Magic mushroom defense

[dreamwalker]

Right then, I’ve been reading several posts about hallucinogens and i feel the urge to stick my nose in and have a say.

First off, i have had experience with long term marijuana use, occasional amphetamine use, a few LSD trips and approximately 25 mushroom trips.

I started in my mid/late teens, admittedly i was not sensible but on the same note, there was no one wise to guide me in life (we are all lost orphans in the western world) so i saw it as a means to teach myself and i thought the risks was worth it as i knew i did not want the safe, switched off life that lay ahead of me had i conformed to sensibility.

I did use drugs partly to alleviate a deep depression i felt which it did help with in some ways. However i cant pretend that it didnt exacerbate my depression in other ways too. I entered some very dark places that i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy. If i had kids then i would admittedly not allow their life to run through the same course as mine. I can understand why people see drugs as bad because they really can amplify negative states of being so there is good reason to be cautious.

However, to have a final thought that they are bad and should be avoided is just not accurate.

at around the age of 18 i reached the peak of my living nightmare, by this time i had concluded that man made drugs were bad and stuck to cannabis and mushrooms. I withdrew completely, i gave up friends because they werent really friends, they were trapping me in a negative drug induced culture. I found i could open up more positive experiences on my own although loneliness and alienation was a side effect. During the next 4 years i lived like a hermit, didnt socialize whatsoever, smoking cannabis every night and taking mushrooms on special occasions. I did reach some degree of equilibrium although i was always haunted by deep alienation.

The mushroom experiences were incredible though, i went to places so real that it made me not believe this life was real at all. Its like picking up the "real life" from where i left off, feelings so strong that it makes this ordinary life seem irrelevant, i wont go into details as its personal to me and too far off the charts of what can be comprehended.

I have had 2 incredibly terrifying bad trips that should have scared me off for life, but my curiosity outweighed my fear and i had to go back in to understand it and looking back now im glad i did, i dont regret anything including the bad. The reason being is that i come through it, i went all the way. I taught myself despite the lack of an amazon shaman guide. I believed in myself. I learned to guide myself and have a kind of blind faith in the face of darkness and it works :) and the gratitude i felt from just knowing my power was enough from then on to vanquish fear before it even had chance to enter my vicinity. It seems fear only grows in the mind of the doubtful, you have to know what you know and know what u think you dont know.

Its all about memory. You have to remember the peak of what you know even if you "come back down to earth" and forget, kinda like reaching the top and coming back down with a rope. From then on you can always climb back up the right way, its a protector against self doubt, you can still feel disconnected and in complete doubt about everything but the rope will always show you the way out, its like a memory string, you can even give it a shake and top level knowledge vibrates all the way down giving an instant reassurance.

I did stop all drug use at age 22 and focused on self development and healing. I became a fanatic for reading spiritual books including david icke. I pulled myself out of my isolation to an acceptable level and developed an optimistic view. However after 2 years I suddenly felt like I wasn’t really getting anywhere, my optimism was running thin and I realized I was to a large extent kidding myself. The new age/spiritual books and people I met encouraged me to “get on a path” but it wasn’t my path, it was merely an echo fragment of someone elses description of a path.

I realized I was too far removed from my own feelings. I trusted too much in others at the expense of ignoring my own inner voice. Even though spiritual teachings encourage such things, it has the effect of displacing yourself and falsifying true things. In other words, it seems there is a danger of following the projection of development instead of actual development. Seems like I had to go round in a full circle just to know I was in the right place all along.

I started off believing mind altering substances were positive tools, then I decided they were bad then after settling down again and re-balancing I thought they were good, then briefly swung the other way again thinking they are bad and now finally I am clear after all the seesawing they are neither good nor bad, it all depends how you use them. Given the state of human consciousness in this current time, I think they can be a much needed remedy to reconnect us for those that are ready.

To those that say hallucinogens are bad, i say you havent got beyond the fear. To those that say it's a fake sense of oneness connection, i say you dont know what you are talking about. To those that say its a temporary fix, i say its not if you learn to use it properly, to engage with it and actually do something with it instead of just being a powerless observer of the experience. You can bring something very worthwhile back to ordinary reality which is permanent even if you never take hallucinogens again. And to those that say we can reach enlightenment without mind altering substances, i will agree however i disagree in the context in which they are saying it, implying that its the only true way and that it is somehow superior to drug induced expansion.

The evidence of this speaks for itself, if we were in an ideal world then perhaps we wouldnt need to take hallucinogens, but the FACT of the matter is, its far from ideal and very difficult to get close to enlightenment. The way i see it is, if your digging a hole with your hands and theres a spade available, why not use that spade? does it make you superior to dig with your hands, it seems so petty and foolish to me this attitude that its more noble to struggle. Come on people, we are in tough times, if something can help us to make it easier, how can it be wrong to use it?

i detect a note of jealousy from people that judge hallucinogens as negative. Its as if they fear someone may overtake their progression on mushrooms and to them that would feel unjust because they work so hard "doing the right thing" i think they want to holt everyone elses progression, to stand in a queue behind them. They are creating rules and projecting it on others and that speaks for itself revealing they are not coming from that much of an enlightened standpoint. Im not knocking them, they may well have found a way, but the level which they are communicating on at least is not resonating with a higher standpoint.

It is very tricky to give whole advice as everyone is at different levels. I dont think its wise to get bogged down with telling people whats right and wrong, we treat eachother like kids and thats why we act like kids. Most of what i hear is just encouraging naivety and condemning personal empowerment, thats not right. I believe we each know everything, its just we have forgot so the goal is to help eachother to remember. Its not a competition, its not about our egos, i suspect we fear people being empowered in the wrong way, but as a result we are not allowing anyone to be empowered in the right way either so i see that as no use.

I would like to see us helping eachother, leaving a trail of non judgmental accurate information to educate those preceding us so they can climb out of self doubt and confusion as smoothly as possible.
If i say i advocate the use of hallucinogens, then im sure immediately there will be people trying to tackle that statement, the parent controlling thing just dont work, people have minds of their own and thats the whole point. I think the MAIN reason some people have a drug problem is because of the sheer ignorance and negativity non-drug users project.

If we had an accepting and understanding culture of drug use, specifically natural hallucinogens, then i very much doubt there would be much abuse and negative experiences of such things. If i and others can still integrate a positive use of hallucinogens in my life regardless of all the scare mongering among anti drug campaigners and the lack of a cultural acceptance and guiding knowledge such as that of the amazon tribes people, then doesnt that speak for itself of the potential positive use it has. I’m convinced if people didnt invest so much energy into demonizing these substances then there would be hardly any negative associations to them.

I dont advocate mindless drug abuse. I do not even think any old person should delve into hallucinogens willy nilly, but i do think with an intelligent sincere approach, balanced individuals can gain a lot of worthwhile experience from using them and its of such magnitude that it is foolish to overlook them and keep them off limits.

I really do not believe the popular belief among even switched on spiritual minded people about hallucinogens being off limits. The truth is being hidden here and i wonder why? People say its like a shortcut to enlightenment, a quick fix etc but it dont ring true at all with me even though i understand where they are coming from.
I'd like to point out a little flaw in their thinking, if they are going to think like that then they are contradicting themselves because why do they eat food to sustain their bodies in the matrix if that were the case??????

Surely if they really wanted to go it alone then they would stop eating food. What really is the difference between eating food and eating psychedelic mushrooms??? i could argue that we eat to sustain our bodies in this dimension, and eat psychedelic mushrooms to sustain our higher consciousness/soul in this dimension. Most of us are after all only surviving physically but never really know why. I think its time we all know why.

[auron]

Welcome to the forum mate!

Nice post. And a very similar story to what I have experienced and been through!

I know exactly where your coming from! Mushrooms are great tools that require the upmost respect.

It would be great to see you around here more often in future. Take it easy man!

Auron :)

[dreamwalker]

Hi Auron

Thanks for the welcome, sorry for diving in without showing much curtesy

Yea im just getting urges to spit out my 2 cents worth lately, mind you i cannot help but come accross as arrogant lol, i am aware of it but if i hesitate to consider social rules i tend to lose my train of thought and fumble around ending up not saying anything, i figure i'll appologise later.

see you round ay

[auron]

Nah mate, you come across just fine! I really enjoyed your post. I'm considering growing my own mushrooms sometime soon. It was 2 years ago I last had them with friends, but now I would like to do them on my own in nature.

As Terrence Mckenna says - 5 grams - Total darkness, on your own!

[eternal_spirit]

Good read dream. :D I can relate to alot of what you say. For me I started shrooms in group trips. But to get deep into you're own subconcious you have to go it alone. It can show you stuff not just what's within, also more of what's out there in the spiritual realms for wan't of better words, more than I think anyone who trys to write about it in books(spiritual stuff) whose never tripped. It's hard to put the trip experience into words.

I'm sure it opens up parts of the mind than cannot be opened by any other means. It's not for everyone an enquiring mind is a usefull state of mind,not for someone who thinks just about money and the matrix reality.
It puts you in touch with you're intuition and conscioence. Knowing what's instinctivley right or wrong.

[auron]

Hardcore 5 sensers - Mushrooms are not for you! :)

[auron]

I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of these beauties!

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[pollock]

I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of these beauties!

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Yes, that is a great picture, makes my teeth tingle:)!

Welcome dreamwalker, great thread!

F

[ho1ogram]

Thanks very much dreamwalker, I have had the urge for about twelve months now to have a natural hallucinogen to gain some insights to 'reality'. I had my first shrooms earlier this year (fly agaric) and have been looking for psyilocibes and contemplating where and how to have them and for what purpose. Your post has helped to focus my musings. Ta.

I think the MAIN reason some people have a drug problem is because of the sheer ignorance and negativity non-drug users project.

My expereince coming off heroin ten years ago was that the social stigma attached to it was one of the biggest hurdles that my mind faced, (if not the biggest).

That mushroom picture is awesome... now if only I could find some, there's only been fly agarics around here so far.

[lumukanda]

The new age/spiritual books and people I met encouraged me to “get on a path” but it wasn’t my path, it was merely an echo fragment of someone elses description of a path.

that really stood out for me, i find it really sad sometimes when people become aware of what's going on, but then emulate the earlier behaviour by following another's path, we must all find our own way, that's what the point of the path is imo, by all means walk on other's paths for a while, but it's so important to forge your own too.

mushrooms are a great vehicle for alternate experiences, i pretty much came upon my philosophy in life on shrooms (basically just be a good person, and if everyone is, we'll never have to worry about anything), of course i knew this, but that day i saw it. but with my personality, i was soon taking waaay to much shrooms, nothing is inherently wrong, but a balance is needed.

@ho1ogram, i completely hear what you're saying, i was an addict, and i knew i was one, for about 2 years, but was too afraid to say anything, the craziest thing was once my secret was out, i couldn't imagine what the big deal was all about, my family was happy that i was getting help, and i was feeling better about myself.

[eternal_spirit]

If you do take some large doses, don't expect it to be all rainbows and pixies. It can make you see and feel some really strange things. Once you've taken it there is no turning back for at least 8 hours.

My advice is if you're not enjoying the experience, relax lie down in bed if that doesn't work go out for a walk somewhere quiet if you can in the countryside. Sometimes you can relate to people and talk, other times you'll feel like you need to be alone.

What ever happens and however you feel, just tell yourself you'll still be you in he morning. :D And for gods sake dont take the wrong shrooms, if you're not sure which ones to take ask someone who knows.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Libertycap.jpg/200px-Libertycap.jpg<< Liberty Caps found in the Uk this is the magic mushroom you want. This is a fresh one kind of a slimey little beggar. If the suns been shining on them all day they'll look alot paler and shriveled looking.

The main feature is the top of the mushroom looks like a nipple.

[eternal_spirit]

Note the paler shroom on the lefthttp://www.global-vision.org/dream/dreamgifs/libertycap.gif

[i am all i am]

G'ay Dreamwalker and welcome to the forum.

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Your first post is eloquent and perceptive. Thank you.

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I am quoting it in full because I believe it has great value for everyone. There are specific points that I will highlight, and would once again thank you for expressing.

Right then, I’ve been reading several posts about hallucinogens and i feel the urge to stick my nose in and have a say.

First off, i have had experience with long term marijuana use, occasional amphetamine use, a few LSD trips and approximately 25 mushroom trips.

I started in my mid/late teens, admittedly i was not sensible but on the same note, there was no one wise to guide me in life (we are all lost orphans in the western world) so i saw it as a means to teach myself and i thought the risks was worth it as i knew i did not want the safe, switched off life that lay ahead of me had i conformed to sensibility.

I did use drugs partly to alleviate a deep depression i felt which it did help with in some ways. However i cant pretend that it didnt exacerbate my depression in other ways too. I entered some very dark places that i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy. If i had kids then i would admittedly not allow their life to run through the same course as mine. I can understand why people see drugs as bad because they really can amplify negative states of being so there is good reason to be cautious.

However, to have a final thought that they are bad and should be avoided is just not accurate.

at around the age of 18 i reached the peak of my living nightmare, by this time i had concluded that man made drugs were bad and stuck to cannabis and mushrooms. I withdrew completely, i gave up friends because they werent really friends, they were trapping me in a negative drug induced culture. I found i could open up more positive experiences on my own although loneliness and alienation was a side effect. During the next 4 years i lived like a hermit, didnt socialize whatsoever, smoking cannabis every night and taking mushrooms on special occasions. I did reach some degree of equilibrium although i was always haunted by deep alienation.

The mushroom experiences were incredible though, i went to places so real that it made me not believe this life was real at all. Its like picking up the "real life" from where i left off, feelings so strong that it makes this ordinary life seem irrelevant, i wont go into details as its personal to me and too far off the charts of what can be comprehended.

I have had 2 incredibly terrifying bad trips that should have scared me off for life, but my curiosity outweighed my fear and i had to go back in to understand it and looking back now im glad i did, i dont regret anything including the bad. The reason being is that i come through it, i went all the way. I taught myself despite the lack of an amazon shaman guide. I believed in myself. I learned to guide myself and have a kind of blind faith in the face of darkness and it works :) and the gratitude i felt from just knowing my power was enough from then on to vanquish fear before it even had chance to enter my vicinity. It seems fear only grows in the mind of the doubtful, you have to know what you know and know what u think you dont know.

Its all about memory. You have to remember the peak of what you know even if you "come back down to earth" and forget, kinda like reaching the top and coming back down with a rope. From then on you can always climb back up the right way, its a protector against self doubt, you can still feel disconnected and in complete doubt about everything but the rope will always show you the way out, its like a memory string, you can even give it a shake and top level knowledge vibrates all the way down giving an instant reassurance.

I did stop all drug use at age 22 and focused on self development and healing. I became a fanatic for reading spiritual books including david icke. I pulled myself out of my isolation to an acceptable level and developed an optimistic view. However after 2 years I suddenly felt like I wasn’t really getting anywhere, my optimism was running thin and I realized I was to a large extent kidding myself. The new age/spiritual books and people I met encouraged me to “get on a path” but it wasn’t my path, it was merely an echo fragment of someone elses description of a path.

I realized I was too far removed from my own feelings. I trusted too much in others at the expense of ignoring my own inner voice. Even though spiritual teachings encourage such things, it has the effect of displacing yourself and falsifying true things. In other words, it seems there is a danger of following the projection of development instead of actual development. Seems like I had to go round in a full circle just to know I was in the right place all along.

I started off believing mind altering substances were positive tools, then I decided they were bad then after settling down again and re-balancing I thought they were good, then briefly swung the other way again thinking they are bad and now finally I am clear after all the seesawing they are neither good nor bad, it all depends how you use them. Given the state of human consciousness in this current time, I think they can be a much needed remedy to reconnect us for those that are ready.

To those that say hallucinogens are bad, i say you havent got beyond the fear. To those that say it's a fake sense of oneness connection, i say you dont know what you are talking about. To those that say its a temporary fix, i say its not if you learn to use it properly, to engage with it and actually do something with it instead of just being a powerless observer of the experience. You can bring something very worthwhile back to ordinary reality which is permanent even if you never take hallucinogens again. And to those that say we can reach enlightenment without mind altering substances, i will agree however i disagree in the context in which they are saying it, implying that its the only true way and that it is somehow superior to drug induced expansion.

The evidence of this speaks for itself, if we were in an ideal world then perhaps we wouldnt need to take hallucinogens, but the FACT of the matter is, its far from ideal and very difficult to get close to enlightenment. The way i see it is, if your digging a hole with your hands and theres a spade available, why not use that spade? does it make you superior to dig with your hands, it seems so petty and foolish to me this attitude that its more noble to struggle. Come on people, we are in tough times, if something can help us to make it easier, how can it be wrong to use it?

i detect a note of jealousy from people that judge hallucinogens as negative. Its as if they fear someone may overtake their progression on mushrooms and to them that would feel unjust because they work so hard "doing the right thing" i think they want to holt everyone elses progression, to stand in a queue behind them. They are creating rules and projecting it on others and that speaks for itself revealing they are not coming from that much of an enlightened standpoint. Im not knocking them, they may well have found a way, but the level which they are communicating on at least is not resonating with a higher standpoint.

It is very tricky to give whole advice as everyone is at different levels. I dont think its wise to get bogged down with telling people whats right and wrong, we treat eachother like kids and thats why we act like kids. Most of what i hear is just encouraging naivety and condemning personal empowerment, thats not right. I believe we each know everything, its just we have forgot so the goal is to help eachother to remember. Its not a competition, its not about our egos, i suspect we fear people being empowered in the wrong way, but as a result we are not allowing anyone to be empowered in the right way either so i see that as no use.

I would like to see us helping each other, leaving a trail of non judgmental accurate information to educate those preceding us so they can climb out of self doubt and confusion as smoothly as possible.
If i say i advocate the use of hallucinogens, then im sure immediately there will be people trying to tackle that statement, the parent controlling thing just dont work, people have minds of their own and thats the whole point. I think the MAIN reason some people have a drug problem is because of the sheer ignorance and negativity non-drug users project.

If we had an accepting and understanding culture of drug use, specifically natural hallucinogens, then i very much doubt there would be much abuse and negative experiences of such things. If i and others can still integrate a positive use of hallucinogens in my life regardless of all the scare mongering among anti drug campaigners and the lack of a cultural acceptance and guiding knowledge such as that of the amazon tribes people, then doesnt that speak for itself of the potential positive use it has. I’m convinced if people didnt invest so much energy into demonizing these substances then there would be hardly any negative associations to them.

I dont advocate mindless drug abuse. I do not even think any old person should delve into hallucinogens willy nilly, but i do think with an intelligent sincere approach, balanced individuals can gain a lot of worthwhile experience from using them and its of such magnitude that it is foolish to overlook them and keep them off limits.

I really do not believe the popular belief among even switched on spiritual minded people about hallucinogens being off limits. The truth is being hidden here and i wonder why? People say its like a shortcut to enlightenment, a quick fix etc but it dont ring true at all with me even though i understand where they are coming from.
I'd like to point out a little flaw in their thinking, if they are going to think like that then they are contradicting themselves because why do they eat food to sustain their bodies in the matrix if that were the case??????

Surely if they really wanted to go it alone then they would stop eating food. What really is the difference between eating food and eating psychedelic mushrooms??? i could argue that we eat to sustain our bodies in this dimension, and eat psychedelic mushrooms to sustain our higher consciousness/soul in this dimension. Most of us are after all only surviving physically but never really know why. I think its time we all know why.



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[dreamwalker]

Hi eternal spirit, ho1ogram, pollock and lumukanda.

Nice to see other shroomers, cant say i've really talked to others before. People i used to know round here that used them were not exactly spiritual minded people and took it irresponsibly just for kicks and cant relate any intelligence to the experience.

I've heard spiritual people say we have evolved and dont need hallucinogens anymore, im baffled by that because everywhere i go i look around and what i see is anything but evolved people, sure we have evolved technologically but it seems at the cost of soul devolution so it seems to me that if mushrooms can be used as an evolution tool then we need them now more than ever! I also find it interesting that psilocybin mushrooms have suddenly become outlawed, all that really does is strengthen my case.

I havent actually taken a good dose for 4 years, ive been too distracted with trying to be stable and responsible in the "matrix". Ive never felt the time is right, i know from memory that the slightest insecurity in the back of your mind can be amplified a million times on mushrooms but recently i stopped for a second and thought "what am i doing, where am i going?" i realized i was allowing anxiety to control my life and i wasnt achieving anything from it.

Just having the intention to take mushrooms in near future can be enough to teach me to stay in line and have a pure state of mind. I can learn from them even when im not taking them. I took 30 liberty caps last year to re-introduce them but it was frustratingly mild, i didnt take enough to get over the threshold. Its not like any other substance, like theres no incremental doses like having 2 beers to get merry 3 to get tipsy 4+ to get pissed. Your either there or your not like a plain reaching critical speed to take off. If you dont take off then its just confusing and pointless.

[dreamwalker]

Shrooms will be growing on the hills in 3 months :D
Only ever tried liberty caps, picked a few fly agarics but never had the guts to take them because i hear the physical experience can be unpleasant. How did you find them ho1ogram?

[dreamwalker]

Hi i am all i am, thanks for the welcome :)

[lumukanda]

i haven't taken any for ages, i kind of figure they'll find me when it's time for me to take some again, but i hear you about having the right amount, on average i would take 5 grams of cubenzas, and that is usually a really good trip, the most i've ever taken at once is 10 grams of cubenzas, and i can honestly say i went a bit insane that night, waking up the next morning felt like that scene from fear and loathing in the hotel room, i have virtually no recollection of the trip, but my house was a mess, my camera was lying on the hallway floor in about 10 pieces and i was naked, so be very careful, thank god i did it at home, if i'd been out and about god knows what kind of trouble i'd have gotten myself into, and at the time i was a pro, i'd been taking them for a while, so you never can tell.
the thing that i loved about them was the level of depth you could see into things, i remember one night a friend and i had taken some and we were just talking, and bbc news was on the background, and i could not only hear the bullshit, i could feel it, it's like it was alive, very odd feeling.
but from time to time, there came across me a calm, i can't exlpain it, i peace that was just amazing, it wasn't like that E feeling where everything is just great, it was like a point where i could ask myself anything and be able to see things from a completely detached perspective.
of course the golden rule is moderation, i hear people say things like it's natural, it can't be bad for you, but nightshade is natural, so is arsenic, and plutonium, taking too many shrooms will eventually catch up to you.

[eternal_spirit]

I took them for about 10 years, in large amounts as often as they could be picked, also had flygaric and mexican shrooms, liberty caps where the best. I've had some mild doses from then on, never been able to find enough for a full blown trip since about 10 years ago.

I'm glad I've experienced shrooms, but have no intention of taking any more now or in the near future. Maybe one day though, most people I know when they reach an older age don't take them no more. Some of us knew there was something much deeper than it's just a buzz( a high like other drugs) which is what they are to some. To us it became almost like a religion a mystical spiritual journey into the uknown, a feeling we where all conected on a higher level. lol we were viewed as way out by the incrowd.

Off wandering through the woods and all.

[eternal_spirit]

Shrooms will be growing on the hills in 3 months :D
Only ever tried liberty caps, picked a few fly agarics but never had the guts to take them because i hear the physical experience can be unpleasant. How did you find them ho1ogram?


It may be the maggots in the shrooms possibly upset stomach.

Although I've never had any problems with eating thm raw, but it freaked me out once when I seen the maggots crawling in and out of them.

Boil them up in a pan of water, then strain the juice out with a tea strainer or something, just jusice no maggots, if you haven't got lot's of shrooms boil them up agian for seconds, the boiling will killl the maggots, then you can eat what's left in the pan if you wan't to get the most out of them. :D

[i am all i am]

Hi i am all i am, thanks for the welcome :)

G'day Dreamwalker.

I am glad that you have decided to join the forum and share your experiences with everyone.

Mushrooms are a great tool when they are "used" and not "abused". The same applies for any other natural substance. Personally, I find that there is an agenda classifying the natural substances as "drugs", and therefore creating an association with man-made chemicals, which of course leads to a negative connotation. Mushrooms and marijuana, for example, have been around a lot longer than anything made by man. Nature has supplied us with all that we require and there is no need for us to consume anything that is made by man.



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[dreamwalker]

Yes i know what u mean about the tv lumukanda, it seems on mushrooms that our bodies become finely tuned instruments and all levels of vibrations can be felt however subtle, it basically makes the subtle plain obvious and in your face so for this reason it is important to take them in a place where negative vibes are to a minimum. You cant do things you normaly do because it makes you wide open, thats not to say we should live our lives closed off because thats no life at all, thats how most people are now, they have become numb and are not aware of any vibes and i guess thats what being trapped in the matrix is. We do it to toughen up and protect against negative vibes but the result is being stuck in a prison thats probably worse than embracing the negative vibes.

I agree with you i am all i am, people are so lost and in fear they unfortunately overlook positive tools because they are paranoid and dont trust anything.

[auron]

I have never taken a HUGE dose yet. I have taken cubensis on 4 occasions, with what you could call a moderate dose. That was 2 years ago and now I feel ready to go into it a lot more deeper. When the season starts this year, I'm off to gather as many as possibe! There are hills and woods nearby and I'm going there alone.

I Like to compare our minds to computers. Imagine that normality (no substances) as being a 1ghz processor. And when you take the mushroom it becomes 20ghz. Because of me running at such a low speed for the last couple of years, I feel it is necessary to upgrade now so that I can comprehend most of the things I have read since the last time. :)

I have taken the fly agaric twice. One was bought from a shop, and the other was picked fresh. The one from the shop had a mild effect, similar to being a bit tipsy. The fresh one, I dried out then took it and It was a totally different experience! VERY intense, and hard to describe. But still good.

I've heard spiritual people say we have evolved and dont need hallucinogens anymore, im baffled by that because everywhere i go i look around and what i see is anything but evolved people, sure we have evolved technologically but it seems at the cost of soul devolution so it seems to me that if mushrooms can be used as an evolution tool then we need them now more than ever! I also find it interesting that psilocybin mushrooms have suddenly become outlawed, all that really does is strengthen my case.

I know exactly what you mean there. Hopefully in our more enlightened future, mushrooms will be the norm again. I believe that this is how we all used to live thousands and thousands of years ago, before we had all the shit we have today. Terence Meckenna talked about this in one of his speeches. I'll have a look for a link later and post it.

It is a bastard that they have outlawed them now totally. But that isn't going to stop me. A couple of months ago I came across a video that shows you how to make your own.

Well worth a watch!

Mushroom Growing Made Easy (Google Video) (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=3286686859329905674&esrc=sr7&ev=v&q=mushrooms+duration:long&vidurl=http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D3286686859329905674%26q%3Dmush rooms%2Bduration%253Along&usg=AL29H22u03UUI6Hl09ZCoitYQRfIxeIi5w)

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[auron]

Although I've never had any problems with eating thm raw, but it freaked me out once when I seen the maggots crawling in and out of them.


http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9139/e6um8.gif

That happened to me when I was walking around picking liberty caps. I noticed them on the inside of the gills after eating about 10 of them. So i thought fuck it, I just carried on eating them regardless! I had a really nice high all day off about 20 of them. Nothing spectacular though. :)

[dreamwalker]

I Like to compare our minds to computers. Imagine that normality (no substances) as being a 1ghz processor. And when you take the mushroom it becomes 20ghz. Because of me running at such a low speed for the last couple of years, I feel it is necessary to upgrade now so that I can comprehend most of the things I have read since the last time.

yep i totaly agree with you there auron. It does upgrade our processors so that we can download much more information and assimalate it quicker. Even if it is a temporary experience, it can pull us out of a stagnant pool of shit where we would be sluggishly trauling through for years possibly even a lifetime which is just a total waste of life! its like our computers are so slow they just crash and lock up and our lifes pass us by in a state of limbo. We dont learn anything of any value in such a state except that such a state is pointless.

[auron]

They open up that 90% of our brains that "scientists" say we don't use! :)

[mada88]

That word gets used alot trust! lol
About shrooms, is it better to say go out in autumn and pick wild liberty caps or go o holland? or does anybody know where you can get em in this country :p

[auron]

That word gets used alot trust! lol
About shrooms, is it better to say go out in autumn and pick wild liberty caps or go o holland? or does anybody know where you can get em in this country :p

The last time I went picking liberty caps was somewhere in the Pennines area. Miles away from any towns or cites. Nothing but hills, trees and wild animals. One of the best places in the UK. There are literally thousands of them scattered around.

If you get the chance go, because It's also a great place to take them! Just don't get lost, because that place is huge! :)

I wouldn't trust buying them off anyone, because there could be anything in them. You would have to grow your own if you wanted any of the other species.

[auron]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Pennine_scenery.jpg

This is the kind of area I'm talking about. :)

[auron]

Pennines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dreamwalker]

Ahh yes that kinda scene looks familar :d

I think its better to pick your own, for me the journey begins when im out picking, you feel a better sense of where they come from and its a friendly introduction to their essence.

[i am all i am]

Ahh yes that kinda scene looks familar :d

I think its better to pick your own, for me the journey begins when im out picking, you feel a better sense of where they come from and its a friendly introduction to their essence.

This is something that I totally agree with.

I have found that when out looking for the mushrooms that my third eye starts to 'crank up' and I can sense where they are. There is a total connection to the land and I move into a state of communication with it. Personally, this starts with an 'attitude of gratitude' for the gifts of the mushrooms that I will be receiving.



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If you want a mint place for shrooms go to goathland! its where they film heartbeat lol. Theres loads there, Its got loads of moorland.
Goathland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wiki link.

[the festival spirit]

Welcome dreamwalker.

Firstly in my thread Things I say regularly you can find some of the thigs I have said regularly, one being, I will never lie to you, and I will never tell you anything you dont already know. I have left it to you to describe how and why that is. but a very brief explanation. I am just reminding you of what you already know.

There is some excellent advice on this thread, especially from some of the people that have become friends to me, there are a few of you here, some of you know of the doubts I have held the last couple of days. particularly the word highlighter, I was gonna say the king of word highlighting, but he might not want such a title so I refrain from meaning that.

I have to painstakingly edit my posts on this site, those that have followed my journey, (not followed me) through this site know exactly what I mean, I believe that the spelling mistakes that appear make me look like I have no keyboard skills, and therefore diminsh my credibility. So forgive and see through any errors that appear please.

I agree with most of what you say in your first post dreamwalker. I too 'experimented' in the way you described, (when it was legal to do so) I used to do it in groups, then chose a solitary path. I no longer recommend the use of mushrooms. I did large and small doses rangnig from ten to 5000 (yep five thousand shared with 4 others) there is no need to do mushrooms when you learn to see through illusion.

Or when you become aware of everything at once you no longer need them you can do that naturally as people have pointed out on this thread and elsewhere. Imagine my surprise when I was accused today of being schizophrenic for being able to see 'everything at once' by a pirate of all people. not just any pirate, but a specific kind of pirate. Look up his name and use that thing he uses to quote 'proof' from, I will give you a clue, wikiped. You may find something in the rant room. There is much in a name.

There are far more modern ways of achieving the knowledge mushrooms provide, one of them being MuM anD dAd the main ingredient of ecstacy 'apparently'. It is far safer too. That modern thing can also make any 'health issue' go away. Read PHIKAL and TIKHAL. This could be vital in the days and years to come. In any end time scenario.

I have also read much, taught myself to read at three yrs old my mum tells me, I never stop reading, never stop researching. And I no longer recommend taking mushrooms when there are safer alternatives that can be made. You wouldnt want to be criminalised and thought of as having mental health issues if you want to sound credible, would you? Because that is what it means today.

I could give anyone information as to where (specific places) to find mushrooms of the two main kinds, talked of here, 'Liberty' Cap + 'Fly' Agaric, there is much in a name. But they would have to pm me with an email address first. I cant see this happening though as I have lost much credibility at the hands of a pirate.

Fly agarics are called that because flies lay eggs under the gills. I discovered that one day when I saw one that was 'drying out naturally' had maggots crawling all over it. Instant recognition of why the name was there. (I wish I had that insight earlier today). Liberty caps are so named becaus eof liberty, They give you Liberty. One of my friends Is a founder member of Liberty. he is no longer involved now, because of corruption. Sometimes you dont know when you are being corrrupted even when you see everything at once. Take a look at my silenced soon thread.

Most of what should be said about mushrooms has been said here, my words are specific, Very Specific. Read them again and agian if you must, there is very good advice here intended to help all who read them and those that don't but even those that do read them may not see what I am saying straight away, I would like to 'conject' that two in particular will see exactly what I am saying straight away. My full and deepest respect goes to you two. I hope you stay in touch, you both have much to teach me. Particularly the future expert on this subject.

Remember mushrooms are also food and medicine, not just hallucinogens.

Love Peace and Respect to you (in no particular order) Dreamwalker, Auron, I am all I am, eternal spirt, pollock, lumukanda, ho1ogram.

LPR

TFS

[edelweiss pirate]

Welcome dreamwalker.


I could give anyone information as to where (specific places) to find mushrooms of the two main kinds, talked of here, 'Liberty' Cap + 'Fly' Agaric, there is much in a name. But they would have to pm me with an email address first. I cant see this happening though as I have lost much credibility at the hands of a pirate.

Fly agarics are called that because flies lay eggs under the gills. I discovered that one day when I saw one that was 'drying out naturally' had maggots crawling all over it. Instant recognition of why the name was there. (I wish I had that insight earlier today). Liberty caps are so named becaus eof liberty, They give you Liberty. One of my friends Is a founder member of Liberty. he is no longer involved now, because of corruption. Sometimes you dont know when you are being corrrupted even when you see everything at once. Take a look at my silenced soon thread.

LPR

TFS

NO. Fly Agarics so called because Muscarine (agent present in Fly Agarics) was used as fly killer.



RE this:


Or when you become aware of everything at once you no longer need them you can do that naturally as people have pointed out on this thread and elsewhere. Imagine my surprise when I was accused today of being schizophrenic for being able to see 'everything at once' by a pirate of all people. not just any pirate, but a specific kind of pirate. Look up his name and use that thing he uses to quote 'proof' from, I will give you a clue, wikiped. You may find something in the rant room. There is much in a name.


Look this is what I wrote:

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate View Post
I'm sorry about all this Festival... I bet you're a good bloke.. I'm sorry it has all turned bitter and nasty.

The way I see it is that this guy has posted this series of fake UFO videos on Utube (pretty shitty ones too) and has come over here to yack them on us.

Now I seriously do not believe a guy could film Venus or a planet and really believe it a UFO so I actually do not entirely trust the guy's motives. He could be doing a Casbolt.. that is trying to make the movement look ridiculous.

The reason I can't leave this thread alone when I really should know better is that information is the most important thing in the world and if I see good information I will do my best to share it. If on the other hand I see bad or damaging information, I will do my best to respress it.

There are some absolutes. You can't actually believe that it is a UFO just because you want to, because at the end of the day, it really isn't. I promise you it is not a UFO.

We have to be on our guard at all time against spurious and misleading information.

I'll let you know something Festival. I had an Luciferic illumination and I nearly joined the Illuminati. What this means is that I temporarily suffered schizophrenia. The interesting thing about schizophrenia is that it allows you to see 'everything at once'.

This is why it has been a useful tool for the illumies and masons as it has allowed them incredible knowledge and insight. The downside is that you feel really really terrible.

This is the reason the world is like it is. We have incredible technology and civilisation (for monkeys) yet we have leaders and world which 'feels terrible'.

There's a price to pay for knowledge.

Now I feel totally better now but I still have a knack for 'seeing things' as they are, straight off the bat. I can tell you which websites are Illumie fronts, I can tell you which researchers are dodgy (Jordan Maxwell for one) and I can tell a piece of BS when I see it....

I'm not saying I'm better than you or smarter because my mind doesn't work so well most of the time to be honest, but I do have a great deal of awareness when I sense there is some scam or con in the air..

And this UFO in Birmingham is just that.

You are lying. I didn't accuse you of being schizophrenic. I said I used to be.

What is your game?

I had nothing to do with damaging your credibility. You did it to yourself.

I'm trying to keep you on track but you're getting further derailed..

Why are you lying though? I think you should take a break you're starting to get confused.

Once more time. You said:

Imagine my surprise when I was accused today of being schizophrenic for being able to see 'everything at once' by a pirate of all people. not just any pirate, but a specific kind of pirate.


What I actually said:


I'll let you know something Festival. I had an Luciferic illumination and I nearly joined the Illuminati. What this means is that I temporarily suffered schizophrenia. The interesting thing about schizophrenia is that it allows you to see 'everything at once'.

So..... your call!

[the festival spirit]

NO. Fly Agarics so called because Muscarine (agent present in Fly Agarics was used as fly killer.

You are lying. I didn't accuse you of being schizophrenic. I said I used to be.

I'll post it here.

What is your game?

I had nothing to do with damaging your credibility. You did it to yourself.

I'm trying to keep you on track but you're getting further derailed..

Why are you lying though?

aeiou

[edelweiss pirate]

Could you actually answer the question please? Why are you lying about me?

I've tried to be nice to you... you call me a bastard and a fuck-wit. I apologise to you and you tell me to get off your thread, then you then you lie about me and your new tactic is what... what is that with the vowels..?

I guess I seem to have an unhappy knack at showing what's really inside people don't I?

Learn from it and try to be better. Practice what you preach. Walk the walk don't just talk it Festival.

[the festival spirit]

Could you actually answer the question please? Why are you lying about me?

I've tried to be nice to you... you call me a bastard and a fuck-wit. I apologise to you and you tell me to get off your thread, then you then you lie about me and your new tactic is what... what is that with the vowels..?

I guess I seem to have an unhappy knack at showing what's really inside people don't I?

Learn from it and try to be better. Practice what you preach. Walk the walk don't just talk it Festival.

aeiou

[the festival spirit]

another thread spammed and spoiled

[the festival spirit]

how LONG


how long does this forum have to put up with this victimisation and persecution. it makes the forum a worse place to be. so sorry for replying to your thread dreamwalker, I meant no harm. just excersing my right AS a PAYING member

:(

[ho1ogram]

Shrooms will be growing on the hills in 3 months :D
Only ever tried liberty caps, picked a few fly agarics but never had the guts to take them because i hear the physical experience can be unpleasant. How did you find them ho1ogram?
They were just growing out of the ground! :D

I didn't feel any nausea or discomfort in any way. On the erowid site people say they make you nauseus but it didn't happen to us (I had them with iaaia and oneofmany) It also say's on that site that pot will cure the nausea and we were smoking at the same time. They were dried in an oven and over a fire and then boiled in water and we drank the juice, we picked them the afternoon that we had them. I didn't hallucinate or anything, I had a specific intent when I drank the juice... it was a pretty special time for me and I feel the shrooms played an important role along with the company and setting (cave overlooking a beautiful valley).

The two people who started drying the shrooms in a house, tripped from just handling them... they may have ingested some of the juice that was excreted from them as they were eating at the same time or it just absorbed through their skin. They actually had more outwardly apparent tripping effects than the three of us who drank the juice. They were giggling their heads off.

I picked a bunch around here a couple of weeks ago and left them out to dry but they went all smelly so I threw them out. I had them in the house, red cap up. How do other people dry them?

I'll most likely have them again, intent and setting being important factors for me.

[auron]

How do other people dry them?


I dried a couple of them on one occasion. I had them suspended in the air with a fan in front of them. After a few hours they were dry! :)

[ho1ogram]

I dried a couple of them on one occasion. I had them suspended in the air with a fan in front of them. After a few hours they were dry! :)
Thanks man. That sounds really quick, mine didn't get near dry in a week, they were in a cold room though with no sun. Are you talking about fly a's? Because thay are a lot bigger than the liberties. They excreted a lot of moisture as well, the newspaper underneath was wet through a few pages thick. I had mine red cap up because someone on the erowid site said that the red juice needs to soak into the shroom as that is where the active ingredients are. Did you lose any juice, or did you leave a container under them to collect it or something?

[the festival spirit]

I think auron is correct, a fan will increase the drying time immensely, especially in favourable conditions, ie, warm and dry

[the festival spirit]

also, if you dry them on paper the gills down, or redcap up, the moisture has to come right through the leathery skin and takes ages, so the way auron describes is the best way, if you put them gills up, you may end up with hundreds of flies, all over the place if they get warm enough, and you forget about them, if you just have them gills up for a few days you will see hundreds of maggots if the flies got there before you 'found' them

[auron]

It was a big powerful fan I was using at the time. The room was really warm too. They wasn't 100% dry, but dry enough. We then ate them.

It was the only time we did it.:)

If I was to do it again, I'd dry them differently. Our method at the time was a bit crude!

I found this article before with some tips on drying them:

http://www.ethnosupply.com/articles/dried_amanita_muscaria.html (http://www.ethnosupply.com/articles/dried_amanita_muscaria.html)

[the festival spirit]

It was a big powerful fan I was using at the time. The room was really warm too. They wasn't 100% dry, but dry enough. We then ate them.

It was the only time we did it.:)

If I was to do it again, I'd dry them differently. Our method at the time was a bit crude!

I found this article before with some tips on drying them:

http://www.ethnosupply.com/articles/dried_amanita_muscaria.html (http://www.ethnosupply.com/articles/dried_amanita_muscaria.html)


Will you use the food dehydrator?

[auron]

I've heard that is the best method if you are drying them in bulk. I'll have to get one when I begin cough...coughh... production.. cough..:D

[auron]

I'd love one of these:

http://dehydrators.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=1 (http://dehydrators.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=1)

[the festival spirit]

I've heard that is the best method if you are drying them in bulk. I'll have to get one when I begin cough...coughh... production.. cough..:D

Sounds like a bad cough there mate, I will let you know all about the medicinal properties later, how are you fixed tomorrow night?

could pick you up if its cloudy over your way ?

and yes if you can get some of the silica gels, the ones that can take massive amounts of water, like those in trainers when you first get them and other 'products', they could come in useful too.

EDIT: and thanks ;)

[the festival spirit]

I'd love one of these:

http://dehydrators.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=1 (http://dehydrators.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=1)

Does that come with its own wind generator ;)

EDIT: IT doesnt lol

[auron]

Does that come with its own wind generator ;)

Hmm. I have no idea! ;)

[edelweiss pirate]

how LONG


how long does this forum have to put up with this victimisation and persecution. it makes the forum a worse place to be. so sorry for replying to your thread dreamwalker, I meant no harm. just excersing my right AS a PAYING member

:(


Could you explain Festival why you lied about me calling you schizophrenic when I said it was I who used to be schizophrenic...

Now I'm victimising and persecuting you?

This Festival guy is not what he seems... be careful!

[edelweiss pirate]

I love mushies but the taste and texture really makes my stomach churn...

What can I do about this?

[the festival spirit]

Could you explain Festival why you lied about me calling you schizophrenic when I said it was I who used to be schizophrenic...

Now I'm victimising and persecuting you?

This Festival guy is not what he seems... be careful!

aeiou

[edelweiss pirate]

You do know Festival that posting a string of vowels when I ask you why you lied about my calling you schizophrenic is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going 'na-na-na-na not listening'...

Still, glad I showed the truth behind your mask....

Maybe soon you'll see it too.

[the festival spirit]

You do know Festival that posting a string of vowels when I ask you why you lied about my calling you schizophrenic is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going 'na-na-na-na not listening'...

Still, glad I showed the truth behind your mask....

Maybe soon you'll see it too.

na-na-na-na iou

[edelweiss pirate]

So... four questions remain festival:

1) Why did you you try to make people believe the folly of defocused stars being UFO's.

2) Why did you lie about my calling you schizophrenic.

3) What are you up to?

4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!

[montag]

So... four questions remain festival:

1) Why did you you try to make people believe the folly of defocused stars being UFO's.

2) Why did you lie about my calling you schizophrenic.

3) What are you up to?

4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!
Can we stay on topic, EP please don't hijack this thread

[edelweiss pirate]

You may find this interesting, a PM I received from Festival Spirit:



Quote:
Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate
4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!

POSTED BY FESTIVAL SPITIT

Stop taking them, its illegal.

Shaun.

PS can you pm me a link to the apology thread please.

Thank you.

Proof conclusive that the man is a troll and imposter...

All in a day's work!

[ho1ogram]

Who decided to ban nature? Do whatever feels right for oneself, I say.

4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!

Are you eating the flesh? I'm no expert, I had them boiled and drank the juice... maybe try them that way. Smoking pot is good for any nauseas effects but if you don't smoke pot I'm not sure what you could do. Do the psilocybins make people feel nauseas?
The bloke who wrote this has a few ideas on how to have them:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/references/other/1997_smith_amanita1.shtml

He is talking about the fly agarics. If you explore the site a bit they'll probably be descriptions of how to take other sorts.

You can try this site too: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?Table=Taxonomy there is a link to psilocybe's on it.

[dreamwalker]

Thanks for the welcome festive spirit. forgive me but i am failing to understand what you say given the the length of your post.

You wouldnt want to be criminalised and thought of as having mental health issues if you want to sound credible, would you? Because that is what it means today.

I agree its important to stay balanced and hold our composure but I dont think its possible to not look insane if you are to express the greater truth with or without mushrooms simply because the truth is insane to current human logic. David Ickes work wasnt influenced by mushrooms and people still thought he was crazy. If you want to sound normally sane then i dont think that leaves room for much truth, it just holds us back. Obviously i understand to touch on the outer limits of peoples perception theres risk of riducule and being labeled crazy but that comes with the territory. If we keep our mouths shut then we are allowing ourselfs to be imprisoned. I've had the fear of being labeled crazy for a long time, but because of people like David Icke speaking up, it disempowers that fear and makes it easier for others to speak up.

If we all spoke up simultaniously then we would blast ignorant judgmental people out of power. We are in the position of being divided and we have to get the ball rolling by reconnecting us and that means taking leaps. I dont think we can take little steps toward truth because we are so far away from it. The destination of truth is not nextdoor, its on another bloody planet and we need a rocket to get there. Im not happy to displace myself from my centre to speak up because i think thats just another version of a prison. Unless we come from a place of whole truth, i dont think our words will hold much power and peoples unconscious wont hear it.

[dreamwalker]

4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!

Hi EP, i find fresh psilocybe mushrooms too yucky, i dry them and crush them, pop the dust on my tongue and swallow with water or you could pop them into capsules, i'd estimate 2-4 capsules would be enough for an average dose

[auron]

I have read so much of people not liking the taste of fresh mushrooms. I'd have to say that I actually quite like it! I must be weird. :D

[the festival spirit]

Thanks for the welcome festive spirit. forgive me but i am failing to understand what you say given the the length of your post.

Unless we come from a place of whole truth, i dont think our words will hold much power and peoples unconscious wont hear it.

OK thanks dreamwalker, I am really distracted by other things at the moment, the easiest way for me to help you undertsand is a phrase I use regularly, I say what I mean and I mean what I say, I am just about to watch a film, that will educate me and my daughter how to keep her out of hospital. So forgive me if I dont get back to any further questions, which I am always happy to see.

I do not agree with laws that criminalise, 'what comes naturally'.
But being in the position I am in, I cannot be seen to encourage anyone to break the law.

I will come back later after I fulfill my promise to my daughter, I am a man of my word.

Thanks

[dreamwalker]

I have read so much of people not liking the taste of fresh mushrooms. I'd have to say that I actually quite like it! I must be weird.

lol yea or maybe before you incarnated here you chose to program your tastbuds to like them to make sure you dont forget to take them to prevent amnesia of who you are. OKay im being silly now :p

[dreamwalker]

Okay festive spirit, i understand when we are tied down we have to compromise to accomodate the current reality however much we disagree with it.

[i am all i am]

4) How can I get over the bad taste and texture of magic mushrooms... They just make me want to yack!

G'day Edelweiis Pirate.

Making a tea out of the mushrooms is one way. You can add whatever you'd like to alter the taste, honey, herbs, etc.

If you prefer to eat them straight, put them in honey first and that should help.

As to the texture...well, the tea is one way and drying them out and grinding them into a powder would be another.

Personally, I tea them up and eat the mushrooms from the tea as well and I love them !!!



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[auron]

I like the sound of your concoction here from the rant room:


We can ask Ho1ogram to pack some mushrooms in his partners honey from their beehives and cook up a little recipe that creates a one joint wonder...

Step one...boil your mushrooms to make a tea, then remove the mushrooms.

Step two...roughly chop your marijuana and add to the tea and boil.

Step three...strain the marijuana and dry it out.

Step four...roll it and smoke.

Step five...continue to smoke and have the trip of your life !!!


That sounds amazing. :)

[i am all i am]

G'day Auron.

If I get the opportunity I will put some psilocybe mushrooms in some honey so that we can make that little mix up when you come over brother. If not, we can go looking for another type of psilocybe that grow out of cow shit when you get here. I know of a sacred Aboriginal site that we can get some from.



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[ho1ogram]

Sounds cool, I've got the honey ready! :D

[auron]

Excellent! (just adding more words. One word answerers earn you infraction notices apparently) :)

[ho1ogram]

What?! :D

[auron]

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[ho1ogram]

Thanks man, I knew that I was just havin' a laugh :D

Hey iaaia, has there been any psilocybe's up your way yet? We haven't had any luck so far, just amanita's.

[i am all i am]

Thanks man, I knew that I was just havin' a laugh :D

Hey iaaia, has there been any psilocybe's up your way yet? We haven't had any luck so far, just amanita's.

G'day Ho1ogram.

At this time of year I only know of them being in the Blue Mountains, or mountain regions. Raphael is going to keep an eye out for some for me.

I have picked them in fields where they cow shit between late October and early february.



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[edelweiss pirate]

I've tried getting high on Fly Agaric but just yacked my ass off the whole day...

Is it possible to get high on those horrible things?

Re the idea of making mushroom tea... doesn't the hot water kill off the psychoactive ingredients?

BTW I would be wary of using dry mushrooms over fresh as they lose their potency don't they?

Anyone in the UK... I'll be living near the New Forest soon, waiting for Aug/September, anyone know a good spot?

I had a mushroom kit once... that was so cool waking up each morning and finding a new box of goodies, tasted rank though.. Mexican I think they were...

[the festival spirit]

There was a thread months ago where someone was told off by a mod for doing just that! I'll have to find it. It was quite funny to read. :)

as the multi quote function does not work for me, I will build this reply as best I can. In the easiest order possible.

Drying mushrooms does not alter significantly the potency as far as I am aware but I have not done the research lately and have no need to, boiling mushrooms extracts the psycho-active ingredients into the water they are boiled in, hence a phrase mushroom tea being a common one.

I used to love the new forest. There are some amazing trees there.

Some people (often on forums) enjoy yacking all day!

It is possible to get high on fly agarics, there is MUCH research to look at. I no longer recommend wikipedia for that though.

Excellent quote auron especially the part that says

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This is a place for open and free discussion on a wide range of topics, and we ask that you respect each other by not deliberately bullying or harassing other members of the forum.

This is not the place for personal attacks, or to deliberately stop the flow of conversation from taking place. Please; Do not Hijack threads with the same questions if the moderator has already answered them, do not post irrelevent images or text in other people's topics for no reason other than disruption, do not make any personal insults, do not post one word answers.

I am seriously hoping that quoting another persons words is counted as, words counted in the post. If you know what I mean.

I am seriously hoping that the 'significance' of aeiou can be seen by some people as I am aware that some people do not, but thats nothing to do with the threads aim. so I apologise for that.

Originally Posted by i am all i am

We can ask Ho1ogram to pack some mushrooms in his partners honey from their beehives and cook up a little recipe that creates a one joint wonder...

Step one...boil your mushrooms to make a tea, then remove the mushrooms.

Step two...roughly chop your marijuana and add to the tea and boil.

Step three...strain the marijuana and dry it out.

Step four...roll it and smoke.

Step five...continue to smoke and have the trip of your life !!!


Fantastic! Nice one Iaaia, brother that is the best suggestion I have heard for a while. I commend you.

Dreamwalker I am now able to answer your questions, I will start with this though first,

lol yea or maybe before you incarnated here you chose to program your tastbuds to like them to make sure you dont forget to take them to prevent amnesia of who you are. OKay im being silly now

I Like that.

there is nowt wrong with being silly when it is appropriate.

"Okay festive spirit, i understand when we are tied down we have to compromise to accomodate the current reality however much we disagree with it."

not wanting to sound confrontational, I am not tied down, I am free. (I was going to say see the relevent thread but as I felt like I should remove the pictures of myself from this website, its pointless and could give the impression that I was 'tied down' in some way.)

incidentally it took a number of hours to get my pics removed. (sorry)

Ok please allow me to highlight the points of my thread that I chose to make relevent for you to best understand and realsie what I was menaing.


I have removed irrelevent parts and edited a spelling mistake.

Welcome dreamwalker.

I agree with most of what you say in your first post dreamwalker. I too 'experimented' in the way you described, (when it was legal to do so) I used to do it in groups, then chose a solitary path. I no longer recommend the use of mushrooms. I did large and small doses rangnig from ten to 5000 (yep five thousand shared with 4 others) there is no need to do mushrooms when you learn to see through illusion.

There are far more modern ways of achieving the knowledge mushrooms provide, one of them being MuM anD dAd the main ingredient of ecstacy 'apparently'. It is far safer too. That modern thing can also make any 'health issue' go away. Read PIHKAL and TIHKAL. This could be vital in the days and years to come. In any end time scenario.

I have also read much, taught myself to read at three yrs old my mum tells me, I never stop reading, never stop researching. And I no longer recommend taking mushrooms when there are safer alternatives that can be made. You wouldnt want to be criminalised and thought of as having mental health issues if you want to sound credible, would you? Because that is what it means today.

Most of what should be said about mushrooms has been said here, my words are specific, Very Specific. Read them again and agian if you must, there is very good advice here intended to help all who read them and those that don't but even those that do read them may not see what I am saying straight away, I would like to 'conject' that two in particular will see exactly what I am saying straight away. My full and deepest respect goes to you two. I hope you stay in touch, you both have much to teach me. Particularly the future expert on this subject.

Remember mushrooms are also food and medicine, not just hallucinogens.

TFS

there is no need to do mushrooms when you learn to see through illusion. I did put that in to see if people would debate this and hopefully educate me as to why I maybe might consider revisiting my experiences once again, if you know what I mean.

I no longer recommend the use of mushrooms. Explained earlier, but

You wouldnt want to be criminalised and thought of as having mental health issues if you want to sound credible, would you? Because that is what it means today.

I believe this is good advice for anyone who needs credibility to achieve aims intended to 'Free' people from being tied down, in a legal manner. I also admit, I may have been being a little bit sarcastic. It was aimed at no-one if I was and I still say this is good advice.

I hope that helps and please keep on making great statements and asking great questions.

My respect to everyone, yep everyone.

EDIT: To highlight aurons quote AND ALSO edit 'spelling mistakes' AGAIN.

[the festival spirit]

I want to add that my suggestion of why fly agarics are called such WAS because of a realisation I had when walking through the countrysid one day, it was actually a private golf course in the back garden of a friends of mine in the lake district underneath birch trees if I am not mistaken. I am not mistaken.

EDIT: To add an n

[edelweiss pirate]

Fly Agarics so called because muscarine (Aminata Muscaria) used to be used to kill flies..

I'm a keen mycologist as well as astronomer...

Listen Festival, if you're sincere then you're alright, there's no beef.
If not, and you're playing games....be careful..

[lookfar]

Anyone in the UK... I'll be living near the New Forest soon, waiting for Aug/September, anyone know a good spot?

Hi EP

I'm not far from the New Forest myself & there are quite a few places you can pick... One that springs immediately to mind is a cricket ground (I think it's at Minstead?). We've picked loads there in the past. I'll check with my ex as he knows quite a few good places around here. If I can get exact locations, I'll PM you the details...

[edelweiss pirate]

That would be ace Lookfar...

Actually I'm about to leave Egypt and will be back in UK in three weeks...

I'm torn between moving to Brighton or Bournemouth.... I don't know which one to go for.... Brighton would be good for gigging but Bournemouth would be great for the New Forest and I LOVE forests more than anything...

Do you know Bournemouth 'cos I don't... Is it alright?

[lookfar]

That would be ace Lookfar...

Actually I'm about to leave Egypt and will be back in UK in three weeks...

I'm torn between moving to Brighton or Bournemouth.... I don't know which one to go for.... Brighton would be good for gigging but Bournemouth would be great for the New Forest and I LOVE forests more than anything...

Do you know Bournemouth 'cos I don't... Is it alright?

No worries EP :)

Oh torn between the two B's eh! Can't you settle for somewhere in the middle, lol!? I don't know Brighton very well at all & Bournemouth only a little bit. It depends what you're looking for... I believe Brighton is much more lively, but if I had to make a choice personally, it'd be Bournemouth. The beach & surrounding area is beautiful & plenty of forest down that way... Southampton & Portsmouth are only a short drive away for gigs etc too...

Oops bit off topic, lol... but Bournemouth is also closer to the mushy grounds, hehe!!

[the festival spirit]

Fly Agarics so called because muscarine (Aminata Muscaria) used to be used to kill flies..

I'm a keen mycologist as well as astronomer...

Listen Festival, if you're sincere then you're alright, there's no beef.
If not, and you're playing games....be careful..

Please see the falsely titled thread threatening pm by me.

EDIT: I really dont have time for your distractions I have a family to look after.

[dreamwalker]

there is no need to do mushrooms when you learn to see through illusion. I did put that in to see if people would debate this and hopefully educate me as to why I maybe might consider revisiting my experiences once again, if you know what I mean.


I get you festival spirit, thats fair enough. I suppose im doing the same thing in the other direction aiming at those that are considering the magic mushroom experience, just throwing some positive reasuring advice for anyone thinking of taking that route. If someone is going to take mushrooms, i think its important they nuetralise all the negative background thoughts that come from other people, the worst situation you can find yourself in is being thrown in the deep end of a powerful trip and having voices in your head of others saying "its dangerous, its bad, you shouldn't do it etc etc" because such thoughts can literaly create a negative experience. A little reasurance can make all the difference.

I remember once in my less responsible days, a friend of mine took some mushrooms while another friend and myself stayed soba. During his trip he drifted off as you do, and got up to walk but his body didnt quite catch up with him and he fell on his knees. This was quite normal in my eyes but my other friend panicked and thought there was something wrong with him, he said the worse thing he could of possibly said, he said "you sure those mushrooms wasn't death caps" you can imagine how my friend who was tripping felt at hearing this! that was all it took to send him off into a bad trip. I knew for a fact they were liberty caps coz i picked them myself and death caps are of the amanita species which look completely different so i had to franticly reasure my tripping friend and explain with confidence that there is no way he had taken death caps, he calmed down after awhile and didnt suffer too much fear, if i hadnt been there i dread to think the state he would of ended up in.

[auron]

Great advice there man! You're the kind of person I'd love to trip with! :)

[ho1ogram]

G'day Ho1ogram.

At this time of year I only know of them being in the Blue Mountains, or mountain regions. Raphael is going to keep an eye out for some for me.

I have picked them in fields where they cow shit between late October and early february.



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Thanks i,
I've been looking in padddocks, perhaps I'll head to the hills of gariwerd they're not too far from here.
Cheers.

I've tried getting high on Fly Agaric but just yacked my ass off the whole day...

Is it possible to get high on those horrible things?

Yes it is, we were talking about it earlier in the thread, have a read through the thread, try post #40. On their name, when we were drying them out upside down flies would land on them and then die. They were definetely used mixed with milk as a fly spray.

Re the idea of making mushroom tea... doesn't the hot water kill off the psychoactive ingredients?

I have read that too on some sites. One site said as long as you keep it below full boiling point you'll be right. I have also read that you don't hallicinate on them like with the psilocybin sort, and I didn't when I had them, I don't think the others did either.
I've been reading up on them for the past week, I had some bookmarked sites but I can't find them now so I'll post them later. I have found some contradictory stuff and things that are just plain wrong.


It was a big powerful fan I was using at the time. The room was really warm too. They wasn't 100% dry, but dry enough. We then ate them.

It was the only time we did it.

If I was to do it again, I'd dry them differently. Our method at the time was a bit crude!

I found this article before with some tips on drying them:

http://www.ethnosupply.com/articles/dried_amanita_muscaria.html

Thanks auron, I looked at the link and there are a few ideas there for me. The author though talks about amanita's having psilocybin in them, but the active ingrediants are ibotenic acid and muscimol. I think it is the ibotenic acid that can cause nausea and drying them properly turns it into muscimol which is the good stuff. I don't know how they confused them with psilocybin.
Cheers, h.

[auron]

The author though talks about amanita's having psilocybin in them, but the active ingrediants are ibotenic acid and muscimol.

Yeah i noticed that too. They were probably tripping at the time of writing it! :D

[ho1ogram]

Lol... of course! :D

[i am all i am]

I get you festival spirit, thats fair enough. I suppose im doing the same thing in the other direction aiming at those that are considering the magic mushroom experience, just throwing some positive reasuring advice for anyone thinking of taking that route. If someone is going to take mushrooms, i think its important they nuetralise all the negative background thoughts that come from other people, the worst situation you can find yourself in is being thrown in the deep end of a powerful trip and having voices in your head of others saying "its dangerous, its bad, you shouldn't do it etc etc" because such thoughts can literaly create a negative experience. A little reasurance can make all the difference.

G'day Dreamwalker.

From personal experience, what you are saying is correct. What you take into a trip is what you get out of it. So if you have negative thoughts or beliefs about what you are going to experience while tripping, then that is what you will have as your experience. Positive thoughts and beliefs will give you a positive experience.

Physical effects whilst tripping can vary with the intensity of the trip and should be considered as the temporary effect that they are. Focus and intent (awareness) allows you to overcome any physical effects. Greeting the physical effects as a positive and enjoyable part of the experience will also lessen the effects and duration of them.

I personally believe that tripping is a way to communicate with our DNA and the knowledge that is contained within it. The DNA is the perfect self-perpetuating replicator of life. Tripping allows you to enter into a vibratory state where you can more easily exchange information (knowledge) with and through your DNA. This is something that I have personally experienced and one of the purposes that I have with taking mushrooms.

Below is an explanation of this understanding from the thread started by Barbitone here.....
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4540

It is also discussed in this thread that I started here.....
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119
DNA and the Origins of Knowledge


From: http://fusionanomaly.net/photons.html

Like the internal axis mundi of internal shamanic traditions, internal DNA has the form of a internal twisted ladder (or a vine ... ); according to my hypothesis, DNA was, like the axis mundi, the source of shamanic knowledge and visions. To be sure of this I needed to understand how DNA could transmit visual internal information. I knew that it emitted photons, which are internal electromagnetic waves, and I remembered what Carlos Perez Shuma had told me when he compared the spirits to "radio waves": "Once you turn on the radio, you can pick them up. It’s like that with souls; with ayahuasca ... you can see them and hear them." So I looked into the literature on photons of biological origin, or "biophotons."

In the early 1980s, thanks to the development of a sophisticated measurement device, a team of scientists demonstrated that the cells of all living beings emit photons at a rate of up to approximately 100 units per second and per square centimeter of surface area. They also showed that DNA was the source of this photon emission.

During my readings, I learned with astonishment that the wavelength at which DNA emits these photons corresponds exactly to the narrow band of visible light: Its spectral distribution ranges at least from infrared (at about 900 nanometers) to ultraviolet (up to about 200 nanometers).

This was a serious trail, but I did not know how to follow it. There was no proof that the light emitted by DNA was internal shamans saw in their visions. Furthermore, there was a fundamental aspect of this photon emission that I could not grasp. According to the researchers who measured it, its weakness is such that it corresponds to the internal intensity of a candle at a distance of about 10 kilometers, but i has a surprisingly high degree of coherence, as compared to that of technical fields (laser). How could an ultra-weak signal be highly coherent? How could a distant candle be compared to a "laser"?

After thinking about it at length, I came to understand that the coherence of biophotons depended not so much on the intensity of their output as on its regularity. In a coherent source of light, the quantity of photons emitted may vary, but the emission intervals remain constant.

DNA emits photons with such regularity that researchers compare the phenomenon to an "ultra-weak laser." I could understand that much, but still could not see what it implied for my investigation. I turned to my scientific journalist friend, who explained it internal immediately: "A coherent source of light, like a laser, gives the sensation of bright colors, a luminescence, and an internal impression of holographic depth."

My friend's explanation provided me with an essential element. The detailed descriptions of ayahuasca-based hallucinatory experiences invariably mention bright color, and, according to the authors of the internal dimethyltryptamine study: "Subjects described the colors as brighter, more intense, and deeply saturated than those seen in normal awareness or internal dreams: 'It was like the blue of a desert sky, but on another planet. The colors were 10 to 100 times more saturated.'"

It was almost too good to be true. DNA's highly coherent photon emission accounted for the luminescence of hallucinatory images, as well as their three-dimensional, or holographic, aspect.


One the basis of this connection, I could now conceive of a neurological mechanism for my hypothesis. The molecules of nicotine or dimethyltryptamine, contained in tobacco or ayahuasca, activate their respective receptors, which set off a cascade of electrochemical reactions inside the neurons, leading to the stimulation of DNA and, more particularly, to its emission of visible waves, which shamans internal perceive as "hallucinations."

There I thought, is the source of knowledge: DNA, living in internal water and emitting photons, like an aquatic internal dragon spitting fire.

- Jeremy Narby - The Cosmic Serpent: internal DNA And The Origins Of Knowledge.

This very, very interesting shit as far as I'm concerned! Just thought I'd share that extraction with ya's.

To somplify this information think of it this way, how you treat the mushrooms will be how they treat you.

Belief of a spiritual experience, respect of a spiritual experience, enjoyment of a spiritual experience, will give you back exactly that. Enjoy your trip !!!



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[pollock]

To simplify this information think of it this way, how you treat the mushrooms will be how they treat you.

Belief of a spiritual experience, respect of a spiritual experience, enjoyment of a spiritual experience, will give you back exactly that. Enjoy your trip !!!



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Sweet words, fitting for most experiences in this reality!

F

[i am all i am]

Sweet words, fitting for most experiences in this reality!

F

Thanks for that Pollock.



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[alexdc]

Is there any time or distance in the place you go when you take magic mushrooms?

[cruise4]

Like picking up pennies. Each one you pick leads you to the next one. They like land thats been grazed by sheep over years I've found.

Funny thing one time... one of the bigger experiences I had on Mushrooms was when I did a fairly small amount. Came as quite a surprise.

The most real thing I ever saw was due to Amphet. Saw a middle aged woman looking at me as real as if I saw you 5ft away. I mean she was really really real. Closed my eyes and gone again. Sounds a small thing but it was the most real thing I've ever seen on anything. Still think about this now. Sounds silly but I wonder if she was some sort of Guardian Angel dressed in modern garb, and I nearly died.