Existence of invisible forces must be acknowledged

[haukipesukone]

I think the number one reason why our world is so fucked up is the denial of invisible forces. In the past they were called spirits, angels, demons. Modern science calls them radiotion, waves, quantum, whateva (pokemon?).

But the fact is, according to scientific and traditional sources that invisible forces exist. And if they do exist it is very likely that they have some effect on us. We should be aware of those effects. But modern science doesn't have all the answers on how exactly the forces affect us, so they choose to ignore it. Because that is the way of science (under capitalist rule at least).

I don't know whether the forces are conscious or do they have their own agendas. Or are they merely some completely rational thing that fits to the dogma of materialist science.

What's important that their existence is acknowledged. It should be taught at schools, it should be explored, because in them lies the key to the next dimension. But modern people are so stupid. If they can't see something they think it doesn't exist. Like a newborn baby who thinks a toy that went behind an obstacle has disappeared. The only thing where they can believe in the invisible is the stock market. There are mysterious forces at play at the stock market. Boo, worship the stock market for it will provide for us. *ghostly tone*


(Of course there's the thing that the Illuminati knows about it but doesn't want us to know.)

I have a Chinese exam in 1,5 hours. I should be studying, so naturally I'm writing stuff like this. I only slept 1-2 hours during the night. Gotta go.

[whitelightrabbit]

i believe that the forces we can't see are far more important than the ones we can see.

[Anders Lindman]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[zero1]

Acknowleged, in my story @ least.

[happiness]

the biggest mistake of our modern civilization is to stop believing in the existance of satan.

[zero1]

the biggest mistake of our modern civilization is to stop believing in the existance of satan.

Yet others say the greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing people he existed...

[measle_weasel]

Ive always believed there was more than meets the eye, years before I ever heard of the NWO, DI, AJ, etc... I was always suprised, and still am, how some people cannot see, or are not willing to let themselves see, that there is more effecting the world than just what they can rationally explain through science.

[whitelightrabbit]

Ive always believed there was more than meets the, years before I ever heard of the NWO, DI, AJ, etc... I was always suprised, and still am, how some people cannot see, or are not willing to let themselves see, that there is more effecting the world than just what they can rationally explain through science.

it's so obvious and natural for children to be aware of this stuff but it's conditioned out of us. (they try to condition it out of us anyway)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I believe in invisible forces. I think our thoughts probably effect what may we may attract to us.

I think it would be so cool to have a kind of animal familiar or "daemon" as they are called in "The Golden Compass".....talking animal companion....which would be even cooler if they were visible. :)

What would I have? Hmmm......a fox I think....that sometimes also became a white horse. :D

[measle_weasel]

it's so obvious and natural for children to be aware of this stuff but it's conditioned out of us. (they try to condition it out of us anyway)

I agree. It is the tactic of distraction.

[whitelightrabbit]

I agree. It is the tactic of distraction.

that's one tactic, but they sort of 'make fun' of people who are able to recognize invisible forces through media like movies etc. also they instill fear regarding that ability. kids learn at a young age not to talk about that sort of thing because of the reactions they get. another thing from my own experience is that i never wanted to be different... so i would purposefully not use all of my abilities for fear of not being 'normal'. more conditioning.

[STARWALKER]

Yet others say the greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing people he existed...

Pretty sure a "did not" should be inserted after "he"...
;)

[ajaydean]

the biggest mistake of our modern civilization is to stop believing in the existance of satan.

where do we learn of satans existance?...the bible.what has been the biggest controlling factor of mankind?... religions! the ruling elete have kept us from our true potential by keeping us in fear of displeasing god (i should know as i spent many years in religion)trapped in the false belief that there is a seperate almighty entity that we had better get on the good side of...the reality is ..we are god! satan is just part of the fear fable created to keep us in check..created by the ruling elete...watch zeitgeist it will help

[whitelightrabbit]

where do we learn of satans existance?...the bible.what has been the biggest controlling factor of mankind?... religions! the ruling elete have kept us from our true potential by keeping us in fear of displeasing god (i should know as i spent many years in religion)trapped in the false belief that there is a seperate almighty entity that we had better get on the good side of...the reality is ..we are god! satan is just part of the fear fable created to keep us in check..created by the ruling elete...watch zeitgeist it will help

nice post. i admire people like you who have overcome years of conditioning by the church and come to your own conclusions. good for you.

[ajaydean]

nice post. i admire people like you who have overcome years of conditioning by the church and come to your own conclusions. good for you.
hey thanks, ..but do you know what? i wouldnt change a thing because i can now understand, that it was all part of my journey and it has led me here where i have no fear just understanding

[whitelightrabbit]

hey thanks, ..but do you know what? i wouldnt change a thing because i can now understand, that it was all part of my journey and it has led me here where i have no fear just understanding

exactly... more power to ya! i hope this happens with my stepdaughter who has been raised with heavy religious influence.

[ultimate]

To understand invisible forces we have to understand that we cannot ‘see’ the 2nd dimension.

The 4th dimension is invisible to us too.

[ultimate]

The 2nd dimension is information.

A square is a 3D idea.

[ultimate]

最后

[ajaydean]

exactly... more power to ya! i hope this happens with my stepdaughter who has been raised with heavy religious influence.
the true spiritual awakening thats going on today is an unstoppable force! more and more, people are "feeling" in their gut that we are moving toward enlightenment, at least with your stepdaughter, as with me, she will know she has put it to bed .By being exposed to religous influence, she will experience for herself its hypocracy! and hey, she will never die so its all a crazy game anyway!..how old is she?..old enough to be offered the blue pill?

[ultimate]

the true spiritual awakening thats going on today is an unstoppable force! more and more, people are "feeling" in their gut that we are moving toward enlightenment, at least with your stepdaughter, as with me, she will know she has put it to bed .By being exposed to religous influence, she will experience for herself its hypocracy! and hey, she will never die so its all a crazy game anyway!..how old is she?..old enough to be offered the blue pill?
http://www.lostseed.com/extras/free-graphics/images/jesus-pictures/jesus-face-passion-of-the-christ.jpg

http://students.umf.maine.edu/~hartfoac/Holocaust%20WebQuest/300px-Star_of_David.svg.png

[notthisshitagain]

I know there are invisible forces because sometimes I can feel them and hear them, but sometimes it's quite hard to understand what they're saying.

[ajaydean]

To understand invisible forces we have to understand that we cannot ‘see’ the 2nd dimension.

The 4th dimension is invisible to us too.

we "see" very little, invisible forces are just different frequencies that sometimes rub shoulders with our own for a time, we have entrapped ourselves into believing this frequency is all there is...all it is, is an experience, and a second rate one at that!

[ultimate]

we "see" very little, invisible forces are just different frequencies that sometimes rub shoulders with our own for a time, we have entrapped ourselves into believing this frequency is all there is...all it is, is an experience, and a second rate one at that!
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[joy division]

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this ultimate is a thread trasher.

[ajaydean]

I know there are invisible forces because sometimes I can feel them and hear them, but sometimes it's quite hard to understand what they're saying.
they absolutely exist! if you dont understand whats being said, dont listen! listen instead to your gut feelings because those feelings are from the source of all creation...you!!

[ultimate]

this ultimate is a thread trasher.
Ghosts, Aliens and Men in Black are all the same.

Jesus Christ was a cover story to hide the opposite truth… the blonde n1gga.

Happy?

[measle_weasel]

this ultimate is a thread trasher.

I actually like his unique style of conveying messages. It makes you think about what hes trying to say, like a painter painting a picture, telling you his story without using words.

[ultimate]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee218/puzzler33/WHoRe/The_Village_COVER.jpg

[joy division]

Ghosts, Aliens and Men in Black are all the same.

Jesus Christ was a cover story to hide the opposite truth… the blonde n1gga.

Happy?

ok, i hope you are not.

my bad if i am wrong

[ultimate]

He came 2000 years ago and he spat shit.

CANIBUS - PL∞ BEYOND 2012 - YouTube

[rhydra]

The sooner mankind faces up to their own ability to make mistakes and create their own disasters the better, instead of blaming the devil, demons, reptilians, the next door neighbour, she's got a cat, a familiar you know, I'm sure she put a spell on my cattle.

[notthisshitagain]

they absolutely exist! if you dont understand whats being said, dont listen! listen instead to your gut feelings because those feelings are from the source of all creation...you!!

I listen to my gut feelings most of the time, and when those "things" talk, they whisper.. and it sounds like garbled voices, that's why it's hard for me to understand them, but it does not happen all the time. And also some of those "things" try to tell me things in dreams.

this ultimate is a thread trasher.

I have nothing against Mr. Ultimate, but I do have to admit that it is a bit annoying to see a lot of threads with just one image/video. But I also agree that it is an unique way of saying things.

[question]

hey hi man

Have you ever tried Lucid Dreaming ! I read a book on it called.

Lucid Dreaming
An experiment in time

I think!
It was back in the 1990's when I read it.
I managed to astro travel through learning this, but it was very very hard to get out of, it can get to a point were you dont get to REM and let your body and mind rest.
But wow! exploring dreams subconciously is wild. :)

[armoured_amazon]

I think the number one reason why our world is so fucked up is the denial of invisible forces. In the past they were called spirits, angels, demons. Modern science calls them radiotion, waves, quantum, whateva (pokemon?).

But the fact is, according to scientific and traditional sources that invisible forces exist. And if they do exist it is very likely that they have some effect on us. We should be aware of those effects. But modern science doesn't have all the answers on how exactly the forces affect us, so they choose to ignore it. Because that is the way of science (under capitalist rule at least).

I don't know whether the forces are conscious or do they have their own agendas. Or are they merely some completely rational thing that fits to the dogma of materialist science.

What's important that their existence is acknowledged. It should be taught at schools, it should be explored, because in them lies the key to the next dimension. But modern people are so stupid. If they can't see something they think it doesn't exist. Like a newborn baby who thinks a toy that went behind an obstacle has disappeared. The only thing where they can believe in the invisible is the stock market. There are mysterious forces at play at the stock market. Boo, worship the stock market for it will provide for us. *ghostly tone*


(Of course there's the thing that the Illuminati knows about it but doesn't want us to know.)

I have a Chinese exam in 1,5 hours. I should be studying, so naturally I'm writing stuff like this. I only slept 1-2 hours during the night. Gotta go.

I agree 100%

[armoured_amazon]

the true spiritual awakening thats going on today is an unstoppable force! more and more, people are "feeling" in their gut that we are moving toward enlightenment, at least with your stepdaughter, as with me, she will know she has put it to bed .By being exposed to religous influence, she will experience for herself its hypocracy! and hey, she will never die so its all a crazy game anyway!..how old is she?..old enough to be offered the blue pill?

Your so-called 'blue pill' is no better than the 'conditioning' you accuse her of being subject to. To harm a hair on her head, let alone play with her spiritual balance just to make the poster satisfied...well, that's asking for trouble.

[haukipesukone]

Yet others say the greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing people he existed...

I love that sentence.

I believe in invisible forces. I think our thoughts probably effect what may we may attract to us.

I think it would be so cool to have a kind of animal familiar or "daemon" as they are called in "The Golden Compass".....talking animal companion....which would be even cooler if they were visible. :)

What would I have? Hmmm......a fox I think....that sometimes also became a white horse. :D

Don't we all have a guardian animal? Mine is a fox too. I at least used to think. Lately I haven't felt connected to it, maybe it means I've somehow integrated myself with it. Or I've lost connection completely and I'm heading totally into the wrong direction without realizing it.


All that invisible stuff affects even everyday events like human contact. You can have a connection with someone who you hardly know. Science would probably call it pheromones or something, but it's not just sexual attraction.

The invisible is all around us. I believe there are many different kinds of entities/forces, more than we can imagine. I think it's wonderful, although many of those are probably "harmful" to us. That's all the more reason to seek understanding.

From now on I'll try to keep the presence of the invisible in my mind always. Maybe it'll give me a better understanding of stuff.

[whitelightrabbit]

the true spiritual awakening thats going on today is an unstoppable force! more and more, people are "feeling" in their gut that we are moving toward enlightenment, at least with your stepdaughter, as with me, she will know she has put it to bed .By being exposed to religous influence, she will experience for herself its hypocracy! and hey, she will never die so its all a crazy game anyway!..how old is she?..old enough to be offered the blue pill?

i hope the blue pill is a metaphor...
anyway she's just turning 16. i am not in a position to directly challenge any beliefs, i just try to spend time with her. she's figured out a lot of my 'alternative' beliefs (yoga, energy work, crystals) although i'm sure she has been told a lot of it is 'evil'. just the fact i am not married to her dad and is 'wrong'. the thing that worries me is she has been conditioned to think that if you are not christian than you are an alchoholic/ party animal/ sinner. you know how it is. anyway, she's a smart girl, i think once she can get away she will figure it out for herself.

[barbitone]

Well deserved thread. :)

I challenge anyone to deny (well, not you guys because I know you know this) that they have had an experience, that at the time is both completly "real" to you and is occuring under closed eyelids. Everyone dreams (I assume) and yet, not everyone is convinced that there is such a thing as "mind sight" (third eye perception). You "see" things and experience them as real and yet you are supposed to be "unconscious".
Dreams never cease to be a source of inspiration and wonder to me....especially the fact that other people don't see it that way. Wierd....:confused:

Some of my best memories from this incarnation are dream events.... go figure.:D

[haukipesukone]

Well deserved thread. :)

I challenge anyone to deny (well, not you guys because I know you know this) that they have had an experience, that at the time is both completly "real" to you and is occuring under closed eyelids. Everyone dreams (I assume) and yet, not everyone is convinced that there is such a thing as "mind sight" (third eye perception). You "see" things and experience them as real and yet you are supposed to be "unconscious".
Dreams never cease to be a source of inspiration and wonder to me....especially the fact that other people don't see it that way. Wierd....:confused:

Some of my best memories from this incarnation are dream events.... go figure.:D

If you mean that while I'm dreaming I believe the dream is real, yeah I 've had a few. Usually it's a good thing when I wake up. Those dreams are usually not pleasant, nor interesting. They're more like I do something irreversible, such as a crime.

I don't think my dream world is connected to any other realms. It may be, but I don't think I get messages or anything. If I do they are very rare. I think it's mostly my subconscious messaging me. The subconscious is probably connected to other planes somehow, but I don't think I can learn to prophecize or anything by interpreting my dreams.

The reason I started this thread and the reasoning behind the general idea is based on common sense, not any esoteric experiences.

Some people see ghosts in their waking life or portents in dreams. I don't. That's why I have to abuse my intellect to escape this fleshy realm.

[armoured_amazon]

If you mean that while I'm dreaming I believe the dream is real, yeah I 've had a few. Usually it's a good thing when I wake up. Those dreams are usually not pleasant, nor interesting. They're more like I do something irreversible, such as a crime.

I don't think my dream world is connected to any other realms. It may be, but I don't think I get messages or anything. If I do they are very rare. I think it's mostly my subconscious messaging me. The subconscious is probably connected to other planes somehow, but I don't think I can learn to prophecize or anything by interpreting my dreams.

The reason I started this thread and the reasoning behind the general idea is based on common sense, not any esoteric experiences.

Some people see ghosts in their waking life or portents in dreams. I don't. That's why I have to abuse my intellect to escape this fleshy realm.

I rarely remember dream experiences, in fact, not in years! My mum is more attuned to that but both of us share the waking ability to see through the veil...most of the family do. I think it's available to everyone but I couldn't begin to say how lol. :)

[haukipesukone]

I rarely remember dream experiences, in fact, not in years! My mum is more attuned to that but both of us share the waking ability to see through the veil...most of the family do. I think it's available to everyone but I couldn't begin to say how lol. :)

What do you mean by "to see through the veil"? That you actually can see/perceive spirits? Or just some inner understanding that the physical/visual world is not the only and final reality?


I just had a course where I had to write a dream diary. I remembered my dreams quite often. I don't think they had much meaning to others except me. There were a few that might have, but still nothing too significant I'm sure.

[armoured_amazon]

What do you mean by "to see through the veil"? That you actually can see/perceive spirits? Or just some inner understanding that the physical/visual world is not the only and final reality?


I just had a course where I had to write a dream diary. I remembered my dreams quite often. I don't think they had much meaning to others except me. There were a few that might have, but still nothing too significant I'm sure.

See and interact, should I choose (which I prefer not to, the only time I will interact is if one is oppressing a human and/or causing mischief). Why don't I remember my dreams? I wonder if it is because I don't get enough quality sleep; I tend to go to bed far too late and just crash, then drag myself out of bed in the morning and hurry to work. I think it must be useful to keep a dream diary.

[haukipesukone]

Posts: 3,000

Impressive.

I wish I could see and interact with spirits... Although I would be sure to abuse it, or just inflict an early death or loss of sanity on myself.

[question]

armoured_amazon
Can I ask!
Do you walk with the Loa's Eshu, Guede and Agwe ?

[armoured_amazon]

armoured_amazon
Can I ask!
Do you walk with the Loa's Eshu, Guede and Agwe ?

No, I don't. I visited with the orishas when I was still searching but I ultimately chose a different path. :)

Impressive.

I wish I could see and interact with spirits... Although I would be sure to abuse it, or just inflict an early death or loss of sanity on myself.

ROFL 3000 is baaaad :o

It's not always wise to interact with spirits; I tend to leave them alone and they leave me alone too. Certain entities tried to have a go in the past (and I thought I was going crazy or something lol) but they've worked it out now. Don't mess with the Amazon! :D

eta: We have an immense amount of power inside of us; we just don't always realise it. We have no need of fear. :)

[barbitone]

What do you mean by "to see through the veil"? That you actually can see/perceive spirits? Or just some inner understanding that the physical/visual world is not the only and final reality?


I just had a course where I had to write a dream diary. I remembered my dreams quite often. I don't think they had much meaning to others except me. There were a few that might have, but still nothing too significant I'm sure.

I think looking for meanings in dreams is no different to looking for meanings in this reality. It's all symbols of inner workings...

[anahata]

where do we learn of satans existance?...the bible.what has been the biggest controlling factor of mankind?... religions! the ruling elete have kept us from our true potential by keeping us in fear of displeasing god (i should know as i spent many years in religion)trapped in the false belief that there is a seperate almighty entity that we had better get on the good side of...the reality is ..we are god! satan is just part of the fear fable created to keep us in check..created by the ruling elete...watch zeitgeist it will help

Nice one ;)

[joe911]

isnt wireless internet invisible??:rolleyes::)
(at least to our eyes)

[red_ram]

Don't we all have a guardian animal? Mine is a fox too.

Firstly, I agree with your initial post. Second, I've always seen my guardian angels (for there are two) as human, one man and another woman.

I've spoken to them in meditation, but the man...just smiles and doesn't say much.

[abrilliantone]

I think the number one reason why our world is so fucked up is the denial of invisible forces. In the past they were called spirits, angels, demons. Modern science calls them radiotion, waves, quantum, whateva (pokemon?).

But the fact is, according to scientific and traditional sources that invisible forces exist. And if they do exist it is very likely that they have some effect on us. We should be aware of those effects. But modern science doesn't have all the answers on how exactly the forces affect us, so they choose to ignore it. Because that is the way of science (under capitalist rule at least).

I don't know whether the forces are conscious or do they have their own agendas. Or are they merely some completely rational thing that fits to the dogma of materialist science.

What's important that their existence is acknowledged. It should be taught at schools, it should be explored, because in them lies the key to the next dimension. But modern people are so stupid. If they can't see something they think it doesn't exist. Like a newborn baby who thinks a toy that went behind an obstacle has disappeared. The only thing where they can believe in the invisible is the stock market. There are mysterious forces at play at the stock market. Boo, worship the stock market for it will provide for us. *ghostly tone*


(Of course there's the thing that the Illuminati knows about it but doesn't want us to know.)

I have a Chinese exam in 1,5 hours. I should be studying, so naturally I'm writing stuff like this. I only slept 1-2 hours during the night. Gotta go.




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[rhydra]

Firstly, I agree with your initial post. Second, I've always seen my guardian angels (for there are two) as human, one man and another woman.

I've spoken to them in meditation, but the man...just smiles and doesn't say much.

I have seen and heard mine in lucid dreams, or what I presume to be lucid dreams, and meditation, she has a feral dragon form, deep green, she appeared way back in the late 90s. I have heard her voice recently, I took note of what she said though I don't know if it's a warning or request for help (can guardians get into trouble?).

[mahabaratara]

where do we learn of satans existance?...the bible.what has been the biggest controlling factor of mankind?... religions! the ruling elete have kept us from our true potential by keeping us in fear of displeasing god (i should know as i spent many years in religion)trapped in the false belief that there is a seperate almighty entity that we had better get on the good side of...the reality is ..we are god! satan is just part of the fear fable created to keep us in check..created by the ruling elete...watch zeitgeist it will help

I am not Christian but have studied what I can in the time that I have...

What do you know about the Essenes...?The Kebra Nagast...?The Ethiopians...?They still speak Hebrew...Its just not that simple...

The Gnostic Christians...?

"Ruling" Elite...?

The play *both* sides...

[mahabaratara]

Ghosts, Aliens and Men in Black are all the same.

Jesus Christ was a cover story to hide the opposite truth… the blonde n1gga.

Happy?

Please elaborate...

[mahabaratara]

The sooner mankind faces up to their own ability to make mistakes and create their own disasters the better, instead of blaming the devil, demons, reptilians, the next door neighbour, she's got a cat, a familiar you know, I'm sure she put a spell on my cattle.

What exists exists and saying it dosent dosent make it so...

Ofcourse the reverse applies...

Just dont totally write it off...

[mahabaratara]

hey hi man

Have you ever tried Lucid Dreaming ! I read a book on it called.

Lucid Dreaming
An experiment in time

I think!
It was back in the 1990's when I read it.
I managed to astro travel through learning this, but it was very very hard to get out of, it can get to a point were you dont get to REM and let your body and mind rest.
But wow! exploring dreams subconciously is wild. :)

I do mine slightly differentley...

I deep breathe or should I say used to and then just let go...

Some of the sequences that I have been witness to were shocking...

Reality...?Who can say...

Powerful most certainly yes...

As for Astral Projection I almost did but aborted...Glad I did as I now know that there are pre requisite steps...Grounding and centering with deep breating *and* meditation...

I have been told dont without either...

[mahabaratara]

Well deserved thread. :)

I challenge anyone to deny (well, not you guys because I know you know this) that they have had an experience, that at the time is both completly "real" to you and is occuring under closed eyelids. Everyone dreams (I assume) and yet, not everyone is convinced that there is such a thing as "mind sight" (third eye perception). You "see" things and experience them as real and yet you are supposed to be "unconscious".
Dreams never cease to be a source of inspiration and wonder to me....especially the fact that other people don't see it that way. Wierd....:confused:

Some of my best memories from this incarnation are dream events.... go figure.:D


Oh yes...;)

[question]

mahabaratara
Easy dude
Lucid Dreaming, I found very impressive but it does have draw backs.
I started lucid dreaming to explore, it basicly is learning to understand when you are dreaming, If you deam and you realise that you are dreaming, then you can explore dreams, walk around, see things, remember things and experience new things.

I started by realising I was having the same dream again and again. I got fed up of dreaming the samething, so I found myself starting to walk away from the dream, it was unreal. As I turned away to walk away it was like a blur, a shudder went through me and then I was some where else ?.

So I started to walk around this new dream I was having, Saw old friends, so waved at them, they waved back. Walked down some country lane into a farm, went into a field and saw a plane that I payed for a girlfriend to fly in on her birthday once. I got in it and fired it up and started to taxi.
I felt everything the plane moving the bumps in the fields grass.
I was loving it, I pulled the yoke back started to lift and then a little wind pushed me back down, as the wheels hit the grass again, bump!!
I woke up.

It was awsome.
So I went and got a book on it. It opened up a new world, not a dimention or another planet, but a dream world.

But the draw back was that when I got good at it, I found I wasnt resting or my body wasnt recharging, and when I woke up it felt like I hadnt had any sleep, it took me nearly two years to get out of the habbit.

The astro traveling is a totaly different thing, it would take far too long to type out, as I am sure you are aware. :)

[mahabaratara]

mahabaratara
Easy dude
Lucid Dreaming, I found very impressive but it does have draw backs.
I started lucid dreaming to explore, it basicly is learning to understand when you are dreaming, If you deam and you realise that you are dreaming, then you can explore dreams, walk around, see things, remember things and experience new things.

I started by realising I was having the same dream again and again. I got fed up of dreaming the samething, so I found myself starting to walk away from the dream, it was unreal. As I turned away to walk away it was like a blur, a shudder went through me and then I was some where else ?.

So I started to walk around this new dream I was having, Saw old friends, so waved at them, they waved back. Walked down some country lane into a farm, went into a field and saw a plane that I payed for a girlfriend to fly in on her birthday once. I got in it and fired it up and started to taxi.
I felt everything the plane moving the bumps in the fields grass.
I was loving it, I pulled the yoke back started to lift and then a little wind pushed me back down, as the wheels hit the grass again, bump!!
I woke up.

It was awsome.
So I went and got a book on it. It opened up a new world, not a dimention or another planet, but a dream world.

But the draw back was that when I got good at it, I found I wasnt resting or my body wasnt recharging, and when I woke up it felt like I hadnt had any sleep, it took me nearly two years to get out of the habbit.

The astro traveling is a totaly different thing, it would take far too long to type out, as I am sure you are aware. :)

Thanks for the write up...:)

The shudder was your Kundalini...Google it but be *very* careful it nearly burned me a few years ago (although I didnt know what it was...)

As for Astral Projection I found these useful over the years...

http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html

and found this one just now would you believe...!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6188656/astral-projection-a-complete-guide

Scribd also has Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce...

:)

[haukipesukone]

isnt wireless internet invisible??:rolleyes::)
(at least to our eyes)

That is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have to go to some esoteric concepts to be able to "see" that the invisible exists. It's invisible yet it affects us at least indirectly through the computers, but who knows whether it's presence could effect us directly too.

The wireless internet surely is not the only invisible thing we already know about.

My computer makes this annoying humming sound when it's on. Sound is invisible and who knows what other effects the computer has just by having it on. It's like a repulsive siren. If I hear the sound I think I unconsciously want to use the computer so I can ignore the sound. But if I try to read a book in the same room the humming bothers me quite a bit. But if I am sitting by the computer it's easier to ignore the sound.

[abrilliantone]

The thing that everyone should keep in mind.

Is that "Everything And Nothing Exists."

It's just our "Belief Sytems" which we allow to determine what we "see" and what stays "invisible" to us.





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