Free man - South Africa

[chateaux]

Hello everyone,

I am researching the laws/acts/statutes whatever you want to call them in South Africa and am looking for anyone this side of the world who is interested in doing the same.

I have been prodding the system and have found similar deceptions to other countries.

Please PM me should you be willing to join in my investigations.

[dondaz]

Hey chateaux. I suggest looking into any tribes that have reclaimed/claimed land from the governtment or corporations. The freeman movement has grown tremendously in New Zealand since the native people started to use Common Law/claim of rights etc. There's also the wise Credo Mutwa, a friend of Ickes, I think he lives in SA, he may know about some of these things. He would be well worth seeking out to ask a few questions. Remember to take your camera. I bet he knows a few things about traditional African Laws that may be of some help.

Good luck on your journey, keep in touch on here so we can share in your adventure.:)

[pleasuredome]

Hello everyone,

I am researching the laws/acts/statutes whatever you want to call them in South Africa and am looking for anyone this side of the world who is interested in doing the same.

I have been prodding the system and have found similar deceptions to other countries.

Please PM me should you be willing to join in my investigations.

nice one, chateaux. keeps us informed of your progress :cool:

[chateaux]

Hey guys,

I have been speaking with the locals about their common laws and funnily enough was supposed to film Credo about 10 years ago (the project fell through unfortunately). Credo I believe has become somewhat reclusive in his old age but definitely worth seeking out for clarity on something like this.

Been studying the movement for sometime now and as mentioned in my post would be great to be able to connect with like minded people this side of the world who can help sift through the illusion. Can be quite depressing as a lot of this info has made me look like a crack pot.

[yozhik]

Can be quite depressing as a lot of this info has made me look like a crack pot.

I hear ya! Over the years, I've developed enough thick skin to deflect the comments and the sideways looks, whenever someone asks me for my opinion, but then doesn't really want to hear it at all. Instead of getting the reasurring agreement of their mainstream ideas, they tend to recoil when I tell them "the truth". In return, I usually receive their "crackpot" labels.

Oh well; such is life.

[skywalker42]

Hi chateaux

Do you perhaps know what law dictionary our law system uses and where to get the acts and statutes.

From http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/South_Africa.htm#_Dictionaries
it does not seems we use the same dictionary that Rob Menard talks about.

I suppose its important so we can find out how the "person" is defined.

Other loose thoughts:
Is our ID number our "social security number" ??
Is our Constitution superior to the law. ??
I have heard that our Constitution is one of the most "liberal" in the world.
I suppose thats good (for us) if its true.

Please keep us posted

Cheers
from "this side of the world"

[skywalker42]

Hi chateaux

Seems like I've answered my own question :)

On this site (http://www.info.gov.za/documents/constitution/index.htm) it says:
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The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. No other law or government action can supersede the provisions of the Constitution.

South Africa’s Constitution is one of the most progressive in the world and enjoys high acclaim internationally.
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Some more links I found:

Our Bill of Rights (http://www.info.gov.za/documents/constitution/1996/96cons2.htm)

http://www.gics.co.za/

Green Gazettte (http://www.greengazette.co.za/)

Gov Documents (http://www.info.gov.za/faq/documents.htm)

Acts (http://www.acts.co.za/)
This one seems very user-friendly and complete.
You get the complete original act, not just the amendments
as on some site.
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Google "Identification Act", the first entry
PDF] Identification Act [No. 68 of 1997]
They talk a lot about Identification cards, but still no
definition for "person"
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Registration of birth (http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/register_birth.asp)
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Parliament-Glossay (http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/content.php?Item_ID=85#A)
Act – A law made by Parliament, i.e. legislation passed by both Houses of Parliament, assented to and signed by the President and published in the Government Gazette.
Does this mean: Act=Law :eek:

Cheers

[skywalker42]

THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA is also registered on the
US Securities and Exchange Commission, just like CANADA.See here (http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0000932419&owner=include&count=40)

With a business in Washington and a mail address in Pretoria.????

THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA
is also a registered corporation on the SEC, filed by
TELKOM SA LTD. :confused: :confused:

Link here (http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0001254425&action=getcompany)

What does all this mean ? :confused:

Can I sue them :D

Cheers

[chateaux]

Yes the REPUBLIC is on the SEC, which pretty much means company law prevails and thus the law of contracts.

The definition for the "republic" as defined by the income tax act is as such:

"means the Republic of South Africa and, when used in a geographical sense, includes the territorial sea thereof as well as any area outside the territorial sea which has been or may be designated, under international law and the laws of South Africa, as areas within which South Africa may exercise sovereign rights or jurisdiction with regard to the exploration or exploitation of natural resources;"

I guess this should be translated as:

"means the company REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA and, when used in a geographical sense, includes the territorial sea thereof as well as any area outside the territorial sea which has been or may be designated, under international law and the laws of South Africa, as areas within which South Africa may exercise sovereign rights or jurisdiction with regard to the exploration or exploitation of natural resources;"

Now what does this mean: "the laws of South Africa". South Africa in this sense is different from REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA (the company).

Whats interesting about THE GOVERNMENT OF SOUTH AFRICA owning Telkom is quite interesting... If it is deceptive, imagine the news in the paper: The government of South Africa has purchased / or owns 39.3 % of Telkom... The people of the land would think, cool... we own a large chunk of telkom... But does the government? Or is this something else...

All very interesting.