I don't think Icke is homophibic... but...

[joshyskye]

Ok, I don’t think that David Icke is homophobic, unlike many of his contemporaries in the conspiracy research field, but I am getting quite annoyed with the Headline Page in which there seems to be regularly scheduled homophobic programming going on. Link after link is presented to unashamedly homophobic sites… a sad fact I have mentioned before. Today… once again… another link to a blatantly homophobic site… the link deceptively titled “School Forces Students To Question Their Own Heterosexuality.” The school wasn’t forcing anything! The site that is linked to is nothing more than a barefaced anti-gay propaganda site and even a quick glance over the titles of the articles presented shows the site’s goals and aims which are to force a bigoted, intolerant Christian agenda with a sick focus on sexuality. It had been proven for decades now that the homophobic hoopla in the bible are mistranslations and misinterpretations (Leviticus is about sex with Pagan priests and priestesses and Sodom and Gomorra is about the, at the time, justified paranoia of strangers), therefore any religiously based homophobia is the result of absolute theological ignorance. Any other kinds of homophobia come down to insecurity and stupidity.
Here are the facts… there ARE good, trustworthy, moral, ethical gay people in the world. Why are we taught they are all evil and have an agenda? The only agenda I see here is a ruthless homophobic one born of stupidity, insecurity and arrogance. For the most part gay kids receive no support in schools. Why should they be forgotten? Their parents pay taxes too AND likewise their adult counterparts pay taxes as well. Why should they pay these taxes if they are not going to receive the same support/education or be treated as equally as their hetero counterparts? Heterosexuality IS taught and FORCED on every child regardless of what any individual child’s sexual orientation is. Gay kids are asked these questions ALL the time, I know I was. Guess what people? There ARE gay kids and there ARE bisexual kids. Gay and bisexual people have been subjected to untold amounts of intolerance and prejudice throughout the years in spite of the religious crap being proven fallacious. I see nothing wrong with this teacher’s assignment at all. That mother, that website are making something out of nothing and, as seems typical of bigots, refusing to see the situation from the opposing standpoint. It is disgusting to see David Icke’s site link to such a vehemently repulsive website that has a singular goal… the promotion of prejudice!

[talulah]

[QUOTE=joshyskye;658304]Ok, I don’t think that David Icke is homophobic, unlike many of his contemporaries in the conspiracy research field, but I am getting quite annoyed with the Headline Page in which there seems to be regularly scheduled homophobic programming going on. Link after link is presented to unashamedly homophobic sites… a sad fact I have mentioned before. Today… once again… another link to a blatantly homophobic site… the link deceptively titled “School Forces Students To Question Their Own Heterosexuality.” The school wasn’t forcing anything! The site that is linked to is nothing more than a barefaced anti-gay propaganda site and even a quick glance over the titles of the articles presented shows the site’s goals and aims which are to force a bigoted, intolerant Christian agenda with a sick focus on sexuality. It had been proven for decades now that the homophobic hoopla in the bible are mistranslations and misinterpretations (Leviticus is about sex with Pagan priests and priestesses and Sodom and Gomorra is about the, at the time, justified paranoia of strangers), therefore any religiously based homophobia is the result of absolute theological ignorance. Any other kinds of homophobia come down to insecurity and stupidity.
Here are the facts… there ARE good, trustworthy, moral, ethical gay people in the world. Why are we taught they are all evil and have an agenda? The only agenda I see here is a ruthless homophobic one born of stupidity, insecurity and arrogance. For the most part gay kids receive no support in schools. Why should they be forgotten? Their parents pay taxes too AND likewise their adult counterparts pay taxes as well. Why should they pay these taxes if they are not going to receive the same support/education or be treated as equally as their hetero counterparts? Heterosexuality IS taught and FORCED on every child regardless of what any individual child’s sexual orientation is. Gay kids are asked these questions ALL the time, I know I was. Guess what people? There ARE gay kids and there ARE bisexual kids. Gay and bisexual people have been subjected to untold amounts of intolerance and prejudice throughout the years in spite of the religious crap being proven fallacious. I see nothing wrong with this teacher’s assignment at all. That mother, that website are making something out of nothing and, as seems typical of bigots, refusing to see the situation from the opposing standpoint. It is disgusting to see David Icke’s site link to such a vehemently repulsive website that has a singular goal… the promotion of prejudice![/QUO

Your right and im amazed that there are so many people with this homophobic 80s attitude.Thanks for good post.

Peace

[zero1]

From this (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82529) page.

The questionaire featured such appalling and blatant insinuations that Heterosexuality was in some way abnormal, dysfunctional and abusive (as say, compared to lesbian or gay relationships).

Check it out for yourself -

Hanson's son, Alex, originally thought he was required to complete the questionnaire for the next day's class. He was struggling, however, to answer the following questions:

What do you think caused your heterosexuality?

When and how did you decide you were a heterosexual?

Is it possible that your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?

Is it possible that your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?

Do your parents know that you are straight? Do your friends and/or roommate(s) know? How did they react?

Why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? Can't you just be who you are and keep it quiet?

Why do heterosexuals feel compelled to seduce others into their lifestyles?

A disproportionate majority of child molesters are heterosexual. So you consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers?

With all the societal support marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?

Statistics show that lesbians have the lowest incidence of sexually transmitted diseases. Is it really safe for a woman to maintain a heterosexual lifestyle and run the risk of disease and pregnancy?

Considering the menace of overpopulation, how could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual?

Would you want your child to be heterosexual, knowing the problems that s/he would face?

Jesus fucking H. Christ that's a wretched-awful way to fuck with a young man's mind, make him think all that is natural and good with sexuality is warped and wrong.

Icke was right to post this link and article cos' he feels obliged to point out that the esoteric agenda partly consists of the corruption of sexuality and the normalization of perversion amongst the young. I applaud him for this.

[beldazar]

yes zero 1, i totally agree! Im certainly NOT homophobic but there is another agenda going on here! :mad:

[chris]

Yes Zero1, I actually had that exact section on copy and was about to paste it when I found that you beat me to it.

Joshyskye, I would be very disturbed if some teacher gave that to my child. If it was a homophobic style of propaganda, I would be equally disturbed. I don't care where the information is coming from, as long as it's factual. Are you questioning the validity of the article?

Fortunatly for me, I'll never take my kids to a slave camp.

I also looked at the other links and couldn't find anything remotely anti-gay...Perhaps you should provide links to show us what your talking about.

I would consider that teacher passing out that weird questionaire to be anti-gay because she talks about tolerance. Tolerance means you have to put up with something bad, just because you can tolerate a lot of pain, doesn't mean you enjoy it (that would make you a sadist). I would rather be simply natural. You don't need any kind of questionaire to be natural, you just need to be left alone by this Neo-Marxist bullshit.

[limelady]

I agree totally with Chris, beldazar and zero1.

That questionnaire is programming pure and simple.....commonly known as a 'head fuck". Teachers have NO right being involved in this sort of propaganda targeting our children, and there is definitely an agenda going on here!

[psych641]

Hanson's son, Alex, originally thought he was required to complete the questionnaire for the next day's class. He was struggling, however, to answer the following questions:

What do you think caused your heterosexuality?

When and how did you decide you were a heterosexual?

Is it possible that your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?

Is it possible that your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?

Do your parents know that you are straight? Do your friends and/or roommate(s) know? How did they react?

Why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? Can't you just be who you are and keep it quiet?

Why do heterosexuals feel compelled to seduce others into their lifestyles?

A disproportionate majority of child molesters are heterosexual. So you consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers?

With all the societal support marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?

Statistics show that lesbians have the lowest incidence of sexually transmitted diseases. Is it really safe for a woman to maintain a heterosexual lifestyle and run the risk of disease and pregnancy?

Considering the menace of overpopulation, how could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual?

Would you want your child to be heterosexual, knowing the problems that s/he would face?

My first reaction when i read this was outrage & discust. Leave those kids alone FFS!

However, depending on the maturity & intelligence of the reader it could be a good read. If their intellectually mature enough, some of those points could be understood as satire/irony. (I assume this was the intended point? :confused: ) But as a lot of adults wouldnt 'get it' its hardly suitable for schools.

OR

they might ponder the question of whether their 'heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?' for a few moments before suddenly realising that something is very wrong with the world, previously trusted authority is hopelessly corrupted & the 'education' system is completely fucked up. Result! :D

[sean]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

[red_ram]

I don't believe that Icke is homophobic at all, but if there is an agenda to manipulate people's sexuality against their will, he's going to highlight it as a threat.

[peachped]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

Yes it looks like a study in empathy to me, ie replace 'hetero' with 'homo'.

[joshyskye]

Perhaps many of you missed the point... those same questions are asked of gay kids ALL the time and by everyone in their lives. Imagine that, if you can muster the objectivity to do so. Do you not think that asking that of them is just as disturbing or hurtful to them? Or do you not care because they're gay and they don't matter? That is obviously the standpoint of a few people who replied here. I am not surprised that some people still lump homosexuality into the "perversion" sexual category... ignorance still prevails even in the truthseeker movement.

[sunya]

I agree with both sides. There's definitely odd stuff going on in education, but I have also been offended by the headlines page at times. Remember all the pictures of Bush and Blair tonguing eachother? Classic 'I think you're bad so I'll tar you with this cheap prejudice brush'.

[limelady]

Yes it looks like a study in empathy to me, ie replace 'hetero' with 'homo'.

This is possible, but how many children will NOT see the sattire/empathetic points being made?

I'm still very suspicious of the motivation behind this. :cool:

[sean]

It could have been done similarly with "feminism"... e.g:

"As a man do you find wearing extra tight trousers and sexy shirts helps you to get where you want to in your job?"

I think the intention here was to get the children to think outside of the box a little bit. See things from a different perspective.

[poohkits]

Ok, I don’t think that David Icke is homophobic, unlike many of his contemporaries in the conspiracy research field, but I am getting quite annoyed with the Headline Page in which there seems to be regularly scheduled homophobic programming going on. Link after link is presented to unashamedly homophobic sites… a sad fact I have mentioned before. Today… once again… another link to a blatantly homophobic site… the link deceptively titled “School Forces Students To Question Their Own Heterosexuality.” The school wasn’t forcing anything! The site that is linked to is nothing more than a barefaced anti-gay propaganda site and even a quick glance over the titles of the articles presented shows the site’s goals and aims which are to force a bigoted, intolerant Christian agenda with a sick focus on sexuality. It had been proven for decades now that the homophobic hoopla in the bible are mistranslations and misinterpretations (Leviticus is about sex with Pagan priests and priestesses and Sodom and Gomorra is about the, at the time, justified paranoia of strangers), therefore any religiously based homophobia is the result of absolute theological ignorance. Any other kinds of homophobia come down to insecurity and stupidity.
Here are the facts… there ARE good, trustworthy, moral, ethical gay people in the world. Why are we taught they are all evil and have an agenda? The only agenda I see here is a ruthless homophobic one born of stupidity, insecurity and arrogance. For the most part gay kids receive no support in schools. Why should they be forgotten? Their parents pay taxes too AND likewise their adult counterparts pay taxes as well. Why should they pay these taxes if they are not going to receive the same support/education or be treated as equally as their hetero counterparts? Heterosexuality IS taught and FORCED on every child regardless of what any individual child’s sexual orientation is. Gay kids are asked these questions ALL the time, I know I was. Guess what people? There ARE gay kids and there ARE bisexual kids. Gay and bisexual people have been subjected to untold amounts of intolerance and prejudice throughout the years in spite of the religious crap being proven fallacious. I see nothing wrong with this teacher’s assignment at all. That mother, that website are making something out of nothing and, as seems typical of bigots, refusing to see the situation from the opposing standpoint. It is disgusting to see David Icke’s site link to such a vehemently repulsive website that has a singular goal… the promotion of prejudice!

Your highlighted text above.

Josh , Go through the last 200 postings on the headlines page and point out all the blatent homophobic ones to us will you?

[measle_weasel]

Senior year teens, being 17 or 18, I think should be able to handle a questionaire like this. Maybe a touch young, and maybe more suitable for a college student. But still, a 17/18 year old will have been thinking about sex non-stop for 5 or 6 years at that point... they might be ready to question themselves and their own sexuality, and break down the pre-programmed norms that their society and parents so close-mindedly taught them up till that point.

Intolerance of non-hetrosexual people and behavior, I think is due more to fear, than of any rational thought process.

[red_ram]

With the sight of that questionnaire, I smell the whiff of political correctness drifting over the fields. Smells a lot like horseshit, and to be honest, there's not much difference.

Whoever came up with that should be birched.

[sunya]

I do think OP has a point about the headlines page. There was the whole thing about Jeff Gannon:

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp301/solipsis/jeff-gannon1.jpg

and all the gay pictures of Bush and Blair. It would be fine for a satirical magazine or something, but it felt out of place from a guy like Icke who is supposed to be 'infinitely' tolerant.

[drakul]

With the sight of that questionnaire, I smell the whiff of political correctness drifting over the fields. Smells a lot like horseshit, and to be honest, there's not much difference.

Whoever came up with that should be birched.


Yes this is only the beginning of enforced Homo correctness - now that the Demonrats are back in power. We'll be seeing alot more of these outrages.

If you read Icke, he comes out over and over ENRAGED at the pedofile tendencies of the homo elite. As well he should. He's a father and he refuses to tolerate this kind of child abuse.

[sean]

I think there is a vast difference between paedophilia and homosexuality. And the Jeff Gannon story was a bit of a scandal - the focus wasn't down to sexual orientation.

[measle_weasel]

Perhaps many of you missed the point... those same questions are asked of gay kids ALL the time and by everyone in their lives. Imagine that, if you can muster the objectivity to do so. Do you not think that asking that of them is just as disturbing or hurtful to them? Or do you not care because they're gay and they don't matter? That is obviously the standpoint of a few people who replied here. I am not surprised that some people still lump homosexuality into the "perversion" sexual category... ignorance still prevails even in the truthseeker movement.

I was actually suprised to see some of the responses here as well, josh.

Honestly, I never knew untill just now that there was some nefarious "homosexual agenda" going around, being propagated by the NWO to strip innocent children of their good christian based sexual morals :rolleyes:

[sunya]

And the Jeff Gannon story was a bit of a scandal - the focus wasn't down to sexual orientation.

Exactly - not how it was painted on the headlines page.

[sunya]

I'm intrigued by the idea that there could be a homosexual agenda being pushed that has to do with population-reduction or something, but I have yet to see any evidence of it.

[sean]

He was used as a whitehouse rent boy. You can't avoid the fact that it inidicated some homosexual prostitution taking place in the white house. I think the focus here was on the prositution, hypocrisy, and the lies rather than the act of being gay. How do you think it was painted?

[onourwayto2012]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...
Is does appear to be somewhat ironic but it's still probably way above alot of the less than Einsteinian teens out there now..... having said that... there ARE alot of very intelligent and savvy ones as well....but I still think this was pretty messed up for high school... and yes there IS an an agenda so this fits right in.

[meksar]

The Elite are pushing the homosexual agenda because it ties into their de-population agenda, you see when they introduce the one child policy on a global scale, they will have already used "global warming" to demonize the family lifestyle. Anyone with two brain cells knows that all these celebs are being used to push it on kids, and the subliminal programming being used to manipulate sexuality/beliefs is just not a surprise anymore.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=12U26ixvfoc

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIuW6XfQrQ

[sunya]

He was used as a whitehouse rent boy. You can't avoid the fact that it inidicated some homosexual prostitution taking place in the white house. I think the focus here was on the prositution, hypocrisy, and the lies rather than the act of being gay. How do you think it was painted?

It was the way that this story got used to prop up the allegations that Blair and Bush were gay. I hope I'm not tripping out and I also hope you're not going to make me go trawling through the archives - hopefully other people remember this. Hypocrisy and lies are one thing, but why call people gay rather than bisexual? I just remember it registering on me as deliberately tapping into prejudicial tendencies to score journalistic points.

[sean]

David most certainly isn't homophobic. In fact, he's not "phobic" of anything. Any articles or news posted that you might have interpreted as being a bit of dig or a bit "un PC" would have been written like that because David isn't a very PC person (and thank GOD for that!).

He is tolerant of everybody, as long as they aren't harming others.

[sunya]

David most certainly isn't homophobic. In fact, he's not "phobic" of anything. Any articles or news posted that you might have interpreted as being a bit of dig or a bit "un PC" would have been written like that because David isn't a very PC person (and thank GOD for that!).

He is tolerant of everybody, as long as they aren't harming others.

Well that's a very PC answer. I don't imagine much of what gets posted on the headlines page is posted by David himself, so any critcisms would not be necessarily criticisms of him anyway.

[measle_weasel]

The Elite are pushing the homosexual agenda because it ties into their de-population agenda, you see when they introduce the one child policy on a global scale, they will have already used "global warming" to demonize the family lifestyle. Anyone with two brain cells knows that all these celebs are being used to push it on kids, and the subliminal programming being used to manipulate sexuality/beliefs is just not a surprise anymore.

It seems like the removal of these beliefs about homosexuality that are all prevasive in our society would actually free people more from the mental cage they are in, just like the removal or denunciation of religion to most people on this forum would be considered a freeing from a mental cage.

Both societal sexual doctrines and religious doctrines both attempt to keep people in a box, to believe what the rest believe, and to prevent any expression of an idea that may be contrary to the popular norm. Both proclaim that those who do not follow the doctrine to a 't', are both wrong, perverted, bad, and unworthy of respect from those who do follow the doctrine.

Im shocked that there are as many responses as there are showing disgust and anger towards this list of questions. I truly am. I hope that these responses are not indicative to the majority of forum posters opinions. Talk about closed minded....

[sunya]

It seems like the removal of these beliefs about homosexuality that are all prevasive in our society would actually free people more from the mental cage they are in, just like the removal or denunciation of religion to most people on this forum would be considered a freeing from a mental cage.

Both societal sexual doctrines and religious doctrines both attempt to keep people in a box, to believe what the rest believe, and to prevent any expression of an idea that may be contrary to the popular norm. Both proclaim that those who do not follow the doctrine to a 't', are both wrong, perverted, bad, and unworthy of respect from those who do follow the doctrine.

Im shocked that there are as many responses as there are showing disgust and anger towards this list of questions. I truly am. I hope that these responses are not indicative to the majority of forum posters opinions. Talk about closed minded....

In my experience, measle, they're not indicative. This thread seems to have attracted the homophobes.

[sean]

Well that's a very PC answer. I don't imagine much of what gets posted on the headlines page is posted by David himself, so any critcisms would not be necessarily criticisms of him anyway.

It's a simple answer to a simple question. I can't answer for David, but I can tell you what I know.

Yes you are right, David doesn't always post on the headlines page. And your criticisms are welcome. But I don't agree with your conclusions.

[sunya]

It's a simple answer to a simple question. I can't answer for David, but I can tell you what I know.

Yes you are right, David doesn't always post on the headlines page. And your criticisms are welcome. But I don't agree with your conclusions.

They weren't even conclusions, they were impressions, and what I had in mind were people who might casually get linked to the site and make a snap impression on what it was selling. Think about that.

[meksar]

They are trying to create as much anal sex as possible, it does not matter if your gay, bi or straight they want you to participate in this particular sexual ritual as it is the Kabbalah unfolding. The elite are not just child sacrificing loonies, they take great pleasure in disgusting and de-humanizing sexual actions which was done by the likes of Marquis De Sade and Aleister 666 Crowley. The Zionists really are mind benders did you ever wonder why so many khazars are pyscharists and pharmicutical tycoons.

[beldazar]

Well done for bringing that up Meksar, I wanted to mention it but this is such a very touchy subject and I didnt want to upset anyone.

This is one of those 'look deeper' threads and I have gay friends, no way would I want them to think that they are doing anythig wrong.

[measle_weasel]

They are trying to create as much anal sex as possible, it does not matter if your gay, bi or straight they want you to participate in this particular sexual ritual as it is the Kabbalah unfolding. The elite are not just child sacrificing loonies, they take great pleasure in disgusting and de-humanizing sexual actions which was done by the likes of Marquis De Sade and Aleister 666 Crowley. The Zionists really are mind benders did you ever wonder why so many khazars are pyscharists and pharmicutical tycoons.

What? Do you actually know ANYTHING about the kabbalah, let alone its relationship to the golden dawn and their specific and distorted way of working with it? Or is that all you know about it?

[beldazar]

Your post is exactly the reason why I dare not explain myself fully on this subject Measle :(

[vladmir]

Jesus fucking H. Christ that's a wretched-awful way to fuck with a young man's mind, make him think all that is natural and good with sexuality is warped and wrong.
Icke was right to post this link and article cos' he feels obliged to point out that the esoteric agenda partly consists of the corruption of sexuality and the normalization of perversion amongst the young. I applaud him for this.
i totally agree.

[helloperator]

Ok, I don’t think that David Icke is homophobic, unlike many of his contemporaries in the conspiracy research field, but I am getting quite annoyed with the Headline Page in which there seems to be regularly scheduled homophobic programming going on. Link after link is presented to unashamedly homophobic sites… a sad fact I have mentioned before. Today… once again… another link to a blatantly homophobic site… the link deceptively titled “School Forces Students To Question Their Own Heterosexuality.” The school wasn’t forcing anything! The site that is linked to is nothing more than a barefaced anti-gay propaganda site and even a quick glance over the titles of the articles presented shows the site’s goals and aims which are to force a bigoted, intolerant Christian agenda with a sick focus on sexuality. It had been proven for decades now that the homophobic hoopla in the bible are mistranslations and misinterpretations (Leviticus is about sex with Pagan priests and priestesses and Sodom and Gomorra is about the, at the time, justified paranoia of strangers), therefore any religiously based homophobia is the result of absolute theological ignorance. Any other kinds of homophobia come down to insecurity and stupidity.
Here are the facts… there ARE good, trustworthy, moral, ethical gay people in the world. Why are we taught they are all evil and have an agenda? The only agenda I see here is a ruthless homophobic one born of stupidity, insecurity and arrogance. For the most part gay kids receive no support in schools. Why should they be forgotten? Their parents pay taxes too AND likewise their adult counterparts pay taxes as well. Why should they pay these taxes if they are not going to receive the same support/education or be treated as equally as their hetero counterparts? Heterosexuality IS taught and FORCED on every child regardless of what any individual child’s sexual orientation is. Gay kids are asked these questions ALL the time, I know I was. Guess what people? There ARE gay kids and there ARE bisexual kids. Gay and bisexual people have been subjected to untold amounts of intolerance and prejudice throughout the years in spite of the religious crap being proven fallacious. I see nothing wrong with this teacher’s assignment at all. That mother, that website are making something out of nothing and, as seems typical of bigots, refusing to see the situation from the opposing standpoint. It is disgusting to see David Icke’s site link to such a vehemently repulsive website that has a singular goal… the promotion of prejudice!

That is one HUGE CHUNK of writing.

C'mon man this is the internet...pictures or videos or short phrases.

If I wanted to read a book I would go to the bookshop.

WOW

[astrochicken]

Why don't we give gays and homophobes their own forum to play with?

[thirdwave]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

I agree, this is how it looked to me...

They are reversing the questions so the straight boy knows what it is like for a gay boy growing up .... and how terrible it is for them to be alienated by such crap... I think maybe more of the article is needed to understand what the hole thing was about..

I have to be honest and say that David's Headlines page is not really my first port of call, as it does not always follow suit in what he is about.... seems almost like a separate source sometimes.

[runciter]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

illuminati brainwash aimed at raising doubts on sexual identity.

clearly part of the agenda, like the sexualization of children :mad:

[runciter]

I agree, this is how it looked to me...

They are reversing the questions so the straight boy knows what it is like for a gay boy growing up .... and how terrible it is for them to be alienated by such crap... I think maybe more of the article is needed to understand what the hole thing was about..

I have to be honest and say that David's Headlines page is not really my first port of call, as it does not always follow suit in what he is about.... seems almost like a separate source sometimes.

the plan is to destroy people's self-confidence, they want a cattle-like population.

[thirdwave]

the plan is to destroy people's self-confidence, they want a cattle-like population.

I would be more inclined to think the plan is to create more people like you dear chap.

If I was gay, I really would not like you very much at all.

tell me why after being at the wheel for so many many years has it taken them so long, why was being Gay not sold 60-70 years ago and before?

[runciter]

I am getting quite annoyed with the Headline Page in which there seems to be regularly scheduled homophobic programming going on.


it's quite the opposite: there's a mass homosexualization programming going on, and you can learn about it reading icke's headlines, or henry makow's articles.. yeah but of course this is the paranoid view, the simple truth is that we are all homophobes who are trying to stop the natural development of mankind towards hermaphroditism and multisexuality.

[runciter]

I would be more inclined to think the plan is to create more people like you dear chap.

If I was gay, I really would not like you very much at all.

tell me why after being at the wheel for so many many years has it taken them so long, why was being Gay not sold 60-70 years ago and before?

i know that you like this part of the agenda, maybe you dream of a bisexual humanity.

[sean]

Please keep this on track and on topic. This isn't an excuse to start spouting hatred or abuse at another member. Thanks.

[thirdwave]

i know that you like this part of the agenda, maybe you dream of a bisexual humanity.

I could not care a less what people decide to do with their sexuality as long as they do not harm others.... I would not dream of imposing my self on such things...

I ask you again, why was this agenda not pushed 60-100 years ago and beyond? ... why is it all of a sudden so vital?

[runciter]

I could not care a less what people decide to do with their sexuality as long as they do not harm others.... I would not dream of imposing my self on such things...

I ask you again, why was this agenda not pushed 60-100 years ago and beyond? ... why is it all of a sudden so vital?

the agenda is about imposing central bankers' social needs on the population.

[thirdwave]

the agenda is about imposing central bankers' social needs on the population.

that dopes not answer the question and what on earth has being gay got to do with bankers?

[runciter]

that dopes not answer the question and what on earth has being gay got to do with bankers?

why are they implementing now the last stages of the new world order?

[thirdwave]

why are they implementing now the last stages of the new world order?

no... in the past being Gay was very much looked down on.... it took a huge movement in the 80s to really let it all out of the bag and before then the 60s brought more awareness to it.... but prior to that it was about hiding and not letting society know or it would seriously damage your job or life style.... make no mistake Gay people have been here for as long as Humans have.

So why has it been so held down ... but in the last few years all of a sudden as you say its an agenda?

why is it not possible that the fact is there has always been lots of gay or Bi people, its just today its extremely hard to keep a lid on it, so the lid is simply removed and we are simply seeing it become a norm.... why is that not a possibility?

I have never had a gay desires in my life, am %100 straight but I do not have a problem with others and what they do... do you have a reason as to why I should?

[elirien]

I don't have anything about gay people, but why would any person be interested in another persons sexual life if they don't want a sexual life with that person? (or...)

I mean really. Isn't this gossip ?

[oddblock]

I feel so sorry for our children... They are being used and toyed with on a monumental scale. Sexuality is sacred, no matter what yours is. Nobody should be forced to question who they are.

I'm getting tired of this piece of shit agenda.

[pinkfreud]

i'm not homophobic but...

They are trying to create as much anal sex as possible, it does not matter if your gay, bi or straight they want you to participate in this particular sexual ritual

i agree.

i don't think sexuality matters at all. if we're not of this body does it really pay off to argue about homosexuality and heterosexuality?

i think this homo/hetero debate would be pointless coz what the elite are trying to do is concentrate all the masses' attention and focus on human sexuality, which is in the lower/physical dimension. and here we are, doing exactly that.

the thing is, love does not actually recognize gender. but the ptb have been successful in linking the two together and encouraging polarised opinions on this issue. when it comes to homosexuality, the illuminati has not only brought about encouragement of anal sex, but also the initial misconstrued fears of hiv/aids (the 1980s, anyone?)

the same goes for heterosexual individuals and the covert influences of the ptb in deeming excessive casual sex an 'ok' thing.

it's of no use arguing with a gay person and vice versa. let's just let this be coz after all our body, gender and sexual preferences do not, in any way, define us.

edit: and about those 'questionnaires'.. i think they're absolutely vile coz it leads the kids into forming black and white opinions on sexuality. exactly in relation to what i've said above.

edit edit: sorry. forgot to put bisexuals in there as well ^^^ :D

[thirdwave]

Also, these kids must have been about 15-16 .... i think they should be old enough to see that the questionnaire was not a straight forward questionnaire..... and if you don't then you probably would not pick up on it trying to mess with your sexuality either... its a bit blatant... not really hidden.

[whiterain]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

well of course it was sean. that doesnt stop it being completely innapropriate, misleading and confusing for young kids. thats one thing many thick adults need to get into their minds- kids dont always understand irony ffs. this can lead to many confusing situations for young minds. there are many different ways to allow kids to have a better respect for people of all persuasions however if this was taught to me in school i fear it would have warped me even more than my church school brainwashing


ps thick was aimed at no one in particular

[njal]

.... make no mistake Gay people have been here for as long as Humans have.

So why has it been so held down ... but in the last few years all of a sudden as you say its an agenda?


Something interesting which I read a while ago and I didn't link with any agenda till I read your post.

Apparently gay people have existed throughout history, but in every case it has been a case of a kind of man-boy relationship.
E.g. the spartans it was almost like a mentorship - an older man, younger boy.
There were many other examples throughout history where it was almost normal for this to be the case.

But apparently the 20th Century onwards is the only time in history when homesexual partnerships have been of equal partners i.e. the same age, living together as a couple.

Not quite sure what to make of it though.

[thirdwave]

Something interesting which I read a while ago and I didn't link with any agenda till I read your post.

Apparently gay people have existed throughout history, but in every case it has been a case of a kind of man-boy relationship.
E.g. the spartans it was almost like a mentorship - an older man, younger boy.
There were many other examples throughout history where it was almost normal for this to be the case.

But apparently the 20th Century onwards is the only time in history when homesexual partnerships have been of equal partners i.e. the same age, living together as a couple.

Not quite sure what to make of it though.

when we refer to texts from religious groups or groups of authority, IMO its more likely to have some other meaning afoot than simply being gay.. sounds like it is not only pointing out being homosexual but also hinting at being a pediofile....

here is an example of what you mean here

Mark
14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

[elirien]

Also, these kids must have been about 15-16 .... i think they should be old enough to see that the questionnaire was not a straight forward questionnaire..... and if you don't then you probably would not pick up on it trying to mess with your sexuality either... its a bit blatant... not really hidden.

i'm not homophobic but...



i agree.

i don't think sexuality matters at all. if we're not of this body does it really pay off to argue about homosexuality and heterosexuality?

i think this homo/hetero debate would be pointless coz what the elite are trying to do is concentrate all the masses' attention and focus on human sexuality, which is in the lower/physical dimension. and here we are, doing exactly that.

the thing is, love does not actually recognize gender. but the ptb have been successful in linking the two together and encouraging polarised opinions on this issue. when it comes to homosexuality, the illuminati has not only brought about encouragement of anal sex, but also the initial misconstrued fears of hiv/aids (the 1980s, anyone?)

the same goes for heterosexual individuals and the covert influences of the ptb in deeming excessive casual sex an 'ok' thing.

it's of no use arguing with a gay person and vice versa. let's just let this be coz after all our body, gender and sexual preferences do not, in any way, define us.

edit: and about those 'questionnaires'.. i think they're absolutely vile coz it leads the kids into forming black and white opinions on sexuality. exactly in relation to what i've said above.

edit edit: sorry. forgot to put bisexuals in there as well ^^^ :D

well that's the thing. I mean this is the whole point. These little people are far less poisoned and aged to not think about such stupid division. some of them know that love and sex are different things because they are explained by different aural expressions (a.k.a. words). That is because they are different. They are asked their preference of tools of energy expression on a very redundant detail. Who cares and why should they? They are 15. They have no guarantees to raise an offspring and those that are not utter idiots know that. Some get that funky feeling in their gut when some girl/boy just says "good morning" to them. I'm not romanticizing here. That's the view point of a normal kid that doesn't watch cnn or plays nintendo all day because the people in the outside world are idiots (for him/her at least).

It is such idiocy to rather focus on what they should have the option to know then rather forcing opinions on them that is in such a division. it is trying to force an opinion on the kid on something he knows shit about because he doesn't question why the writer has written this. some kids will not answer the test or get a bad grade or even flunk that class and some kids will give some answer and pass and others will believe that junk and pass. Still makes all of it trivial.

why should they or us care about how some dude uses his reproductive organs? it is like hanging people because of sodomy or "witchcraft". no I'm not advocating anyone of them, but I would never hang anybody because of them neither. This is the choice of reproducing or not. It can't be asked while people are shoving guns in each others face.

It is trivial and it is a "virtual obstacle".

[runciter]

no... in the past being Gay was very much looked down on.... it took a huge movement in the 80s to really let it all out of the bag and before then the 60s brought more awareness to it.... but prior to that it was about hiding and not letting society know or it would seriously damage your job or life style.... make no mistake Gay people have been here for as long as Humans have.

So why has it been so held down ... but in the last few years all of a sudden as you say its an agenda?


yes i think it's an agenda, they want to influence every aspect of their cattle's life.

[omegasol]

They are trying to create as much anal sex as possible, it does not matter if your gay, bi or straight they want you to participate in this particular sexual ritual as it is the Kabbalah unfolding. The elite are not just child sacrificing loonies, they take great pleasure in disgusting and de-humanizing sexual actions which was done by the likes of Marquis De Sade and Aleister 666 Crowley. The Zionists really are mind benders did you ever wonder why so many khazars are pyscharists and pharmicutical tycoons.

oh my lol, you people..."particular sexual ritual as it is the Kabbalah unfolding". looks like you don´t even know what the kabbalah is. there are no rituals unfolding in the kabbalah. you´re referring to the o.t.o. eleventh grade "Per Aftera Ad Astra" initiation thingy. no one wants you to have homosexual anal sex. even in the o.t.o. you could take part in this or not.

Aleister Crowley: "Of the Eleventh Degree, its powers, privileges, and qualifications, nothing whatever is said in any grade. It has no relation to the general plan of the Order, is inscrutable, and dwells in its own palace." (Liber CXCIV, 1919)

google it.

[runciter]

oh my lol, you people..."particular sexual ritual as it is the Kabbalah unfolding". looks like you don´t even know what the kabbalah is. there are no rituals unfolding in the kabbalah. you´re referring to the o.t.o. eleventh grade "Per Aftera Ad Astra" initiation thingy. no one wants you to have homosexual anal sex. even in the o.t.o. you could take part in this or not.



google it.

i think the reality of kabbalistic rituals is hidden from view, we don't know what they do.

[kingmonkey]

Being gay has been here forever and it will remain part of humanity, what's the big deal? This gay agenda thing is ridiculous; if you're straight and are that weak minded to be conned into being gay by the media/ptb you're a complete fucking moron and shouldn't be reproducing anyway.

[runciter]

Being gay has been here forever and it will remain part of humanity, what's the big deal? This gay agenda thing is ridiculous; if you're straight and are that weak minded to be conned into being gay by the media/ptb you're a complete fucking moron and shouldn't be reproducing anyway.

think about all abused children, and all sexually insecure people.. they're all morons.

[omegasol]

Being gay has been here forever and it will remain part of humanity, what's the big deal? This gay agenda thing is ridiculous; if you're straight and are that weak minded to be conned into being gay by the media/ptb you're a complete fucking moron and shouldn't be reproducing anyway.

amen

[kingmonkey]

think about all abused children, and all sexually insecure people.. they're all morons.

What's abuse gotta do with anything? That's not being conned is it? That's being raped. What you said also sounds like you're saying that all abuse is of the homosexual variety, and in extension all child abusers are gay, which is clearly not the case.

[runciter]

What's abuse gotta do with anything?

oh nothing at all, i'm sure there's no relation between being abused and growing homosexual.

[omegasol]

think about all abused children, and all sexually insecure people.. they're all morons.

all this is homophobic, silly, christian , right-wing (whatever you want to call it) propaganda. There is no causal relationship between homosexuality and child abuse. there are as many hetero child-abusers as homo child-abusers.

[runciter]

all this is homophobic, silly, christian , right-wing (whatever you want to call it) propaganda. There is no causal relationship between homosexuality and child abuse. there are as many hetero child-abusers as homo child-abusers.

i'm speaking about a possible relation between being abused and growing homosexual.

[kingmonkey]

oh nothing at all, i'm sure there's no relation between being abused and growing homosexual.

There might be in some cases, but most gay people are not abused and most abuse victims aren't gay. There are some cases where victims of abuse become gay, and that's a psychological reason to do with not trusting the opposite sex which attacked them, ie; a female abuse victim becomes a lesbian because relationships with men bring back painful, unresolved memories.

Most gay people are gay by nature, not by nurture.

[thirdwave]

well that's the thing. I mean this is the whole point. These little people are far less poisoned and aged to not think about such stupid division. some of them know that love and sex are different things because they are explained by different aural expressions (a.k.a. words). That is because they are different. They are asked their preference of tools of energy expression on a very redundant detail. Who cares and why should they? They are 15. They have no guarantees to raise an offspring and those that are not utter idiots know that. Some get that funky feeling in their gut when some girl/boy just says "good morning" to them. I'm not romanticizing here. That's the view point of a normal kid that doesn't watch cnn or plays nintendo all day because the people in the outside world are idiots (for him/her at least).

It is such idiocy to rather focus on what they should have the option to know then rather forcing opinions on them that is in such a division. it is trying to force an opinion on the kid on something he knows shit about because he doesn't question why the writer has written this. some kids will not answer the test or get a bad grade or even flunk that class and some kids will give some answer and pass and others will believe that junk and pass. Still makes all of it trivial.

why should they or us care about how some dude uses his reproductive organs? it is like hanging people because of sodomy or "witchcraft". no I'm not advocating anyone of them, but I would never hang anybody because of them neither. This is the choice of reproducing or not. It can't be asked while people are shoving guns in each others face.

It is trivial and it is a "virtual obstacle".

the thing is with all this stuff.... is while people are very quick to point out the faults of the elite which there are is an awful lot to point at no doubt, the elite are only to aware of our faults as well and they know how to expose them as well to justify certain things they do... all part of the manipulation...

we complain about how kids are treated at times... but we often fail to see how we program them badly our selves.... any form of Dogma taught to a child is bad because that child has not yet had a chance to express who they are and what they want... they should be taught to think from scratch in order to truly be un corrupt.

if these questions where reversed no one would be complaining about what a Gay child would think of them.... or a Bi child which there are a fair few out there.... and if a questionnaire can turn a 15 YO into a gay then I'm sorry but that says more about the Child than the questionnaire.... sex is a physical thing it takes more than "thinking its ok" to have sex with the same sex, to want it... your body has got to be turned on to it.

Also what if your child is gay and you dont know yet, how would you like teachers to treat him/her?

we forget that schools have been brainwashing our kids for years even back when if a gay child came out of the closet he/ she would probebly end up having to leave the school due to endless bullying..... in a way here we see an exam which the only thing I can see was doing was provoking thought..... I did not see anything that would do anything other than make the kid not understand what he/she was reading other than thinking about what it was saying.... its not like these kids where 10-12 years old.... they would have gone through puberty.... People are more afraid that their kid COULD be gay and this such thing would permit them the chance to be free....

I don't know enough about this questionnaire to totally judge what this school was doing, but I cant help but see this other program jump in where kids should only be made to think about a certain thing, .. and well, it has not really turned us into the most smart of races..... the only thing kids NEED, is love, that's our only duty, for example, some parents think its terrible if a child see's porn mags or something.... My Bro used to show me some when I was about 5-6 and all i remember thinking was how most of the girls did not look very pretty and there puss did not look as nice as an ice cream did.... I am not sure how it scared me.... likewise if ever I saw violence it did not corrupt me.. one time there was a fight, I was very young and I remember my father taking me to the side and shielding me from the fight.... that's all I remember about it, not perfect my old man but covered the nit and gritty. Every kid will go out in the world and either express him/her self or spend alot of time wondering why they feel it so hard to do so....


yes i think it's an agenda, they want to influence every aspect of their cattle's life.

Influence?, of course they want to influence things.... you think they don't influence straight people as well? ... or any other forms of sexuality?

explain the agenda.... why its only come about in the last 30 or so years.... why they are doing it... HOW they are doing it and why you pay no attention to the fact Gay people and animals have been on earth forever?

[runciter]

There might be in some cases, but most gay people are not abused and most abuse victims aren't gay. There are some cases where victims of abuse become gay, and that's a psychological reason to do with not trusting the opposite sex which attacked them, ie; a female abuse victim becomes a lesbian because relationships with men bring back painful, unresolved memories.

Most gay people are gay by nature, not by nurture.

there's still a lot to discover on this subject, we're only beginning to understand the phenomenon.

[runciter]

Influence?, of course they want to influence things.... you think they don't influence straight people as well? ... or any other forms of sexuality?


of course they do.


explain the agenda.... why its only come about in the last 30 or so years.... why they are doing it... HOW they are doing it and why you pay no attention to the fact Gay people and animals have been on earth forever?


i'm speaking about the brainwashing, not about the existence of homosexuality.

[omegasol]

i think the reality of kabbalistic rituals is hidden from view, we don't know what they do.

so you don´t know what rituals they are doing, but part of that ritual is, that more and more people turn gay and have homosexual anal-sex?! brilliant logic (as always lol)

[thirdwave]

of course they do.



i'm speaking about the brainwashing, not about the existence of homosexuality.

no your not your talking about this "gay agenda" and how you think its wrong to be gay...

unless I am mistaken....?

[runciter]

so you don´t know what rituals they are doing, but part of that ritual is, that more and more people turn gay and have homosexual anal-sex?! brilliant logic (as always lol)

where did i write something like that?

[runciter]

no your not your talking about this "gay agenda" and how you think its wrong to be gay...

unless I am mistaken....?

i think it's wrong to manipulate people's perception of themselves, spreading insecurity..

[thirdwave]

i think it's wrong to manipulate people's perception of themselves, spreading insecurity..

is that not quite a difficult thing to pin point? as how do you know how others perceive them selves?

[omegasol]

where did i write something like that?

oh, i´m sorry! i mixed up your and meksar´s comments :(

[runciter]

oh, i´m sorry! i mixed up your and meksar´s comments :(

no prob :)

[runciter]

is that not quite a difficult thing to pin point? as how do you know how others perceive them selves?

i don't think you have to know what perception they have, in order to manipulate it..

[thirdwave]

i don't think you have to know what perception they have, in order to manipulate it..



:eek:

[runciter]

:eek:

at that age they don't have a clear perception imo, and they're easier to manipulate.

[chris]

I find it funny how the initial insinuation of the post is that Icke may not be a homophone "BUT..." Which obviously keeps the door open on the debate...

Yet when people bring up that the elites might be trying to mess with our sexuality, this is paranoid conspiracy theories...

[sunya]

I find it funny how the initial insinuation of the post is that Icke may not be a homophone "BUT..." Which obviously keeps the door open on the debate...

Yet when people bring up that the elites might be trying to mess with our sexuality, this is paranoid conspiracy theories...

Dycke?

[chris]

Dun Dun Dun!!! Typo...How terrible of me:(

[sunya]

[ ] Chris got the joke

[elirien]

the thing is with all this stuff.... is while people are very quick to point out the faults of the elite which there are is an awful lot to point at no doubt, the elite are only to aware of our faults as well and they know how to expose them as well to justify certain things they do... all part of the manipulation...

we complain about how kids are treated at times... but we often fail to see how we program them badly our selves.... any form of Dogma taught to a child is bad because that child has not yet had a chance to express who they are and what they want... they should be taught to think from scratch in order to truly be un corrupt.

Very true. most mind-control is conduct by the parents and the kid repeats that after a while since he doesn't know how to say no in parent language.


if these questions where reversed no one would be complaining about what a Gay child would think of them.... or a Bi child which there are a fair few out there.... and if a questionnaire can turn a 15 YO into a gay then I'm sorry but that says more about the Child than the questionnaire.... sex is a physical thing it takes more than "thinking its ok" to have sex with the same sex, to want it... your body has got to be turned on to it.

Also what if your child is gay and you dont know yet, how would you like teachers to treat him/her?

we forget that schools have been brainwashing our kids for years even back when if a gay child came out of the closet he/ she would probebly end up having to leave the school due to endless bullying..... in a way here we see an exam which the only thing I can see was doing was provoking thought..... I did not see anything that would do anything other than make the kid not understand what he/she was reading other than thinking about what it was saying.... its not like these kids where 10-12 years old.... they would have gone through puberty.... People are more afraid that their kid COULD be gay and this such thing would permit them the chance to be free....

I have to intrude here. Bullying goes on on any alien phenomena for children. Because no one of these kids know what they are protesting against like their parents. I agree totally.


I don't know enough about this questionnaire to totally judge what this school was doing, but I cant help but see this other program jump in where kids should only be made to think about a certain thing, .. and well, it has not really turned us into the most smart of races..... the only thing kids NEED, is love, that's our only duty, for example, some parents think its terrible if a child see's porn mags or something.... My Bro used to show me some when I was about 5-6 and all i remember thinking was how most of the girls did not look very pretty and there puss did not look as nice as an ice cream did.... I am not sure how it scared me.... likewise if ever I saw violence it did not corrupt me.. one time there was a fight, I was very young and I remember my father taking me to the side and shielding me from the fight.... that's all I remember about it, not perfect my old man but covered the nit and gritty. Every kid will go out in the world and either express him/her self or spend alot of time wondering why they feel it so hard to do so....


Oh man. Wonderful post altogether. Damn it. This isn't even the job of state/school. It is your/my fucking job. Teach your children how you interpret sexuality and why you did it.

Key idea: "Think about why you had the kid in the first place and be honest or you are prone to mentally kill the kid. If you don't know what your talking about look it up and shut up until you do know something".

[kasalt]

all this is homophobic, silly, christian , right-wing (whatever you want to call it) propaganda. There is no causal relationship between homosexuality and child abuse. there are as many hetero child-abusers as homo child-abusers.

You speak as though there is no such thing as homosexual propaganda, and yet there is homosexual propaganda in your post.

Statistics show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.

[meksar]

I could talk about rabbis sucking the blood from freshly severed foreskins from young boys etc, the kabbalah is full of these nasty sexual rituals plus much darker stuff, so please do not defend the black occult rituals of these ancient texts.

[kingmonkey]

I could talk about rabbis sucking the blood from freshly severed foreskins from young boys etc, the kabbalah is full of these nasty sexual rituals plus much darker stuff, so please do not defend the black occult rituals of these ancient texts.

Source/link?

[kasalt]

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php


Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.
Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).
The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.
Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.
Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote "intergenerational intimacy."



Male Homosexuals Commit A Disproportionate Number of Child Sex Abuse Cases


Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.
Men Account for Almost All Sexual Abuse of Children Cases




An essay on adult sex offenders in the book Sexual Offending Against Children reported: "It is widely believed that the vast majority of sexual abuse is perpetrated by males and that female sex offenders only account for a tiny proportion of offences. Indeed, with 3,000 adult male sex offenders in prison in England and Wales at any one time, the corresponding figure for female sex offenders is 12!" 1 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn1)
Kee MacFarlane, et al., writing in Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment report: "The large majority of sexual perpetrators appear to be males (Herman & Hirschman, 1981; Lindholm & Willey, 1983)." 2 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn2)
A report by the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children states: "In both clinical and non-clinical samples, the vast majority of offenders are male." 3 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn3)
A study in the Journal of Sex Research states that "pedophilia does not exist, or is extremely rare, in women." 4 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn4)

A Significant Percentage of Child Sexual Abuse Victims are Boys




According to the Journal of Child Psychiatry: "It was commonly believed fifteen years ago that girls were abused in excess of boys in a ratio of about 9 to 1, but contemporary studies now indicate that the ratio of girls to boys abused has narrowed remarkably. . . . The majority of community studies suggest a . . . ratio . . . in the order of 2 to 4 girls to 1 boy." 5 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn5) The study adds that "some authors now believe that boys may be sexually abused as commonly as girls (Groth, 1978; O'Brien, 1980)." 6 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn6)
A study of 457 male sex offenders against children in Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy found that "approximately one-third of these sexual offenders directed their sexual activity against males." 7 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn7)

Sexual Abuse of Boys is Underreported


The actual percentage of child sexual abuse victims who are boys very likely exceeds the above estimates. Many researchers echo the view of the Journal of Child Psychiatry study, which refers to the "under-reporting of the incidence and prevalence of sexual abuse in boys." 8 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn8)


Dr. Robert Johnson, in Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, reports: "The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the incidents and their feelings to themselves." 9 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn9)
The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated: "Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not understand their victimization. . . . No matter what the investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were victims." 10 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn10)
The Journal of Child Psychiatry adds: "Boys are usually encultured into an ethos where self-reliance, independence and sexual prowess are valued, while showing hurt or homosexuality are denigrated. . . . This may lead to powerful repression or deletion of the experience, with failure to report." 11 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn11)

Homosexuals Comprise Less than 3 Percent of the Population


Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent. 12 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn12)


A study of the sexual behavior of men in the United States based on the National Survey of Men (a nationally representative sample comprised of 3,321 men aged twenty to thirty-nine, published in Family Planning Perspectives), found that "2 percent of sexually active men aged twenty to thirty-nine . . . had had any same-gender sexual activity during the last ten years. Approximately 1 percent of the men (1.3 percent among whites and 0.2 percent among blacks) reported having had exclusively homosexual activity. 13 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn13)
J. Gordon Muir, writing in The Wall Street Journal, discusses a number of studies that have found that homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population. 14 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn14)
In a survey of studies on homosexuals in different populations, the Archives of Sexual Behavior reported a random sample of Hawaii State residents interviewed by telephone. The study found "just about 3 percent of males and 1.2 percent of females as having engaged in same-sex or bisexual activity." 15 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn15) However, this relatively higher number is attributed to the fact that the study was not limited to exclusive homosexuals, but included all those who at some time in their lives engaged in same-sex activities. 16 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn16)

Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases


Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1." 17 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn17)
In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.
Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases:
The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al., 1993; Fay et al., 1989; Johnson et al., 1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al., 1999; Gebhard et al., 1965; Mohr et al., 1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles." 18 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn18)
The stark imbalance between homosexual and heterosexual child molestations was confirmed in the Archives of Sexual Behavior study itself, which divided 260 pedophile participants into three groups: "152 heterosexual pedophiles (men with offenses or self-reported attractions involving girls only), 43 bisexual pedophiles (boys and girls), and 65 homosexual pedophiles (boys only)." 19 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn19) In other words, 25 percent of the offenders were homosexual pedophiles -- or 41 percent if those who molest girls as well as boys are included.
Other studies report an unusually high percentage of child molestations by homosexual pedophiles:


A study on pedophilia in the Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa reported: "According to the literature, findings of a two-to-one ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles have been documented." 20 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn20)
The Journal of Sex Research reports a study that included "199 offenders against female children and 96 offenders against male children. . . . This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children." 21 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn21)
A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. 22 (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/one-a.php#_edn22)

[meksar]

Trust me if you do not the information please do not watch this vid

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q-IQLCgOTpg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl2mfiB6jQ&feature=related

[thirdwave]

I find it funny how the initial insinuation of the post is that Icke may not be a homophone "BUT..." Which obviously keeps the door open on the debate...

Yet when people bring up that the elites might be trying to mess with our sexuality, this is paranoid conspiracy theories...

not so much paranoia for me, its just unfair to only notice a gay agenda when clearly all sexuality has had the same treatment... so of course Gay sex will also take part in it and so on....

And its usually from people who just don't think Gay sex is ethical.

[hewrote]

as long as he's reptile-phobic then all is well!?

[thirdwave]

at that age they don't have a clear perception imo, and they're easier to manipulate.

When I was 15 I knew I was not gay... you?

[hewrote]

Is it okay to be phobic of gay reptilians!?!?!

[chris]

not so much paranoia for me, its just unfair to only notice a gay agenda when clearly all sexuality has had the same treatment... so of course Gay sex will also take part in it and so on....

I don't mean by "Gay agenda" that the idea is to turn everyone gay...They just want to mess us up in the head and confuse us as much as possible.

That's why they give children gay story books and now weird questionaires. Just teach them to fucking read and write! But they are not doing that.

I just don't understand how quickly it takes people to believe someone like Icke, who is probably the most liberal person in the world, to be homophobic.

[runciter]

not so much paranoia for me, its just unfair to only notice a gay agenda when clearly all sexuality has had the same treatment... so of course Gay sex will also take part in it and so on....

And its usually from people who just don't think Gay sex is ethical.

sodomy has to do with submission, from an ethological point of view.

[runciter]

When I was 15 I knew I was not gay... you?

don't be so close-minded... have you ever tried?

[poohkits]

Your highlighted text above.

Josh , Go through the last 200 postings on the headlines page and point out all the blatent homophobic ones to us will you?

Still waiting joshskye !

[chris]

sodomy has to do with submission, from an ethological point of view.

I don't think homosexuality has much to do with anal sex, woman have it, even straight men have it...

Yes, I know plenty of 'magicians' and many of them do it...

Homosexuality is about being attracted to the same sex. I just don't understand the way people falsly use words like 'homophobe' as an ad hominem.

The word 'homophobe' is also derogatory in that they make the receiver out to possess some kind of innane fear. This shows that it was created out to demagogue other people. This time Icke.

I think they are using PC people to kill freedom of speech and pass 'hate crime' bills and stuff.

[chris]

Still waiting joshskye !

Yeah, also they somehow think it's free season on Christians but most wickedly to put down a single article about a stupid teacher.

[oink]

It is disgusting to see David Icke’s site link to such a vehemently repulsive website that has a singular goal… the promotion of prejudice!This website has links to many right wing tabloids of which David Icke has not shown much sympathy for in the past. The stories are mere examples, not expressions of support for the organisation's sentiments. When you really look at the questions you can see, at your age, an ironic set of questions that look harmless. At the age of a child who has very little idea why they have been given this questionaire, all they can do is feel confused, bewildered and intimedated.

*Points finger at child and asks why they are such a bigot.*

"But it fights homophobia". No it doesn't. Some kid being lectured by one sheet of paper while their peers and guardians (ie newspapers, television and maybe their parents) are saying something completely different only creates resentment.

This kind of heavy handed lecturing also causes confusion. But that's the point. Have different sets of morales bombarding kids from all directions creates such a mixed confusion within their minds that they are far more easy to control as they grow. Those who have a moral objection to homosexuality will still have a moral objection, but it will be surpressed via the control, creating a barrier against the person learning to open their mind. And the end result? Burying peoples Prejudices so far beneath their consciesness, they don't realise how much resentment they have.

[oceano]

ha ha ha . :D:D After millions of years, the subject of SEX still has the power to stimulate...in our case a heated discussion. We did a very good job when we programmed these drives into all these body computers that our overarching being inhabits. It's all good. Gay sex = Good. Straight sex = good. Getting kids to empathise with their gay counterparts is good & vice versa. I don't see anything wrong with the questionnaire. I don't see anything wrong with the outrage it has caused either. Both have caused us and a lot of other people to have a long debate about it. A new reality has been created. FANTASIC. Keep it up y'all. It may be that, as a result of this, people begin questioning the often overlooked appalling treatment gay people receive. If you don't like your straight kids being asked these questions, then you will appreciate what gay kids have to go through almost every day if their sexuality is known. Then perhaps as a society we can move beyond this point and find something new to debate!!!!!!!!!!

[sunya]

ha ha ha . :D:D After millions of years, the subject of SEX still has the power to stimulate...in our case a heated discussion. We did a very good job when we programmed these drives into all these body computers that our overarching being inhabits. It's all good. Gay sex = Good. Straight sex = good. Getting kids to empathise with their gay counterparts is good & vice versa. I don't see anything wrong with the questionnaire. I don't see anything wrong with the outrage it has caused either. Both have caused us and a lot of other people to have a long debate about it. A new reality has been created. FANTASIC. Keep it up y'all. It may be that, as a result of this, people begin questioning the often overlooked appalling treatment gay people receive. If you don't like your straight kids being asked these questions, then you will appreciate what gay kids have to go through almost every day if their sexuality is known. Then perhaps as a society we can move beyond this point and find something new to debate!!!!!!!!!!

Well said.

[helloperator]

It's Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve

[sean]

I thought it was Anna and Eve?

[aee02]

I read the article from the other thread and I can see the viewpoint from both sides. I read recently a book called "The New Thought Police" by Tammy Bruce. Its about a former president of NOW who realized her organization and many others were actually being used to faciliate a new thought police in which political correctness was being turned on EVERYONE so that not only what they say would be monitored but that what they thought would be monitored too.

Its a swinging pendulum. First, there is the right wing neo cons who want to control by warmongering fear and then it is the left who wants to victimize everyone. And with every election the pendulum is being swung further to each side with ALL of us caught in the middle. I really feel this is kind of what David Icke was alluding to and not outright homophobia.

I have not been on this forum long enough to make a judgment call on the homophobic comments but I have seen a few. On the Marilyn Manson thread I saw some posts that used "Gay" in a derogatory way and I actually saw a post with the word "fag" in it several times. I know for some of you the word use of "fag" has a different meaning but for some of us it ranks up there with some words that make me sick to my ears.

I truly believe in the freedom of speech but lets remember there are people on these boards and not labels. When we treat each other that way (and I am speaking to myself as well) we are all coming down to the lowest of vibrations. There are some beautiful people on this forum and I appreciate all that I have learned thus far from their wisdom. Let's keep the big picture in mind... Thanks for listening.

PS-To get it out of my system... 1) I found out I was Gay when I was 15. 2) I'm pregnant and had rather adopted but the state government would not allow me to do-so I think Gay and depopulation is irrelevant in this instance. 3) I will homeschool my kids because I don't want indoctrination of ANY kind.

[sunya]

2) I'm pregnant and had rather adopted but the state government would not allow me to do-so

Nice post. Also welcome! :) Please explain this part.

[eternal_spirit]

I read the article from the other thread and I can see the viewpoint from both sides. I read recently a book called "The New Thought Police" by Tammy Bruce. Its about a former president of NOW who realized her organization and many others were actually being used to faciliate a new thought police in which political correctness was being turned on EVERYONE so that not only what they say would be monitored but that what they thought would be monitored too.

Its a swinging pendulum. First, there is the right wing neo cons who want to control by warmongering fear and then it is the left who wants to victimize everyone. And with every election the pendulum is being swung further to each side with ALL of us caught in the middle. I really feel this is kind of what David Icke was alluding to and not outright homophobia.

I have not been on this forum long enough to make a judgment call on the homophobic comments but I have seen a few. On the Marilyn Manson thread I saw some posts that used "Gay" in a derogatory way and I actually saw a post with the word "fag" in it several times. I know for some of you the word use of "fag" has a different meaning but for some of us it ranks up there with some words that make me sick to my ears.

I truly believe in the freedom of speech but lets remember there are people on these boards and not labels. When we treat each other that way (and I am speaking to myself as well) we are all coming down to the lowest of vibrations. There are some beautiful people on this forum and I appreciate all that I have learned thus far from their wisdom. Let's keep the big picture in mind... Thanks for listening.

PS-To get it out of my system... 1) I found out I was Gay when I was 15. 2) I'm pregnant and had rather adopted but the state government would not allow me to do-so I think Gay and depopulation is irrelevant in this instance. 3) I will homeschool my kids because I don't want indoctrination of ANY kind.


What I got form reading the article was it would make hetro children think there maybe something wrong with them for being hetro and gay is the right way to be. This could be viewed by some as "gay programming."

Fag is just another word for gay (same meaning, many people get offended by a different word that has the same meaning) A fag can also be used to mean a cigarette, as you can imagine there's many jokes can be made from that such as when someone has no cigarettes they'd say to another who has "Can I bum a fag" :p

People use words and they don't mean to offend, what's light hearted banter to some is offensive to others. I've not read this thread, there have been many gay threads and boy do they get out of hand.

[aee02]

Nice post. Also welcome! :) Please explain this part.

Hi Sunya-Thank you.:)

Yes-the pregnant part (lol). My Partner and I originally wanted to adopt because we felt there are so many children who need a safe and stable home. In the U.S. there are states in which homosexual couples are not allowed to adopt. A friend adopted several years ago but did it dishonestly because of these laws. She had to go through the adoption paperwork a few times to get the wording just right as to the explanation of the woman who was living with her (her partner). Although I understand why she did it and the family is doing well, we just couldn't be dishonest so we decided to go through a reproductive agency. We also looked into to being foster parents but for the same reasons as adoption we would not be able to go that route either. Thanks for asking.

[eternal_spirit]

An American said to me that a fanny is a ass (butt) Is this true? or just a yank on a wind up (joke lol) In England UK a fanny is a vagina.

[measle_weasel]

An American said to me that a fanny is a ass (butt) Is this true? or just a yank on a wind up (joke lol) In England UK a fanny is a vagina.

true

[eternal_spirit]

true


LOL! I could get myself in trouble if I ever got to America. :D

Reminds me of English sayings - stop fannying around and - stop assin about (both mean stop messing about)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/09/18/kennethwilliams8_396x222.jpg

[aee02]

What I got form reading the article was it would make hetro children think there maybe something wrong with them for being hetro and gay is the right way to be. This could be viewed by some as "gay programming."

Fag is just another word for gay (same meaning, many people get offended by a different word that has the same meaning) A fag can also be used to mean a cigarette, as you can imagine there's many jokes can be made from that such as when someone has no cigarettes they'd say to another who has "Can I bum a fag" :p

People use words and they don't mean to offend, what's light hearted banter to some is offensive to others. I've not read this thread, there have been many gay threads and boy do they get out of hand.

Hello Eternal Spirit,

I can definitely see your point of "gay programming" and no one wants to be manipulated by any kind of programming gay-or-straight. I have participated in Gay rights marches, Anti-war marches, Immigration marches, Homeless marches and one thing I have noticed is that when people come together out of genuine concern it gets hijacked by organizations that use the people for their own political and nefarious gains. The plan is to divide us and give us labels. Us and Them instead of We. I wish we didn't have these labels.

I am trying to see your point about the use of words. I don't know if I have been programmed to be so sensitive to it because I never want people to be uncomfortable to be themselves but at the same time the use of the word, "fag" in the states is very derogatory.

You are right that anything Gay is a hot button topic but in the future I will keep in mind what you have said here and I will try get a little more thick-skinned about it. Thank you for your post. :)

[aee02]

An American said to me that a fanny is a ass (butt) Is this true? or just a yank on a wind up (joke lol) In England UK a fanny is a vagina.

Yes, fanny is ass in the states. Does that mean we are assbackwards? No, please don't answer that... Also thanks for the heads up-I will keep that in mind for future posts.:p

[eternal_spirit]

Okay aee02 good post :) same as some find the other f*** word offensive. To quote fathers - "Don't you dare use that kind of language in front of your Mother." And a clip round the ear would have been the norm in the olden days.

[sunya]

Hi Sunya-Thank you.:)

Yes-the pregnant part (lol). My Partner and I originally wanted to adopt because we felt there are so many children who need a safe and stable home. In the U.S. there are states in which homosexual couples are not allowed to adopt. A friend adopted several years ago but did it dishonestly because of these laws. She had to go through the adoption paperwork a few times to get the wording just right as to the explanation of the woman who was living with her (her partner). Although I understand why she did it and the family is doing well, we just couldn't be dishonest so we decided to go through a reproductive agency. We also looked into to being foster parents but for the same reasons as adoption we would not be able to go that route either. Thanks for asking.

That is bullshit. On the plus side, children are awesome. I wish you many happy hours watching your kid doing crazy stuff and enlightening you about your filters. :p

[harris999]

I think the point they was making is that kids are being programed to care about sex and sexuality at such a young age. Where instead they should be learning and having fun, enjoying thier childhood etc.

[limelady]

I think the point they was making is that kids are being programed to care about sex and sexuality at such a young age. Where instead they should be learning and having fun, enjoying thier childhood etc.

I couldn't agree more!

[comawhite015]

Can't you look at that questionnaire as an incredibly ironic and thought provoking piece of work?

Those are questions that I get asked all the time, being gay. There would have been gay kids in that class with little smiles on their faces. The others getting a taste of their own medicine, as it were.

"WHAT DO YOU THINK CAUSED YOUR HOMOSEXUALITY?"

Read between the lines, fuckwits.

[realitycheck]

Paranoia paranoia.

[thirdwave]

I think the point they was making is that kids are being programed to care about sex and sexuality at such a young age. Where instead they should be learning and having fun, enjoying thier childhood etc.

that's a fair point of view..... I just dont dig how judgemental some are taught to be towards things that are considered as "not normal" ...

[thirdwave]

don't be so close-minded... have you ever tried?

closed minded?

Im not saying people should not do it... im saying if i am to have sex, my target would be a female because that what turns me on.... nothing to do with my mind, its to do with my body...

[limelady]

closed minded?

Im not saying people should not do it... im saying if i am to have sex, my target would be a female because that what turns me on.... nothing to do with my mind, its to do with my body...

Lol....he was just having you on TW. :D

[free_soul]

Is it possible that "questionaire" was ironic and meant to raise questions about societies "norms" and prejudices? Just thought that seeing as this was an English class, maybe the questionaire wasn't actually serious and more to do with a lesson in societies prejudices. Not sure though, i don't know the full story...

I have to agree it could be used for material in a debate later in the term i know we used to organize questionaires on things (mainly fox hunting subjects like that) to debate in future leasons. I dont like the idea that gay and lesbian is being shoved down our throats atm.

[limelady]

Can't you look at that questionnaire as an incredibly ironic and thought provoking piece of work?

Those are questions that I get asked all the time, being gay. There would have been gay kids in that class with little smiles on their faces. The others getting a taste of their own medicine, as it were.

"WHAT DO YOU THINK CAUSED YOUR HOMOSEXUALITY?"

Read between the lines, fuckwits.

Yes, but you are asked these questions because you are gay and you are fine with being gay and that's great - heterosexual people are curious to understand where you're coming from and what makes you different from them. This is normal human curiosity....no offence intended, and gay people ARE still a minority, so people may not have had an opportunity to speak so frankly, face to face with a gay person before. I've asked this same question (or similar) of several of my gay friends over the years, and they were more than happy to tell me how it is for them. I was fine with the answers, and it helped me understand that normal for them was just like normal was for me.

But the questionnaire in question was addressing a situation where young people were expected to understand it was a 'trick' question of sorts.....the roles wre reversed, and for somebody who is 100% heterosexual, surely it would have been somewhat confusing to understand how they were supposed to respond in order to get an "A" for this assignment?

Talk about a mind-fuck during your most formative years, and this sort of confusion is not (IMO) the best way to show young people tolerance of others. What it is doing (again IMO) is highlighting as "very different" something that SHOULD be considered normal for a certain percentage of the population.

[kweli]

Yes, but you are asked these questions because you are gay and you are fine with being gay and that's great - heterosexual people are curious to understand where you're coming from and what makes you different from them. This is normal human curiosity....no offence intended, and gay people ARE still a minority, so people may not have had an opportunity to speak so frankly, face to face with a gay person before. I've asked this same question (or similar) of several of my gay friends over the years, and they were more than happy to tell me how it is for them. I was fine with the answers, and it helped me understand that normal for them was just like normal was for me.

But the questionnaire in question was addressing a situation where young people were expected to understand it was a 'trick' question of sorts.....the roles wre reversed, and for somebody who is 100% heterosexual, surely it would have been somewhat confusing to understand how they were supposed to respond in order to get an "A" for this assignment?

Talk about a mind-fuck during your most formative years, and this sort of confusion is not (IMO) the best way to show young people tolerance of others. What it is doing (again IMO) is highlighting as "very different" something that SHOULD be considered normal for a certain percentage of the population.

Couldn't agree more.

Can't you look at that questionnaire as an incredibly ironic and thought provoking piece of work?

Those are questions that I get asked all the time, being gay. There would have been gay kids in that class with little smiles on their faces. The others getting a taste of their own medicine, as it were.

"WHAT DO YOU THINK CAUSED YOUR HOMOSEXUALITY?"

Read between the lines, fuckwits.

Why would that question upset you so much? Not every gay person is born that way - there are different reasons (yes even causes) for a change in sexuality.

[thirdwave]

Lol....he was just having you on TW. :D

ahh cant allways be sure! :)

[size_of_light]

I don't think Icke is homophibic... but...

There's always a 'but...' :rolleyes:

:eek:

No pun intended! ;)

[cruise4]

What's the score with bisphenol-A?

[matmantra]

Hmmm... I read it as an satirical empathetic questionnaire. That being said, I think if there is an agenda it's the exact opposite.

The mormon church (which most of you know is Illuminati ran) is attacking homosexuality big time right now. In California they banned Gay Marriages stripping people of basic human and equal rights they already had. Proposition 8 in California was mainly funded and supported by the Mormon Church (from Utah...having nothing to do with California). Their main "ammo" was that homosexuality was being taught in the classroom. This was a huge disinformation campaign and it barely passed. The whole idea here isn't about protecting marriage or the ethics of sexuality or protecting our children. The idea is to divide people in an attempt to start stripping rights and it's working. I think any "news" of any school mentioning homosexuality in any way is blown up and fed for the propoganda. I think we need to step back and think about who's doing what. It's well known that companies buy schools and tell them what to teach children (as explained in Zeitgeist Addendum). I just think anyone who buys into a "homosexual agenda" needs to think a little bigger as it's just a divide and conquer mechanism.

[ayomide]

I've noticed there are many homophobic people on this forum. They all about love, spirituality and shit but they very phobic. I don't know David Icke and neither do the rest of you know him personally, it's one thing to say I am not homophobic but your actions suggest another. so if he is or not does not really matter but the rest of the homophobic shits here you definately need to come out and tell us you gay cause if it bothered you so much you wouldn't say shit about homosexuality!

As for sexual education being enforced on young kids - instead of bitching about it why don't you people start taking action? Also in today's world with all these chemicals and hormones we consume - children are starting puberty at a very young age, the mass media and also parents who neglect thier kids and put them infront of the TV - that's thier education - where are the adults? It's very easy to blame others for your own mistakes i.e Illuminati - they programming my kids, and a long rant follows but why the f**k don't you switch of the damn tube and let your kid build puzzles, legos and read? Use thier imagination? I've noticed in 1st world countries - kids lack that!

To end off again there is absoulutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, neither is it unnatural so if you think there is please grin and bear it or grow up and crawl away.

[haukipesukone]

I don't think Icke is homophibic... but...

There's always a 'but...' :rolleyes:

:eek:

No pun intended! ;)

You lie! That was so intended. I knows it. Admit it!

[elirien]

I've noticed there are many homophobic people on this forum. They all about love, spirituality and shit but they very phobic. I don't know David Icke and neither do the rest of you know him personally, it's one thing to say I am not homophobic but your actions suggest another. so if he is or not does not really matter but the rest of the homophobic shits here you definately need to come out and tell us you gay cause if it bothered you so much you wouldn't say shit about homosexuality!

well I'd like to put my input here if it is worth anything. I never met one male homosexual person who didn't identify himself with his sexuality or didn't have a traumatic background on his choices when it came to men and women. how can I claim that it is natural? There is the thing. If you see perceive love=sexuality then there is of course nothing wrong with homosexuality. but love imho is not sexuality that is why I can love anybody without making love to them. would be quite weird if I did anyway (I mean oneness is ok but I draw the line somewhere :D).

Now since I don't see love as sexuality how can homo-sexuality be natural? well the gear won't fit anyway. I don't use "the drainage" for "entry". There is purpose in every organ. Now if it comes to satisfying my hormonal urges well then we play in a whole new ballpark. There are tons of far easier methods to saturate yourself with "anti-hormonal activity" then rather... well you get the picture.

Eat less pork or chicken damn it. Don't watch some over hyped rnb slave's clip on MTV and listen to the music (if you can bear it). I mean there are a lots of methods to invest your bodily interest in.

But I do understand people that choose to invest their sexual urges in that way. I do understand people drinking diet coke as well. It's choice.


As for sexual education being enforced on young kids - instead of bitching about it why don't you people start taking action? Also in today's world with all these chemicals and hormones we consume - children are starting puberty at a very young age, the mass media and also parents who neglect thier kids and put them infront of the TV - that's thier education - where are the adults? It's very easy to blame others for your own mistakes i.e Illuminati - they programming my kids, and a long rant follows but why the f**k don't you switch of the damn tube and let your kid build puzzles, legos and read? Use thier imagination? I've noticed in 1st world countries - kids lack that!

Oh hell yeah. I totally agree to that. Very true. Raising a kid is quite different from raising a cat. That's why I don't want any right now. I'm a kid myself.


To end off again there is absoulutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, neither is it unnatural so if you think there is please grin and bear it or grow up and crawl away.



well if you want to generalize then there is nothing "wrong" as an enforcing idea. Although it is up to us to choose what idea we use to understand reality.

[pinkfreud]

well I'd like to put my input here if it is worth anything. I never met one male homosexual person who didn't identify himself with his sexuality or didn't have a traumatic background on his choices when it came to men and women. how can I claim that it is natural? There is the thing. If you see perceive love=sexuality then there is of course nothing wrong with homosexuality. but love imho is not sexuality that is why I can love anybody without making love to them. would be quite weird if I did anyway (I mean oneness is ok but I draw the line somewhere :D).

Now since I don't see love as sexuality how can homo-sexuality be natural? well the gear won't fit anyway. I don't use "the drainage" for "entry". There is purpose in every organ. Now if it comes to satisfying my hormonal urges well then we play in a whole new ballpark. There are tons of far easier methods to saturate yourself with "anti-hormonal activity" then rather... well you get the picture.

Eat less pork or chicken damn it. Don't watch some over hyped rnb slave's clip on MTV and listen to the music (if you can bear it). I mean there are a lots of methods to invest your bodily interest in.

But I do understand people that choose to invest their sexual urges in that way. I do understand people drinking diet coke as well. It's choice.


great post there buddy.

[ayomide]

well I'd like to put my input here if it is worth anything. I never met one male homosexual person who didn't identify himself with his sexuality or didn't have a traumatic background on his choices when it came to men and women. how can I claim that it is natural? There is the thing. If you see perceive love=sexuality then there is of course nothing wrong with homosexuality. but love imho is not sexuality that is why I can love anybody without making love to them. would be quite weird if I did anyway (I mean oneness is ok but I draw the line somewhere :D).

I am aware of what love is - and my perceptions of it. Also please refrain from putting all homosexuals in one box, we not all the same. Not all of us decided to be gay or had some traumatic experience - the only traumatic experience I get is from homophobes. I also did not say anything about love being sexuality so please do stay on topic:)

Now since I don't see love as sexuality how can homo-sexuality be natural? well the gear won't fit anyway. I don't use "the drainage" for "entry". There is purpose in every organ. Now if it comes to satisfying my hormonal urges well then we play in a whole new ballpark. There are tons of far easier methods to saturate yourself with "anti-hormonal activity" then rather... well you get the picture.

I was not referring to love - I was talking about homosexuality and homophobia and people like you and your ideas and comments like those you made which are very ignorant but you all for one love, peace etc but cannot accept another facet of life. You are entitled to your opinion but do not enforce your standard on someone. Also I made no reference to anything sexual - which I have noticed most homophobic people always seem to make reference too. Oh and that 'Drainage' for 'Entry' really classic but please note that homosexulity - a person either male or female attracted to thier own sex. So you only made reference to gay men - makes me wonder I bet you get turned on by 2 women at it?

Eat less pork or chicken damn it. Don't watch some over hyped rnb slave's clip on MTV and listen to the music (if you can bear it). I mean there are a lots of methods to invest your bodily interest in.

But I do understand people that choose to invest their sexual urges in that way. I do understand people drinking diet coke as well. It's choice.


I don't eat pork also just to get something clear I am a vegatarian - I lead a very healthy lifestyle, I don't even watch MTV, and I listen to very positive music.

I am on my way to a very balanced Chakra :) Thank-You.

Oh hell yeah. I totally agree to that. Very true. Raising a kid is quite different from raising a cat. That's why I don't want any right now. I'm a kid myself.


Glad we can agree to that.;)

well if you want to generalize then there is nothing "wrong" as an enforcing idea. Although it is up to us to choose what idea we use to understand reality.


You know we have very different veiws on homosexuality, I do not veiw it as wrong or sinful or even disgusting - and also when I talk of homosexuality I am talking about both male and female.
Also when I generalize I look at both sides and I let my intuition guide me.

:)

[pinkfreud]

Also I made no reference to anything sexual - which I have noticed most homophobic people always seem to make reference too.[/FONT]

but that's the thing. homosexual people are as 'guilty' as homophobic individuals in this context, coz they are talking about sexuality as well. aka the physical dimension, or one's bodily preference. it's a different thing altogether you may not be touching upon gay sex, but this is the bone of contention, it has always been about sex, whether we like it or not.

also, everybody who talks or debates about this is not a homophobe. that would be slotting everybody in a box too, would it not?


and also when I talk of homosexuality I am talking about lesbians aswell - why don't you also make reference to them - I bet you do get turn on seeing 2 woman at it right? But veiw gay men as disgusting.[/FONT]


that's a very good point. i've always wondered why people's mindsets veer towards gay men, and not women, when it comes to homosexuality.

i guess it because the general perception of homosexual men is that they have anal sex? i don't know, would like if you could help me look into this further.

[element]

that's a very good point. i've always wondered why people's mindsets veer towards gay men, and not women, when it comes to homosexuality.

i guess it because the general perception of homosexual men is that they have anal sex? i don't know, would like if you could help me look into this further.

No, it's because most males like to see woman on woman action. It's a strange phenomena which can't really be explained I think.

[breezinreezin]

No, it's because most males like to see woman on woman action. It's a strange phenomena which can't really be explained I think.

Does nothing for me mate.

[onourwayto2012]

" So you only made reference to gay men - makes me wonder I bet you get turned on by 2 women at it?"

well.............................................. ........................

[elirien]

great post there buddy.

Thanks pink ;)

I am aware of what love is - and my perceptions of it. Also please refrain from putting all homosexuals in one box, we not all the same. Not all of us decided to be gay or had some traumatic experience - the only traumatic experience I get is from homophobes. I also did not say anything about love being sexuality so please do stay on topic:)

What does "we homosexuals" mean? Are we talking about you or are we generalizing? I don't know how you are dude. What you lived, what you remember, what you don't, what you tell me. That's why we use the word "if".

Well you are saying "we homosexuals" and categorizing yourself apart from non-homosexuals (like mason, non-mason). You are making a choice that I don't make. It doesn't matter if its spiritual or physical. Even if some dude kicks you in the head or what ever you still have the choice to cure yourself. Now you are probably going with the "what! homosexuals are not sick people!" routine but have this in mind: I didn't meet anyone that hasn't had a traumatic experience. Even rape victims begin after a while to express themselves naturally. If one aspect of expression is sex then can't ones idea be manipulated into an un natural way. I'm not trying to persuade you or anything but just trying to further the debate here. If you want you have the choice to say "fuck you bigot!" and change topic but don't think that I am having a go at you. It is not about you.

I was not referring to love - I was talking about homosexuality and homophobia and people like you and your ideas and comments like those you made which are very ignorant. You are entitled to your opinion but do not enforce your standard on someone. Also I made no reference to anything sexual - which I have noticed most homophobic people always seem to make reference too.

I don't enforce anything but you are calling me a bigot right there :D What aspect am I not knowing. Teach me dude. Homosexuality is about sex by the way if you don't know that :D Just joking.

I don't eat pork also just to get something clear I am a vegatarian - I lead a very healthy lifestyle - grow my own foods etc, I don't even watch MTV, and I listen to very positive music.

Nice dude. Hope I can be like you some day. Living in the city sucks. You don't even have decent places to breathe any more.


I am on my way to a very balanced Chakra :) Thank-You.

I hope I'll be that way too. Although I can't claim that untill I am probably and I don't think I'll be around here when I am :)


You know we have very different veiws on homosexuality, I do not veiw it as wrong or sinful or even disgusting - and also when I talk of homosexuality I am talking about both male and female.
Also when I generalize I look at both sides and I let my intuition guide me.

:)

Well yeah but that is choice you know. I don't look at men in any erotic way. Not that I say that men are ugly or anything but because I don't choose to have an arousal when I look at someone I love. It is not about aesthetics. If it was I would probably pay some women so I can have them at the office and have a look at them every time I get bored of work lol. Sex is not about aesthetics imho. So if you want to create a subclass of that then homosexuality shouldn't be about aesthetics either. I differ there I think rather then claiming that its sinful or disgusting or something. As I said before I do look at both sides but I don't have sex with both sides to learn. You learn with your brain not with well you know :D Although if you meant experiencing something to learn what it is, I'm pretty sure what I want and don't want inside my body (or the other way around).

Peace dude ;)

[tyler]

No, it's because most males like to see woman on woman action. It's a strange phenomena which can't really be explained I think.

That doesn't turn me on either. Straight sex for me, when I can get it!

[grenadene]

What a bizarre topic of debate? do people really pay that much attention to who sleeps with who or why. I have no idea why some people are gay perhaps it's because they happen to fancy the same sex? I frankly don't care as it is non of my business.

There are 6 billion + of us on the planet and it stands to reason that we'll pair up in all kinds of ways. Not all relationships are for the purpose of procreation, so all sex for pleasure comes down to personal preference.

A human soul may or may not decide to have offspring, they may stay single, become an astronaut ... the possibilities are endless. Whenever I hear about research for the 'gay gene' I always think what's the problem, homosexuality is well documented throughout history. It obviously isn't a mechanism of powers that be... this is individual choice.

Interestingly Queen Victoria never made it an offence to be a lesbian, she refused to accept it as an issue because she couldn't see what they could possibly do together. I think for some men, gay sex screams 'violation'! and it ruffles their feathers, they think it is a plague that's going to take over the world, they may be sodomised in their beds if it becomes law!!! :eek:

I think everyone needs to chill out about the whole gay thing... if anyone had failed to notice we have some genocidal maniacs on our hands ;)

[thirdwave]

No, it's because most males like to see woman on woman action. It's a strange phenomena which can't really be explained I think.

does not turn me off... but I'm not as crazy about it as other guys I know..

[joe911]

You speak as though there is no such thing as homosexual propaganda, and yet there is homosexual propaganda in your post.

Statistics show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.

That doesnt make homosexuality wrong tho does it? because a small minority do such things,,i know mollestation is bad no matter who does it, but what if it were something like hair colour instead of sexuality, say in a sample of 100 cases 40 of the criminals were blonde would this make having blonde hair wrong???

I am gay, i have not been brainwashed (not that i know of) and spew no such agenda that many think exists, i love my partner we are both gay by choice and our only prioritys are with each other,we dont care what other people do-as long as we have each other were happy so what gives people the right to interfere in other peoples lifes and say whats right and wrong?
people shouldnt concern themselves with these things,why cant it just be "ok this happens, i wouldnt like to do it myself but im not against it"

Many people (especially at my age) say they love people when in reality they only fancy them,i sit in class and listen to people "oh im with --- but i fancy --- but hes with --- but likes me and ....., people are sluts who have no understanding of love, just the illusion of love.

Maybe one day the consciousness will come where we can all live happily together, regardless of religion,colour,sexuality,nationality and everything else that people seem to think divides us, we are all human and its time people started growing up.

[unimatrix0]

That doesnt make homosexuality wrong tho does it? because a small minority do such things,,i know mollestation is bad no matter who does it, but what if it were something like hair colour instead of sexuality, say in a sample of 100 cases 40 of the criminals were blonde would this make having blonde hair wrong???

I am gay, i have not been brainwashed (not that i know of) and spew no such agenda that many think exists, i love my partner we are both gay by choice and our only prioritys are with each other,we dont care what other people do-as long as we have each other were happy so what gives people the right to interfere in other peoples lifes and say whats right and wrong?
people shouldnt concern themselves with these things,why cant it just be "ok this happens, i wouldnt like to do it myself but im not against it"

Many people (especially at my age) say they love people when in reality they only fancy them,i sit in class and listen to people "oh im with --- but i fancy --- but hes with --- but likes me and ....., people are sluts who have no understanding of love, just the illusion of love.

Maybe one day the consciousness will come where we can all live happily together, regardless of religion,colour,sexuality,nationality and everything else that people seem to think divides us, we are all human and its time people started growing up.

Great post. :)

[eternal_spirit]

No, it's because most males like to see woman on woman action. It's a strange phenomena which can't really be explained I think.

The answer is easy - Some straight men cant stand the sight of another straight man's bits and piece, so two gay men at it can be very disturbing to watch for some. So lesbo porn is a turn on.

Movie - imagine opening scene, nice looking girl lying naked on bed, man with shaved balls and wobbly willy walks in (his bits and pieces look a bit like an ageing skinhead with a crooked, out of shape nose.

See this is going to be another one of those never ending gay threads, just like the Bible threads.

[oceano]

What's the gay equivalent of a womaniser ? Sorry, just heard the stupid Britney song on the radio :p

Womaniser, womaniser, womaniser oh you're a womaniser, womaniser I know just what you are oh womaniser, oh you're a womaniser baby! :D

[eternal_spirit]

What's the gay equivalent of a womaniser ? Sorry, just heard the stupid Britney song on the radio :p

Womaniser, womaniser, womaniser oh you're a womaniser, womaniser I know just what you are oh womaniser, oh you're a womaniser baby! :D

A man eater:confused: and use your imagination. Damn I got issues with gender only in my answer though. A woman is a maneater who has alot of men.

Anyway I'm confuddled.

[eternal_spirit]

I am gay, i have not been brainwashed (not that i know of) and spew no such agenda that many think exists, i love my partner we are both gay by choice and our only prioritys are with each other,we dont care what other people do-as long as we have each other were happy so what gives people the right to interfere in other peoples lifes and say whats right and wrong?
people shouldnt concern themselves with these things,why cant it just be "ok this happens, i wouldnt like to do it myself but im not against it"

Many people (especially at my age) say they love people when in reality they only fancy them,i sit in class and listen to people "oh im with --- but i fancy --- but hes with --- but likes me and ....., people are sluts who have no understanding of love, just the illusion of love.

Maybe one day the consciousness will come where we can all live happily together, regardless of religion,colour,sexuality,nationality and everything else that people seem to think divides us, we are all human and its time people started growing up.


Young and gay. You may find you prefer the girls more one day. Seriously some younger people can change their preferences in time, same goes for older people but happens much less too them.

And the fancy stuff - some people get even worse with age. But yes I remember school well. God I was popular back in the day :o

I'm straight male for now lol.

[elirien]

That doesnt make homosexuality wrong tho does it? because a small minority do such things,,i know mollestation is bad no matter who does it, but what if it were something like hair colour instead of sexuality, say in a sample of 100 cases 40 of the criminals were blonde would this make having blonde hair wrong???

I am gay, i have not been brainwashed (not that i know of) and spew no such agenda that many think exists, i love my partner we are both gay by choice and our only prioritys are with each other,we dont care what other people do-as long as we have each other were happy so what gives people the right to interfere in other peoples lifes and say whats right and wrong?
people shouldnt concern themselves with these things,why cant it just be "ok this happens, i wouldnt like to do it myself but im not against it"

Many people (especially at my age) say they love people when in reality they only fancy them,i sit in class and listen to people "oh im with --- but i fancy --- but hes with --- but likes me and ....., people are sluts who have no understanding of love, just the illusion of love.

Maybe one day the consciousness will come where we can all live happily together, regardless of religion,colour,sexuality,nationality and everything else that people seem to think divides us, we are all human and its time people started growing up.

Well actually that was exactly my point. It is not wrong to love. How could it be right? No one can tell you what wrong is actually. You have to define it for yourself.

I agree also to eternal spirit's perspective. Ah the irresponsible years in school... One misses them occasionally. Dang I had fun in school (although I couldn't say that I was the A grade student).

I mean debating ones sexuality is like debating their preference in what they like to eat. No one can tell you to do anything. You have to find out for yourself. Although people can have different opinions and it is important to understand the reasons for these differences.

[ayomide]

What a bizarre topic of debate? do people really pay that much attention to who sleeps with who or why. I have no idea why some people are gay perhaps it's because they happen to fancy the same sex? I frankly don't care as it is non of my business.

There are 6 billion + of us on the planet and it stands to reason that we'll pair up in all kinds of ways. Not all relationships are for the purpose of procreation, so all sex for pleasure comes down to personal preference.

A human soul may or may not decide to have offspring, they may stay single, become an astronaut ... the possibilities are endless. Whenever I hear about research for the 'gay gene' I always think what's the problem, homosexuality is well documented throughout history. It obviously isn't a mechanism of powers that be... this is individual choice.

Interestingly Queen Victoria never made it an offence to be a lesbian, she refused to accept it as an issue because she couldn't see what they could possibly do together. I think for some men, gay sex screams 'violation'! and it ruffles their feathers, they think it is a plague that's going to take over the world, they may be sodomised in their beds if it becomes law!!! :eek:

I think everyone needs to chill out about the whole gay thing... if anyone had failed to notice we have some genocidal maniacs on our hands ;)

Thank-You:) Nicely written:p Whats your numerology number? Are you a 9?


that's a very good point. i've always wondered why people's mindsets veer towards gay men, and not women, when it comes to homosexuality.

i guess it because the general perception of homosexual men is that they have anal sex? i don't know, would like if you could help me look into this further.

You know what Pink - I honestly don't know how to help you understand that. I'll start observing people and ask them questions regarding it.

But let me try -

Ok I am going to look at it from a surface level - a heterosexual man is instintually attracted to women - so seeing a naked woman would automatically give him an erection. So when he see's 2 woman it's double the amount of hormones and more erect his phallis gets. Now it's all a chemical reaction that takes place.. hormones secreted etc

Now when they see 2 men - they do not respond sexually as thier natural instinct does not cause a reaction. And start veiwing it as unnatural..however the ones that are comfortable with thier sexuality do not express digust and remain neutral.

The Adam and Eve story also springs to mind so it conflicts leading to confusion and misunderstanding.

If I have to admit something - my thoughts are similar to a females - thats probably why most gay men have female companions and I think it's the opposite for lesbians who are similar to hetero males - but heres another thing - it takes a male and female to make a child - but the thing that I realised is that we all have masculine and feminine poles within us - when we balance them out then we have harmony. It's a complex matter and I am not sure if I explained it correctly - but lets try and get to the root of it or at least close enough :)

[comawhite015]

That doesnt make homosexuality wrong tho does it? because a small minority do such things,,i know mollestation is bad no matter who does it, but what if it were something like hair colour instead of sexuality, say in a sample of 100 cases 40 of the criminals were blonde would this make having blonde hair wrong???

I am gay, i have not been brainwashed (not that i know of) and spew no such agenda that many think exists, i love my partner we are both gay by choice and our only prioritys are with each other,we dont care what other people do-as long as we have each other were happy so what gives people the right to interfere in other peoples lifes and say whats right and wrong?
people shouldnt concern themselves with these things,why cant it just be "ok this happens, i wouldnt like to do it myself but im not against it"

Many people (especially at my age) say they love people when in reality they only fancy them,i sit in class and listen to people "oh im with --- but i fancy --- but hes with --- but likes me and ....., people are sluts who have no understanding of love, just the illusion of love.

Maybe one day the consciousness will come where we can all live happily together, regardless of religion,colour,sexuality,nationality and everything else that people seem to think divides us, we are all human and its time people started growing up.

That was brilliant. =)

[elirien]

You know what Pink - I honestly don't know how to help you understand that. I'll start observing people and ask them questions regarding it.

But let me try -

Ok I am going to look at it from a surface level - a heterosexual man is instintually attracted to women - so seeing a naked woman would automatically give him an erection. So when he see's 2 woman it's double the amount of hormones and more erect his phallis gets. Now it's all a chemical reaction that takes place.. hormones secreted etc

Now when they see 2 men - they do not respond sexually as thier natural instinct does not cause a reaction. And start veiwing it as unnatural..however the ones that are comfortable with thier sexuality do not express digust and remain neutral.

The Adam and Eve story also springs to mind so it conflicts leading to confusion and misunderstanding.

If I have to admit something - my thoughts are similar to a females - thats probably why most gay men have female companions and I think it's the opposite for lesbians who are similar to hetero males - but heres another thing - it takes a male and female to make a child - but the thing that I realised is that we all have masculine and feminine poles within us - when we balance them out then we have harmony. It's a complex matter and I am not sure if I explained it correctly - but lets try and get to the root of it or at least close enough :)

wonderful post dude. makes me remember: sexuality role play (behaviourism of different genders) has got to do with the equipment but rather how you seem to use it. hormonal activity influences that but isn't the controlling factor imho. spiritual gender is something totally different imho and that can be also interpreted in male/female views.