Stepford wives

[mistyblue]

Yep, Charlie Sheen looks "Stepforded" alright. He goes into "Rehab" a drug addled, out-of-control, satyr and comes out Super Dad, family man. Riiiight! It could be it's just damage control. Or maybe they parade out his alternate who is a devoted dad. And yes, he does look demonic in that last pic.

As for Ali Lohan, I'm tending to think it's not the same person. TPTB could be ROFLTAO that they can put a completely different person out there and say it's the same person, someone who doesn't even look especially like them, and people will buy it. Why waste time and money when a cheap imitation will do? Maybe they have one of their photographers snap a pic and call it "Ali Lohan" to gage the public's awareness and level of gullibility. If they buy it, good for them, if not, then then it could be said it was just the photographers mistake. Are there any recorded interviews with Ali Lohan looking like this? I'd like to see her speaking.

Misty

[driscol]

Not to mention he suddenly lost his mind out of nowhere and last time I remember seeing him outside of movies and crappy sitcoms was him talking about the 9-11 conspiracy shit.
Seems fairly convenient, although his actions leading up seem to imply more of an MK ultra type of feel. Maybe he was desperately trying to remain in the public eye so they couldn't kill him without questions being asked so they replaced him instead, or maybe he was brainwashed.

Still looks the same to me.

[whale]

I think something may have happened to Matt Le Blanc unless this is a photoshop
http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/matt-leblanc/matt-leblanc-20050904-68371.jpg

[oneofthemasses]

http://www.thefablife.com/files/2011/09/ali_lohan_new_face.jpg

I'm with you for that one Holy crap! :eek:

There definetely not the same person!

Scary shit indeed. When I first saw the photo I thought no way that's the same person. Impossible. The eyes look completely different. What?!

However, when I looked at each part of her face carefully (starting at the bottom) it does look highly*probable* that it is indeed the same person. The main features are the same if you look at them individually. If I had to guess, she's had a mini face lift/facial tighening/filler injections, facial resurfacing/collegen injections/laser to remove freckles and lighten skin tone, cheek implants, lip filler, possible dental work (this I cannot explain as her smile looks perfect in the other before pics), injections or surgery around the eyes, and a significant loss of weight.

I'd say she's mentally ill/suffered a breakdown/drug addiction to undergo such procedures at her age and with her previous looks, or has been forced to get the work done by her family or a very bad plastic surgeon, or yes, she has in fact been brainwashed/MK'd/stepforded for whatever reason. I do not think she's been replaced or cloned, because if that is the case, that is an ultimate fail. She's a mess. If that was the result, they would have been more believable if they just silently killed her off in a "car accident" or "overdose", etc.

She looks like she's aged MORE than 10 years in 2 years.

Either way, scary.

[dedesuperman]

Concerning about Ali Lohan would somebody have noticed that the original would have beautiful teeth and aligned well and while that which the media say that it is the same one ( the replaced one: my opinion) if we look closely at the picture below you will notice than the double has space between its teeth (shown by 2 red arrow)! :confused: :eek:

http://crowdfusion.myspacecdn.com/media/ali-lohan-03tj8bx7fp3ud-621x322.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac251/andre1960/alidoubleteeth-1.png

I do not believe that she would have changed the shape of all its teeth, that would not have any logical sense!! What do you think? Maybe I have a good point!

If we compared with Paul McCartney we can say she is not a good double :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdzoMKZStI&feature=player_detailpage#t=89s

[whale]

Yeah, those teeth.

Ciara veers from beautiful to pointy chin, but does the symbols
have to date the photos first
http://whale.to/c/rnoi2fa1ciara.jpghttp://whale.to/b/ciara.51.jpghttp://whale.to/b/ciara.50.jpg
Silence & One Eye symbol

http://whale.to/c/q0bb9vblciara.jpg
hanging out with satanists

Not sure when taken so can't draw any conclusions
http://whale.to/b/01vtppndciara.jpghttp://whale.to/b/9woqjcwnciairxx.jpg
Sanpaku a bit on right

[klc_infowarrior]

Yeah, those teeth.
http://whale.to/b/9woqjcwnciairxx.jpg
Sanpaku a bit on right

she looks like alicia keys here :eek:
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going back to the teeth comparison I notice it all the time. Just the other day I checked out Madonna from 1980's till 2011 and the gap between the front teeth appears & disappears over time :rolleyes:

http://jspivey.wikispaces.com/file/view/600px-the_first_album.jpg/75858047/600px-the_first_album.jpg


http://0.tqn.com/d/jewelry/1/0/u/1/1/Madonna-Sunglasses-Venice-2011.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_23nRWrEZ6d8/TR_YgGhqW8I/AAAAAAAAAHw/buCi4S6ldVU/S660/madonna2.jpg

http://www.mamarazzi.org/images/madonna/madonna-1.jpg

http://emmasofiadedorson.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/madonna.jpg







ALSO

when charlie sheen was busted partying it up...TMZ posted a pic of charlie with mangled teeth.
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/03/0203-charlie-sheen-tmz-credit.jpg

YET the TV charlie sheen seems to have perfect teeth:
http://obama.net/wp-content/uploads/charlie-sheen-smile.jpg

make of it what you will.

[grandmasta]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4032/l0gj1.jpg


I did a mistake.. I cut the text on tmz site that was: "There's two sides to every wardrobe."

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Ali Lohan's big sister is speaking out!

Just one day after the rumor mill went into maximum overdrive with speculation that the 17-year-old aspiring model may have had a little work done on her face, sibling Lindsay Lohan is setting the record straight.

MORE: Ali Lohan Signs Modeling Contract—Is She Officially More Bankable Than Lindsay?

"She has never," Lindsay tells E! News exclusively regarding all the talk that Ali must have turned to plastic surgery to achieve her so-called "new" look.

Fair enough.

However, it's still hard to argue that Ali hasn't done something to alter her appearance in such a dramatic fashion within just the span of a couple of years (and we don't mean removing those blue contact lenses). So, if not a nip/tuck, then what?

Well, a source close to the family tells us that "Ali just lost a lot of weight."

What's more, Alexis Borges, the agency director at Next Model Management, which represents Ali, tells E! News:

"Contrary to recent reports, I can confirm that Aliana Lohan has not had any surgery. As a young girl who is growing up, it's natural for her facial features to change slightly, and we see this with many of the younger models we represent. Aliana is a beautiful 17-year-old girl who is growing into her face and body, as is the norm for someone of her age. We take pastoral care of our models very seriously and encourage the models to maintain a healthy lifestyle and body shape."

And there you have it, straight from Team Lohan.

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/ali_lohan_plastic_surgery/262553#ixzz1Xg9fUfXw



OK, so Ali Lohan has a new look. OK, so Lindsay Lohan has her sister's back. OK, so the younger Lohan's modeling agency has attempted to shut down plastic-surgery specuation with a statement that chalks up Ali's transformation to "pastoral care" and the "natural" aging process.

OK, so that last part raised Conspiracy Corner's eyebrows almost as dramatically as Ali Lohan's.

And, no, we're not talking about pastoral care, whatever that is.

RELATED: What does Lindsay Lohan think about her sister's new look?

To wit: Does a 17-year-old, like Ali Lohan, really have a "natural" aging process? One that would radically alter one's appearance?

It was time to call in a forensic expert, because even though no crime had been committed or alleged, it seemed like the official-sounding thing to do.

Diana Trepkov, a forensic artist who has created age-progression sketches of young adults and children, and is the author of the just-released Faceless, Voiceless, answered the call, and agreed to look over a side-by-side Ali Lohan photo comparison.

Her opinion?

It's possible.

Age, time and the understructure of the human skull may well have naturally turned young Ali Lohan into a somewhat-older Jennifer Connelly.

"As a girl maturing into adulthood, [a] face will change dramatically," Trepkov told us in an email.

And not just a girl's face, but a girl's eyebrows, too.

"At around the age of 17 and up, the brow does become thicker," Trepkov said. "Especially, once makeup is applied to the brows, the whole face changes the previous look."

As for the understructure of the human skull, Trepkov said that comes to the fore at about Ali Lohan's age.

"The baby fat usually has disappeared, and a young adult face appears," she said.

Case closed?

Well, Ali Lohan is a Lohan, so there is some interfamily business to sort out.

Speaking to Radar Online, father Michael Lohan said it was "scary to see [his] daughter looking like this," and essentially argued a "drastic" weight loss (as opposed to surgery) was behind Ali Lohan's metamorphosis. (For what it's worth, Trepkov said "leaner" facial appearances are to be expected in older teens.)

Speaking to E! News, mother Dina Lohan said her ex-husband "needs to focus on his sobriety and paying child support and stop trying to destroy another one [of] our children's lives." She also said she "100 percent" supported Next Model Management's version of things.

And finally, Ali's very own rep made his mark on the discussion today, saying in a statement to E! News:

"Aliana has never had any type of plastic surgery in her life, nor has she ever considered it. Her success as a model lies with her natural looks and she has no interest in changing that. During the past two years, she has gone through a normal teenage growth spurt that has made her taller and slimmer. It has also slightly changed the composure of her face, all of which is typical of what happens to kids in their mid to late teens. It's what most people refer to as the awkward stage. Ali is growing up; that's all."

Case closed?

Probably not.

If, according to Trepkov, "the human head is truly fascinating," then a Lohan head is never less so.

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/ali_lohans_face_natural_scary/262784#ixzz1XgC4Li7f



LOL at what the "expert specialist" said.

[driscol]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4032/l0gj1.jpg


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LOL at what the "expert specialist" said.
Ok now that is weird. My face never changed that drastically as I aged. Her skin tone changed completely.
Reminds me of when people argued that MJ never had surgery.

[pound]

http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1315477399d0aa44f1fa.jpg


YUP!!! Ali Lohan JUST got replaced!!!! Poor girl didnt make it to 18.:(

Wow! Talk about a stark, abrupt change in physical appearance.:eek: I'm presently trying to wrap my head around this whole bizarre ordeal. Can anyone confirm any dates for these before and after photographs?

If plastic surgery really was the reason for her new appearance, is it even possible for her face to have healed in such a short period of time? Had she taken some sort of hiatus prior to the release of these photos? I've seen Ali here and there, but I never kept up with anything she was doing. I would really like to think that the girl simply got some plastic surgery done and lost a few pounds-but my intuitive sensibilities are instinctively telling me otherwise. Just thinking about what they might have done to the real Ali is quite terrifying.:(

[dedesuperman]

Wow! Talk about a stark, abrupt change in physical appearance.:eek: I'm presently trying to wrap my head around this whole bizarre ordeal. Can anyone confirm any dates for these before and after photographs?

If plastic surgery really was the reason for her new appearance, is it even possible for her face to have healed in such a short period of time? Had she taken some sort of hiatus prior to the release of these photos? I've seen Ali here and there, but I never kept up with anything she was doing. I would really like to think that the girl simply got some plastic surgery done and lost a few pounds-but my intuitive sensibilities are instinctively telling me otherwise. Just thinking about what they might have done to the real Ali is quite terrifying.:(

http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1315477399d0aa44f1fa.jpg

Personally by looking at these 2 pictures one beside the other I find that there is no resemblance between the 2, I see 2 person distinct.

I have difficulty in conceiving that the person (original Ali very pretty) that we see on the left picture became a ugly person thinned down with this pace rachitic (the same or the one who replace her) Usually we tried to work to keep a good appearance and not to become ugly and skeletal unless having psychological problems.

[carma]

Ιt would help our research if there was a way of comparing their forehead's size and shape.

[cantata]

Concerning about Ali Lohan would somebody have noticed that the original would have beautiful teeth and aligned well and while that which the media say that it is the same one ( the replaced one: my opinion) if we look closely at the picture below you will notice than the double has space between its teeth (shown by 2 red arrow)! :confused: :eek:

http://crowdfusion.myspacecdn.com/media/ali-lohan-03tj8bx7fp3ud-621x322.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac251/andre1960/alidoubleteeth-1.png

I do not believe that she would have changed the shape of all its teeth, that would not have any logical sense!! What do you think? Maybe I have a good point!

If we compared with Paul McCartney we can say she is not a good double :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdzoMKZStI&feature=player_detailpage#t=89s

The teeth are good points. Americans are known to be incredibly fussy about teeth and most American starlets will get dental work done - but to make their teeth better, not worse! The Real Ali's teeth are white and even. Why one earth would she have them changed to gappy, uneven and mucky looking?

Just the whole thing in comparison sits wrong: The Before Pictures show a sunny young American woman portraying the Wholesome Girl Look so favoured in the USA; the After Pictures show a typical slav: drawn, gaunt, grey.....

What are they doing with these missing people?

:(

[the_mighty_tron]

Just the whole thing in comparison sits wrong: The Before Pictures show a sunny young American woman portraying the Wholesome Girl Look so favoured in the USA; the After Pictures show a typical slav: drawn, gaunt, grey.....

What are they doing with these missing people?

:(

Either they didnt survive the rituals or they were feed to the lizards who knows?

My theory of this whole thing is that the elites are prepping "Ali Lohan" to be the new "Front runner" or "IT" girl sort of speak. I believe its pretty damn obvious by now that Lindsey Lohan will be in the 27 club. This Ali character is going to pick up from there.

[driscol]

The teeth are good points. Americans are known to be incredibly fussy about teeth and most American starlets will get dental work done - but to make their teeth better, not worse! The Real Ali's teeth are white and even. Why one earth would she have them changed to gappy, uneven and mucky looking?

Just the whole thing in comparison sits wrong: The Before Pictures show a sunny young American woman portraying the Wholesome Girl Look so favoured in the USA; the After Pictures show a typical slav: drawn, gaunt, grey.....

What are they doing with these missing people?

:(
celebrities yes but I live in the states and I assure you we don't care that much about our teeth. The "Americans" you see on television represented as the real people are almost always the picture perfect or at least presentable figure that barely looks human to me.

I can't think of a single person I know over the age of 25 that has nice teeth or even normal looking teeth (assuming some missing or rotting is not normal)

[cantata]

celebrities yes but I live in the states and I assure you we don't care that much about our teeth. The "Americans" you see on television represented as the real people are almost always the picture perfect or at least presentable figure that barely looks human to me.

I can't think of a single person I know over the age of 25 that has nice teeth or even normal looking teeth (assuming some missing or rotting is not normal)

Point taken :) Of course I was wrong to tar all Americans with the same brush (or any race/nation with the same brush). :)

[driscol]

Point taken :) Of course I was wrong to tar all Americans with the same brush (or any race/nation with the same brush). :)

Thanks but I wouldn't call it wrong, just giving you a bit of my perspective on that matter. I can't get offended if somebody accuses my people of having nice teeth :D

[klc_infowarrior]

Look at all the blog chatter over ali lohans new look
http://www.google.com/nwshp?oe=utf8&ie=utf8&source=uds&q=ali+lohan&hl=en&start=0


one plastic surgeon even went as far as too suggest that young girls are using botox now to look older :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[greydove]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/14/megan-fox-im-not-an-android/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/09/14/t1larg.meganfox.jpg

Megan Fox: I'm not an android

She may look otherworldly, but super-sexy movie star Megan Fox tells Moviefone she wants to appear more “human.”

In the interview, Fox, 25, says she feels that people see her as a "glorified pin-up girl.” She adds, “I feel people think I'm almost like a robot — like an android...I just don't really get portrayed as someone who has feelings or who is sympathetic… like a self-absorbed ice queen.”

Films like “Jennifer’s Body” or “Transformers” feature characters who are “not necessarily [people] you connect with." As Fox puts it, there aren't "real people necessarily who exist like that - the glossy lips in the middle of the desert.”

The actress wants to combat this image, and says she’s trying to find roles that are “more human,” like her character in the upcoming comedy “Friends with Kids.”

Fox explains that her character Mary Jane is a bit warmer than, say, “Transformers.” For one thing, she's “not a jerk or an asshole.” That's a start!

“I love working on comedy film sets,” Fox said of the experience. “They have been the most wonderful experiences and they are nice, kind, fun people.”

In addition to rehabbing her image, the actress noted another perk of doing a comedy: because of her work on “Friends with Kids,” producer Judd Apatow expressed interested in putting her in a movie.

[indigo girl]

The teeth are good points. Americans are known to be incredibly fussy about teeth and most American starlets will get dental work done - but to make their teeth better, not worse! The Real Ali's teeth are white and even. Why one earth would she have them changed to gappy, uneven and mucky looking?

Just the whole thing in comparison sits wrong: The Before Pictures show a sunny young American woman portraying the Wholesome Girl Look so favoured in the USA; the After Pictures show a typical slav: drawn, gaunt, grey.....

What are they doing with these missing people?

:(

This doesn't look like anything more sinister than anorexia to me. The teeth actually confirm that because malnutrition and/or acid from vomitting will rot out tooth enamel. The dramatic change in her facial features simply look like she's deliberately wasting away.

[steppenwolf]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/14/megan-fox-im-not-an-android/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/09/14/t1larg.meganfox.jpg

Megan Fox: I'm not an android

She may look otherworldly, but super-sexy movie star Megan Fox tells Moviefone she wants to appear more “human.”

In the interview, Fox, 25, says she feels that people see her as a "glorified pin-up girl.” She adds, “I feel people think I'm almost like a robot — like an android...I just don't really get portrayed as someone who has feelings or who is sympathetic… like a self-absorbed ice queen.”

Films like “Jennifer’s Body” or “Transformers” feature characters who are “not necessarily [people] you connect with." As Fox puts it, there aren't "real people necessarily who exist like that - the glossy lips in the middle of the desert.”

The actress wants to combat this image, and says she’s trying to find roles that are “more human,” like her character in the upcoming comedy “Friends with Kids.”

Fox explains that her character Mary Jane is a bit warmer than, say, “Transformers.” For one thing, she's “not a jerk or an asshole.” That's a start!

“I love working on comedy film sets,” Fox said of the experience. “They have been the most wonderful experiences and they are nice, kind, fun people.”

In addition to rehabbing her image, the actress noted another perk of doing a comedy: because of her work on “Friends with Kids,” producer Judd Apatow expressed interested in putting her in a movie.

Wow. Yeah, she's trying sooo hard to come across as human! LOL! I'm not saying I believe every celeb is a replicant(perhaps) but...I mean...c'mon...

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/eyeDEEclaire/megan_and_mannequin_3_by_webdoll-d368qc7.png
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/eyeDEEclaire/megmanniquin2.png
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/eyeDEEclaire/meganmanniquin1.jpg

She actually looks the least human trying to prove she didn't have botox! Kinda reminds me of a Japanimation character here:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/eyeDEEclaire/Megan_Fox_2011_Botox_photos1.jpg

And she has toe thumbs!:D

[beyonddimensions]

There is no way those two are the same person.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4032/l0gj1.jpg


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LOL at what the "expert specialist" said.

[astrochicken]

http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1315477399d0aa44f1fa.jpg

Personally by looking at these 2 pictures one beside the other I find that there is no resemblance between the 2, I see 2 person distinct.

I have difficulty in conceiving that the person (original Ali very pretty) that we see on the left picture became a ugly person thinned down with this pace rachitic (the same or the one who replace her) Usually we tried to work to keep a good appearance and not to become ugly and skeletal unless having psychological problems.
The teeth are good points. Americans are known to be incredibly fussy about teeth and most American starlets will get dental work done - but to make their teeth better, not worse! The Real Ali's teeth are white and even. Why one earth would she have them changed to gappy, uneven and mucky looking?

Just the whole thing in comparison sits wrong: The Before Pictures show a sunny young American woman portraying the Wholesome Girl Look so favoured in the USA; the After Pictures show a typical slav: drawn, gaunt, grey.....

What are they doing with these missing people?

:(



I love this thread and people are most definitely being stepforded & cloned but the
*research* and quality of posts, when compared to the first 1000 pages or so, is lagging.

Crystal Meth and Anorexia accounts for a lot of the *changes*, ie gaunt-looking and deteriorating
teeth.. nothing a few good meals and a couple of trips to the dentist wouldn't fix.

C'mon folks.

[cotarddelusion]

Wow, I can't believe Whale posted about the same thing I was working on. The Beatles. Of course we've all heard about the Beatles-Tavistock connection. Only those of us who were around B.B. (before Beatles :)) know what a phenomenon they really were. There has never been another band like them since. There was complete Beatlemania. The drug culture came on the scene the same time the Beatles did. Something triggered me to take a closer look at them, and I was working on this just last night.
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/beatles1.jpg
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/Beatles2.jpg
Misty

WOW!

Ive only recently heard about the sanpaku phenomenon. Its fascinating yet very very creepy. Its ever so bizarre that the entire band, and one of the worlds biggest bands of all time... are ALL sanpaku.

I believe sanpaku has many causes, but in such a case as the beetles, the kennedys and many others, is a sign of a MK ultra victim. Its the look I associate with hypnosis, being like "a zombie" and death.

I have a friend who is VERY sanpaku. She suffers from psychosis and has drug problems. People describe her as a "zombie" or just "from another planet" in her present state. Its very very tragic. Its the same with most celebrities, especially those who are sanpaku. Some in the worst cases can barely think a single thing out for themselves, and Im guessing they are used like empty computer hard-drives to be filled with whatever information is required.

http://www.topnews.in/light/files/leona-lewis.jpg
Leona Lewis looking lovely, fresh and happy before.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj3w83rLAg1qdb8awo1_500.jpg
Looking gaunt, depressive and sanpaku for a recent shoot. Yuck.

Its hard to tell though whether they are made to look "sanpaku" or whether its how they actually look now, but regardless, the industry want us to embrace this zombie-like state as "beautiful" and "exotic". Trying to hypnotize us with this unusual appearance.

I remember feeling very freaked out by the appearance of brittany murphy before she died... she looked as though she was staring the devil right in the eyes...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/12/21/1261386646900/Alicia-Silverstone-Britta-001.jpg
In the middle before...

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/ugly-brittany-murphy_421x309.jpg
Looking full of trauma near the end...

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2008/02/brittany-murphy-puckers-up.jpg

[cotarddelusion]

http://cdn02.cdnwp.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/07/Ali-Lohan-400x300.jpg

Two different people.

A further comparison:

http://crowdfusion.myspacecdn.com/media/ali-lohan-03tj8bx7fp3ud-621x322.jpghttp://cbskmvq.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ali_lohan.jpg?w=385&h=240http://img.buzznet.com/assets/imgx/1/7/7/7/2/3/6/1/orig-17772361.jpg

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/imagecache/350width/ali-lohan-plastic-surgery-modeling-splash_1.jpghttp://skinnyvscurvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ali-lohan-2009.jpg

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/ali-lohan-s-skinny-look-generates-plastic-surgery.jpg

http://www.splashnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/AliLohanPlastic-wm900.jpg

She looks like she has found herself in the realm of the unwell with all the other brainwashed celebs... this must be the work of some kind of nasty drug shes been put on turning her into a sick looking waif...

[necromercurian]

Ali Lohans eyes appear to be green flecked with brown in the majority of photos from 2008. She's hardly wearing dark brown contact lenses all the time now since her overhaul, including for the papp shoot? Also, neo-Alis' hair line now parts naturally lower in her hair. Bets are, neo-Ali is about a foot taller too. yeesh!

[driscol]

can someone explain this Sanpaku thing to me? It seems to be referring to the large pupils but what is it supposed to mean?
There's plenty of times when my pupils are large, sometimes covering most of the iris, and I know I'm not an alien replacement for myself.

[mistyblue]

can someone explain this Sanpaku thing to me? It seems to be referring to the large pupils but what is it supposed to mean?
There's plenty of times when my pupils are large, sometimes covering most of the iris, and I know I'm not an alien replacement for myself.

Driscol -go back to my first post on page 1160 and you will understand. It's about 3 white showing around their eyes indicates a compromised nervous system or physical problem such as alcohol or drug addiction or near death.

Misty

[ariawynn]

I've been reading this thread for a long time, but this is my first post, as it is time to speak out!

I have read a lot on the clones and replacements theory on various sites, but have yet to see any proof. I have given it every consideration, however comparing photos grabbed off the internet without knowing if they have been altered/photo-shopped is so unreliable it amounts to little more than gossip.

I also think you must consider plastic surgery and all its variations (botox, fillers, etc.) Substance abuse, weight loss/gain, ageing any number of things that must be considered before jumping to " its a Clone, They've been replaced". Come on, Where is the science? Where is the proof? Please share it if you have it!

[grandmasta]

Cult Leaders and sanpaku:

Osho

http://www.otoons.de/osho/images/osho_eyes1.jpg

Marshall Applewihte

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/marshall-applewhite.jpg

Helena Blavatsky:

http://theosopher.net/mw/images/f/fe/Hpb.jpg

[mistyblue]

Good ones Grandmasta. Here's some more.
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers.jpg
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/KILLERS4.jpg
In addition:
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers3.jpg
Misty

[discerning mind]

looks like lip filler there. So, if we go with your theory, u replace a top tier person, how do you deal with all her/his friends/rels from noticing?

I don't know, you tell me. You're the people with all the theories to explain everything. In your world there's no such thing as plastic surgery for vanity purposes. In your world everybody's being replaced with cloned synthetics, including all of their friends and family, and all of the friends and family of the friends and family, and then all the friends and family of the friends and family of the friends and family, and all the friends and family of their friends and family of the friends and family of the original friends and family, until eventually everybody on the entire planet has been replaced in order to keep THE BIG SECRET.

:rolleyes:

It doesn't mean replacement never happens or isn't possible, I'm sure it does and has. But again it's probably only happening with top tier people. Not Z list people like Ali Lohan who most people don't even know about. As far as what they do with the friends and family, who knows. But I don't think it's replacing all the friends and family of the friends and family of the friends and family, and all the friends and family of their friends and family of the friends and family of the original friends and family. Like you're implying.

Somebody else on here said that they think Ali Lohan is going to be some next big thing, taking Lindsay's place and this explains why she was replaced. Are you kidding me? She hasn't done anything. At her age Lindsay had already been acting for years with high profile stars in big name movies. Ali hasn't demonstrated talent for anything and whatever few people know about her only know about her because she's always photographed with her sister. And now that she looks like an 85 pound beanpole with gray skin and effed up cheek implants and lip filler she's really never going to be going anywhere. Next big thing my ass.

[discerning mind]

ALSO

when charlie sheen was busted partying it up...TMZ posted a pic of charlie with mangled teeth.
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/03/0203-charlie-sheen-tmz-credit.jpg

YET the TV charlie sheen seems to have perfect teeth:
http://obama.net/wp-content/uploads/charlie-sheen-smile.jpg

make of it what you will.


Yeah, it's called dentures. If you think Hollywood lets the co-star of a hit TV show go in front of the camera with chompers that look like the top photo think again. Most everybody in Hollywood is sporting either fake teeth or veneers of some sort. I read an interview with one of the prostitutes who Charlie gave $30K to and I think it was her who said he was complaining about the dentures and what a pain in the ass they are.

And Charlie Sheen's erratic personality switching? It's called heavy drug use, self admitted bi polar disorder, and probably some multiple personality disorder and possession/entity attachments. The big conspiracy in Hollywood is how normal, nice good looking stars can fall so far, so fast. It's the nature of the hollywood machine and what it does to people. It eats people up and spits them out and requires that you sell your soul. And most do. Most people would do anything for millions of dollars, fame, and the lifestyle. Next thing they know they're expected to sleep with nasty people, they've got every kind of drug imaginable being shoved at them on a silver platter, they're surrounded by fake soulless pariahs, they can't trust anybody, all the important people start going to work on their physical image telling them they need to lose mass amounts of weight and chop up their face if they want to keep getting jobs, and they're watching all kinds of unsavory activity happening around them. Probably including occult rituals. Then they pay the price. They have mental meltdowns, major drug addictions, botched plastic surgery and start looking like empty shells or they change from looking young and innocent to hard. They become somebody else but not necessarily in the way some people here think. That's the big conspiracy. That's what Dave Chapelle was talking about in his infamous "Inside the Actor's Studio" interview.

imo Charlie Sheen's wouldn't be worth replacing. I don't think most of these stars are. It would be far easier and convenient for these mysterious clone makers to just kill somebody off then it would be to go through all the trouble you think they go through.

[bobthegoon]

I don't know, you tell me. You're the people with all the theories to explain everything. In your world there's no such thing as plastic surgery for vanity purposes. In your world everybody's being replaced with cloned synthetics, including all of their friends and family, and all of the friends and family of the friends and family, and then all the friends and family of the friends and family of the friends and family, and all the friends and family of their friends and family of the friends and family of the original friends and family, until eventually everybody on the entire planet has been replaced in order to keep THE BIG SECRET.

:rolleyes:

It doesn't mean replacement never happens or isn't possible, I'm sure it does and has. But again it's probably only happening with top tier people. Not Z list people like Ali Lohan who most people don't even know about. As far as what they do with the friends and family, who knows. But I don't think it's replacing all the friends and family of the friends and family of the friends and family, and all the friends and family of their friends and family of the friends and family of the original friends and family. Like you're implying.

Somebody else on here said that they think Ali Lohan is going to be some next big thing, taking Lindsay's place and this explains why she was replaced. Are you kidding me? She hasn't done anything. At her age Lindsay had already been acting for years with high profile stars in big name movies. Ali hasn't demonstrated talent for anything and whatever few people know about her only know about her because she's always photographed with her sister. And now that she looks like an 85 pound beanpole with gray skin and effed up cheek implants and lip filler she's really never going to be going anywhere. Next big thing my ass.

Edit: Someone speculated that she might be 'the next big thing'. I don't know, maybe and probably not, who knows - but you should be careful to not throw the baby out with the bathwater because you see flaws in one piece of specualtion by one person.

Ali Lohan simply doesn't look like the same person, at least to me. She looks a different ethnicity.

You say she's had cheek implants, but her cheeks don't look any different to me. She already had prominent cheeks, as can be seen from her photos. The nose is also virtually identical, and the chin looks the same. Her lips are different, and yes of course there is surgery available that can make the lips thicker. The problem is that it is not just the lips.

I don't buy the 'weight loss' argument at all (and not just in this case, but in virtually all cases of posssible impostor-replacement. People can pile on several stone and still look like exactly the same person, and vice-versa. Ali Lohan was already very slim, she hardly had any wright to lose by the looks of it. The amount of weight you'd have to lose before it had a significant effect on your face is a great deal in the first place (I'm under-emphasising), for someone who is carrying a lot of extra weight, let alone for someone who isn't. I don't think the 'new Ali' is much thinner than the old, if at all to be honest. This reasoning is just the brain coming to a faulty conclusion after it has instinctively sensed something is wrong.

As regards plastic surgery, this should always be considered, but there are many thing that simply cannot be changed by plastic surgery and it is these things that can be looked at when deciding on a replacement.

An example of nose job:
http://www.animoller.com/images/celeb_nose_jobs/scarlett.jpg

Several years between these photos, and an obvious nose job. It's one of the easiset and most common surgeries to have the nose 'thinned' like this. Depsite the difference in years and major nose surgery she is clearly the same person,evey other feature the same, same sized head, same chin, jawline etc. Having a nose look completely different hasn't stopped her instantly looking like her.

Why would someone having their lips 'filled' suddenly make them look so different? It shouldn't, and wouldn't.

As regards motive: Lindsay Lohan is a product of Disney, a 'Mouseketeer', just like Britney Spears et al, and many of these are suspected of being 'MK'd'. Lindsay has made a number of high-profile Disney films and is very famous. She also starred in the disinformational film about the John Lennon assasination a few years back, so it's not hard to see that she may be being used for certain purposes. Unfortunately it seems Lindsay was replaced a few years ago.

My suspicion is that if she was MK'd then it's possible her programming broke down, which lead to her replacement. This would be done to keep a potentially profitable and possibly influential 'star' in the public eye, but of course the motive of cover for these other activitues is also one pretty strong moitve for a replacement. I think more people would get suspicious if a lot more Hollywood stars died when young.

Could Ali Lohan have been 'MK'd', and replaced as her programming broke down, or becasue she knew about what had happened to her sister?

This is speculation, but thoughts worth keeping in mind when considering why a lesser known 'star' may be replaced.

[bobthegoon]

Yeah, it's called dentures. If you think Hollywood lets the co-star of a hit TV show go in front of the camera with chompers that look like the top photo think again. Most everybody in Hollywood is sporting either fake teeth or veneers of some sort. I read an interview with one of the prostitutes who Charlie gave $30K to and I think it was her who said he was complaining about the dentures and what a pain in the ass they are.

And Charlie Sheen's erratic personality switching? It's called heavy drug use, self admitted bi polar disorder, and probably some multiple personality disorder and possession/entity attachments. The big conspiracy in Hollywood is how normal, nice good looking stars can fall so far, so fast. It's the nature of the hollywood machine and what it does to people. It eats people up and spits them out and requires that you sell your soul. And most do. Most people would do anything for millions of dollars, fame, and the lifestyle. Next thing they know they're expected to sleep with nasty people, they've got every kind of drug imaginable being shoved at them on a silver platter, they're surrounded by fake soulless pariahs, they can't trust anybody, all the important people start going to work on their physical image telling them they need to lose mass amounts of weight and chop up their face if they want to keep getting jobs, and they're watching all kinds of unsavory activity happening around them. Probably including occult rituals. Then they pay the price. They have mental meltdowns, major drug addictions, botched plastic surgery and start looking like empty shells or they change from looking young and innocent to hard. They become somebody else but not necessarily in the way some people here think. That's the big conspiracy. That's what Dave Chapelle was talking about in his infamous "Inside the Actor's Studio" interview.

imo Charlie Sheen's wouldn't be worth replacing. I don't think most of these stars are. It would be far easier and convenient for these mysterious clone makers to just kill somebody off then it would be to go through all the trouble you think they go through.

I agree that what you say here all goes on. I also agree that this is probably what Chappelle was referring to in the comment you mention.

There is much more that goes on though unfortunately, much more.

[grandmasta]

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/attachments/007/press_release_distribution_0071899_8230.jpg

[blackstar76]

Stepford wives sure are sexy. I wants me one.:D

[whale]

I can't see Sheen wearing dentures, only crowns or root canals. He is a bit young for dentures and rich folk can afford root canals/fake teeth. he could have had 3,000£ of crowns put in after that first photo, but doubtful seeing he works in TV and films and would have his teeth up to scratch.

This is intersting chart showing hypnotic suggestibility. Many sanpaku look to have been hypnotised, which is basic MK
http://whale.to/c/sanpak16.jpg
http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/11/19/go-ahead-roll-your-eyes-at-me/

It does seem pretty silly to throw drugs at film stars considering how much money they bring in.

[driscol]

I still don't get it, what do the large pupils mean?
I thought that's what sanpaku was, not the eyes rolling into the head.

Can someone give me a clear answer on this? I'm curious about the eyes portion of this.

EDIT: Alright I looked it up and I guess it just refers to the white spots on the eyes. I was under the impression that it referred to very large pupils.

[hannah50]

Good ones Grandmasta. Here's some more.
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers.jpg
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/KILLERS4.jpg
In addition:
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers3.jpg
Misty

Misty, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could name the serial killers in the first portion of your post as you did in the latter. It just helps one connect the dots and give us something to research. Otherwise they're just faces I may or may not know. Just a bullet list in order would be fine, if you know. :)

Thanks!

[driscol]

Misty, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could name the serial killers in the first portion of your post as you did in the latter. It just helps one connect the dots and give us something to research. Otherwise they're just faces I may or may not know. Just a bullet list in order would be fine, if you know. :)

Thanks!

I can't recognize them all myself but I notice the one on the top right is the DC sniper kid, below him is Aileen Warner, the prostitute that killed her johns.

to the left, one down, is Ted Bundy. I assume you know who that is. Those are the only ones I recognize right now besides Manson, Gacy, and Fish.

[mistyblue]

Misty, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could name the serial killers in the first portion of your post as you did in the latter. It just helps one connect the dots and give us something to research. Otherwise they're just faces I may or may not know. Just a bullet list in order would be fine, if you know. :)

Thanks!

Sorry, I agree I should have labeled them. Here you go, a couple are missing, I couldn't remember who they were and too lazy to re-dig.
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers22-1.jpg
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/KILLERS11.jpg
But if you really want to read a fascinating web book that pulls it all together and connects the dots, check out Programmed to Kill - the Politics of Serial Murder by Dave McGowan. You can download it here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36363051/Dave-McGowan-Programmed-to-Kill
He also did a great series called Inside The LC
The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation You can read it on his website here http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

Misty

[driscol]

Sorry, I agree I should have labeled them. Here you go, a couple are missing, I couldn't remember who they were and too lazy to re-dig.
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/killers22-1.jpg
http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz125/TrixxyLeFey/KILLERS11.jpg
But if you really want to read a fascinating web book that pulls it all together and connects the dots, check out Programmed to Kill - the Politics of Serial Murder by Dave McGowan. You can download it here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36363051/Dave-McGowan-Programmed-to-Kill
He also did a great series called Inside The LC
The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation You can read it on his website here http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

Misty

Huh I guess I was wrong, I thought that fat guy was gacy. I need to look up Bobby Long now.

[hannah50]

Thank you VERY much, Misty! That's very helpful. The guy on the far left in the bottom row, I wanted to see what he's about. Name doesn't ring a bell, as with a few of the others. Some of them just look downright creepy in that you'd never let them near you, and others look so 'normal' and/or attractive that you might let them close due to attraction. *shudders*

I do own Programmed to Kill, and am nearly half way through it. I *heart* Dave McGowan. :)

Thanks again!

Something I've been meaning to throw out there, I have never seen the story of Andrew Cunanan discected here. The guy who went on a killing spree in 1997 that ended in Florida where he killed Vercace.
Andrew Cunanan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[clint_giles]

here is a bad pic of subliminals on Bono face
http://whale.to/c/bono23dr99.jpg
http://youtu.be/_gv-7ySlgE4


he started out as a good political activist, hence the subliminals, then turned into one of them, around early 90's according to mask http://whale.to/b/bono.html
http://whale.to/b/bushandbono.jpg

Re face subliminals, best is http://whale.to/c/gaddafi_subliminal.html


notice the handshake....

[clint_giles]

Interesting pic of Steven Tyler of Aerosmith and Liv Tyler, his daughter.

He's wearing a devils claw pendant, a goat ring, half black fingernails and she's got half her face covered and far away look in her eyes. Liv doesn't strike me a devil worshiper, but then again...:(

http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/2008-American-Music-A_Corm-705930.JPG

Also Aerosmith's logo...

Winged sun disc, hand gesture 666?

http://www.born-today.com/btpix/tyler_steven.jpg

notice the ring on his right hand ???????

[discerning mind]

Edit: Someone speculated that she might be 'the next big thing'. I don't know, maybe and probably not, who knows - but you should be careful to not throw the baby out with the bathwater because you see flaws in one piece of specualtion by one person.

Sorry but mysterious powers in Hollywood going through the trouble of replacing Ali Lohan the Z list hanger on sibling of a has been former teen star, with a clone is ludicrous. She's nobody in the fame machine. The average person has no clue who this chick is and doesn't care. And Lindsay is no longer anybody and will most likely never "come back" to a solid career. The average person doesn't care about her either. Neither one of them are anybody anymore. They're not worth replacing. But that's what cracks me up about this thread. You guys think that these pseudo famous or has been D and Z list stars are actually worth replacing. It's like you're out of touch with reality. I don't know, maybe in your minds these people are something important but trust me, they're not. Nobody cares about most of these people except for the people posting here. I see pics of British celebs on here that I've never heard of and nobody outside of the UK has heard of them either, and nor do we care. But in your little world these no name singers of small time Brit bands or no name actors and actresses of silly British TV shows that only people from the UK have ever heard of are just so important that it justifies full on replacement. It goes for these D and Z list American people as well. Nobody in America even cares about half these American people. Even the well known working actors in America aren't worth replacing. There's no need to replace them when there are thousands of new and younger and better arrivals to Hollywood every year that can just take their place.

Get some perspective.

As far as the rest of the post I'm not going to bother arguing what you see when you look at Ali Lohan's pic versus what I see. It's already been established long ago in this thread that people here see what they want to see, and like I said in an earlier post I think some people here truly have a form of brain damage that impairs facial recognition. It's actually a lot more common than people realize, this issue with facial recognition. Especially when faces are seen out of context. That's a well known brain problem. If the hair is changed, or the outfit is different, or there's different makeup then the brain impaired person can't "recognize" the face right away and doesn't realize it's the same person. I truly think that there are people posting here that have this issue. I've seen people arguing that Christina Ricci was "replaced" all because she had a new hairdo with bangs versus her old non bangs 'do. It's ridiculous. It's seriously like brain damage or something. How else to explain people being like that?

[driscol]

Sorry but mysterious powers in Hollywood going through the trouble of replacing Ali Lohan the Z list hanger on sibling of a has been former teen star, with a clone is ludicrous. She's nobody in the fame machine. The average person has no clue who this chick is and doesn't care. And Lindsay is no longer anybody and will most likely never "come back" to a solid career. The average person doesn't care about her either. Neither one of them are anybody anymore. They're not worth replacing. But that's what cracks me up about this thread. You guys think that these pseudo famous or has been D and Z list stars are actually worth replacing. It's like you're out of touch with reality. I don't know, maybe in your minds these people are something important but trust me, they're not. Nobody cares about most of these people except for the people posting here. I see pics of British celebs on here that I've never heard of and nobody outside of the UK has heard of them either, and nor do we care. But in your little world these no name singers of small time Brit bands or no name actors and actresses of silly British TV shows that only people from the UK have ever heard of are just so important that it justifies full on replacement. It goes for these D and Z list American people as well. Nobody in America even cares about half these American people. Even the well known working actors in America aren't worth replacing. There's no need to replace them when there are thousands of new and younger and better arrivals to Hollywood every year that can just take their place.

Get some perspective.

As far as the rest of the post I'm not going to bother arguing what you see when you look at Ali Lohan's pic versus what I see. It's already been established long ago in this thread that people here see what they want to see, and like I said in an earlier post I think some people here truly have a form of brain damage that impairs facial recognition. It's actually a lot more common than people realize, this issue with facial recognition. Especially when faces are seen out of context. That's a well known brain problem. If the hair is changed, or the outfit is different, or there's different makeup then the brain impaired person can't "recognize" the face right away and doesn't realize it's the same person. I truly think that there are people posting here that have this issue. I've seen people arguing that Christina Ricci was "replaced" all because she had a new hairdo with bangs versus her old non bangs 'do. It's ridiculous. It's seriously like brain damage or something. How else to explain people being like that?

You are saying there is no point to replacing her, that is a statement of pure speculation when you don't have all the information.

You seem to be ignoring the power of a blank slate. Lohan has history, baggage, the masses kind of hate her. What does her sister have working against her?

[klc_infowarrior]

Sorry but mysterious powers in Hollywood going through the trouble of replacing Ali Lohan the Z list hanger on sibling of a has been former teen star, with a clone is ludicrous. She's nobody in the fame machine. The average person has no clue who this chick is and doesn't care. And Lindsay is no longer anybody and will most likely never "come back" to a solid career. The average person doesn't care about her either. Neither one of them are anybody anymore. They're not worth replacing. But that's what cracks me up about this thread. You guys think that these pseudo famous or has been D and Z list stars are actually worth replacing. It's like you're out of touch with reality. I don't know, maybe in your minds these people are something important but trust me, they're not. Nobody cares about most of these people except for the people posting here. I see pics of British celebs on here that I've never heard of and nobody outside of the UK has heard of them either, and nor do we care. But in your little world these no name singers of small time Brit bands or no name actors and actresses of silly British TV shows that only people from the UK have ever heard of are just so important that it justifies full on replacement. It goes for these D and Z list American people as well. Nobody in America even cares about half these American people. Even the well known working actors in America aren't worth replacing. There's no need to replace them when there are thousands of new and younger and better arrivals to Hollywood every year that can just take their place.

Get some perspective.

As far as the rest of the post I'm not going to bother arguing what you see when you look at Ali Lohan's pic versus what I see. It's already been established long ago in this thread that people here see what they want to see, and like I said in an earlier post I think some people here truly have a form of brain damage that impairs facial recognition. It's actually a lot more common than people realize, this issue with facial recognition. Especially when faces are seen out of context. That's a well known brain problem. If the hair is changed, or the outfit is different, or there's different makeup then the brain impaired person can't "recognize" the face right away and doesn't realize it's the same person. I truly think that there are people posting here that have this issue. I've seen people arguing that Christina Ricci was "replaced" all because she had a new hairdo with bangs versus her old non bangs 'do. It's ridiculous. It's seriously like brain damage or something. How else to explain people being like that?

why do you come into this thread??

you have nothing to offer except your ill-informed opinion. you sound very childish, in-experienced, and arrogant. just like a immature kid. When you grow up, you'll be able to "offer your different opinion" without insulting the group with your "know-it-all" attitude.

now move along and let the grown-ups have a discussion please.

some of us are very interested in this subject.

[clint_giles]

Extreme makeover or something else? :confused:

German chancellor Angela Merkel

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/LMoondancer/angela_merkel_02.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/LMoondancer/angela-merkel33.jpg

spaceman said this is hitler's daughter through dna....

the top photo is a close call ,with those eye's

[wildheart]

notice the ring on his right hand ???????

Hi Clint

Is that Liv Tyler ? If so, she looks very different facially (whe we can see of her that is !)

[clint_giles]

I am pretty sure she has an oversized clitoris from taking steroids.

actually its a small penis,her clitoris.

as is the case with all hermaphrodites.

we are all female in the womb,until the change takes place.

[clint_giles]

Hi Clint

Is that Liv Tyler ? If so, she looks very different facially (whe we can see of her that is !)

i do not know or care really....

[bobthegoon]

Sorry but mysterious powers in Hollywood going through the trouble of replacing Ali Lohan the Z list hanger on sibling of a has been former teen star, with a clone is ludicrous. She's nobody in the fame machine. The average person has no clue who this chick is and doesn't care. And Lindsay is no longer anybody and will most likely never "come back" to a solid career. The average person doesn't care about her either. Neither one of them are anybody anymore. They're not worth replacing. But that's what cracks me up about this thread. You guys think that these pseudo famous or has been D and Z list stars are actually worth replacing. It's like you're out of touch with reality. I don't know, maybe in your minds these people are something important but trust me, they're not. Nobody cares about most of these people except for the people posting here. I see pics of British celebs on here that I've never heard of and nobody outside of the UK has heard of them either, and nor do we care. But in your little world these no name singers of small time Brit bands or no name actors and actresses of silly British TV shows that only people from the UK have ever heard of are just so important that it justifies full on replacement. It goes for these D and Z list American people as well. Nobody in America even cares about half these American people. Even the well known working actors in America aren't worth replacing. There's no need to replace them when there are thousands of new and younger and better arrivals to Hollywood every year that can just take their place.

Get some perspective.

As far as the rest of the post I'm not going to bother arguing what you see when you look at Ali Lohan's pic versus what I see. It's already been established long ago in this thread that people here see what they want to see, and like I said in an earlier post I think some people here truly have a form of brain damage that impairs facial recognition. It's actually a lot more common than people realize, this issue with facial recognition. Especially when faces are seen out of context. That's a well known brain problem. If the hair is changed, or the outfit is different, or there's different makeup then the brain impaired person can't "recognize" the face right away and doesn't realize it's the same person. I truly think that there are people posting here that have this issue. I've seen people arguing that Christina Ricci was "replaced" all because she had a new hairdo with bangs versus her old non bangs 'do. It's ridiculous. It's seriously like brain damage or something. How else to explain people being like that?


No, it hasn't been established that 'people in this thread see what they want to see'.

I never said she was a clone, so please don't insinuate that I did.

You've side-stepped alomst everything I wrote in my post and simply posted a load of subjective rubbish.

You could be right though, it's might be very common for people to not recognize someone because they've changed their hair or got on a different outfit! Funny, in my experience people seem to remember and instantly recognize people they went to school with and haven't seen in decades!

If what you say about people not recognizing someone because they have changed their hair or outfit(!), how come when I watch a film I recognize faces of actors with the tiniset of parts in a film, but don't know their name or where I had seen them originally, eventually to realise that the only other time I'd seen them was in a film many years before, and they superficially (age, hair, weight, clothes, the character they are playing) look very different? And how come everyone I know seems to do the same thing, without even giving it much thought?

The actual truth is that the ability of the brain to recognize a person, not only from facial features, but also from more abstract things like mannerisms, ways of speaking etc, is far more sophisticated than most people realise.

[whale]

Tyler looks like born reptilian dna
http://whale.to/b/steve_15.jpg

doesn't look like his daughter
http://whale.to/b/rock-starts-aging03.jpg

[klc_infowarrior]

new lindsay lohan pic :eek:

http://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-lohan-throws-drink-at-photographer-electric-room-dream-downtown__oPt.jpg





and just for reference... original lindsay

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TvGKtL8EsYA/Tf2ggkNQmqI/AAAAAAAACyc/0iJV_v2fo8g/s1600/lindsay-lohan-showing-boobs.jpg



compare the noses :rolleyes:

[driscol]

new lindsay lohan pic :eek:

http://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-lohan-throws-drink-at-photographer-electric-room-dream-downtown__oPt.jpg





and just for reference... original lindsay

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TvGKtL8EsYA/Tf2ggkNQmqI/AAAAAAAACyc/0iJV_v2fo8g/s1600/lindsay-lohan-showing-boobs.jpg



compare the noses :rolleyes:
Honestly that just looks like a drug problem and crappy nose job to me.

[bobthegoon]

Lindsey Lohan:

http://todayfm.com/Libraries/Breakfast%20Show/407_Lindsay_Lohan_photo_2.sflbhttp://media.onsugar.com/files/2011/05/18/5/1632/16329924/fe/lindsay_lohan_2.jpghttp://www.countrymusictattletale.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lindsay-lohan-album-news.jpg
http://www.kcvegetarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lindsey-lohan.jpghttp://blog.sleepio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Lindsay-Lohan.jpg

Findsey Phohan?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01013/lindsey_lohan_1013547c.jpghttp://www.pingceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/lindsay-lohan.jpghttp://www.hollywoodgo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/lindsay-lohan.jpg
http://www.kreiszeitung.de/bilder/2009/08/27/454456/2136882112-lindsay-lohan.9.jpghttp://certifiedrandom.com/sites/certifiedrandom.com/files/circa08/files/06fall/Lindsey-lohan-mugshot.jpg


The features are all very close.

But something seems off.

[bobthegoon]

Two side-by-side comparisons:

http://todayfm.com/Libraries/Breakfast%20Show/407_Lindsay_Lohan_photo_2.sflbhttp://www.starazzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/post_image-0117_lindsay_lohan_clover_00.jpg

http://www.kcvegetarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lindsey-lohan.jpghttp://www.kreiszeitung.de/bilder/2009/08/27/454456/2136882112-lindsay-lohan.9.jpg

And compared to a photo from last year:

http://todayfm.com/Libraries/Breakfast%20Show/407_Lindsay_Lohan_photo_2.sflbhttp://beautyeditor.ca/wp-content/uploads/Lindsay_Lohan_2010_MTV_Movie_Awards.jpg

[bobthegoon]

http://todayfm.com/Libraries/Breakfast%20Show/407_Lindsay_Lohan_photo_2.sflbhttp://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-lohan-throws-drink-at-photographer-electric-room-dream-downtown__oPt.jpg

[emerald]

new lindsay lohan pic :eek:

http://i.cocoperez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-lohan-throws-drink-at-photographer-electric-room-dream-downtown__oPt.jpg





and just for reference... original lindsay

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TvGKtL8EsYA/Tf2ggkNQmqI/AAAAAAAACyc/0iJV_v2fo8g/s1600/lindsay-lohan-showing-boobs.jpg



compare the noses :rolleyes:

The one whom u believe to be the original LINDSAY is actually a clone/imposter replacement herself. It looks like she was replaced/cloned from her first major movie appearance - THE PARENT TRAP. So the only original LINDSAY is the one who starred in the movie. One of them, of course...

[emerald]

Lindsey Lohan:

http://todayfm.com/Libraries/Breakfast%20Show/407_Lindsay_Lohan_photo_2.sflbhttp://media.onsugar.com/files/2011/05/18/5/1632/16329924/fe/lindsay_lohan_2.jpghttp://www.countrymusictattletale.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lindsay-lohan-album-news.jpg
http://www.kcvegetarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lindsey-lohan.jpghttp://blog.sleepio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Lindsay-Lohan.jpg

Findsey Phohan?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01013/lindsey_lohan_1013547c.jpghttp://www.pingceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/lindsay-lohan.jpghttp://www.hollywoodgo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/lindsay-lohan.jpg
http://www.kreiszeitung.de/bilder/2009/08/27/454456/2136882112-lindsay-lohan.9.jpghttp://certifiedrandom.com/sites/certifiedrandom.com/files/circa08/files/06fall/Lindsey-lohan-mugshot.jpg


The features are all very close.

But something seems off.

Clones/replacements all over the place. Look at the size of her neck even in the pics of the one belived by u to be the original - sometimes long, sometimes short - look at the forehead, chin, eyes position, shape of the skull...

[emerald]

Tyler looks like born reptilian dna
http://whale.to/b/steve_15.jpg

doesn't look like his daughter
http://whale.to/b/rock-starts-aging03.jpg

Tyler looks OK. First pic - the small one - is definitely photoshopped. Maybe u need some glasses?

[emerald]

Honestly that just looks like a drug problem and crappy nose job to me.

Drug problems and crappy surgeries dont change the shape of ur skull and the size of ur neck. Not to say that she didnt need a nose job at all. Hard to believe that clones/replacements exists, ha?

[emerald]

spaceman said this is hitler's daughter through dna....

the top photo is a close call ,with those eye's

Total crap and shitty propaganda. Merkel is not Hitler's daughter.

[emerald]

Edit: Someone speculated that she might be 'the next big thing'. I don't know, maybe and probably not, who knows - but you should be careful to not throw the baby out with the bathwater because you see flaws in one piece of specualtion by one person.

Ali Lohan simply doesn't look like the same person, at least to me. She looks a different ethnicity.

You say she's had cheek implants, but her cheeks don't look any different to me. She already had prominent cheeks, as can be seen from her photos. The nose is also virtually identical, and the chin looks the same. Her lips are different, and yes of course there is surgery available that can make the lips thicker. The problem is that it is not just the lips.

I don't buy the 'weight loss' argument at all (and not just in this case, but in virtually all cases of posssible impostor-replacement. People can pile on several stone and still look like exactly the same person, and vice-versa. Ali Lohan was already very slim, she hardly had any wright to lose by the looks of it. The amount of weight you'd have to lose before it had a significant effect on your face is a great deal in the first place (I'm under-emphasising), for someone who is carrying a lot of extra weight, let alone for someone who isn't. I don't think the 'new Ali' is much thinner than the old, if at all to be honest. This reasoning is just the brain coming to a faulty conclusion after it has instinctively sensed something is wrong.

As regards plastic surgery, this should always be considered, but there are many thing that simply cannot be changed by plastic surgery and it is these things that can be looked at when deciding on a replacement.

An example of nose job:
http://www.animoller.com/images/celeb_nose_jobs/scarlett.jpg

Several years between these photos, and an obvious nose job. It's one of the easiset and most common surgeries to have the nose 'thinned' like this. Depsite the difference in years and major nose surgery she is clearly the same person,evey other feature the same, same sized head, same chin, jawline etc. Having a nose look completely different hasn't stopped her instantly looking like her.

Why would someone having their lips 'filled' suddenly make them look so different? It shouldn't, and wouldn't.

As regards motive: Lindsay Lohan is a product of Disney, a 'Mouseketeer', just like Britney Spears et al, and many of these are suspected of being 'MK'd'. Lindsay has made a number of high-profile Disney films and is very famous. She also starred in the disinformational film about the John Lennon assasination a few years back, so it's not hard to see that she may be being used for certain purposes. Unfortunately it seems Lindsay was replaced a few years ago.

My suspicion is that if she was MK'd then it's possible her programming broke down, which lead to her replacement. This would be done to keep a potentially profitable and possibly influential 'star' in the public eye, but of course the motive of cover for these other activitues is also one pretty strong moitve for a replacement. I think more people would get suspicious if a lot more Hollywood stars died when young.

Could Ali Lohan have been 'MK'd', and replaced as her programming broke down, or becasue she knew about what had happened to her sister?

This is speculation, but thoughts worth keeping in mind when considering why a lesser known 'star' may be replaced.

SCARLETT JOHANSSON was replaced/cloned while still a child.

[driscol]

Drug problems and crappy surgeries dont change the shape of ur skull and the size of ur neck. Not to say that she didnt need a nose job at all. Hard to believe that clones/replacements exists, ha?


I don't notice a difference in skull shape and not everyone that gets surgery needs it, in fact nobody does besides the severely deformed and even then I would argue that it's not always necessary.
Now I'm saying I don't believe in clones because I point out that she looks the same in both photos with a few minor differences?
Fair enough. I suppose your comment is really implying that you do not believe in cosmetic surgery or drugs changing skin completion temporarily.

[andy89lion]

I don't notice a difference in skull shape and not everyone that gets surgery needs it, in fact nobody does besides the severely deformed and even then I would argue that it's not always necessary.
Now I'm saying I don't believe in clones because I point out that she looks the same in both photos with a few minor differences?
Fair enough. I suppose your comment is really implying that you do not believe in cosmetic surgery or drugs changing skin completion temporarily.

I agree

[whale]

I am pretty sure she has an oversized clitoris from taking steroids.

large clitoris is a trait of psychopaths http://labyrinthpsycho.blogspot.com/2011/02/female-psychopath-smear-campaigns.html

doesn't look like Liv Tyler
http://whale.to/b/wzt7pai7liv.jpghttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqzHGU9_lhtIi8brWV7SDULNazjiOyK zFz4rS2RDJSgR3arD3g
slight sanpaku

Tyler looks OK. First pic - the small one - is definitely photoshopped. Maybe u need some glasses?

are you suggesting the hand sign is photoshoped?
http://whale.to/b/2cofppx0111.jpg

And he looks OK?
http://whale.to/b/k25sqjhgxx.jpg

[bobthegoon]

doesn't look like Liv Tyler
http://whale.to/b/wzt7pai7liv.jpghttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqzHGU9_lhtIi8brWV7SDULNazjiOyK zFz4rS2RDJSgR3arD3g


If that's 'supposed' to be Liv Tyler, then there is a serious problem.

Could it be an incorrectly labeled photo?

[insert_creative_name_here]

So with the Emmys being tonight, and it seems that many celebs are clones/fakes/robots/etc what really are the Emmys?? What is the symbolism behind the "award" show?? I don't watch these "award" shows, but for some reason I feel intrigued to watch tonight.

[carma]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X0__PE0EF00/TDyx3k9Q-gI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/KzD0UPD0_60/s1600/the-emmy-award.jpg

The award reminds me of Saturn's rings.

[hobo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X0__PE0EF00/TDyx3k9Q-gI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/KzD0UPD0_60/s1600/the-emmy-award.jpg

The award reminds me of Saturn's rings.

And the wings are lightning-bolts...

[klc_infowarrior]

Honestly that just looks like a drug problem and crappy nose job to me.

well that's nice of you to come to that conclusion. My brain does not write off such things so easily.

its a really easy cop-out to blame drugs or surgery. then you don't have to do any further research. your brain can go back to sleep.

Almost everyone I know IRL abuses drugs and alcohol of some sort and they still look exactly the same except for messier hair & clothes.


there's obviously MULTIPLE people playing the character of "Lindsay Lohan" and so on... & so on .... with lady gaga & other hollywood fucktards that look hideous and nonhuman.

[klc_infowarrior]

large clitoris is a trait of psychopaths http://labyrinthpsycho.blogspot.com/2011/02/female-psychopath-smear-campaigns.html

doesn't look like Liv Tyler
http://whale.to/b/wzt7pai7liv.jpghttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqzHGU9_lhtIi8brWV7SDULNazjiOyK zFz4rS2RDJSgR3arD3g
slight sanpaku



I was going to say....that photo did not look like liv tyler to me....and now that you put a photo of her beside it ...I can see now thats it not her.

To the thread nay-sayers:
Could it be possible that some of us, have a better memory recall (for facial recognition) than you do?? Could you embrace the possibility that your brain does not collect "facial recognition" data the same way OTHERS do? Is that possibility for you? That your not seeing these differences because you choose not too?

Sorry but the differences JUMP OUT at me....but I got a good eye for details and a photographic memory that helped me pass exams in school easier. Are you going to just sit there and DEBUNK all the information presented in this THREAD DISCUSSION and keep pissing in the wind because you can.

Basically I think your all shilling...trying to shut this topic down.

It's a discussion...nobody knows all the answers...including emerald.

...so it makes me wonder why some of you nay-sayers think you KNOW THE ANSWERS when you do not know anymore than any of us do.

[whale]

If that's 'supposed' to be Liv Tyler, then there is a serious problem. Could it be an incorrectly labeled photo?

Girlfriend or friend. This pic doesn't say Liv Tyler and it would if it was her. he does look way younger than other pics of him
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/2008+American+Music+Awards+Arrivals+aLhQWKgUhB8l.j pg
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/ES4yNUoHRim/2008+American+Music+Awards+Arrivals/aLhQWKgUhB8/Steven+Tyler

[klc_infowarrior]

the lohan clan dina, lindsay & ali... snapped recently at kim kardashian's wedding

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/18/article-2038726-0DF3630500000578-451_634x897.jpg

wanna play spot the differences??? ;)


http://c580019.r19.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dina-ali.jpg

http://celebrities.biteus.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dina_lohan_4721e1242c78f.jpg

[hannah50]

Gawd, Hollywod women are so pathetically skinny. How does that translate to beauty? They look awful - at what price?

[beyonddimensions]

It's not a court of law; you can believe whatever you want to believe. I lean heavily on my intuition and trust it more and more.

I've been reading this thread for a long time, but this is my first post, as it is time to speak out!

I have read a lot on the clones and replacements theory on various sites, but have yet to see any proof. I have given it every consideration, however comparing photos grabbed off the internet without knowing if they have been altered/photo-shopped is so unreliable it amounts to little more than gossip.

I also think you must consider plastic surgery and all its variations (botox, fillers, etc.) Substance abuse, weight loss/gain, ageing any number of things that must be considered before jumping to " its a Clone, They've been replaced". Come on, Where is the science? Where is the proof? Please share it if you have it!

[grandmasta]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a0uW_Lrqvs8/TkpOkYkziiI/AAAAAAAABa0/hlIKEt3Na6M/s400/ali+lohan+2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3sDVus6Ctac/TkpOqg4xqKI/AAAAAAAABa4/ttXue_sSG6A/s1600/ali+lohan+1.png

[clint_giles]

Total crap and shitty propaganda. Merkel is not Hitler's daughter.

you say the word "not"
as if its a matter of fact to you,like you personally know something that others do not....

[driscol]

well that's nice of you to come to that conclusion. My brain does not write off such things so easily.

its a really easy cop-out to blame drugs or surgery. then you don't have to do any further research. your brain can go back to sleep.

Almost everyone I know IRL abuses drugs and alcohol of some sort and they still look exactly the same except for messier hair & clothes.


there's obviously MULTIPLE people playing the character of "Lindsay Lohan" and so on... & so on .... with lady gaga & other hollywood fucktards that look hideous and nonhuman.

What research did you do to come to your conclusion?
I am willing to discuss this but not if you provide no evidence and sling accusations and insults such as the implication that I "went to sleep" because I don't blindly agree that every celebrity that looks strange is a reptilian doppelganger. Let's be mature about this.

Don't say you don't write off things so easily when that is exactly what you did with my suggestion. I suggested that the temporary paleness could be drug use (since drugs are commonly known for doing such things, I know this from personal experience) and that the slight difference with the nose could be surgery. You simply dismissed all of this without a shred of evidence and simply wrote it all off as "replacement"

[beyonddimensions]

Lindsay does not look fundamentally different in the supposed before and after photos. She has had some sort of collagen or other treatment for her lips, to be sure. She also looks drugged up and beat up in the latter photos, whereas she appears clear eyed in the earlier photos. Her nose, which is very distinctively shaped, looks the same in the supposed before and after. It's the same girl imo who's unfortunately been horrendously abused in recent years.

The photos of her younger sister: no way. Not the same gal. And the soul has literally been sucked out of the second, whoever she is.

[grandmasta]

Lindsay......


The photos of her younger sister: no way. Not the same gal. And the soul has literally been sucked out of the second, whoever she is.

LOL I almost post that I felt Ali was soulless after her transformation, but I thought IT was too harsh to post! :cool:

And I agree with you.

[whale]

The photos of her younger sister: no way. Not the same gal. And the soul has literally been sucked out of the second, whoever she is.

Spiritless I think is the word as Montalk points out http://whale.to/c/spiritless_humans.html Reptilian soul maybe. Emerald is artemis on doppels

[beyonddimensions]

^That's a very good read. Who knows who or what the replaced figure is. It looks like a zombie or cyborg. I have yet to see the new lohan animatronic speak or interact with a 3-D environment, however.

[whale]

Here is someone with demonic eyes
http://whale.to/b/mdjldaw3.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1349398/Patrick-Cockburn-My-son-played-Russian-roulette-cannabis-lost.html
not mad keen on the father either.

[christ4life]

Here is someone with demonic eyes
http://whale.to/b/mdjldaw3.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1349398/Patrick-Cockburn-My-son-played-Russian-roulette-cannabis-lost.html
not mad keen on the father either.

I thought you were posting someone with black eyes. Completely empty void of any spiritual love, or understanding but this is close enough.

[christ4life]

the lohan clan dina, lindsay & ali... snapped recently at kim kardashian's wedding

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/18/article-2038726-0DF3630500000578-451_634x897.jpg

wanna play spot the differences??? ;)


http://c580019.r19.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dina-ali.jpg

http://celebrities.biteus.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dina_lohan_4721e1242c78f.jpg

Doesn't look like her sister, and she looks evil.

[christ4life]

Gawd, Hollywod women are so pathetically skinny. How does that translate to beauty? They look awful - at what price?

They look sick to me not healthy.

[dedesuperman]

the lohan clan dina, lindsay & ali... snapped recently at kim kardashian's wedding

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/18/article-2038726-0DF3630500000578-451_634x897.jpg

wanna play spot the differences??? ;)


http://c580019.r19.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dina-ali.jpg

http://celebrities.biteus.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/dina_lohan_4721e1242c78f.jpg

Among that which resembles the less the original it is definitively Ali, personally I find than it is not her anymore for me she is a replaced one and a bad double. After it's Lindsay and his other sister I do not decide because it seems to resemble herself.

[dedesuperman]

http://whale.to/b/wzt7pai7liv.jpg

Come on folks! It is rather obvious that it is not Liv Tyler notice these lips it resembles nothing in Liv Tyler! :rolleyes:

That is seen easily like clear water!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqzHGU9_lhtIi8brWV7SDULNazjiOyK zFz4rS2RDJSgR3arD3g

[dedesuperman]

http://whale.to/b/rock-starts-aging03.jpg

This guy Tyler my goodness is he really human yeurk!??? :eek: his face is really weird.

[cantata]

http://whale.to/b/rock-starts-aging03.jpg

This guy Tyler my goodness is he really human yeurk!??? :eek: his face is really weird.

It's true, he does looks weird. Young and old, he is one startlingly ugly man (and I don't often think anyone is ugly).

[jo_6]

The lady with Steven Tyler at the American music awards is Erin Brady, his girlfriend. Does look a bit like Liv though (yuk)

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Steven+Tyler+Erin+Brady+Kids+Choice+Awards+xSHSIkF fS9rl.jpg

As for Lindsay Lohan, this is her 3 days ago, when she threw adrink still in its glass at the official photographer.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/15/article-2037966-0DE904F400000578-281_468x687.jpg

http://http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/15/article-2037966-0DE9062600000578-692_468x754.jpghttp://http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/15/article-2037966-0DE9062600000578-692_468x754.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/15/article-2037966-0DE9062600000578-692_468x754.jpg

I am very fond of Lindsay, she has seemed very lost for a long time. I think now she is a complete mental case greatly unhinged from reality, and ungrounded. I think she has been severely abused, manipulated and controlled by those working for the dark side. Poor girl. Severe drug abuse (mostly prescription), and been sexually abused by very horrible people. Reminds me a bit of Marilyn Monroe, who was also severely abused , used & controlled.
I don't know if theres much hope of her ever sorting it out. Gone too far for that I think. And her sister and mother are a pair of manipulated dopes too.
All completely insane and lost it.

Heres some very weird pics from Lindsays mums birthday party 2 days ago, where Lindsay SNOGS her Mum!
http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusive-photos-lindsay-lohan-dina-lohans-birthday-kiss/

[beyonddimensions]

Full on makeout with tongue between mother and daughter transitioning into a lapdance. With little bro sitting next acting indifferent.

[whale]

pretty sad victims

must be the young girlfriend ;)
http://whale.to/b/cv7v7g3vxx.jpghttp://whale.to/b/87jghd9rxx.jpg

[the_mighty_tron]

pretty sad victims

must be the young girlfriend ;)
http://whale.to/b/cv7v7g3vxx.jpghttp://whale.to/b/87jghd9rxx.jpg

WOW!! Where did all of those wrinkles go!!!?????????:eek:

[andy89lion]

A lot of these are just a combination of mind control, drug addiction, plastic surgery and general deterioration.

[hannah50]

Full on makeout with tongue between mother and daughter transitioning into a lapdance. With little bro sitting next acting indifferent.

You. Are. Kidding. Me. (rhetorical, because I know you're not). I suppose that's one video that's been yanked now, or was it just a new article?

[beyonddimensions]

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay3.jpg?9d7bd4

One of several such pics:

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusiv...birthday-kiss/

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots.

http://rumorfix.com/wp-content/gallery/exclusive-inside-dina-lohans-birthday-party/img_3145.jpg?9d7bd4

[klc_infowarrior]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/15/article-2037966-0DE9062600000578-692_468x754.jpg


:eek: wow

where's her blue eyes?????????????????????????????????????

[klc_infowarrior]

WOW!! Where did all of those wrinkles go!!!?????????:eek:

:eek: thats one hell of a plastic surgeon!!!!!!!!!!!!

[klc_infowarrior]

You. Are. Kidding. Me. (rhetorical, because I know you're not). I suppose that's one video that's been yanked now, or was it just a new article?

the article has been scrubbed.

full on incest. if thats even her real daughter.

[beyonddimensions]

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusive-photos-lindsay-lohan-dina-lohans-birthday-kiss/

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay2.jpg?9d7bd4

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-1.jpg?9d7bd4

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay-2.jpg?9d7bd4

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay3.jpg?9d7bd4

http://danasdirt.com/2011/08/25/lindsay-lohan-kisses-her-mom-ew/

http://danasdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lindsay-dina-lohan-smoking-pics-2-435x512.jpg

http://danasdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lindsay-dina-lohan-smoking-pics-435x430.jpg

[the_mighty_tron]

http://danasdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lindsay-dina-lohan-smoking-pics-435x430.jpg

Wtf!! That doesnt even look like Lindsay!! Man im telling you this gets stranger every week!:eek:

[beyonddimensions]

Wow--very nice find AA!

The discussion of Chappelle et al's ordeals are fascinating as well.

It seems few if any media players manage to avoid getting stuck in the web woven by the agents of those friggin' reptiles.

Oddly, I found it hilarious when the movie MIBII poked fun at Oprah, saying she "landed" in Chicago. Maybe it's true???

Make no mistake about it, Winfrey is the major force behind this suprising Obama movement. Americans you have been warned. Oprah Winfrey is a big time occultist just waiting to suck the world into her bizarre political asparations. Winfrey has gone on record as saying she believes there are the “spirits of dead slaves” inside her that guide her day to day. She also talked of the “universal hummm” which is the same occultic experince that Jimmy Paige of Led Zepplin sang about in the most occultic song of this age…”stairway to heaven.”

Oprah’s Production company “Harpo” is “Oprah” spelled backward. Thus showing a secret following for the teachings (the law of reversal) of another occultist Aleister Crowley.

We thought author Jason Kovac had an interesting insight into Winfrey. “Oprah freely confesses to demonic possession as a tool to enhance her influencing performances before the camera.” She said:

“I tried to empty myself and let the spirit of Sethe inhabit me…Every morning, before my scenes, I lit candles and said the names of these slaves. I prayed every day to the ancestors”.

Oprah’s motion picture, Beloved, gives an account of a woman who is haunted by the spirit of her dead daughter; which is a Biblically condemned story that advocates communication with the dead. Expressing her strong agreement to cinematically express such themes, Oprah recalls her conversation with Beloved’s author Toni Morrison. She stated:
“I told her I’d just read the book and what it meant to me and how I felt so strongly that the world needed to hear this story, and the way to do it was through film.”

Oprah sought after demonic possession in order to elicit a superior acting performance whereby she might gain a greater influence over her viewers. Beloved’s Director, Jonathon Demme, who is also the director of The Silence of the Lambs, recalled:

“Oprah had explained to me when we originally met that it was her goal and intention to channel the spirit of Margaret Garner…This very infusion of humanity past accounts to a significant degree for Oprah’s stunning alchemy, her astonishing abandonment of self in her Beloved performance.” Oprah Winfrey preaches a new age gospel that says any leader can be a Jesus. She says there are many paths to Heaven. Make no mistake about it…If Obama is elected….Oprah Winfrey will in fact be the fist lady (not a typo) and the power behind the Presidency. Oprah Winfrey is spiritually one of the most dangerous women on the face of the planet. Not only has Oprah admitted to coming into contact with what is called the Universal Hum, but Roseanne, also a New Ager, has admitted to an initiation into this hum and others who have had contact with the occult attest to a sinister type of ringing or humming that lulls the mind and body in preparation for advanced occult indoctrination.

Oprah claims that once she broke into the other side, she encountered the sense of empowerment she sought for. This insidious pursuit of empowerment has led to selling her soul to demonic spirits for ingenious perpetration and temporal gain. Winfrey is Blatantly honest about her reliance on the spirit realm. In fact, Oprah takes her marching orders for her entertainment empire directly from the spirit world. Time magazine wrote of these spirit guides:
“Oprah Winfrey calls these her ‘go there’ moments, those spiritual episodes of divine guidance that far transcend the chatty exchanges with her studio audiences. Sometimes the epiphanies carry the voices of Negro slaves-Joe and Emily and Dara; Sue and Bess and Sara. Winfrey says that she has come to know each of them personally and calls them in at will to guide her in her work. She says the spirits began visiting her a few years ago”.
Oprah freely confesses to demonic possession as a tool to enhance her influencing performances before the camera. Oprah’s demonic submissions spit in the face of the Creator of the universe… Jesus Christ.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_7Bqr1I5gzyk/R-5tugiD06I/AAAAAAAAAj0/pNp9YyCqfFk/s400/aoprah_obama_2008sff_iaps110_20071208165112.jpg
http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/21848

[driscol]

:eek: wow

where's her blue eyes?????????????????????????????????????

:rolleyes: I should have known this is too good to be true. If you are going to defend your delusions so blindly, I was probably silly to even consider this.

You guys really had me but when I see someone actually making shit up on this level then you have kind of lost believability with the prank. Nice try guys, calling me blind for pointing out that it could be drugs or surgery with Lindsey was a nice touch.

[driscol]

:eek: thats one hell of a plastic surgeon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah because he doesn't look like a leather faced freak or anything.

Let me guess, you really do not believing in cosmetic surgery.

You guys had me, I was actually believing this crap for months.

[whale]

he has that fresh face kind of look like Cruise. I could do with a new set of real teeth :(
http://whale.to/b/tom_cr17.jpghttp://whale.to/b/87jghd9rxx.jpg

All the actors are too compromised to do any good in the world, I think. One of the people we've helped still conducts high level satanic rituals for the world order. They erase her memories, after each ritual but there are residual impressions, of course, because memory isn't just in the brain. Men can't conduct the rituals, which is another nice irony about this patriarchic, parasitic world order.

She's occasionally greeted with smiles and secret hand signals when she's on the street in New York by people including Robin Williams and George Clooney, who participate in the rituals and apparently don't know that her memory gets wiped Wink

***** ******* was one of Shirley MacLaine's three occult teachers in the mid 80s, right before the Stinkmeisters started promoting her as a guru. He says she's a hopeless, witless Monarch drone but a nice gal, otherwise. He says, too, that Oprah is turned on and off by signals from her CIA handler and spends her off-air periods during her shows in a catatonic trance. He was a guest on her show several times in the 80s and was shocked when he tried to start a conversation with her during a commercial break because her handler had 'turned her off' Wink and she simply continued staring straight ahead with no expression. Would be fun to get that on YouTube, eh? Cool

~Don http://www.whale.to/b/darko.html

http://whale.to/b/okrah.jpg

[beyonddimensions]

You guys had me, I was actually believing this crap for months.

Bush "Fool Me Once..." - YouTube

[greydove]

:eek: thats one hell of a plastic surgeon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Photoshop.

[greydove]

http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay3.jpg?9d7bd4

One of several such pics:

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusiv...birthday-kiss/

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots.

http://rumorfix.com/wp-content/gallery/exclusive-inside-dina-lohans-birthday-party/img_3145.jpg?9d7bd4

If anyone can find the part of Thanks for the Memories where Brice Taylor talks about her and her daughter being used in porn together, that would open a lot of eyes.

I guess there are some rich men who would pay to see a mother and daughter porn tape. There's a reason these people are as wealthy and controlled as they are...

Lindsay's brother doesn't look like he doesn't care, to me, he looks mortified. And the shirt says everything, on a number of levels.

[driscol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A&feature=related

Yes there is certainly something at work but what proof is there that they are clone replacements?
Isn't it possible that this is the confused breakdown of a person that we know has been physically and psychologically tortured and told how to act his whole life?
Or an entity seeping into his brain and speech pattern?

Nope it's an alien replacement and if I say anything otherwise I am "blind" to real evidence. Can someone show me this evidence of alien doppelgangers?

[driscol]

he has that fresh face kind of look like Cruise. I could do with a new set of real teeth :(
http://whale.to/b/tom_cr17.jpghttp://whale.to/b/87jghd9rxx.jpg



http://whale.to/b/okrah.jpg

How can you be so sure those teeth are real?

[driscol]

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots. http://c684645.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lindsay3.jpg?9d7bd4

One of several such pics:

http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusiv...birthday-kiss/

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots.

http://rumorfix.com/wp-content/gallery/exclusive-inside-dina-lohans-birthday-party/img_3145.jpg?9d7bd4

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads:
"The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots. "

"Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots."

"Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots."



Really? The whole family now means mind controlled robots?

[greydove]

Or The Whole Family as in: Fame Whores, sex partners, or psychopaths...Take your pick.

[driscol]

Or The Whole Family as in: Fame Whores, sex partners, or psychopaths...Take your pick.

exactly, it could mean anything.
Could also mean the whole family is here

or the whole family worships satan

or the whole family loves to torture animals


When we start filling in the blanks with whatever we like then we are crossing that line between reality and delusion.

[silverwand]

I remember feeling very freaked out by the appearance of brittany murphy before she died... she looked as though she was staring the devil right in the eyes...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/12/21/1261386646900/Alicia-Silverstone-Britta-001.jpg
In the middle before...

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/ugly-brittany-murphy_421x309.jpg
Looking full of trauma near the end...

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2008/02/brittany-murphy-puckers-up.jpg

I agree I think Brittany looked awful before she died :( so different from the healthy, happier looking lass she seemed to be many years ago. So sad.

[greydove]

exactly, it could mean anything.
Could also mean the whole family is here

or the whole family worships satan

or the whole family loves to torture animals


When we start filling in the blanks with whatever we like then we are crossing that line between reality and delusion.

Well, the reality is that they are one messed up family with an extremely troubled daughter. Taking an educated guess as to why that might be seems to make sense.

[mountain]

http://whale.to/b/okrah.jpg

Oprah looks absolutely traumatised in this pic ...

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots.

Btw, little bro's t shirt reads:
"The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots. "

"Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots."

"Btw, little bro's t shirt reads: The Whole Family. As in, the whole family consists of mind controlled robots."



Really? The whole family now means mind controlled robots?

Or it could mean the 'Family' in which many MKUltra and SRA survivors says is an expression for the Luciferian inter-generational cult ...

[greydove]

The lady with Steven Tyler at the American music awards is Erin Brady, his girlfriend. Does look a bit like Liv though (yuk)

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Steven+Tyler+Erin+Brady+Kids+Choice+Awards+xSHSIkF fS9rl.jpg

Heres some very weird pics from Lindsays mums birthday party 2 days ago, where Lindsay SNOGS her Mum!
http://rumorfix.com/2011/09/exclusive-photos-lindsay-lohan-dina-lohans-birthday-kiss/

Incest or the promotion thereof is part of how you get into this level of the game.

http://www.theblogyoulovetohate.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/paris-hilton-playboy-limo-2.jpg

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/09/23/image5331035x.jpg



http://hipsterjew.com/files/2011/03/02-woody-and-soon-yi.jpg

http://www.hotsexyangelinajolie.com/data/media/1/angelina-jolie-james-haven-kiss.jpg

http://dc226.4shared.com/img/hhUA36II/s7/jon_voight_angelina.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kpWebsRNzRI/TVxzCg_zRJI/AAAAAAAAC5A/0E3FqpDxsfY/s400/mileydown.jpg

Even as a kid I found it odd the way Liv was portrayed in her father's video.

Crazy

Aerosmith Crazy - YouTube

Interesting lyrics to the song Rag Doll by Aerosmith

"Rag Doll living in a movie
Hot tramp, Daddy's little cutie..."

Aerosmith - Rag Doll Official Video - YouTube

Rag Dolls are a program


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jXMIsK3dV50/SUQTRgB-0wI/AAAAAAAAEaU/fc3qKUFz2vI/s400/markliddel.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8490/017fv1.jpg

http://barbie-doll-house.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Nicki-Minaj-Barbie-Doll.jpg

[whale]

^^ interesting. I guess 'rag doll' is a symbol of the Monarch 'park mode'?

Hilton, she is a high class hooker http://whale.to/b/close7.html and reptoid
http://whale.to/b/paris_20.jpg

how is this for a robot hybrid http://whale.to/b/paris_95.jpg

not to mention the mother
http://whale.to/b/paris_94.jpg

[klc_infowarrior]

someone posted this on another forum and thought I'd share it here

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/5851268946_dae0fbd818_b.jpg

There have been some rather weird eBay listings in the past, but this one really caught my eye. According to this guy who collects antique memorial photography, he came into possession of a photo of a man who looks remarkably like Nicolas Cage. I wonder if anyone can tell if the image has been shopped. He claims it's all legit; he wants 1 million dollars for it!

(The Thanatos Archive watermark is not on the original image)

Original c.1870 carte de visite showing a man who looks exactly like
Nick Cage. Personally, I believe it's him and that he is some sort of
walking undead / vampire, et cetera, who quickens / reinvents
himself once every 75 years or so. 150 years from now, he might
be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host.

This is not a trick photo of any kind and has not been manipulated
in Photoshop or any other graphics program. It's an original photo
of a man who lived in Bristol, TN sometime around the Civil War.

Guaranteed to be an original 1860s-70s photograph and not
a modern reproduction, copy or photo manipulation.

4" x 2.5".

Condition
Unevenly trimmed on all sides.





Interestingly...the ebay listing was since removed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nicolas-Cage-Vampire-Photo-1870-Tennessee-/260821098271?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cba261f1f


This is an article of a photographer during those civil war times
http://www.timesnews.net/blogger.php?id=10239&postid=7209

what do you guys think?? hoax or real??

anyone have any skills detecting photo manipulation??

If this photo is real ...I say wow. :eek: I find it funny how the owner of the photograph concluded the same things we have here in stepford thread. ((((some sort of
walking undead / vampire, et cetera, who quickens / reinvents
himself once every 75 years or so. 150 years from now, he might
be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host. )))))

[beyonddimensions]

Whale's celeb link is absolutely one of the craziest things I've ever read.

I've met a number of celebrities myself (in film, tv, music, and sports), and most all of them has had a very dark, menacing energy. They are completely used to getting their way, and will unleash a sociopathic violent energy in your direction if you show even the slightest resistance. They employ the evil eye mercilessly.

Now I know why I COMPLETELY avoided going to movie theaters well into my twenties, except on very rare occasions. This made me a bit of an outcast for a long, long time.

I didn't re-integrate myself socially with a lot of people until I did so. I could see their eyes soften, become more loving towards me, and getting onto my wavelength as we spoke of some recent tv show, film or some song they "loved." Sad, but true.

[grandmasta]

The Nick Cage thing could be also his past incarnation on Earth, who knows.

We must be skeptic of ourselves too, we tend to find evidence of stepfording in every celeb news we see.

That's normal because we have a reticular activation system, but we can't conclude things too quickly.

[klc_infowarrior]

We must be skeptic of ourselves too, we tend to find evidence of stepfording in every celeb news we see.


IMO the celebrity industry is used for just that.

You may be inclined to believe the movie & music industry is legit. I believe it is not legit, but a front, that serves as a basis for these MONSTER projects TPTB create.

Celebritism has become our culture..... a culture that has great INFLUENCE over the masses, and that is the mean reason celebrities are used in this way.

[driscol]

Oprah looks absolutely traumatised in this pic ...



Or it could mean the 'Family' in which many MKUltra and SRA survivors says is an expression for the Luciferian inter-generational cult ...

Yes and even more people say "family" refers to a group of people who are related, like two sisters and a brother. Again, it can be read in many ways.

[driscol]

IMO the celebrity industry is used for just that.

You may be inclined to believe the movie & music industry is legit. I believe it is not legit, but a front, that serves as a basis for these MONSTER projects TPTB create.

Celebritism has become our culture..... a culture that has great INFLUENCE over the masses, and that is the mean reason celebrities are used in this way.

He wasn't saying it is legit, just that people will find what they want to see.

Kind of like you were doing and when I said something that was a little too different from what you decided was reality you attacked me like you do everyone else that tries to use their own brain.

The reality of this place is getting more and more obvious.

I'm sure the media is used to brainwash, but fabricating evidence where there are just pictures is a huge sign of simply creating the reality you want to see.

[driscol]

Well, the reality is that they are one messed up family with an extremely troubled daughter. Taking an educated guess as to why that might be seems to make sense.

an educated guess would be taking all the information and making any possible interpretation to explain it.

All you people are doing is picking the answer you want and defending it aggressively. Troubled, yes. Extremely troubled, we seem to have a different definition of the word.

I would call "Extremely troubled" something along the lines of torturing small animals for fun and collecting guns in expectation of a massacre.

This is a druggy, possibly traumatized (by endless possible causes) kissing her sister. I fail to see proof of her being replaced here.

[jo_6]

shifty looking photos of Dionne Bromfield

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDB50b2SdDHIHSLTbWQ1qgh1rm1WRUc 3r3A0oOAmfX7P2q79_z

Black and white, chained cuff, 666 sign

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6ILUinzViUgX0aqsgnCuLa4rjfRbdJ rbcB-HB_31kER9IURTQ

5-pointed star

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSysu_b9rN2kCu0KbINcWO0lkC_5TLiT ne1F5ba5Z6JAkj0ojU-Pwhttp://www.teennowmagazine.co.uk/imageBank/cache/d/Dionne-Bromfield.jpg_e_23abe66501078f41ad6851658d1e8d06.j pghttp://www.contactmusic.com/images/content/dionne-bromfield-foolin.jpg
Animal print

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dionnebromfield-e1313614432718.jpg
666 hand sign (from her video 'foolin')

http://http://rickyhouseworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/dionne-bromfield.jpghttp://rickyhouseworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/dionne-bromfield.jpg
Tinchy Stryder -controlled fool sold out to the industry, flames of hell and the OLYMPIC TORCH single(Luciferian)

Despite her success, Amy Winehouse never was an “industry pawn” like other acts discussed on this thread . Her unwillingness (or incapability) to “fit the mold” could have been the cause of her death. Winehouse’s goddaughter and protege Dionne Bromfield appears to be possibly going along with the darkside and is now being manipulated and used by the darkness that operates throught the industry...

[realy]

shifty looking photos of Dionne Bromfield

...

shes such a cutie_hollywood will burn.

[jo_6]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dionne+Bromfield+Tinchy+Stryder+Olympic+Torch+d0ZR NVGay6Ql.jpg

'Tinchy Stryder and Dionne Bromfield pose with the official Olympic Relay Torch to announce they will be releasing the official Olympic torch relay song 'Spinning for 2012' at The Olympic Park on June 30, 2011 in London, England. '
Funnily enough just after the summer solstice.(The Olympic games is an event of Sun worship ) More about that and the torch here from Matthew Delooze http://forum.davidicke.com/archive/index.php/t-32581.html symbolic stadiums are placed on energy lines and the crowds are used to generate spiritual energy whilst they feel emotional about the event taking place.And its extracted by the dark ones.

Whales sight has also got some info on Lucifer the light bearer and olympic torch
http://www.whale.to/c/lucifer_the_light_bearer.html

[grandmasta]

an educated guess would be taking all the information and making any possible interpretation to explain it.

All you people are doing is picking the answer you want and defending it aggressively. Troubled, yes. Extremely troubled, we seem to have a different definition of the word.

I would call "Extremely troubled" something along the lines of torturing small animals for fun and collecting guns in expectation of a massacre.

This is a druggy, possibly traumatized (by endless possible causes) kissing her sister. I fail to see proof of her being replaced here.


Wait and see, people will call yo a disinfo agent soon!

The problem is that... when people hold too much to a belief, they'll rationalize a lot just to proove to themselves that they are right.

[pound]

someone posted this on another forum and thought I'd share it here

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/5851268946_dae0fbd818_b.jpg






Interestingly...the ebay listing was since removed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nicolas-Cage-Vampire-Photo-1870-Tennessee-/260821098271?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cba261f1f


This is an article of a photographer during those civil war times
http://www.timesnews.net/blogger.php?id=10239&postid=7209

what do you guys think?? hoax or real??

anyone have any skills detecting photo manipulation??

If this photo is real ...I say wow. :eek: I find it funny how the owner of the photograph concluded the same things we have here in stepford thread. ((((some sort of
walking undead / vampire, et cetera, who quickens / reinvents
himself once every 75 years or so. 150 years from now, he might
be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host. )))))

This story kind of reminds me of the infamous Count St. Germain who was famous for his boasts to 18th century royal Parisians that he had 'lived a thousand years':

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=139828

[driscol]

Wait and see, people will call yo a disinfo agent soon!

The problem is that... when people hold too much to a belief, they'll rationalize a lot just to proove to themselves that they are right.

Already been called a disinfo agent because I implied that mental illness and insanity is a thing that actually exists.

It is possible these things exist but saying it is proven without having a bit of evidence or calling photos with personal interpretations evidence is just a problem IMO. Makes us look crazy. I'm crazy, but I would like to think not everyone here is.

[mistyblue]

Already been called a disinfo agent because I implied that mental illness and insanity is a thing that actually exists.

It is possible these things exist but saying it is proven without having a bit of evidence or calling photos with personal interpretations evidence is just a problem IMO. Makes us look crazy. I'm crazy, but I would like to think not everyone here is.

Honestly, I mean no disrespect when I ask you this: What do you consider "proof" ? I don't think there is ever going to be any "proof", especially for the average person reading this thread. We are never going to catch them in the act or get a dna sample, if that what you mean by proof.

The way I see it is, everybody has an opinion and some are stronger than others. Myself, I listen to everything and file it away and keep an open mind to other possibilities. As more contributors bring forth bits and pieces I file them in the corresponding category. There is little doubt that brainwashing and cloning exist and have happened- it's just a matter of whether you are convinced by the presentation that any particular person exhibits clues of that having happened. If somebody produced a video of Lindsey Lohan being tortured, everyone would say it was a fake and a lookalike. We will never have "proof" - we can only have theories based on photographs and interviews. Enough of these and the best we can get is "generally regarded as true".

Misty

[driscol]

Honestly, I mean no disrespect when I ask you this: What do you consider "proof" ? I don't think there is ever going to be any "proof", especially for the average person reading this thread. We are never going to catch them in the act or get a dna sample, if that what you mean by proof.

The way I see it is, everybody has an opinion and some are stronger than others. Myself, I listen to everything and file it away and keep an open mind to other possibilities. As more contributors bring forth bits and pieces I file them in the corresponding category. There is little doubt that brainwashing and cloning exist and have happened- it's just a matter of whether you are convinced by the presentation that any particular person exhibits clues of that having happened. If somebody produced a video of Lindsey Lohan being tortured, everyone would say it was a fake and a lookalike. We will never have "proof" - we can only have theories based on photographs and interviews. Enough of these and the best we can get is "generally regarded as true".

Misty
Maybe medical records of a celebrity before and after change showing a unique difference in bone structure or DNA that couldn't be caused by surgery.
That is just one example.
how is it impossible to get a DNA sample? I'm sure they go to the doctor like everyone else.


No if I saw a video of one of these people being tortured I would not say fake. Maybe some would but I would not because that is video evidence of something. I would say it is possibly staged because that is always a possibility just as I would always say that it's possible a person had cosmetic surgery and that they MAY NOT have been replaced by aliens.

I am not saying proof is needed to have an opinion, but people are not all talking opinion. The person I was talking to before was accusing me of ignorance because I didn't agree with his opinion, claiming that there is enough information to prove it. If there is proof of this, I have yet to see it. If there is no solid proof, I feel it's fair to keep an open mind to every possibility not just the "alien doppelgangers" possibility.

[driscol]

No one's forcing you to read this thread, fuckwit. You troll this thread endlessly of your own volition, then bitch like crazy you are being forced to believe something against your own will.

Typical attention whoring troll thread.

I am not trolling this thread. I was fascinated by the concept and even agreed with it at first but now because I don't blindly agree that every celeb is an alien clone I must be trolling?

I never claimed I was being forced to do anything, just calling out active aggression when I see it. If you can't handle that other people have other opinions then maybe you are the one that shouldn't be on the forum. Accusing me of "attention whoring" is a bit childish.

Have I said anything to offend you or are you just attacking me because I choose to keep an open mind on this stuff?

[driscol]

Believe what you want. Just don't be a bitch and accuse others of forcing you to believe ideas which are being presented here, which is a total crock.

I don't give a fuck what you believe; I'm calling you out for being a bitch by claiming others are forcing you to believe anything. You are reading these posts of your own volition and continuing to read them of your own free will. No one is forcing you to do that, and no one is forcing you to engage these ideas or take any point of view.

To construe pointing out the facts as an "attack" is simply a reflection of your own paranoia.Once again, never claimed anyone was forcing anything just that someone accused me of being ignorant because I presented my opinion on the subject.

Calling me a bitch isn't helping your case much. If you have an honest problem with what I am saying I am willing to discuss it but all you are doing is attacking me. Yes calling someone a bitch would be an attack.

You have some serious anger issues you need to work on, unless you are just trolling and this is just a goof. I thought you were one of the better posters here but I'm seeing another side of you now and it's a bit disappointing in all honestly.

[driscol]

I am calling you a bitch because you lack the integrity to own up to the fact that you are freely reading these threads, participating in this discussion and then LYING about the fact that you are supposedly being forced to take a position, which as I said, is a total crock. No one forced you to take a position and never will. It's all a figment of your imagination.

I don't care if you are "disappointed" or if your feelings are hurt if someone calls you ignorant. Neither should you. Evaluate the information and then make a decision. Just don't fabricate some garbage that you are being "forced" to believe something.

No one is "forcing" you to do, or to believe, or feel anything. All of these pseudo-defensive measures against fake bogeymen is simply attention whoring, as I've already pointed out.
Find where I said anything about being forced to do anything.
I never made that claim, that is a figment of your imagination.

My feelings are not hurt. I am a grown man, I am not phased by being called a bitch it just disappoints me because I thought you were an adult.

Your entire post is talking about a claim I never made. What "boogeymen" am I fabricating? Is klc_infowarrior not really a poster here? Did I create him from my imagination? All I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy in attacking a person for having an open mind. I never said anything about force.

[driscol]

This is the quote I am referring to. You don't state you're being forced into believing anything--you imply that you are somehow being "conned" or "fooled" into believing something.

All I'm pointing out is that you alone are responsible for what you believe or don't believe. No one forces you to believe anything. Stop putting this shit on someone else's shoulders. The responsibility falls on your shoulders and your shoulders alone.

You really do sound like a bumbling bush: you want to blame someone, you are the innocent one, but you also realize even as you lie to yoursel about it, that it's bullshit. Classic attention whoring and trolling.

I'll admit it was hasty but I still never made the claim that I was forced to do or think anything as your last two posts ranted. If you have a problem with what I said, why not talk about it?

Why do you need to make something up that I never said to argue about? Call me an attention whore trolling bumbling bush if you want, I am willing to admit when I have made a mistake and I don't go around calling everyone I disagree with a "bitch" so if you have something real to say, I will be happy to have a real discussion but I won't continue to fuel your negative hateful rants.

I am aware I am responsible for what I believe, I never claimed otherwise, I was simply annoyed that I was attacked by someone I saw as an open minded person simply because I was keeping an open mind myself. He accused me of being ignorant for not "looking at the evidence" when there was no real evidence to speak of. If you disagree with this, fine but you were not talking about this you were talking about a claim I never even made and after admitting I never said that you are still arguing about it as if I did.

Just admit you made a mistake and all of this could be over.

[driscol]

Like I said, I clarified the point by pointing out that you made the bogus charge that others were conning you or deceiving you. I have pointed out that this is bullshit. On that, we both agree.

Yes I agree that this would be bogus had I ever made that claim but I had not.

I'm starting to wonder if you are the one that is trolling, if so then very well done. Had me going :o

[driscol]

Eh, nice try.

Ok your entire rant was about how I wasn't being forced to do anything and you already proved that you made a mistake because I never made this claim.

Are you done here or should I just start ignoring you?

No offense if I'm wrong but generally the person that comes in ranting about something that never happened and calling someone a bitch is the troll in the thread.

[driscol]

You're a troll. You never present evidence of your own, offer no contributions of any kind, but instead constantly whine and beg and demand "proof." Instead of doing your own research, you continually insult and belittle others who are presenting information and analyzing it.

Again, the more you post, the more you reveal that you are a troll with nothing to offer.

I have contributed, I simply don't have my own blog to link to whenever questioned on something.

I do my own research, not sure where that claim came from.

If you have proof of any of your claims, feel free to post it. Call me a troll if it makes you feel better about the world but I know I'm not a troll and I don't need to prove myself to someone that spews insults as apologetically as you have.

Have a nice life. You win whatever this was supposed to be, I have no desire to argue if you need to win so badly that you start with a fabricated claim.

[driscol]

I have yet to see a post of yours where you posted video evidence, photographic evidence, or any link to a substantive article.

Instead, you whine about others trying to deceive you (bullshit), over and over and over again ad nauseum.

What is it that you've contributed anyway? Aside from your whining, that is.

I haven't whined about anything. If you haven't seen any of the videos I have posted, that is a personal issue not mine. I have just posted something (rather petty I admit but so is this thread) and before I posted the video claymation cartoon with Satan. Also made several contributions to the reptilian forum.

Once again, never claimed that someone forced or deceived me. If you are going to carry on with something you proved yourself wrong on, I have to assume you are a troll.

[driscol]

You haven't posted any evidence in this thread that I've encountered, no.

Evidence of what? I haven't seen any shred of evidence on this thread. Just pictures. Should I post pictures? Is that what you want?
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn169/In-memory-of-Princess-Diana/7179.jpg
Looks like an alien.

That's not at all what the issue is. You started with one thing and your now complaining about something completely different. It's obvious you are just trying to start conflict.

I think you can do that just fine without me.


EDIT: I never accused anyone of fabricating evidence, I just haven't seen any evidence. Again, point out where I made that claim or stop spreading these blatant lies. It's starting to just get sad.

[driscol]

Excellent: photos are not evidence, neither are videos which are only a series of photographs. Words are not evidence, either.

In other words, nothing presented in the thread is evidence. What a bullshitter you are. :)

Seriously, you are so full of shit, it's laughable.

If you are not a troll, sorry you have this strange hatred for me for whatever reason. Have a nice life.

[driscol]

Nice name calling.

Fortunately, you have already exposed yourself as an ignoram-ASS.

As in, you are so stupid, you dismiss ANYTHING and EVERYTHING posted: photos, video and words, as unworthy of consideration as evidence.

Then, you shit on everyone else for their serious efforts to analyze photos and videos and articles and make sense of it.

You are a first class bullshitter, my friend. I knew it from the first time you posted in this thread. :)
I am just trying to make sense of it myself. No name calling in my post, didn't call you anyone a bitch. If you found hostility in the comment you replied to, you may need to just calm down.

[driscol]

No, wrong again. And I will call you out on your bullshit every time. You just stated that you dismiss ALL photos and disregard them as evidence. This means you dismiss all videos as well, since they, too, are simply a series of photos. You dismiss words, of course, since you cannot verify if a person is lying or not.

Please stop trying to mindfuck yourself into believing that you actually take the information here seriously when you already acknowledged you don't.

Never said I disregard them, just that they are not evidence of alien clones.

This is my last response to your posts, all you have done here is make false claims and put words in my mouth.

Hope you have had your fun here.


BTW are you willing to claim that any photo here is proof of the claim that celebrities are being replaced by aliens? If not, you have no right to blindly accuse me of disregarding evidence of such a thing when all you have for "evidence" are pictures of strange looking people.
I don't look anything like I did 5 years ago, that doesn't make me an alien. as much as you may disagree with that statement, aging is not a sign of not being human.

[driscol]

Again, more bullshit. No one here is claiming that "alien clones" have replaced people.

Nor did anyone claim that celebrities were replaced by aliens.

Your head is so far up your ass at this point, it's not even worth replying to your b.s.

I wasn't going to reply but seriously? Nobody made that claim?

You are so obvious now it is unreal. Yes people were making the claim that these people were replaced. You are accusing me of being a "bitch" because I don't see photos of celebs as proof of this theory.

If you can't give me a clear answer to whether you think these photos are proof of this or not then I have no reason to respond to your baiting. I admit, you got me going here. I can't resist replying to such ignorance.

[driscol]

Lol!!!

I know, I was an idiot for saying I wouldn't but at least I admit when I'm wrong.
At least I can admit when I am a hypocrite.

I don't quote Gandhi in my sig and then come into a thread calling another human being a bitch for no reason.


EDIT: that last post....really?

You are either a very good troll or a vary young lad (or lass).

I think you may like this song. Denis Leary - I'm An Asshole - YouTube

[driscol]

Endless reams of bullshit.

refer to edit above.

[driscol]

Do you realize how incoherent your post is?

What do you want me to tell you? Read it slower I guess. You stopped making sense 2 pages ago.

[driscol]

Well, you never made sense to begin with.

You are too dim to figure out that if you don't consider photos, videos or words to be evidence, then it's pointless to use the internet at all, which you are still doing anyway.

You fabricate bullshit accusations that others claim that celebs are really alien replacements.

You cry like an attention whore bitch about being victimized, then visit and troll the thread again non-stop.

You are clearly the dumbest poster on DIF.
So you say the pictures are proof? Proof of what. what are they supposed to be proof of.

Answer this question if you want to discuss the merits of the photos as evidence. If you refuse to admit what you believe then how can you simply call them evidence?
Yes it is photo evidence that these people exist, good work detective. It is not evidence that they are replacement doppelgangers. This is not a claim I made up.

From my post on Doppelgangers

So did you not read the first post or do you not know the meaning of the word doppelganger?

[driscol]

Do you need to repeat yourself? Over again? And over again? Seriously, you were right all along. You're fucked in the head and need help.

I repeat it because you refuse to answer it. I repeat it because you repeat that lie that I said all video and photo evidence was nothing.

What evidence? What are the photos evidence of? Answer this question or admit that you just came here to argue about nothing.

What is a word to describe this? Oh yes, trolling.

Yeah I'm fucked in the head, so is the guy that needs to call someone a bitch online for disagreeing with something while having nothing real to contribute.

[driscol]

Seriously, get some help. This forum is only going to make matters worse for you.

What are you referring to?

What have I said that convinces you that I am crazy and what about this forum makes you think it will be bad for me?

Again, do you have anything real to say or just more vague accusations.

What kind of help? Talking to some guy that will give me some pills?

[driscol]

You've said it yourself.

And what part of an unnatural drug addiction do you think would help me?

What would I need help with? If you know so much, just say it.


Do you honestly think this forum is damaging to people? Then why are you here?

[driscol]

Honestly, I don't think anything would help you. I think you're just fucked.

Just Pm me if you wish to berate me with insults and vague statements about my sanity, we have ran this thread into the ground as far as it needs to go. I would feel bad but I know you won't accept any responsibility for it so why should I?

[driscol]

You've already stated before you're crazy. And I believe you. You've presented ample evidence of it.

I'm sure I am but I haven't presented any evidence of it here. If you think I have then you really don't understand what crazy is. Crazy to you is just different. Either move this to PMs or cut this out completely, I have no desire to drag this on any longer in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

Or make a thread about my sanity in the right forum and we can discuss it there. You have already proven you are a troll so I have no reason to waste any more time with your thread derailing games.

[driscol]

The problem is, you're not only crazy, you're also dumb. That's why I say the problem is nearly insurmountable for you.

Having someone doubly challenged in the way you are, participating on a challenging topic is a serous problem.

What is challenging about this topic? I haven't seen you say one thing about the actual topic. Do you troll like this all the time?

Just pm me with this stuff, you have derailed the thread quite enough. Is there something about that not getting through to you? Do you not know what a PM is?

You came in here ranting, I proved what you claimed wrong. Man up and accept it or continue this childish debate in pms unless you want to be banned.

[driscol]

Well, I would be happy to tell you here what I would tell you in PM: namely, you are stupid first of all, and have serious psychological issues in combination.

You have neither the temperament nor analytical ability to make this information useful for you in anyway.

But, then again, I doubt you'd be able to figure it out or act upon it even if it were sent via pm.

Are you just going to repeat the same thing over and over again? Didn't you whine about someone else doing that same thing earlier?

I made it easier, I sent you a pm since you don't know what that means obviously. either take it there or admit that you only want to stay here on the public forum because you crave attention.

[beyonddimensions]

Are you just going to repeat the same thing over and over again? Didn't you whine about someone else doing that same thing earlier?

I made it easier, I sent you a pm since you don't know what that means obviously. either take it there or admit that you only want to stay here on the public forum because you crave attention.

Don't send me another pm. Thanks!

[driscol]

No thanks, I think it's important to expose how illogical your thought process is here, since you are far and away the most prolific poster in this thread recently, and by a large margin, contribute the least to the topic on hand.

And don't send me another pm. Thanks!

you haven't exposed anything, just derailed this thread. Have fun with that, if all you want is attention then I have nothing more to discuss with you.

[whale]

you haven't exposed anything, just derailed this thread. Have fun with that, if all you want is attention then I have nothing more to discuss with you.

^^ what a timewaster. Thread shafter and attention seeker, contributes a big fat zero.

[jannie baby]

Both of them need to get over themselves and each other.

[dedesuperman]

^^ what a timewaster. Thread shafter and attention seeker, contributes a big fat zero.

What is that?:confused: :eek: 6 pages of vain discussion which does not bring anything to the mill! It is this kind of discussion which often leads the Moderator to locked the thread. I had this kind of experience last year in the thread “Is Paul McCartney is really dead” and other thread related on the replacement of Paul McCartney. :mad:

Instead of discussing in an intelligent way the people concerned insulted themselves constantly and the subject of the thread ('is Paul McCartney really dead') was not discussed any more it was rather discussion turning towards personal attacks. Please folks stay cool! ;)

[klc_infowarrior]

yah driscol you need to get over yourself.:rolleyes: this thread is not about you!


whale needs to post more pics :cool:

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!

is it me... or does apples new CEO look alot like bill gates??

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tim-cook-first-apple-presentation-for-iphone-five__oPt.jpg

http://www.entmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bill-Gates2.jpg

[greydove]

an educated guess would be taking all the information and making any possible interpretation to explain it.

All you people are doing is picking the answer you want and defending it aggressively. Troubled, yes. Extremely troubled, we seem to have a different definition of the word.

I would call "Extremely troubled" something along the lines of torturing small animals for fun and collecting guns in expectation of a massacre.

This is a druggy, possibly traumatized (by endless possible causes) kissing her sister. I fail to see proof of her being replaced here.

For the record I wasn't claiming Lindsay to have been replaced. If you read my posts I haven't mentioned replacement. I'm talking about MK ULTRA trauma based mind control.

This thread used to discuss that aspect as well. Also, Lindsay was kissing her mom, not her sister.

[klc_infowarrior]

Kirstie Alley earlier this month at NYC Fashion Week. Apparently she's lost 100 pounds

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/21/article-0-0DE055E100000578-806_233x687.jpg

and just turned 60!!!!! :eek: what do you guys think??

[driscol]

^^ what a timewaster. Thread shafter and attention seeker, contributes a big fat zero.

Don't even fucking talk to me like that after you worked with that troll for so long.

Stringing me along and then deleting his last comment to make it seem like he quit before I did. Real fucking clever

I'm not stupid, I know you and him are on the same team here. You have been mocking this field since the beginning.

[driscol]

For the record I wasn't claiming Lindsay to have been replaced. If you read my posts I haven't mentioned replacement. I'm talking about MK ULTRA trauma based mind control.

This thread used to discuss that aspect as well. Also, Lindsay was kissing her mom, not her sister.

I never said YOU did. Maybe it's not all about you, have you considered this?

So are you too going to claim that this thread is not about doppelgangers?

[driscol]

yah driscol you need to get over yourself.:rolleyes: this thread is not about you!


whale needs to post more pics :cool:

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!

is it me... or does apples new CEO look alot like bill gates??

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tim-cook-first-apple-presentation-for-iphone-five__oPt.jpg

http://www.entmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bill-Gates2.jpg

How convenient. I expose your lies and attacks right before I am attacked myself, derailing the thread. When we are both gone you are back to posting disinformation.


So what are you claiming? What are these photos trying to prove?

I am asking.



BTW Never claimed this is about me but it's funny that both you and BD use that misdirection tactic of personal insults when debunked.

[driscol]

Kirstie Alley earlier this month at NYC Fashion Week. Apparently she's lost 100 pounds

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/21/article-0-0DE055E100000578-806_233x687.jpg

and just turned 60!!!!! :eek: what do you guys think??

Why don't you tell us what you think? If I say this doesn't prove she has been replaced you will say you never made that claim so what are you trying to say?

That she lost weight? He cares, she's an over hyped clown.

[whale]

Kirstie Alley earlier this month at NYC Fashion Week. Apparently she's lost 100 pounds

and just turned 60!!!!! :eek: what do you guys think??

changed a wee bit ;) darkness.

http://whale.to/b/vcxdx44aqq.jpghttp://whale.to/b/ip7yaph4999.jpg

http://whale.to/b/kirsti37.jpg

[bobthegoon]

Why don't you tell us what you think? If I say this doesn't prove she has been replaced you will say you never made that claim so what are you trying to say?

That she lost weight? He cares, she's an over hyped clown.

Hi Driscol,

I agree with most of what you've been saying (apart from whether people are trolls or not, I'll try and keep out of that).

I am confident that certain people in the entertainment business have been replaced, but am skeptical about how widespread it all is. I'm keeping an open mind, but as I've mentioned in some of my earlier posts, in coming to the conclusion whether someone has been replaced or not, there should be a very detailed analysis of the available media/evidence in order to ascertain whether a replacement is what has occurred.

I think people have got to keep a level head about all this and try and look at things in as scientific manner as possible. Only by doing this and by analysing things in detail can we come to accurate conclusions about what is happening.

On a thread like this it is near impossible to do so, as what is being discussed jumps around so much, leaving little room for proper analysis.

Also, when a thread becomes as long as this, it can kind of lose its purpose. It's fine for interested people to post thoughts, but for someone coming to the subject for the first time, the thread is of a practically insurmountable size. It's simply not practicle.

I think most of what is in this thread is lacking, also, less than 10% of it is of any interest most probably, and searching for that 10% is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

For the record, I don't believe in the cloning aspect. I'm not saying it definitely isn't happening, I recognize it as a possibility - but I've seen little evidence to show that it is. It wouldn't surprise me, but as it stands it looks like pure speculation to me.

edit: there is much evidence available which proves that replacements have happened, photographic forensic proof at that. Not sure how much of it is displayed in this thread though. I'll post an interesting example of someone who has been widely discussed in the course of this thread, over the next day or so to show what I mean.

[driscol]

Hi Driscol,

I agree with most of what you've been saying (apart from whether people are trolls or not, I'll try and keep out of that).

I am confident that certain people in the entertainment business have been replaced, but am skeptical about how widespread it all is. I'm keeping an open mind, but as I've mentioned in some of my earlier posts, in coming to the conclusion whether someone has been replaced or not, there should be a very detailed analysis of the available media/evidence in order to ascertain whether a replacement is what has occurred.

I think people have got to keep a level head about all this and try and look at things in as scientific manner as possible. Only by doing this and by analysing things in detail can we come to accurate conclusions about what is happening.

On a thread like this it is near impossible to do so, as what is being discussed jumps around so much, leaving little room for proper analysis.

Also, when a thread becomes as long as this, it can kind of lose its purpose. It's fine for interested people to post thoughts, but for someone coming to the subject for the first time, the thread is of a practically insurmountable size. It's simply not practicle.

I think most of what is in this thread is lacking, also, less than 10% of it is of any interest most probably, and searching for that 10% is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

For the record, I don't believe in the cloning aspect. I'm not saying it definitely isn't happening, I recognize it as a possibility - but I've seen little evidence to show that it is. It wouldn't surprise me, but as it stands it looks like pure speculation to me.

edit: there is much evidence available which proves that replacements have happened, photographic forensic proof at that. Not sure how much of it is displayed in this thread though. I'll post an interesting example of someone who has been widely discussed in the course of this thread, over the next day or so to show what I mean.
Thanks for understanding, I know I lost it before but I doubt many others wouldn't do the same if confronted with such ignorance.

Just trying to keep an open mind myself.

I would like to see that evidence if you can post it here.

[pound]

I was watching the news just the other day, and I thought to myself "why is Vince Vaughn giving a speech about Troy Davis"? Soon after, the captions popped up and the Vaughn look-a-like was in fact NAACP president Ben Jealous. The physical similarities are astonishing between these two.

Ben Jealous:

http://oneradical.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ben-todd-jealous2.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/02/magazine/02q4-600.jpghttp://haveyouseenmyblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/naacp.jpg?w=292&h=219

Vince Vaughn:

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/v/vaughn/Grani_2927458_Max.jpghttp://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/10/vince_narrowweb__300x458,0.jpg

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/14/733b8c2c-b1b1-4ff9-8a74-df60d5e2a096.jpg

[mistyblue]

I agree there is quite a resemblence between Vince Vaughn and Ben Jealous. Even more astonishing is the resemblence between Bill Gates and the Apple CEO - what are the odds of that, I ask you? All my life I have never seen anybody who looked like me that wasn't related, nor have I ever seen anybody look so much like somebody else that I mistook them (if unrelated). But the 2 CEO's of the biggest computer companies in the world looking so alike? This smells.

Misty

[realityisalways]

changed a wee bit ;) darkness.

http://whale.to/b/vcxdx44aqq.jpghttp://whale.to/b/ip7yaph4999.jpg

http://whale.to/b/kirsti37.jpg

Its called plastic surgery and aging, I know it from experience :)

[the game]

WWE pro-wrestlers John Cena and Darren Young:


John Cena
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af126/iKiLlFrEeMaSoNs/Cena.jpg


Darren Young
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af126/iKiLlFrEeMaSoNs/Darren-Young-season-1-wwe-nxt-12759871-282-350.jpg

The resemblance is uncanny, although I coudn't find a better image of Darren Young.

[klc_infowarrior]

I agree there is quite a resemblence between Vince Vaughn and Ben Jealous. Even more astonishing is the resemblence between Bill Gates and the Apple CEO - what are the odds of that, I ask you? All my life I have never seen anybody who looked like me that wasn't related, nor have I ever seen anybody look so much like somebody else that I mistook them (if unrelated). But the 2 CEO's of the biggest computer companies in the world looking so alike? This smells.

Misty


I just thought of steven hawking too

http://www.disclose.tv/files/videos/thumbnails/23ef5cf238a3b88_1.jpg


he sort of looks like he comes from the same stock. ...makes me wonder...what the parents of these 3 gentlemen were up to 50 yrs ago.



http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tim-cook-first-apple-presentation-for-iphone-five__oPt.jpg

http://www.entmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bill-Gates2.jpg

[driscol]

I just thought of steven hawking too

http://www.disclose.tv/files/videos/thumbnails/23ef5cf238a3b88_1.jpg


he sort of looks like he comes from the same stock. ...makes me wonder...what the parents of these 3 gentlemen were up to 50 yrs ago.



http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tim-cook-first-apple-presentation-for-iphone-five__oPt.jpg

http://www.entmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bill-Gates2.jpg

Could you post a picture of yourself so we can figure out who you are cloned from?

Joking of course. Am I? Actually no, could you do that?


You can see this stuff everywhere. David Icke and Stephen king appear to be cut from the same cloth much like Bill Hicks and Alex Jones (when AJ starts to channel his "evil officer" it sounds a little like goat boy) but what does that mean?

Could you introduce a theory or do you prefer making vague claims with carefully selected pictures?

[christ4life]

someone posted this on another forum and thought I'd share it here

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/5851268946_dae0fbd818_b.jpg






Interestingly...the ebay listing was since removed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nicolas-Cage-Vampire-Photo-1870-Tennessee-/260821098271?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3cba261f1f


This is an article of a photographer during those civil war times
http://www.timesnews.net/blogger.php?id=10239&postid=7209

what do you guys think?? hoax or real??

anyone have any skills detecting photo manipulation??

If this photo is real ...I say wow. :eek: I find it funny how the owner of the photograph concluded the same things we have here in stepford thread. ((((some sort of
walking undead / vampire, et cetera, who quickens / reinvents
himself once every 75 years or so. 150 years from now, he might
be a politician, the leader of a cult, or a talk show host. )))))

Nick Cage is a time traveler just kidding but is very strange. Would this make you wounder if there is a God that creates people who are similar but different?

[realityisalways]

Stars breaking free or having glitchs in their programming?

This is actress Kim Delaney who is better known for her first role in "All My Children" (1970) as Jenny Gardner. She has been nominated for many acting awards, winning an Emmy for her role in "NYPD Blue" (1993). She has continued to star in both television and theater, as well as in films like Rules of Engagement (1995) and Mission to Mars (2000).

This happened this September 22nd where she was supposed to give a speech during the Liberty Medal Award presentation to Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, but she ended up getting taken off from the stage:

What's Wrong With Kim Delaney? - YouTube

This is Mariah Carey's erratic appearance On MTV's Total Request Live, shortly after that she was reported to have a nervous breakdown and was taken to rehab for quite a while (reprogramming?):

Mariah Carey on TRL - July 19, 2001 - YouTube

This is very disturbing footage of the late Anna Nicole Smith months before her death. It illustrates the sad state of numbness and control most stars have around their handlers. Its worth noting that around that time she stared on the reality tv show" The Anna Nicole Smith Show where she showed her erratic behavior which was obvious and instead of people and the media understanding it as a desperate cry for help try to intervene, we just made fun of her until it was late. Let's remember that her son died few time before she did in very strange circumstances, enabling the perfect situation for some of her handlers to get her money when dead/killed.

Anna Nicole Wacked Out Of Her Mind In Clown Makeup! - YouTube

Here Britney seems to have a glitch after saying the word "weird". Is "weird" a trigger word in her programming? In those interested in the sad case of Spears please watch Britney's "On the Record" documentary, its portrays in an almost overt way how she is controlled and handled by basically everyone around her, how she has no saying in even the most trivial aspects of her life, and how sad is the life she is living. If something happens to her someday, that documentary will be seen under a very different light by her fans. It is really shocking, she seems like a captive circus animal who is ushered to tv shows and stages against her will in order for her handlers to make money and shows some really creepy interactions with her father.

The "glitch" happens around the :40 second mark:
Britney Spears crying over Justin - YouTube

This Britney footage also reminds of the Anna Nicole Smith footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBMMc3QAWCs

[dedesuperman]

There is another 2 actors who seem to have or share the same facial features.
The first one is David James Elliot played in the tv series JAG

http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-71131/david-james-elliott-2.jpg

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90-473-488-90/10/1063/D1NL000Z/posters/david-james-elliott.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/David%20James%20Elliot-6.jpg

The second one is Eddie McClintock played in the tv series Warehouse 13

http://img.poptower.com/pic-9678/eddie-mcclintock.jpg?d=1024

http://members.shaw.ca/lookalikes/pictures/EddieMcClintock.jpg

http://static4.imagecollect.com/preview/138/bdc36f09847e59d

[whale]

Its called plastic surgery and aging, I know it from experience :)

You can't change the eyes and spirit by plastic surgery.

Who is that CEO? I though Steve Ballmer was microsoft CEO
http://www.bruceongames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/steve-ballmer-ceo-of-microsoft.jpg

Jessica Parker feet
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/24/article-2041312-0E0D0C9000000578-567_233x303.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2041312/Sarah-Jessica-Parker-sports-unsightly-bulging-veins-feet.html

some early monroe pics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041285/Marilyn-Monroes-photoshoot-Superstars-early-modelling-photos-revealed-bankruptcy-judge-orders-sale.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/24/article-2041285-0E0EAEFA00000578-70_634x492.jpg

[driscol]

You can't change the eyes and spirit by plastic surgery.

Who is that CEO? I though Steve Ballmer was microsoft CEO
http://www.bruceongames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/steve-ballmer-ceo-of-microsoft.jpg

Jessica Parker feet
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/24/article-2041312-0E0D0C9000000578-567_233x303.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2041312/Sarah-Jessica-Parker-sports-unsightly-bulging-veins-feet.html

some early monroe pics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041285/Marilyn-Monroes-photoshoot-Superstars-early-modelling-photos-revealed-bankruptcy-judge-orders-sale.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/24/article-2041285-0E0EAEFA00000578-70_634x492.jpg

Eyes can change (color changes for certain people and of course contacts are an obvious one) but really....spirit? You can see spirit now?

Can you show us a picture of this spirit then?

[klc_infowarrior]

Who is that CEO? I though Steve Ballmer was microsoft CEO


its the new CEO of Apple. Tim Cook
http://www.zurmat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/new-apple-CEO-Tim-Cook.jpg

which I think he looks alot like Bill Gates
http://www.entmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bill-Gates2.jpg

[whale]

^^ thanks.

Bruni looks weird now, her baby is meant to be Bono's btw
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/21/article-0-0DF2963800000578-761_233x601.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/16/article-1258233-08B7267C000005DC-11_468x548.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/21/article-0-0DF0A6A500000578-135_468x507.jpg

1975
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/16/article-1258233-08BB089E000005DC-760_233x404.jpg

[klc_infowarrior]

holy crap :eek: that pic of carli doesn't even look human


she used to be very pretty
http://wallcrow.com/images/C/Carla%20Bruni/Carla%20Bruni-0142.jpg

now she's like the rest ...a transformed freak monster thing
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Sy7q_MKLKv4/TBG--rnH_ZI/AAAAAAAABtw/xjnTMSjC32k/Carla%20Bruni%20Botox%20Addict_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[klc_infowarrior]

Guess who??

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/24/article-2041391-0E10AD5F00000578-851_468x723.jpg

[driscol]

holy crap :eek: that pic of carli doesn't even look human


she used to be very pretty
http://wallcrow.com/images/C/Carla%20Bruni/Carla%20Bruni-0142.jpg

now she's like the rest ...a transformed freak monster thing
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Sy7q_MKLKv4/TBG--rnH_ZI/AAAAAAAABtw/xjnTMSjC32k/Carla%20Bruni%20Botox%20Addict_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
That doesn't look human to you?

Do you have a picture of when she was pretty?

[bobthegoon]

That doesn't look human to you?

Do you have a picture of when she was pretty?

She looks human, but certainly very weird.

I haven't found the time the last couple of days that I'd hoped to put together the picture comparisons I've been planning to do, but I will get round to it.

Here's a picture comparison of Bristol Palin. Notice the difference in the chin. I post this as an example of how significant surgery to a prominent facial feature makes no difference in recognising whether someone is the same or not. These pictures are of the same person, the one on the right after a chin implant:

http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110506/640/eye_on_stars_640_01.jpg

Some more examples, all of nose surgery. Despite these significant changes to a prominent facial feature, (and there being a nmber of years between each comparison) the core facial values of these three people are the same, and so of course still all look the same person, which they are.

Scarlet Johansson nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/199013720_90afeda71c.jpg

Keira Knightley nose surgery:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4626/2551/1600/KKnightley%20BandA.jpg

Kate Winslet nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/172543581_6e1de3675f.jpg

It's useful to look at these type of before and after surgery photos, firstly to be aware of what is possible with surgery, and secondly to see how in fact significant surgery does not change the core values of the face. It is in recognising the 'core values' of a persons face, (breaking the conditioning and becoming more atuned in our facial recognition abilities, is one way of looking at it) is important when coming to the conclusion whether a replacement has happened or not.

[driscol]

She looks human, but certainly very weird.

I haven't found the time the last couple of days that I'd hoped to put together the picture comparisons I've been planning to do, but I will get round to it.

Here's a picture comparison of Bristol Palin. Notice the difference in the chin. I post this as an example of how significant surgery to a prominent facial feature makes no difference in recognising whether someone is the same or not. These pictures are of the same person, the one on the right after a chin implant:

http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110506/640/eye_on_stars_640_01.jpg

Some more examples, all of nose surgery. Despite these significant changes to a prominent facial feature, (and there being a nmber of years between each comparison) the core facial values of these three people are the same, and so of course still all look the same person, which they are.

Scarlet Johansson nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/199013720_90afeda71c.jpg

Keira Knightley nose surgery:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4626/2551/1600/KKnightley%20BandA.jpg

Kate Winslet nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/172543581_6e1de3675f.jpg

It's useful to look at these type of before and after surgery photos, firstly to be aware of what is possible with surgery, and secondly to see how in fact significant surgery does not change the core values of the face. It is in recognising the 'core values' of a persons face, (breaking the conditioning and becoming more atuned in our facial recognition abilities, is one way of looking at it) is important when coming to the conclusion whether a replacement has happened or not.

There are different kinds of surgery though, not all the same. I remember seeing one guy on tv who had like a record for it or something and he really looked like a fucking alien. His face was completely distorted and messed up.

There are extremes to these things.
Still I don't get how any of these are replacements. There is really no reason for replacement when anyone that desires to be famous will already act like a whore for it.

[whale]

^^ Yes, notice no change in the eyes.

Here is an eye change
http://whale.to/b/before62.jpg
Heche

Al Gore, before and after. Sanpaku too
http://whale.to/b/kr26ps5ugore.jpghttp://whale.to/b/rp9b431bgorexx.jpg

Gore now also has arched/diabolical eyebrows which can be a sign of botox http://inyourface.ocregister.com/2009/11/11/doctors-analyze-al-gores-diabolical-eyebrows/12243/

[bobthegoon]

There are different kinds of surgery though, not all the same. I remember seeing one guy on tv who had like a record for it or something and he really looked like a fucking alien. His face was completely distorted and messed up.

There are extremes to these things.
Still I don't get how any of these are replacements. There is really no reason for replacement when anyone that desires to be famous will already act like a whore for it.

Yes, there are extreme examples, but they are the few exceptions.

The examples I gave were to illustrate one thing in particular: that possibly the most important aspect of what makes someone distinctily look like who they are has much less to do with the shape of a nose, or other minor changes to individual features, and has everything to do with the structure of the face. These are listed as follows:

Shape of the skull
Size of the skull
Size of the forehead
Length of the jawbone
Width of the jawbone
Distance between the eyes
How far the eye sockets recess into the skull
Size of the eye sockets
Distance from the bottom eyelids/eye sockets to the bottom of the nose
Length of the nose
Distance of the bottom of the nose to the top of the top lip
Placement of the ears
Shape of the eyes
The width of the mouth
The inner part of the ear
The earlobe (it may grow bigger in old age but it will not change from attached to unattached etc)


Almost all of these simply can not be changed with any kind of surgery. An exception is width of the jaw, which can made to temporarily appear to be wider/not as wide as it naturally is through implants (which only last for a certain time) or by a painful and extreme reduction operation (where the effect is mostly negligible anyway) respectively.

All of these factors combine together to create a unique 'face print' that is instantly recognisable.

It is when one or more of these factors are off that the brain realises something is wrong with what they are seeing. Never encountering this strange 'sensation' before in their day-to-day lives, they interpret this feeling and what they are seeing in the most rational way, putting it down to 'age' or 'weight-loss' or 'plastic-surgery'.

The problem with the replacements is that their changes cannot be explained by these factors. Almost all replacements keep about the same weight. The change in all of the replacements can (almost by definition) be narrowed down to having happened within months, so age can all but be ruled out. Also, the difference in most of the replacements facial features are negligible, so even plastic surgery is hard to count as a reason for the way a person has 'changed'.

And as I showed in my examples, even when a person has had a significant operation, they are still instantly recognisable.

Put simply, the man who we are supposed to believe is Paul McCartney cannot be him because it has been proven that his skull is a completely different shape (from wide and round to longer and thinner) and his ears are clearly unattached while they used to be undoubtedly attached. There is no way around these facts.

Even the extreme case you saw on tv, I would bet just about all of the structural aspects I have listed at the top of my post have remained exactly the same.

Have you got a link to this example?

[klc_infowarrior]

That doesn't look human to you?

Do you have a picture of when she was pretty?

The 1st photo is her in her prime (when she was modelling).

the 2nd photo is her as a monster (after she was stepforded).

Driscol: it is my rightful opinion to state that these people don't look HUMAN.

human means: "natural looking"

she's going to end up looking like michael jackson soon...unrecognizable from her original face.

(note: I did not say she was an alien)

[klc_infowarrior]

She looks human, but certainly very weird.

I haven't found the time the last couple of days that I'd hoped to put together the picture comparisons I've been planning to do, but I will get round to it.

Here's a picture comparison of Bristol Palin. Notice the difference in the chin. I post this as an example of how significant surgery to a prominent facial feature makes no difference in recognising whether someone is the same or not. These pictures are of the same person, the one on the right after a chin implant:

http://img.izismile.com/img/img4/20110506/640/eye_on_stars_640_01.jpg

Some more examples, all of nose surgery. Despite these significant changes to a prominent facial feature, (and there being a nmber of years between each comparison) the core facial values of these three people are the same, and so of course still all look the same person, which they are.

Scarlet Johansson nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/199013720_90afeda71c.jpg

Keira Knightley nose surgery:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4626/2551/1600/KKnightley%20BandA.jpg

Kate Winslet nose surgery:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/73/172543581_6e1de3675f.jpg

It's useful to look at these type of before and after surgery photos, firstly to be aware of what is possible with surgery, and secondly to see how in fact significant surgery does not change the core values of the face. It is in recognising the 'core values' of a persons face, (breaking the conditioning and becoming more atuned in our facial recognition abilities, is one way of looking at it) is important when coming to the conclusion whether a replacement has happened or not.

Bob

those are PERFECT example of celebs who have had plastic surgery but the original features REMAIN IN TACT.

Thank you.

Atleast they still look "human" with natural human features.




Some of these people (like bruni) start looking like monsters with unrecognizable features and do not even remotely look like the original.

[driscol]

The 1st photo is her in her prime (when she was modelling).

the 2nd photo is her as a monster (after she was stepforded).

Driscol: it is my rightful opinion to state that these people don't look HUMAN.

human means: "natural looking"

she's going to end up looking like michael jackson soon...unrecognizable from her original face.

(note: I did not say she was an alien)

It is your opinion and you can say it all you want but it doesn't make it "right" they both look human to me and her "prime" looks pretty damn ugly.

Oh you didn't say she was alien, just not human? So what do you think she is?

Once again, refusing to say an actual theory but trying to hard to paint a picture.

[driscol]

Yes, there are extreme examples, but they are the few exceptions.

The examples I gave were to illustrate one thing in particular: that possibly the most important aspect of what makes someone distinctily look like who they are has much less to do with the shape of a nose, or other minor changes to individual features, and has everything to do with the structure of the face. These are listed as follows:

Shape of the skull
Size of the skull
Size of the forehead
Length of the jawbone
Width of the jawbone
Distance between the eyes
How far the eye sockets recess into the skull
Size of the eye sockets
Distance from the bottom eyelids/eye sockets to the bottom of the nose
Length of the nose
Distance of the bottom of the nose to the top of the top lip
Placement of the ears
Shape of the eyes
The width of the mouth
The inner part of the ear
The earlobe (it may grow bigger in old age but it will not change from attached to unattached etc)


Almost all of these simply can not be changed with any kind of surgery. An exception is width of the jaw, which can made to temporarily appear to be wider/not as wide as it naturally is through implants (which only last for a certain time) or by a painful and extreme reduction operation (where the effect is mostly negligible anyway) respectively.

All of these factors combine together to create a unique 'face print' that is instantly recognisable.

It is when one or more of these factors are off that the brain realises something is wrong with what they are seeing. Never encountering this strange 'sensation' before in their day-to-day lives, they interpret this feeling and what they are seeing in the most rational way, putting it down to 'age' or 'weight-loss' or 'plastic-surgery'.

The problem with the replacements is that their changes cannot be explained by these factors. Almost all replacements keep about the same weight. The change in all of the replacements can (almost by definition) be narrowed down to having happened within months, so age can all but be ruled out. Also, the difference in most of the replacements facial features are negligible, so even plastic surgery is hard to count as a reason for the way a person has 'changed'.

And as I showed in my examples, even when a person has had a significant operation, they are still instantly recognisable.

Put simply, the man who we are supposed to believe is Paul McCartney cannot be him because it has been proven that his skull is a completely different shape (from wide and round to longer and thinner) and his ears are clearly unattached while they used to be undoubtedly attached. There is no way around these facts.

Even the extreme case you saw on tv, I would bet just about all of the structural aspects I have listed at the top of my post have remained exactly the same.

Have you got a link to this example?
I'll post a few.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=world+record+for+plastic+surgery&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=630&tbm=isch&tbnid=2GR7pfkskG7LgM:&imgrefurl=http://www.funnypictures.net.au/plastic-surgery/&docid=zveTh3rUeTFflM&w=450&h=513&ei=O4J_TvHDCKyOsALf84Af&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=94&vpy=156&dur=1346&hovh=240&hovw=210&tx=122&ty=65&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=118&start=0&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.

Can't find the guy right now, will post him later when I find him. Looked alot like the woman here.

Problem is many of the features you listed will change over time. I don't look close to how I looked five years ago and I have never had any major surgery of any kind.

People seem to underestimate the ability of cosmetic surgery and the aging process. The pictures posted of Al Gore don't even look different, he just looks older and fatter.


http://www.google.com/imgres?q=plastic+surgery+guy+on+dr+phil&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=630&tbm=isch&tbnid=U3ayZKEt8FGxbM:&imgrefurl=http://1201am.blogspot.com/&docid=n0cv-GNTks9AIM&w=425&h=316&ei=nIN_TpDwL6qMsALUwMQr&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=268&vpy=322&dur=1363&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=75&ty=161&page=1&tbnh=133&tbnw=175&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0


other guy.

[merlincove]

Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.



Take a look at this thread for how to's :D

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=30387

[driscol]

Take a look at this thread for how to's :D

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=30387

thanks.

[bobthegoon]

I'll post a few.
Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.

Can't find the guy right now, will post him later when I find him. Looked alot like the woman here.

Problem is many of the features you listed will change over time. I don't look close to how I looked five years ago and I have never had any major surgery of any kind.

People seem to underestimate the ability of cosmetic surgery and the aging process. The pictures posted of Al Gore don't even look different, he just looks older and fatter.


I doubt it. You may think so, but people's feature don't just change. People might put on shed-loads of weight, lose their hair/go grey have dental work done, age 20 years, etc but all the core values of their face will be exact. I don't know anyone who hasn't always looked the samem disregarding such superficial criteria. 99.999999999% of people in the public eye always look the same, bar a small number of replacements, whether between the ages of 20 amd 60.

The top link is to the woman who is probably the single most famous example (after Michael Jackson I guess) of botched/terrible plastic surgery.

I did a google and found her name, Jocelyn Wildenstein.

The before and after pictures are instructive:

http://www.youngeryou.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/28-May-1998_Wildenstein_before2.jpghttp://www.ilrock.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/jocelyn-wildenstein.jpg

The picure on the left is from 1998 (probably already had work done by the looks of it), the one on the right is much more recent. Plenty of work done, chin implants, lip and cheek fillers, possible/probable facelift(s) - she's about as extreme example as you're going to get, but to me you can still tell it's the woman on the left. Edit: The major changes are the massive chin implant and the lip filler, apart from that she actually looks pretty close to me. 2nd EDIT: The nose looks practially identical, also, though hard to tell from just the two images.

Based on the criteria I listed on my earlier post everything is, as I would expect, the same. The distance between the eyes, the shape and size of the eyes, distance of eyes from bottom of nose, size and shape of the forehead, the shape and size of the brow, distance of bottom of nose to the top of the top lip is virtually identical despite the horrendous lip-filler job, length of nose bone, etc. Even on these two solitary photos with slightly different facial expressions, the bigger smile and the small smile still have the same character about it to me.

It's actually a good example that illustrates my point I think, plastic surgery can do a lot but even with the most extreme examples it fails to hide what I call the 'core values' of the face.

The structural elements of the face and skull are set and bascially can't be changed past adolesence. They are the limits that any surgeon has to work around when altering a persons 'look' through surgery.

I'll be back with further comparisons.

[driscol]

I doubt it. You may think so, but people's feature don't just change. People might put on shed-loads of weight, lose their hair/go grey have dental work done, age 20 years, etc but all the core values of their face will be exact. I don't know anyone who hasn't always looked the samem disregarding such superficial criteria. 99.999999999% of people in the public eye always look the same, bar a small number of replacements, whether between the ages of 20 amd 60.

The top link is to the woman who is probably the single most famous example (after Michael Jackson I guess) of botched/terrible plastic surgery.

I did a google and found her name, Jocelyn Wildenstein.

The before and after pictures are instructive:

http://www.youngeryou.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/28-May-1998_Wildenstein_before2.jpghttp://www.ilrock.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/jocelyn-wildenstein.jpg

The picure on the left is from 1998 (probably already had work done by the looks of it), the one on the right is much more recent. Plenty of work done, chin implants, lip and cheek fillers, possible/probable facelift(s) - she's about as extreme example as you're going to get, but to me you can still tell it's the woman on the left. Edit: The major changes are the massive chin implant and the lip filler, apart from that she actually looks pretty close to me. 2nd EDIT: The nose looks practially identical, also, though hard to tell from just the two images.

Based on the criteria I listed on my earlier post everything is, as I would expect, the same. The distance between the eyes, the shape and size of the eyes, distance of eyes from bottom of nose, size and shape of the forehead, the shape and size of the brow, distance of bottom of nose to the top of the top lip is virtually identical despite the horrendous lip-filler job, length of nose bone, etc. Even on these two solitary photos with slightly different facial expressions, the bigger smile and the small smile still have the same character about it to me.

It's actually a good example that illustrates my point I think, plastic surgery can do a lot but even with the most extreme examples it fails to hide what I call the 'core values' of the face.

The structural elements of the face and skull are set and bascially can't be changed past adolesence. They are the limits that any surgeon has to work around when altering a persons 'look' through surgery.

I'll be back with further comparisons.

I don't doubt it. I know what I looked like before and I know what I look like now. My head is bigger, less round.

I can see what you are trying to say here but I don't understand how it pertains since I have yet to see a photo of somebody who has had their eyes change position or something of that nature.
Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

yes she looks pretty close to you, just like the pictures of al gore and lohan still look pretty close to me. Small changes, that's all I see being pointed out here. To me the one on the right actually appears to have a longer nose and the eyes look smaller and farther apart. It's just perspective. Her head also appears to be larger and rounder.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I see no real evidence of replacements. They all still look like the same person to me.

[bobthegoon]

I don't doubt it. I know what I looked like before and I know what I look like now. My head is bigger, less round.

I can see what you are trying to say here but I don't understand how it pertains since I have yet to see a photo of somebody who has had their eyes change position or something of that nature.Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

yes she looks pretty close to you, just like the pictures of al gore and lohan still look pretty close to me. Small changes, that's all I see being pointed out here. To me the one on the right actually appears to have a longer nose and the eyes look smaller and farther apart. It's just perspective. Her head also appears to be larger and rounder.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I see no real evidence of replacements. They all still look like the same person to me.

Al Gore looks pretty close to me as well. Which Lohan are you talking about? If it's Lindsey then I admit I'm a bit suspicious though I don't think it's been proven that she's been replaced, maybe my suspicions are unfounded. If you're talking about her sister then I think she looks completely different.

As regards your head getting bigger and rounder, well, I don't know you. But what I do know that people's skulls don't change in size and shape past a certain age, so unless you're in you're mid-to-late teens where it could change a little due to puberty, you're skull is the same shape as it was before an always will be. You could technically say your head is a little 'bigger' I guess if you've put on several stone in weight and it shows in your face, but this is not the same thing as you skull changing. If you think your skull has changed then get to a doctor, sharpish. ;)

Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

I've wondered this myself as well. I think for the most part no, though. If they did then they're not making a pretty good job of some of the replacements regardless.

I still think they recruit someone who looks similar, and refine their existing features as best as they can so they look more like the original. Noses can be altered to be more approximate to somebody else's certainly. Chins can be implanted, clefts can be added, moles can be created/simulated, ears can be pinned back, lips can be injected to become 'fuller' etc.

As to the bit in bold, here's a good starting point. This illustrates the difference in skull shape between McCartney 1 and McCartney 2:

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html

A good resource for information/photo evidence on the McCartney issue:

http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi

[mountainwarrior]

what about ryan gosling

guy was in mickey mouse club now in movie where he smashes someones face into a mushy pulp, has a band called 'dead mans bones'

some programming is goin on there like the rest of the mickey mouse crew

[greydove]

what about ryan gosling

guy was in mickey mouse club now in movie where he smashes someones face into a mushy pulp, has a band called 'dead mans bones'

some programming is goin on there like the rest of the mickey mouse crew

Weird....A thirty year old man celebrates his birthday at Disneyland, not with his girlfriend or male peers, but with a group of random unrelated kids....And the news reports on it....

What goes on?

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/11/14/ryan-gosling-birthday-boy-at-disneyland/


"Ryan Gosling celebrates his 30th birthday by giving a group of young kids the VIP treatment at Disneyland on Sunday (November 14) in Anaheim, Calif.

The Blue Valentine actor even wore a pin that said “Happy Birthday Ryan!”"

[greydove]

Angelina Jolie's kids are getting "replaced" right before our eyes... Along with Suri Cruise.

Keep in mind that replacement is not always about doubles and clones(though I don't doubt that its possible).

Its also about eradicating a person's soul and consciousness so their core spiritual /psychological make-up does not play out as originally intended..

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/09/26/angelina-jolie-playdate-at-gwen-stefanis-house/

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/09/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2011/09/jolie-stefani/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house-05.jpg

Take note of the maniacal, intoxicated look of the mothers, and the dazed unhappy looks on the kids faces.

I can't tell whether that's bruising on Shiloh's face or the remnants of face paint, but that is one of the most unhappy little girls I've seen coming from a playdate in a long time.

Note also (at the link) that Gwen Stefani's shirt reads: Too Much Too young

http://celebbabylaundry.com/2011/09/suri-cruise-trapped-in-tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-crazy-world/

http://celebbabylaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lifeandstyle.jpg

"In the October 3rd, 2011 issue of Life & Style their cover story is ‘Hollywood Kids: Too Much Too Soon’. The story features Suri Cruise daughter of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. The magazine claims to have the crazy details on how Suri is trapped in Tom and Katie’s crazy world. They go on to claim that Suri was pulled out of school to go to Fashion week and that they encourage her to wear dark lipstick and heels. This lipstick claim stems from pictures that were recently released of Suri at Chelsea market wearing red lipstick."

[mrholyrussian]

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2011/09/jolie-stefani/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house-05.jpg


snake toy...

[mrholyrussian]

Putin face this summer at lake Seleger during meetings with russian students
http://aifudm.net/ziLadys/editor_files/d37fdf64399d.jpg
http://aifudm.net/ziLadys/news/img80515137.jpg
http://beta.inosmi.ru/images/17292/09/172920950.jpg

[whale]

Looks like we have 3 Putins

'Among these top spies were three Vladimir Putins. They all looked like Vladimir Putin and went by the names 'Valenti Putin', Alexia Putin' and Alexander Putin'. Vladimir Putin was 'Alexia Putin'. When I contacted the Russian Embassy via the Auckland Public Library on 7 May 2003 and asked them if Vladimir Putin had ever been in New Zealand, they replied "No, but we get asked that question a lot. The only time he had been in New Zealand was during the 1999 APEC conference" ... so here's the photo of Putin in Wellington in 1986.'-- p.213 How To Take Over the World. A Right Royal Con by Greg Hallett & Spymaster

http://whale.to/b/putin_nz.jpg
Slit eyes
http://whale.to/b/putineye4519i.jpg

[cotarddelusion]

Angelina Jolie's kids are getting "replaced" right before our eyes... Along with Suri Cruise.

Keep in mind that replacement is not always about doubles and clones(though I don't doubt that its possible).

Its also about eradicating a person's soul and consciousness so their core spiritual /psychological make-up does not play out as originally intended..

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/09/26/angelina-jolie-playdate-at-gwen-stefanis-house/

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2011/09/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2011/09/jolie-stefani/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house-05.jpg

Take note of the maniacal, intoxicated look of the mothers, and the dazed unhappy looks on the kids faces.

I can't tell whether that's bruising on Shiloh's face or the remnants of face paint, but that is one of the most unhappy little girls I've seen coming from a playdate in a long time.

Note also (at the link) that Gwen Stefani's shirt reads: Too Much Too young

http://celebbabylaundry.com/2011/09/suri-cruise-trapped-in-tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-crazy-world/

http://celebbabylaundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lifeandstyle.jpg

"In the October 3rd, 2011 issue of Life & Style their cover story is ‘Hollywood Kids: Too Much Too Soon’. The story features Suri Cruise daughter of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. The magazine claims to have the crazy details on how Suri is trapped in Tom and Katie’s crazy world. They go on to claim that Suri was pulled out of school to go to Fashion week and that they encourage her to wear dark lipstick and heels. This lipstick claim stems from pictures that were recently released of Suri at Chelsea market wearing red lipstick."

My immediate thought about the paint on shiloh's face was that its a bruise... very very disturbing, and they all look traumatized.

This is the pic of suri in lipstick...

http://thecelebritystork.com/files/2011/09/Suri-Lipstick.jpg

The poor child looks quite miserable.

[hobo]

My immediate thought about the paint on shiloh's face was that its a bruise... very very disturbing, and they all look traumatized.

This is the pic of suri in lipstick...

http://thecelebritystork.com/files/2011/09/Suri-Lipstick.jpg

The poor child looks quite miserable.

So does her mother.Loveless and joyless. A depressing sight.
This little girl looks like she needs to be rescued asap.

[cotarddelusion]

Too long to check, but I wanted to share this blog entry from psuedo-occult media...

Its old, but very fascinating too me as I have never thought to compare the deaths of both alexander mcqueen and isabella blow (the lady whom discovered him)

Its first worth looking at some of mcqueens shows... shows I loved very much I must say, but looking at them now is quite remarkable now im learning about occult symbolism...

Alexander McQueen - Autumn/Winter 2001 & Spring/Summer 2002 - YouTube

This is what was written on the blog about this clip:

"Here is another intriguing show to finish which I had not posted from one of his Autumn/Winter 2001 show (carousel horses, venetian mask makeup) and after it in the same video, a short clip of a show the following year (model as the Spanish bull fighting impaled sacrificial bull)."

The show is full-on illuminati sacrifice / models like MK clowns prancing around a carrousel / child snatcher voice clip / rosemarys baby theme music... to me the models represent MK victims, lured into the illuminati underworld, total programmed and broken mentally to become slaves... and of corse the bull sacrifice kind of represents what happens to MK victims doesn't it...

Then there was this show:

Alexander McQueen 2001.mp4 - YouTube

Notice the women at the beginning, the glass falls to reveal a naked women in a gas mask, and out flies a bunch of butterflies, and im sure we all know about butterfly symbolism now... then we see kate moss walk up to a mirror (mirror personality split symbolism).

Alexander was also famous for using twins in his catwalk shows... you could literally go on about mcqueen all night in regards to illuminati symbolism, hes used so much reptilian, occult and mind control references in his work its ridiculous... also the links with lady gaga to whom lots of people who work with her have died... more then just a coincidence.

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2010/02/rip-lee-alexander-mcqueen.html

Check out that blog anyways if you havn't already.

The link between mcqueen and isabella is staggering, both "commited suicide" and in my oppinion, both were mind control slaves and were used too channel the illuminati/occult presence in the world and too the masses without us being awake... thats what I think anyways and looking into both these characters will unlock clues for sure...

[cotarddelusion]

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/julia-volkova-2.jpg

A before and After picture of Julia Volkova from the (lesbian) band Tatu

Awful plastic surgery for sure... who is that on the right :rolleyes:

[cotarddelusion]

I would also like to comment on the appearance of Daryl Hannah... she looks really bad these days :(

Young:

http://mirror80.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Daryl-Hannah-as-Madison-in-Splash-200x200.jpg http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrvpzmrlKC1qbppbno3_500.jpg http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrvpzmrlKC1qbppbno2_250.jpg http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpikloZk6v1qij1zno1_500.jpg

[cotarddelusion]

Now :eek:

http://topnews.in/light/files/daryl-hannah1.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bQ0SqifjNcg/TL6EWc2vugI/AAAAAAAAeZ8/3ELK_zV8Dx0/s1600/daryl-hannah.jpg http://static.entertainmentwise.com/gallery/SURGERY09_DARYL.jpg http://www.celebrityplasticsurgery.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/daryl_hannah_arrested.jpg

:eek::eek:

[cotarddelusion]

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/toni-braxton-eyes-nose.jpg

Toni Braxton :eek:

[cotarddelusion]

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/pamela-anderson-lips11.jpg

Pamela Anderson says: Huzzah for mindcontrol!!... :rolleyes:

[cotarddelusion]

The Veiny Brigade!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_cpOFyw2Ozs/TgVffo3dUfI/AAAAAAAAAqw/h_nvWq9sjd0/s320/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-06-25%2Bat%2B12.08.26%2BAM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pQk35aGVv-U/TgVc9d7YW8I/AAAAAAAAAqI/_cFSgwYhBqs/s320/kristin-chenoweth-forehead-veins.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuZzvK4XLa8/TgVc88G_uuI/AAAAAAAAAqA/O-ghBls4uzc/s320/MadonnaVeinBIG_468x488.jpg

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/megan_today.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DdbWn9BVKiA/TgVcb1C3lCI/AAAAAAAAApo/jtwP-czO-ms/s320/fp_7242342_rij_teri_hatcher_25_32.jpg



Is this because they are;

a) clones
b) aliens
c) reptoids
d) underweight
e) full of testosterone
f) stressed too they're eyeballs
g) very badly wired robots???????



you tell me... :p

[the_mighty_tron]

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/naomi-campbells-eye-catching-fantasy-home.html

Woooow!! Did guys see Naomi Campbell's new house!? Geeez this is really extreme!!

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/re/gr2/egyptian-eye-cover_v2.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/re/gr2/egyptian_eye_angled_v2.jpg

[lyrag]

The Veiny Brigade!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_cpOFyw2Ozs/TgVffo3dUfI/AAAAAAAAAqw/h_nvWq9sjd0/s320/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-06-25%2Bat%2B12.08.26%2BAM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pQk35aGVv-U/TgVc9d7YW8I/AAAAAAAAAqI/_cFSgwYhBqs/s320/kristin-chenoweth-forehead-veins.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuZzvK4XLa8/TgVc88G_uuI/AAAAAAAAAqA/O-ghBls4uzc/s320/MadonnaVeinBIG_468x488.jpg

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/megan_today.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DdbWn9BVKiA/TgVcb1C3lCI/AAAAAAAAApo/jtwP-czO-ms/s320/fp_7242342_rij_teri_hatcher_25_32.jpg



Is this because they are;

a) clones
b) aliens
c) reptoids
d) underweight
e) full of testosterone
f) stressed too they're eyeballs
g) very badly wired robots???????



you tell me... :p

I think its due to h)photoshop

[lyrag]

My immediate thought about the paint on shiloh's face was that its a bruise... very very disturbing, and they all look traumatized.

This is the pic of suri in lipstick...

http://thecelebritystork.com/files/2011/09/Suri-Lipstick.jpg

The poor child looks quite miserable.


I really dont see the same as you do, on both of the photos at the most I see children not wanting to be photographed and confused as to why so much attention is on them and their families, its alot for kids to put up with.
You dont know what has just happened, the children could of been arguing and have been shouted at minutes before the photo was taken. Suri looks shy and like she doesnt want to be having her photo taken definatly but like alot of parents in all walks of lives and in varying degrees, her mum seems to enjoy parading her around whether she is enjoying it or not. For all we know she might actually tell her mum she enjoys it, but she is just shy, children can be like that, say one thing and then change their mind

[klenaus]

I think its due to h)photoshop

Nope. That isn't due to photoshop or to any of the above. How do I know? Because I am a regular person and I have the same veins on my forehead. I absolutely hate them.

[engelsblume]

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/naomi-campbells-eye-catching-fantasy-home.html

Woooow!! Did guys see Naomi Campbell's new house!? Geeez this is really extreme!!

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/re/gr2/egyptian-eye-cover_v2.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/re/gr2/egyptian_eye_angled_v2.jpg


hehe was waiting for someone to post about it. I avoid newspapers, but someone left this page open on their desk so yay for random mainstream rubbish. :p My first reaction was "you gotta be kidding me" :D

[astrochicken]

hehe was waiting for someone to post about it. I avoid newspapers, but someone left this page open on their desk so yay for random mainstream rubbish. :p My first reaction was "you gotta be kidding me" :D



LOL

They should rename it from cleopatra to "simpsons island"


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/_News/_SLIDESHOWS/Naomi%20Campbell%20Egyptian%20House/Naomi_Campbell_Egyptian_Eye_Island.jpg

[glacidtek]

The Veiny Brigade!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_cpOFyw2Ozs/TgVffo3dUfI/AAAAAAAAAqw/h_nvWq9sjd0/s320/Screen%2Bshot%2B2011-06-25%2Bat%2B12.08.26%2BAM.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pQk35aGVv-U/TgVc9d7YW8I/AAAAAAAAAqI/_cFSgwYhBqs/s320/kristin-chenoweth-forehead-veins.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WuZzvK4XLa8/TgVc88G_uuI/AAAAAAAAAqA/O-ghBls4uzc/s320/MadonnaVeinBIG_468x488.jpg

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/megan_today.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DdbWn9BVKiA/TgVcb1C3lCI/AAAAAAAAApo/jtwP-czO-ms/s320/fp_7242342_rij_teri_hatcher_25_32.jpg



Is this because they are;

a) clones
b) aliens
c) reptoids
d) underweight
e) full of testosterone
f) stressed too they're eyeballs
g) very badly wired robots???????



you tell me... :p


Its becasue they have body fat way below the average person..... like fitness models/ body builders, when body fat goes below a certaine point, perhaps 3or4% then the veignes protrude from the surface.

[whale]

who is this
http://whale.to/b/4o7ollvjveins.jpg

got that reptile look

[nekonymph]

I was just reading David Mcgowan's Programmed To kill and this section, i feel has relevance to what is being discussed here :

"Not only could Bundy’s personality change at a moment’s notice, but his physical appearance could as well. Bundy had a chameleon-like ability to alter his appearance, an ability that is clearly displayed in the numerous photos of him that grace the pages of the various books he has inspired.

A neighbor of his in Florida once offered this observation: “He always
looked different...I don’t know, sometimes he just didn’t even look like the same person at all.” Diana Smith, a therapist and Bundy family friend, wondered how Ted could “be so many different things to so many different people.”

An investi-gator on the Bundy case, Joe Aloi, claimed that he once observed Bundy react to a particularly stressful situation by spontaneously, and quite radically, altering his physical appearance; Ted’s body and muscle tone changed markedly, and he suddenly became sweaty and began emitting a noticeable odor.

The judge who presided over Ted’s Colorado trial referred to him as a “changeling,” noting the unsettling way in which his appearance could change dramatically with his mood. The judge drew a comparison to Vincent Bugliosi’s description of Charles Manson’s similar ability. Bugliosi was not the only one to make that observation about Manson; disciple Susan Atkins once said: “Charlie changes from second to second. He can be anybody he wants to be. He can put on any face he wants to put on at any given moment.”


This reminds me of something i read about reptilian shapshifting, that the smell of sulphur is present when it occurs. I also read about "walk-ins" during which a reptilian souls takes over the human one. I do realize that like many other so called serial killers. Bundy was probably mk but could it have opened him up to "soul scalping"? In a video of Aileen Wuornos, there was some evidence of shifting (slit eyes) during an interview.


video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2bVhzTK7XE)


video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWuVHWDZfU4)

[greydove]

I really dont see the same as you do, on both of the photos at the most I see children not wanting to be photographed and confused as to why so much attention is on them and their families, its alot for kids to put up with.
You dont know what has just happened, the children could of been arguing and have been shouted at minutes before the photo was taken. Suri looks shy and like she doesnt want to be having her photo taken definatly but like alot of parents in all walks of lives and in varying degrees, her mum seems to enjoy parading her around whether she is enjoying it or not. For all we know she might actually tell her mum she enjoys it, but she is just shy, children can be like that, say one thing and then change their mind

Well one things for sure, whether or not thay are being traumatized in a ritualistic, occult way, they are being raised in a way that would promote dissociation.

Staying up til all hours, high sugar diets, flying from time zone to time zone, having few peers or normal friendships...All of these things will cause developmental problems and have been identified by psychologists as damaging for a child's development.

That is a fact.

Now whether the parents are doing it on purpose to split their minds, is another question, but with all the other connotations (Jolie in the CFR, rumours of abusive tendecies in Scientology etc. etc. etc.) you have to admit deliberate structuring through abuse could be at play. These children are heavily and unnaturally burdened; it is visible in their demeanor. That cannot be denied.

[whale]

The judge who presided over Ted’s Colorado trial referred to him as a “changeling,” noting the unsettling way in which his appearance could change dramatically with his mood. The judge drew a comparison to Vincent Bugliosi’s description of Charles Manson’s similar ability. Bugliosi was not the only one to make that observation about Manson; disciple Susan Atkins once said: “Charlie changes from second to second. He can be anybody he wants to be. He can put on any face he wants to put on at any given moment.” [/I]

This reminds me of something i read about reptilian shapshifting, that the smell of sulphur is present when it occurs. I also read about "walk-ins" during which a reptilian souls takes over the human one. I do realize that like many other so called serial killers. Bundy was probably mk but could it have opened him up to "soul scalping"? In a video of Aileen Wuornos, there was some evidence of shifting (slit eyes) during an interview



http://whale.to/b/repwoman45r.jpg

this interview with Wuornos is interesting http://realshapeshifters.com/downloads/aileen1.flv suggesting she was MK like the rest, as the police seemed to let her get on with it.

'changeling' is a term I heard re some rock stars, eg McCartney

this the band by that name
http://www.dianaobscura.com/changelings/changemasks.jpg http://www.amasterpiece.com/Charnel/Confessions/changelings.gif

[jo_6]

Jim Morisson also sang
''I'm a Changeling
See me change..''
In the song The Changeling by the Doors, ..before he er... changed (went to Paris and died).

[pound]

http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/1068/911/566/changeling-poster-454x670.jpg

[jo_6]

The eye of horus house was given to Naomi Campbell by her billionnaire Russian boyfriend Vladislav Doronin.
Poor girl... the things you have to go through to get a nice house (not)
Latest VMag cover..

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/299006_249953238383164_100001054700281_790917_2310 50669_n.jpg

[lotusrose]

Has anyone seen the pictures of travolta and cage on ninemsn ( ebay listing)..I would put them up but dont know how.. freaky

[mrs_potatohead]

This reminds me of something i read about reptilian shapshifting, that the smell of sulphur is present when it occurs.

In this clip from 1939's Wizard of Oz, when the reptilian wicked witch leaves in a cloud of smoke, Glinda the good witch says: "Pooh, what a smell of sulpher!" start at about 1:50 minutes.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


Has anyone seen the pictures of travolta and cage on ninemsn ( ebay listing)..I would put them up but dont know how.. freaky
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/travolta-vampire.jpg

yes - Nicholas Cage is a vampire and John Travolta is a time traveler -

[whale]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/83_b_bartol_2_wick.JPG/220px-83_b_bartol_2_wick.JPG
The devil steals a baby and leaves a changeling behind, early 15th century, detail of "The legend of St. Stephen" by Martino di Bartolomeo

similar to Reptoids

[grandmasta]

You guys are deluded.


Don't you consider that the photo could be fake? We live in a Photoshop era.


Can't you see that celebrities draw attention and make things expensive therefore some con is trying to scam people on ebay?



Any serious collector / seller of rare antiques won't sell it on ebay, but on Christies!


GET A FUCKING CLUE!

[clint_giles]

In this clip from 1939's Wizard of Oz, when the reptilian wicked witch leaves in a cloud of smoke, Glinda the good witch says: "Pooh, what a smell of sulpher!" start at about 1:50 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlI33fu06IY



http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/travolta-vampire.jpg

yes - Nicholas Cage is a vampire and John Travolta is a time traveler -


coincidence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face/Off

[nekonymph]

Q -- By WHOM was the Dulce installation originally constructed?

A -- Nature started the caverns. The Draco [reptilian humanoids] used the caverns and tunnels for centuries. Later, through RAND Corporation plans, it was enlarged repeatedly. The original caverns included ice caves and sulfur springs that the 'aliens' found perfect for their needs. The Dulce caverns rival Carlsbad caverns in size. (Note: Carlsbad caverns and especially the adjacent Lecheguilla caves are 'officially' among the largest and deepest in the world, with several 'leads' that remain to be explored by professional speleonauts - Branton)

Read the rest here (http://www.subversiveelement.com/dulceofficerpart1.html)

[nineroot]

Ewan McGregor is somebody I have kept in my mind about possible clone since watching the island where he plays a clone throughout.

Last night I watched him on Jonathon Ross and thought he looked rather well considering is older than me . Jonathon Ross went on to mention how well he looks for 40.


Later in the Interview my other half said he is a bit odd isn't he, (she hates conspiracy theories and will not entertain any of the topics in this thread) , when I asked why she says it almost as though he can't remember the star wars films he done.

I hadn't spotted it as was hanging over badly , but when she mentioned it it was very obvious , he was so vague about it all that it could very easily be failing implanted memories.

Looks great , memory terrible but previously was a very intelligent young man , clone I reckon.

[nineroot]

I appreciate didn't offer much evidence there, but thought people here might like the tip off to watch the interview to decide for themselves if looks dodgy...am sure it will be on a web catch up type site for itv.

I am a believer in these theories for sure , I think in general enough weirdness has been pointed out and noticed personally to be swayed.

Question I find myself asking is why do they do it ?

Money ?...I don't think so ,they can print and steal money in easier ways
To control the victim ?...maybe in eminems case but not Ewan
For film special effects , can kill them multiple times and it will look real ?.....nah


I just don't get it ...why clone a film star like Ewan ?

[cotarddelusion]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/17/article-2038580-0DF2745200000578-60_306x543.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/17/article-0-0DEF4FE100000578-254_306x543.jpg

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/gty_nicolas_cage_vampire_nt_110919_wblog.jpg
(notice the eye of horus in the background?)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/29/article-2043257-0E25FFF100000578-190_306x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/29/article-0-0E24B6C400000578-326_306x423.jpg

http://www.movie-list.com/posters/big/zoom/faceoff.jpg

http://www.trailernew.info/wp-content/uploads/National_Treasure-4e62a19b9a5b1.jpg

http://www.big-pix.com/images/posters/d-gene.jpg

strange... very strange...

[mrs_potatohead]

I just don't get it ...why clone a film star

Because they can? To be like gods and have power?

strange... very strange...

That is strange. What if they have known each other for hundreds of years, like life-long rivals? Just kidding. Or am I? :eek:

[discerning mind]

Because they can? To be like gods and have power?



That is strange. What if they have known each other for hundreds of years, like life-long rivals? Just kidding. Or am I? :eek:

Except the "old time Nicholas Cage" has completely different ears, and a dimpled chin that Cage lacks.

And the "old time John Travolta" has a different chin, lacking the dimple that John has, and different cheeks and jaw. Even in Travolta's youth he had more chiseled, brawny features and a square jaw. Though the pic is certainly way closer in appearance to the real Travolta than the old time Nic Cage is to the real Nic.

[metacomet]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/29/article-0-0E24B6C400000578-326_306x423.jpg


Do we know who this person is?

[metacomet]

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2011/09/jolie-stefani/angelina-jolie-playdate-gwen-stefani-house-05.jpg

They put Wizard of Oz Ruby Slippers on the little one :( She's so cute and confused looking.

Hate it when kids are involved in this shit. Hate even thinking about it. It's one of the central facets though.

[pound]

In this clip from 1939's Wizard of Oz, when the reptilian wicked witch leaves in a cloud of smoke, Glinda the good witch says: "Pooh, what a smell of sulpher!" start at about 1:50 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlI33fu06IY



Good catch! The smell of 'sulphur' is almost always a consistent theme with those who have experienced demon possession and also with people who have went on record describing their experiences with Reptilian entities. This makes plenty of sense, as demons are often described in many ancient texts in very reptilian terms.

[cotarddelusion]

Except the "old time Nicholas Cage" has completely different ears, and a dimpled chin that Cage lacks.

And the "old time John Travolta" has a different chin, lacking the dimple that John has, and different cheeks and jaw. Even in Travolta's youth he had more chiseled, brawny features and a square jaw. Though the pic is certainly way closer in appearance to the real Travolta than the old time Nic Cage is to the real Nic.

I agree. I don't believe they are the exact same people, but I would certainly speculate that their is a connection, possibly genetic (dna manipulation) or reincarnation... either way the real time nicholas and john are high up the illuminati ladder for the fact that they might be clones, hence why they feature so heavily in illuminati films... and the face/off connection is staggering.