How can astrology work?

[zen_fox]

How can Jupiter effect someone on earth? What does it matter? I don't understand how it can do this. Can anyone provide an explanation or understand anything about how this can effect behavior and mood?

[slayer of cliffracers]

How does the Sun make the Earth go around it?

Something doesn't need physical proximity of contact to have an effect on something else.

[dreamweaver]

How does the Sun make the Earth go around it?

Something doesn't need physical proximity of contact to have an effect on something else.

Gravity is a known and measurable phenomenon.

What mechanism do you propose that links Jupiter to behaviour and mood?

[astrochicken]

How can Jupiter effect someone on earth? What does it matter? I don't understand how it can do this. Can anyone provide an explanation or understand anything about how this can effect behavior and mood?


I use to think it was a load of bollocks till i discovered the field of cymatics
(loads of videos on youtube "cymatics" "hans jenny").

The basic jist is that when specific frequencies resonate then "form" is created. ie. circles,squares, stars of david etc. So these are no longer solely geometric shapes but they also resonate at a specific frequency (whether audible or percievable depends on the individual .. some can see auras for example). You, yourself, are a mass of swirling frequencies.


If you were now to view, from a geometric viewpoint, the present position of stars and planets and plot the points then you have a mass of possible geometric shapes in the heavens eminating different frequencies, perhaps interfering with other *shapes* (ie positions of stars/planets) all this will result in you being bombarded by external noises.

The same applies to the positions of the planets during your birth, which i reckon result in your basic operating frequency.. ie the sound you make when you're running in idle.

Easy way to visualize is to chuck 2 stones into a pond.



As i said at the beginning.. i thought it was utter crap.. and that included the hippie-wifeys selling crystals on blankets at festivals... but that was just me stuck in stage #1.

[melody]

In addition to what astrochicken has pointed out, as an astrologer I like to point out that I don't think the planets or stars actually cause anything to happen but are external projections of our internal reality - just like reptilians as David Icke is fond of saying. The universe and everything in it is very real to our experience, and we a holographic microcosm of the macrocosm. But we are also creating the reality that we live in. It makes sense to me along these lines to realize that everything mirrors, reflects and is connected to everything else. And so, astrology is the study of just one part of our experience and how it is reflecting our inner psyche and individual/collective change and growth.

[slayer of cliffracers]

Gravity is a known and measurable phenomenon.

What mechanism do you propose that links Jupiter to behaviour and mood?


Another mechanism to gravity of course.

You give something a name and you accept it. Call it 'Gravity'. But you understand no more about how Gravity actually works, than Astrologers understand how Astrology works.

[marpat]

How can Jupiter effect someone on earth? What does it matter? I don't understand how it can do this. Can anyone provide an explanation or understand anything about how this can effect behavior and mood?

I think it is dpendant upon the idea of subtle forces correlating to the planets positions having a subtle effect. If the universe is part of one total energy field then we are linked to everything but as this link is not obvious the force of astrology may not seem obvious.

[croatiancoffee]

Go to a hot country and sun bathe naked for a few hours and you might come back orange or red. It aint the ice cream that does this!

I dont like the notion (or whatever fancy word you want to call it) that one of the planets cause us to do something.

Astrology, the movements of the planets, works in the same way as a clock. It is a measurement of time. Instead of having a big and small hand, you have a few more. Although if you want to do it in an accurate way, you can focus on 2 planets and use them as a big hand and a little one in the exact same way you would use a clock to tell the time.

Been round a few astrology sites and even had my own. Used a few names but mainly the name Coffee. Or as a picture on here stated...."how about a cup of shut the f up!"

[slayer of cliffracers]

I dont like the notion (or whatever fancy word you want to call it) that one of the planets cause us to do something.


Whether you like it or not is irrelavant. It's simply the most logical and simplest explanation.


Astrology, the movements of the planets, works in the same way as a clock. It is a measurement of time. Instead of having a big and small hand, you have a few more. Although if you want to do it in an accurate way, you can focus on 2 planets and use them as a big hand and a little one in the exact same way you would use a clock to tell the time.

Occams Razor eliminates your explanation. The simplest logical explanation is that the planets directly cause effects via some kind of mechanism akin to gravity.

[croatiancoffee]

Ah yes, Slayer. Where have I seen you before? A certain astrology site.
Tell me, are you one of the people who does traditional astrology?


Whether you like it or not is irrelavant. It's simply the most logical and simplest explanation.



Occams Razor eliminates your explanation. The simplest logical explanation is that the planets directly cause effects via some kind of mechanism akin to gravity.

Let me get this straight....you find it logical that the "mechanism" of astrology, which events happen on earth is direct result of a force akin to gravity?

Ok, explain it using astrology. I have a Mars return, what has gravity got to do with how that effects me?

Occams razor? Please explain further and how the planets representing a clock showing time, but not effect, is undone by whatever theory you propose please.

[astrochicken]

Ok, explain it using astrology. I have a Mars return, what has gravity got to do with how that effects me?

View the work on Cymatics by Dr. Hans Jenny and think of the heavens geometrically.

Or the scene from hitchcock's vertigo whenever james stewart gets dizzy.


same thing.

[slayer of cliffracers]

Let me get this straight....you find it logical that the "mechanism" of astrology, which events happen on earth is direct result of a force akin to gravity?

Ok, explain it using astrology. I have a Mars return, what has gravity got to do with how that effects me?

Occams razor? Please explain further and how the planets representing a clock showing time, but not effect, is undone by whatever theory you propose please.

Gravity does not have anything to do with it. What I said is that an invisible force 'akin' to gravity exudes from objects which effects other things in the universe.

I do find it logical, as logical as anything else. About your Mars return.

We always experiance the Astrology of the universe all the time and this has effects upon us. When we are born, or for that matters when anything suitably new happens, the Astrology of the time is forever etched on our actual memory.

We spend our whole lives forcing the present Astrology to fit our natal chart, this we do without knowing it. This creates a certain contradiction.

In the event of an actual planet corresponding with a natal planet, then there is no need to bend anything, because it is where it is began.

Your clock idea works in exactly the same way, but it adds another element (the clock) that is redundant to the explanation. It is not neccesery to have some kind of mysterious explained time cycle that mysteriously corresponds with the planets, when you can simply directly connect the planets (and their physical structure and chemical makeup) to the effect.

[nectars]

Check out Torsion physics.

[cruise4]

Plasma fields. Energy flows. Charge alters.

[empathyx]

How can Jupiter effect someone on earth? What does it matter? I don't understand how it can do this. Can anyone provide an explanation or understand anything about how this can effect behavior and mood?

I am not an astrologer, I am a tarologist but naturally gravitate to all these kind of subjects.

If Jupiter is to 'affect' you it would need to be decided what planets are in your birth chart, as when Jupiter, which is the planet of good luck and fortune comes out to play it can affect the part of your chart that Jupiter falls...
like an extra pull on that area which it occupies...

Perhaps other astrologers would not agree with me, but I am a believer that the planets do indeed affect us some more than others depending if we have a birth link with them. The planets that are important to you are the ones that pass through at the time of your birth. A Birthchart is very easily obtainable on line....

Dr Turi who posts on this forum is very gifted with the planets and obviously has a very strong understanding of them its worth asking him this question Im sure he would be kind enough to answer it just for a better opinion.
I also think Melody has a very interesting answer too.

I think most people who have never studied astrology or the constellations are quite puzzled by how they can be of any account to any of us on earth but one has to consider that astronomy and astrological gifts have been with us from Egyptian times and beyond. Its quite fascinating to study and read about this too.

How can Jupiter affect us?

http://www.mindspring.com/~jfalone/affect.htm



I hope you get interested in the planets as they are wonderful and and most people do not even realise that each one has a musical note...a tone of its own....I had this link to the tones of each planet once, if I find it I will post it for you, its a very weird thing to listen to each of the sounds...earth has a quite low sound if I remember....this link confirms this but it does,nt have the music tone chart on it unfortunately.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MusicoftheSpheres.html

not sure if any of this helps x

Empathyx

[croatiancoffee]

I will respond to the replies later, but just to further add to my point....

How do you know when it is night or day time?


I will read over all this topic again as not sure if I am following in the manner the question intended.

[bowtiedaddy]

I use to think it was a load of bollocks till i discovered the field of cymatics
(loads of videos on youtube "cymatics" "hans jenny").

The basic jist is that when specific frequencies resonate then "form" is created. ie. circles,squares, stars of david etc. So these are no longer solely geometric shapes but they also resonate at a specific frequency (whether audible or percievable depends on the individual .. some can see auras for example). You, yourself, are a mass of swirling frequencies.


If you were now to view, from a geometric viewpoint, the present position of stars and planets and plot the points then you have a mass of possible geometric shapes in the heavens eminating different frequencies, perhaps interfering with other *shapes* (ie positions of stars/planets) all this will result in you being bombarded by external noises.

The same applies to the positions of the planets during your birth, which i reckon result in your basic operating frequency.. ie the sound you make when you're running in idle.

Easy way to visualize is to chuck 2 stones into a pond.



As i said at the beginning.. i thought it was utter crap.. and that included the hippie-wifeys selling crystals on blankets at festivals... but that was just me stuck in stage #1.

It sounds great and all, but How do you know this actually occurs and isn't just some really fascinating intellectual theory?

For example, you mention the vibrational reasoning behind the zodiac. I am about as far from my zodiac sign as you can get, and so is my wife. I do know about upper frequencies and that pretty much everything is a vibration, but I don't really believe that free will is dictated by any outside source. It just doesn't make sense, and doesn't hold up out of theory on paper.

[bowtiedaddy]

Another mechanism to gravity of course.

You give something a name and you accept it. Call it 'Gravity'. But you understand no more about how Gravity actually works, than Astrologers understand how Astrology works.

That is the wisest thing I've heard on here.

That's the reality, that so many people are not willing to admit. We can call something this, or give it a term, or throw some of our "numbers" at it... but we simply just will never know what it is, only what we can interpret it as.

We have no knowledge, or insight, just perception. Some people may be closer to what is there than others, but nobody in this living realm will be able to discern what is, or what isn't. David Icke may see reptiles, and they may or may not be real at all. I, personally, think that he has been given a vision that represents figurative ideas because he is adept at symbology, but as I said... there is no way to know... ANYTHING.

All ideas are theory, until we die, and then we'll get the big "AHA!" whether that is that we've always been there, or we are only just joining that realm.

That's at least what my logic tells me.

[bowtiedaddy]

I will respond to the replies later, but just to further add to my point....

How do you know when it is night or day time?


I will read over all this topic again as not sure if I am following in the manner the question intended.

Well, biologically, we require vitamins that the sun produces. Psychologically, complete perception. Time exists in the abstract, but not regimentally. There is some motion of happenings, but the rate at which it is catalogued is purely a man made invention.

[astrochicken]

It sounds great and all, but How do you know this actually occurs and isn't just some really fascinating intellectual theory?

For example, you mention the vibrational reasoning behind the zodiac. I am about as far from my zodiac sign as you can get, and so is my wife. I do know about upper frequencies and that pretty much everything is a vibration, but I don't really believe that free will is dictated by any outside source. It just doesn't make sense, and doesn't hold up out of theory on paper.

http://photos3.flickr.com/3975200_b34337dacb.jpg

This is the left hemisphere kicking in with logic:

How do you know this actually occurs
It just doesn't make sense
(It) doesn't hold up out of theory on paper

There is no way to prove 90% of the theories expressed on these forums, but i do notice that there are thousands of like-minded people who all arrive, intuitively, at the same conclusions.


I don't really believe that free will is dictated by any outside source


Neither do I.

I do however believe, on a purely vibrational level, that during the interval between birth and death our purpose is to be GETTING IN TUNE.


Here's anothe bit of trivia.. and there's no way that this can be a coincidence.


The average adult breathes 18 times per minute (that's part of our basic operating system and requires no conscious thought!)

Per Minute: 18 breaths
per Hour: 1080 breaths
per Day: 25920 breaths

The time it takes the sun to traverse through all the signs of the zodiac ie, "The great cycle" or the "Precession of the Equinoxes"
is 25920 years.

So part of your BIOS is to breathe 25920 times in one solar day and the "platonic year" is exactly 25920 years.

[miranda]

You need the whole chart done, not just the sun sign. Astrology v. accurate. As to how astrology can affect you - vibratory effect(?)
How can the moon affect the tides? And the human body is mostly fluid ...

[scatlond]

The gravitational pull of the moon makes t he tide go in and out, you are mostly water.

[miranda]

Ooh, an echo.

Hey Scatlond, we're on the same page?!

[elder_god]

How can Jupiter effect someone on earth? What does it matter? I don't understand how it can do this. Can anyone provide an explanation or understand anything about how this can effect behavior and mood?

the Universe is electrical, hack, it is electro-magnetic. :D like organism. everything communicates, more powerfull influence the weaker, allways,
as above so bellow. ;)