Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican

[king]

i got this in email

i do not know if it is true, but i found this interview on the net.
either way -- you be the judge:
http://across.co.nz/AlienRights07.html


Interview with a Mexican (not a joke)

Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican



This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to defend.



On the streets of downtown Houston , May 1, 2006. Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:



Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?



Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will bring Houston to its knees!



Jim: What rights?



Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the benefits you get.



Jim: When did you come to the United States?



Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven other friends.



Jim: Why did you come?



Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in Mexico . Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!



Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you came?



Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green Cards.



Jim: How did you acquire those documents?



Juan: From a guy in Dallas . He charged me a lot of money too.



Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?



Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.



Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?



Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read it!



Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about rights for Aliens.



Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights, like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came here.



Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and that document speaks to unalienable rights ... Not Alien rights.



Juan: Whatever.



Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are you carrying a Mexican Flag?



Juan: Because I am Mexican.



Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty ... To become a US citizen.



Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful owner.



Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas . After winning the war with Mexico , Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA . It was not stolen from Mexico .



Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California , New Mexico and Arizona . It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.



Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?



Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China . I see them all over the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans out. How is this fair?



Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.



Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and speak their native language where ever and whenever they please. That's another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!



Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper documentation, what rights would I have there?



Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.



Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live wherever they please.



Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico . Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.



Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue. Thank you for your comments.



Juan : Viva Mexico !



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there you have it.

too bad neither party knows that this conflict by the design, a very clever NWO agenda that is unfolding day after day

[i am all i am]

Neo

I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid.

You're afraid of us, you're afraid of change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you how this is going to begin.

Now, I'm going to hang up this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see.

I'm going to show them a world without you...a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world...where anything is possible.

Where we go from there...is a choice I leave to you...



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[teslafire]

Is that what you write when you've got nothing to say?

;)

I got rear ended by an illegal in a parking lot the other day.
He didn't have insurance so he just skipped right along while I have a busted fender.

[cycles of time]

most "mexicans" coming over the border are the poor indiginious americans.


just as "American" is a Nationality, and NOT a ETHNICITY..."Mexican" is a nationality ,and not a ethnicity.


Native American is a ETHNICITY,a RACE, a BLOODLINE..and thats what most "mexicans" coming over the border are

how the hell are you going to tell me that these people are EUROPEANS.
youve really gotta be stupit:

http://www.pathwaystohope.org/mexican%20children.jpg

http://www.magiccitymedia.com/user/Mexican%20violinist.jpg



basically what it boils down to is this:


Protestant Europeans came to America, finished off the indiginious population, pushed the remaining Natives onto reservations ,or south over the border into Mexico. And those people have always migrated with the seasons. I've lived in the Southwest USA, I've learned plenty.


The Immigration Debate: SuperNews! - YouTube

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actually according to Indiginious American law, EUROPEANS are here ILLEGALLY.
I am part Spanish (Spain) and i have no problem pointing it out, because logic always wins in my mind.

Europeans are from Europe. That is your homeland.

Once again ,most mexicans coming over the border are Indiginious Americans,meaning they were here thousands of years before Europeans.


Stop being greedy selfish Americans for a minute.

And anyway, less then half of all illegals in America are actually from Mexico, the Rest are from EUROPE and ASIA and RUSSIA.

And besides that,"illegal mexicans" do the majority of construction work,food harvesting,and janitorial work in America. THE MAJORITY. that means they make this country FUNCTION. their work accounts for more then a 100 billion dollars a year into the ECONOMY, yet they only draw something like 20 billion a year from the system. Don't you think they are paying their rent??

DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU, AND THE WEAK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.

on the other hand, the majority of people on welfare and receiving unemployment in america are...white europeans. FACT.

and did you know that white collar medical insurance fraud committed by..white americans,usually doctors,accounts for over a 100 billion dollars a year. that means white americans steal over 100 billion dollars a year..and thats just medical insurance fraud. you want to fix up america..fix up the europeans.

[tinmenace]

They've deliberately left the borders unmanned and unprotected. Then they instigate hatred within Americans against these people to further divide humanity.

They're playing us like fools.

I like Mexicans, there are many around my city. They all work hard, they love their families, they take care of their children, they're friendly and sweet, and I don't have an issue with them.


Good quote there IAAIA, in fact I was going to post that if you hadn't done it first.

Scallywag! http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8071/coolsmileygp1.gif

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The Immigration Debate: SuperNews! - YouTube

[cycles of time]

They've deliberately left the borders unmanned and unprotected. Then they instigate hatred within Americans against these people to further divide humanity.





europeans have always started racial problems in america..look at the mass genocide of indiginious americans..the ancestors of the same people crossing the "border",which is just an invisible line in ancient sand.

look at slavery.


please,ever since european invasion, the americas have been doomed.
they are the ones who cause the problems plain and simple.

i'm part european, my wife is all european. yet we still use logic and we see who started the problems,and who is still self righteous.

[stikmata]

Illegal Mexicans?!?!?

how exactly does a Mexican become illegal?

I think i might be detecting a little bit of a bias.

Ese

[john white]

They've deliberately left the borders unmanned and unprotected. Then they instigate hatred within Americans against these people to further divide humanity.

They're playing us like fools.

I like Mexicans, there are many around my city. They all work hard, they love their families, they take care of their children, they're friendly and sweet, and I don't have an issue with them.


Good quote there IAAIA, in fact I was going to post that if you hadn't done it first.

Scallywag! http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8071/coolsmileygp1.gif


They certainly are: borders are Illusions

[i am all i am]

Good quote there IAAIA, in fact I was going to post that if you hadn't done it first.

Scallywag! http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8071/coolsmileygp1.gif


Thank you gorgeous. I love that quote.

Claiming land ownership is a ridiculous human practice.

If I pick up the dirt from person A's property and move it onto person B's property, who now owns that dirt, or piece of land, that I moved ???

When fences or walls are built to keep others out, they merely imprison the builders behind their fence or wall.



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[nessa felagund]

This whole "illegal immigration" issue us just another smokescreen to take our focus off of the real issues facing our world today. I live in a US state that borders Mexico, and people have been coming across the border illegally as long as I can remember.

These people aren't the problem. However, I do think they are being exploited as a form of cheap labor. But then again, they themselves point out that conditions are better here than in their own country. Who can blame them for trying to make a better life for themselves and their family? I certainly don't.

Americans need to stay focused on the real issues that concern our world--such as the corrupt leadership, the illegal war in Iraq, the murder of innocent children, etc. etc. etc.

The ptb really love to see us fighting amongst ourselves rather than holding them accountable for all of their crimes.

[tinmenace]

Right! They make it impossible for them to get onto the grid, in essence forcing them to break the law for the sake of simple survival, and then demonize them for it.

[king]

This whole "illegal immigration" issue us just another smokescreen to take our focus off of the real issues facing our world today. I live in a US state that borders Mexico, and people have been coming across the border illegally as long as I can remember.

These people aren't the problem. However, I do think they are being exploited as a form of cheap labor. But then again, they themselves point out that conditions are better here than in their own country. Who can blame them for trying to make a better life for themselves and their family? I certainly don't.

Americans need to stay focused on the real issues that concern our world--such as the corrupt leadership, the illegal war in Iraq, the murder of innocent children, etc. etc. etc.

The ptb really love to see us fighting amongst ourselves rather than holding them accountable for all of their crimes.


right, like i said in my original post -- both parties are played against each other and that is obvious that you do not even have to read Jacque Attali's "Millennium; Winners and Losers in the Coming Order".

from the quoted book:

Picture a world filled with select "rich nomads" roaming the world spending money and hordes of "poor nomads" endlessly migrating in search of goods beyond their reach. This is but one of Attali's descriptions of the next world order. This diverse author/thinker has produced a future view more disturbing, controversial, and gloomy than found in other futurist works, such as Taichi Sakaiya's The Knowledge-Value Revolution ( LJ 8/91) and Alvin Toffler's Future Shock ( LJ 7/70). Attali predicts a new economic order (likely to be in Europe or the Pacific Rim), instant communication, a warming, polluted atmosphere, and a bitter division between "winners and losers." His provocative, unsettling vision of a future world will startle and sober readers, and should be of interest to business leader/futurist thinkers and concerned laypeople. Recommended for larger libraries.

that condition of "endlessly migrating nomads" will be created by that issue of illegal aliens who look for jobs and Americans who will see those illegal aliens as those who are steeling their jobs. And, since the "job security" (ha, ha) is the basis of American society, this frequently repeated mantra will polarize Americans against illegals.

Once again, the finger will be pointed to another group of people who just like all the rest groups of people in not so distant past (Germans, Japanese, Russians, Communists, Muslims...) will be perceived as not only a threat but destroyers of "American lifestyle" and "liberty, freedoms and SECURITY".

"it is those darn Mexicans who stole our jobs"

this is yet another Problem in P.R.S. methodology.
unfortunately, it escapes average American brain that Americans may become those wandering nomads who are looking for the jobs, from town to town, or even across the border.
it sure does not look good.
one day not too far from now when oil prices go through the roof and when Americans can no longer afford to fill in their SUV so that they can go to work -- the very "American lifestyle" will become far-away dream.

"Illegal aliens" are just one of the tools that globalists are already using against U.S., so that U.S. can be brought down to a level of semi-developed European nation.

And considering the amount of fat cars, fat houses and fat asses in U.S.A. -- i cannot say that i feel bad
for "downsizing".
If the rest of the world can live by their means -- why would Americans be so special?

I begin to believe that some of the changes that globalists are trying to impose are not that bad.
on a planet with finite resources -- why would we use up more and more of those?

decades ago, American families lived in lot smaller houses, somewhere in neighborhood of 1200 SQ feet, not 2500 Sq feet house (250 SQ meters) which are not enough nowadays for a family of 4 or 5?

c-mon - get real!
who needs a 5000 SQ foot house for a family of 4?
But, i know quite a few people who either have such house or work towards it.

[umbrex]

[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Century Gothic"]They've deliberately left the borders unmanned and unprotected. Then they instigate hatred within Americans against these people to further divide humanity.

They're playing us like fools.


Could it be that they dont give a shit due to the fact that the north american union will be implemented in a few years ?!

[tinmenace]

Could be. Hard to say really.

I know a lot of Mexican people and they are more patriotic toward the USA than a lot of Americans. Grateful to be here. Don't want to hear bad stuff about the government, etc.

I would not describe them as "Not giving a shit".

[tru3]

[QUOTE=king;53526]right, like i said in my original post -- both parties are played against each other and that is obvious that you do not even have to read Jacque Attali's "Millennium; Winners and Losers in the Coming Order".


that condition of "endlessly migrating nomads" will be created by that issue of illegal aliens who look for jobs and Americans who will see those illegal aliens as those who are steeling their jobs. And, since the "job security" (ha, ha) is the basis of American society, this frequently repeated mantra will polarize Americans against illegals.

Once again, the finger will be pointed to another group of people who just like all the rest groups of people in not so distant past (Germans, Japanese, Russians, Communists, Muslims...) will be perceived as not only a threat but destroyers of "American lifestyle" and "liberty, freedoms and SECURITY".

"it is those darn Mexicans who stole our jobs"

http://www.nascocorridor.com/new_home_images/nasco_home_page_09.jpg

this is yet another Problem in P.R.S. methodology.
unfortunately, it escapes average American brain that Americans may become those wandering nomads who are looking for the jobs, from town to town, or even across the border.
it sure does not look good.
one day not too far from now when oil prices go through the roof and when Americans can no longer afford to fill in their SUV so that they can go to work -- the very "American lifestyle" will become far-away dream.

"Illegal aliens" are just one of the tools that globalists are already using against U.S., so that U.S. can be brought down to a level of semi-developed European nation.

migration will be encouraged because kontrol knows that all the limitations are subjective beliefs.

wherever we go, we have to take ourselves with us.

people will continue to re-create what is in their consciousness.

north america, will become a virtual prison (virtual in the sense of invisible to the touch, of a subtle energetic nature), sort of like a giant island "escape from new york" type institution.

And considering the amount of fat cars, fat houses and fat asses in U.S.A. -- i cannot say that i feel bad
for "downsizing".
If the rest of the world can live by their means -- why would Americans be so special?

everyone is leveraged to the nines. most american families are less than six weeks away from living in a van down by the river. i see them every day in my work.

I begin to believe that some of the changes that globalists are trying to impose are not that bad.
on a planet with finite resources -- why would we use up more and more of those?

sorry, have to disagree with you here. the globalists would burn the village to the ground in order to save it (remember "success is the accomplishment of the necessary"? just win, baby. ;))

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decades ago, American families lived in lot smaller houses, somewhere in neighborhood of 1200 SQ feet, not 2500 Sq feet house (250 SQ meters) which are not enough nowadays for a family of 4 or 5?

c-mon - get real!
who needs a 5000 SQ foot house for a family of 4?
But, i know quite a few people who either have such house or work towards it.

you know, i'm in the design business, and i have a theory how that's going to turn out...

in about 36 months, when interest rates go through the roof, the dollar falls, all these "mcmansions" are going to be carved up into apartments, just like the painted ladies were about 100 years ago. trust me, if things continue to drag out, in a decade, there'll be a few gated communities and the rest just sprawling burbs, like in sao paulo or buenos aires.

[umbrex]

Could be. Hard to say really.

I know a lot of Mexican people and they are more patriotic toward the USA than a lot of Americans. Grateful to be here. Don't want to hear bad stuff about the government, etc.

I would not describe them as "Not giving a shit".

To tell you the truth i question the authenticity of the first post.

But to stay on topic. By allowing the mexicans in you more or less create the foundation for the destruction of the middleclass, since the vagers will plunge. About 1 million mexicans enter the US yearly. No economy can outlast that. On a sidenote i saw a clip from Geraldo where he defends the mexican immigrants and their rights to be here. The thing was that this mexcian he defended had commiteed multible fellonies including murder in the US. Why stand up for such a guy ? (On fox ofc)
IT should be no problem for the US to keep them out unless there is an intrest in keeping them comming. So lets use this hypothesis as a base.

Why would the US be interested in having mexicans in ?

To keep the economy going short term
To destroy the economy long term
Because they like hispanics (wtf lolz?)
Since the union is being implemented it's a hazzle not worth starting
Destroying middleclass america
Having a basis for a nation where the middleclass has to take whatever shitty job they can offer (a nation of slaves)
The possibiliity that an integrated union would be better of in the global competition (lower wages)

Anything to add ?
Else just pick your favourite. I can't tell u how happy i am to be born in denmark!

[tinmenace]

To tell you the truth i question the authenticity of the first post.

But to stay on topic. By allowing the mexicans in you more or less create the foundation for the destruction of the middleclass, since the vagers will plunge. About 1 million mexicans enter the US yearly. No economy can outlast that. On a sidenote i saw a clip from Geraldo where he defends the mexican immigrants and their rights to be here. The thing was that this mexcian he defended had commiteed multible fellonies including murder in the US. Why stand up for such a guy ? (On fox ofc)
IT should be no problem for the US to keep them out unless there is an intrest in keeping them comming. So lets use this hypothesis as a base.

Why would the US be interested in having mexicans in ?

To keep the economy going short term
To destroy the economy long term
Because they like hispanics (wtf lolz?)
Since the union is being implemented it's a hazzle not worth starting
Destroying middleclass america
Having a basis for a nation where the middleclass has to take whatever shitty job they can offer (a nation of slaves)
The possibiliity that an integrated union would be better of in the global competition (lower wages)

Anything to add ?
Else just pick your favourite. I can't tell u how happy i am to be born in denmark!





Justifying the obliteration of human rights for the sake of economy is loomie talk.

[cycles of time]

To tell you the truth i question the authenticity of the first post.

But to stay on topic. By allowing the mexicans in you more or less create the foundation for the destruction of the middleclass, since the vagers will plunge. About 1 million mexicans enter the US yearly. No economy can outlast that. On a sidenote i saw a clip from Geraldo where he defends the mexican immigrants and their rights to be here. The thing was that this mexcian he defended had commiteed multible fellonies including murder in the US. Why stand up for such a guy ? (On fox ofc)
IT should be no problem for the US to keep them out unless there is an intrest in keeping them comming. So lets use this hypothesis as a base.

Why would the US be interested in having mexicans in ?

To keep the economy going short term
To destroy the economy long term
Because they like hispanics (wtf lolz?)
Since the union is being implemented it's a hazzle not worth starting
Destroying middleclass america
Having a basis for a nation where the middleclass has to take whatever shitty job they can offer (a nation of slaves)
The possibiliity that an integrated union would be better of in the global competition (lower wages)

Anything to add ?
Else just pick your favourite. I can't tell u how happy i am to be born in denmark!




in a country of 300 million,do you really think 6-8 million indiginous americans(they have been in the americas for over 12,000 years) ,who have been doing the majority of the food harvesting and contruction work for decades, is going to really make a difference?

the destruction of the middleclass is based on: DEBT: SUV's, multiple cars, extravagant home loans with high interest that cant be paid back, extravagant car loans, shopping addictions,drug addictions,gambling (have you ever been to a casino in america???), credit cards with high interest,high cost of healthcare,high cost of college tuition and college loans with high interest, outsourcing of jobs by AMERICAN companies to other countries such as India. THAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLECLASS OF AMERICA. not indiginious americans who have been coming into america "illegally" since the 1800's, but no one made a problem of until 9/11 on 2001, when WHITE AMERICA became scared of BROWN PEOPLE. stop using Indiginious Americans as the scapegoat to the fact that WHITE AMERICA FAILED.

DID YOU KNOW THAT AMERICA IS 18 or 19 in the world for EDUCATION. that is not the fault of mexican migrant farmers, who have been picking and serving our food for decades. That is the fault of lazy,spoiled,ignorant white america, plain and simple.

i majored in business in college, i recognize that more immigration will lead to more services which in turn will lead to more employment,which can only be good for the economy long term. also, the children of immigrants tend to go to college, and get advanced degrees.

i am happy you are in denmark, america really doesnt need any more cultureless,clueless euros!

[cycles of time]

[QUOTE]


in about 36 months, when interest rates go through the roof, the dollar falls, all these "mcmansions" are going to be carved up into apartments, just like the painted ladies were about 100 years ago. trust me, if things continue to drag out, in a decade, there'll be a few gated communities and the rest just sprawling burbs, like in sao paulo or buenos aires.



thats already happening here in the suburbs of NYC,especially staten island brooklyn and queens.

you will see this grand house easily worth a million or so, but once inside, you will realize its split into 3, or sometimes 4 apartments.

[umbrex]

in a country of 300 million,do you really think 6-8 million indiginous americans(they have been in the americas for over 12,000 years) ,who have been doing the majority of the food harvesting and contruction work for decades, is going to really make a difference?

the destruction of the middleclass is based on: DEBT: SUV's, multiple cars, extravagant home loans with high interest that cant be paid back, extravagant car loans, shopping addictions,drug addictions,gambling (have you ever been to a casino in america???), credit cards with high interest,high cost of healthcare,high cost of college tuition and college loans with high interest, outsourcing of jobs by AMERICAN companies to other countries such as India. THAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLECLASS OF AMERICA. not indiginious americans who have been coming into america "illegally" since the 1800's, but no one made a problem of until 9/11 on 2001, when WHITE AMERICA became scared of BROWN PEOPLE. stop using Indiginious Americans as the scapegoat to the fact that WHITE AMERICA FAILED.

DID YOU KNOW THAT AMERICA IS 18 or 19 in the world for EDUCATION. that is not the fault of mexican migrant farmers, who have been picking and serving our food for decades. That is the fault of lazy,spoiled,ignorant white america, plain and simple.

i majored in business in college, i recognize that more immigration will lead to more services which in turn will lead to more employment,which can only be good for the economy long term. also, the children of immigrants tend to go to college, and get advanced degrees.

i am happy you are in denmark, america really doesnt need any more cultureless,clueless euros!

haha, looks like we have an american on our hands.

Well m8, i didnt give them the entire blame. But they are a big part of the problem. Of course it doesnt stand alone and yes, a couple of million wont make an impact. But over 10 years it will!


i majored in business in college, i recognize that more immigration will lead to more services which in turn will lead to more employment,which can only be good for the economy long term. also, the children of immigrants tend to go to college, and get advanced degrees.


And you really believe this ?
Do you think that every mexican out there will experience "the american dream" or just a part of it ?
Mexicans are one of the things slowly eating up your country from the inside and i cant see your post as anything more then an outburst of frustration to prove me wrong, when u apparently don't have the insight to realize how much of a problem it can be, and will be if nothing is done fast

With all that capslocking i must assume that you are a christian, wellfounded in your beliefs.

[cycles of time]

Mexicans are one of the things slowly eating up your country from the inside



the only things eating up america from the inside are traditional european greed,european values, self righteous anglos, traditional european scapegoating and most of all:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/59/5854358detail550od5.jpg



remember, europe was NOTHING until it raped the americas and the indiginious americans.

once again, tell me why America , where Anglos are majority, is ranked 18 in the world for education, and getting worse? its not the illegal mexicans (whom only account for less then half of all illegals),and whose educational achievements arent even noticed such as this:


Illegal students await immigration plan

http://www.silive.com/newsflash/washington/index.ssf?/base/politics-12/118089058429760.xml&storylist=washington

WASHINGTON (AP) — At 23, Mariana should be carefree. She is finishing up her undergraduate degree at the University of California, Los Angeles, and has been accepted to a master's program at Harvard University's education school.

But life is not so simple for Mariana, who insisted that only her first name be published because she is illegally in the United States and worries she could be deported to Guatemala, where she was born.

"I'm even afraid of eating an apple in the library because I'm afraid of getting caught," she said.

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once again,white america is using mexicans as a scapegoat ,just as it blamed african slaves for all its problems, even though those african slaves BUILT america.

[tru3]

haha, looks like we have an american on our hands.

Well m8, i didnt give them the entire blame. But they are a big part of the problem. Of course it doesnt stand alone and yes, a couple of million wont make an impact. But over 10 years it will!



And you really believe this ?
Do you think that every mexican out there will experience "the american dream" or just a part of it ?
Mexicans are one of the things slowly eating up your country from the inside and i cant see your post as anything more then an outburst of frustration to prove me wrong, when u apparently don't have the insight to realize how much of a problem it can be, and will be if nothing is done fast


With all that capslocking i must assume that you are a christian, wellfounded in your beliefs.

first of all, since i'm also an american, let me tell you from personal experience that the american dream is a royal scam. non-americans seem to think this is the land of peaches and cream; it's not, it's just that our hand-cuffs are fur-lined and don't chafe as bad.

illegal immigration won't end because corporatism needs cheap labor, and the only way it can get it right now is from outside the borders. the republicans owned congress for a dozen years and didn't do jack shit about it.

this country was bought and sold over 100 years ago. what's eating this country from the inside out is alienation and apathy, imo.

[auron]

"The American Dream" - You have to be asleep to believe in it! :D

[cincygirl]

This is a very interesting thread!! So my heritage is English and Italian...but I was born in America...actually I'm 3rd generation. So does that make me a displaced European?? If so, I am more than ready to go back to Italy if anyone wants to come and save me from the American dream that is a fairytale.....I actually wrote a blog on the American Dream that doesn't exsist....maybe I should copy it and post it in a thread here....

[auron]

I actually wrote a blog on the American Dream that doesn't exsist....maybe I should copy it and post it in a thread here....

Yeah man! I'd have a read of that! :)

[cincygirl]

Ok, first I have to figure out how to start a thread! :D and keep in mind that this is just my opinion....

[cincygirl]

I figured it out! It's posted! :)

[umbrex]

the only things eating up america from the inside are traditional european greed,european values, self righteous anglos, traditional european scapegoating and most of all:

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remember, europe was NOTHING until it raped the americas and the indiginious americans.

once again, tell me why America , where Anglos are majority, is ranked 18 in the world for education, and getting worse? its not the illegal mexicans (whom only account for less then half of all illegals),and whose educational achievements arent even noticed such as this:


Illegal students await immigration plan

http://www.silive.com/newsflash/washington/index.ssf?/base/politics-12/118089058429760.xml&storylist=washington

WASHINGTON (AP) — At 23, Mariana should be carefree. She is finishing up her undergraduate degree at the University of California, Los Angeles, and has been accepted to a master's program at Harvard University's education school.

But life is not so simple for Mariana, who insisted that only her first name be published because she is illegally in the United States and worries she could be deported to Guatemala, where she was born.

"I'm even afraid of eating an apple in the library because I'm afraid of getting caught," she said.

First u say this:


the destruction of the middleclass is based on: DEBT: SUV's, multiple cars, extravagant home loans with high interest that cant be paid back, extravagant car loans, shopping addictions,drug addictions,gambling (have you ever been to a casino in america???), credit cards with high interest,high cost of healthcare,high cost of college tuition and college loans with high interest, outsourcing of jobs by AMERICAN companies to other countries such as India. THAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLECLASS OF AMERICA.


This makes sense. After all, the US has been an independent country for about 250 years right ? You have you constitution and a well founded base for an independent identity.

Then i write some sftuff about mexicans which makes you react and write this:

the only things eating up america from the inside are traditional european greed,european values, self righteous anglos, traditional european scapegoating and most of all.

Now you swing the blame stick at Europe, claiming that we have corrupted your country with our values. What kind of BS is this ? Honestly, is this your explanation to the state of your country ?
Don't you think it's a bit being in denial, not wanting to face facts and tossing the bad things on the Europeans ?
Imo your statements are contra dictionary and only goes to show how alot of americans react when faced with the problems at hand: They blame someone else.

And now this:

remember, europe was NOTHING until it raped the americas and the indiginious americans.

Honestly i think you must be a product of that educational system you mention. Or is it merely another reaction i wonder. Europe is the base of modern culture and civilization. Yes, we weren't anything really 500 years ago. We were even less 1000 years ago. It's called progression and it's a good thing.
And before the americas there was Africa, India and vast parts of India which helped to found the base of our civilization. So no, the US iisnt the main reason why we developed.

once again, tell me why America , where Anglos are majority, is ranked 18 in the world for education, and getting worse?

I guess this is our fault right ?
It seems to me you are new to the conspiracy stuff, but you need to do some serious digging m8. The reason why the educational system is in so poor condition is coming straight from the white house. The deteration of you educational system is another self inflicted wound with the purpose of making the American population less educated. It's an ongoing conditioning to serve the purpose of the agenda. Bush has made alot of blows to the educational standards. How can anyone in their right mind decide that god created earth and then ommiting some theory in regards of black matter is a sign of god exists and publishing educational material with this implemented.
U have to face the music, your country is in a terrible state. U guys have for me been the knight in the white horse. The knight fell of long long ago so to speak. The realization of this is a major step, even though - especially for Americans, it can be very hard since it's your entire reality u need to revise.

[wheresmyparachute]

I never thought I'd ever have an issue with any race until I moved into my house in Northern California. I've worked with Latino people, loved my freindships with them but there is a different kind of Latino folk that is different from the ones I have known in the city. I live in a rural area where there is a different kind of Latino behavior and it is evident that if something isn't addressed soon, these people are going to lose it.

We have a lot of beautiful Latino people here. We have a Latino family (never refer to them as "Mexican"...) living on the corner. They house about a dozen workers at their house off and on during the year. They block off the entire street with their festivities, they will park their beaten up old cars anywhere. They have an attitude as if they own the place. When I drive home they snear at me and turn away. Even the children have angry faces. I don't understand it, I'm the best trick or treat house on the block and have always been good to the kids. The family is wealthy, drive mercedez and lexus, own real estate, kids are beautifully dressed, have the latest and greatest toys, go to private catholic school...etc. I have come to find out that they feel that they own this block and would have preferred to have all of their family move here.

I just learned about the mexican mafia which is pretty big around here also.

I live alone so with all of the riff raff going on (drugs in the hood...) I had to get a big dog so I could sleep at night. The Latino family on the corner also brought home a pitt bull and chained it to the front tree. It was a puppy and cried all of the time, never getting off of the chain. I never really liked that breed but felt so sad for the dog. I finally called the city and they never did anything about it. One day the Latino's pitt bull got off of the chain and came over to my house. I escorted the dog back to the house and reluctantly put it back on its chain. A few days later I had a knock on my door at 11:00 at night. Edwardo... the oldest brother who was visiting from Mexico came over to find out if I was trying to steal their dog. He was drunk and I assured him that I was just trying to help, telling him that his dog must have gotten off of his chain on his own. He insisted that his sister thought I was stealing the dog and told me to stay off of his property. There is more than a cultural difference going on here. The next week their children were playing in my driveway and picking roses off of my bushes again. It's a weird situation... I can't wait to move!!!!

[king]

I never thought I'd ever have an issue with any race until I moved into my house in Northern California. I've worked with Latino people, loved my freindships with them but there is a different kind of Latino folk that is different from the ones I have known in the city. I live in a rural area where there is a different kind of Latino behavior and it is evident that if something isn't addressed soon, these people are going to lose it.

We have a lot of beautiful Latino people here. We have a Latino family (never refer to them as "Mexican"...) living on the corner. They house about a dozen workers at their house off and on during the year. They block off the entire street with their festivities, they will park their beaten up old cars anywhere. They have an attitude as if they own the place. When I drive home they snear at me and turn away. Even the children have angry faces. I don't understand it, I'm the best trick or treat house on the block and have always been good to the kids. The family is wealthy, drive mercedez and lexus, own real estate, kids are beautifully dressed, have the latest and greatest toys, go to private catholic school...etc. I have come to find out that they feel that they own this block and would have preferred to have all of their family move here.

I just learned about the mexican mafia which is pretty big around here also.

I live alone so with all of the riff raff going on (drugs in the hood...) I had to get a big dog so I could sleep at night. The Latino family on the corner also brought home a pitt bull and chained it to the front tree. It was a puppy and cried all of the time, never getting off of the chain. I never really liked that breed but felt so sad for the dog. I finally called the city and they never did anything about it. One day the Latino's pitt bull got off of the chain and came over to my house. I escorted the dog back to the house and reluctantly put it back on its chain. A few days later I had a knock on my door at 11:00 at night. Edwardo... the oldest brother who was visiting from Mexico came over to find out if I was trying to steal their dog. He was drunk and I assured him that I was just trying to help, telling him that his dog must have gotten off of his chain on his own. He insisted that his sister thought I was stealing the dog and told me to stay off of his property. There is more than a cultural difference going on here. The next week their children were playing in my driveway and picking roses off of my bushes again. It's a weird situation... I can't wait to move!!!!

FAAK! THAT MUST BE HELL!
I am surprised that this is going on in northern CA?!
There are some Mexicans that i have met that have similar attitude, like they own the place. I do not get it, some of them have pure hate for non-Mexicans but some are really loving people.

no other group of people displays such hate for other nations, they may not like other nationalities, but there is no hate.

[i am all i am]

FAAK! THAT MUST BE HELL!
I am surprised that this is going on in northern CA?!
There are some Mexicans that i have met that have similar attitude, like they own the place. I do not get it, some of them have pure hate for non-Mexicans but some are really loving people.

no other group of people displays such hate for other nations, they may not like other nationalities, but there is no hate.

"no other group"...are you fucking serious ???

Hate between nationalities is not restricted to one group or individual nationality.




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