Scientists extract images directly from brain.

[goldman]

Scientists extract images directly from brain

12 Dec 2008

Researchers from Japan’s ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have developed new brain analysis technology that can reconstruct the images inside a person’s mind and display them on a computer monitor, it was announced on December 11. According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people’s dreams while they sleep.

The scientists were able to reconstruct various images viewed by a person by analyzing changes in their cerebral blood flow. Using a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) machine, the researchers first mapped the blood flow changes that occurred in the cerebral visual cortex as subjects viewed various images held in front of their eyes. Subjects were shown 400 random 10 x 10 pixel black-and-white images for a period of 12 seconds each. While the fMRI machine monitored the changes in brain activity, a computer crunched the data and learned to associate the various changes in brain activity with the different image designs.

Then, when the test subjects were shown a completely new set of images, such as the letters N-E-U-R-O-N, the system was able to reconstruct and display what the test subjects were viewing based solely on their brain activity.

For now, the system is only able to reproduce simple black-and-white images. But Dr. Kang Cheng, a researcher from the RIKEN Brain Science Institute, suggests that improving the measurement accuracy will make it possible to reproduce images in color.

“These results are a breakthrough in terms of understanding brain activity,” says Dr. Cheng. “In as little as 10 years, advances in this field of research may make it possible to read a person’s thoughts with some degree of accuracy.”

The researchers suggest a future version of this technology could be applied in the fields of art and design — particularly if it becomes possible to quickly and accurately access images existing inside an artist’s head. The technology might also lead to new treatments for conditions such as psychiatric disorders involving hallucinations, by providing doctors a direct window into the mind of the patient.

ATR chief researcher Yukiyasu Kamitani says, “This technology can also be applied to senses other than vision. In the future, it may also become possible to read feelings and complicated emotional states.”

The research results appear in the December 11 issue of US science journal Neuron.

http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/national/news/CK2008121102000053.html

[dlb2007]

I have some tin foil hats for sale

[illuminati downfall]

If this goes far enough that images in our brains can be read accurately the implications of that could be terrible. In the NWO I can see them passing laws in which some of our very memories are crimes. The idea of people wearing tin foil on their heads to disrupt signals has been used several times in movies and tends to be laughed at, but wonder if maybe the movie makers were not so far off after all. :confused:

[marpat]

What this means is that they have to actually feed the image into your brain while measuring the brain patterns. These will differ for every person to some degree. They then monitor the brain for that pattern and flag up the corresponding image. It does not mean that they can just tap into your brain and start reading your thoughts.

[gorgeousgertie]

they are feeding us our thoughts anyway hehehe why are they packaging this and selling it to joe public now tho?

[kblood]

they are feeding us our thoughts anyway hehehe why are they packaging this and selling it to joe public now tho?

They arent, there is just more than one place researching this stuff. They have proved it possible that images can be taken out of our mind. I am sure Darpa wouldnt mind soldiers have visual feeds in one eye that shows what their team members are seeing with their own eyes.

[marpat]

They arent, there is just more than one place researching this stuff. They have proved it possible that images can be taken out of our mind. I am sure Darpa wouldnt mind soldiers have visual feeds in one eye that shows what their team members are seeing with their own eyes.

But why bother going to all that trouble to get images of what eyes are seeing when they can just use small cameras mounted in goggles that are networked together. Look at the sort of monacle an apache pilots uses. I think it would be bad to put too much information onto such a display as it could easily distract a soldier and what if it obscures their vision and they get killed.

[kblood]

But why bother going to all that trouble to get images of what eyes are seeing when they can just use small cameras mounted in goggles that are networked together. Look at the sort of monacle an apache pilots uses. I think it would be bad to put too much information onto such a display as it could easily distract a soldier and what if it obscures their vision and they get killed.

But their commander would be glad if he could use their eyes. If the cost benefit is there, or some other excuse, they would probably chip soldiers. No need for radios and all that stuff.

I guess it could have some good uses though, with this technology, maybe they can give sight back to the blind. Ought to give some clues as to how that would be possible, when knowing how the brain process our vision.

[hagbard_celine]

Our thoughts are our last bastion of freedom, the keep of the fortress.

I'll have one of those tin foil hats, I don't care if I look like a prick!:D

[marpat]

But their commander would be glad if he could use their eyes. If the cost benefit is there, or some other excuse, they would probably chip soldiers. No need for radios and all that stuff.

I guess it could have some good uses though, with this technology, maybe they can give sight back to the blind. Ought to give some clues as to how that would be possible, when knowing how the brain process our vision.

The thing is that technology breaks. If it is implanted in a person it needs surgery to replace. It is is mounted on a helmet then you replace the helmet. Which is cheaper, safer and easier?

Maybe they could give sight to the blind? that has already been done but that is a totally different situation.

[kblood]

The thing is that technology breaks. If it is implanted in a person it needs surgery to replace. It is is mounted on a helmet then you replace the helmet. Which is cheaper, safer and easier?

Maybe they could give sight to the blind? that has already been done but that is a totally different situation.

Actually the way it was done this time was with magnetics it seems. The technology that it could develop could probably be an artificial eye. The technology we know of is still far away from interacting with organic organism though, but then again it seems they have made chips that have been used in animals to control them. I guess the same can be done to humans.

I am not saying that it would be good for us, but it seems that is the direction we are going. Some day maybe people will even willingly have their limbs replaced to improve themselves.

[krakhead]

What this means is that they have to actually feed the image into your brain while measuring the brain patterns. These will differ for every person to some degree. They then monitor the brain for that pattern and flag up the corresponding image. It does not mean that they can just tap into your brain and start reading your thoughts.

Yet maybe. But it's a step in that direction isn't it? And surely not one any of us would want.

[marpat]

Yet maybe. But it's a step in that direction isn't it? And surely not one any of us would want.

Not everything is possible with electronics. I think that people see the great advances being made and think there are no limits to what can be achieved with devices but I do feel that there are some things electronic will not be able to do. It is easy to allow the imagination to think of such ideas but imagination is not limited by physical science.

Maybe that is the plan though, to convince people that they will eventually gain total control by such physical means when the human is considered by some to be far more than that. Will the spirit of people ever be completely laid bare by gadgets? I personally doubt it.

[hagbard_celine]

Not everything is possible with electronics. I think that people see the great advances being made and think there are no limits to what can be achieved with devices but I do feel that there are some things electronic will not be able to do. It is easy to allow the imagination to think of such ideas but imagination is not limited by physical science.

Maybe that is the plan though, to convince people that they will eventually gain total control by such physical means when the human is considered by some to be far more than that. Will the spirit of people ever be completely laid bare by gadgets? I personally doubt it.

The human spirit, at its deepest level, is of course beyond the juristiction of electronics!:p But what concerns me is that this technology could be used to control our experience on the physical level. The conscious, awake, ego-mind is a product of the workings of the workings of the physical brain and therefore it is possible that it can be controled by an external electronic device.

[krakhead]

Not everything is possible with electronics. I think that people see the great advances being made and think there are no limits to what can be achieved with devices but I do feel that there are some things electronic will not be able to do. It is easy to allow the imagination to think of such ideas but imagination is not limited by physical science.

Maybe that is the plan though, to convince people that they will eventually gain total control by such physical means when the human is considered by some to be far more than that. Will the spirit of people ever be completely laid bare by gadgets? I personally doubt it.

Although I see what you're saying, I think you've over-shot there. I though we were discussing the idea of government agencies being able to read your memories and/or thoughts?

I'm not talking about anything further, particularly not anything to do with anyone's 'spirit', not talking about 'controlling' anyone.

Just the idea that something that should be completely private unless I choose otherwise now has nowhere to hide.

Surely you can see the problem people would have with this?

[kblood]

Marpat, I am quite sure that they have been able to read thoughts for some time now with technology. Seems to me that capturing images is the step forward, and reading thoughts was the first thing to be perfected.

But I agree, its not all powerfull this technology. I am quite certain that however good these machines are, we are still better at adapting. Lie detectors can be fooled, and so can mind reading technology.

The most obvious way is to make thought non coherent, counting random numbers, making more static in the mind than usual. Still it seems unlikely to be target of technology like this unless they have been doing so over a long time. Like the people in the mind control / secret technology thread. Even this extracting of images from the brain is most likely old technology to some, perfected years ago. All public technology is just the surface, and when it comes to reading our mind, and brains in generel, there is quite alot of technology out there. Already there are controllers for computers controlled by the mind alone, DARPA has even made it possible for someone who is completely paralysed to get an artificial arm.

And I am quite sure that all public technology is something that has been around secretly for a long time.

Still there seems no reason to fear it. If we lived in fear of just half the stuff discussed on this forum, then it would be a full time occupation not worth wasting time on. Here and now in the present it shouldnt matter, but still I find it worth to keep in mind. To avoid too many surprises. Then again, secret technology shouldnt be something you run into now and then, so I guess it still is just feeding the paranoya to even think it possible. I think a little paranoya is always healthy though, best to be prepared.

[Ian2day]

This has both positive and negatives. How much emphasis will be placed on it serving people and not tptb.

[kblood]

This has both positive and negatives. How much emphasis will be placed on it serving people and not tptb.

As it is today, it still seems it will serve both. I dont believe tptb is planning mass genocide, since it just doesnt seem to pay off that well. That plan seems very flawed since everyone aware of plans like that would be the most likely ones to survive making it a alot less people, but those people being more aware of them. Seems like a plan that could backfire in many unforseen ways, even by tptb whatever they are.

If the powers that be are seeking to have even more control over the world, then they seem destined to be a few among the many, and always outnumbered. A small change of conciousness would be their end. To me tptb seems somewhat a loose term, just like the elite, but talking about the bigger agendas and the greater events going on, I guess its hard to pin down.

[Ian2day]

As it is today, it still seems it will serve both. I dont believe tptb is planning mass genocide, since it just doesnt seem to pay off that well. That plan seems very flawed since everyone aware of plans like that would be the most likely ones to survive making it a alot less people, but those people being more aware of them. Seems like a plan that could backfire in many unforseen ways, even by tptb whatever they are.

If the powers that be are seeking to have even more control over the world, then they seem destined to be a few among the many, and always outnumbered. A small change of conciousness would be their end. To me tptb seems somewhat a loose term, just like the elite, but talking about the bigger agendas and the greater events going on, I guess its hard to pin down.

The reason I use "tptb" is because there is many different factions who have the power to do virtually as they wish. The aligence of those that are in these differing groups can be due to religious, race, spurutual, political reasons etc. So its easier to just say "tptb" as this is a more generic if you want term of identification for those that have some power and are a collective.

[kblood]

The reason I use "tptb" is because there is many different factions who have the power to do virtually as they wish. The aligence of those that are in these differing groups can be due to religious, race, spurutual, political reasons etc. So its easier to just say "tptb" as this is a more generic if you want term of identification for those that have some power and are a collective.

Yea, seems we need terms like that to be able to put words on it.

[hagbard_celine]

This has both positive and negatives. How much emphasis will be placed on it serving people and not tptb.

That's a rhetorical question right?;):D

It's always this question though. There's nothning inhearntly evil with being able read thoughts electronically, nor is there with cashless retail, Digital TV, nuclear energy etc. All are useful engineering achievements that don't have to be used for evil purposes. The danger is that they lie in the hands of irresponsible and malevalent people.

[justpassinthrew]

What this means is that they have to actually feed the image into your brain while measuring the brain patterns. These will differ for every person to some degree. They then monitor the brain for that pattern and flag up the corresponding image. It does not mean that they can just tap into your brain and start reading your thoughts.


From this ..

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10216090.jpg


To this..

http://www.erabeyondradar.com/images/stories/photos/Fighter-Jet.jpg



Technoligy has a funny way of evolving. Especially when used for the suppresion of people in the pursuit of power.

[hagbard_celine]

From this ..

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10216090.jpg


To this..

http://www.erabeyondradar.com/images/stories/photos/Fighter-Jet.jpg



Technoligy has a funny way of evolving. Especially when used for the suppresion of people in the pursuit of power.

True words:), and what's more a lot of that evolution is kept secret from those being supressed. Compared to secret technology, that jet fighter would be hanging up in the same exhibition as the Wright Flyer.:eek: