's a suggestion here that they even breed these supermodels genetically.
Oh, I'm very sure they do.
Just like Sherlok and Artemis have pointed out the fact that so many Hollywood stars look alike, the same thing goes on in the modelling industry.
I haven't had the time to research this so much yet, but since I'm very interested in the fashion and modelling world I know quite a lot already.

The story about Karen shocked me already when it was new. She is one of my all time favourite models. The info that came out, her "addiction" etc just didn't match how she is as a person (in my opinion). I had no idea then though, what I know now about the illuminati, mindcontrol, mk-sex kittens etc.
So it's interesting, a few years later, that my first instinct was right. Something WAS very wrong.
Just the same as I know that my instinct was right regarding Sting, Paul and others. I'm certain it works the same way for all you others here too.

Since beauty and talent equals big money I think there must be some kind of DNA collecting/harvesting going on.
What has worked before can work again. Just like a movie sequel, lol.

Also makes me think of naomi and kate moss and all their different boyfriends (quote unquote) more like handlers.
And don't forget the first lady of France - Carla Bruni!
She's been passed around quite a lot...
These "boyfriends" could very much be handlers.
Or a "2 in 1" deal.
Artists/rockstars/models (sexslaves) and actors all date eachother - it's easier to control. The handlers are often older artists/stars, producers, photographers, managers or working behind the scenes in some other way.


Some models who may share DNA

Izabel Goulart and Alessandra Ambrosio
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2559/izabelalessandravspa5.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7115/izabelgoulartbs9.jpghttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1690/98314308gv8.png
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2977/aleer0.png



Adriana Lima and Miranda Kerr
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6434/adriana20lima15mb3.jpghttp://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8616/miranda20kerr204previewom4.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5439/72719664gx0.jpghttp://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5899/27783800zu1.png
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1584/57575691jd0.jpghttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5889/mirandakerr2edited1ef4.jpg

[lostworld]

^
More Adriana Lima / Miranda Kerr comparisons

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9305/57479903sh6.jpghttp://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9463/81011781xm0.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1261/81960951my4.jpghttp://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2239/postimage80423y5kerrmbgpq7.jpg

[lostworld]

Today I got an answer back from Sabrina on Doppelgangers:


http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2977/aleer0.png

They are posing together!! Aren't they curious why they look the same?! :eek:



http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1261/81960951my4.jpghttp://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2239/postimage80423y5kerrmbgpq7.jpg

^^ These two have to be sisters!! :confused:


I guess its just like Springmeier said, they take set of siblings or twins and raise them separately, even to different parents. Its sort of sad really. And who are the parents?

Are there captive, beautiful people locked in a dungeon somewhere just having babies for the illuminati? Actually forget I asked that, I think I know the answer :'(

Maybe that's what happened to Madeline McCann? She was handpicked to be a breeder for a big harvesting project.

[lostworld]

There must be something to this whole twin-concept.
Also, it actually makes perfect sense to re-use successfull DNA.

This part of the agenda is both fascinating and scary I think.

Well, I will keep on researching the fashion world - think there is a lot more where this came from.



Other examples, and now we may be looking at really classic, icon DNA being used to make new success-stories:

Swedish model Line Gost and Sophia Loren
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9407/sophialorenlinegostfu2.jpg


Line in Guess (as in guess who, lol.) commercial
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2548/modelolinegostposabryanlr5.jpg

Sophia
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7624/sophialorenphoto002ot5.jpg



Brigitte Bardot and German model Claudia Schiffer

Really - they could be twins! :eek:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1514/43a703df01323ed7i3nd4.jpg


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8932/brigittebardotbiographyyd0.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4954/claudiaschifferdb9.jpg


Claudia in Guess (yep, Guess again) commercial
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7311/claudiaschifferguessuj0.jpg



A classic icon of our days, Meryl Streep, may share DNA with upcoming star Natascha McElhone

Natascha is even called "the new Meryl Streep"!

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5936/81682014io5.jpghttp://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4720/nataschamcelhone002kt5.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

That's just weird and freaky. :eek:

[soulja]

the MK connections and symbolism shown in this thread are staggering, great work lostworld !

i'm not sold on the whole replacing celebs thing though. i don't doubt this has happend in the past and is still happening today, probably even more so due the technological advance nowadays. they sure have the know how and resources to do it.

but i'm sceptic about the scale of it and the point of it all.
these celebs are mind controlled from the birth onwards so what would be the point of replacing them ? the only reason i could think of would be them recovering memory, crack in the programming. but that could be fixed without having to replace them.

they have different alters/personalities wich imo is an possible explanation for them changing drasticly in short periods of time. infact i think most evidence for the replacing theory could also be explained by the study of MK.

like the differences in some of the photos, people who have worked with recovering MK victims have reported a slight change in their clients physical appearance when they switched alters.

[lostworld]

the MK connections and symbolism shown in this thread are staggering, great work lostworld !

i'm not sold on the whole replacing celebs thing though. i don't doubt this has happend in the past and is still happening today, probably even more so due the technological advance nowadays. they sure have the know how and resources to do it.

but i'm sceptic about the scale of it and the point of it all.
these celebs are mind controlled from the birth onwards so what would be the point of replacing them ? the only reason i could think of would be them recovering memory, crack in the programming. but that could be fixed without having to replace them.

they have different alters/personalities wich imo is an possible explanation for them changing drasticly in short periods of time. infact i think most evidence for the replacing theory could also be explained by the study of MK.

like the differences in some of the photos, people who have worked with recovering MK victims have reported a slight change in their clients physical appearance when they switched alters.

Thanks Soulja and welcome here! :)

I agree with you completly.

The mindcontrol is the big part of it all. It's really everywhere on the scene.
The replacement-concept is much smaller BUT a part of it.
It's all connected.

That's why this thread is so good - if I may say so myself - cause it has a range from "ordinary" Stepford-mindcontrol up to the most extreme cases (I hope :eek: ) with clones, syntethics and robotoids.
In between you have the MK sex kittens and the replacements/doubles.

i don't doubt this has happend in the past and is still happening today, probably even more so due the technological advance nowadays. they sure have the know how and resources to do it.
Yes, they do. That is what's so scary about it all. :eek:
People only compare to what they know is possible. The official version with the poor sheep Dolly etc. When reality is that they are probably even more than 50 years ahead than officially presented technology.
The first cloning of a human supposedly took place already in 1927! :eek:
(1st cloned human - Germany - 1927, USA - MIT - 1967)
from Stewart Swerdlow - History of Mind Control Part9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4txhZAgPzU
(thanks for posting this on Doppelgangers Faulcon!)

these celebs are mind controlled from the birth onwards so what would be the point of replacing them ? the only reason i could think of would be them recovering memory, crack in the programming. but that could be fixed without having to replace them.
Good question. I don't have a great answer I'm afraid...
What I DO know is the fact that so many young stars in the music-and enertainment industry are killed young. Often in "accidents" or "suicides". :rolleyes:
Something tells me there is more to it...

These young actors and musicians are really treated like disposables!
If they try to back out, break free or are being "difficult" in some other way - many are killed off. If not re-programmed in "rehab". :rolleyes:

Keep in mind that you can't re-program a human too many times though - the human body/mind will eventually collapse.
Look at Anna Nicole and Michael Jackson. In these cases they are killed off (Anna) or have their career destroyed and get ridiculed/discredited in the media (Michael Jackson).
This is how it works.

Somebody told me that the "one-hit-wonder" phenomenon may have something to do with the upcoming star refusing to conform to the system/to sell his soul and therefore is shut out from the industry (not necessarily killed though, mindcontrolled or threatened also works fine...).

I've also heard that not all people can be programmed (I hope that goes for people like us :) ) and that some are more difficult to program than others (it's suggested it can even have something to do with blood/race).
A good reason for a replacement to step in. Especially since people don't, or as I often think - can't (for some reason), tell the difference anyway!

infact i think most evidence for the replacing theory could also be explained by the study of MK.

like the differences in some of the photos, people who have worked with recovering MK victims have reported a slight change in their clients physical appearance when they switched alters.

It's so funny that you mention this. Or, maybe it's a sign.
Today, I've just been posting on this phenomena! Never have before!
On Doppelgangers Mia Farrow is being discussed as replaced. They say she might even have been replaced twice!
When I look at "Fia 1" (false Mia 1) I'm not that convinced though...

Was gonna save this post cause it didn't fit in here just now BUT since you brought it up Soulja I will be posting it right away. :)

[soulja]

lostworld, i won't be replying to every point you've made as i pretty much agree with everything you just said. so i save the time i'd spend on typing ''i agree'' and ''good point'' :D

one thing you pointed out made me think though, it's true that not everyone is suitable for MK (at least that total mindcontrol package) so yea that would be a good reason to replace someone. didn't think of that tbh.

[lostworld]

^
Mia Farrow is being discussed as a possible case of replacement over at Doppelgangers.
I'm leaning more towards mindcontrol though when it comes to "Fia 1" (false Mia 1). And let's just leave "Fia 2" out of this for now... :rolleyes:


Here is the discussion:


Originally posted by The Mask

It looks like Mia Farrow had at least 2 replacements.


Mia

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/DarkHorse1/mia2.jpg


Fia 1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/DarkHorse1/Fia1-1.jpg


Fia 2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/DarkHorse1/Fia2-1.jpg

Btw, it was VERY challenging trying to find real Mia pics on the internet.



Originally posted by Sherlok

Fia and Mia on the same magazine cover:
http://mia-farrow.com/tv_guide.jpg

Here are some more pics of the original (I think) Mia:
http://mia-farrow.com/tv_town.jpghttp://mia-farrow.com/tv_weekly.jpghttp://mia-farrow.com/Guns-of-Batasi-Mia-with-co-.jpg

[lostworld]

^
My comment on Mia Farrow, from Doppelgangers today
Part I

This cover also makes me think about mindcontrol:

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4973/tvguidesu2.jpg

Notice the split cover (split personality, a split mind).

The black and white colours (dark/evil + light/illuminati - to be illuminated, it also represents duality= several alters).
Other examples of black and white symbolism: chequered floors, chess-games, the mk-sex kittens dressed in black and white zebra clothing (see pics below!) etc. = VERY illuminati.

The white lower part of the cover with the real Mia forms a pyramid btw. ;)

The red TV-guide square (in mind control red represents sexually compliant alters and blood/reptile bloodline).

The short hair - in those days they couldn't go all the way and shave the girls head as we have seen now (Demi Moore, Natalie Portman, Britney).
Long hair means strength - so to lose your hair/cutting one's hair means lose of strength/losing your strength/losing control/losing yourself. Very ritual.

I'll always keep a door open for the mindcontrolling part since this is bigger than the replacement-agenda. Mindcontrol can change a person A LOT.
Making them trance-like (Just look at Fia 1's trance-like eyes. :eek: You don't see that stare in Mia.).
The spirit and the originality of the person is (forever) gone.

Also remember that every replacement most certainly is under heavy mindcontrol - they actually must believe that they are the person that they are replacing to be credible and not slip up.

IF Mia and Fia 1 still is the same person - I'm not saying that this is the case though - mindcontrol is most certainly behind the transformation.

[lostworld]

^
My comment on Mia Farrow, from Doppelgangers today
Part II

Some MK-zebra girls:

Model Adriana Lima, wearing black and white, walking the streets of New York (NY/Oz) (O follows N, Z follows Y) with her zebra!
Completly natural, right? :rolleyes:
This is from a Maybelline commercial.

Also notice the black and white duality concept in the pic with Adriana (white girl) and another model (black girl)!
Actually, Adriana has French, Portugese, Native-American, Caribbean heritage but would be described over all as "white".

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3016/75399455fz9.jpghttp://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3752/75398456ir2.jpghttp://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8346/75398530ei4.jpg


Adriana, now back on the runway (VS fashion show) - still wearing black and white and zebra though...
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6151/78175026jg8.jpg


Katie Holmes - short hair, Stepforded and in black and white.
Also notice how little Suri's destiny is sealed judging by the clothing only (already a MK sex kitten?)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9973/katieholmessuribfz6.jpg


Christina Aguilera - Stepforded Marilyn Monroe-alter in black and white.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3647/malindavschristinami8.jpg



Rothschild directing his imprisoned zebras :eek:
Lord Rothschild driving through London with his zebras.
The Rothschilds and their zebras/prisoners = the illuminati enslavement/Matrix prison of the people of the world.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9393/walterrothschildwithzebzj0.jpg

[yeshua]

Lostworld, this is just bizarre. Thanks for posting these photos. Adriana Lima and Miranda Kerr look almost identical. The only difference I see is their noses.

The Mia Farrow pictures are very convincing too. Mia and Fia 1 look pretty much the same, so if they are different people I can see how they pulled that one off. Fia 2 looks NOTHING like the other two women though. You know what's funny? I was watching a movie with Fia 2 and I had no idea that she was Mia Farrow until I came in this thread, saw your photos, and made the connection.

You're right about having a hard time finding pictures of the original celebs because I was reading about the Greta Garbo possibly being replaced In couldn't find any photos of her before the switch.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/21aiwjt.jpg

Also, someone asked why they would need to replace celebrities, well this was posted in the Garbo thread...

Greta Garbo was killed in the 40's because her bloodlust became too obvious - she was in a Vampire cult-, the big boss of MGM at the time "found" a replacement for her but the replacement never made the grade like the origional.

[yeshua]

Remember I mentioned Martin Lawrence? Well here's Dave Chappelle discussing Martin and the rest of Hollywood. I think he knows more than he's letting on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OniNubupbQ4&feature=channel

[yeshua]

More from Dave Chappelle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuTWEcRxSqs&feature=related

[ustane]

Could that photo of Saddam Hussein when he was captured and having his mouth probed and teeth looked at with his hair all dishevelled, be a double?

[armoured_amazon]

Could that photo of Saddam Hussein when he was captured and having his mouth probed and teeth looked at with his hair all dishevelled, be a double?

I'm fairly convinced it was.

The Many Faces of Saddam Hussein - http://www.anusha.com/saddams.htm

Did We 'Capture' Saddam - Or One Of His Doubles? - http://www.rense.com/general65/double.htm

WILL THE REAL 'SADDAM HUSSEIN' STAND UP? - http://www.apfn.org/Saddam-Hussein/real.htm

Was Saddam's Double Hanged? - http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=134&contentid=4116&page=1

[faulconandsnowjob]

Could that photo of Saddam Hussein when he was captured and having his mouth probed and teeth looked at with his hair all dishevelled, be a double?
Definitely! Here is some info I put on Doppelgaengers at
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=63

I believe double may have been mind-programmed into believing he really was Saddam Hussein so that under torture, he would not reveal anything to the contrary.

Saddam Hussein's body double hanged (starting at 2:08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffxiEmZiMVk

The Daily Heretic said:

“You didn’t think that guy is really Saddam, do you? He had dozens of doubles when he was governing to protect him from assassination. The teeth on this guy they have in custody are all wrong and the eyes are different distances apart. His own wife says it’s not him.”
http://www.cjr.org/blog_report/saddam_hussein_or_body_double.php?page=all&print=true

U.S. CAPTURED SADDAM'S DOUBLE

by Der Voron. [December 15, 2003]
[WeeklyUniverse.com] Let us analyze what has been reported by CNN and other sources, and some other known facts.

It is known that Saddam has several doubles.

Saddam was reportedly captured in a "hole", with minimum commodities.

I believe his subordinates could have created a little bunker for their commander, deep in the earth and with sufficient reserves of food and beverage, where he could hide and direct their guerrilla war. That the military found a hole instead of a bunker may mean the person found was not Saddam, but his double. If the U.S. military wants to think that their enemy is so silly and helpless, it's their right. It may be, however, that they know they captured Saddam's double, but intentionally claim it is Saddam, because such a news:

A) Inspires our troops and all of us Americans;
B) Shows our enemy in a very pitiful situation;
C) Allows to organize a military tribunal, since "Saddam" is captured.

Maybe the U.S. military has itself created a full double for Saddam? It is not as hard as may seem. Today's technologies allow many possibilites.

Finally, compare the behavior of captured dictators Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic. When Milosevic was arrested, he behaved quite adequately and no TV channel showed him like half an idiot. But Saddam, or "Saddam", said different unclever things, for example:

Q: "How are you?"
A: "I am sad because my people are in bondage"

(Offered a glass of water)

A: "If I drink water I will have to go to the bathroom, and how can I use the bathroom when my people are in bondage?"

Repetitive "bondage" makes think that the conversation is unnatural. Indeed, I am sad as my people are in bondage, and how can I drink if I will need to go thereafter to the bathroom (maybe restroom?), and how can I use the bathroom or restroom if my people are still in bondage?

Q: "If you had no weapons of mass destruction then why not let the U.N. inspectors into your facilities?"
A: "We didn't want them to go into the presidential areas and intrude on our privacy."

Yes. Saddam was disturbed about his presidential apartments, but
certainly not about military units where he allowed the inspectors into. Don't TV watchers and newspaper readers see that he is an idiot?

Did Milosevic say anything similar to this when he was arrested? Saddam was a dictator of Milosevic's level, or better to say, Milosevic was a dictator of Saddam's level.

It is either a Saddam double who was created by the US military and said all these answers to show the audience what an unclever person Saddam was and is -- or it is his own double whom Saddam himself arranged to be caught (please see about this version below). It resembles the "public relations" practice in some backward countries when a double of, say, a candidate to mayor or parliament's deputy (arranged by the candidate's rival) comes to you in person and says some very "clever" things; often such a "double" is drunk. Some people don't understand that a candidate to mayor or deputy just cannot come to inhabitants in person, moreover drunk, and get a very poor impression of this candidate.

I don't defend Saddam, but let us be unbiased. Our enemies cannot be as silly as we want them to be. For example, when shah Reza Pehlevi ruled Iran, you could think that it was 45,000 American military and other specialists that were the principal support to his regime. But the reality showed that things were absolutely contrary. When in 1979 Iranians insurged against Reza Pehlevi, 45,000 Americans couldn't do anything to help his regime. Evidently, it was the regime and its security service "SAVAC" who made American presence in Iran possible, and not American specialists who made the regime's presence possible in Iran.

It may also be that it is Saddam's own double (not made up by US military), who was captured, and he maybe intentionally responds so silly, for Saddam his boss. An old rule of war says:

1) If you are weak then show that you are strong;
2) If you are strong then show that you are weak;
3) If you a-far then show that you are close;
4) If you close then show that you are a-far; etc.

Continuing this row of strategems, we can compose the 5th one:

5) If you have something on mind then show that you don't;
6) If you have nothing on mind then show that you do.

Because of this, I dare to believe it is somewhat more probable that it was Saddam's own double whom we got in a not very deep hole with a minimum of commodities.

... "But the photographs seem to show a real Saddam". Why not to have an expert determine this?

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/consp/saddam.htm

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/consp/saddam.htm

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~vmjohnso/WarIraqWebsite/pics/saddam-hussein.jpghttp://imemc.org/attachments/saddam_hussein.jpg

http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/international/Mideast/Iraq/saddam_hussein_GI.jpg

http://www.geographie-sociale.org/blog/dotclear/images/saddam_hussein220.jpghttp://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/saddam_hussein_hanging_video_suicide_001.jpg

From DEMOCRACY NOW>>Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions

at http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=737

"JOHN PERKINS: ... And, so, we went to Saudi Arabia in the early seventies. We knew Saudi Arabia was the key to dropping our dependency, or to controlling the situation. And we worked out this deal whereby the Royal House of Saud agreed to send most of their petro-dollars back to the United States and invest them in U.S. government securities. The Treasury Department would use the interest from these securities to hire U.S. companies to build Saudi Arabia—new cities, new infrastructure—which we’ve done. And the House of Saud would agree to maintain the price of oil within acceptable limits to us, which they’ve done all of these years, and we would agree to keep the House of Saud in power as long as they did this, which we’ve done, which is one of the reasons we went to war with Iraq in the first place. And in Iraq we tried to implement the same policy that was so successful in Saudi Arabia, but Saddam Hussein didn’t buy. When the economic hit men fail in this scenario, the next step is what we call the jackals. Jackals are C.I.A.-sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or revolution. If that doesn’t work, they perform assassinations. or try to. In the case of Iraq, they weren’t able to get through to Saddam Hussein. He had—His bodyguards were too good. He had doubles. They couldn’t get through to him. So the third line of defense, if the economic hit men and the jackals fail, the next line of defense is our young men and women, who are sent in to die and kill, which is what we’ve obviously done in Iraq."

From http://www.rense.com/general74/double.htm:

* Saddam's Wife (of 25 years), angrily said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles

* Saddam's Mistress said the Prisoner was NOT Saddam, but one of his doubles

* Saddam had even, pristine teeth, the Saddam double's teeth were/are uneven and ragged

EX-MISTRESS SAYS IT WAS A DOUBLE

ABC News, March 21, 2003 - Excerpts only...

Parisoula Lampsos, who says she was Saddam's mistress over a period of nearly 30 years, told U.S. officials and ABCNEWS that the man who appeared on TV was not Saddam.

For starters, she said, the real Saddam has an unusual tattoo: two dots on his left hand that he received in prison years ago. But his eyes are the real giveaway, she said.

Mrs Saddam says Saddam is not Saddam
Joe Vialls | June 18 2004

Sajida Heiralla Tuffah, after the Russians demanded she be allowed to visit her imprisoned husband Saddam in Qatar:

"Sajida arrived from Syria with her official escort Sheikh Hamad Al-Tani, and then entered the prison, emerging only moments later pink with rage and shouting, "This is not my husband but his double. Where is my husband? Take me to my husband".

American officials rushed forward to shield Mrs Saddam from perplexed Russian observers, trying to insist that Saddam had changed a lot while in custody and she probably didn't recognise him. This was certainly not the best way to handle the Iraqi President's wife. "You think I do not know my husband?" Sajida shouted furiously, "I was married to the man for more than twenty-five years!" Then she stormed off, never to return."

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804sadd**notsaddam.htm

Real Saddam
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/saddam_03.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/saddam_imag3.jpg

Faddam
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/saddam-captured_centcom_12-14-03.jpg

from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam-pics.htm

[armoured_amazon]

It's sad to think that a double was hanged; then again, I'm against capital punishment, regardless of crime. :(

[faulconandsnowjob]

It's sad to think that a double was hanged; then again, I'm against capital punishment, regardless of crime.
Me too! The judicial system is not infallible, & innocent people get executed. I am not comfortable w/ the state having power over life & death like that. And anyway, it just seems hypocritical to say it's wrong to kill, so we're going to kill you for killing.

[lostworld]

Sorry guys, I've been a bit pre-occupied.
This thread (my baby, lol!) is really my priority though.

And Yeshua - I have some good posts I'm gonna post on your thread asap.
I think you will like it. :)

Take care all and keep up the good work!

Love,
Lostworld

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Get back to work! *cracks whip* :D

[lostworld]

^
ALRIGHT - I WILL! LOL :D

You too! Get outta here! You have work to do here as usual:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30378&page=22

For you guys who might not know: Faulcon is THE girl to go to regarding PID (Paul is dead). She's doing a great job over there!
Might also be a mindopener for you who wanna explore the replacement-agenda some more. After all, it's with PID it started for most and it's also the story that's been getting most media attention and exposure over the years.

It is shocking, scary and sad all at the same time!

:)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Aw, shucks :-P That is very kind of you, but there are people who know a lot more about PID than I do. I just like looking at pics of Paul - hee :-P But as far as being a mind-opener, that is def true!

[lostworld]

^
Aw, shucks :-P That is very kind of you, but there are people who know a lot more about PID than I do. I just like looking at pics of Paul - hee :-P But as far as being a mind-opener, that is def true!

Faulcon - don't go all modest here...
It doesn't become you, LOL :D

[grachtengordel]

John Lennon comes to mind. He was hounded into submission by the FBI, then when he was coming out again, he was assassinated. Of course, it's possible that they weren't able to stepford him, & that's why they took him out.

They took him out because he had exeeded his usefulness to them. Lennon was an agent, his job was to keep you in the box. He did his work for his masters, fronted thier psy-op for them, then they got rid of him. Beetles were just more mind control, set to bland, bland musichall and benji brittan melodies

[yeshua]

The song "Imagine" sounds like a NWO anthem.

I think John Lennon addressed mind control and other issues towards the end of his life though. I don't think he was completely under control after The Beatles - I could be wrong though. Two of my favorite songs were "Mind Games" and "Working Class Hero".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU&feature=related

[armoured_amazon]

I think he was under Yoko's control. He made waves, he got taken out.

[armoured_amazon]

This is Jessica Simpson?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/01/0104_jessica_simpson_romo.jpg
http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/04/what-is-tony-romo-thinking/#comments

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think they def tried to control John Lennon, but were not successful, ultimately. He returned his MBE, which to me was a big "screw you" to TPTB. It seems like the FBI was able to subdue him for a while, but when he was coming back out, the killed him. His assassination, to me, is the big sign that they'd lost control of him. A public assassination was probably chosen as a message for any others who might consider stepping out of line. This is all speculation, of course, but it fits, imo.

"Imagine" describes an awesome world I'd much prefer to this one! I think it's not what TPTB would want at all.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky

Imagine all the people
Living for today... I...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Yo-o-o-u,
You may say Im a dreamer
But Im not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

Yo-o-o-u,
You may say Im a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/lyrics/imagine.html

TPTB control people thru religion, materialism, nationalism, etc. If those things didn't exist, we'd be free or freer. It's also a very spiritually enlightened song, but I won't go into that now :-)

[lostworld]

On Doppelgangers Lucy posted this regarding my model-comparisons:

"Wow, I've never seen some of those people before and the comparisons are striking!

I can see how the cloning with models can come. You get one icon that hits it big and then you get ones they try to find that look like those icons and cash in on the image of the original.

Now this may not be as extreme as the pictures shown, but in America's Next Top Model, Tyra Banks supposedly searches far and wide for young women to strike it in modeling. They narrow the finalists to about 12 or so and they compete each week and the one with the weakest pictures get sent home.

Well, the point of this if you have ever watched from season to season, about the second or third episode these girls get a "makeover". You always see one that has little or no hair, a very short Mia Farrow hairstyle, in fact Banks refers to the short red hair as the Mia Farrow look. So basically, each season it seems they are manufacturing models with the same features or similar looks with hair and makeup. Maybe this is a type of model search to find possible look a likes."




My answer:

About Tyra Banks/Top model:
This show is getting just more and more bizarre for each season.
There was particularly one episode that absolutely just disgussed me:
For one photo shoot, the models were taken to the meatpacking district, where they had to wear bikinis made of raw meat!

I just waited for at least SOMEONE to object - but no one said anything. Hard to believe that NO ONE out of 8-10 girls (I think there were quite many girls still left in the show in that episode) would have a problem with this from an ethical point of view? :confused:

So, having to cut your hair causes hysteria among these girls but wearing raw meat is ok? :rolleyes:


That whole segment just felt so forced and "in our faces"-provocative in such an evil way.
I got a very bad and sickening feeling after watching this actually. Even those of you who are not vegetarian must understand what's so offensive about this... :(
You just have no respect for life at all when you're playing with someone's remains - no matter if it's animal or human!

Now Tyra knows that PETA will be there immediately to bash her for it. I don't remember her even being pro-fur in that show before - WHY even go further and wear raw meat then? :confused:

To me, they could just as well have been wearing chopped up human body parts. No difference. And it looked no different either...

This whole episode felt very occult, and very MK/illuminati. Just sick!

Oh, and Twiggy (ex supermodel herself), who is a known avid supporter of animal rights, had just left the show prior to this. Did she know what was planned for next season and left the show because of it? It could very much be the case.


Pics from evil Top Model

One-eyed Tyra pushing for raw/bloody meat.
Also notice the red background (blood/bloodline)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5830/tyraantmai8.jpg



Kittens wearing blood in the slaughterhouse
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6302/66dqfkne0.jpghttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/623/23316314681a3766d51dpe1.jpg

[lostworld]

^
More on Top Model

Another "great" theme: Murdered kittens crime scenes. From season 8
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3131/28562237ij3.jpghttp://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6092/28562498mh2.jpghttp://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1720/28562521sh4.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/911/28562559zw3.jpghttp://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5641/28562495id5.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6707/28562239ow8.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Sick. Associates sex w/ cruelty, violence & death, & objectifies women - implies we are pieces of meat. At least, that's how I read it.

[lostworld]

^ Sick. Associates sex w/ cruelty, violence & death, & objectifies women - implies we are pieces of meat. At least, that's how I read it.

Me too! :mad:

It's really disturbing... Especially when you look at it "out of context" like this.

[forza nascosta]

Me too! :mad:

It's really disturbing... Especially when you look at it "out of context" now like this.

Even in context this is disturbing but I get your point. I think this thread is great. Is there a clearly laid out website of all these observations?

[faulconandsnowjob]

Hi, forza nascosta!

Is there a clearly laid out website of all these observations?
Not that I'm aware of. I think this is Lostworld's research. There are some threads at Doppelgaengers
(http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general) that talk about this stuff more. :)

[lostworld]

Even in context this is disturbing but I get your point. I think this thread is great. Is there a clearly laid out website of all these observations?

Thank you so much :o and welcome! :)

No, there is not a website yet.
If there ever will be one you will be the first to know and I will also post info on it here of course. :)

This is were I will concentrate my work for now.
However - to spread the word as much as possible I also post the same things on here: (my username is the same everywhere so you will find my posts easily)

Doppelgangers
http://doppels.proboards99.com/


PID (Paul is dead)
http://only1rad.proboards62.com/


My own blog on PID: Club Lostworld
http://only1rad.proboards62.com/index.cgi?board=aloha&action=display&thread=1078&page=17


I can recommend you a great blog if you are more into this subject:
http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/

Take care now and thanks again! :)

[lostworld]

Artemis wrote this to me on Doppelgangers:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=67&page=2

"I never believed that JACKO pedophile thing one second. And, I repeat, if that persons is the real JACKO. Even if smth happened between him and those kids, it wasnt that bad as TPTB want us to believe. And dont forget the rumours (mabe true after all) that he also did surgeries to his face in order to look like DIANA ROSS, with whom he was in love. I dont deny theres much truth in DIRTY DIANA wonderful song..



My answer:

Who would know really if it's the real Michael we see today or not? He looks nothing like he did when he started.
All that plastic surgery etc.

IF MJ was replaced, then I'm sure this crazy-looking version of MJ that we've seen for so long is just a way to dicredit MJ's persona and legacy even more.

I probably sound like MJ's biggest fan. I'm not. But I do think that he's been treated very badly and with no respect. He has been bullied too long and it's not funny. :(

I've also heard that about Diana Ross. I don't know what to think.
Since MJ seems to have had the same cat-programming as other MK sex-kittens he might identify himself with a more feminine appearance because of it, so that might also be an explanation for it.
See MJ the cat here:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=54&page=1

From his "Panther Dance": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB0o0WCnt-I
Morphing from panther to human and back again!


MK sex-kitten Michael Jackson wearing black and white
(dark/evil + light/illuminati - to be illuminated, it also represents duality= several alters) and posing with a tigercat/kitten
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3354/jackson01xq0aj2.jpg



Also - MJ dated Brooke Shields for some time and they have remained friends throughout the years.
In my opinion, Brooke was the love of his life more than Diana Ross. I think Brooke's pure beauty, kindness and innocence is what he really liked about her. The feelings for Diana Ross I think was more of a young boy's crush for an unobtainable mother-figure... But what do I know?

If you look more closely to what MJ is trying to achieve with his operations, for instance a strong chin and a small nose AND don't forget the whitening/bleaching of the skin (no way this is "vitiligo"!) - that is much more Brooke and Brooke's facial features than Dianas! :eek:
Maybe MJ became obsessed with Brooke's beauty?

So, MJ is now looking more feminine and Brooke/Frooke often nowdays look verly manly. What's up with that really... :confused:

And is "Dirty Diana" about Diana Ross?
I thought the rumour was that it was about Princess Diana? ???
Oh, now I'm just gossiping...


Brooke Shields and Michael Jackson

1981
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9783/brookeandmichaelgn3.png

1984
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5865/82183061qc4.jpghttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3255/81642019jb9.jpg




Frooke and Fichael? Or Frooke/Brooke with a "Brooke-beauty-obsessed" Michael?

1993
Almost 10 years later and not so cosy anymore.
Brooke/Frooke looks VERY uncomfortable!

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7660/82183055rm3.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8181/80186838ox3.jpghttp://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1325/77388670kk1.jpg

[lostworld]

^
Artemis wrote me back on Doppelgangers:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=67&page=2


"There are rumours JACKO died somewhere at the end of the 80's (this I found it out also from the internet). Anything is possible, remember that. Fact is after BAD, his success was moderate, he never achieved the glory as he did in the past. U could be rite, lostworld, about his "brookshielding", but as well his transformation into a white person mite have very well be induced by mind control on the same purpose, to discredit him."


My answer:


I know :)

I do think he is completly innocent though.

"Brookeshielding", that was funny, lol :D

And I'm absolutely not stating anything for a fact.
I keep two doors open here:

1) mindcontrolled / discredited and ridiculed + "Brookeshielding"

2) replaced / discredited and ridiculed to disgrace the MJ legacy (even more so with a crazy looking imposter!)


Oh, and Artemis - do you have any links to some MID-pages?
(She later posted me that she didn't.)



______ Michael "Brookeshielding" ________________ Brooke Shields (or possibly Frooke = false Brooke) ____ the real Brooke Shields in the 80's _____

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2045/michaeljacksonhh8.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3710/orig50468zr0ar3.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3641/19806546465404wd2xg3.jpg

Big eyes, small nose, a strong square chin - Michael even got himself the same dimple on the chin as Brooke has! :eek:

Is the real secret behind Michael Jackson's many plastic surgery operations and
changes in appearance - a neverending love/obsession for Brooke Shields?

Brooke in the 80's - notice her upturned little nose and her strong chin with dimple on it.
Nowdays Brooke/Frooke has a much straighter nose. If this is because of plastic surgery or because she was perhaps replaced, well that's another story.

Beautiful Brooke in the 80's
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4540/brookebajbobb9hg0.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Maybe MJ was another celeb who stepped out of line...? I don't believe the pedophile stories, either. Doesn't he live in Dubai now? Anyway, Lostworld, you posted the lyrics to this song on PID Miss Him:

Skin head, dead head.
Everybody gone bad.
Situation, speculation.
Everybody, litigation.
Beat me, bash me.
You can never trash me.
Hit me, kick me.
You can never get me.

Beat me, hate me.
You can never break me.
Will me, thrill me.
You can never kill me.
Jew me, Sue me.
Everybody do me.
Kick me, kike me.
Don't you black or white me.

from Michael Jackson's
"They don't care about us"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU

I can't help but think he pissed somebody off w/ lyrics like that.

[element]

Disturbing pictures, those in blood..;)

MJ looks too much like a woman, he should get some operations and become one maybe?:confused: I think it's too late to look like a man again.
And I don't believe the peadophile stories either, it's all about money.

[faulconandsnowjob]

And I don't believe the peadophile stories either, it's all about money.
Or to discredit him, drive him out of the country, or just force him to step in line.

[lostworld]

Maybe MJ was another celeb who stepped out of line...? I don't believe the pedophile stories, either. Doesn't he live in Dubai now? Anyway, Lostworld, you posted the lyrics to this song on PID Miss Him:

Skin head, dead head.
Everybody gone bad.
Situation, speculation.
Everybody, litigation.
Beat me, bash me.
You can never trash me.
Hit me, kick me.
You can never get me.

Beat me, hate me.
You can never break me.
Will me, thrill me.
You can never kill me.
Jew me, Sue me.
Everybody do me.
Kick me, kike me.
Don't you black or white me.

from Michael Jackson's
"They don't care about us"


I can't help but think he pissed somebody off w/ lyrics like that.


Thanks for reminding me Faulcon!

I missed one step in my story on Michael Jackson.
A rather important one too it seems.

I'm sorry for being sloppy.
I really get too little sleep nowdays, staying up researching all night... :)

I can't help but think he pissed somebody off w/ lyrics like that

Oh, I think the problem is that THEY had already pissed HIM off!
These lyrics are he's angry response for years of being abused, ridiculed and controlled... :cool:




From my earlier post on PID:

Michael Jackson is another very tragic victim of mindcontrol.
As almost the whole Jackson family.

He's been fighting the illuminati for years and that's why he's being ridiculed and accused of being a pedophile etc.

He was so talented, he was one of the greatest stars ever and now he's just a joke to everybody.
They did it to discredit him I'm sure. MJ is not a pedophile.
In fact, if anything, I think he's asexual and trapped in a, for him, safe child-alter.

There are clues in MJ's lyrics. I haven't had the time yet to do more research on it though.

Yes, MJ had much MK and illuminati symbolism etc on earlier albums BUT as he started to break free from his masters in the early 90's (same time as the media-deconstruction of the megastar MJ started) it's a whole different game.
The symbolism, if there, is more like a clue for us truthseekers.

Also, you don't get lyrics like these from Madonna, Britney and the rest cause they are still very much within the system:

Skin head, dead head.
Everybody gone bad.
Situation, speculation.
Everybody, litigation.
Beat me, bash me.
You can never trash me.
Hit me, kick me.
You can never get me.

Beat me, hate me.
You can never break me.
Will me, thrill me.
You can never kill me.
Jew me, Sue me.
Everybody do me.
Kick me, kike me.
Don't you black or white me.

from Michael Jackson's
"They don't care about us"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU

If you think what happened to his appearance is :eek: - just think of what goes on inside the person! MJ is such a blatant victim of mindcontrol.
Now he's fighting back and "they" hate him for it.
That is my opinion.


Example:
I actually believe that the cover for "Blood on the dancefloor" is a clue for us truthseekers more than real (evil) symbolism as in many other artists work.
He's telling us that there is "blood" = something bad, evil and shady (the illuminati bloodlines!) with the dance (the chequered/the black and white/duality/several alters/ mindcontrol) floor aka the musicindustry!

The word "dance" or "dancer" may actually have a very symbolic meaning and work as a trigger in mindcontrol...
Check out Yeshua's posts about this in his great thread here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44008

MJ's red coloured suit? In mind control red represents sexually compliant alters and blood... :rolleyes:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3552/b000002bvn01sclzzzzzzzfj8.jpg

[lostworld]

Disturbing pictures, those in blood..;)

MJ looks too much like a woman, he should get some operations and become one maybe?:confused: I think it's too late to look like a man again.
And I don't believe the peadophile stories either, it's all about money.

I find my "Brookeshielding"-theory as a very good explanation for Michael's need to have all these plastic surgeries done. They may also have added Brooke and Brooke's beauty somehow into his programming... :eek:


I still find this comparison rather shocking:

_____________ Michael "Brookeshielding" ________________ Brooke Shields (or possibly Frooke = false Brooke) ____

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2045/michaeljacksonhh8.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3710/orig50468zr0ar3.jpg

Big eyes, small nose, a strong square chin - Michael even got himself the same dimple on the chin as Brooke has! :eek:

Is the real secret behind Michael Jackson's many plastic surgery operations and
changes in appearance - a neverending love/obsession for Brooke Shields?

Brooke in the 80's - notice her upturned little nose and her strong chin with dimple on it.
Nowdays Brooke/Frooke has a much straighter nose. If this is because of plastic surgery or because she was perhaps replaced, well that's another story.

Beautiful Brooke in the 80's
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4540/brookebajbobb9hg0.jpg

[lostworld]

Beatlies posted this on PID, about Michael Jackson:

"Whoever actually wrote those "kike me" "Jew me" lyrics, I mean whatever of "Michael's" CIA scriptwriters, is/are Nazis, pure evil and the lowest form of scum."


My answer:
It IS a controversial song and I def don't mean to offend anyone by posting the lyrics here etc.
Michael Jackson is himself (as with many of his songs) the only stated (official) writer of the song.

From Wikipedia:
"They Don't Care About Us" is the fourth single from Michael Jackson's album HIStory. The song remains one of the most controversial pieces Jackson ever composed, in the US, media scrutiny surrounding alleged antisemitic lyrics were the catalyst for Jackson issuing multiple apologies and re-recording the album–altering the lyrics for that particular track.The singer countered allegations of antisemitism, arguing that reviews had misinterpreted the context of the song, either unintentionally or deliberately. Musically, it is an aggressive hip-hop production about social ills.


The second video was shoot in a prison
(mental prison/zebra-mindcontrol - black and white/duality/different alters? My comment.)
and contained video footage of multiple human rights abuses (mindcontrol def is human abuse! My comment.)

Again:
The singer countered allegations of antisemitism, arguing that reviews had misinterpreted the context of the song,
either unintentionally or deliberately.

Well, of course they would misinterpret him intentionally... What else? :rolleyes:

From Wikipedia:
The possibility that the lyrics to "They Don't Care About Us" preached antisemitism was first raised publicly by The New York Times on June 15, just days before the albums release. The publication highlighted the lyrics, "Jew me, sue me, everybody do me/ Kick me, kike me, don't you black or white me" and labeled them "slurs".[1] Jackson responded directly to the publication, stating, "The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading.
The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked.
I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them. I am angry and outraged that I could be so misinterpreted".[1] When questioned further about the lyrics on the ABC News program Prime Time Live, Jackson denied that "They Don't Care About Us" was anti-Semitic, stating, "It's not anti-Semitic because I'm not a racist person...I could never be a racist. I love all races".[1]
The singer also noted that some of his closest employees and friends were Jewish.
(Aha! - people who practises mindcontrol on him? My comment.) :eek:


The following day, two leading members of the Jewish community stated that Jackson's attempt to make a song critical of discrimination had backfired. They expressed the opinion that the lyrics used were unsuitable for a teenage audience that might not understand the songs context, adding that the song was too ambiguous for some listeners to understand. They accepted that Jackson meant well and suggested that the entertainer write an explanation in the album booklet

Just to be really clear - I don't at all support an antisemetic-agenda!
But as we all probably know - when researching on these topics that we're talking about here - jews are often mentioned as behind the NWO etc.
See here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/is_new_world_order_jewish.htm

and here

"Anti-Semitic New World Order" theory
Alice A. Bailey, a one time Theosophist who formed her own group, the Arcane School, in 1923, predicted in 1940 the victory of the Allies of World War II over the Axis and the establishment afterward by the Allies of a "New World Order" — regarded by her (as by H.G. Wells) — as a benevolent conspiracy by political progressives that would bring humanity to a higher level of civilization.[40] However, in 1997, Rabbi Yonassan Gershom, in an article titled "Anti-Semitic Stereotypes in Alice Bailey's Writings," pointed out that Bailey's "Plan for the New World Order" called for "the gradual dissolution - again if in any way possible - of the Orthodox Jewish faith," which, he said, indicated that "her goal is nothing less than the destruction of Judaism itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

and here

Supporters of this theory claim that certain people are part of the conspiracy. Most prominent families such as the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bush family,[16] the Morgans, Warburgs and Du Ponts, and the Saudi Royal Family are claimed to be important members. Some modern Popes and Roman Catholic Church hierarchy are also said to play a role and have used the phrase New World Order in their speeches: John XXIII,[18] Paul VI,[19] John Paul I,[20][21] John Paul II,[22] and Benedict XVI.[23]

Supporters of this theory claim that many international organizations such as the World Bank, the IMF, the European Union, the United Nations, and NATO are core NWO organizations. Presidents and prime ministers of nations are also included in the theory. An alternative version of the New World Order theory states that these families and persons are all related through 13 bloodlines.

These theories draw from Freemasonic and Illuminati scares of the 18th and 19th centuries in the United States and anti-Semitic myths spread through the supposed document, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Modern scholarship has discredited this "document" as a forgery and, moreover, a plagiarism. However, a few adherents to these theories believe the "Jews" mentioned in the document are a front for the New World Order conspirators, not the demonstrated practitioners of a legitimate religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)


IF there is a (not so) hidden meaning/doublemeaning to the song I think that this is MJ firing back at his then - supposedly - jewish handlers and managers.

I hope you all understand what I mean. Really, I don't wanna offend anyone.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Jew me, Sue me.
Everybody do me.
Kick me, kike me.
Don't you black or white me.

I agree there was *some* reason MJ would say that. Aren't the Zionists pretty powerful Illuminati?

[lostworld]

I agree there was *some* reason MJ would say that. Aren't the Zionists pretty powerful Illuminati?



The History of the
House of Rothschild
by Andrew Hitchcock

Definition of Zionism: an organization of Jews whose goal is to create a nation for Jews.

Definition of Judaism: Jews collectively who practice a religion based on the Torah and the Talmud.

The Rothschilds have been in control of the world for a very long time, their tentacles reaching into many aspects of our daily lives, as is documented in the following timeline.

.................................................. ..........................................

The most wealthy bloodline in the world bar none and the leader of the Ashkenazi Jews in the world today is the Rothschild family. As you will see in the timeline, the Rothschilds have obtained this position through lies, manipulation and murder. Their bloodline also extends into the Royal Families of Europe, and the following family names: Astor; Bundy; Collins; duPont; Freeman; Kennedy; Morgan; Oppenheimer; Rockefeller; Sassoon; Schiff; Taft; and Van Duyn.

.................................................. ..........................................


1776: Adam Weishaupt officially completes his organisation of the Illuminati on May 1 of this year. The purpose of the Illuminati is to divide the goyim (all non-Jews) through political, economic, social, and religious means. The opposing sides were to be armed and incidents were to be provided in order for them to: fight amongst themselves; destroy national governments; destroy religious institutions; and eventually destroy each other.

Weishaupt soon infiltrates the Continental Order of Freemasons with this Illuminati doctrine and establishes lodges of the Grand Orient to be their secret headquarters. This was all under the orders and finance of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and the concept has spread and is followed within Masonic Lodges worldwide to the present day.

Weishaupt also recruits 2,000 paid followers including the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, science, finance,and industry. They were instructed to follow the following methods in order to control people:

1) Use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of men already in high places, in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavour. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and fiscal harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families.

2) The faculties of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in internationalism, or rather the notion that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strife. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminati.

3) All influential people trapped into coming under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. This was so they would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would in the long-run serve the secret plans of the Illuminati one-world conspiracy and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve.

4) To obtain absolute-control of the press, at that time the only mass-communications media which distributed information to the public, so that all news and information could be slanted in order to make the masses believe that a one-world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems.

.................................................. ................................

1871: An American General named, Albert Pike, who had been enticed into the Illuminati by Guissepe Mazzini, completes his military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world, culminating into moving this great conspiracy into its final stage.

The first world war is to be fought for the purpose of destroying the Tsar in Russia,as promised by Nathan Mayer Rothschild in 1815. The Tsar is to be replaced with communism which is to be used to attack religions, predominantly Christianity. The differences between the British and German empires are to be used to forment this war.

The second world war is to be used to forment the controversy between facism and political zionism with the slaughter of Jews in Germany a lynchpin in bringing hatred against the German people. This is designed to destroy fascism (which the Rothschilds created) and increase the power of political zionism. This war is also designed to increase the power of communism to the level that it equalled that of united Christendom.

The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion.

from here:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-rothschild-timeline.html

[2013]

Very interesting thread guys well done , first one ive read thru for a while :D

[faulconandsnowjob]

The people on this thread are so much more on the ball than the people on the PID threads. It gets really tedious dealing w/ some of them :o

[lostworld]

Very interesting thread guys well done , first one ive read thru for a while :D

Thanks!
I feel very honored since I consider it my "baby" and try to keep a good quality on the posts here :)

[soulja]

regarding the whole Jacko discussion you had going whether he's really a pedo or it was a set up/punishment because he didn't act/do as the PTB wanted him to.

i believe it's not either this or that but a mix of both.

let me explain, i'm pretty sure Jacko is MK'd, wich means he has many different personalities/alters. some will be good and some will be evil.

the handlers create opposites for various reasons, dark alters are used to participate in rituals and generally go along with the agenda, also and that's one of the main reasons for blackmail purposes. if someone breaks, or even only starts to rebel they are quickly reminded via tapes/pictures of whatever dark stuff they were involved in (one alter anyway) to rethink their actions.

so when jacko steps infront of the cameras all wet eyed and assures everyone that he never touched that kid then he is both, right and wrong.
one alter did the others didn't, keep in mind that one alter will not be aware of things that happend during the time another alter was activated.

i know it sounds crazy but such is the nature of mind control.

[miranda]

Hey

Just to say: I've noticed recently that soo many famous actors, etc, are starting to look like each other. I'm so glad I saw this thread. I should write down the lookalikes - I notice it, then forget it.

The most obvious one for me is the Kelsey Grammar/Bob Hope one. And I think Anne Hathaway is v v similar to Julia Roberts - I really thought they would turn out to be related, but apparantly not.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Soulja, that's a good point about MJ - that an alternate personality could've been involved in dark stuff, while his dominant personality wasn't.

Miranda, you might be interested in checking out this thread:
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=60

Lots of talk about how the celebs are starting to look alike - maybe possible clones of successful DNA.

Other look-a-likes are discussed here: http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general

I'm not sure anyone has talked about Bob Hope/Kelsey Grammar or Julia Roberts/Anne Hathaway. Could you post some pics to show us what you mean? Thanks :)

[lostworld]

regarding the whole Jacko discussion you had going whether he's really a pedo or it was a set up/punishment because he didn't act/do as the PTB wanted him to.

i believe it's not either this or that but a mix of both.

let me explain, i'm pretty sure Jacko is MK'd, wich means he has many different personalities/alters. some will be good and some will be evil.

the handlers create opposites for various reasons, dark alters are used to participate in rituals and generally go along with the agenda, also and that's one of the main reasons for blackmail purposes. if someone breaks, or even only starts to rebel they are quickly reminded via tapes/pictures of whatever dark stuff they were involved in (one alter anyway) to rethink their actions.

so when jacko steps infront of the cameras all wet eyed and assures everyone that he never touched that kid then he is both, right and wrong.
one alter did the others didn't, keep in mind that one alter will not be aware of things that happend during the time another alter was activated.

i know it sounds crazy but such is the nature of mind control.


Excellent point, Soulja! :)

It makes perfect sense.

The "official" MJ is not a pedophile to me...

It's so grotesque that they will create a "pedophile-alter" just to turn it against him to discredit him (if this alter is not used for other purposes to, that is).
But, it's how they do it. It, sadly, really is this sick... :mad:

I didn't think of this, so again - thanks for that alternative story on MJ. :)

[kiwimaj]

What about these two?

http://geldtips.nl.msn.com/afbeeldingen/1658.jpg

..and from this...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g224/crubens/Farrah_Fawcett.jpg

..to this

http://www.quirkcollective.com/images/Farrah_FawcettPresentDAy.jpg



..from this
http://www.hairstyles123.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/jennifer_aniston_hairstyle_6.jpg

..to these..

Is it just me or do others sense she is somehow, soul less and not quite there..?

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/jjetao/Aniston/rolling002.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/jennifer-aniston/pictures/jennifer-aniston-picture-1.jpg

[lostworld]

Hey

Just to say: I've noticed recently that soo many famous actors, etc, are starting to look like each other. I'm so glad I saw this thread. I should write down the lookalikes - I notice it, then forget it.

The most obvious one for me is the Kelsey Grammar/Bob Hope one. And I think Anne Hathaway is v v similar to Julia Roberts - I really thought they would turn out to be related, but apparantly not.

Good observations Miranda!
And welcome here :)

I hope you've checked previous posts in this thread for some :eek: celeb comparisons. Many of them really could be siblings or twins!

Don't say they're not related though...
It's not like they will ever tell us if they have a little DNA-factory we're they are re-using successfull DNA over and ove! :p

If you find some good comparisons, please post them here if you want!


Meanwhile:
Jessica Simpson and model Marissa Miller
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3185/77668559tj9.jpghttp://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3029/81285875ph3.jpg


Also check out these very interesting links on this subject, where you'll also find me (I have the same username there too.):

Doppelgangers
http://doppels.proboards99.com/

PID (Paul is dead)
http://only1rad.proboards62.com/

And, I always recommend this fantastic blog, although I have nothing to do with it myself... :)

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/

[lostworld]

What about these two?
Is it just me or do others sense she is somehow, soul less and not quite there..?


Hi Kiwimaj, and welcome here! :)

Farah Fawcett! :eek:
That is so tragic...

She was so gorgous in the 70's...
So, what happened to her?
Well, I don't think that she was replaced.
More likely she's totally destroyed by bad plastic surgery, drugs and most definately by mindcontrol too.

Luckily enough, her DNA seems to be shared and past on to younger generations...
Just look at Marissa Miller and Jessica Simpson! ^ :rolleyes:


Farrah in the 70's

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4923/farrahfawcett1hc8.jpghttp://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9644/5729461ae46684c71mx8.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Farrah - MK sex kitten?

[lostworld]

Farrah - MK sex kitten?

Absof***inlutely! :cool:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Sad what happened to Farrah. She went to my alma mater (UT Austin :))

[kiwimaj]

What about these two??


http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2008/02/40936/400_cher_080207_gty_57142506.jpghttp://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00185/F_200609_september1_185595a.jpg

:eek:

[faulconandsnowjob]

Wow! Those lips! :eek:

[endlessvista]

Farrah in the 70's

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9644/5729461ae46684c71mx8.jpg

Looks like a drag queen to me.

[endlessvista]

Wasn't Michael Jackson banging Brooke Shields at one stage?

[kiwimaj]

Found piccie of Kirsten Dunst and me thinks similarity to Dido...


http://www.morphthing.com/showimage/2/978b792c1c3ee51f24f7915a99152916/0/3137346/warmdayz-044-and-Kirsten-Dunst.jpeghttp://www.vidiot.com/Roswell/images/Dido-DVD-2.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Wasn't Michael Jackson banging Brooke Shields at one stage?
Yes, back in the early '80's, right?

[endlessvista]

Yes, back in the early '80's, right?

I seem to recall him saying he was her lover man. Hardly worth thinking about.

[kiwimaj]

from this...

http://www.celebritysmackblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/lisa-marie-presley-313.jpg


to this...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/11/LisaMariePresley_narrowweb__300x378,0.jpg

..she isn't ageing very well at the moment..I think her mum looks younger than her......... !!

:eek:

[dedicate]

This is the kind of thing great science fiction is made of.

This is the kind of thing that makes a person say, "What if any of this is true?"

I was once a member of a movie buffers forum and just for kicks, I wrote a essay about Oliver Stone. His movies had gone from wonderful insightful works of anti-nwo art .. to utter garbage. How could this be, I said.


I went on to explain that the reason Oliver Stone's movies have of late been so horrible was because he had been replaced while filming his Cuban documentary, Commandante. While in Cuba, they had taken him to a secret laboratory and either cloned him or subjected him to ridged mind control. Maybe I wasn't that far off?

[faulconandsnowjob]

I was wondering about Oliver Stone, too. "JFK" was so awesome! What happened? That def warrants further research.

[lostworld]

What about these two??


http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2008/02/40936/400_cher_080207_gty_57142506.jpghttp://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00185/F_200609_september1_185595a.jpg



LOOOOOOOOOOOL! :D

Pete Burns is sadly just a mess these days:
Pete Burns - You Spin Me Round live for CBB4 from UK Big Brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-yWs8NvjA

UK's Big Brother is very illuminati with lots of occult symbolism btw.
From Mirandas post here on Icke:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48409


And check this out... :eek:
Big Brother 9 UK Titles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9jjdJbqndU&feature=related

Demonic symbolisms all over the place...
White "Eyes wide shut" masks, mirror symbolism/multiples reflecting in mirrors (reflecting the mind controlled persons several alters) shattered/fractured glass etc (shattered glass = a shattered/fragmented/split mind, different alters.).

All very "nicely" wrapped up in the colouring of black and white (dark/evil + light/illuminati - to be illuminated, it also represents duality= several alters. Other examples of black and white symbolism: chequered floors, chess-games, the mk-sex kittens dressed in black and white zebra clothing etc. = VERY illuminati.)
and red (blood/bloodline).

Here's a still pic from that link above, from the intro of the ninth season of UK´s Big Brother:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6839/vlcsnap1657219na4ne7wz6.jpg


Meanwhile over at Britney's we are being shown this...

Britney Spears "Toxic"
(Britney in multiple roles/different alters)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkIytHD5v9c

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8484/0408toxic011za4.jpg[
Britney in black catsuit with collar (cat alter) and wearing a red wig (in mind control red represents sexually compliant alters and blood/bloodline).


The same mirror symbolism is shown here - reflecting the mind controlled sexslaves several alters.

Looking familiar...?
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8153/toxic202806729av5.jpg


And - over at MK sex-kitten Rihanna wearing purple/pink (used in mindcontrol) you'll find the same thing:

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6411/vlcsnap1767405af1.jpghttp://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4584/vlcsnap1769748dc1.jpg


Same same but different, right? :rolleyes:

Coincidence? No, I don't think so...

[lostworld]

I seem to recall him saying he was her lover man. Hardly worth thinking about.

Wasn't Michael Jackson banging Brooke Shields at one stage?


Endless,
search and you will find... :rolleyes:

Actually, I just wrote about Michael and Brooke some posts ago.
Check out post no 139, 140, 144, 145 and 146 for full story!

btw - I'm not sure he was "banging" her though, LOL... :D
MJ, to me, seems almost asexual, perhaps due to him being trapped/safe in a child state.


Check out my theory of MJ actually "Brookeshielding"/mirroring Brooke's beauty - could be a very good motive behind his endless (! ;)) plastic surgery operations...



Is Michael Jackson "Brookeshielding"?

_____________ Michael "Brookeshielding" ________________ Brooke Shields (or possibly Frooke = false Brooke) ____

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2045/michaeljacksonhh8.jpghttp://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3710/orig50468zr0ar3.jpg

Big eyes, small nose, a strong square chin - Michael even got himself the same dimple on the chin as Brooke has! :eek:

Is the real secret behind Michael Jackson's many plastic surgery operations and
changes in appearance a neverending love/obsession for Brooke Shields?

Brooke in the 80's - notice her upturned little nose and her strong chin with dimple on it.
Nowdays Brooke/Frooke has a much straighter nose. If this is because of plastic surgery or because she was perhaps replaced, well that's another story.

Beautiful Brooke in the 80's
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4540/brookebajbobb9hg0.jpg

[lostworld]

..she isn't ageing very well at the moment..I think her mum looks younger than her......... !!
:eek:



Her mum is looking really scary too these days though:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8820/priscillapresley1xs3.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1634/priscillapresleyplastiche7.jpg

Like "Artemis" on Doppelgangers wrote:
"Pact with the devil for eternal youth or a huge amount of surgery?"
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2&page=8

:eek:

Priscilla Presley emulates Mistress Of The Dark Elvira as her face becomes a mask
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1082068/Priscilla-Presley-emulates-Mistress-Of-The-Dark-Elvira-face-mask.html

"Mistress of the Dark"? :eek: :D



Another thing while on topic:

I always thought Lisa Marie as a child looked nothing like the Lisa Marie we see today as a grown up. I mean, no resemblance at all.
Also, the child bares no resemblance at all to her supposed to be parents! :eek:
The child-Lisa Marie was very blonde and fair looking.

And even though her parents did some heavy hair colouring (to black) back then, they still - especially Elvis - were not this light skinned/blonde at all!

Very strange...


Lisa Marie as a child (VERY difficult to find pics on the net btw... :rolleyes:)
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2843/sipaelvis070816mnev7.jpg

[lostworld]

This is the kind of thing great science fiction is made of.

This is the kind of thing that makes a person say, "What if any of this is true?"

I was once a member of a movie buffers forum and just for kicks, I wrote a essay about Oliver Stone. His movies had gone from wonderful insightful works of anti-nwo art .. to utter garbage. How could this be, I said.


I went on to explain that the reason Oliver Stone's movies have of late been so horrible was because he had been replaced while filming his Cuban documentary, Commandante. While in Cuba, they had taken him to a secret laboratory and either cloned him or subjected him to ridged mind control. Maybe I wasn't that far off?


Thanks for that interesting post Dedicate, and welcome!

Oliver Stone either Stepforded or replaced... ?
How interesting.

This is the kind of thing great science fiction is made of.

Remember: Science is already fact!
What they are showing us up on the big screen is almost always already a reality... :( :eek:

And what they are presenting to us officially ( Dolly the sheep, anyone?) is technology years behind...

[faulconandsnowjob]

Other examples of black and white symbolism: chequered floors,
Hey, in the scene in the "Manchurian Candidate" (1962) when the mind-controlled assassin kills his wife & her father, the kitchen was black & white checkered! At 3:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dss8g5HVtYE&feature=related

[lostworld]

Hey, in the scene in the "Manchurian Candidate" (1962) when the mind-controlled assassin kills his wife & her father, the kitchen was black & white checkered! At 3:42


Great observation Faulcon!

If you look, you will find these chequered floors everywhere.
Just think about the royals - these kind of floors are all around in castles...!
Also you find it in important buildings etc.

[aya_rei]

Fascinating read, lostworld, not only because you make some interesting observations, but also because it's interesting to compare the public perception on some of these stars and how it differs in different parts of the world.

I've no problem believing there is something shady going on in the entertainment industry, but don't know enough on this subject yet to share my own theories. I'll have a look at the links you provided several pages ago and continue to try and find information on this issue. because I've always thought it to be very intriguing.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Check this out. Sheds some light on the entertainment industry in Hollywood,

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

[aya_rei]

^ Check this out. Sheds some light on the entertainment industry in Hollywood,

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

Thanks, faulconandsnowjob!

I got the link bookmarked - think it popped in the controlled media forum - and read several chapters, but not the entire thing, so you reminded me to get back to it ;)

Oh and the link to http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/ is also a good read so far.

I cannot wait to see what the entry on Scarjo will be like. Definitely think she was a Marylin Monroe clone now - or is it they used MM's DNA to make her in their factory ? - and maybe that's why she's 'cringing' about the reported Obama crush thing now.

Oh and I just remembered Scarjo starred in The Island alongside Ewan McGregor now too. Coincidence?

[orbandsceptre27]

Hey, in the scene in the "Manchurian Candidate" (1962) when the mind-controlled assassin kills his wife & her father, the kitchen was black & white checkered! At 3:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dss8g5HVtYE&feature=related


Here`s a few interesting pieces of info regarding "The Manchurian Candidate" which I worked out some time ago using the Chaldean Hewbrew Kabala.

http://www.crystalinks.com/numerologych.html

Take the name of the assassin - "Raymond Shaw" and convert into its numeric frequency (see table in the above link).

- r = 2, a=1, y=1 etc. Add all the letters of both names together and reduce.

- Raymond = 6 (2 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 7 + 5 + 4 = 24 {2 + 4 = 6}

- Shaw = 6 ( s=3 + h=5 + a=1 + w=6 = 15) {1 + 5 = 6}

- In the film, to activate the assassin someone would usually ring and ask - "is this Raymond Shaw, Raymond Prentice Shaw?"

- Prentice being the middle name and key to the programmed alter.

- Prentice = 6 (8 + 2 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 5 = 33) {3 + 3 = 6}

- So under Chaldean numerology, the words "Raymond Prentice Shaw" (the name of the programmed assassin) just happen to work out numerically to give 666.

The word "Manchurian" also adds up to give the highest master number, the Christed "33" (there are two others 11 and 22) under the same system i.e 33 degrees in Freemasonry, Jesus was crucified at 33 years of age etc.

- 33 is the number of "the Master Teacher."

- 22 "the Master Builder."

- 11 "the Messenger." (aka Twin Towers, Flight 11, 9/11, NY 11th State of the Union).

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ That is so interesting about the numerology. Since you brought it up, I've been meaning to ask you about Paul McCartney's name - why he chose to go by Paul instead of James, which was his first name. So, according to my calculations, "Paul McCartney" comes out to 9, while "James McCartney" comes out to 5. "Paul" came out to 9, "McCartney" came out to 9, and "James" came out to 5. Do you think there's any significance? The Beatles have been called a "supernatural" band before, so maybe!

[kiwimaj]

Her mum is looking really scary too these days though:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8820/priscillapresley1xs3.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1634/priscillapresleyplastiche7.jpg

Like "Artemis" on Doppelgangers wrote:
"Pact with the devil for eternal youth or a huge amount of surgery?"
http://doppels.proboards99.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2&page=8

:eek:

Priscilla Presley emulates Mistress Of The Dark Elvira as her face becomes a mask
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1082068/Priscilla-Presley-emulates-Mistress-Of-The-Dark-Elvira-face-mask.html

"Mistress of the Dark"? :eek: :D



Another thing while on topic:

I always thought Lisa Marie as a child looked nothing like the Lisa Marie we see today as a grown up. I mean, no resemblance at all.
Also, the child bares no resemblance at all to her supposed to be parents! :eek:
The child-Lisa Marie was very blonde and fair looking.

And even though her parents did some heavy hair colouring (to black) back then, they still - especially Elvis - were not this light skinned/blonde at all!

Very strange...


Lisa Marie as a child (VERY difficult to find pics on the net btw... :rolleyes:)
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2843/sipaelvis070816mnev7.jpg


I may be in a minority here, but I do see a resemblance to Lisa Marie as a child and to her now. She is the spit of her father, you can see it (or use to be able to see it..), especially when she smiled.

Up until I was 5 I had white blonde hair, both my parents were dark haired, my hair turned mousy after 5, now it's just dark (with a bit of red). Alot of people are blonde when they are young, then the hair changes colour.

[orbandsceptre27]

.....I've been meaning to ask you about Paul McCartney's name - why he chose to go by Paul instead of James, which was his first name.

I agree Faulcon - it`s not often someone switches to their middle name like that. Most likely he preferred the name Paul and decided to stick with it. Many artists, especially writers, go under "pen names" but that`s usually to deflect attention from their own personal lives.


So, according to my calculations, "Paul McCartney" comes out to 9, while "James McCartney" comes out to 5. "Paul" came out to 9, "McCartney" came out to 9, and "James" came out to 5. Do you think there's any significance? The Beatles have been called a "supernatural" band before, so maybe!

You`re right with Paul and James as 9 and 5 respectively. McCartney though is an 8 instead of a 9. So "James McCartney" comes to 4, "Paul McCartney" is an 8 and "James Paul McCartney" is 22/4 the frequency of the Master Builder which I mentioned (indicating an old soul).

Generally in numerology if you want to find the entity number of an individual then use only the name(s) the individual commonly goes by, i.e how a person signs their name etc. In McCartneys case it was simply "Paul McCartney." To get a fuller indication of the entity then take the full birth name as it was written on the birth certificate.

For example, "Bob Geldof" was born "Robert Frederick Zenon Geldof," - but presuming he now goes by the title "Bob Geldof" (and constantly signs his name as such) this is his entity number.

Jewish mystics are very particular about this and certain sects actually leave out the vowels in writing as these are considered the sacred sounds of God or "G_d" as they would write it. So your "soul number" is simply all the vowels in your name added together. James Paul McCartneys soul number was 1 (a+e+a+u+a+e = 19) {1 + 9 = 10/1}.

Of course McCartney is no longer with us, having being replaced by a doppleganger - but his imposter continues to use original Pauls frequency through his name, among other ways. So Billy is keeping the illusion of James Paul McCartney very much alive.

This continuance/carrying of the original frequency can be considered a spell and a very strong one at that, as few recognise that the original McCartney has been replaced long ago.

[faulconandsnowjob]

McCartney though is an 8 instead of a 9. So "James McCartney" comes to 4, "Paul McCartney" is an 8 and "James Paul McCartney" is 22/4 the frequency of the Master Builder which I mentioned (indicating an old soul).
Ok, math is not my strong suit! How are you getting an 8 for McCartney? He was def an old soul! :)

This continuance/carrying of the original frequency can be considered a spell and a very strong one at that, as few recognise that the original McCartney has been replaced long ago.
It certainly does seem like a spell! It seems so obvious to you, me & lostworld, among others, that these are not the same person, but a lot of people can't see it.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/memphis_66_comp.jpg

I believe them that they can't tell the difference, but I can't really understand it. How does the spell work? Maybe something similar is going on w/ other celeb replacements...?

[orbandsceptre27]

^ You probably left out a number Faulcon -

McCartney - M4 + c3 + C3 + a1 + r2 + t4 + n5 + e5 + y1 = 28 {2 + 8 = 10/1}

- I think for many it has to do with a deep rooted egoic fear of having to deconstruct the old and allow in the new. Also it can be pretty traumatic to see how easily you can be duped in the first place.

- Without trying to sound too airy fairy - for me "seeing" isn`t so much about looking from the eyes, you have to "see" from the heart.

Unfortunately the heart chakra is blocked in many people - What can you allow in with a blocked Harry chakra? - very little. It can take alot of courage to "open the heart" and accept things as they are, accept you may be "wrong," accept you have no "friends" or "enemies" and that labels have been your master for much of your life. To really see then allow things be :) (Jes I`m starting to sound like I`m from San Fran :D)

I can`t stress how important some sort of meditation is for growing/developing in this life - It`s a super tool for allowing so much more into our lives and clearing blockages which may occurr.

[faulconandsnowjob]

- Without trying to sound too airy fairy - for me "seeing" isn`t so much about looking from the eyes, you have to "see" from the heart.
That is true. I was looking at a bunch of pics & videos of Paul/Faul, etc, & it was like the realization came from w/in. It was like an awareness/knowledge started dawning on me, until finally, something clicked & I could see the difference btw them. It's kind of disturbing to have been under that spell! :eek:

I can`t stress how important some sort of meditation is for growing/developing in this life - It`s a super tool for allowing so much more into our lives and clearing blockages which may occurr.
You are correct, Sir! Meditation, imo, allows us to gain access to knowledge/truth, which is then made manifest in our conscious awareness somehow. Meditation will open up all the chakras, & then it's easier to see more clearly. Yeah, mediation is key, imo. It's the red pill!

[lostworld]

Fascinating read, lostworld, not only because you make some interesting observations, but also because it's interesting to compare the public perception on some of these stars and how it differs in different parts of the world.

I've no problem believing there is something shady going on in the entertainment industry, but don't know enough on this subject yet to share my own theories. I'll have a look at the links you provided several pages ago and continue to try and find information on this issue. because I've always thought it to be very intriguing.

Hi aya rei,
thanks for posting and welcome! :)

It is very interesting all this, AND scary at the same time.
AND sad to find that many of your old icons are lost to the system... :(

Don't be afraid to post though! There is no absolute truth here, we all just go by our own instincts and observations. :)
To research is always good though, but there is so much out there and easy to get lost. You'll just have to make the pieces fit into your own puzzle...
And when it does - it's like, WOW! ;) :eek:

[lostworld]

Here`s a few interesting pieces of info regarding "The Manchurian Candidate" which I worked out some time ago using the Chaldean Hewbrew Kabala.


Hi Orb, my friend - Welcome!!! :)

Very interesting post, thanks!

I'm also into numerology - mainly because "I have to" since it's huge within the illuminati. :rolleyes:

[lostworld]

I may be in a minority here, but I do see a resemblance to Lisa Marie as a child and to her now. She is the spit of her father, you can see it (or use to be able to see it..), especially when she smiled.

I think NOW she looks very much like Elvis, same smile etc.

I still don't see it in her as a young child though.
Later as a bit older, 8-10 years old, she more looks like the Lisa Marie we see today... :confused:


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2412/elvislisamarieol9.jpg

[pinkfreud]

ewww... priscilla presley looks eerie, to put it mildly.

her face looks like it's been frozen in time; same with farah fawcett. i observed fawcett's eye though. and the first thing that came to mind was how mind control victims often have a damaged eye (see guy de rothschild), or eyes that seem very uneven.

anyway, i don't agree with the 'celeb replacement' theory though- plastic surgery can fuck up your features to a great extent, making you look very, very different from what you once used to be. you do have surgeries that can elongate your chin, widen your jawline, give you a longer nose, change the shape of your brow ridge.. the possibilities are endless.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Except gorgeous people like Paul McCartney do not have plastic surgery at 24 for no reason. It's true, he had a moped accident, & chipped a tooth & busted his lip, but there was no "structural damage." You can see his chipped tooth in this video at 1:36:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaYJaFWTHgM

This was him after the accident:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/james_paul_wounds.jpg

And then, according to "The Illuminati FAQ" by Abner Whateley at http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/illum50.html

11. They also replace people with doubles. For many years they recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace anybody.

So, anyway, I'm convinced Paul was replaced. I'm not really sure what's going on w/ the other celebs, but I think if they can replace him, they could replace someone else. It's my personal feeling that Paul was not the only one.

[yeshua]

Katy Perry and Zooey Deschanel
http://www.brianmcculloh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/zooeykaty1.jpg
http://www.brianmcculloh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/zooeykaty3.jpg
http://www.brianmcculloh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/zooeykaty7.jpg
I think both are MK'd too. I will post more about them later.

[pinkfreud]

^ Except gorgeous people like Paul McCartney do not have plastic surgery at 24 for no reason.

who said beautiful/gorgeous people don't have surgery? of course they do, simply because they feel there's something 'lacking' in their appearance. it's a mental thing really, and what may seem beautiful to you or me might not be in the eyes of another. it's as simple as that.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ I don't know about other celebs, but there's nothing to indicate that Paul McCartney had cosmetic surgery done.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Something interesting I came across about Henry Fonda w/ respect to Jane Fonda. Was she Stepforded, or was she just playing the game?

... We can begin, I suppose, by noting that Hank served as a decorated US Naval Intelligence officer during World War II, thus sparing Peter the stigma of being the only member of the Laurel Canyon in-crowd to have not been spawned by a member of the military/intelligence community. Not too many years after the war, Hank’s wife, Francis Ford Seymour, was found with her throat slashed open with a straight razor. Peter was just ten years old at the time of his mother’s, uhmm, suicide on April 14, 1950. When Seymour had met and married Hank, she was the widow of George Brokaw, who had, curiously enough, previously been married to prominent CIA asset Claire Booth Luce.

Fonda rebounded quickly from Seymour’s unusual death and within eight months he was married once again, to Susan Blanchard, to whom he remained married until 1956. In 1957, Hank married yet again, this time to Italian Countess Afdera Franchetti (who followed up her four-year marriage to Fonda with a rumored affair with newly-sworn-in President John Kennedy). Franchetti, as it turns out, is the daughter of Baron Raimondo Franchetti, who was a consultant to fascist dictator Benito Mussolini. The countess is also the great-granddaughter of Louise Sarah Rothschild, of the ever-popular Rothschild banking family (perhaps you’ve heard of them?)

Before moving on, I should probably mention that Hank’s first wife, Margaret Sullavan – who was yet another child of Norfolk, Virginia – also allegedly committed suicide, on New Year’s Day, 1960. Nine months later, her daughter Bridget followed suit. In 1961, very soon after the deaths of first her mother and then her sister, Sullavan’s other daughter, Brook Hayward, walked down the aisle with the next Young Turk on our list, Dennis Hopper...

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr99.html

[lostworld]

So, anyway, I'm convinced Paul was replaced. I'm not really sure what's going on w/ the other celebs, but I think if they can replace him, they could replace someone else. It's my personal feeling that Paul was not the only one.

I agree!

Mindcontrol is the big agenda in the entertainment industry but the replacements are a part of it - then to what extent I don't know.

The problem is when you start to think about cloning and replacements being possible clones or synthetic people...:rolleyes:
Now, none of us would know! And that's really scary :eek:


They also replace people with doubles. For many years they recruited look-alikes who would serve their ends. Now they are perfecting cloning technology that will let them replace anybody.
(The Illuminati by Abner Whateley)


http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7067/0628057400ed6.jpg
Fangelina & the doll - one and the same?


The four types of ‘clones’ that are used by the Illuminati:

1. Actual Clones
This is a person who has been grown from a test tube (called "in vitro") or implanted womb, which has the identical genetic makeup to another person--an identical twin so to speak in terms of genetic makeup. The genetic coding has reproduced, and a new person who is an identical twin is now in existence.

2. Synthetic People
These are "persons" who look everybit as real as a real person, but simulate human beings. Certain tissues extracted from cattle are the starting point. (This is part of the reason for cattle mutilations.) The process is an advancement of a process discovered in the late 1950’s. This 1959 experiment was reported in a book in 1968 called The Biological Time Bomb by Gordon Rettray Taylor. Taylor describes the experiment done in France, "They had extracted DNA from the cells of the khaki Cam phells and had injected it into the white Pekins, thinking that just possibly the offspring of the latter might show some character derived from khaki Campbells. To their astonishment the actual ducks they injected began to change. Their white feathers darkened, and their necks began to take on the peculiar curve which is a mark of the khaki Campbell." The scientists working under the auspices of the Rothschilds, (who are directed by Satan himself) developed this process by working at secret breakneck speed. They developed an advanced development of the process they discovered with the DNA chicken experiment. By the late 1970’s, synthetic people could be produced by the Illuminati.

3. Organic Robotoids
This is an "artificial life" form that is created through processes that are totally different than cloning or synthetics. Organic robotoid technology is being made to make exact as possible copies of important people such as Presidents and some of their staff. For instance, the Jimmy Carter who came to Portland a few years ago who I stood two feet away from and examined visually was not the Jimmy Carter that had run for President. On Easter, 1979 the first robotoid model of Jimmy Carter replaced the man Jimmy Carter. By the time "Carter" was seen by me, they must have been on at least robotoid no. 100. This is why a friend of mine who was recently in Washington D.C. almost bumped into President Clinton jogging. My friend was surprised by the lack of security. Kaiser Aluminum News which is put out by Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation put out a series of articles to a specialized audience in the 1960’s. This material was also published under the book title The Dynamics of Change (Prentice-Hall: Englewood Cliffs, N.J., 1967). Under the title heading "GENETIC MANIPULATION" we read, "The ability to control the formation of new beings may be one of the most basic developments of the future. Recent discoveries about the nucleonic acids, the basic building blocks of life, have led to the belief that man may some day be able to treat genes in such a way that desired characteristics can be realized..." Under the heading "MAN-MACHINE SYMBIOSIS" we read, "...Computers exist which can learn, remember, see, seek goals, reason, walk, sing on key, talk, be irritable, play games, grasp, adapt to an environment and even design improvements in themselves.. .man-like computers may one day contain plasma circulating through a viscera-like envelope, allowing them to be self-healing." Under the heading "HUMAN ROBOTS" we read, "...An electronic circuit that imitates two neurons, the cells of the human brain, has been built, and has enabled a robot to deal with some unexpected situations, but the neuron structure was bulky. The brain has billions of neurons, meaning an incredible miniaturization job will be necessary before truly ‘human’ robots are developed." As the reader knows since the 1960’s when this was written an incredible miniaturation job has been done in computers. What the public knows of that minituration is incredible and that is only part of what has actually occurred. In fact, scientists are now able to manipulate DNA to create computers. A basic thing that is needed to create a computer is material that will consistently change given some type of "signal". This is because the computer works off of base two--or what is simply an on--off switch system, or a 0 or 1 system of numbers. Living biological material is superior to other material for making computers because the heat created by the methods in conventional computers slows the speed. For super-computers to work at great speeds they need to use biological material that will not heat up. This type of miituration has already been done. It creates computers far beyond what we are familiar with. Organic robotoids are amazingly humanlike, so humanlike that it is hard for the scientists who have created them to get used to the idea that they are not humans. Biological computer brains for the robotiods
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came as a result of research into holograms. If you tear up a conventional photograph you ruin it, but if you tear up the film that produces a hologram, each piece still contains almost all the same image. This is why part of the brain of people can be removed and the brain regain what it had lost. A holographic image of a person’s brain is made, and then when the brain of a robotoid is made, the biological computer in its head is caused to form according to the holographic record of a person being copied. Some deviations from the holographic record are needed, because the "person" is a robotoid and not a person. The brain of the robotoid has almost all of the correct memory of the person reproduced, but the robotoid brain is really a computer made from biological material which is programmed, it is not a human brain. First, "Clinton" has the energy to jog because it may well be a robotoid, and second thing, an assassination of a robotoid is not so serious. These robotoids have a biological computer-brain that is programmed. They can think in the sense a computer thinks, but secret advances in understanding the human brain, have allowed the makers of organic robotoids to have the memory of a person at a given point in time transferred to an organic robotoid. The key then for making what appears to be a clone--but they are not a real clone--is to capture the person to be copied and make a holographic copy of the brain memory and transfer that to the robotoid.

4. Doubles (look alikes)
There is an ongoing program to find look alikes for prominent people, as well as a program to create secret identical twins (which are separated at birth and never see each other). George Bush’s double was promiscuous, while George Bush is a pedophile. His double was living in France after Bush was no longer President. By the use of doubles, (or one of the synthetics or organic robotoids) the elite are able to sneak away and perform satanic rituals. On certain occasions, if Clinton or Bush only needed to do low level tasks in front of the public, they could have their double substitute for them. The Illuminati working with several organizations has had a look alike operation where doubles of certain key people are found and then used. In the book Desert Shield and The New World Order pub. by Northpoint Tactical Teams, Topton, NC, if you look on page 32 you will see a picture of the original FDR who had a mole over his eyes and then you will a see a picture of the double of Roosevelt who they used, who had no mole and had different ear lobes. Roosevelt may have died prior to when it was actually announced. Over the years I have seen numerous photos exposing either the Robotoids or the doubles that they use. This author’s previous S' ’93 article had some pictures about the dead Pope Paul VI, who my Be Wise As Serpents book said was murdered. This recent Pope was replaced with a double who had had plastic surgery. As a double gets older the plastic surgery will not look as convincing, because time changes people differently. One ex-Catholic said the whole thing sounded like science fiction. It does sound far out at first, but the evidence is there for people to see. For myself, the ex-Illuminati have told me about the double’s program. From what I understand the double or look-alike program has been more successful than the robotoids and synthetics. The reason is that people live longer and are more dependable in some ways. The project to find look alikes for prominent people has been very successful. Plastic surgery has also been done to help touch up the doubles.



SUMMARY OF THE FOUR METHODS

This Appendix covers 4 different methods that have been used to make copies of people, these were cloning, creating synthetic duplicates, creating organic robotoids, and finding look alike doubles. [Programs for all four of these methods have had almost unlimited funding by the intelligence/Illuminati elite.] Next, the basic principles for creating a synthetic human were covered. Synthetic humans were in some ways found to be superior to the robotoids that were created. The first few years of robotoids were fraught with problems. [Since my inside information is somewhat dated, I cannot give readers the status of current robotoid abilities, however, I believe from what I’ve seen that the program continues.] The synthetics were people who had their genes altered to look more like the person they were to copy. The robotoids were the formation of new beings that look human but are actually bionic robots. Their memories were created by using living "brain tissue" which is some type of programmable living biological matter, and programming this material as a sophisticated computer. In order to get the memory of the person being copied, a holographic image of the person’s brain is made and transferred to the robotoid. Because the robotoid "brain" is not functioning like a human (although the end result is nearly identical so that viewers have to know what differences to look for), there are of course some adjustments that have to be made after the holographic image of the host is transferred to the living biological matter that will function as the brain of the robotoid. Lord Willing, this author may write some more on this topic later. The ability of the Illuminati to copy people using the 4 methods listed above, are not going to be the deciding factor in their moves to control the world, but it does give them a great deal of flexibility in their operations. This author frequently reflects on the words of the Illuminati Grand Master who told Cisco, who was then a child, while touring a cloning facility, "never, never think you are seeing who you think you are seeing."



From "Deeper insights into the Illuminati formula"
by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/deeperinsightsbook.shtml

[lostworld]

^

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7236/235390lqspwzl4.jpg

Robotoids and clones

Human clones are made by other humans from the DNA of a single cell, where a replica of the physical body is reproduced. That clone is only physical and has no soul, therefore, it has no God-connection. Clones can mate and reproduce clone children. A clone and a souled-human can mate and, again, only reproduce clone children.

Humans have no means to create a soul in another human clone, therefore, human clones have no soul and no concept of right and wrong, no conscience and no compassion. They have survival instinct and are greatly concerned about their own death, but not the welfare and death of others.

This explains why so many people today have no values, no morals, no ethics and are prone to violence.

They are more easily programmed through our mind-control type education and military training than are souled-humans with a freewill. Clones have no freewill, only a sense of survival, and will act accordingly through conditioned behavior.

The eye is the window of the soul. In the eye of another souled-human you can sense the Light emanating from the soul, the God Spirit within. As I said earlier, soul or God Spirit within, so there is no God-connection to the eternal Light of Creator Source. Therefore, there is no the human clone has no spiritual discernment. The eyes of a human clone may appear dull, blank, hollow, dark, vacant, lifeless, empty with no vibrancy or Light. They have no reaction to or understanding of spiritual energy, concepts or conversation.

The human clone acts robotically and is incapable of changing programming or thinking outside of "the box". Repetitive work and actions are not a problem. A human adult clone today can be made from a single cell in less than thirty-six hours. I am not joking. Russia had perfected cloning by the mid 1970's, and the Rothschilds were close behind in cloning technology.

(from http://www.2012unlimited.net/Robotoids.html )

[lostworld]

Possible clones/synthetics


Angelina Jolie - real?

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3619/84221570el8.jpghttp://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8426/84216928ajbf6.jpghttp://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5809/84221586xo9.jpg


Nicole Kidman - real?
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8217/nkidmanqj5cm6.jpghttp://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8098/50933421ze4dy6.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4267/82816935dp5us5.jpg


Megan Fox - real?
Looks like Angelina btw, she also has the same kind ot tattoo (marking) on her back...

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8329/79696086lq9.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8161/79696083mw3.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9311/79696047py7.jpg

[pinkfreud]

nooooooo not megan fox :(

[endlessvista]

This thread is being sucked into celeb worship I think.

[yeshua]

This thread is being sucked into celeb worship I think.

How? The "Paul McCartney is gorgeous" stuff?

[lostworld]

Angelina and Megan - marked for the illuminati?


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4688/83958992gw0.jpghttp://img141.imageshack.us/img141/470/83959125xb0.jpghttp://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4619/77696417ba6.jpg


"We will all laugh at gilded butterflies" Megan's tattoo says.
The words are from here:

King Lear, Act V, Scene 3

KING LEAR
No, no, no, no! Come, let's away to prison
(the zebras/black and white - my comment)

We two alone will sing like birds i' the cage
When thou dost ask me blessing, I'll kneel down,
And ask of thee forgiveness: so we'll live,
And pray, and sing, and tell old tales, and laugh
At gilded butterflies

In mindcontrol, the term "butterfly" is a sexual trauma based part the programming (the girl is being raped while her legs are spread like a butterfly's wings...).

Just like there are the kittens, the zebra's and the Marilyn's there's also the butterfly girls. These are not separate things though, they all seem to have the same kind of basic programming so one day you'll see them in black and white (zebra). another day as Marilyn and the third day as a butterfly... some girls are more stuck in one role than others though.

Perfect example of this is the butterfly girl - Mariah Carey (who's program broke down a couple of years ago, remember?)
Mariah is also programmed with rainbows ("Somewhere over the rainbow"/the Wizard of Oz). Both Butterfly and Rainbow are previous album titles of hers...


Ring marked butterfly girl
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2005/mariahcarey400ol8.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/685/3c05224128a0c03dab41601dp1.jpghttp://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4725/4vpgidili5.jpg


The girl of Oz
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8095/252794yp8.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2662/217214d15c234e779b10176sr6.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9025/mariahcarey6ac6np0.jpg

[lostworld]

nooooooo not megan fox :(

I'm afraid so, Pink... :p

[aya_rei]

This thread is being sucked into celeb worship I think.

This is something I've been pondering myself about the thread.

Not that I think that's how it is shaping up, but that someone, casually, walking in might get the impression it's all about putting some people on a pedestal and then justifying their downfalls with this idea they were replaced by a double/clone.

If I may offer my opinion, the situation might be one of which these people are indeed being bred, replaced, mind controlled and other such scenarios, or they might just be common folks, who subject themselves to endless plastic surgeries, changes in the way they conduct themselves in order to promote their work and other ridiculous and bogus character 'rebuilds' for fame.

Up until now, I always thought the celebrities were 'normal people' addicted to fame, money and generally lacking the moral fiber to resist promiscuity and drug use. Now, I think there might be more to it than my preconceptions.

[lostworld]

Katy Perry and Zooey Deschanel
http://www.brianmcculloh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/zooeykaty1.jpg
I think both are MK'd too. I will post more about them later.

Thanks Yeshua for a great post!
God - they really look so much alike! :eek:

Yes, please keep posting.
I agree with them being MK too.

I read somewhere that Zooey (Oz) seems to be in a constant trance, judging by her eyes...

Zooey Deschanel
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7123/002405458367uj8.jpghttp://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9285/zooeydesch66690095rn8.jpg


Another girl with the same kind of trance eyes AND who also looks alot like Kate and Zooey, is Alexis Bledel.
Could they all be sharing the same DNA? (as we've been talking about in previous posts about other celebs)

Alexis Bledel
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5248/alexisblejean9506543600wg7.jpg


Since eyes are the window to the soul, a big key to mindcontrol/replacements is if the eyes seems off" somehow.
Since mindcontrol can be compared to hypnosis, it's not surprising that some of the MK's have this kinda stare...


Kate Perry the cat (cat alter)
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2397/l388cdc1225aa212786382agc9.jpg

[lostworld]

This thread is being sucked into celeb worship I think.

No, not worship.

This is a phenomenon that goes on in many different levels of society.
There are mind controlled stalkers/killers (Mark Chapman, anyone? ;)), politicians being mindcontrolled, replaced and having doubles in use.
AND there is the entertainment industry which is my main focus here.

So there is no surprise there will be celebrities here...
AND it can be hard to hear that your favourite celeb or artist is possibly mindcontrolled and/or replaced. Of course.

This part of the agenda is just another piece of the puzzle for me.
My search for the truth, that started with a genuin interest in UFO's and archeology, step by step has lead me here, to this. So to me it's all connected and the pieces fit.
Which is very satisfying but at the same time scary too.

I can never listen to music, watch Tv series or movies and look at it the same way again... It's really sad.
At the same time - this IS part of one's awakening and I wouldn't wanna have it any other way!

My worst fear is to be Stepforded and put back to sleep, lol :p

[armoured_amazon]

...to me it's all connected and the pieces fit.
Which is very satisfying but at the same time scary too.

I can never listen to music, watch Tv series or movies and look at it the same way again... It's really sad.

+1

[faulconandsnowjob]

Mark David Chapman was not a celebrity stalker, imo. We were talking earlier about John Lennon having possibly been stepforded. I cam across this from COVERT WAR ON ROCK BY ALEX CONSTANTINE SUMMARY
at
http://www.articlesbase.com/journalism-articles/covert-war-on-rock-by-alex-constantine-summary-514622.html:

CHAPTER 11
PROJECT WALRUS..JOHN LENNON..

Mark-David Chapman chose to plead not guilty due to following the direction of his voices.. His attorney J. .Marks, punctuated the plea "by reason of insanity". Chapman testified "I can hear their thoughts, I can hear them talking, but not from the outside, from the inside" Not one of the three psychiatrists at the trial explored the possibility of Mind-Control. In 1977 Chapman lost his fundamentalist religion and became a Satanist..

At 19, 1n 1975,Chapman signed onto the YMCA,(international camp counselor program) and was sent to Beirut where he allegedly received instructions in lethal arts at the CIA training camp school of terror. (there was a known "experiment in Mind Control unit" for the army in Lebanon.). In 1980 he surfaced in New York, and mailed a letter to an Italian address. The Dakota (residence of the Lennon’s) was given as a return address. There was a reference to his" mission " in N.Y.. It was returned to New York, the address not found in Italy, where it sat for three years in the dead letter bin, and finally delivered to the Dakota. Yoko Ono glanced at the letter and dropped it in her deranged file. In 1983, head of security, Mahoney, found the letter. This was evidence of premeditated murder and conspiracy. The letter vanished and reappeared slightly altered, the post-date now was 1981. The "mission" statement was missing...

Elliot Mintz, friend of Sal Mineo ,was instrumental in exposing "Project Walrus" as a conspiracy regarding Lennon. He had been Lennon’s chum too and publicist since 1971 Mintz recalls that some of Yoko body guards were at the time New York Police officers.. It is very difficult for a private citizen to legally possess a weapon in New York. The people who can are off duty officers. It is thus, a common celebrity arrangement. There were many files with missing contents at Yoko's apt. after Lennon was killed. Listening devices were planted at the Dakota and once swept clean would reappear. There had been numerous attempts on Yoko's life. One man was arrested at airport who had made a call that he was coming to finish the job and kill Yoko and Sean. There were also calls made to tell her body guards were going to kill her. Sean Lennon said, "I grew up afraid my mother and I were going to be killed".

After John's murder the first promoting of Project Walrus was the ruining of his reputation. John had known he was wire-tapped and was paranoid. After Watergate he filed a lawsuit for wiretap and surveillance and made some progress. Justice Dept. never would admit it actually carried out the wiretap and blamed it on other possibilities. After he got his green card he gave up the litigation. Lennon overcame his fear of federal harassment and gave public statements that were anti-republican.

Killing Lennon was only the first step. All that he signified must be defaced. That was the principle objective of Walrus. His diaries were stolen and returned later with extra entries and some entries altered. Fred Seaman wrote a defamatory book on Lennon. Seaman was to be executive of Lennon’s archives, and much was feigned regarding their bond. He told friends he was going to discredit Ono at all costs. The goal was to drive her to a nervous breakdown and discredit her attempt to set straight the public record. The walrus crew anticipated immense profits. Dead Lennon’s money’s The events at the Dakota began to sound like the Movie "Gaslight"..( in which a husband tries to drive his wife crazy by reality distortion) Yoko began sleeping badly. One of Yoko’s assistants, wracked by stress began packing a gun at all times. He said " you do not know how big this is. The people doing this are too big to fight." To discredit Lennon and Yoko and the Peace movement was a major part of Operation Walrus. (but it didn't and IT WILL NOT)

Fenton Bresler also concluded in his book, "The Murder of John Lennon," that John had been killed by the CIA for political reasons. There have been a lot of celebrity "hits." Tha link above also discusses Mama Cass, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, Tupac, Joan Baez, Phil Ochs & Michael Hutchence.

Actually, Joan Baez was stepforded, it seems:

CHAPTER 9
JOAN BAEZ PHIL OCHS

Joan Baez survived the chaos backlash, she fully understood that political assassination could be her reward for openly castigating military-industrial masters of war. Her close friend Martin Luther King Jr., the worlds most honored civil rights leader told her and a group of activists before delivering his famed speech how the police had dumped him in the hole and it was black and he couldn’t see. They shoved food in the room but he wouldn’t eat it for fear it was poisoned starving and afraid he got on his knees and prayed and when he got up he said it didn’t matter anymore.

Kings entourage hid their pain when they knew what he meant. We knew he was going to die, and he was ready to die, and he was ready to make a commitment to Vietnam etc. He said, “I have been to the mountaintop and I have seen the Promised Land and it doesn’t matter anymore.”

Joan Baez wrote a memoir, And a Voice to Sing With, (1987) of her childhood and her father as a bright young Stanford scientist "Albert Baez recognized the danger of the unleashed atom even in the early days" He took a job at Cornell University in Ithica, New York (Cornell is the base of CIA Mind Control experiments and Joan is a survivor of ritual abuse and mind control experimentation, according to letters she has written to researchers and other survivors), a common cover for trauma-based-mind-control programming. She has a song about it

”I am paying for protection, Smoking out the truth...chasing recollections...nailing down the roof”

Baez entertained no illusions about the CIA, and promoted State of Siege, film she saw as exposing the corrupt element of AID (Agency for International Development, overseas), which funded the teaching of techniques of torture tactics in Latin America. We solicited signatures against the use of torture. Torture was made more prevalent than it had been since the Middle Ages, thus the danger was its common use as government policy. The hands of the US government were far from clean.

Joan did years of intensive therapy to confront her inner demons ,fears, insomnia, panic attacks, phobias, anxieties, etc. Therapists kept Joan glued together, to get me to the next gig, she said.

Joan’s father was invited to become the head of Operations at Cornell, which would bring him in contact with CIA Human Ecology Foundation, (re: Academic Mind Control Studies) behind the fences of the Ivy League campuses across the country. Joan said it was classified. She was not buried by Chaos, but she lived under its intolerant eye and it could silence her. An example is a mistranslation in Japanese re her comments on Vietnam and Nagasaki. The interpreter was threatened and complied. A year later sale of her records were banned from all Army PXs and when she denounced the draft on the Smother‘s Brothers Hour, she was censored by CBS, her comments cut, and CBS cancelled the Brothers soon after. The same year her then David Harris was sentenced to three years for draft evasion.

[1977]

And David Bowie was next on Chapman's list. Bowie freaked out, cancelled any tour plans, and laid low for three years.

He went from this:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2539836292_4536732f66.jpg

To this:

http://o.aolcdn.com/feedgallery/music/i/d/davidbowie/12-david-bowie-080208.jpg

A touch of Stepforditis? Or just good old fashioned selling out?

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Was he? Do you have info on that?

Is the username 1977 for this song? Just curious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ONqB3m3xg

The Clash is another one w/ some weird stuff going on... Will post on that in a bit.

[armoured_amazon]

Hmmm...

http://icelebz.com/celebs/angelina_jolie/images/photo750.jpg
http://www.freshnews.in/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/angelina-jolie6.jpg
http://www.dlisted.com/files/imagecache/photo-preview/files/galleries/angiecritics2.jpg

[lostworld]

Mark David Chapman was not a celebrity stalker, imo.

No, he was not a classic stalker but a trigged killer...


He very much fits into this description I think: :rolleyes:

"How do the Illuminati get rid of their leftovers, the children their bloodlines have that aren’t going to amount to
a great deal? In terms of mind-control, the male children that are the programming leftovers, the ones that are
not really fit to make into politicians, doctors and lawyers, will be made into stalkers, according to an ex-
Illuminati programmer, who worked in this area of programming, the ratio of men to women that are
programmed for stalking is about 90% to 10%. Why discuss how the Illuminati makes stalkers? First, many
people doubt that there is a controlled conspiracy by the Illuminati to control the world, because in their limited
understanding they think that there are too many uncontrollable people around for the world to be controlled.
They don’t realize that a large share of those crazy people were intentionally created by the Illuminati. The
Illuminati programmers and handlers during the 40’s through the 60’s, according to insiders, had specific quotas
on how many people to have go crazy so that the mental institutions (which were used for programming) could
maintain their government financing."

"The Illuminati need their people seeded at all levels of society, at the gutter level
as well as in palaces. This is where the stalkers, their leftover children used for programming are handy. Many
of these stalkers had secret Illuminati lineages that are hidden via adoption. As one ex-Illuminati member said,
"They are the weak links." The Illuminati must have dependable people everywhere, even in the gutter and
prisons."

from here:
http://www.forgenerations.net/documents/vol2-maybe.pdf
It starts on page 25.

[lostworld]

And David Bowie was next on Chapman's list. Bowie freaked out, cancelled any tour plans, and laid low for three years.

A touch of Stepforditis? Or just good old fashioned selling out?


Hi 1977 and welcome! :)

Ah, David Bowie...

Now, there is another megastar up for discussion.
Often named as a possible case of replacement...

I always thought that David had such an unusual, almost "alien-looking" face that it would be impossible for them to replace him.
But then I started to look at some pics, comparing voices etc and now I really don't know what to think. :confused:

There seems to be a difference in height too...:rolleyes:

David Bowie, 1972
Seems very tall and skinny here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU&mode=related&search=


Fowie (false Bowie)? performing the same song,
from "the reality tour" :rolleyes: 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GljaNHyT2E&mode=related&search=



David interviewed, only 17 years old!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5zxeLwUSdk&feature=related

David, Russel Harty 1973
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMCLq3jnhk&feature=related

David, Dick Cavett 1974, part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThH2eGEtoA&feature=related


Fowie? at Parkinson 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWH4O9cXjzg


David Bowie
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4627/mpicdavidbowiejy9.jpghttp://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6019/bowiecolllrgbv0.jpghttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8325/ziggystardustdavidbowiefg6.jpg


Fowie?
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1452/cwp000620rt3.jpghttp://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4359/davidbowieposterc100875nf1.jpghttp://img82.imageshack.us/img82/662/davidbowie1dk5.jpg

Bowie's possible replacement is being discussed here:
http://60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=CelebRepl&action=display&thread=3024

[aya_rei]

The Clash is another one w/ some weird stuff going on... Will post on that in a bit.

Can't wait to hear about it.

It's funny, because just a week ago, I was watching The Future IS Unwritten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHCA75ZO1s) and thought right away there was a lot of weird things going on with Strummer.

His parents sending him and his brother to boarding school that early? Finding his brother's dead body? Don't want to jump the gun, but looks like he was bred for the agenda too.

Since we're talking about Bowie as well, I always thought it is funny that him - and Iggy too - have been deemed 'talent vampires' by other musicians, who felt used and discarded by the pair as they built their careers.

Maybe this characteristic is a result of the cloning/replacement? Because after reading a couple of biographies on them, it seems that this wasn't always the case and their peers were stunned by their change.

[lostworld]

Bowie the alien...

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1466/davidbowiebillgrahampreov3.jpg

Who is he
What is he
Where did he come from

Is he a creature from a foreign power

crazy / sane / man / woman / robot :eek:
- what is he?

from here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThH2eGEtoA&feature=related

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ I still need to watch "The Future IS Unwritten." I've heard good things about it :) This is from my posts on Doppelganger about the Clash.

Some background info...

The big Record Labels are all controlled by the same Elite of people, and they run their business through the Occult, and are the heads of Secret Societies like the Freemasons and the OTO.

To sign up as a musician for the big Record Companies, you have to be willing to work toward their Agenda, which is to eventually obtain total control over the World Population, or, like in many cases, you are already mind controlled before you start your career. This doesn't mean that all artists that sign up are aware of the Agenda, but they are tied to strict rules and regulations by the Industry. In a free world, the artist would be able to express him/herself the way he/she wants, but if your want to make it in the Industry, you have to adjust to rules, regulations and censorship.

The famous artists, who get the most promotion, are themselves often mind controlled victims, who have split, multiple personalities and are controlled by a Programmer or a Handler (who quite often is the Manager). This is to keep the artist "on track", so that he/she keeps following the course that is set out for him/her. If the artist tries to drift away from the "cause", he/she is getting threatened, "re-programmed", denied to make more records (fired), or even killed.

Many artists are themselves involved in the Occult and members of secret societies like the ones mentioned above, and the Church of Satan. They are practicing Occultism and Black Magic (like Marilyn Manson, Ozzy Osbourne, Led Zeppelin to name a few),.... Their task is to demoralize our youth, to create a society where no one is able to think for themselves (contrary to what the pop culture is trying to teach us, that rock music is rebellious and good for us). The musicians are often acting degraded and high or low on drugs, so their fans start acting the same, because if the celebrities are doing it, it is cool; the purpose is to create apathy and decay. Quite a few artists also put subliminal backward messages in their music, like Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, The Eagles, and more ...

From http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/index2.htm

I'm not sure what to think about The Clash, which is "considered one of the most overtly political, explosive and exciting bands in rock and roll history. Their songs tackled social decay, unemployment, racism, police brutality, political and social repression, and militarism in detail."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Strummer Was Joe Strummer stepforded?

"...I learnt that fame is an illusion & everything about it is just a joke. I'm far more dangerous now, because I don't care at all.”
—Joe Strummer to Chris Salewicz – 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Strummer

Some interesting facts:

"Joe Strummer was born as John Graham Mellor in Ankara, Turkey on 21 August 1952. ... His father, Ronald Mellor, was a British foreign-service diplomat...

"Before the album Combat Rock was released in 1982, Strummer disappeared from the group after pressure from the group's manager, Bernie Rhodes, because tickets were selling slowly for the Scottish leg of an upcoming tour...

"Strummer died suddenly on 22 December 2002 in his home at Broomfield in Somerset, the victim of an undiagnosed congenital heart defect [at 50].

"Strummer's final regular gig was at Liverpool Academy on 22 November 2002, ... Shortly before his death Strummer and U2's Bono co-wrote a song, "46664", for Nelson Mandela as part of a campaign against AIDS in Africa. Strummer had been scheduled to play at Mandela's SOS fundraising concert in February 2003 on Robben Island."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Strummer

So, what was going on? Was Joe selected for stardom, but then refused to play the game? Did he get too out of control?

I think their lyrics are very telling. Take for ex:

The Clash - Complete Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXBY5nJDz_k

They said release 'Remote Control'
But we didn't want it on the label
They said fly to Amsterdam
The people laughed but the press went mad

Ooh oooh oohh someone's really smart
Ooh oohh oohh complete control, yeah that's a laugh

On the last tour my mates couldn't get in
I'd open up the back door but they'd get run out again
At every hotel we were met by the law
Come for the party come to make sure

Ooh oohh oohh have we done something wrong?
Oohh oohh oohh complete control even over this song

You're my guitar hero!!

They said we'd be artistically free
When we signed that bit of paper
They meant they make a lots a money
An' worry about it later

Oohh oohh oohh I'll never understand
Oohh oohh oohh complete control
Lemme see your other hand

I don't judge you
Why should you judge me?
huh?

All over the news spread fast
They're dirty, they're filthy
They ain't gonna last

This is Joe Public speaking
I'm controlled in the body
I'm controlled in the mind
This is punk rockers!
we're controlled in the price
of the hard drugs we must find

Total
C-o-n Control, complete control..
That means you!

http://lyricwiki.org/The_Clash:Complete_Control

The Clash - Remote Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHVpkKn6bGE

Who needs remote control
From the Civic Hall
Push a button
Activate
You gotta work an' you're late

It's so grey in London town
With a panda car crawling around
Here it comes
Eleven o'clock
Where can we go now?

Can't make a noise
Can't get no gear
Can't make no money
Can't get outta here

Big business it don't like you
It don't like the things you do
You got no money
So you got no power
They think you're useless
An' so you are - puuuuuuunnnnnk!

They had a meeting in Mayfair
They got you down an'
They wanna keep you there
It makes them worried
Their bank accounts
That's all that matters
And you don't count

Can't make no progress
Can't get ahead
Can't stop the regress
Don't wanna be dead

Look out' those rules and regulations

Who needs the Parliament
Sitting making laws all day
They're all fat and old
Queuing for the House of Lords

Repression - gonna start on Tuesday
Repression - gonna be a Dalek
Repression - I am a robot
Repression - I obey

http://lyricwiki.org/The_Clash:Remote_Control

Info about Daleks at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek:

The Daleks ... are a fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants from the British science fiction television series Doctor Who. Daleks are organisms from the planet Skaro, integrated within a tank-like mechanical casing. The resulting creatures are a powerful race bent on universal conquest and domination, utterly without pity, compassion or remorse (as all of their emotions were removed except hate).[1] ...

The term is sometimes used metaphorically to describe people, usually figures of authority, who act like robots unable to break from their programming...

The Clash - I'm So Bored With the USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoGonObuvU

Yankee soldier
He wanna shoot some skag*
He met it in Cambodia
But now he can't afford a bag

Yankee dollar talk
To the dictators of the world
In fact it's giving orders
An' they can't afford to miss a word

I'm so bored with the U...S...A...
But what can I do?

Yankee detectives
Are always on the TV
'Cos killers in America
Work seven days a week

Never mind the stars and stripes
Let's print the Watergate Tapes
I'll salute the New Wave
And I hope nobody escapes

I'm so bored with the U...S...A...
But what can I do?

Move up Starsky
For the C.I.A.
Suck on Kojak
For the USA

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/the-clash/im-so-bored-with-the-u-s-a.html

"Skag" is another name for heroin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

"In late 1960s and early 70s, the CIA supported anti-Communist Chinese Nationalists settled near Cino-Burmese border and Hmong tribesmen in Laos. This helped the development of the Golden Triangle opium production region, which supplied about one-third of heroin consumed in US after 1973 American withdrawal from Vietnam."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin

"As clearly documented by Alfred McCoy, author of THE POLITICS OF HEROIN IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, our CIA organized the heroin trade in the Golden Triangle by militarily suppressing all traffickers in each area except its chosen agent and by providing product transport via AIR AMERICA, Gen. Richard Secord. These U.S. government conferred monopolies transcended the communist takeovers. In the heroin trade of the Golden Triangle we see communist and non communist governments working together like a hand and a glove."
http://www.apfn.net/dcia/doping.html

I think they were trying to tell us something...

This Is Radio Clash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-t52zc8Ex4

This is Radio Clash from pirate satellite
Orbiting your living room
Cashing in the bill of rights
Cuban army surplus
Or refusing all third lights
This is Radio Clash on pirate satellite

This sound does not subscribe to the international plan
In the psyco shadow of the white right hand
Them that see ghettology as an urban Vietnam
Giving deadly exhibitions of murder by napalm

This is Radio Clash
Tearing up the seven veils
This is Radio Clash
Please save us, not the whales
This is Radio Clash
Underneath a mushroom cloud
This is Radio Clash
You don't need that funeral shroud

Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfers have been curbing
The end of liberty
Hands of law have sorted through
My identity
But now this sound is brave
And wants to be free
Anyway to be free

This is Radio Clash on pirate satellite
This is not Free Europe
Nor an armed force network
This is Radio Clash
Using audio ammunition
This is Radio Clash
Can we get that world to listen?
This is Radio Clash
Using aural ammunition
This is Radio Clash
Can we get that world to listen?
This is Radio Clash on pirate satellite
Orbiting your living room
Cashing in the bill of rights
This is Radio Clash on pirate satellite
This is Radio Clash
Everybody hold on tight

A-riggy diggy dig dang dang

Go back to urban 'Nam

Anybody know what "Curfers" means?

[aya_rei]

I'm not sure what to think about The Clash, which is "considered one of the most overtly political, explosive and exciting bands in rock and roll history. Their songs tackled social decay, unemployment, racism, police brutality, political and social repression, and militarism in detail."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Strummer Was Joe Strummer stepforded?

It is really confusing.

I'm almost convinced he rebelled against the program and was taken out the more I read.

Another thing I found interesting is how he up and left his old band to form The Clash so quick. The way it was presented in 'The Future Is Unwritten' made it almost look like some guy walked up to him, with this concept for a band and he was compelled to leave his bandmates and join this new band overnight.

Oh and thought I would add my own contribution to the growing amount of actresses who might share DNA:

From Gossip Girl fame Leighton Meester and fallen film star Winona Ryder:

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/leightonmeester1.jpg http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/Winona1.jpg

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/blondemeester.jpg http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/blondewinona.jpg

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/LeightonMeester2.jpg http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr217/aya_rei/Winona2.jpg


An interesting detail to note about them both: they have light hair and up until becoming brunette bombshells, their appeal/success was limited. Coincidence?

[lostworld]

An interesting detail to note about them both: they have light hair and up until becoming brunette bombshells, their appeal/success was limited. Coincidence?

Great comparisons Aya, thanks! :)

And about coincidence:
"There are no coincidences" as Faulcon always says... :p

[yeshua]

Hi 1977 and welcome! :)

Ah, David Bowie...

Now, there is another megastar up for discussion.
Often named as a possible case of replacement...

I always thought that David had such an unusual, almost "alien-looking" face that it would be impossible for them to replace him.
But then I started to look at some pics, comparing voices etc and now I really don't know what to think. :confused:

There seems to be a difference in height too...:rolleyes:

David Bowie, 1972
Seems very tall and skinny here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU&mode=related&search=


Fowie (false Bowie)? performing the same song,
from "the reality tour" :rolleyes: 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GljaNHyT2E&mode=related&search=



David interviewed, only 17 years old!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5zxeLwUSdk&feature=related

David, Russel Harty 1973
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMCLq3jnhk&feature=related

David, Dick Cavett 1974, part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThH2eGEtoA&feature=related


Fowie? at Parkinson 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWH4O9cXjzg


David Bowie
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4627/mpicdavidbowiejy9.jpghttp://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6019/bowiecolllrgbv0.jpghttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8325/ziggystardustdavidbowiefg6.jpg


Fowie?
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1452/cwp000620rt3.jpghttp://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4359/davidbowieposterc100875nf1.jpghttp://img82.imageshack.us/img82/662/davidbowie1dk5.jpg

Bowie's possible replacement is being discussed here:
http://60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=CelebRepl&action=display&thread=3024

I love David Bowie as an artist, so I'd hate to hear he was replaced. I do, however, prefer his work prior to the mid-80's so this theory would explain a lot. His voice changed too...

It's hard to tell with David Bowie though because he use to wear so much make and you rarely saw his real face. Anyway, anyone hear about his ex-wife claiming he's an alien? She also says John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix were aliens too.

It appears, though she does say she’s “uncertain about it these days”, that ex-Mrs. Bowie thought that her husband was… an alien.

I don’t think I can quote extended passages unless I’m doing an official book review, but let me summarize. In all seriousness, ex-Mrs. Bowie proposes that this race of highly-evolved aliens (called The Light People) watch over the Earth, as it’s a sort of science project to them. These extra-terrestrials monitor the world for crucial moments in the progression of humanity, and have the ability to inhabit human bodies, thus becoming the people who’ve helped propel our species much moreso than the average person. She says Galileo, Newton, Ghandi, Churchill, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, and Jimi Hendrix were also all “lit from within”.

[lostworld]

I saw these and just had to post them here!

So, just for fun guys... :D



http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6167/jessicasimpson02282gd1.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5121/81653579mo3.png

[lostworld]

Anyway, anyone hear about his ex-wife claiming he's an alien? She also says John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix were aliens too.

:eek: !

Did she say that?

I always thought Bowie looked like an alien (classic grey's facial features) and apparently he does too, judging by that poster I posted earlier...

But I never thought he could actually be one... :confused: :eek:

Any links to this info Yeshua?

[faulconandsnowjob]

Bowie’s Ex-Wife Says He’s An Alien
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/06/07/bowies-ex-wife-says-hes-an-alien/

I love stuff like this. It’s about a tell-all expose written by one of David Bowie’s ex-wives. Unfortunately, it doesn’t which one or what the name of the book is. But it does drop this bombshell:

It appears, though she does say she’s “uncertain about it these days”, that ex-Mrs. Bowie thought that her husband was… an alien.

I don’t think I can quote extended passages unless I’m doing an official book review, but let me summarize. In all seriousness, ex-Mrs. Bowie proposes that this race of highly-evolved aliens (called The Light People) watch over the Earth, as it’s a sort of science project to them. These extra-terrestrials monitor the world for crucial moments in the progression of humanity, and have the ability to inhabit human bodies, thus becoming the people who’ve helped propel our species much moreso than the average person. She says Galileo, Newton, Ghandi, Churchill, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, and Jimi Hendrix were also all “lit from within”.

This is the sort of thing that might normally just get passed over by most people. But you know how I am about this shit. Immediately upon reading this, I thought of half a dozen other references which “support” this - if not “realistically” then at least from a pop culture mythology perspective.

First of all, Bowie started in a totally tripped out movie called The Man Who Fell To Earth. If you like Bowie, and you’re into weird shit, then check this movie out. In it, he plays some kind of weird alien who comes to Earth, pretends to be a human and sells all kinds of alien technological ideas to get rich. . There’s also some freaky-ass scenes where his wife (or girlfriend, I forget) discovers he’s an alien.

If that wasn’t a weird connection on it’s own, supposedly this is the movie which inspired Philip K. Dick’s novel VALIS. Actually, let me rephrase that. In the novel VALIS, the characters go to see a tripped out movie called “Valis”. The movie he refers to here is supposed to be a fictionalized version of Bowie’s the Man Who Fell to Earth. In the book, Dick realizes that the movie contains secret mystical communications, and organizes a small group to go and meet the movie’s creators - a famous rock star. The rock star eventually reveals that he’s - you guessed it - an alien!

Besides that I also did some other research about Bowie’s interaction with alien phenomena. And since they brought it up, John Lennon also had a legacy of purported alien encounters. I also found reference to a forthcoming book called “Alien Rock” by Michael Lookman which goes into greater detail about the rock n roll/extraterrestrial connection. If anybody knows of other good leads or rumors on this subject, I’d love to hear them!

I want to add Paul McCartney & George Harrison to the list! (Yes, I believe that there are advanced beings from different dimensions that can take human form :))

David Bowie’s Alien Phenomena
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2004/12/08/david-bowies-alien-phenomena/

Following the trail of crazy alien shit started by the John Lennon 1974 UFO sighting, I found a fantastic page detailing various information about David Bowie and his experiences with various alien phenomena. Here are my favorite ones.

Roy Stockdill: “But Bowie was convinced their latest home was haunted too, and consulted a white witch. The witch told him - ‘You are a walk-in. You have come from another planet or galaxy. A human being has given you permission to inhabit his body.
‘Walk-ins have a divine mission to bring enlightenment. Usually, a walk-in survives no more than five years before he is destroyed.’…
Also, while I’m at it, let me link back to my post about that movie he did about being an alien, The Man Who Fell to Earth. Okay, back to the quotes:

David Bowie: “I used to work for two guys who put out a UFO magazine in England. About six years ago. And I made sightings six, seven times a night for about a year, when I was in the observatory.”
Rob Leggatt: “Tabloid rumours of rock star weirdness emerged almost as soon as the six-week New Mexico shoot began.. Bowie it was said, spent his spare time locked in a trailer scouring his library of 1,500 mystical books, consorting both with then wife Angie and heiress Sabrina Guinness and listening to ‘Young Americans’ played backward on a special turntable which made the recording sound like a Tibetan chant.”

Sh*t, I’m TOTALLY gonna play that song backwards later!

The famous science-fiction writer Philip K.Dick goes to see the film, with friends Tim Powers and K.W.Jeter, and he loves it. Since February 1974, Philip K.Dick has been (according to his own accounts) in contact with an alien intelligence, which transmits information to him. He listens to David Bowie albums for a while, along with K.W.Jeter, hoping to discern a sign from the alien realm.
That’s a reference to the Man Who Fell to Earth, referenced above. This next one’s really good too:

Raymond Shearer: “I think that each of us are being used as messengers. Bits and pieces of the puzzle are given to each of us. When enough of these pieces are assembled, an answer to the UFO mystery will be uncovered. I don’t know why they’re doing things this way - I just feel they’re doing it… For several months after my contact I did some crazy, irrational things. At least they were irrational when compared to my former conduct. I think they were programmed into me by the UFO people. They’re after some goal here on earth - whatever it may be. I break out into a cold sweat when I think of being a possible agent or spy for these people.”
I mean, that just sounds so goddamned much like Philip K. Dick’s novel, VALIS…

John Lennon's UFO
http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=542

The Night Aliens Called on John Lennon
http://ufocasebook.com/lennon.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rujGGM-hp1s

My new thread on cetaceans from beyond the stars:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49016

[faulconandsnowjob]

Jimi Hendrix - probably stepforded, too.

COVERT WAR ON ROCK BY ALEX CONSTANTINE SUMMARY
http://www.articlesbase.com/journalism-articles/covert-war-on-rock-by-alex-constantine-summary-514622.html

CHAPTER 7
JIMI HENDRIX POLITICAL HARASSMENT AND MURDER.

He didn't die from a drug overdose, he was not an out of control dope fiend. He was not a junkie.

FBI COUNTELPRO was out to do more than prevent a communist menace, from overtaking the U.S.! (or to control black power movement). It was out to obliterate its opposition and ruin the representatives of the people involved in the anti-war movement, Civil Rights Movement, and the rock revolution.

Hendrix manager, Mike Jeffery, by his own admission was an intelligence agent. He frequently boasted he had powerful underworld connections. There were many mafia managed "acts". The CIA/Mafia connection had exercised considerable influence in the music industry for decades. Hendrix wanted out of the contract. He felt he was under surveillance and felt more and more unsafe in New York, his former safe haven. His manager, thus, might have created a Toronto arrest, to silence Jimi. He preferred him to be isolated. He had always been a trusting and open person before, and now he didn't know who to trust.

He was getting 10 grand for a 50 grand concert. Hendrix friends said Jeffrey’s would get more money from a dead Hendrix than a living one. There was also a possible million dollar insurance policy in Jeffrey’s name.

Was Hendrix murdered? The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by vomit? The pathologist report left the cause of death open. Monica Danneman (investigator), had long insisted Hendrix was murdered. At the time of her own death, she had brought media attention to the case in a letter and highly publicized court battle. Monica's body was found in a fume-filled car near her home, in south England. It was called a suicide.

She had a lot of death threats, and people who knew her said "she didn't believe in the concept of suicide"

[lostworld]

Thanks Faulcon for posting on the alien-info.

This is total news to me...! :eek:

[lostworld]

Again, maybe this isn't so far fetched after all... :rolleyes:


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1466/davidbowiebillgrahampreov3.jpg

Who is he
What is he
Where did he come from

Is he a creature from a foreign power

crazy / sane / man / woman / robot :eek:
- what is he?

from here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThH2eGEtoA&feature=related

[yeshua]

http://www.pikosky.sk/Images/Zooey_Deschanel/Zooey_Deschanel-BlackBook-jun2008_h03.jpg
Zooey Deschanel, who I posted about earlier as a Katy Perry lookalike, had a role in the 2007 indie film The Good Life. Her role in the film was of a mysterious girl named Francis. Basically her character has two personalities, one her normal self and one where she thinks she's Judy Garland (Judy was an MK star herself and was the star of the biggest mind control film ever, The Wizard of Oz). There are so many clues to Mind Control in the film such as the reoccurring theme of Judy Garland and Dorothy, the use of blue and red throughout the film (blue and red are polarizing colors which combined make purple...interesting when you think about the use of those colors in American politics), the memory loss of different characters, the different personalities of characters, and the logo of the production company. The production company is FarFella films and when you put on the DVD to The Good Life you see their logo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIPV_1ZCoDU&feature=channel_page

That is pretty much self explanatory.

[lostworld]

Zooey Deschanel, who I posted about earlier as a Katy Perry lookalike, had a role in the 2007 indie film The Good Life.


Great info Yeshua, thanks a lot!

btw, I hope you check some posts back cause I answered your Kate/Zooey post earlier. My answer is #206.

[yeshua]

Thanks Yeshua for a great post!
God - they really look so much alike! :eek:

Yes, please keep posting.
I agree with them being MK too.

I read somewhere that Zooey (Oz) seems to be in a constant trance, judging by her eyes...

Zooey Deschanel
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7123/002405458367uj8.jpghttp://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9285/zooeydesch66690095rn8.jpg


Another girl with the same kind of trance eyes AND who also looks alot like Kate and Zooey, is Alexis Bledel.
Could they all be sharing the same DNA? (as we've been talking about in previous posts about other celebs)

Alexis Bledel
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5248/alexisblejean9506543600wg7.jpg


Since eyes are the window to the soul, a big key to mindcontrol/replacements is if the eyes seems off" somehow.
Since mindcontrol can be compared to hypnosis, it's not surprising that some of the MK's have this kinda stare...


Kate Perry the cat (cat alter)
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2397/l388cdc1225aa212786382agc9.jpg

Now that you mention it her eyes do look like that A LOT. It happens for a long period of time too. It would be interesting to find out if they do use the same DNA to create stars, At this point, I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

[lostworld]

Now that you mention it her eyes do look like that A LOT. It happens for a long period of time too. It would be interesting to find out if they do use the same DNA to create stars, At this point, I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

I am almost 100% convinced that they do!
What has worked before can work again - same as the movie sequal concept really. ;)

Did you see my posts on models looking alike and classic icon DNA perhaps being used? Please go back and check it out otherwise, post #103, 104, 105 and 106 AND 157 :)

Remember; always check a few posts back so you don't miss anything... :p

[1977]

I really found it interesting that Chapman's second choice after Lennon was David Bowie--did he get the "message"? It clearly freaked him out; after this we saw a clear change in the direction in his career.

But I assure you it is the same person. His voice lowered dramatically between 1974 and 1976, but that distinctive warble (the "Bowie histrionics") has remained consistent--I have heard many impersonators try and fail to duplicate it. Now, what is interesting is that those very years are the ones that Bowie claims he simply can't remember.

And someone has helpfully posted this video analysis of the Duke's consistently crooked English teeth: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtrjZRQ8TzU

I love David Bowie as an artist, so I'd hate to hear he was replaced. I do, however, prefer his work prior to the mid-80's so this theory would explain a lot. His voice changed too...

It's hard to tell with David Bowie though because he use to wear so much make and you rarely saw his real face. Anyway, anyone hear about his ex-wife claiming he's an alien? She also says John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix were aliens too.
I really wouldn't be surprised. The Man who Fell to Earth does seem eerily autobiographical somehow. But I once spent time reversing his songs looking for hidden messages from outer space and never found anything. ;)

He's always been a big believer in UFOs:
I wish I was smarter
I got so lost on the shore
I wish I was taller
Things really matter to me

But I put my face in tomorrow
I believe we're not alone
I believe in Beatles
I believe my little soul has grown

[faulconandsnowjob]

And someone has helpfully posted this video analysis of the Duke's consistently crooked English teeth:
I understand that teeth are easy to change/copy, for cosmetic or other reasons...

[1977]

I understand that teeth are easy to change/copy, for cosmetic or other reasons...
Then how is it even possible to tell? If he's been copied, it's a perfect clone. And from the site you linked, someone says,
I think Bowie was taller. Look at him when he gives the award to Aretha. Fowie is listed at 5'10. Bowie seems taller.
Bowie wore platform shoes almost constantly during the glam period, so this is easy to explain. But this is probably getting too off-topic; I was mostly interested in the Chapman connection.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Yeah, I know, it's tough, but you can also look at the eyes, the eyebrows, the ears (esp the lobes), the mouth, the nose, shape of the head, body hair, height, feet, hands, etc.

[lostworld]

Can I just say - since we talk about David Bowie & aliens now that "Life on Mars" is one of my favourite songs ever!

And - it will probably be played at my funeral, if there ever is one, lol :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k

[lostworld]

^ Yeah, I know, it's tough, but you can also look at the eyes, the eyebrows, the ears (esp the lobes), the mouth, the nose, shape of the head, body hair, height, feet, hands, etc.

Do you have any opinion regarding Bowie being replaced, Faulcon?
I know it's been discussed over at PID and on some of the other forums too...

[faulconandsnowjob]

Can I just say - since we talk about David Bowie & aliens now that "Life on Mars" is one of my favourite songs ever!
Check out my new cetaceans from beyond the stars thread :)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49016

Do you have any opinion regarding Bowie being replaced, Faulcon?
I'm getting that he wasn't replaced (but I need to look at more pics), but he could've been a walk-in. I believe that can cause a change in physical appearance...?

[yeshua]

Interesting video of Robbie Williams being pushed off of stage at one of his shows. Later on you see that the guy who pushed him claims that he pushed him because he's not the real Robbie Williams.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f00_1181285466

[yeshua]

SNL Actor Claims Wife and Child "replaced"

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/214388

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Holy smokes!

Rosato was arrested after repeatedly complaining to police that his wife and daughter had gone missing and were replaced by substitutes, explains Brodsky.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/214388

[faulconandsnowjob]

Lostworld, here's a good explanation on why I don't believe in "coincidence."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkuqDABTMo

Stepford Phil Ochs from COVERT WAR ON ROCK BY ALEX CONSTANTINE SUMMARY at
http://www.articlesbase.com/journalism-articles/covert-war-on-rock-by-alex-constantine-summary-514622.html

PHIL OCHS ( THE OUT LAW AND HIS BRAIN) MIND CONTRO AND MPD

"U.S. agents were able to destroy any persons reputation by inducing hysteria or excessive emotional responses, temporary or permanent insanity, suggest or encourage suicide , erase memory , invent double or triple personalities, inside ones mind."
---quote by the late Mae Brussells Operation Chaos investigator etc.

Ochs was a close chum of Bob Dylan , and thought Bob was the greatest poet ever. Ochs ,Bob, and Farina set out on the Folk minstrels path in the village in the early 1960's. Together with others they dragged folk music away from the migration camps and union halls into direct confrontation with the Eisenhower’s looming military-industrial complex. Ochs denounced the American politics in the "Cops of the world". song

" and when we've butchered your sons boys, have a stick of gum boys, we own half the world...."OH CAN YOU SEE"? AND THE NAME OF OUR PROFITS IS DEMOCRACY.

He was the ultimate dissident song quote" the comic and the beauty queen are dancing on the stage .The raw recruits are lining up like coffins in a cage." "Oh we are fighting in a war we lost before the war began"

Not long before he died, one night after too many drinks, he drew down the CIA Director Wm. Colby, director of the murderous Phoenix Project in Vietnam. He claimed he put a contract out on his life for 100,000 dollars. "I told Colby he's got a half of year to live or get out of Vietnam or he is dead. They can kill me but he is dead" he said.( He as well was certain that Gloria Steinem, editor of Ms. magazine and famous feminist is a CIA agent) Ochs was founder of the Yippee party, sang with protesters, and appeared as a witness for the trail of the Chicago Seven. His lyrics were considered so inflammatory that he was banned from the air-waves. The FBI did not refrain form amassing a huge file on him, and the feeling that he was never alone unnerved him. He wrote " take everything I own, take the tap from my phone, and leave my life alone, My life alone! He was tarred as a communist and a threat to national security. His friends said Ochs was convinced he would be assassinated. He was driven to drink by the radio black-listing his music and the ongoing surveillance and harassments and his nerve gave out. He lived in a perpetual state of paranoia His vocal cords were crushed by thugs.

He developed a right wing pseudo personality called John Train who he wrote about
( Beth’s note: Who created John Train? Was he like his good friend Joan Baez, a mind-controlled MPD(DID), from abuse and experimentation? On the first day of summer ,1975," Phil Ochs "was murdered in the Chelsea Hotel by John Train, Ochs said in a taped interview. "for the good of societies public and "secret," he needed to be gotten rid of." He also made reference to his Pseudo personality in song fragments in an album never recorded re: "Phil Ochs checked into the Chelse a Hotel, there was blood on his clothes, Train Train Train, the outlaw and his brain. (my note: I have read accounts of cloning since the 50's. Lots of hi-tech knowledge kept secret, including in Jim Keith’s book "Secret and Suppressed").

Ochs actually now believed he was working for the CIA., writes biographer Marc Elliot.( Ochs also referred to N.Y. Cornell Hospital in mysterious lists) "Train hinted that if Ochs had been a commercial success "they"(CIA) would have killed his host personality.. " Colby and Co. would have been more than happy to put a slug thru his head at that point, "said Train, the alternate personality. Ochs committed suicide on April 9, 1976, by hanging. This was the same year of the book " the Control of Candy Jones" by Donald Bain., ( a study of CIA mind control experimentation, Candy was also an MPD, created personalities, who carried out covert assignments , a marionette with an inner Nazi personality. She worked without her knowledge as a CIA op. for 12 years. Her final post-hypnotic command was suicide, which was intervened by her husband, talk show host John Nebel. ( the book is out of print, I have a copy) It is very probable that "John Train" was programmed to kill Philip Ochs the host personality.

[lostworld]

Check out my new cetaceans from beyond the stars thread :)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49016

Well, well - look at you... :)
Great thread!

I'm getting that he wasn't replaced (but I need to look at more pics), but he could've been a walk-in. I believe that can cause a change in physical appearance...?

Yes, apparently it can. I don't know so much about it though...

[lostworld]

Interesting video of Robbie Williams being pushed off of stage at one of his shows. Later on you see that the guy who pushed him claims that he pushed him because he's not the real Robbie Williams.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f00_1181285466

SNL Actor Claims Wife and Child "replaced"

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/214388

Great links, Yeshua thanks!

I've heard that story on Robbie Williams, but never seen it before...

AND, Robbie are very much into UFO's these days... ;)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/apr/19/popandrock.spaceexploration

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article909434.ece


Robbie as an ufologist
- I didn't even recognize him at first...
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2599/robbiebigjt0.jpg

[lostworld]

Lostworld, here's a good explanation on why I don't believe in "coincidence."


Ok, thanks!
Very interesting... :)

[lostworld]

Megan - are you for real?


Megan Fox
Possible clone/synthetic/robotoid

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7905/79801503mo3.jpghttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2703/77705571mk5.jpghttp://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9309/77696417gp8.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

That "gilded butterflies" reference is from King Lear, right? A recording of King Lear is being played at the end of "I Am the Walrus."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOKvonLrH8

You can hear this scene here:
http://www.geocities.com/the_end_gb/dmforum/walrus.htm

King Lear
Act IV, Scene VI

OSWALD
Out, dunghill!

EDGAR
Ch'ill pick your teeth, zir: come; no matter vor your foins.

[They fight]

OSWALD
Slave, thou hast slain me: villain, take my purse:
If ever thou wilt thrive, bury my body;
And give the letters which thou find'st about me
To Edmund earl of Gloucester; seek him out
Upon the British party: O, untimely death, death!

[Dies]

EDGAR
I know thee well: a serviceable villain;
As duteous to the vices of thy mistress
As badness would desire.

GLOUCESTER What, is he dead?

EDGAR
Sit you down, father; rest you

There's a synopsis of King Lear here: http://www.answers.com/king%20Lear#Synopsis

^ There seems to be some pretending to be someone they're not (Edgar).

Here's the part about gilded butterflies:

KING LEAR
No, no, no, no! Come, let's away to prison:
We two alone will sing like birds i' the cage:
When thou dost ask me blessing, I'll kneel down,
And ask of thee forgiveness: so we'll live,
And pray, and sing, and tell old tales, and laugh
At gilded butterflies, and hear poor rogues
Talk of court news; and we'll talk with them too,
Who loses and who wins; who's in, who's out;
And take upon's the mystery of things,
As if we were God's spies: and we'll wear out,
In a wall'd prison, packs and sects of great ones,
That ebb and flow by the moon.

http://www.web-books.com/Classics/Shakespeare/Lear/Lear5_2.htm

So, they're going to sit in prison & laugh at "gilded butterflies." "Gilded" means to give a false brilliance to something, so it smacks of artificiality. A butterfly is often associated w/ metamorphosis. Well, I don't know what it meant to Shakespeare, but it has an interesting interpretation in the mind-control context.

[lostworld]

That "gilded butterflies" reference is from King Lear, right?
So, they're going to sit in prison & laugh at "gilded butterflies." "Gilded" means to give a false brilliance to something, so it smacks of artificiality. A butterfly is often associated w/ metamorphosis. Well, I don't know what it meant to Shakespeare, but it has an interesting interpretation in the mind-control context.

Yep, correct.
Very good Faulcon!
Interesting Beatles connection there too.

I wrote about her tattoo (aka marking) & the butterfly girls in an earlier post but things are speeding up so fast here now (yay!) that it seems that it's easy to miss some if you don't check a few posts back... So, please do, ok. :p

Hers is my previous post about it, #203:

Angelina and Megan - marked for the illuminati?


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4688/83958992gw0.jpghttp://img141.imageshack.us/img141/470/83959125xb0.jpghttp://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4619/77696417ba6.jpg


"We will all laugh at gilded butterflies" Megan's tattoo says.
The words are from here:

King Lear, Act V, Scene 3

KING LEAR
No, no, no, no! Come, let's away to prison
(the zebras/black and white - my comment)

We two alone will sing like birds i' the cage
When thou dost ask me blessing, I'll kneel down,
And ask of thee forgiveness: so we'll live,
And pray, and sing, and tell old tales, and laugh
At gilded butterflies

In mindcontrol, the term "butterfly" is a sexual trauma based part the programming (the girl is being raped while her legs are spread like a butterfly's wings...).

Just like there are the kittens, the zebra's and the Marilyn's there's also the butterfly girls. These are not separate things though, they all seem to have the same kind of basic programming so one day you'll see them in black and white (zebra). another day as Marilyn and the third day as a butterfly... some girls are more stuck in one role than others though.

Perfect example of this is the butterfly girl - Mariah Carey (who's program broke down a couple of years ago, remember?)
Mariah is also programmed with rainbows ("Somewhere over the rainbow"/the Wizard of Oz). Both Butterfly and Rainbow are previous album titles of hers...


Ring marked butterfly girl
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2005/mariahcarey400ol8.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/685/3c05224128a0c03dab41601dp1.jpghttp://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4725/4vpgidili5.jpg


The girl of Oz
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8095/252794yp8.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2662/217214d15c234e779b10176sr6.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9025/mariahcarey6ac6np0.jpg

[lostworld]

On PID (Paul is dead) Pacifida posted this:

Check it out: :)
http://www.fash-eccentric.com/2008/10/halloween-101-party-like-a-rock-star/



My answer:

Great Pacifida, thanks!

Interesting numbers in there too... :rolleyes:

Vogue US’s Rock The House (November, 2001) editorial, "Halloween 101, party like a rock star"

Halloween 101 = 11, Halloween = occult worship
November = 11
2001 = 2 number 1 = 11 OR 2+1 = 3
Total: 3x11 = 33

In Freemasonry 33 is the highest degree there is...

11 is a "master number or "power number" as most numerologists will testify. Number 11 is associated with someone who is on a higher plane of existence.
The Hebrews concider it to be a bad number.
The general number of magic or sorcery and magicians. The individual in confrontation with the world. The number of war and the battle with the demonic element (The images of the destruction played over and over (at 9/11) again could certainly be considered mind-control-sorcery).
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

The numbers 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 33 , 39 have special meaning to the ELITE Freemasons.

Another interpretation is:
Halloween 101 = 1+1 = 2
November = 11=1+1 = 2
2001 = 2x1 = 2

Number 2 for the twin, the double, duality (mindcontrol and replacements)

And, the Beatles girls look very clonish btw...

Vogue US, Nov 2001
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5508/3577d0f98de9dh0.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7744/1f5f95a1b405bv7.jpg

[faulconandsnowjob]

Ok, I think this picture is really weird. Is it just me, or does Dana Carvey's wife look like him in drag? I mean, she seems to have even the same Adam's apple :confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/CorporateA/dana1998.jpg

Seriously reminds me of Bosom Buddies :eek:

http://www.classictvhits.com/shows/344.jpghttp://jtv.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bosom.jpg

[1977]

The butterfly is also symbolic of the soul. "Psyche" in Greek = "butterfly" = "soul". This may be the meaning behind Shakespeare's usage.