American Freemen

[tonak]

Any sucessful freemen on the land in america? ive seen alot of account where people are trying to use the status and just getting fucked by the system anyway.

Also are there any specific resources for practicing the freemen philosophy in america that i could review...

any information would be greatly appreciated...

Much love

[malvern]

Winston Shrout......
Beatleha.........
Mary Croft.....





freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[pdcdp]

you don't get FOTL in america, different system, doesn't apply.....

they have to become a sovereign instead (i think)...

[tonak]

but it is the same concept correct?

My biggest question is would have to be. according to Rob. in Canada you can use your birth certificate bond to pay off your schooling and other things of the sort. Does this apply in america, and if so how does it apply?

[measle_weasel]

Im interested in how this works in the US too.

[yozhik]

From what I can see, there is a huge misunderstanding of two separate concepts. Those being;

1. Freeman-on-the-land

2. Commercial Redemption


Our American brothers and sisters appear to be fixated with the second option; if referring to Winston Shrout, et al, then this is pertaining to commercial redemption.

This should not be confused with the Freeman approach as actioned and heralded by the likes of Rob Menard, et al.

There appears to be a third option researched by some, that being the combination of 1. and 2.

If you do not comprehend the difference between 1. and 2. then your research is far from complete :)

Peace and respect


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[measle_weasel]

I havnt heard of commercial redemption. Sounds like something to get out of debt.

[yozhik]

I havnt heard of commercial redemption. Sounds like something to get out of debt.

Commercial redemption, in theory, is a way in which to operate in the private/credit/unilimted side, as opposed to the public/debt/limited side, by controlling the use of the debt instruments created in your name.

Lots to watch, read and comprehend on this subject ...


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[measle_weasel]

I am very new to this whole subject. Could you explain some of the basic things that would be lost and gained by becoming a sovereign state citizen?

[yozhik]

Might be worth grabbing a couple of law dictionaries to look up the definition of "name" ... you might find that the use of that word in this context is OK.

But, that's not the purpose of this post.

Why would you claim to be a "Sovereign State Citizen" ?
I'm genuinely interested; specifically in your perceived advantages of being a citizen.
Maybe I've missed something along the, but from my research, being a "citizen" is one of the labels I am hoping to avoid.

This would also be the first time I have seen the word citizen used in reference to a Freeman.
What have I overlooked ?

Peace and respect.


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[yozhik]

Seems we're both looking for the same end goal, so not sure why we have to butt heads to get there.

A citizen is given rights.
A man has rights.

My question was a genuine one; why would you desire to be a citizen?
Why would want to put yourself in a position to be given that which you already have, if you know who you are?

Why would we aspire to be something that the founders envisioned?
Why would we not be what God made us?

I'm not ridiculing you; far from it.
I applaud your passion and desire ... although I fear it may be a little clouded by uber-patriotism to something that doesn't exist.
Grasping onto a fiction that the school books and disinfo rhetoric have told us to believe.

Don't you think it strange that the document which is supposedly evidence of victory over the British, was actually written by the King? Is there any other example of the defeated party writing the terms of surrender? At any time in history? Don't you find that a little strange?

The United States is still a British Colony.

Resource 1: http://www.atgpress.com/kifap/britcol/b1.htm

Resource 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpESn0mxSdk

Resource 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwWcp9eiPw

You're right ... we all want out of this fiction and tyranny.
So, let's work together and leave patriotism where it belongs.
After all, we're all equal and all children of God, aren't we?
All land is a gift from the Creator.
Borders and nationalism are the creation of government and corporate entities.

Peace and respect.


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[ipso facto]

After all, we're all equal and all children of God, aren't we?
All land is a gift from the Creator.


Are we? Is it?

[yozhik]

Are we? Is it?

What does your heart tell you?

[steven1]

I didn't know you were a god botherer Yozhik, that explains your disbelief in science.;)

toldyouso*

[yozhik]

1. How did you reach those assumptions?

2. Your memory is appalling; your propensity to spin, distort, derail and lie is second to none on this forum.

The statement you are poorly referring to - once again for your benefit - was as follows;


My intent is accurately preserved in those few words.
"I do not worship the false idol of science."

If you want to quote me; those are the words to quote.
That is the statement you can attribute to me; anything authored by you, is not attributable to me.

It's a very simple concept to grasp.

[steven1]

1. How did you reach those assumptions?

2. Your memory is appalling; your propensity to spin, distort, derail and lie is second to none on this forum.

The statement you are poorly referring to - once again for your benefit - was as follows;

How did you come to the assumption that I made those assumptions
Originally Posted by yozhik View Post
After all, we're all equal and all children of God, aren't we?
All land is a gift from the Creator.
that statement makes you a god botherer in my book anyway
roundandroundwego*

[yozhik]

How did you come to the assumption that I made those assumptions
Did someone else make them for you?

that statement makes you a god botherer in my book anyway
roundandroundwego*

Obviously a piece of fiction ...
:rolleyes:


Clue: a statement doesn't end in a question mark.
;)

[steven1]

do you believe in God yozhik?

thaytsmypersonalbusinessandnothingtodowithyou*

[yozhik]

thaytsmypersonalbusinessandnothingtodowithyou*

Why ask when you have already given the answer?
Stop derailing the thread.

[not_my_government]

There is only one way out for U.S. citizens. Leave your legal master! www.notmygovernment.us

Redemption is nonsense. Doesn't work. Had me all mixed up for the last 7 yrs.