Icke says: "I don't care"

[alrick888]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/Story?id=6443988&page=1

In its health :rolleyes: section ABC does an article on the rise of "Internet Conspiracy Empires". While marching in an army of so-called mental health experts, the writer compares conspiracy theorists to people who believe in they are being persecuted (gangstalking).

In a pathetic attempt to turn the 'enemy method' against the 'enemy', the article asks: "What's Behind Internet Conspiracy Empires?".

Suggestive paragraph headliners are used such as "Does Conspiracy Always Equal Delusion?".

Then it is subtly being suggested Icke is being irresponsible:

According to MacDonald, most delusions begin with general, unexplained feelings of discontent that are caused by a problem with the brain. It's only when someone tries to search for an explanation for their feelings that a delusion forms.

"Then over time, the delusions become crystallized -- meaning they take on particular narratives, story lines and people's motives begin to be fleshed out," said MacDonald. "When one thing isn't explained, it's never abandoned. The plot just thickens ... and you credit your persecutor with a tremendous amount of power."

MacDonald said it can make it difficult to do talk therapy when delusional people feed their story from outside sources or find evidence with other conspiracy plots.

"You're sitting across from your therapist and they say, 'Well why would they do all of this?' And you've got the answers because you've studied online," he said.

Icke said that sort of danger is not his responsibility.

"You can't stop information because it might be misused by people," he said.

"What people think of my information is none of my business; it's their business," he added. "I'm not saying, 'This is how it is, you must believe it.' I'm saying, 'This is another way to look at the world. What do you think?'"

The article ends with a professor suggesting it all comes down to the "packaging" of conspiracy theories (mmmmm recognize that argument) but fortunately Icke gets the powerful last words:

After studying conspiracy theorists, Michael Barkun, professor of political science at Syracuse University and author of the book, "Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America," said he thought image and packaging is actually key to attracting followers.

"Even someone whose ideas are deviant can produce a Web site that looks sleek and professional," said Barkun. "Those who have conspiracy theories to peddle can do it very easily. And if they're reasonably sophisticated, [they] can do it in a way that gives those ideas the appearance of validity."

Whether those who make conspiracy theories for the masses are themselves mentally ill, Barkun said it depends on the conspiracy theorist.

"I don't think you can generalize," he said. "Certainly, in terms of conspiracy theorists, they're all quite different."

As for Icke, he has long heard people accusing him of being a mentally-disturbed conspiracy theorist.

"I went out on a limb," he said. "What's happened within a period of 20 years is that the world has come to me. ... As people have seen it coming to pass, the laughter has stopped.

"I take a different view," he added, "and if that's at odds with mainstream society to the point of being crazy, then I'm fine with that."

[meksar]

Why is it that most mental health experts are Khazars, they pump people full of chemical time bombs which will explode in the patients mind. Remember that the Zionists criminals control 95% of the aspects of your life, they can fill your heads with lies and bullshit and even call you a nutcase for telling the truth. People who dismiss the conspiracy/agenda without research are so full of it and they will only understand it when it directly affects them.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[dreamweaver]

Well, there have been mentally ill people in my family so I know there's a grain of truth in what they're saying.

This short article explains it quite well: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20050125-000003.html

But I can generally tell a mentally ill person a mile off and most of the people I've seen posting on the forum don't strike me as being like that at all.

I've encountered a few people who seem to me to be highly susceptible to Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but that's more because they think that because the Illuminati and their shills have lied about most things, they must be lying about everything. That's just a reflection of a particular mindset - basically being the "alternative" equivalent of the Daily Mail reader or Fox News viewer - rather than being proof of mental illness.

[kingmonkey]

There are some mentally ill people on this forum. It doesn't mean they're neccesserily wrong in their belief in conspiracies. But on the other hand there are people who are not mentally ill who aren't right in their beliefs either. This is just another "one size fits all" cure by incompetent, and quite possibly corrupt doctors. What do they care if people believe in conspiracies? What are they? Jesus' of mental health?

The mental health angle is just another way to stamp out free thought.

If people believe "wrongly" in conspiracy theories, it's because of mass corruption and lack of clarity in the governing bodies of our society. If psychologists want to analyze somebody, they should start with out leaders who are incapable of telling the truth and have a compulsion to control at all costs. This is what causes growing suspicion and paranoia in people; the cover ups, the double-speak, the lies, the inequality in control...

If we're ill, they made us ill!


"You can't stop information because it might be misused by people," he said.

Very true. There should be more information available. The more information you have, the more rational and rounded your decisions and actions will be. But that's what the powers that be don't want; a well informed rational public. Once that happens we'll all figure out what a bunch of greedy, corrupt, unnecessery bunch of fuckwits are running the show.

[omegasol]

Icke has one big problem. this forum, or better his "followers" (at least a part of them).

he delivers a lot of viable information on topics like NWO, the elites etc. no doubt about that. important information that everyone should know about.

but if you read what his followers write....the red cross was founded by a vampire clan (can´t find the thread right now), those ridiculous lenon honor crap-movies, cities on mars etc....if people read this crap they have no other choice but to think "lol, look at these unwordly, uneducated conspiracy-theory people! what´s wrong with them?! They don´t differentiate, they believe ALL conspiracy theories."

i came here to get infos on the NWO and stuff, but nowadays i only come here for a good laugh. if you want to help Mr. Icke get his message spread, do him a favour and stop posting you own little, pathetic theories.

Icke should close this forum, seriously.

[dreamweaver]

I wouldn't go so far as to say DI should close the forum down, omegasol. I've certainly encountered a few of the gullible types who you've mentioned (without naming particular threads ;) ) but you're going to get that on any forum.

[meksar]

They say the best response to reality is to go insane, i feel that we now understand what these medical/pharmicutical hidden hands have a major part to play in the unfolding order of orders.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gxC7imP8di8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y_dXObPKrWU&feature=related

[lottie]

The way i see it is...if it's all bollox (the whole conspiracy movement (whatever you wanna label it)) then people/govs wont mind it being discussed anymore than celebrity crap will they?

The only reason it's becoming 'a problem' is because they dont want people taking it too seriously and discovering there's truth to it!

Admittedly there's a lot of truth mixed in with dis-info and half-truths in all conspiracies....leading people off the path but you just gotta wade through and sort fact from fiction/ truth from lies etc etc....

[johngr]

The whole concept of "mental illness" is a bunch of shite. (and "health care" as well, btw but that's another story). Think about it. It's essentially pathologizing thought. The study of "illness" belongs in pathology textbooks. They should be able differentiate between a "schizophrenic" and "non-schizophrenic" objectively like they do with diabetics, otherwise, imo, it's a concept with no diagnostic utility, a matter of "I don't like/agree with the way he thinks" or *He acts in a way that's not conducive to the kind of society or culture I prefer"

If they come up with a brain or nerve test that definitively diagnoses neurochemical or neurological abnormality, then the thinking/behavior is merely a subjectively qualified symptom, not the bloody illness itself. It's a bogus and politicized "medical" concept and has been used to silence dissidents (Soviet Russia, Ezra Pound, etc.). Psychiatry is a pseudo religion and its "priests" are little different from witch doctors, imo.

[tracker]

Icke has one big problem. this forum, or better his "followers" (at least a part of them).

he delivers a lot of viable information on topics like NWO, the elites etc. no doubt about that. important information that everyone should know about.

but if you read what his followers write....the red cross was founded by a vampire clan (can´t find the thread right now), those ridiculous lenon honor crap-movies, cities on mars etc....if people read this crap they have no other choice but to think "lol, look at these unwordly, uneducated conspiracy-theory people! what´s wrong with them?! They don´t differentiate, they believe ALL conspiracy theories."

i came here to get infos on the NWO and stuff, but nowadays i only come here for a good laugh. if you want to help Mr. Icke get his message spread, do him a favour and stop posting you own little, pathetic theories.

Icke should close this forum, seriously.

followers ?
who follows who ?

i follow no man , bow to no man and kneel before no-god .

i tend to believe some of the evidence thatis given through my own experience much like many others here .

as for the vodeo , did you see how that bloke tried to trick viewers into thinking David was false ?

he kept mentioning the word "theory" instead of evidence .

believe it guys , these psychologists are on their way out because they seem absolutly desperate to support their delusion that every one who rules the world are good people .

thats delusional in its own right .

the guy concerned holds all the faculties of a delusional scizofrenic .

he refused to read evidence that could contradict his view , he insisted with out reading or researching any evidence that his view is true and also absolutly refuted to do so just in case it did contradict his belief .

these are traits of mentaly ill people .

lets face it , the man is delusional and David kicked his butt .:D

and just think , the bloke is in a profesional position .:eek:

god help those who go to him for help .:rolleyes:

[tracker]

[QUOTE=lottie;672335]The way i see it is...if it's all bollox (the whole conspiracy movement (whatever you wanna label it)) then people/govs wont mind it being discussed anymore than celebrity crap will they?

QUOTE]

here here you tell them .absolutly true !:cool:

[omegasol]

I wouldn't go so far as to say DI should close the forum down, omegasol. I've certainly encountered a few of the gullible types who you've mentioned (without naming particular threads ;) ) but you're going to get that on any forum.

aphex rocks ;) are you a watmm person?

[tracker]

The other guy also said that he had read wirting about Davids writing ????????????????????????????????


so how on earth can he base any conclusion on Davids works if he refuses to read Davids works himself ?????????????


the guy is a nutter !:cool:

[meksar]

This is the point i am trying to make, the people who oppose forms all the agenda being exposed will simply dub it a paranoid theory, all of these highly paid professional liars are the real nutcases.

[checkmate]

What exactly is "mentally ill"?

[dreamweaver]

aphex rocks ;) are you a watmm person?

No, but I do know of it. And yes, Mr James does indeed rock. :cool:

[danster82]

The media really are trying to crucify Icke.

Maybe we should one of their own lines against them "if you got nothing to fear then whats the problem"

[dreamweaver]

The media really are trying to crucify Icke.
You think? If anything, he seems to get a much more sympathetic hearing these days. Think of that C5 documentary, plus the Jon Ronson one, his 'comeback' on Wogan in 2006 and so on.

The simple fact is that a lot of the things he was predicting about the Orwellian state have come true and a lot of people (me included) are waking up to that.

[meksar]

Here's another Journalist who thinks we are all a bunch of crackpots, Zionists know a time is coming when they are going to be left for dead.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyGYkij-W4

[omegasol]

meksar, after reading many of your post i think you´re "crackpot". people laugh about icke and all "conspiracy-theorists" because of people like you.

[matmantra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29BX81aFak

I started laughing my ass off when he said there was no evidence to these "theories". Then I started laughing harder when this "expert" trying to talk to David Icke about his work hadn't even read his book. What a 'tard.

[seercirra]

Icke has one big problem. this forum, or better his "followers" (at least a part of them).

he delivers a lot of viable information on topics like NWO, the elites etc. no doubt about that. important information that everyone should know about.

but if you read what his followers write....the red cross was founded by a vampire clan (can´t find the thread right now), those ridiculous lenon honor crap-movies, cities on mars etc....if people read this crap they have no other choice but to think "lol, look at these unwordly, uneducated conspiracy-theory people! what´s wrong with them?! They don´t differentiate, they believe ALL conspiracy theories."

i came here to get infos on the NWO and stuff, but nowadays i only come here for a good laugh. if you want to help Mr. Icke get his message spread, do him a favour and stop posting you own little, pathetic theories.

Icke should close this forum, seriously.

i'd agree with that to an extent. just yesterday there was a headline which suggested aliens destroyed half a football stadium. its only when you read on does it mention IN A FILM.

this kind of attention grabbing, retarted headline really lowers this forum. and undoubtly makes visitors think we're all totally nuts.

[matmantra]

You think? If anything, he seems to get a much more sympathetic hearing these days. Think of that C5 documentary, plus the Jon Ronson one, his 'comeback' on Wogan in 2006 and so on.

The simple fact is that a lot of the things he was predicting about the Orwellian state have come true and a lot of people (me included) are waking up to that.

I agree. TPTB are trying really hard to make conspiracies sound mentally ill now, but even the people are having a hard time not believing there's at least SOME truth to them.

[meksar]

People laugh because they are cowards and are tiny people living in a world where they have no idea how they are being manipulated. You deal with the Zionists then "Capitalism" will disappear, i don't have to lower myself to call you names because its immature, but what i will say that your most likely a troll, there are many masonic trolls on here and im noticing an increase in Zionist trolls who hate the gentiles exposing their nastiness and outright evil.

[dreamweaver]

Here's another Journalist who thinks we are all a bunch of crackpots, Zionists know a time is coming when they are going to be left for dead.
I've just watched the whole clip and it seems to be six of one and half a dozen of the other to me.

Nick Cohen clearly believes in the official 9/11 story and he thinks that those who disbelieve it are like "Holocaust deniers".

He did dismiss the guy with the camera with the "lizard" comment, certainly, but hang on a minute. There are threads on this very forum where people strongly believe that 9/11 was an inside job, that reptilians rule the world and that the Holocaust was fabricated. So isn't it fair comment for him to link the three? Of course, not everyone on the forum believes all three but a fair number do, no?

Nick Cohen is entitled to believe the official story, a lot of people do including for example Noam Chomsky and George Monbiot. It doesn't make them bad people, they're just experiencing reality in a different way to you. Chomsky, for example, is no friend of the NWO - but neither does he see the world in either/or, black-and-white terms.

[steevo]

Icke has one big problem. this forum, or better his "followers" (at least a part of them).

he delivers a lot of viable information on topics like NWO, the elites etc. no doubt about that. important information that everyone should know about.

but if you read what his followers write....the red cross was founded by a vampire clan (can´t find the thread right now), those ridiculous lenon honor crap-movies, cities on mars etc....if people read this crap they have no other choice but to think "lol, look at these unwordly, uneducated conspiracy-theory people! what´s wrong with them?! They don´t differentiate, they believe ALL conspiracy theories."

i came here to get infos on the NWO and stuff, but nowadays i only come here for a good laugh. if you want to help Mr. Icke get his message spread, do him a favour and stop posting you own little, pathetic theories.

Icke should close this forum, seriously.

Are you a supporter of banning free speech ? And you even want this forum closed down. Omegasol, if you want free speech to be banned, then you wont mind being banned from posting on this forum.

[breezinreezin]

Nick Cohen, Jon Ronson and Chris French, do they have something in common?

[horus13]

Icke has one big problem. this forum, or better his "followers" (at least a part of them).

he delivers a lot of viable information on topics like NWO, the elites etc. no doubt about that. important information that everyone should know about.

but if you read what his followers write....the red cross was founded by a vampire clan (can´t find the thread right now), those ridiculous lenon honor crap-movies, cities on mars etc....if people read this crap they have no other choice but to think "lol, look at these unwordly, uneducated conspiracy-theory people! what´s wrong with them?! They don´t differentiate, they believe ALL conspiracy theories."

i came here to get infos on the NWO and stuff, but nowadays i only come here for a good laugh. if you want to help Mr. Icke get his message spread, do him a favour and stop posting you own little, pathetic theories.

Icke should close this forum, seriously.

indeed. this is why there are never any serious efforts to discredit icke and fellow researchers. the lunatic finge do enough damage on their own. those with paranoid mental problems love the conspiracy stuff obviously, but all it does is feed their condition. oh and yes i'm obviously a freemason because i disagree with some of the crazy theories that are posted on here.

[xxxx]

But I can generally tell a mentally ill person a mile off



can you now?

[alrick888]

That is the downside of a forum. You can't see them. When you actually meet people in person, you will find out soon enough if they are crazy or mentally unstable.

I haven't met Icke myself but from his presentations & interviews he strikes me as someone with sound mental health.

I think if people would meet some of the frequent posters here and actually feel their presence they would stop endorsing them or reading their posts. I have pointed fingers before so I will do it again: I am still waiting for tintin to post a photo of it-self. It is my speculation it won't because it is wearing some kind of law enforcement uniform :D

As to the forum, it seems there are a lot of people who have a quite comfortable life and then come here and post the wildest theories (and I do want to use the word theories in this case) for a laugh or because they haven't made supervisor.

They are misinformers and they should be treated as such. But it's difficult to make that determination.

[dreamweaver]

can you now?

Well, let's qualify that. I have experience of people who have been mentally ill (including members of my family) who have had certain behaviour patterns and when I've encountered others with these behaviour patterns, they have always turned out to have certain mental illnesses. I can't literally spot them a mile off, it was a rhetorical turn of phrase, but they're generally quite easy to spot in a short amount of time. It really isn't difficult if you've been around such people.

I can think of one person whose posts I've seen on here who I would think falls into that category (it wouldn't be fair to say who) but it would be impossible to say for sure without meeting them. I can say that person certainly does a very good impersonation of a delusional person though. ;)

[steevo]

Well, let's qualify that. I have experience of people who have been mentally ill (including members of my family) who have had certain behaviour patterns and when I've encountered others with these behaviour patterns, they have always turned out to have certain mental illnesses. I can't literally spot them a mile off, it was a rhetorical turn of phrase, but they're generally quite easy to spot in a short amount of time. It really isn't difficult if you've been around such people.

I can think of one person whose posts I've seen on here who I would think falls into that category (it wouldn't be fair to say who) but it would be impossible to say for sure without meeting them. I can say that person certainly does a very good impersonation of a delusional person though. ;)

Do you consider the person in question to be sub-human by any chance ? :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

There are some mentally ill people on this forum. It doesn't mean they're neccesserily wrong in their belief in conspiracies. But on the other hand there are people who are not mentally ill who aren't right in their beliefs either. This is just another "one size fits all" cure by incompetent, and quite possibly corrupt doctors. What do they care if people believe in conspiracies? What are they? Jesus' of mental health?

The mental health angle is just another way to stamp out free thought.

If people believe "wrongly" in conspiracy theories, it's because of mass corruption and lack of clarity in the governing bodies of our society. If psychologists want to analyze somebody, they should start with out leaders who are incapable of telling the truth and have a compulsion to control at all costs. This is what causes growing suspicion and paranoia in people; the cover ups, the double-speak, the lies, the inequality in control...

If we're ill, they made us ill!




Very true. There should be more information available. The more information you have, the more rational and rounded your decisions and actions will be. But that's what the powers that be don't want; a well informed rational public. Once that happens we'll all figure out what a bunch of greedy, corrupt, unnecessery bunch of fuckwits are running the show.

most of the world is mentally ill,just at different degrees;)

[dreamweaver]

Do you consider the person in question to be sub-human by any chance ? :rolleyes:

No, not at all, where have I said so? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Ian2day]

tptb or some such wanna be's are using CONspiracy as a vehicle to carry out sophisticated CONs. This is why they want to lable people who deviat from the norm as insane. As they are the insane ones looking to hide their intelectual property theft. They think that they are some high order doing natural justice. When in fact they are just crooks obfuscating the deception and theft with some misdirection and the implanting of false memories.

[dreamweaver]

the implanting of false memories.
OK, so how do you tell the true memories from the false ones?

[steevo]

tptb or some such wanna be's are using CONspiracy as a vehicle to carry out sophisticated CONs. This is why they want to lable people who deviat from the norm as insane. As they are the insane ones looking to hide their intelectual property theft. They think that they are some high order doing natural justice. When in fact they are just crooks obfuscating the deception and theft with some misdirection and the implanting of false memories.

The PTB give people labels so that in the future, they are easier to persecute. (muslims, gays, iraqis, christians, lesbians, jews, catholics, conspiracy researchers, obese, anorexic, diabetic, freedom fighter, terrorist, black, white, asian, free thinker, skeptic, athiest, thiest etc)

Dont accept labels, they are put there to be used against us.

[twistedconcept]

If you talk about the New World Order, which is backed up by evidence, you're generally ridiculed. God knows what people think when you mention reptilians.

Most people can't grasp the fact that 9/11 was clearly an inside job, so they'll struggle with anything deeper.

Icke and people on here can talk about what they want. I personally prefer to stick with what I can prove but I don't dismiss the possibility of some of these theories being true.

[Ian2day]

OK, so how do you tell the true memories from the false ones?


All memories are false as well as being true. However which ones are the fraudulant ones in the 3d five sense, sense. Anything which undermines your position and makes them have power over you is not worth focussing on.

[steevo]

If you talk about the New World Order, which is backed up by evidence, you're generally ridiculed. God knows what people think when you mention reptilians.

Most people can't grasp the fact that 9/11 was clearly an inside job, so they'll struggle with anything deeper.

Icke and people on here can talk about what they want. I personally prefer to stick with what I can prove but I don't dismiss the possibility of some of these theories being true.

I dont talk about reptilians, and I keep the New World Order to a minimum.
Dont let your eyes open wide either.

[abrilliantone]

Why is it that most mental health experts are Khazars, they pump people full of chemical time bombs which will explode in the patients mind. Remember that the Zionists criminals control 95% of the aspects of your life, they can fill your heads with lies and bullshit and even call you a nutcase for telling the truth. People who dismiss the conspiracy/agenda without research are so full of it and they will only understand it when it directly affects them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29BX81aFak


thanks for that video meksar


I love David Icke because he keeps it 'real' and tell you straight up, what's what.

It still amazes me "that people stay in there tiny little comfy 'belief' boxes".

And be scared shitless when the 'thought' of them having to 'step outside of that tiny little box occur'.





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[diamond dogs]

What exactly is "mentally ill"?

In most cases being fed lies from birth to the grave via media and corruption up to the highest levels of society promptly supported by the National Wealth Service (UK) and the pharmaceutical giants that supply and feed the addiction of the inmates but prison for them is in the mind but also disabling in it's consequencies.

I am not dispelling there are many other means by which illness can occur but they mostly all revolve around wrong doings. It is in man's nutural phenomenon to not accept the lies as from birth we have a built in mechanism of instinct and when the lies are fed to us we react accordingly.
If we were to experience an open and just society then the need for the reliance of drugs would be vastly reduced imo.

[ajaydean]

followers ?
who follows who ?

i follow no man , bow to no man and kneel before no-god .

i tend to believe some of the evidence thatis given through my own experience much like many others here .

as for the vodeo , did you see how that bloke tried to trick viewers into thinking David was false ?

he kept mentioning the word "theory" instead of evidence .

believe it guys , these psychologists are on their way out because they seem absolutly desperate to support their delusion that every one who rules the world are good people .

thats delusional in its own right .

the guy concerned holds all the faculties of a delusional scizofrenic .

he refused to read evidence that could contradict his view , he insisted with out reading or researching any evidence that his view is true and also absolutly refuted to do so just in case it did contradict his belief .

these are traits of mentaly ill people .

lets face it , the man is delusional and David kicked his butt .:D

and just think , the bloke is in a profesional position .:eek:

god help those who go to him for help .:rolleyes:hey great post, you could almost see the "blinkers on that guy!...many years ago,i would have agreed entirely with him, but as the old song goes....i look at life from both sides now.....and why?....because i examined the evidence. Back then i was swayed by the "norms" and regarded mr icke a crackpot! the difference in my mental health then and now is, i dont jump in and criticise as i did,because ive learned to research things properly, rather than except the mainstream, the mainstream is after all aptly named, a path of least resistance and effort, flowing from on high

[dreamweaver]

I love David Icke because he keeps it 'real' and tell you straight up, what's what.
What I like about David Icke even more is that he doesn't tell people what to think and doesn't throw a tantrum and accuse people of being part of the conspiracy if they don't agree with everything he says.

I wish more people could be like him, including some who claim to be his supporters.

[ajaydean]

What I like about David Icke even more is that he doesn't tell people what to think and doesn't throw a tantrum and accuse people of being part of the conspiracy if they don't agree with everything he says.

I wish more people could be like him, including some who claim to be his supporters.i agree that david has a great way about him, but one of the things about him is he appreciates diversity in people,because we are all experiencing this reality in our own way! thats why this site has such variety!...we are not his disciples..we all havw our own equally valid perceptions and individual charaters

[dlb2007]

well i think there is nothing wrong with theories, science is full of them but take them as theories not as absolute fact, consider them, mull them over, consider other theories, a man who believes in evoloution is not crazy, a man who believes in creationism isnt crazy but a man who can marry the two together is able to think for himself.

The simple reason that they say people who read, consider and even go so far as to think of their own conspiracy theories are insane is that they cause the person and other people to think about the agenda of the government, to research, to look into things more closely to get educated about politics and current affairs and that is dangerous.

The powers that be have spent a lot of time, energy and money on getting the general populance to believe politics, current affairs and government agendas, religion and a whole host of other topics as "boring" - what we are doing, what we are saying, is far from boring, its more than interesting, its exciting, its compelling, its feeding mankinds inborn hunger for truth and its these theories that are waking people up to the governments, to politics, to history to geography, to religion, to art, to the world outside of the televison, to the world outside of the box that they have put us in. and we are giving something to people that the governments have taken away or refused to give the people, we are teaching people, not propaganda,not national curriculum, not a set formula, you just regurgatate to pass a test so that you fit into a certain section of society, we are teaching them nothing except pure education, the ability to consider all sides and make an informed decision.

School's (state schools at least) have become nothing more than a mind control centre for the young, the education system is propaganda carried out to form the indivdual into believing that they must work hard to be the best they can be, in order to be better than other people with poorer jobs, incomes and level of so called "education" and that it should be celebrated by having better things than those lower down the spectrum

The truth is the education system is there simply to educate the young to become members of a society of worker ants ignorant of their over lords programme of perpetual slavery through a never ending cycle of consumerism and debt.

Why do people get so jelous of a man on welfare has a BMW calling him a thief and a scrounger and pay homage to the queen who has more state sponsored income than anyone i know and has palace's, cars, land everything.

They are using internet "abuses" to try to control the internet, not because they care about kids or anything like that but because they are scared of these theories, they are scared of people thinking for themselves. They are scared of like minded people coming together, they are scared of us.

There is a saying about the british people - "let sleeping dogs lie" well if someone threatens the postman he will wake the dog up when the post man walks in the gate, the post man is sure as hell going to call him crazy.

Yes there is a lot of what i consider bullshit on these forums and on you tube, but i still listen to what people have to say because even when the main topic is full of shit, there can be little golden nuggets of truth in there and once you find a couple of golden nuggets that get proven to be true, then you start to get an eye for them and you watch the ones you suspect, here we are sharing what we believe are golden nuggets and ecouraging each other to watch and research and we are learning all the time... and before you know we are all going to be onto a seam of gold.

oh how can man be so docile, so content in ignorance, so blissfully unaware... life is so empty when your not learning. If i learn the meaning of a new word it brings me such joy, how much more then when i start to learn what seems to me to be a new language like the language of economics or politics?


Rene Descarte's famously said "I think therefore I am"

If I dont think i do not exist, i am not my own person but the person i am told to be. If I think i do exist, i am my own person, not the person they are telling me to be.

And so in conclusion i would like to add my own musings to mr descarte's theory if you will permit me..

"I think, therefore I am... Dangerous"

[rhydra]

There are some things that most of us believe that is true, there are some things that we don't, I think everyone has their own idea of what they believe and don't Is there anything delusional about not believing what the government tells us, with their reputation for telling the truth? The medical establishment never lie do they. :rolleyes:
The psychology professor, what does he know anyway? Psychology, it is not an exact science, it is, as some say, not even a science at all.

Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A common criticism of psychology concerns its fuzziness as a science. Philosopher Thomas Kuhn's 1962 critique implied psychology overall was in a pre-paradigm state, lacking the agreement on overarching theory found in mature sciences such as chemistry and physics. Because some areas of psychology rely on research methods such as surveys and questionnaires, critics have claimed that psychology is not as scientific as many assume. Other phenomena that psychologists are interested in such as personality, thinking and emotion cannot be directly measured and are often inferred from subjective self-reports, which may be of limited use to an objectifying science. In other words the professor of psychology is talking out of his arse.;)

[steevo]

What I like about David Icke even more is that he doesn't tell people what to think and doesn't throw a tantrum and accuse people of being part of the conspiracy if they don't agree with everything he says.

I wish more people could be like him, including some who claim to be his supporters.

You like that Icke doesnt get digs in to other researchers, but yet you get a dig into fellow forum members. That's slightly hypocritical isnt it :p

[dreamweaver]

You like that Icke doesnt get digs in to other researchers, but yet you get a dig into fellow forum members. That's slightly hypocritical isnt it :p

Cool, my very own stalker! :cool:

[steevo]

Cool, my very own stalker! :cool:

lol you wish :p:cool:

[dreamweaver]

lol you wish :p:cool:
No, I don't wish and stalking is not at all cool.

[dreamweaver]

i agree that david has a great way about him, but one of the things about him is he appreciates diversity in people,because we are all experiencing this reality in our own way! thats why this site has such variety!...we are not his disciples..we all havw our own equally valid perceptions and individual charaters

Yeah, but David really doesn't care what people think and doesn't try to enforce his view on anyone else. He doesn't try to make people conform to his beliefs, which is what sets him apart from all the other gurus and would-be leaders out there.

[abrilliantone]

What I like about David Icke even more is that he doesn't tell people what to think and doesn't throw a tantrum and accuse people of being part of the conspiracy if they don't agree with everything he says.

I wish more people could be like him, including some who claim to be his supporters.


Right On dreamweaver http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/happy096.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)


And that right there was the thing that made me actually take notice to what he was saying.

If he was on some bullshit, then surely he'd be trying to get you to 'hang-on to his every word' and he'd gave you a 'everything I say is law' speech. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/talk014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

But no it's not like that, not at all. He says: "here is some information, take from it what you agree with and leave the rest to be." If the people can't understand that, then maybe, just maybe something "mentally" might be wrong with them.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/whacky099.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I Am my own person, meaning I am capable of making my own decisions and coming to my own conclusions. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I know when i'm hearing the truth and when i'm hearing some bullshit. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked035.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I would think it couldn't be any simpler then that, for all of us. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[almarenee2]

Hello all - after years of research, I was lead to David Icke's books. Im reading the Biggest Secret now. Pretty interesting and in line with alot of things I have learned over the years through many religions.

As with everyone you learn from, it is important to research BOTH sides of the story, right?

I have an open mind, and would like to present this article written by someone who knows Icke, who has an opinion that is on the other side of the spectrum.

Enjoy!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3958863/Why-David-Icke-Is-Now-Disinformation-Is-Being-Used-By-The-Elite

[ipopacific]

lotte you bring up a great point 5 years ago if i heard ickes claims i would have thought him crazy too but now the evidence is overwhelming and even the government new they botched the 9/11 scandel. They thought they were invincible now they are realising there empire is rapidly eroding right in front of there eyes. an important factor however to beat these puppets is to know how they manipulate us. I went into great detail in studdying how these satinists operate they are clever but there tricks are old .I strongly recomend everyone to do there homework on huna , embedded commands, neuro linguistic programming ,conversational hypnosis ,cause and effect, ancorring the list goes on but if u understand how to do huna convincing people is easy because your not engaging them with the typical 5 senses.....
there equasion is simple

ILLuminati program or hypnotise our sub concious which creates a wave thought pattern(check out quantum physics) our concious mind then observes these wave formations into holographic existance which is what we are experiencing in 5 sence reality . Here is the key if we try to beat these guys on a 5 sence level nothing will change ...if we howerver conciously program our sub concious to our own reality then Illuminati loses all its power over us individually at first and then envitably consensus reality... we are all gods thats the key we just need to rediscover this fact and learn there is no reality only perception. (Sorry about the spelling )

[fnulnu]

Hello all - after years of research, I was lead to David Icke's books. Im reading the Biggest Secret now. Pretty interesting and in line with alot of things I have learned over the years through many religions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3958863/Why-David-Icke-Is-Now-Disinformation-Is-Being-Used-By-The-Elite

I share their reservations regarding Arizona Wilder,though,in fairness,I have to add I watched but a few minutes of one of her testimonies.The "vibes" were all wrong to me,so,I moved on.

[abrilliantone]

Hello all - after years of research, I was lead to David Icke's books. Im reading the Biggest Secret now. Pretty interesting and in line with alot of things I have learned over the years through many religions.

As with everyone you learn from, it is important to research BOTH sides of the story, right?

I have an open mind, and would like to present this article written by someone who knows Icke, who has an opinion that is on the other side of the spectrum.

Enjoy!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3958863/Why-David-Icke-Is-Now-Disinformation-Is-Being-Used-By-The-Elite


I belive that info was posted somewhere already on here. No matter, thanks almarenee2.

It still all comes down to:



I Am my own person, meaning I am capable of making my own decisions and coming to my own conclusions. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)

I know when i'm hearing the truth and when i'm hearing some bullshit. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked035.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)

I would think it couldn't be any simpler then that, for all of us. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)

[almarenee2]

I share their reservations regarding Arizona Wilder,though,in fairness,I have to add I watched but a few minutes of one of her testimonies.The "vibes" were all wrong to me,so,I moved on.


Ya, but I thought it was because of the fact she was mind controlled for so long and didnt know how to act "normal" as many ex-mind control victims say.

She says alot of CRAZY things, I suggest you go back, just so, if it IS dis-information, hopefully by watching it you can discern what it is. I haven't yet. I'm doing tons of research the last few days though, something is sure to clarify it.

I'm more skeptical about Icke. If he truly believes the reptiles worship Lucifer, and so does Arizona Wilder, then why don't either of them talk about who the OPPOSITE of Lucifer is? He doesn't EVER discuss that topic, as far as saying "I dont buy it"

Ralph Ellis (http://freespace.virgin.net/kena.edfu/) is a VERY interesting person who is along the same line as David and David quotes him ALOT, but Ralph actually talks about the fact that there WAS a Jesus (Whether Jesus is an alien being sent here to help us or not), who was the opposite of Lucifer.

Still alot of research to go....

[almarenee2]

I belive that info was posted somewhere already on here. No matter, thanks almarenee2.

It still all comes down to:


Sorry about that! Didnt read the whole thread I guess :D

I feel the same way you do about knowing bull when I hear it. But over the years, I rejected alot of information based on that presumption, ESPECIALLY the likes of David Icke, but then, after I did the research, here I am, reading his books because I was PIGEONHOLED in to it, all my research has led me along this line, and honestly, I kinda preferred the ignorance I had before I started testing my own beliefs..

All Im saying is, I prefer to do the research now BEFORE accepting or rejecting, even if I think the I AM in me could be right. I rejected many things years ago because I wasnt at the right level to absorb it. I'm sure things I reject now, I could possibly accept tomorrow if the research leads me there, you know?

[cacadores]

I found this:

Are you a supporter of banning free speech ? And you even want this forum closed down. Omegasol, if you want free speech to be banned, then you wont mind being banned from posting on this forum.
verses this:
Dont accept labels, they are put there to be used against us.

I don't know if you have to be educated to spot irony. But it always amazes me when someone will not recognise in himself, the very vice of which he's complaining. I don't know what causes the phenomina, but I've seen enough people displaying this apparent hypocracy or, at least, tautology, to wonder if it's not part of the human condition.

So for university lecturers, it is unfortunately the case, that for any given phenomina, they seem to get more milage out of trying to find out why something happens, rather than first proving if it happens or not. Thus, speculation is made as to why people believe in 'conspiracy' theories, without any interest being shown if the conspiracy is true or not. Yet you might think that the truth of the conspiracy and evidence for it would be a deteminer of the mental health of its believers.

After all, Para-psychology departments in universities, have spent time trying to find out how people like Uri Geller bend spoons with their minds. The issue of whether he bends them with his mind at all, seems of little interest to them!

So the irony is more acute, when psychologists look at the mentality behind 'conspiracy theorists'. The intellectual vacuousness of their own field, psychology, has been shown up by the neuro-linguistic programming movement. The effectiveness of psychologists as therapists, for example, was shown to have very little to do with what school they followed, what they say or what they intellectually understood..and everything to do with their instinctive gestures and movements: something a lay person can develop just as well. Just as with psychologists, conspiracy theorists are conspiracy theorists because of what they do: they show an interest in an alleged conspiracy or, in the case of psychologists: in psychology.

It has very little to do with the capasity of their mind.

[abrilliantone]

Sorry about that! Didnt read the whole thread I guess :D




oh no, I meant it was posted somewhere on this forum before. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/happy059.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[steevo]

I found this:


verses this:


I don't know if you have to be educated to spot irony. But it always amazes me when someone will not recognise in himself, the very vice of which he's complaining. I don't know what causes the phenomina, but I've seen enough people displaying this apparent hypocracy or, at least, tautology, to wonder if it's not part of the human condition.

So for university lecturers, it is unfortunately the case, that for any given phenomina, they seem to get more milage out of trying to find out why something happens, rather than first proving if it happens or not. Thus, speculation is made as to why people believe in 'conspiracy' theories, without any interest being shown if the conspiracy is true or not. Yet you might think that the truth of the conspiracy and evidence for it would be a deteminer of the mental health of its believers.

After all, Para-psychology departments in universities, have spent time trying to find out how people like Uri Geller bend spoons with their minds. The issue of whether he bends them with his mind at all, seems of little interest to them!

So the irony is more acute, when psychologists look at the mentality behind 'conspiracy theorists'. The intellectual vacuousness of their own field, psychology, has been shown up by the neuro-linguistic programming movement. The effectiveness of psychologists as therapists, for example, was shown to have very little to do with what school they followed, what they say or what they intellectually understood..and everything to do with their instinctive gestures and movements: something a lay person can develop just as well. Just as with psychologists, conspiracy theorists are conspiracy theorists because of what they do: they show an interest in an alleged conspiracy or, in the case of psychologists: in psychology.

It has very little to do with the capasity of their mind.

lol keep up the good work ;) (a sarcastic wink)

[dlb2007]

I'm more skeptical about Icke. If he truly believes the reptiles worship Lucifer, and so does Arizona Wilder, then why don't either of them talk about who the OPPOSITE of Lucifer is? He doesn't EVER discuss that topic, as far as saying "I dont buy it"

angles and demons

neither do I, i dont believe in giant physical lizards that disguise themselves as human beings. However i do believe in spiritual possesion and I do believe these people are "cold blooded monsters" could the whole reptilian thing be euphemisms for spiritual possesion of demons or the lack of love, compasion i.e "cold hearted" or "cold blooded monsters"?

[brainfreeze]

I don't know if you have to be educated to spot irony. But it always amazes me when someone will not recognise in himself, the very vice of which he's complaining. I don't know what causes the phenomina, but I've seen enough people displaying this apparent hypocracy or, at least, tautology, to wonder if it's not part of the human condition.


It is, but I can't remember the term for it.

It's like when you get into an arguement with someone and they throw silly insults at you. Their words in arguement will reflect their own personal issues and insecurities.

Sorry to go off topic.

Was going to say, if they're alluding to David Icke and his conspiracy thearies as a mental illness (did I read that wrong?) he must be ratteling some cages. If they would like us to believe DI is insane (as are we for believing (some of) what he says)they should have sectioned him when the whole nation laughed at him on Terry Wogan. Then the nation was convinced, but times have changed since.

[cacadores]

It is, but I can't remember the term for it.

It's like when you get into an arguement with someone and they throw silly insults at you. Their words in arguement will reflect their own personal issues and insecurities.

Sorry to go off topic.

Was going to say, if they're alluding to David Icke and his conspiracy thearies as a mental illness (did I read that wrong?) he must be ratteling some cages. If they would like us to believe DI is insane (as are we for believing (some of) what he says)they should have sectioned him when the whole nation laughed at him on Terry Wogan. Then the nation was convinced, but times have changed since.I'm not convinced all the nation did laugh at him, though it might have seemed so to Icke himself. It was the tabloid press that kept up the insults and probably gave legitimacy to louts in the street that they wouldn't otherwise have had.

I think there was a poll at the time, which showed that the number of people who thought him mad were a minority and that the number of people willing to view him with an open mind (but without committing) was substantial.

[brainfreeze]

I'm not convinced all the nation did laugh at him, though it might have seemed so to Icke himself. It was the tabloid press that kept up the insults and probably gave legitimacy to louts in the street that they wouldn't otherwise have had.

I think there was a poll at the time, which showed that the number of people who thought him mad were a minority and that the number of people willing to view him with an open mind (but without committing) was substantial.

That's nice to hear. I wasn't in the country at the time, but the first time, and for a long time after I ever heard David's name mentioned it was with hysterics.

[cacadores]

That's nice to hear. I wasn't in the country at the time, but the first time, and for a long time after I ever heard David's name mentioned it was with hysterics.I remember now, it was a large TV audience during Icke's sky blue phase. The moderator attempted to turn Icke's religious ideas into a joke. At the end of the spot, there was a show of hands and most people were willing to give Icke the benefit of the doubt.

[beldazar]

I just thought I would bump this thread after a family gathering on Sunday. I think that their latest plan is to accuse us as mentaly unstable, not that its a new occurence....:rolleyes:

My dental-assistant sister who works in a building with left-brain prisoners decided to tell me that I am being brainwashed by the computer and that I have some form of psychosis brought about by excess cannabis smoking in my past. she didnt come up with this information herself, somebody in her work-place must have placed it in her brain, meaning they are discussing me because I just happened to mention flouride to my dentist and presented him with my findings.
This on its own hasnt upset me but what has is that my Mum who was very interested in what I have to say, now visibly winces whenever I bring up the subject! That really isnt nice, I dont want my elderly mum thinking I have lost the plot!

So this is even more reason to spread the information far and wide, at least then us 'lunatics' will be the majority and would be considered 'the norm' in this oh, so sick society


Nobody said this would be easy...................:(

[binkbonk]

I just thought I would bump this thread after a family gathering on Sunday. I think that their latest plan is to accuse us as mentaly unstable, not that its a new occurence....:rolleyes:

My dental-assistant sister who works in a building with left-brain prisoners decided to tell me that I am being brainwashed by the computer and that I have some form of psychosis brought about by excess cannabis smoking in my past. she didnt come up with this information herself, somebody in her work-place must have placed it in her brain, meaning they are discussing me because I just happened to mention flouride to my dentist and presented him with my findings.
This on its own hasnt upset me but what has is that my Mum who was very interested in what I have to say, now visibly winces whenever I bring up the subject! That really isnt nice, I dont want my elderly mum thinking I have lost the plot!

So this is even more reason to spread the information far and wide, at least then us 'lunatics' will be the majority and would be considered 'the norm' in this oh, so sick society


Nobody said this would be easy...................:(
"just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you"! ;)

[largejack]

So anyone listening to Kennedy's speech here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY

Then watching this on official news:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mPh7sUvhZ3E


So anyone deeply suspicious by this would be considered 'mentally ill' I'd guess. Well I'm happy to admit it then... I'm mentally ill :rolleyes:

[beldazar]

"just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you"! ;)


Hey! Thats MY line! I always use that one, youre not allowed!

My other fav is 'Paranoia is just heightened perception' love that one :cool:


Largejack, that vid is so very appropriate but Im finding it so very hard talking to people about all this, they arent interested with being presented by anything that has brought me to my conclusions, they just dive straight in to attack mode....

Im more than used to being thought of as a bit strange, thats not new.....

Oh I know! I will burn that JFK vid for my mum, many thanks!!! :D

[largejack]

Hey! Thats MY line! I always use that one, youre not allowed!

My other fav is 'Paranoia is just heightened perception' love that one :cool:


Largejack, that vid is so very appropriate but Im finding it so very hard talking to people about all this, they arent interested with being presented by anything that has brought me to my conclusions, they just dive straight in to attack mode....

Im more than used to being thought of as a bit strange, thats not new.....

Oh I know! I will burn that JFK vid for my mum, many thanks!!! :D

Thanks, by the way how easy it to get burned DVDs to work on standalone DVD players. I want to send my mam some stuff as well but she doesn't have a computer?

[onourwayto2012]

If the Reptillian story got pushed as much as the one about the guy who rose from the dead we would all believe it....doesn't make either one more or less true. I personally think there conspiracies in just about every damn thing.... doesn't mean I believe every "theory". These whatever the f*ck they are have been at this for a LONG time and are pretty darn good at it.

[hordeari]

JFk was partially ILL ...George W is def. a healthy person :)

am pretty sick too :eek:

[januspolanski]

I think the word Conspiracy is the problem. Due to the mass media anytime you start talking to friends/family etc about the issues raised on this forum they instantly think your crazy/mislead a fruitloop. Like they ve been programmed to associate the word "Conspiracy" with mentalist, just like how you think of Grass as Green.

[hordeari]

Like they ve been programmed to associate the word "Conspiracy" with mentalist, just like how you think of Grass as Green.

hey but they've been programmed, 24/7 tv, but also newspaper, mainstream radio stations, most popular web pages portals and other, it is brainwashing with the official bs version so after lots of repeating if you *beep* smth else than movie reality you are a wacko!! for most of the ppl

i don't know who's sick here but it seems that hypnotised sheeps are more ill than we are..

[beldazar]

Yes absolutely!

I was talking to someone about aspartame the other day and told her to google it.
The first entrance was wikipedia and mentioned the 'rumours' of the dangers of aspartame were, in effect, a conspiracy theory'. I clocked it straight away as I know as soon as the person sees that word they will be put off :(

[endlessvista]

I started laughing my ass off when he said there was no evidence to these "theories". Then I started laughing harder when this "expert" trying to talk to David Icke about his work hadn't even read his book. What a 'tard.

Priceless. Here is an ignorant, uneducated, boring little cretin from a field which has decreed 1/5 of humanity is mentally ill and needs to be lobotamised, drugged and eletro-shocked and which has the highest rates of malpractice, pedophiles, criminals and sex offeners of any branch of "medcine" and all based on German racial eugenics and crackpot research. They have millions of children world wide on drugs to cure "mental illnesses" which have no method of reliable diagnosis other then a 15 min session with these kooks before handing them the pills.

Just look at the huge numbers of people and what they think of psychiatric "professionals" like this clown:


Links & Resources

www.FightForKids.org

The purpose of this website is to educate parents worldwide on the facts about todays widespread practice of labeling children mentally ill and drugging them with heavy, mind-altering, psychiatric drugs. Armed in this way, loving parents will be able to prevail in the face of the enormous drug children now pressures so entrenched in society today. Protected in this way, our children will be spared the totally unnecessary misery of a drug-hazed youth, succeeded by the risk of a drug-consumed adulthood.

www.PsychCrime.org

De-registered, even criminally charged and jailed psychiatric professionals can skip states, even countries, and continue practicing. Some of the most infamous mental health criminals continue to care for the most vulnerable in society by simply changing cities or countries.

PsychCrime.org contains a database of convicted mental health practitioners reported to CCHR International as a public interest service to law enforcement agencies, health care fraud investigators, immigration offices, international police agencies, medical and psychological licensing boards and the general public.

www.PsychConflicts.org

A study in the May issue of the journal Pediatrics, now garnering international attention, found that American children take antipsychotics at about six times the rate of UK children, while a January New York Times (NYT) investigation revealed that “the more psychiatrists have earned from drug makers, the more they have prescribed a new class of powerful medicines known as atypical antipsychotics to children.”…

[konnster]

well, there will always be delusional people... I simply go with the facts and go with what feels right to me and I dont buy everything I read and hear just because it smells like a conspiracy because often...it is not.

also.. there is little truth in what doctors and psychologist are saying about people being delusional and how it works and I would say it is all caused by fear...the very energy we have to bring into balance.

For me there are four types of the origin of delusion.

1. Temporary paranoia
2. Mind control
3. Schizophrenia
4. Paranoia

I´v spent alot of time investigating this phenomenon.. I mean just take a look at America and the whole Obama worship, that is deep deep mind control and I would say most of the people in USA are being delusional about it and it does not mean they are all crazy thinking Obama will bring a positive change just as much as not all people with open minds and are into conspiracies are crazy...a small % are but the vast majority is not.

By gaining more understanding of this whole thing is the key to be able to filter the crap from the real.

We know we have deeply deeply corrupt governments and people in charge in the world and just by studying the history behind them we can clearly see what is going on...if 'Conspiracy' is the word to describe it then so be it.

people who are labeling conspiracy people as nutbars have clearly not ever spent one hour into investigating this stuff from a point of 'What is and what is not' observation they just quote there schoolbook and say 'THATS HOW IT IS'

Im saying that people here on the forum and people who are aware of the situation on the planet have just as most equality of people who are in fear of the situation and people who are not and I would say that the people in fear are much likely to become paranoid then the ones who are not.

[ex sheep]

So Fluoride, Aspartame, and 9/11 are a load of tosh,
so I've went mad going round in circles for the last 6 months, for nothing.

I'm gonna switch my TV on right now and catch the real news before they bring the straight jacket.




















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[realfake]

This should only serve to show how desperate the parasites are. They're constantly having to tighten the screws, just to retain the levels of control that they've quietly enjoyed for millenia.

[jadeaube]

I just read the first reply to this thread and you talked about psychs... and thats all I needed... hopefuly you people will like my opening argument.. and I didn't get it from a conspiracy theorist... I got it from my mother...

"Psychiatrists are the only type of doctor in the world that do not diagnose the organ that they are working on" I just said a mouthful..... in comparisson.... you have a broken leg... you go to the doctor.. and you say,.. I think that my leg is broken... and instead of taking an x-ray or anything he just says... nope... I don't think that your leg is broken... and sends you home... that is more or les how most of these psychs do it nowadays.... They just fucking guess..... oh... well.. I think you have this.... take these pills and see how it works out... ... annd.... what am I paying you for???? and... your a doctor???

but on the flip side... the diagnosis and analyzation of the brain is sllloowwwllllyyy starting to catch up to all others.. I can say this from experience because I've had brainscans etc.../analyses from one of the leading doctors in brain science in our world ...... but yah... I can say this..... and probably.... 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000001% of the world can say this......... the rest is all just guess work(and they say we're the ones doing the guesswork LOL!!!)..... so yah... fuck the doctors... like I said... above quote is from my mom... and she knows... and has told me.. from years of experience.... that most doctors don't know shit(she didn't say that word.. shes my mother...! come on now!) and that you have to do the research yourself.... and shes completely right.. and thats what all of us are doing.... lots of research... these people talk asif we all take David's word as holy scripture.... when..in fact...in my case... and I'm sure.. most of yours.... Davids work(which is brilliant) is only a fraction of our understanding/knowledge.. I subscribe to many many many great minds! "conspiracy theorists" and not!

... honestly.... the only conclusion I can offer to this is that... these people are dumb.. and are afraid of people who are smarter than them... and... LoL!!! I dare them to try to communicate with David on his own level... christ... what David does.... uncovering the truth.... and explaining it to people who are completely skeptical and narrow minded... is soooOOoOo HARD!! do you know how much energy it takes? to explain... bit by bit... second by second... until people finally have no other option in their heart of hearts than to actualy look at a different point of view....Its horrible!!! Its very vERY VERY! Hard work breaking a tiny hole in the years, and years, and years, of bullshit and propaganda that these poor people have been fed.... But David is so good at it! better than I am(I'm assuming).... I salute him to the end of the earth for this extremely hard work... its insane! so... yes .. David Icke I salute you and you're a great person for having the strength, courage, and stamina to do what you do... and it is because of people like you that I am confident in saying that I probably know more about these peoples professions than they do.... and if I don't... I could learn it in a couple of hours... theyre all pathetic!.... peeaaaCccccEEEE p.s.! those state of the art brain scans I had done showed that my brain was lit up like the 4th of july(and Im canadian) .. overall... my brain is 6 times more active than its supposed to be, which more or less pointed towards me having sleep problems(not ADD*like I thought and had been brainwashed to beleive*) so all I needed was some sleep pills.... and I don't even take those anymore.. I've found that the depressant we refer to as alcohol provides me with the same effect... and no hang over!!!!... sooOoO ...I think I got the sweet end of the deal, don't you? (smiley face here)

[konnster]

So Fluoride, Aspartame, and 9/11 are a load of tosh,
so I've went mad going round in circles for the last 6 months, for nothing.

I'm gonna switch my TV on right now and catch the real news before they bring the straight jacket.





LOL :D hurry up!!!!














http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/dimebar_probably/Smileys/th_wallbash.gif

LOL :D hurry up!!!!

[jadeaube]

I just read the first reply to this thread and you talked about psychs... and thats all I needed... hopefuly you people will like my opening argument.. and I didn't get it from a conspiracy theorist... I got it from my mother...

"Psychiatrists are the only type of doctor in the world that do not diagnose the organ that they are working on" I just said a mouthful..... in comparisson.... you have a broken leg... you go to the doctor.. and you say,.. I think that my leg is broken... and instead of taking an x-ray or anything he just says... nope... I don't think that your leg is broken... and sends you home... that is more or les how most of these psychs do it nowadays.... They just fucking guess..... oh... well.. I think you have this.... take these pills and see how it works out... ... annd.... what am I paying you for???? and... your a doctor???

but on the flip side... the diagnosis and analyzation of the brain is sllloowwwllllyyy starting to catch up to all others.. I can say this from experience because I've had brainscans etc.../analyses from one of the leading doctors in brain science in our world ...... but yah... I can say this..... and probably.... 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000001% of the world can say this......... the rest is all just guess work(and they say we're the ones doing the guesswork LOL!!!)..... so yah... fuck the doctors... like I said... above quote is from my mom... and she knows... and has told me.. from years of experience.... that most doctors don't know shit(she didn't say that word.. shes my mother...! come on now!) and that you have to do the research yourself.... and shes completely right.. and thats what all of us are doing.... lots of research... these people talk asif we all take David's word as holy scripture.... when..in fact...in my case... and I'm sure.. most of yours.... Davids work(which is brilliant) is only a fraction of our understanding/knowledge.. I subscribe to many many many great minds! "conspiracy theorists" and not!

... honestly.... the only conclusion I can offer to this is that... these people are dumb.. and are afraid of people who are smarter than them... and... LoL!!! I dare them to try to communicate with David on his own level... christ... what David does.... uncovering the truth.... and explaining it to people who are completely skeptical and narrow minded... is soooOOoOo HARD!! do you know how much energy it takes? to explain... bit by bit... second by second... until people finally have no other option in their heart of hearts than to actualy look at a different point of view....Its horrible!!! Its very vERY VERY! Hard work breaking a tiny hole in the years, and years, and years, of bullshit and propaganda that these poor people have been fed.... But David is so good at it! better than I am(I'm assuming).... I salute him to the end of the earth for this extremely hard work... its insane! so... yes .. David Icke I salute you and you're a great person for having the strength, courage, and stamina to do what you do... and it is because of people like you that I am confident in saying that I probably know more about these peoples professions than they do.... and if I don't... I could learn it in a couple of hours... theyre all pathetic!.... peeaaaCccccEEEE p.s.! those state of the art brain scans I had done showed that my brain was lit up like the 4th of july(and Im canadian) .. overall... my brain is 6 times more active than its supposed to be, which more or less pointed towards me having sleep problems(not ADD*like I thought and had been brainwashed to beleive*) so all I needed was some sleep pills.... and I don't even take those anymore.. I've found that the depressant we refer to as alcohol provides me with the same effect... and no hang over!!!!... sooOoO ...I think I got the sweet end of the deal, don't you? (smiley face here)!!

[steevo]

So anyone listening to Kennedy's speech here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY

Then watching this on official news:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mPh7sUvhZ3E


So anyone deeply suspicious by this would be considered 'mentally ill' I'd guess. Well I'm happy to admit it then... I'm mentally ill :rolleyes:

Those videos say ALOT!

[michael christopher]

... honestly.... the only conclusion I can offer to this is that... these people are dumb.. and are afraid of people who are smarter than them... and... LoL!!!

I think you're onto something.

[realfake]

I think you're onto something. I agree. However, i think it is wisdom they really fear.

[michael christopher]

I agree. However, i think it is wisdom they really fear.

They fear the dissolution of the ego because to them, that is all that they can identify with. To destroy the ego is to destroy the self, because some of these people have killed their spirituality to the point where all that exists IS the ego! These egotistical identities will be discarded and cease to exist once the body that they are leeching off of dies. The entity which was meant to reside in that body will learn it's lessons, but the ego will be long gone.

If these people are like wicked witches, knowledge is like water to them.

[ex sheep]

They fear the dissolution of the ego because to them, that is all that they can identify with. To destroy the ego is to destroy the self, because some of these people have killed their spirituality to the point where all that exists IS the ego! These egotistical identities will be discarded and cease to exist once the body that they are leeching off of dies. The entity which was meant to reside in that body will learn it's lessons, but the ego will be long gone.

If these people are like wicked witches, knowledge is like water to them.

That makes sense to me why they do what they do,
thanks

[realfake]

They fear the dissolution of the ego because to them, that is all that they can identify with. To destroy the ego is to destroy the self, because some of these people have killed their spirituality to the point where all that exists IS the ego! These egotistical identities will be discarded and cease to exist once the body that they are leeching off of dies. The entity which was meant to reside in that body will learn it's lessons, but the ego will be long gone.

If these people are like wicked witches, knowledge is like water to them.The ego is also very predictable. In both its actions and reactions.

[papiowhisperer]

Wait a minute - there's no cities on Mars...!?

[michael christopher]

The ego is also very predictable. In both its actions and reactions.

Yes, it's very easy to stay one step ahead of these nasty people. They are very predictable - they will always look out for themselves first, if they bother to look out for anyone else at all.

[realfake]

Yes, it's very easy to stay one step ahead of these nasty people. They are very predictable - they will always look out for themselves first, if they bother to look out for anyone else at all. The echo will never overcome the voice. This is why they want us all singing from the same hymn sheet.

[michael christopher]

The echo will never overcome the voice. This is why they want us all singing from the same hymn sheet.

Well, then choose not to. :p

They can't do anything about it. Who cares what "they" want? We are in control of ourselves no matter how much they think they can influence us. I don't care what these people going around on the forum saying that everyone is brainwashed think - the truth is, people can only be brainwashed if they let themselves be. And you can snap out of it whenever you want, if you have the proper motivation to want to.

[realfake]

Well, then choose not to. :p

They can't do anything about it. Who cares what "they" want? We are in control of ourselves no matter how much they think they can influence us. I don't care what these people going around on the forum saying that everyone is brainwashed think - the truth is, people can only be brainwashed if they let themselves be. And you can snap out of it whenever you want, if you have the proper motivation to want to. I agree, intent is one heck of a tool to have at your disposal :) We wouldn't require constant reaffirmation of how evil this world is if it were just that.

[drael]

Whats facinating about this to me is, psychiatrists say mental illness is biological.

Then here they are saying its mental, basically.

They still havent a clue in reality, yet you can find them asserting both these things.

[size_of_light]

Whats facinating about this to me is, psychiatrists say mental illness is biological.

Then here they are saying its mental, basically.

They still havent a clue in reality, yet you can find them asserting both these things.

This from the the quote embedded in the OP:

According to MacDonald, most delusions begin with general, unexplained feelings of discontent that are caused by a problem with the brain. It's only when someone tries to search for an explanation for their feelings that a delusion forms.

What's the implication? If you feel dissatisfied with your life, you're showing the first sign of mental illness? And the remedy is not to try to understand why you're dissatisfied? :D

"Then over time, the delusions become crystallized -- meaning they take on particular narratives, story lines and people's motives begin to be fleshed out," said MacDonald. "When one thing isn't explained, it's never abandoned. The plot just thickens ... and you credit your persecutor with a tremendous amount of power."

Apparently having the insanity to actually believe you're beginning to understand yourself and develop ideas and concepts about how you got to where you are in life is also dangerous.

MacDonald said it can make it difficult to do talk therapy when delusional people feed their story from outside sources or find evidence with other conspiracy plots.

Read: it makes it hard for us to brainwash people who are more self aware and better informed than we are.

"You're sitting across from your therapist and they say, 'Well why would they do all of this?' And you've got the answers because you've studied online," he said.


Read: "Fucking internet!"

Icke said that sort of danger is not his responsibility.

"You can't stop information because it might be misused by people," he said.

"What people think of my information is none of my business; it's their business," he added. "I'm not saying, 'This is how it is, you must believe it.' I'm saying, 'This is another way to look at the world. What do you think?'"

The first sane statement made in the article.

[cleopatraxxx]

The way i see it is...if it's all bollox (the whole conspiracy movement (whatever you wanna label it)) then people/govs wont mind it being discussed anymore than celebrity crap will they?

The only reason it's becoming 'a problem' is because they dont want people taking it too seriously and discovering there's truth to it!

Admittedly there's a lot of truth mixed in with dis-info and half-truths in all conspiracies....leading people off the path but you just gotta wade through and sort fact from fiction/ truth from lies etc etc....

Excellent wise words, lottie
Thank YOU

[cleopatraxxx]

This from the the quote embedded in the OP:

According to MacDonald, most delusions begin with general, unexplained feelings of discontent that are caused by a problem with the brain. It's only when someone tries to search for an explanation for their feelings that a delusion forms.

What's the implication? If you feel dissatisfied with your life, you're showing the first sign of mental illness? And the remedy is not to try to understand why you're dissatisfied? :D

"Then over time, the delusions become crystallized -- meaning they take on particular narratives, story lines and people's motives begin to be fleshed out," said MacDonald. "When one thing isn't explained, it's never abandoned. The plot just thickens ... and you credit your persecutor with a tremendous amount of power."

Apparently having the insanity to actually believe you're beginning to understand yourself and develop ideas and concepts about how you got to where you are in life is also dangerous.

MacDonald said it can make it difficult to do talk therapy when delusional people feed their story from outside sources or find evidence with other conspiracy plots.

Read: it makes it hard for us to brainwash people who are more self aware and better informed than we are.

"You're sitting across from your therapist and they say, 'Well why would they do all of this?' And you've got the answers because you've studied online," he said.


Read: "Fucking internet!"

Icke said that sort of danger is not his responsibility.

"You can't stop information because it might be misused by people," he said.

"What people think of my information is none of my business; it's their business," he added. "I'm not saying, 'This is how it is, you must believe it.' I'm saying, 'This is another way to look at the world. What do you think?'"

The first sane statement made in the article.

i like the way you express yourself
i agree with your words 100% too, size of light

[cleopatraxxx]

wait a minute - there's no cities on mars...!?

lol

[cleopatraxxx]

snip...
I haven't met Icke myself but from his presentations & interviews he strikes me as someone with sound mental health.


may i bring to your notice that ONLY PURE BRITISH people and those who have lived on the ISLE know how to interpret "sound" health. a foreigner who knows only the "Queens English" will not understand this.

"hiya, what's up mate?"=hello, how are you pal/friend?
"I'm sound, and you?"=I'm fine/OK, and you

hopefully this clarified it to most non-english people outside the UK.

Cleo

i am myself still adapting to these "non-queen's English terms"

looks like all the Enhglish taught in foreign to the UK countries is called in the UK as the "Queens English". There are so many variations of the pronounciation of words and the apparently "incorrect" usage of the phonetics makes it sound very strangeto mainly foreigners how English people speak it all over the UK. in certain instances, many British people from the South struggle to understand the peopole from the North. Welsh is a totally different story too. i find the Scottish less difficult to understand when compared to the Welsh.

[size_of_light]

i like the way you express yourself
i agree with your words 100% too, size of light

Thanks. :)

Anyone thinking of starting up their own small business should read psychiatry journals for tips on "How To Create Your Own Customers Out of Thin Air!"