Rik Clay's Death

[free_at_last]

Does anyone know what happened to Rik Clay? How did he die?

I read some place it was suicide. it seems to me someone so young with such a passion for research and new discovery would do this.

[notthisshitagain]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35596

The official statement was that it was a suicide... but somehow, I still have trouble believing that.

[Anders Lindman]

:eek: Is Rik Clay dead? I'm very sorry to hear that. His blog was shut down and he stopped researching I think. Did he suffer from some disease?

[notthisshitagain]

:eek: Is Rik Clay dead? I'm very sorry to hear that. His blog was shut down and he stopped researching I think. Did he suffer from some disease?

Apparently he was fine and dandy... a few days before it happened he seemed upbeat.

[Anders Lindman]

Apparently he was fine and dandy... a few days before it happened he seemed upbeat.

And he looked healthy.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/06jun/RICR-080608.jpg

[notthisshitagain]

Yeah, I know... I *still* can't believe it...

[Anders Lindman]

Rik did some research on the Mayan calendar in connection to consciousness and the year 2012. So did Ian Lungold who also died even though he looked healthy. That could of course probably be just a coincidence but anyway.

[notthisshitagain]

Maybe it is coincidence, but I still think something fishy is going on. Or maybe I'm letting my imagination run wild? (Even more, that is.)

[Anders Lindman]

Could it be that people like Rik Clay and Ian Lungold get too hooked into a certain kind of research and they get mentally ill and then physically ill so that the brain and the body can't take it anymore? But they didn't appear overly crazy or mentally ill. Unless they quickly got worse and then died. :confused:

[notthisshitagain]

Could it be that people like Rik Clay and Ian Lungold get too hooked into a certain kind of research and they get mentally ill and then physically ill so that the brain and the body can't take it anymore? But they didn't appear overly crazy or mentally ill. Unless they quickly got worse and then died. :confused:

Actually I was thinking about something like that, but who knows for sure.. wonder if anyone else has another theory too..

[hordeari]

maybe some cia/mi5/6/other/ mind control op? suicide all of a sudden, he was open an minded guy (psychologically stable?), so comitting suicide kind.a fishy, and because of having problms with gf and college ....hmm..

[Anders Lindman]

Actually I was thinking about something like that, but who knows for sure.. wonder if anyone else has another theory too..

The only thing I have found is that Rik briefly said in an interview "I'm sick of thinking". Maybe that was a reference to some mental problem he had? But I'm speculating wildly here.

[Anders Lindman]

I don't believe there was some conspiracy behind Rik's death, but to have a very open mind, then if he was killed, why was he killed?

One thing that Rik said was that princess Diana represented Isis and her son represents the sun, or the Christ. As I understand it, Rik said that Prince William is the new Christ. Did Rik come too close to the truth? :eek:

The poem "The Second Coming" by William Blake:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[armoured_amazon]

Um, William is not Christ.

[Anders Lindman]

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

If I remember correctly, Rik said that the new Bethlehem is in England. :eek:

[armoured_amazon]

...

You are getting carried away lol

[Anders Lindman]

Um, William is not Christ.

Check out the poem The Second Coming. I think Yeats wrote about the anti-Christ. :eek:

[Anders Lindman]

...

You are getting carried away lol

Yes, I don't mean any disrespect for Rik. I'm having a bit of fun speculating.

[armoured_amazon]

Check out the poem The Second Coming. I think Yeats wrote about the anti-Christ. :eek:

LOL @ that smiley.

I write songs with iconic reference. So do Depeche Mode. And Marilyn Manson. And etc etc. It's creativity, not fact. I don't know enough about Yeats to know whether he was prophesying but I don't imagine he was.

Perhaps William may be instrumental in the NWO which as a whole is an anti-Christ. But Christ is eternal and is the same now as before and ahead.

:)

[Anders Lindman]

I don't know enough about Yeats to know whether he was prophesying but I don't imagine he was.


I was actually searching for William Blake but came across this poem by Yeats. I have seen this poem before and thought it fitted well into Rik's story about prince William. :D (even though I don't mean any disrespect for prince William either)

[armoured_amazon]

Yes, I don't mean any disrespect for Rik. I'm having a bit of fun speculating.

I was actually searching for William Blake but came across this poem by Yeats. I have seen this poem before and thought it fitted well into Rik's story about prince William. :D (even though I don't mean any disrespect for prince William either)

LOL speculating is fun. :D

[Anders Lindman]

LOL speculating is fun. :D

Yeah, I feel like Dan Brown writing The DaVinci Code or something. :D

[armoured_amazon]

Yeah, I feel like Dan Brown writing The DaVinci Code or something. :D

Moar! MOARRRRR!!!!! :D

[Anders Lindman]

Moar! MOARRRRR!!!!! :D

Princess Diana represented Isis according to Rik. Diana's perfume brand is: Isis. Diana was killed in Paris. Paris = Par-is = a pair of 'is' = two 'is' = Isis.

[armoured_amazon]

Princess Diana represented Isis according to Rik. Diana's perfume brand is: Isis. Diana was killed in Paris. Paris = Par-is = a pair of 'is' = two 'is' = Isis.

:eek:

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Anders Lindman]

Rik mentioned Matthew Delooze. Guess what. His website is down! :confused:

http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/maintenance.php

[Anders Lindman]

And Matthew Delooze's blog is down too. Just like what happened to Rik's blog:

http://matthew-delooze.blogspot.com/

[simplify]

Does anyone know how long matthews site has been down........I hope & pray that this is not the same scenario as Rik's website:eek:

[haukipesukone]

Um, William is not Christ.

I've heard he's the anti-Christ.

And I think it makes sense.


And no I don't have to accept Jesus as my savior to believe in the existence of the anti-Christ.

[lightgiver]

Does anyone know how long matthews site has been down........I hope & pray that this is not the same scenario as Rik's website:eek:

http://www.oneballradio.com/node/145

[steevo]

Are there any videos which show Rik clay cos i wanna see what he properly looks like (ie not a photo) ?

[Anders Lindman]

Rik said that the first step in Project Blue Beam is a staged economic disaster. Holy smolder! What we see today could in fact be the beginning of such economic crisis.

[Anders Lindman]

Rik said an interesting thing about the 911 truth movement. He said that he himself a few years ago ran around telling everybody that 911 was an inside job, until he realized that that was exactly what the manipulators wanted him to do! I thought that that was a pretty clever observation.

On the other hand, we also need to learn about false flag attacks etc, and we need to spread that information to other people. I think Alex Jones for example is doing an extremely important job. At the same time, we should perhaps not get stuck in the truth movement forever. Tricky. Maybe we could look at it as different levels of 'waking up'. First we fight the New World Order. Then we realize that that fight is exactly what they want us to be endlessly occupied with.

The best thing to do is perhaps to both fight the New World Order and at the same time not be completely consumed by that kind of fight.

[steevo]

Rik said an interesting thing about the 911 truth movement. He said that he himself a few years ago ran around telling everybody that 911 was an inside job, until he realized that that was exactly what the manipulators wanted him to do! I thought that that was a pretty clever observation.

On the other hand, we also need to learn about false flag attacks etc, and we need to spread that information to other people. I think Alex Jones for example is doing an extremely important job. At the same time, we should perhaps not get stuck in the truth movement forever. Tricky. Maybe we could look at it as different levels of 'waking up'. First we fight the New World Order. Then we realize that that fight is exactly what they want us to be endlessly occupied with.

The best thing to do is perhaps to both fight the New World Order and at the same time not be completely consumed by that kind of fight.

Why does he think that exposing 911 was what they WANTED him to do ?

I dont want to offend anyone here and I may get accused of being paranoid but is Rik Clay REALLY dead and did he even exist ? :o lol sorry I know that sounds totally a stupid thing to say but has anyone seen a video of him or met him? I'm sure that there are plenty of vids of him but I havent seen one yet.

[Anders Lindman]

Why does he think that exposing 911 was what they WANTED him to do ?

I dont want to offend anyone here and I may get accused of being paranoid but is Rik Clay REALLY dead and did he even exist ? :o lol sorry I know that sounds totally a stupid thing to say but has anyone seen a video of him or met him? I'm sure that there are plenty of vids of him but I havent seen one yet.

Here are four interviews with him:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4789

[Anders Lindman]

Project Bluebeam is interesting. Could be a hoax though. If it is real I think it has more to do with staging an economic crisis and other things that will make it easier and faster to implement new global laws, regulations and trade agreements than staging some religious or alien laser show in the sky. ;):D

[steevo]

Here are four interviews with him:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4789

I want videos though. those appear to be MP3's. I have listened to a few of his interviews already, but I wanna see what he was really like in person by seeing him talking.

[Anders Lindman]

I want videos though. those appear to be MP3's. I have listened to a few of his interviews already, but I wanna see what he was really like in person by seeing him talking.

I haven't found any videos with Rik. I found this interview (audio) with Ian Crane talking about Rik's death:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/09sep/RICR-080911.php

[haukipesukone]

Why does he think that exposing 911 was what they WANTED him to do ?


Think of Michael Moore. They want us to know about 911 to create confusion. At first they used 911 as excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, and the patriot act. Now they no longer need 911 for that purpose, now they are using it create civil unrest and dissent. I think that was their plan from the beginning.

[steevo]

Think of Michael Moore. They want us to know about 911 to create confusion. At first they used 911 as excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, and the patriot act. Now they no longer need 911 for that purpose, now they are using it create civil unrest and dissent. I think that was their plan from the beginning.

That COULD be right....maybe. If that is true, I dont think that it was planned that way from the BEGINNING. The cat is out of the bag on 911 and on lots of other subjects.

I see it like this, people are waking up, so the Illuminati bring in their contingency plan for such an event which they knew would eventually come. I could be wrong though. Rik Clay SEEMS to think that 911 was MEANT to be exposed cos they had to bring in the changes by 2012 (in other words they had to do it before a particular date). Which COULD be true...maybe.

Rik Clay was a theorist IMO. Yes he had SOME evidence but he also used theories based on no evidence. Rik was NOT right on everything IMO (but who is right on everything?)
He thinks that the Illuminati (who start wars which kills millions of people) are doing for the do for the benefit of humanity.
I still wanna see some videos of Rik just so that i know that he even existed. I'm sure he DID exist but I just wanna make sure.

[hordeari]

He thinks that the Illuminati (who start wars which kills millions of people) are doing for the do for the benefit of humanity.

i was confused when hearing this theories you just mentioned in some interviews with RC, quite strange, all his research and he comes to very weird conlcusion, illuminati are trying to save us, yeah right cant buy that one

[haukipesukone]

That COULD be right....maybe. If that is true, I dont think that it was planned that way from the BEGINNING. The cat is out of the bag on 911 and on lots of other subjects.

I see it like this, people are waking up, so the Illuminati bring in their contingency plan for such an event which they knew would eventually come. I could be wrong though. Rik Clay SEEMS to think that 911 was MEANT to be exposed cos they had to bring in the changes by 2012 (in other words they had to do it before a particular date). Which COULD be true...maybe.

Rik Clay was a theorist IMO. Yes he had SOME evidence but he also used theories based on no evidence. Rik was NOT right on everything IMO (but who is right on everything?)
He thinks that the Illuminati (who start wars which kills millions of people) are doing for the do for the benefit of humanity.
I still wanna see some videos of Rik just so that i know that he even existed. I'm sure he DID exist but I just wanna make sure.

I don't think as I said in my previous post, because of something Rik said. I don't remember anything he said about 911, except the numbers 9 and 11. I believe as I do, because it simply makes sense to me. I think they planned the truth to be out a lot sooner, perhaps a few years ago, but people are too pig-headed and passive to completely expose 911.

Where did Rik say that Illuminati are doing it's things for the benefit of humanity?

Keep up your research on Rik. I think he existed, but you can never be too certain. I've considered the possibility he was only something used to introduce us to Project Bluebeam. But I prefer to think if him as a fallen hero.

[steevo]

I don't think as I said in my previous post, because of something Rik said. I don't remember anything he said about 911, except the numbers 9 and 11. I believe as I do, because it simply makes sense to me. I think they planned the truth to be out a lot sooner, perhaps a few years ago, but people are too pig-headed and passive to completely expose 911.

Where did Rik say that Illuminati are doing it's things for the benefit of humanity?

Keep up your research on Rik. I think he existed, but you can never be too certain. I've considered the possibility he was only something used to introduce us to Project Bluebeam. But I prefer to think if him as a fallen hero.


Haukipesukone, there are links in the opening post of this thread :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29038

[haukipesukone]

Downloading them right now. I've heard them already, but can't hurt to do it again.

[bobski]

check this out videos of th interview and more I have added

http://www.alienhub.com/religion-prophecy-predictions/8407-rik-clay.html

[twilighterheart]

Rik said an interesting thing about the 911 truth movement. He said that he himself a few years ago ran around telling everybody that 911 was an inside job, until he realized that that was exactly what the manipulators wanted him to do! I thought that that was a pretty clever observation.

On the other hand, we also need to learn about false flag attacks etc, and we need to spread that information to other people. I think Alex Jones for example is doing an extremely important job. At the same time, we should perhaps not get stuck in the truth movement forever. Tricky. Maybe we could look at it as different levels of 'waking up'. First we fight the New World Order. Then we realize that that fight is exactly what they want us to be endlessly occupied with.

The best thing to do is perhaps to both fight the New World Order and at the same time not be completely consumed by that kind of fight.

It's not about 'them' it's about the self raising. Think about 'it'.

heart

[wwu777]

Don't you guys know that Rik Clary died 4 days after doing an interview on Red Ice Creations?

On it he mentioned that project bluebeam would be used to fake an alien invasion at the 2012 olympics in London.

Was that what got him killed?

He was too smart and awakened to commit suicide. Come on now. Why would some of you fall for that?

The question is: Why do people like him get killed, but David Icke and Alex Jones are allowed to yack away?

Could it be because Icke and Jones are controlled somehow, either knowingly or unknowingly?

Plus, why would they kill Rik? It's not like he was reaching masses of people.

There are many bloggers like him out there. So why him?

You can listen to his last interview on YouTube by the way. Many versions of it were uploaded.

[twilighterheart]

Don't you guys know that Rik Clary died 4 days after doing an interview on Red Ice Creations?

On it he mentioned that project bluebeam would be used to fake an alien invasion at the 2012 olympics in London.

Was that what got him killed?

He was too smart and awakened to commit suicide. Come on now. Why would some of you fall for that?

The question is: Why do people like him get killed, but David Icke and Alex Jones are allowed to yack away?

Could it be because Icke and Jones are controlled somehow, either knowingly or unknowingly?

Plus, why would they kill Rik? It's not like he was reaching masses of people.

There are many bloggers like him out there. So why him?

You can listen to his last interview on YouTube by the way. Many versions of it were uploaded.

Maybe he did off himself, he could have honest to goodness depression. By your own reasonings it makes no sense to off someone like him.

[subl1minal]

Don't you guys know that Rik Clary died 4 days after doing an interview on Red Ice Creations?

On it he mentioned that project bluebeam would be used to fake an alien invasion at the 2012 olympics in London.

Was that what got him killed?

He was too smart and awakened to commit suicide. Come on now. Why would some of you fall for that?

The question is: Why do people like him get killed, but David Icke and Alex Jones are allowed to yack away?

Could it be because Icke and Jones are controlled somehow, either knowingly or unknowingly?

Plus, why would they kill Rik? It's not like he was reaching masses of people.

There are many bloggers like him out there. So why him?

You can listen to his last interview on YouTube by the way. Many versions of it were uploaded.

The reason why Icke is still alive is because he understands how this 'reality' works. The reason why Alex is still alive is because he's only helping in feeding the Illuminati. Because he keeps people in a state of fear, anger and just basically all low vibrations.

[unlockthepower]

The reason why Icke is still alive is because he understands how this 'reality' works. The reason why Alex is still alive is because he's only helping in feeding the Illuminati. Because he keeps people in a state of fear, anger and just basically all low vibrations.

Good post.

Rik Clay's death is very suspicious in my opinion.
Can it really be coincidence that all these people that speak out wether it be the more conspiritorial side or just dirty info on politicians etc end up dead under the banner of suicide and everyone that knows them says they were happy? Of course sometimes people do kill themselves even when they appear happy to those around them but it seems to happen to often and predictably with those that say things they "Shouldn't say"

[unlockthepower]

"A coincidence is what's left when you apply a bad theory" - P W Bridgeman

[edtheball69]

Rik got to close to the ocult of the royal bloodline they see that as an act of treason he exposed the truth and we are run by a ruthless gang of people that for centuaries have impaled people hung and quartered them for speaking out against them they will allow us into the EU and a nwo it is all by design, the royals are evil they worship ancient egyptien rituals and they inbreed look at this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOP5_rGtALw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2imEnmIHAXE

[unlockthepower]

Rik got to close to the ocult of the royal bloodline they see that as an act of treason he exposed the truth and we are run by a ruthless gang of people that for centuaries have impaled people hung and quartered them for speaking out against them they will allow us into the EU and a nwo it is all by design, the royals are evil they worship ancient egyptien rituals and they inbreed look at this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOP5_rGtALw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2imEnmIHAXE

No doubt the Royal Family are the scum of the earth.

Can you embed the videos please?

[consciousness]

i personally think Rik was murdered. What better way to discredit a person than to say he committed suicide ? Damn, these elite are dirty bastards.

[unlockthepower]

i personally think Rik was murdered. What better way to discredit a person than to say he committed suicide ? Damn, these elite are dirty bastards.

It's convienient that so many "Commit suicide" huh?

Can anyone help me find the original presentation video interview he did about the London 2012 olympics Zion? I saw the original one before they had to remove most of the images due to copywrite claims and that's the only version i can find now.

[petras]

Everybody with a working brain knows why he was killed and by whom.

The most important message he dropped during his short visit was "Be authentic - always!".

[the_ohmbudsman]

Wasn't Rik Clay just a poor man's David Icke? lol ;) Perhaps his thinking caused him problems, it's a lot of weight to take on your shoulders claiming that you have all the answers to these issues. I don't really know where this guy came from? What was his background etc?

I just read this...

http://www.rikclayfoundation.org/rik-clay.html

I never heard of this guy before the last few months. But it doesn't state clearly how he comitted suicide?

[illuminumnuts]

I never heard of this guy before the last few months. But it doesn't state clearly how he comitted suicide?

I think it is very likely that he was murdered. He was obviously touching on something the 'bad guys' weren't at all keen on him touching.

[the_ohmbudsman]

I think it is very likely that he was murdered. He was obviously touching on something the 'bad guys' weren't at all keen on him touching.

Well then why does it say on his own web page that he commited suicide.

[illuminumnuts]

Well then why does it say on his own web page that he commited suicide.

Perhaps the person who wrote that on his webpage believes it? :rolleyes:

[the_ohmbudsman]

Perhaps the person who wrote that on his webpage believes it? :rolleyes:

Do you know how he died? It doesn't say on the site!

[illuminumnuts]

Do you know how he died? It doesn't say on the site!

No, I don't know how he died. I just doubt that he committed suicide.

[jjinsane1]

Do you know how he died? It doesn't say on the site!
He was murdered. It was made to look like a suicide. The reason? He did live interviews that spilled the beans about what the "powers that be" have planned for the 2012 Olympics.

He told information they do not want mass amounts of people knowing... because massive amounts knowing would mean they wont be able to get away with doing it.

Do some research on youtube - Rik Clay - Olympics - murdered

[the_ohmbudsman]

He was murdered. It was made to look like a suicide. The reason? He did live interviews that spilled the beans about what the "powers that be" have planned for the 2012 Olympics.

He told information they do not want mass amounts of people knowing... because massive amounts knowing would mean they wont be able to get away with doing it.

Do some research on youtube - Rik Clay - Olympics - murdered

People keep saying he was murdered! But omit to say what way he died?

Also why knock him off when there are others like David Icke who carry on regardless!

[illuminumnuts]

People keep saying he was murdered!

That's right.

But omit to say what way he died?

Well, if someone is murdered by a powerful group, specifically because of what they are working on, then they would go out of their way to make it look like suicide. No one has 'omitted' to say in what way he died. We just don't know for sure and wouldn't have much faith in what the autopsy report said anyway. :rolleyes: I think some information did come out, have a look on the other threads, but in terms of credibility it would mean nothing to me really.

Also why knock him off when there are others like David Icke who carry on regardless!

That question has already been answered for you. He would certainly have been monitored online because of the work he was doing, quite possibly stuff we don't know about, and his 'latest research' probably sounded off alarm bells. Alternatively, it was all of the work he had already done and where it 'seemed to be heading', they couldn't chance him stumbling on something, that got him bumped off. Clay was a free thinker, like Icke and others (I try lol), and I don't know how you assume they would all come up wth the same ideas. One of them could quite easily come up with something 'dangerously unique' at any moment, which is what probably happened to Clay. As jjinsane1 already pointed out to you, correctly predicitng what is 'going to go down' in the future certainly wouldn't cause much amusement in certain quarters. Best laid plans and all of that lark... ;) Finally, I wouldn't agree with your view on Icke 'carrying on regardless'. He has taken a lot of crap for what he has done and, while everyone can be assassinated at short notice if urgency requires it (Kelly, Palfrey, Eckert etc.), I would suggest that Icke exercises some caution in his life and isn't a top priority for them. I also think you'll find that when people are published authors there is less to be gained from eliminating them, perhaps even damage caused.

At the end of the day, there is always going to be a varying degree of doubt about whether someone has been murdered or not. I think that you have to go with the most logical and likely scenario over what can be 'proved', which most of the time has to be 'proved' within the system responsible for the dirty act in the first place. Otherwise, we'd all believe in the NIST WTC7 report, have faith in the noton that Bin Laden was the 9/11 mastermind and worry that muslim terrorists were out to get us every time we went for a walk. :)

[unlockthepower]

/\ Good post.

[saty]

Don't any of you even believe for an instant that Rik Clay killed himself. That is absolutely absurd. Rik Clay was MURDERED. Listen to him on Red Ice, then consider the fact that a few days later, he deleted his own blog, stopped posting on all forums, cut all contact with his friends, then shortly after committed suicide.... that's ridiculous. There is no way that is what happened.
Illuminati killed him because he knew too much, just listen to his interviews on youtube, he was a fantastic researcher.
Rick also mentioned the first guy(can't remember his name) who talked about project blue beam in 1990, he also got killed.
Illuminati are affraid of the truth and will do anything to supress it.

[pinkiepie]

Rik Clay was murdered, and his blog removed just like that.
Shame that if i get killed no one will care like this.
But they killed him because he revealed the connection between saturn/satan/demiurge.

[the_ohmbudsman]

Rik Clay was murdered, and his blog removed just like that.
Shame that if i get killed no one will care like this.
But they killed him because he revealed the connection between saturn/satan/demiurge.

I wonder why his family havn't straightened the record and chose to keep a mystery around his death!

[illuminumnuts]

I wonder why his family havn't straightened the record and chose to keep a mystery around his death!

Look, read through all the relevant threads in the Rik Clay forum, it's hard to miss them, and draw your own conclusions. I think you'll find that the majority of people are suspicious of his death, for obvious reasons, but you are free to think differently of course. I can't see what purpose 'continually' raising the circumstances of his death serves. I never knew Rik or traded forum posts with him, he was before my time here, but from what I can gather he would just want people to get on with it. Do you expect to make any headway with certainty? You won't do, unfortunately, as not everything is as simple as 9/11 and the video footage of WTC7 collapsing. If only it were... :(

[the_ohmbudsman]

Look, read through all the relevant threads in the Rik Clay forum, it's hard to miss them, and draw your own conclusions. I think you'll find that the majority of people are suspicious of his death, for obvious reasons, but you are free to think differently of course. I can't see what purpose 'continually' raising the circumstances of his death serves. I never knew Rik or traded forum posts with him, he was before my time here, but from what I can gather he would just want people to get on with it. Do you expect to make any headway with certainty? You won't do, unfortunately, as not everything is as simple as 9/11 and the video footage of WTC7 collapsing. If only it were... :(

Yes I have looked through all the threads and downloaded some of his talks/video's! I'm not sure about it all really, the issue is why havn't his family put on his web site information about how he died? Who runs his web-site now anyway?