Massive Chemtrail Attack: Public Responds

[timezone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wr5d2xBBtU

Santa Monica, CA 12/14/08. Numerous planes were spraying the skies in southern California; the weather soon became gloomy and overcast. I asked locals if they knew what all the strange lines in the sky were and why the planes were spraying. I encountered several foreigners who said the same thing happens in their countries, and met one recent police academy grad who stated that he would do anything, including confiscating people’s firearms, if it meant keeping his job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27PnTOf2Go

[largejack]

Very good I like the way the are asking the general public about what they think the lines are

[anthony65]

:DVery good I like the way the are asking the general public about what they think the lines are


Straight Lines? Keep an eye on the satellite pictures that give a clear indiciation of the weather manipulation that's taking place.

http://www.sat24.com/gb

Massive Chemtrail Attack. Public Responds with Orgonite! :D

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

http://www.whale.to/b/orgone1.html

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

[anthony65]

Bizarre image in Satellite photos of Southern Germany! :eek:

If you check this link now you'll see a small "shadow" appear and diappear at the bottom of the screen. Watch closely. There seems to be an object above the clouds casting a shadow upon the clouds. the object disappears. i wrote "small" but in real terms it's massive! :cool:

http://www.sat24.com/de

[anthony65]

The bizzare "Thing" is still there!

Look now! At the bottom of the image...

http://www.sat24.com/de

[academylin]

anthony65......
I can't see diddly...
WHAT is it we are supposed to see ?
Bottom left, bottom right, bottom bottom ?

[beldazar]

:D


Straight Lines? Keep an eye on the satellite pictures that give a clear indiciation of the weather manipulation that's taking place.

http://www.sat24.com/gb

Massive Chemtrail Attack. Public Responds with Orgonite! :D

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

http://www.whale.to/b/orgone1.html

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Hi Anthony, so glad to see you mentioning orgonite, too many think its just some kind of pseudoscience and wont give it a go!

ANYTHING is worth a try ;)

Is it the thing in the bottom right corner that resembles some kind of rod thing? :confused:

[anthony65]

anthony65......
I can't see diddly...
WHAT is it we are supposed to see ?
Bottom left, bottom right, bottom bottom ?

It's at bottom centre. A small shape appears and disappears above the clouds. It looks like a bird (or a UFO???).

It's still there as I post this..

http://www.sat24.com/de

[anthony65]

Hi Anthony, so glad to see you mentioning orgonite, too many think its just some kind of pseudoscience and wont give it a go!

ANYTHING is worth a try ;)

Is it the thing in the bottom right corner that resembles some kind of rod thing? :confused:

Bottom centre of the image. Rod, bird, UFO. The interesting thing is that it is above the clouds and casts a shadow. Look closely and you'll also see a "bright" shadow behind the object. I'd recommend watching a few times and think about what you're seeing.

I don't know what it is. but it's bizarre!

http://www.sat24.com/de

[beldazar]

Yes it is! I zoomed it up and got my magnifying glass out. Its a shame you cant freeze the frame. Its not a bird nor a hole in the clouds, my gusee is that its a UFO :cool:

[ianw]

They must also want a spiritual awakening with the world heading for financial meltdown. may be its DMT pineal stimulous.

[academylin]

Yes, and it stuck around too long to be a bird, weird shadow also.
As I said am packing a great big rucksack with ( ironically ) space rations, even as we speak.:eek:

[beldazar]

aaarrrggghhh, pack one for me too! :D

[academylin]

They must also want a spiritual awakening with the world heading for financial meltdown. may be its DMT pineal stimulous.

Huh??!!??
am likeing the spiritual awakeness, here here, but DMT Pineal thingio...
quest que cest ?? ( bit bi lingual, therefore not a complete thickett ! )

[academylin]

aaarrrggghhh, pack one for me too! :D

Unfortunately I am compelled to travel alone... and very very far away from here, it would seem I am allergic to planet Earth !:p

[beldazar]

hahahahahaha, which planet are you going to then?

Im off to beetlejuice :D

[anthony65]

I managed to Tinypic it! Look at bottom of the screen for the bird like object above the clouds. Note the bright "Shadow" behind it!

I also zoomed in on a still frame.

Weird!

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qraps0&s=4

Enjoy! :D

At the top centre of the picture note the appearance of black lines in the clouds!

Here is the latest image for Spain!

http://www.sat24.com/sp

Note the washboard clouds in the North East that don't move! :rolleyes:

To save the graphic at any time just right click and save!

[academylin]

Here is the latest image for Spain!

http://www.sat24.com/sp

Note the washboard clouds in the North East that don't move! :rolleyes:

To save the graphic at any time just right click and save!

Click on infra red, they don't show up at all!

( am adding a physics and chemistry un Alevel to my economics un Alevel too )

[academylin]

may be its DMT pineal stimulous.

maybe it is!?
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/pc/dmt.html

( I really wish I'd listened in school )

[anthony65]

Click on infra red, they don't show up at all!

( am adding a physics and chemistry un Alevel to my economics un Alevel too )


Interesting!

The Infrared view jumps to a different scale.

Maybe the cloud thickness plays a role here.

Fake / haarp clouds are thinner I reckon. Which is why the fake washboard clouds don't show on Infrared but the massive natural clouds do show.

[academylin]

I know the scale changes which makes it trickier,
hmmm....exciting isn't it ?
Makes you wonder how blatant they actually think they can be huh ?

[anthony65]

The Spanish Washboard is still there.

Note also how the clouds in Northern Spain have been following the same rather straight line south for the past couple of hours at least...

http://www.sat24.com/sp

[dreamweaver]

I know the scale changes which makes it trickier,
hmmm....exciting isn't it ?
Makes you wonder how blatant they actually think they can be huh ?

So blatant, in fact, that they probably aren't poisoning anyone at all by this method. :rolleyes:

[anthony65]

So blatant, in fact, that they probably aren't poisoning anyone at all by this method. :rolleyes:

Who mentioned poison?

What about weather manipulation?

[dreamweaver]

Oh, they can control the weather now, can they? :rolleyes:

Look mate, I'm more interested in preparing for real threats like the collapse of the world banking system and the very real moves towards an Orwellian state, not nebulous and completely imaginary threats that are just a silly internet meme. You carry on dribbling about them if you like though.

[anthony65]

Oh, they can control the weather now, can they? :rolleyes:

Look mate, I'm more interested in preparing for real threats like the collapse of the world banking system and the very real moves towards an Orwellian state, not nebulous and completely imaginary threats that are just a silly internet meme. You carry on dribbling about them if you like though.


Yes they can control the weather.

They used to call it geoengineering, but now it's termed planetary engineering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_engineering

The US Military wrote back in the 90's that they would own the weather globally by 2025. They also describe weather control as a force multiplier.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

The Russians have been involved in weather modification too. The Russians and the Chinese make no secret of it.

Although nobody mentioned poison in this thread until you brought it up. The British Government has admitted to spraying its own population (but only after they were pushed by an honest MP!).

They also make no comment as to what they've done since 1979.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

[klinker]

Yes they can control the weather.

They used to call it geoengineering, but now it's termed planetary engineering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_engineering

The US Military wrote back in the 90's that they would own the weather globally by 2025. They also describe weather control as a force multiplier.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

The Russians have been involved in weather modification too. The Russians and the Chinese make no secret of it.

Although nobody mentioned poison in this thread until you brought it up. The British Government has admitted to spraying its own population (but only after they were pushed by an honest MP!).

They also make no comment as to what they've done since 1979.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Scott Stevens from Weather wars has been saying it for years. He used to be a TV weatherman and was the only one who could actually predict what the weather was going to do and he based his predictions on chemtrail activity.

[academylin]

Oh, they can control the weather now, can they? :rolleyes:

Look mate, I'm more interested in preparing for real threats like the collapse of the world banking system and the very real moves towards an Orwellian state, not nebulous and completely imaginary threats that are just a silly internet meme. You carry on dribbling about them if you like though.

FINDING MY WAY OUT OF A LEFT BRAIN PRISON

And on the looooooong road it seems!
slowly, slowly catch the monkey...

[anthony65]

the Guardian article is so relevant, I'll post it out in full. Care to comment Dreamwaver?

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer

Sunday April 21, 2002


The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

[antinwo]

Please stop HARRPing on about weather manipulation;)
:D

[dreamweaver]

Is that the best you've got, anthony65? An article about covert tests that were carried out in the past? Do you have anything to back up any of your conjecture at all, apart from irrelevant newspaper articles and crappy YouTube videos? Like any research from independent scientists confirming any chemical pollutants being emitted from aircraft? Or am I supposed to believe it just because you say so?

[academylin]

Standing ovation, anthony65.
Regardless of the science, if the weather is shit, people get depressed, (ie; S.A.D.) masses of depression CREATES A HUGE ENERGY SHIFT.
We should really now be aware that they actually love it when that happens !
Dreamweaver, you do the math.;)

[academylin]

Please stop HARRPing on about weather manipulation;)
:D

Tee hee:o

[dreamweaver]

Dreamweaver, you do the math.;)
Show me the numbers and I'll do the math. State what you claim is being emitted by these aircraft and show some measurements of the air pollution.

[beldazar]

OMG! Another person too sodding lazy to do any of their own research!

There is plenty of research out there providing you can bring yourself to watch all those 'crappy' you-tube vids. :rolleyes:

Is there any point in trying to show you anything? You dont seem the type of person to even bother to watch/read any info on chemtrails....

There are soooo many threads regarding chemtrails. why dont you go take a look?

[dreamweaver]

So you have nothing then. It's your claim, pal, you need to back it up. And watching a bunch of crappy, badly-argued opinion videos on youtube hardly constitutes "research".

For the umpteenth time: State what you claim is being emitted by these aircraft and show some measurements of the air pollution.

[beldazar]

Dreamweaver, Ive had much bigger debates about it with better ppl than you, it gets really boring after a while...

You DO know where to find the chemtrail section dont you? To say 'there is no evidence' is rather childish. Peple HAVE collected the white substance that has drifted down from heavy spraying. Go take a look if you want......

[los_nomo]

I can say that I personally have seen 5 to 6 planes over my house flying in parallel formation and all of them trailing what looked like to me as chemtrails. They were spaced about a mile apart or at least a good distance apart. I pointed the one that was just overhead to a neighbor of mine and miraculously the chemtrail stopped as if they were looking for people who might be watching them. The other planes did not stop however.

[dreamweaver]

Dreamweaver, Ive had much bigger debates about it with better ppl than you,
Then you should have no difficulty presenting some facts. Come on then...

And I haven't said "there is no evidence". I've challenged people to come up with some and instead of being able to do so, they make excuses and resort to name-calling. Which proves my point, in all honesty.

So, one more chance. State what you claim is being emitted by these aircraft and show some measurements of the air pollution.

[beldazar]

Los Nomo, I have witnessed planes stop spraying in mid-air, do a u-turn then resume spraying again. If anyone doesnt think this is slightly suspicious needs their head testing :(

[academylin]

I often find it is better for a person to research their own path, however Beldazar, I will leave this in your very capable hands whilst I nip to the bank to change my sterling for euros, and get the bus to Millets to buy some dried rations !

[dreamweaver]

I can say that I personally have seen 5 to 6 planes over my house flying in parallel formation and all of them trailing what looked like to me as chemtrails. They were spaced about a mile apart or at least a good distance apart. I pointed the one that was just overhead to a neighbor of mine and miraculously the chemtrail stopped as if they were looking for people who might be watching them.
Or maybe they were just condensation trails after all... :rolleyes:

[beldazar]

Then you should have no difficulty presenting some facts. Come on then...

And I haven't said "there is no evidence". I've challenged people to come up with some and instead of being able to do so, they make excuses and resort to name-calling. Which proves my point, in all honesty.

So, one more chance. State what you claim is being emitted by these aircraft and show some measurements of the air pollution.

Are you at all surprised that people resort to name-calling? Im usually quite a placid person but your attitude has the ability to wind people up! First off, I really dislike people telling me what to do, secondly, I have suggested that you go visit the sub-forum on the subject which I doubt very much you would even bother and thirdly, use my eyes.

Are you trying to say that we now have 'magical' ice crystals that have the ability to 'magically' spread out? WOW! :rolleyes:

[dreamweaver]

IAre you trying to say that we now have 'magical' ice crystals that have the ability to 'magically' spread out? WOW!
Ah, you're trying to put words in my mouth now.

So, despite me asking three times for you (and others) to clarify what you claim is being emitted by these aircraft and to show some measurements of the air pollution, you still haven't been able to answer. Instead, you have thrown a hissy fit and tried to evade these very simple questions.

Let's leave it at that then.

[beldazar]

Are you REALLY that stupid? Mate, I do my own research, I dont fancy spoon-feeding anyone!

[jennf]

This company has been cloud seeding for more than 50 years as a private company for private clients :rolleyes: Funny how they can't make it rain in Africa or anywhere else with drought and would like to know who the clients are :cool:

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[dreamweaver]

Are you REALLY that stupid? Mate, I do my own research, I dont fancy spoon-feeding anyone!

I am far from stupid, which is why I do my own research and have found nothing, nada, zip, zilch that is remotely convincing about "chemtrails". You claim to have done the research and yet you can't come up with one single verifiable fact to support your belief and you can't even say what you believe is actually being emitted by these aircraft, let alone come up with some hard evidence to back it up.

[beldazar]

Check through all my posts, you will see that I have already had this conversation several times over....cant be assed to do it again, and certainly not for someone who isnt really interested......

[anthony65]

Is that the best you've got, anthony65? An article about covert tests that were carried out in the past? Do you have anything to back up any of your conjecture at all, apart from irrelevant newspaper articles and crappy YouTube videos? Like any research from independent scientists confirming any chemical pollutants being emitted from aircraft? Or am I supposed to believe it just because you say so?

The best I've got?

What a childish statement.

What is the point of discussing anything with you?

The articles and statements are irrelevant?

Your judgement.

I'd welcome the opinions of other posters as to the significance of the links I provided.

Are you supposed to believe?

Of course not. Make up your own mind.

Your position is clear.

Flat on your back with your head up your arse. ;)

No wonder you don't see the chemtrails! :D

[lottie]

Just a reminder to keep the thread free from personal insults guys! I know its frustrating!

:)

[lottie]

This company has been cloud seeding for more than 50 years as a private company for private clients :rolleyes: Funny how they can't make it rain in Africa or anywhere else with drought and would like to know who the clients are :cool:







http://www.nawcinc.com/wm.html

Great post Jennf...thanks for sharing!! :)

[dreamweaver]

The best I've got?

What a childish statement.

and

Flat on your back with your head up your arse. ;)

No wonder you don't see the chemtrails! :D
Hmmmm, you were saying something about childish statements? :rolleyes:

Anthony, your "evidence" is very thin indeed. And yes, I've already done some research on this and found the evidence to be woefully lacking so far.

But part of the process of research is to ask people who claim to be knowledgeable about the subject. It's very revealing that self-appointed experts on this subject here throw hissy fits and resort to name-calling when being asked perfectly reasonable questions. It hardly inspires confidence in your credibility, now does it?


P.S. Jennf> Thanks for the info re cloud-seeding. I'm aware of this, it's been done for many decades with varying degrees of success. I very much doubt that much cloud-seeding is done in the UK given our climate though. Besides, people here seem to be blaming "chemtrails" for everything from a sore throat to disappearance of sparrows. All I'm asking is for them to show what they base these beliefs on and the answer seems to be "precious little" on the showing so far.

[eyepod]

and


Hmmmm, you were saying something about childish statements? :rolleyes:

Anthony, your "evidence" is very thin indeed. And yes, I've already done some research on this and found the evidence to be woefully lacking so far.

But part of the process of research is to ask people who claim to be knowledgeable about the subject. It's very revealing that self-appointed experts on this subject here throw hissy fits and resort to name-calling when being asked perfectly reasonable questions. It hardly inspires confidence in your credibility, now does it?

So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show us all your reams of evidence that all these planes are just spewing out water vapour?

Your so well researched maybe you can also explain how approx 10-15 years ago these "trails" disapated after less than 20 seconds but today can be witnessed lingering from horizon to horizon for hours on end and then forming odd cloud like formations. How does water vapour do this today when it didn't back in the past?

[anthony65]

and


Hmmmm, you were saying something about childish statements? :rolleyes:

Anthony, your "evidence" is very thin indeed. And yes, I've already done some research on this and found the evidence to be woefully lacking so far.

But part of the process of research is to ask people who claim to be knowledgeable about the subject. It's very revealing that self-appointed experts on this subject here throw hissy fits and resort to name-calling when being asked perfectly reasonable questions. It hardly inspires confidence in your credibility, now does it?

Yes that was a childish statement! ;)

My evidence is very thin?

You made a sarcastic comment that "they can control the weather now"

I provided some information to show that "they can control the weather" or at least they have stated that this is their aim.

You made a sarcastic comment about "being poisoned".

I provided an article that shows that the Government admitted to poisoning the population.

"Self-appointed experts?" **

Where did anybody claim that?

We have opinions. We make observations.

"Hissy fits"?

So you can dish out your sarky comments all day long and if anybody replies in kind their credibility is gone?

I'd welcome anybody, including the moderators, to read through the posts on this thread and note your contributions.

We are discussing our observations.

You are being something that I won't write because Lottie asked us to behave. :)

[anthony65]

Eyepod!

Welcome! And to anybody else who missed it earlier...

Take a look at the satellite image that caught my attention this morning!

Note the small black object that appears at the bottom of the screen. Note also the bright "shadow" behind it.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qraps0&s=4

[dreamweaver]

So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show us all your reams of evidence that all these planes are just spewing out water vapour?
I never claimed any such thing. They are emitting jet fuel exhaust fumes as well.

I'm not the one blaming illnesses and species of birds disappearing on "chemtrails", I don't need to prove anything. It's your claim, you need to back it up. I'm still waiting.

Your so well researched maybe you can also explain how approx 10-15 years ago these "trails" disapated after less than 20 seconds
False. In my childhood in the 1970s, condensation trails would sometimes stay in the air for much longer, spending on atmospheric conditions. Where do you get the idea that water vapour automatically dissipates after less than 20 seconds? Do clouds disappear after less than 20 seconds?

[los_nomo]

Or maybe they were just condensation trails after all... :rolleyes: How do you turn off a condensation trail? Why did the others not stop at the same time? Why would they all be flying in parallel formation? A condensation trail happens because there is moisture in the air reacting with the heat of the turbojets of the plane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail Therefore, a plane cannot control when a contrail would stop. If the air up there suddenly ran out of moisture then why didn't the other planes stop making trails as well? Besides all that, the skies were clear and the humidity was rather low that day. It is, however, very possible that they are looking for people who might be noticing what they are doing and hit a stop button on the operation to confuse an onlooker into thinking it was a short lived contrail. They erred in the fact that they didn't radio to the other planes to make them stop as well.

[los_nomo]

Los Nomo, I have witnessed planes stop spraying in mid-air, do a u-turn then resume spraying again. If anyone doesnt think this is slightly suspicious needs their head testing :(

Agreed

[eyepod]

I never claimed any such thing. They are emitting jet fuel exhaust fumes as well.

I'm not the one blaming illnesses and species of birds disappearing on "chemtrails", I don't need to prove anything. It's your claim, you need to back it up. I'm still waiting.


False. In my childhood in the 1970s, condensation trails would sometimes stay in the air for much longer, spending on atmospheric conditions. Where do you get the idea that water vapour automatically dissipates after less than 20 seconds? Do clouds disappear after less than 20 seconds?

It not my claim as you put it - I don't need to back up anything. I have claimed nothing about these "trails" other than something has changed over the last 15-20 years from my own observations.

I was a child of the 70s also. I also happened to very much into planes so far as owning binoculours and a telescope and would sit out in the garden and observe them. My next door neighbour was also an aircraft engineer at heathrow who informed me that it wasn't smoke but water vapour that came out of the back. The aircraft I observed back then never left trails that lasted more than 20-30 seconds.

Clouds are not exactly the same as condensation trails now are they? Slightly more dense wouldn't you say?

[ownedtbh]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pantsyr/images/pantsyr4.jpg

[academylin]

So blatant, in fact, that they probably aren't poisoning anyone at all by this method. :rolleyes:

Initially here, we were discussing what the strange dark image was on the satellite footage over Germany, also its shadow and also why the effect of that and the washboard style clouds in Northern Spain weren't showing up on the infra red version of the satellite imagery. A debate upon weather altering or indeed chem trails ( excluding the initial video post ) had yet to develop, and indeed not in any shirty manner, Dream weaver.
Ok, we have decided it can't be a bird, too big, too long in one place, a suggestion or two of a U.F.O. has been raised.... what in your opinion do you think it could be.. lets backtrack and then howabout we discover and learn together, there's a novel twist on the concept of debate.:confused:

[dreamweaver]

I was a child of the 70s also. I also happened to very much into planes so far as owning binoculours and a telescope and would sit out in the garden and observe them. My next door neighbour was also an aircraft engineer at heathrow who informed me that it wasn't smoke but water vapour that came out of the back. The aircraft I observed back then never left trails that lasted more than 20-30 seconds.

All I can say on that is that I remember differently, as I do remember some condensation trails that lasted a lot longer.

The problem here is that I simply haven't yet seen anything that convinces me that there is anything untoward about these trails. I'm sorry if it's coming across as me trying to prove everyone wrong, that isn't the case. I'm not doing the "nobody can convince me" thing here, that would be the sign of a closed mind.

All I'm asking for is for you guys to say what you think these trails actually are and whether you've seen anything concrete to back it up. For example, I've seen the youtube clip where a guy is interviewed by a mainstream news channel and says that he had some samples analysed which showed higher than normal levels of barium. Fine, that's something to go on. It leaves open the question of whether the sample actually came from the plane, but at least it's a start.

[john connor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wr5d2xBBtU

Santa Monica, CA 12/14/08. Numerous planes were spraying the skies in southern California; the weather soon became gloomy and overcast. I asked locals if they knew what all the strange lines in the sky were and why the planes were spraying. I encountered several foreigners who said the same thing happens in their countries, and met one recent police academy grad who stated that he would do anything, including confiscating people’s firearms, if it meant keeping his job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27PnTOf2Go

Dont talk so stupid, no such thing as chemtrails:rolleyes:, they are vapour trails (cough choke), you know contrails, they have always been around, you know I remember the 70's, laying in the back garden getting a sun tan (pre skin cancer warning days) and remember seeing the planes overhead leaving trails occasionaly that would last a whole whopping 10-30 seconds before vanishing, so there ya go, nothing to it all, dont just take my word for it, the very nice man from GCHQ who posts on here said so too.

[dreamweaver]

While we're revisiting the 70s, why do people think we don't see white dog turds any more? ;)

The "official story" is that the white was caused by calcium from bones and that they no longer put bone meal in dog food and people tend not to give dogs bones from the butcher to chew any more. Do people accept this or is there another explanation?

Academylin> sorry if I appear to have hijacked the thread then! There have been several simultaneous chemtrail threads and I may have "leaped in" to the wrong one by accident. Big oops if that's the case. :(

[anthony65]

Initially here, we were discussing what the strange dark image was on the satellite footage over Germany, also its shadow and also why the effect of that and the washboard style clouds in Northern Spain weren't showing up on the infra red version of the satellite imagery. A debate upon weather altering or indeed chem trails ( excluding the initial video post ) had yet to develop, and indeed not in any shirty manner, Dream weaver.
Ok, we have decided it can't be a bird, too big, too long in one place, a suggestion or two of a U.F.O. has been raised.... what in your opinion do you think it could be.. lets backtrack and then howabout we discover and learn together, there's a novel twist on the concept of debate.:confused:

Something else that caught my attention today. This will test your geography skills! ;)

On the first image, look to the right, German border to Poland and you will see 2 dots. Bright lights that appear to penetrate the clouds from below.

These are very low populated areas. Not city lights. You see nothing from Berlin for example. Something is making these lights and they stay there for quite a while.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n8yerb&s=4

In the second image, you need to look at the lower centre of the image and you will again see more dots. Again, these are not the densely populted areas of the Ruhrgebiet or Holland.

Even more spectacular! Top right of the image you see a tear in the clouds. Look carefully and you will see a dot that moves across the screen in the direction of the rip in the clouds (from north east to south west).

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

[john connor]

I suppose this photo taken over my house in the East Midlands last saturday is normal too, normal vapour trail?? Like to know what the orange ball is? maybe the pilots were setting up a spot the ball comp?

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7503/dec73ballmk1.jpg

[anthony65]

[QUOTE=john connor;672417]I suppose this photo taken over my house in the East Midlands last saturday is normal too, normal vapour trail?? Like to know what the orange ball is? maybe the pilots wre setting up a spot the ball comp?

If it's spot the ball then you've won! :D

Did you spot the balls in the post prior to yours?

Especially the moving one in the second image! :cool:

[academylin]

All I'm asking for is for you guys to say what you think these trails actually are and whether you've seen anything concrete to back it up.


Chemical incapacitants have been developed that affect the mental functions of the mind in various ways. Today, research and deployment continues of chemical and radioactive substances that can control people. One of the methods that chemical and radioactive materials work is to change genetic structures. Some of the genetic changes that can be created chemically, are chemical changes that affect the way the mind thinks. In a nutshell, we are looking at a situation where the thinking of an entire race could be altered via chemicals dropped into their air and water. How long would these genetic changes last? It is conceivable that some of the changes might have long range consequences. Again, the bottom line is that the World Order has at its disposal radioactive substances that can distributed in conjunction with chemicals to mind-control large geographic regions by genetic manipulation. These radioactive substances and chemicals can be distributed over vast areas by the air and water of a geographic region. It is conceivable that within a short time, the United States will experience chemicals administered via the air, or the drinking water used in conjunction with specific external stimuli to reinforce certain types of mind-control programming on a mass of people. A chemical that makes people susceptible to suggestion could be used over a geographic area while hypnotic television messages and ELF waves, etc. contribute to the mind-control operation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x35649

I think that points like this and others related specifically to the disorder fibromyralgia ( sp) are interesting theories, indeed, how we can obtain PROOF is perhaps why we are at this forum. It has been noticed that although not by any means a " new " disorder, the cases of fibromyalgia are on the increase.

[academylin]

[QUOTE=john connor;672417]I suppose this photo taken over my house in the East Midlands last saturday is normal too, normal vapour trail?? Like to know what the orange ball is? maybe the pilots wre setting up a spot the ball comp?

If it's spot the ball then you've won! :D

Did you spot the balls in the post prior to yours?

Especially the moving one in the second image! :cool:


yep, yep, yep...( jumps up and down foolishly and trips over the dog in her haste to scroll down and find her prize !!! ) Yep, saw them I win the competition.
You know what, and I'm not entirely sure what these are, but could they be orbs ?
( frantically opens another window to google orbs !! )
Fascinating really anthony65, so go on then........
What are they ?

[anthony65]

[QUOTE=anthony65;672419]


yep, yep, yep...( jumps up and down foolishly and trips over the dog in her haste to scroll down and find her prize !!! ) Yep, saw them I win the competition.
You know what, and I'm not entirely sure what these are, but could they be orbs ?
( frantically opens another window to google orbs !! )
Fascinating really anthony65, so go on then........
What are they ?

What are they? :cool:

Big!

Bright!

The moving one in the second image is a big and moving.

There were others that were stationary.

Things to note when you're sky watching.

Black lines in conjunction with chemtrails. The lines can be seen above, below or even in front of the trails. Sometimes the lines are there where the chemtrails disappear. Sometimes they take a different course.

Maybe these UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) are laying down the black lines?

Note also how sometimes the clouds rip open down a line. This seems to happen to the fake Haarped clouds which are not very thick. The rip sometimes opens up wider and wider.

Loads to see up there! And the satellite images show up someinteresting stuff!

In Youtube search for chemtrails ufos and you'll find lots of videos recording how these orbs are often seen together with chemtrails. But the orbes are usually tiny. The things in the satellite images above are massive! :eek:

[beldazar]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1886/hemtrails003nz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails003nz1.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails003nz1.jpg/1/)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6458/hemtrails004lp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails004lp4.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails004lp4.jpg/1/)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1686/hemtrails005nb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails005nb5.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img512/hemtrails005nb5.jpg/1/)


ooo I got really excited reading those posts! Had to put the pics I took yesterday up in case mine were special :o

[beldazar]

no I guess not! Bloody vapour trails :D

[academylin]

I think your pictures are VERY special Beldazar....
As too are you sweetie.... now go get that lie down you've been promising yourself all day, repeating to yourself over and over... i am special, i am special, my photos are special too !!
RAOFL:D:D:D

[academylin]

no i guess not! Bloody vapour trails :d


seriously though, there are rather a lot !! ( concerned face !? )

[hagbard_celine]

Oddly enough we've had very few to no chemtrails at all where I live for a couple of weeks. This has coincided with very clear skies and more visible stars than ususal.;)

[beldazar]

ROFL! Cheers Lin :D

[lottie]

Oddly enough we've had very few to no chemtrails at all where I live for a couple of weeks. This has coincided with very clear skies and more visible stars than ususal.;)

Yeah we've had no real serious attacks recently- we have the odd few each day ...im not sure there's a day that goes past without them anymore...but the skies havnt been full on for a while like Beldezars pics...last summer was terrible for them!

[the worm that turned]

Yeah we've had no real serious attacks recently- we have the odd few each day ...im not sure there's a day that goes past without them anymore...but the skies havnt been full on for a while like Beldezars pics...last summer was terrible for them!

No need, everyone is suffering with a mystery bug making them ill (lowering their immune systems to other attacks). I wonder what caused this illness???

[anthony65]

Oddly enough we've had very few to no chemtrails at all where I live for a couple of weeks. This has coincided with very clear skies and more visible stars than ususal.;)

Did you see the links I posted earlier in the thread? I'd like to know your opinion! :) Especially the second one with the moving ball! ;)

******

Something else that caught my attention today. This will test your geography skills!

On the first image, look to the right, German border to Poland and you will see 2 dots. Bright lights that appear to penetrate the clouds from below.

These are very low populated areas. Not city lights. You see nothing from Berlin for example. Something is making these lights and they stay there for quite a while.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n8yerb&s=4

In the second image, you need to look at the lower centre of the image and you will again see more dots. Again, these are not the densely populted areas of the Ruhrgebiet or Holland.

Even more spectacular! Top right of the image you see a tear in the clouds. Look carefully and you will see a dot that moves across the screen in the direction of the rip in the clouds (from north east to south west).

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

[dangermouse]

http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

Weather as a Force Multiplier:
Owning the Weather in 2025


2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.

This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.

This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release.

Why would they bother going to the trouble of comming up with all this if it is a complete work of fiction .. hmmm sounds suspicious to me

[beldazar]

Oh yeah! Ive just noticed them, dont know my geography very well, was a lesson me and my mate were always skiving from so I failed, lol.

These 'orb's have been linked to chemtrails a lot, there is a pic on here somewhere that actually shows one leading a chem plane

[anthony65]

Oh yeah! Ive just noticed them, dont know my geography very well, was a lesson me and my mate were always skiving from so I failed, lol.

These 'orb's have been linked to chemtrails a lot, there is a pic on here somewhere that actually shows one leading a chem plane

Orbs are usually small. this one is big enough to show up on a satellite photo!

Top right of the photo where the rip in the clouds appears. The "orb" follows the direction of the rip from North East to South West..

It's clearly a BFO!

Big f***** Orb :D

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

[beldazar]

Oh yes, I can see it slightly move, I didnt take into consideration the size it must be! :eek:

Ive zoomed it in and got out my trusty magnifier and its definitely a smooth, rounded shape

[anthony65]

Oh yes, I can see it slightly move, I didnt take into consideration the size it must be! :eek:

Ive zoomed it in and got out my trusly magnifier and its definitely a smooth, rounded shape

Given the scale of the map, it must have moved about 150 miles I'd guess...?

[hagbard_celine]

Did you see the links I posted earlier in the thread? I'd like to know your opinion! :) Especially the second one with the moving ball! ;)


Is that the TinyPic image on page 7?

i can't get the frame to come up.

[anthony65]

Is that the TinyPic image on page 7?

i can't get the frame to come up.

Buggar! :D

[john connor]

Orbs are usually small. this one is big enough to show up on a satellite photo!

Top right of the photo where the rip in the clouds appears. The "orb" follows the direction of the rip from North East to South West..

It's clearly a BFO!

Big f***** Orb :D

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

BFO LOL:D you have to have a black sense of humour with all this sh*t ..I have seen photos on another site with ORB's ? leaving trails, this is a new one on me. After the weekend I took the photo with the orange thing in it, I was off sick for 3 days, coughing my guts up and literally gasping for breath, viral flu the Dr said , the 10th one who had seen him that day. I had asthma and broncitus as a kid and it felt like that, strange thing is once I started smoking at 17 I never (touch wood) ever had asthma or bronchitis again in over 30 years, you would think it would have made me worse, I have this bizzare notion that maybe the mucus from smoking actually creates a barrier from the shit ( and NO I dont know what it is) they are spraying. Until this year there was no bigger sceptic than me and believe me there is nothing wrong with my eyesight 20/20 and proud of it as well as very grateful.

[dancing_with_durga]

Oddly enough we've had very few to no chemtrails at all where I live for a couple of weeks. This has coincided with very clear skies and more visible stars than ususal.;)

Same here (southern Portugal). In fact since a year of hell of almost daily spraying, the last six months has seen a significant decline, both in frequency of spraying days, and number of planes participating on those days. The beautiful blue skies are back, at least for now.

[beldazar]

yeah yeah, rub it in why dont you? Guess its only us getting sprayed now! :mad:;):D

No seriously, we have been so very lucky down here, the chemtrail pics I posted are the worst we have had!

[dancing_with_durga]

yeah yeah, rub it in why dont you? Guess its only us getting sprayed now! :mad:;):D

No seriously, we have been so very lucky down here, the chemtrail pics I posted are the worst we have had!

I'm thinking about starting a thread about my chemtrail experience here. I have observed it all very closely, and have hundreds of photos, but as I just said, the pattern has definitely changed. It struck me just now, that of all the contentious 'conspiracy' subjects out there, chemtrails is the one that is most vigorously attacked. Why would someone pursue it so strongly unless they had an ulterior motive? Perhaps it's because they are so obvious, so visible.

[beldazar]

Hey dancing with Durga, check out the other post on chemtrails, Ive exhausted my patience with people regarding the subject, been there, done that, cant be arsed!

Besides, Im not feeling well so now the kids have gone up, Im going too!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45873

[john connor]

I'm thinking about starting a thread about my chemtrail experience here. I have observed it all very closely, and have hundreds of photos, but as I just said, the pattern has definitely changed. It struck me just now, that of all the contentious 'conspiracy' subjects out there, chemtrails is the one that is most vigorously attacked. Why would someone pursue it so strongly unless they had an ulterior motive? Perhaps it's because they are so obvious, so visible.

I couldnt agree more my friend, I'm really starting to think their are so called professional paid debunkers on this site, if thats the case they are equally as gulity for any suffering and should hopefully one day be held accountable. ALL of them should be tried for crimes against humanity IMO

[pinkfreud]

Guess its only us getting sprayed now!:mad:;):D

damn sure :p no such sightings here... as of now, anyway. any illnesses/infections/virus attacks are simply because of sick people and surroundings, and due to change in temperatures.

and for the record, i do believe in chemtrails.

[anthony65]

Is that the TinyPic image on page 7?

i can't get the frame to come up.

I only had a few seconds to reply yesterday!

Here is the tinypic with the moving ball! (Top right moving down the rip in the clouds).

There were some other interesting satellite images posted yesterday.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

[anthony65]

Same here (southern Portugal). In fact since a year of hell of almost daily spraying, the last six months has seen a significant decline, both in frequency of spraying days, and number of planes participating on those days. The beautiful blue skies are back, at least for now.

I'm very pleased for you!

Your observations are another confirmation that there is more to chemtrails than just the spraying in the sky.

The atmospheric conditions play a role.

And the atmosphere is being tampered with by the HAARP network.

But the HAARP network is being tamed by the orgonite network! :D

There have been some promising reports from Spain this year that gifting the towers has produced more rainfall than usual in the past months.

[anthony65]

damn sure :p no such sightings here... as of now, anyway. any illnesses/infections/virus attacks are simply because of sick people and surroundings, and due to change in temperatures.

and for the record, i do believe in chemtrails.

Hi Pinkfreud,

I read a while ago that India has been getting tens of thousands of new mobile phone masts.

It will be interesting to see whether Chemtrails do start to appear in the India skies! Until then. Enjoy the blue skies!

We all have the right to blue skies and sunlight! :)

[pinkfreud]

Hi Pinkfreud,

I read a while ago that India has been getting tens of thousands of new mobile phone masts.

It will be interesting to see whether Chemtrails do start to appear in the India skies! Until then. Enjoy the blue skies!

We all have the right to blue skies and sunlight! :)

very true that anthony. they're popping up everywhere, even in the smaller towns, and i must point out that it's been on the rise ever since vodafone took over hutch telecom here.

indian skies (in the cities) are (almost) never blue, thanks to the smog prevalent due to exhaust fumes and such, lol :o but that's what keeps us immune i guess.

will observe the skies and take some pics if there's anything revealing or suspicious.

[dancing_with_durga]

The beautiful blue skies are back, at least for now.

Apolgies for quoting my own reply, but the 'at least for now' was prescient. Woke up this morning to this:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2407/dsc06800smallli0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/672/dsc06809smallkx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6258/dsc06804smallif2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That familiar pattern as the chemical soup settles into its different densities:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8331/dsc06817smallkq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I've been up an hour and fifteen planes have already sprayed this route (which is the southern coast of Iberia) following what is not a commercial air route, and has been plane free for several days.

[anthony65]

I've been up an hour and fifteen planes have already sprayed this route (which is the southern coast of Iberia) following what is not a commercial air route, and has been plane free for several days.


Another interesting observation! :)

This is something that I also try to explain to people.

There are day when there is hardly a plane in the sky, and then others (and nights!) when the sky is full of planes. And the planes sometimes fly in parallel, or even one tucked up behind another.

Sky watching is interesting! ;)

Satellite photo of Portugal this morning. Note the white lines coming in from the south west!

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jq5d7q&s=5

[dancing_with_durga]

Another interesting observation! :)

This is something that I also try to explain to people.

There are day when there is hardly a plane in the sky, and then others (and nights!) when the sky is full of planes. And the planes sometimes fly in parallel, or even one tucked up behind another.

Sky watching is interesting! ;)

Satellite photo of Portugal this morning. Note the white lines coming in from the south west!

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jq5d7q&s=5

Absolutely! The only planes that fly this route, straight along the south Iberian coast, are spray planes. I have never seen a non-spraying plane fly it, it is not (I checked) a commercial route, and the planes have nothing to do with Faro airport (I've had the departure tracker window open and there is no correlation to the spraying activity). This morning, in ninety minutes, over thirty planes have flown exactly the same path after each other, leaving that streaked milky sky, and unnatural pale yellow sun filtering through the chemical smog.

[anthony65]

Absolutely! The only planes that fly this route, straight along the south Iberian coast, are spray planes. I have never seen a non-spraying plane fly it, it is not (I checked) a commercial route, and the planes have nothing to do with Faro airport (I've had the departure tracker window open and there is no correlation to the spraying activity). This morning, in ninety minutes, over thirty planes have flown exactly the same path after each other, leaving that streaked milky sky, and unnatural pale yellow sun filtering through the chemical smog.

But at least it looks like the Brits are having a chemtrail free morning! :)

http://www.sat24.com/gb

[klinker]

I wish I had my camera with me this morning. Two planes flying at high altitude almost side by side in the same direction. One leaving a persistant contrail several miles behind it and the other a typical contrail which did not persist and flowed out several plane lengths behind as a typical contrail would do. It looked like one was spotting for the other. This is a rare sight and I'm kicking myself for not having the camera with me.

[deany]

amazing pics guys,

vapour trails my arse.

there has started to be a lot more action with chemtrails in the UAE too recently, I took a pic on my phone of a trail turing from horizontal to vertical and falling towards the ground, the shape was a bit like a mini hurricane as it started to fall!

interestingly we rarely get rain out here but there has been a lot this past few weeks(granted this is the time of year commonly when most rain fall happens), including this morning when there was heavy rain , thunder and lightning.

I will try and post the pic I mention when I can.

[dancing_with_durga]

Two planes flying at high altitude almost side by side in the same direction. One leaving a persistant contrail several miles behind it and the other a typical contrail which did not persist and flowed out several plane lengths behind as a typical contrail would do.

You mean like this? Taken a few minutes ago:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9606/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg/1/w374.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img210/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg/1/)

Close-up
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/435/66146389pm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/66146389pm7.jpg/1/w472.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img389/66146389pm7.jpg/1/)

Weird shadows on chemcloud:
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2539/dsc06848dx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/dsc06848dx3.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img123/dsc06848dx3.jpg/1/)

Contrails my arse indeed:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5148/dsc06847smallij4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/dsc06847smallij4.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img511/dsc06847smallij4.jpg/1/)

[klinker]

You mean like this? Taken a few minutes ago:
Close-up
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/435/66146389pm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Yep the trails are exactly as in the picture but the difference in what I saw was that the planes were at the same altitude and certainly flying side by side and very close on the same heading.

[anthony65]

You mean like this? Taken a few minutes ago:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9606/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg/1/w374.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img210/dsc06853smalloz1.jpg/1/)

Close-up
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/435/66146389pm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/66146389pm7.jpg/1/w472.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img389/66146389pm7.jpg/1/)

Weird shadows on chemcloud:
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2539/dsc06848dx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/dsc06848dx3.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img123/dsc06848dx3.jpg/1/)

Contrails my arse indeed:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5148/dsc06847smallij4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/dsc06847smallij4.jpg/1/w500.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img511/dsc06847smallij4.jpg/1/)

Classic Photos!

Muito Obrigado!

Note also the different colours of the trails!

Great capture of the shadows!

In the first photo, in the middle, do you see a couple of small orange dots?

*****

I have some more spot the ball from yesterday's images...

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w7ezie&s=4

At the top of the image, north of the Dutch coastline, note how a black line suddenly appears and disappears. Look closely and you'll see more more BFOs Big F******* Orbs! :D

The BFOs seem to be "shooting" the black lines!

[dancing_with_durga]

Muito Obrigado!

In the first photo, in the middle, do you see a couple of small orange dots?


Nada meu amigo! There do seem to be a couple of 'dots':
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8846/36989683vr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
but if you look at the position of the sun they may just be refracted spots from there. I have never seen an orb associated with spraying, but have seen the 'black beam' clearly on occasion. The originals of these pix are high res jpgs (2,272 x 1,704), if you'd like copies to study closer pm me and I'll email them to you.

[beldazar]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1732/hemtrails006vq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails006vq1.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails006vq1.jpg/1/)


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6383/hemtrails007un7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails007un7.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails007un7.jpg/1/)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8660/hemtrails008ma1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails008ma1.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails008ma1.jpg/1/)







A much better day today.

Sorry Durga :o

[anthony65]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1732/hemtrails006vq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails006vq1.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails006vq1.jpg/1/)


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6383/hemtrails007un7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails007un7.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails007un7.jpg/1/)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8660/hemtrails008ma1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails008ma1.jpg/1/w320.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img504/hemtrails008ma1.jpg/1/)







A much better day today.

Sorry Durga :o

That is a fantastic blue!

And more blue skies heading your way...

http://www.sat24.com/gb

No chemtrails over Cornwall today?

It's shitty grey skies here today!

[beldazar]

No, but the strangest thing is that they are trying! ;)

[anthony65]

No, but the strangest thing is that they are trying! ;)


:D

[dancing_with_durga]

Just a follow up to the spraying here on Wednesday. It was a one-off this time, no more spraying since, the skies are clear although by my observations over the last couple of years it normally takes 72 hours for the natural blue to return, the chemicals are very persistent. The flight patterns are so obvious. Thirty planes in 90 minutes all flying exactly the same flight-path, then nothing for days, weeks on end.The only planes that ever fly that route are spraying.

By Wednesday afternoon I started to feel a bit of achiness in my arms and legs, and by the evening had succumbed to a full-on respiratory viral infection. We must make sure we do not confuse causality with association, but in my case I was healthy, then a day heavy spraying, then a viral infection. Are they connected? It would be fascinating to correlate spraying activity and 'flu outbreaks'.

[deany]

as promised here are a couple of pics showing chemtrails dropping vertically to the ground. These were taken after I had been watching serveral aircraft spraying one morning in the UAE. after a few hours the trails changed from horizontal to vertical postions in the sky as seen in these 2 pics.

It's not common to see any chem trails out here at all, usually perfect blue skies.