Lawful Rebellion Conference In The UK

[stickwhistler]

Lawful Rebellion Conference In The UK

This is on the Rense.com front page.

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/
Lawful Rebellion - Actions Not Words

:)

[pleasuredome]

fantastic that its on rense. i've already got my ticket. cant wait!! :cool:

[grenadene]

fantastic that its on rense. i've already got my ticket. cant wait!! :cool:

Well I should see you there then :)

This should be fun!

[alternative_answer]

Lawful Rebellion Conference In The UK

This is on the Rense.com front page.

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/
Lawful Rebellion - Actions Not Words

:)

Dear Fellow Briton

Do You Care About Our National Sovereignty? Our Politicians do not.

The collective political establishment consisting of the three main political parties have agreed amongst themselves, without our consent, to transfer our national sovereignty to the EU in Brussels. This process commenced in 1972 with the signing of the Treaty of Rome and concludes when the Lisbon Treaty comes into force.

The loss of our national sovereignty is not fanciful or a remote prospect, it is an absolute certainty, and the process is now in the final phase, unless the politician’s plans are stopped.

Time is not on our side.

This notice is to alert you to a vital conference being held on the 24th January 2009 at Stoke-On-Trent (details attached) at which we will set out a strategy to secure the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union. Our emphasis is Actions Not Words.

We are drawing down on the provision of our ancient law of Magna Carta and are moving to declare ‘lawful rebellion’ against the tyranny of this and any other government that will not recognise and defend the sovereignty of this nation. We the people have a right to govern ourselves – no political party, government or parliament has the authority to deprive us of that right.

There is now only one option remaining which can prevent the loss of our sovereignty and rule by an unelected EU political elite - everything else has been tried and has failed. The masses must now be provoked into action to bring the full might of the people to bear down on the political establishment to remind them that, they serve us.

The people themselves need to demonstrate their desire for self-governance. To help provide momentum to this cause we need numbers at the conference.

If you do care about the sovereignty of your nation please support us and:

1. Book a place at the conference*

2. Pass this notice on to others.

3. Contact us, it helps us to gauge the level of activity.

4. If you can, please make a donation.

5. Read the attached document and understand how we will achieve our objectives.

6. Copy the attached, tell others what is happening, put it in your local library, doctor’s surgeries, leave it on a bus or hand it to taxi drivers – please spread the word.

Actions not words – If you want to help - do as many of the above as you can.

“For evil to prosper all it takes is that good men do nothing” Edmund Burke.





Register Now at: -

www.thebcgroup.org.uk - or call 01752 312 743 – 9am – 2pm Mon - Fri.
or call 0781 352 9383 (or send a text to register your name & number and we will call you)
or send a cheque for £12.50 per person to 7 Holland Road. Wallasey. Wirral. CH45 7QZ

It is vital that if you can - please attend the conference. There is no substitute for your presence to demonstrate to others the level of support that we can muster – we want the political camp reeling from the level of support nation-wide.
For practical reasons – please register as early as possible.

Thank you.

The British Constitution Group.

I will be travelling from Bournemouth, if there are any others who are on Bornemouth, Poole, Chrishchurch, Ringwood and even on route further up country please get in touch. We could hire a mini bus, I am willing to drive it. Please get in touch.

[ag3nt5mith]

My cheque is in the mail WOOT. :)

All I can say is, ABOUT FRIGGING TIME...

We need to keep hacking at those roots.

See Ya'll there. :cool:

[jojo]

well, its in my home town so ill be there!

we must all get together for a drink afterwards!

[jojo]

anyone else going?

[jahzel]

What we really need in the UK is a US-style DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and BILL OF RIGHTS/UK CONSTITUTION.

But it's never going to happen is it?

[grenadene]

well, its in my home town so ill be there!

we must all get together for a drink afterwards!

anyone else going?

That's my ticket booked.... I'll be wearing a hat with grenadene written on it (on one head anyhow!) :D

[dondaz]

Rense is good. He plugged one of my movies on his front page. He likes to help out. I'll definately be going to this one. I've seen Brian Gerish speak live. He's very good, very interesting:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XGEgHZh21Eo

Albert Burgess is a proper character who clearly knows just how to deal with dodgy police & polititions:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=In-9ueWhU1Y

John Harris, founder of TPUC and Freeman On The Land:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LMkI4Y1Iing

Everyone over this side of the ocean should go to see these guys talk. See you there!;)

[pleasuredome]

That's my ticket booked.... I'll be wearing a hat with grenadene written on it (on one head anyhow!) :D

i'll be turning up in a paddington bear outfit :D

[DONDAZ] I'll definately be going to this one.

looking forward to seeing you there mate. cant wait to see albert burgess, he's a top man!

[yozhik]

I think my better half has consented to us flying to the UK for this :) ... me for the conference; her for some overdue retail therapy :rolleyes:

[godspeed]

thats me booked up....cant wait i'll be wearing my godspeed track top.....
anyone needing a lift one way from glasgow pm me.....im heading on south after so wont be returning for a week....but if your going my way your very welcome ok..........cant wait just feels like i know all the speakers well.....certainly have dealt with john harris personally and he's got my respect for all his help with the law.:)

[cacadores]

The loss of our national sovereignty is not fanciful or a remote prospect, it is an absolute certainty, and the process is now in the final phase, unless the politician’s plans are stopped......

We are drawing down on the provision of our ancient law of Magna Carta and are moving to declare ‘lawful rebellion’ against the tyranny of this and any other government that will not recognise and defend the sovereignty of this nation. We the people have a right to govern ourselves – no political party, government or parliament has the authority to deprive us of that right.

Could you tell me how you made your interpretation? The Magna Carta was a document signed by the Sovereign and his Barons....and they also agreed to give some protection and due process to ordinary Englishman in a feudal society.......whilst, making no mistake, maintaining power in their own hands. Today, that means the Queen and the House of Lords. They since agreed to relinquish the right to tax to the House of Commons. And that's it.

All British laws (except tax laws and the organic law which is Common Law) are the result of successive agreements between the Sovereign and Parliament every time they pass legislation.

The People of Britian have no fundamental rights, except those rights that the Queen and Parlaiment decide to give them. They could take all the people's rights away tomorrow if they wanted and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. The only immutable rights are the EU declaration on Human Rights and subsequent laws passed there: a place Britons have even less say about. Britons are subjects, pure and simple.

Britons practical ability to be protected from the state, is two-fold: one, free speech and two, ability to access the organs of state. Both of which are functions of a pluralist Parliamentary democracy.

Sorry, the Magna Carta gets superseeded everytime the Queen signs a new bit of legislation.
We the people have a right to govern ourselves Er.......no, not really. The English state was founded on the principal of feudalism. We have no 'we, the people' document. The only fundamental rights are with the House of Commons and the Queen. And the EU.
Britons have no fundamantal rights. Even the air we breathe, the coastline, the tides, many animals, billions in British assets and large tracts of the country (and of other countries) are owned by the Crown, not us.

defend the sovereignty of this nation. The sovereignty of this nation IS the Queen and Parliament, not the people.

[tien an]

Posted by cacadores




All British laws (except tax laws and the organic law which is Common Law) are the result of successive agreements between the Sovereign and Parliament every time they pass legislation.


...and your point is?

[tien an]

Posted by cacadores




All British laws (except tax laws and the organic law which is Common Law) are the result of successive agreements between the Sovereign and Parliament every time they pass legislation.


...and your point is?

PS

Common Law is this: That which is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
Expressly prohibited are:
1. Causing harm
2. Breach of the Peace
3. Committing Fraud

In opposition to Napoleonic Law which is this: That which is not expressly allowed is prohibited.

Note: (don't castigate me for semantics!) LAW is not STATUTE!

[1694]

PS

Common Law is this: That which is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
Expressly prohibited are:
1. Causing harm
2. Breach of the Peace
3. Committing Fraud

In opposition to Napoleonic Law which is this: That which is not expressly allowed is prohibited.

Note: (don't castigate me for semantics!) LAW is not STATUTE!

Where has this idea come from? That is not common law at all.

[malvern]

should be a great day.... some intresting subjects ..looking forward to this.

ever since i first came across Brian , I've looked into common purpose in a big way , now myself and john white have exposed Transition Towns and it's hidden top down agenda .....

Criteria for becoming an official Transition Initiative ;http://malvernmessages.free-forums.org/criteria-for-becoming-an-official-transition-initiative-vt1270.html


As for Albert and John , the work these two have done into the law and treason , what can i say but respect.



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[vienna]

great stuff! - I'll be there

[grenadene]

PS

Common Law is this: That which is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
Expressly prohibited are:
1. Causing harm
2. Breach of the Peace
3. Committing Fraud

In opposition to Napoleonic Law which is this: That which is not expressly allowed is prohibited.

Note: (don't castigate me for semantics!) LAW is not STATUTE!

Where has this idea come from? That is not common law at all.

Well it should be :)

[1694]

Well it should be :)

We could make it a statute if you like? Or atleast try. If successfull we would give these rights to the nation with the stroke of a pen.

[tien an]

We could make it a statute if you like? Or atleast try. If successfull we would give these rights to the nation with the stroke of a pen.

So....who's we?

[1694]

Anyone, us on this forum, though we lack the "muscle" that might be required to get the legislation passed and probably the skillset to draft it.

If it was something we could get "The Sun" to take up, like a statute that makes all peadophiles wear big "I am a pervert" signs we would probably get the public pressure needed.

[tien an]

Where has this idea come from? That is not common law at all.

1694...here's a history lesson:

Ever since judges in this country began passing judgement on anything outside the realm of the three main tenets of decent civilization, namely:

Do no harm.
Do not breach the peace.
Do not defraud.

...they have had to 'judge' for themselves, on the merit of the cases before them, what remedy to award the plaintiff.
Subsequent judges have referred to previous cases to draw on the experience and 'justice' (of what has passed before), that they may pass a fair and equitable judgement.
This is what is known as 'common law'. It is called 'common law' because that was 'common practice' for a judge. It exists in precisely that form today.
It is also known as 'case law' or jurisprudence; the concept has been copied throughout the world.

Therefore, until the moment the judge awards remedy, that which is not expressly prohibited is allowed.

It is a this point that a Notice of Understanding and Intent, followed by a Claim of Right, would give a judge something on which to base his judgement.

Throughout, I have omitted the use of the term 'statute'. That term was invented long afterward.

I hope this helps you understand.

PS My direct source is to be found halfway through the first video on the first post of the 'Codex Alimentarius' thread. Try it out; it's essential knowledge.
(You do eat, don't you?)

[tien an]

Anyone, us on this forum, though we lack the "muscle" that might be required to get the legislation passed and probably the skillset to draft it.

If it was something we could get "The Sun" to take up, like a statute that makes all peadophiles wear big "I am a pervert" signs we would probably get the public pressure needed.

I do wish you would speak in the first person when you want to impose your fascist ideals on others.
1. I do not want to create statutes.
2. I do not want to perpetrate the equivalent crime of forcing jews to wear a yellow star of David.
3. By its very essence the Freeman route has to be taken alone (or as a family unit), otherwise you're back to point 1. (above) in that you are creating a statute by consent.
4. Although all the press lie...sorry, 'have their own agenda', you could have picked a better organ with which to associate yourself, if that's the path you wish to take.
5. There already exists a means by which you can have a statute created: Talk to your MP. (And unless yours happens to be called **** *****, I don't think you're going to have much luck.)

Remember:
"Just because we share an enemy, don't assume I'm on your side".

[dondaz]

1694, I just know you wont be turning up at the conference. Pity!

[1694]

1694, I just know you wont be turning up at the conference. Pity!

I Pm'd you about it but you never got back, i am still considering it even though its a bit of a treck.

Ill wear a name badge if I come so don't go leathering some poor sod who asks a question that sounds like one of mine.

[1694]

I do wish you would speak in the first person when you want to impose your fascist ideals on others.
1. I do not want to create statutes.
2. I do not want to perpetrate the equivalent crime of forcing jews to wear a yellow star of David.
3. By its very essence the Freeman route has to be taken alone (or as a family unit), otherwise you're back to point 1. (above) in that you are creating a statute by consent.
4. Although all the press lie...sorry, 'have their own agenda', you could have picked a better organ with which to associate yourself, if that's the path you wish to take.
5. There already exists a means by which you can have a statute created: Talk to your MP. (And unless yours happens to be called **** *****, I don't think you're going to have much luck.)

Remember:
"Just because we share an enemy, don't assume I'm on your side".

"We could make it a statute if you like? Or atleast try. If successfull we would give these rights to the nation with the stroke of a pen."

Notice the polite offer of a suggestion, I never told anyone what to do. I suggested that it might be an idea for us to attempt to get a stuatutory law that gives us written status of freedom except:

1. Causing harm
2. Breach of the Peace
3. Committing Fraud

I thought is sounded like a good idea. I think even Rob suggested a Magna Carter 2.

But as you so accurartly quote, I we don't all have the same goals. Though I am confused by your sudden change of position?

The peadophile issue is more relevant than you think, public pressure from sensationalist newspapers is what is shaping the new statutes on sex offenders. The idea that "we the people" could influence government statutes that would benefit everyone is actually more community spirited that going it alone and "im all right jack" of freemanism.

I said we could do it, because I cannot alone, it would take "we" lots of us. If I could write one letter to my MP and free us all I would. I doubt it would get past his secratery, 1000000 letters to MPs accross the country might have more sway.

[tien an]

"We could make it a statute if you like? Or atleast try. If successfull we would give these rights to the nation with the stroke of a pen."

Notice the polite offer of a suggestion, I never told anyone what to do. I suggested that it might be an idea for us to attempt to get a stuatutory law that gives us written status of freedom except:

1. Causing harm
2. Breach of the Peace
3. Committing Fraud

I thought is sounded like a good idea. I think even Rob suggested a Magna Carter 2.

But as you so accurartly quote, I we don't all have the same goals. Though I am confused by your sudden change of position?

The peadophile issue is more relevant than you think, public pressure from sensationalist newspapers is what is shaping the new statutes on sex offenders. The idea that "we the people" could influence government statutes that would benefit everyone is actually more community spirited that going it alone and "im all right jack" of freemanism.

No.
I would prefer to be governed by common law.
Creating a statute, which, is in effect a privilege, which can also be witheld, IMO defeats the object.

"Sudden change of position"?
Ah; my quoting your sig'?
No; that was only to remind you of your purported position.

I certainly don't see Freemanism (or whatever it may be called), as an "I'm all right Jack" concept. On the contrary: It's the assuming of total responsibility for your actions as well as enjoying the freedom from flexible, mutable statutes that follow the dominant contemporary opinion.

As for the paedophile issue, I too am appalled by the number of children abused in this country...or around the world really.
That it is "more relevant" than I think...dunno; I really haven't formed an opinion in that direction yet.

[tien an]

(added whilst I was responding to 1694)

"I said we could do it, because I cannot alone, it would take "we" lots of us. If I could write one letter to my MP and free us all I would. I doubt it would get past his secratery, 1000000 letters to MPs accross the country might have more sway."

Come on now; you're more positive than that, aren't you?
Sure, a huge petition...
but to suggest he won't do anything about it...

[tien an]

"Ill wear a name badge if I come so don't go leathering some poor sod who asks a question that sounds like one of mine." (1694)

A bit negative here too eh?

Tell me; do you know dondaz?
Do you know what type of bloke he is?
Does he look like the type of bloke that would go around 'leathering' poor sods?
Does he hit them with the camera?
...or does he do something unimaginable with that thumb that he's threatening everyone with in his avatar?

[1694]

No.
I would prefer to be governed by common law.
You think a judge is un corruptable? As another post somewhere indicates the US constitution I think it was, was written to overcome the corruption that had arrisin in the common law system
Creating a statute, which, is in effect a privilege, which can also be witheld, IMO defeats the object.
Everything in life is a privilidge. A statute is the most solid form of protection a legal system can offer.
"Sudden change of position"?
Ah; my quoting your sig'?
No; that was only to remind you of your purported position.
Yes you seemed angry at the idea that we should work to create freedoms for ouselfs and the whole nation whitout others even having to know about it. Providing universal provide civil liberties I thought might be something we agreed on.

I certainly don't see Freemanism (or whatever it may be called), as an "I'm all right Jack" concept. On the contrary: It's the assuming of total responsibility for your actions as well as enjoying the freedom from flexible, mutable statutes that follow the dominant contemporary opinion.
But you only do it for yourself or your family. Why not change the whole stinking system so we are all free.

As for the paedophile issue, I too am appalled by the number of children abused in this country...or around the world really.
That it is "more relevant" than I think...dunno; I really haven't formed an opinion in that direction yet.
The point was the public were shaping the laws :eek: not just having them handed down.


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[1694]

"Ill wear a name badge if I come so don't go leathering some poor sod who asks a question that sounds like one of mine." (1694)

A bit negative here too eh?

Tell me; do you know dondaz?
Do you know what type of bloke he is?
Does he look like the type of bloke that would go around 'leathering' poor sods?
Does he hit them with the camera?
...or does he do something unimaginable with that thumb that he's threatening everyone with in his avatar?

Verbally

[tien an]

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"...the corruption that had arrisin in the common law system."

Hence my wish to return to "pure" common law, if you like.

"Everything in life is a privilidge. A statute is the most solid form of protection a legal system can offer."

Your opinion, which I don't share.

"Providing universal provide civil liberties I thought might be something we agreed on."

Human rights, yes; civil liberties, no.
( it seems you still can't distinguish between the human being and the PERSON.)
Human beings enjoy rights, which are immutable, as are laws.
A civilian is, by definition 'civic', a citizen, and therefore a PERSON and falls under the jurisdiction of Admiralty Law, which is the world of statutes and legal fictions for the purpose of having an entity on which to impose the statutes.

[1694]

"...the corruption that had arrisin in the common law system."

Hence my wish to return to "pure" common law, if you like. Pure common law? What do you mean by that? Common law isn't pure it is the whim of a decision made at the time. You might wish for a pure justice system, but common law won't provide that. Humans are fallable.

"Everything in life is a privilidge. A statute is the most solid form of protection a legal system can offer."

Your opinion, which I don't share. Please list to me your entitlements and where they come from, and why they apply to you and not an snail. Give me an example of a better method of protection. (if you say common law, that means the law came after the crime was committed....so you allow crimes then decide? A statute tries to pre empt crimes from happening.)


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[tien an]

Please list to me your entitlements and where they come from, and why they apply to you and not an snail.


Please list me your reasons for wishing to detract from the subject of this thread, which is the Lawful Rebellion Conference In The UK.

Here we go again...it'll be dolphins and 16-week old foetus' in a minute!

[yozhik]

A statute is the most solid form of protection a legal system can offer.
1694 ... you claim to be genuine in your interest re: Freeman, and then in the next breath, you advocate MORE statutes and glorify them as the great protector.

You, sir, are a liar.
A Freeman, or one GENUINELY interested in the Freeman concept, would NEVER support MORE statutes and embrace them as his protection.

Thank you for revealing your true self. Enough of your BS.

[1694]

1694 ... you claim to be genuine in your interest re: Freeman, and then in the next breath, you advocate MORE statutes and glorify them as the great protector.

You, sir, are a liar.
A Freeman, or one GENUINELY interested in the Freeman concept, would NEVER support MORE statutes and embrace them as his protection.

Thank you for revealing your true self. Enough of your BS.

I admit I am a fan of the US constitution (a statute), if only the amricans lived by it. A Statute is just a law that has been written down, Magna Carta, Bill of Rights (both) etc are all statute, if our unwritten constitutione was put to paper it would be a statute, "common law" decisions can be the basis for writting new statutes, the 10 commandments might even be a statute if we lived under christian religious law.

You could even write a statute making all other statutes illegal, or a statute stating that common law would be the highest rule of law. All you would be doing is writting it down.

[dondaz]

I Pm'd you about it but you never got back, i am still considering it even though its a bit of a treck.

Yeah, I need to catch up answering my pms. I presumed you meant the one that took place in Derby. That it did take place I mean? Yes, it did.

Ill wear a name badge if I come so don't go leathering some poor sod who asks a question that sounds like one of mine.

Not at all, I think you'd make an excellent conversationalist on film. Clearly the freeman movement needs someone of your scope to learn from. I am getting hundreds of messages and e-mails every week asking me to make more vids on Freeman Phillosophy.

Where has this idea come from? That is not common law at all.

This is the type of thing I'd like to cover with you, amongst all the other areas you have mastered. I'd be delighted to engage you in conversation on these things. It would make a great vid, I'm sure. Look forward to seeing you at the conference then;)

[1694]

Yeah, I need to catch up answering my pms. I presumed you meant the one that took place in Derby. That it did take place I mean? Yes, it did.



Not at all, I think you'd make an excellent conversationalist on film. Clearly the freeman movement needs someone of your scope to learn from. I am getting hundreds of messages and e-mails every week asking me to make more vids on Freeman Phillosophy.



This is the type of thing I'd like to cover with you, amongst all the other areas you have mastered. I'd be delighted to engage you in conversation on these things. It would make a great vid, I'm sure. Look forward to seeing you at the conference then;)

Dondaz my man I know it's tempting to get side tracked, but many claim I muddy the waters on these issues, your proported goal is to research freemanism, not belittle people with a bit of clever editing ;) Most researchers, scientists and even artists claim their goal is truth not a personal victory. Don't make the goal of your activites staking a victory over me at the expence of learning about the concepts, practices and realities of freemanism.

I guess this goes for everyone, you are not here to "win" because winning makes us feel good, this is about "the truth."

Track back through the threads, have I ever questioned anyones motives, called them a disinfoer, or told them they are a distraction? No. This isn't about me V you. Look back and see who has posted what is really off topic ie, stuff about me personally.

If I can't make the conference Ill PM you a list of questions if you like Dondaz. You can put the Qs to the freemen on camera and call the vid "Debunking the Freeman Debunkers."

[pleasuredome]

Dondaz my man I know it's tempting to get side tracked, but many claim I muddy the waters on these issues, your proported goal is to research freemanism, not belittle people with a bit of clever editing ;) Most researchers, scientists and even artists claim their goal is truth not a personal victory. Don't make the goal of your activites staking a victory over me at the expence of learning about the concepts, practices and realities of freemanism.

I guess this goes for everyone, you are not here to "win" because winning makes us feel good, this is about "the truth."

Track back through the threads, have I ever questioned anyones motives, called them a disinfoer, or told them they are a distraction? No. This isn't about me V you. Look back and see who has posted what is really off topic ie, stuff about me personally.

If I can't make the conference Ill PM you a list of questions if you like Dondaz. You can put the Qs to the freemen on camera and call the vid "Debunking the Freeman Debunkers."

lighten up and dont take everything you read so seriously. if you come along i'll buy you a beer with my benefit money :D ;)

[grenadene]

Well I for one am very much looking forward to the conference and I'm looking forward to meeting some of you guys. 1694 - we are on the same side! I like your questions though, it gets things clear in my head for arguing with the opposition. It would be a shame if you couldn't make it.. .I'm looking forward to a 'pile on and monkey scrub!!' :)

[boots]

I admit I am a fan of the US constitution (a statute), if only the amricans lived by it. A Statute is just a law that has been written down, Magna Carta, Bill of Rights (both) etc are all statute, if our unwritten constitutione was put to paper it would be a statute, "common law" decisions can be the basis for writting new statutes, the 10 commandments might even be a statute if we lived under christian religious law.

You could even write a statute making all other statutes illegal, or a statute stating that common law would be the highest rule of law. All you would be doing is writting it down.

The constitution is not a statute. It's a LAW:rolleyes:
_____________________________________________

Blacks Law Dictionary.. Constitution 1.

The fundamental and organic law of a nation or state.
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Blacks Law Dictionary..statute.

A law passed by ( Now this is when it becomes a statute not just a law):rolleyes: A LEGISLATIVE BODY ( corporation ), Legislation enacted by any lawmaking body, including legislatures, administrative boards and municipal courts.
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Blacks Law Dictionary..1 Common Law

The BODY of law derived from judicial decisions rather than from statutes or constitutions.



An unwritten constitution, is not a CONSTITUTION.


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[zarah]

The constitution is not a statute. It's a LAW:rolleyes:
_____________________________________________

Blacks Law Dictionary.. Constitution 1.

The fundamental and organic law of a nation or state.
____________________________________________

Blacks Law Dictionary..statute.

A law passed by ( Now this is when it becomes a statute not just a law):rolleyes: A LEGISLATIVE BODY ( corporation ), Legislation enacted by any lawmaking body, including legislatures, administrative boards and municipal courts.
_____________________________________________

Blacks Law Dictionary..1 Common Law

The BODY of law derived from judicial decisions rather than from statutes or constitutions.



An unwritten constitution, is not a CONSTITUTION.


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Black's Law Dictionary is 'black letter' law, which is objective rather than subjective, critical legal theory challenges this method and is more subjective in its definitions. The English and Welsh constitution IS an unwritten constitution, which is different to codified constitutions such as France and Germany, where the constitution is written down, but it's nonetheless a binding set of conventions and rules.

[boots]

Black's Law Dictionary is 'black letter' law, which is objective rather than subjective, critical legal theory challenges this method and is more subjective in its definitions. The English and Welsh constitution IS an unwritten constitution, which is different to codified constitutions such as France and Germany, where the constitution is written down, but it's nonetheless a binding set of conventions and rules.

Blacks Law dictionary is the one that is referred too when it comes to definitions for all legal matters. Yes it is objective, legal theory is challenged in courts everyday so imo this is why it is a smarter choice to refer back to the origin of law.

Unwritten constitutions are a set of customs and values that provide the organic and fundamental laws of the state.

The documents Magna Carta Bill of rights etc are Common Laws of the land. Made into a unwritten constitution, a Fundamental law of the state.

When relating this to the Freeman movement this does not apply in the sense that a person is now defined as a corporate entity subject to statutes that apply to Non living things ie persons corporate entities. But we should not answer to "kings and Queens" but to a creator. So all bets are of. No more statutes or acts, or even common laws.:eek: But one on moral grounds.

[1694]

Lawful Rebellion itself is made legal by a statute (if it still stands?? I believe it does, cmiiw). The Magna Carter, a statute, contains the clause that provides for Lawful Rebellion.

This is a contradictory to the idea that all statues regulate commerce and are revenue raising operations. That also goes for the offences against a person act which lays down rules for all kinds of ways you are not to harm people, breaking those statutes wont result in a fine, it will be prison time which costs money rather than collecting it.

[yozhik]

An unwritten constitution, is not a CONSTITUTION.


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Constitution. The organic and fundamental law of a nation or state, which may be written or unwritten, establishing the character and conception of its government, laying the principles to which its internal life is to be conformed, organising the government, and regulating, distributing, and limiting the functions of its different departments, and prescribing the extent and manner of the exercise of sovereign powers. A charter of government deriving its whole authority from the governed.

Black's 5th edition

[1694]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

A worthwhile read.

[yozhik]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

A worthwhile read.

Indeed.

This being ... IMHO ... the most relevant and disturbing passage;

The UK Constitution has no fundamental written source, and is ever changing. It relies much on unwritten convention. Dicey himself identified that ultimately "the electorate are politically sovereign," and Parliament is legally sovereign. Barendt argues that the greater political party discipline in the House of Commons that has evolved since Dicey's era, and the reduction in checks on governmental power, has led to an excessively powerful government that is not legally constrained by the observance of fundamental rights.[10] A Constitution would impose limits on what Parliament could do without a legal majority. To date, the Parliament of the UK has no limit on its power other than the possibility of extra-parliamentary action (by the people) and of other sovereign states (pursuant to treaties made by Parliament and otherwise).

It has been claimed that the unwritten British Constitution is a refusal by people in power to communicate to those subject to that power the extent of that power and the rights available to prevent and/or effectively remedy the abuse of that power.

[1694]

I'l remain interested in the theory of commercial redemption as the concept of freemanism seem sound enough, but for now it is a sieve I'm not prepared to go to sea in, the legal proceudres and claims of commercial redemption don't seem to hold water.

The only "law" that will matter at the end of the day: "might trumps right" always has, always will, we should be prepared for that.

[lesactive]

Ah, but as I mentioned in another post, their authority is backed by violence and coercion yet they are supposed to act in good faith and fairness. A lot of what we do is simply get them to show their hand. They can't pretend to be acting in good faith if they're forcing you against your will to fulfill an alleged duty that you've never agreed to fulfill.

As for commercial redemption, I've seen it work. You can't create a liability on someone without also providing a remedy, it IS that simple.

[zarah]

When relating this to the Freeman movement this does not apply in the sense that a person is now defined as a corporate entity subject to statutes that apply to Non living things ie persons corporate entities. But we should not answer to "kings and Queens" but to a creator. So all bets are of. No more statutes or acts, or even common laws.:eek: But one on moral grounds.

I agree. There's an argument in critical legal studies which is gaining more momentum, which contends that natural law (law which is based on our collective morality as such) is a higher law than statute or common law, because to breach natural law is to go against our natural self. Although much of UK law is said to have its foundations in natural law, the argument is frequently used against the concept of such 'man-made' law.

[zarah]

Lawful Rebellion itself is made legal by a statute (if it still stands?? I believe it does, cmiiw). The Magna Carter, a statute, contains the clause that provides for Lawful Rebellion.

This is a contradictory to the idea that all statues regulate commerce and are revenue raising operations. That also goes for the offences against a person act which lays down rules for all kinds of ways you are not to harm people, breaking those statutes wont result in a fine, it will be prison time which costs money rather than collecting it.

As far as I'm aware only 3 clauses from MC remain - something to do with the rights of cities, the right to worship and habeas corpus (which is being eroded as we speak.)

[boots]

I agree. There's an argument in critical legal studies which is gaining more momentum, which contends that natural law (law which is based on our collective morality as such) is a higher law than statute or common law, because to breach natural law is to go against our natural self. Although much of UK law is said to have its foundations in natural law, the argument is frequently used against the concept of such 'man-made' law.


Yes exactly.

No one can truly go against natural law as we are, all subjected to it.


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[cacadores]

Posted by cacadores
All British laws (except tax laws and the organic law which is Common Law) are the result of successive agreements between the Sovereign and Parliament every time they pass legislation.
...and your point is?
The Magna Carta is just a contract. It gets amended. It gives no absolute rights. As the post said.

[cacadores]

We could make it a statute if you like? Or atleast try. If successfull we would give these rights to the nation with the stroke of a pen.So someone could take them away again - with the stroke of a pen?

[cacadores]

Therefore, until the moment the judge awards remedy, that which is not expressly prohibited is allowed.

It is a this point that a Notice of Understanding and Intent, followed by a Claim of Right, would give a judge something on which to base his judgementRight, but when you do get taken to court, all the statutes apply just the same as they would anyway.

[cacadores]

No.
I would prefer to be governed by common law.
Creating a statute, which, is in effect a privilege, which can also be witheld, IMO defeats the object.

Common law is just the body of old cases and statutes have precedence anyway.

Whether you 'prefer' it or not!

[boots]

Right, but when you do get taken to court, all the statutes apply just the same as they would anyway.

Statutes only apply to people who are chattel of a corporation in a court of law.

The government is a corporation and it's statutes apply only to persons-chattel, not to freeman OTL who have broken the presumption..... thats all it takes.....and realize that they are not a STRAWMAN or dead entities of a corporation, to be used and abused.

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[1694]

Statutes only apply to people who are chattel of a corporation in a court of law.

The government is a corporation and it's statutes apply only to persons-chattel, not to freeman OTL who have broken the presumption..... thats all it takes.....and realize that they are not a STRAWMAN or dead entities of a corporation, to be used and abused.

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We have already established that statutes apply to persons, persons inlcude natural persons, you are a natural person, it has nothing to do with your birth certificate, it is just a distinction that means you fall within the jurisdiction of the law (common or statute), so you as a person can't be harmed, de frauded etc. You as a non person human being can be exploited with no legal recourse. This means that even if a court is fraudulent, if you claim you are not a person, it can still F you in A if the balifs are bigger and stronger than you, the only thing you can do is struggle with the baliffs, you cant use some legal jiggery pokery.....because the law doesn't apply to you, so it wont protect you.

If you want to live by natural law you have no need for rambling letters to the government, you live by what you can do and what you can't do, not what you claim you can and can't do.

[1694]

So someone could take them away again - with the stroke of a pen?

What else can you do from within the system? You have to do "win" your rights and then I guess defend them.

What happens when the system makes you having rights a crime? Either defend them then and there, or campaign to bring them back...without breaking the laws.

Catch 22

[the infinite one]

We (wholetruthcoalition.org) organised this event, please tell as many people to attend.

I'll see you all there.

[cacadores]

Statutes only apply to people who are chattel of a corporation in a court of law.
The government is a corporation and it's statutes apply only to persons-chattel, not to freeman OTL who have broken the presumption..... thats all it takes.....and realize that they are not a STRAWMAN or dead entities of a corporation, to be used and abused..
No - statutes apply to everyone in the country whether they are 'freemen' or not. Unless you have immunity, like the Queen or diplomants.

And you contradict yourself: we are all ('freemen' included) subjects of the Crown, which is a corporation. It matters not how you chose to identify yourself. Aren't you getting mixed up with the U.S?

[rob menard]

No - statutes apply to everyone in the country whether they are 'freemen' or not. Unless you have immunity, like the Queen or diplomants.

And you contradict yourself: we are all ('freemen' included) subjects of the Crown, which is a corporation. It matters not how you chose to identify yourself. Aren't you getting mixed up with the U.S?

Actually here you are demonstrably wrong. In Canada you will not find the word 'everyone' except in the criminal code dealing with actual crimes. Otherwise they almost always use the term 'every person' and since not every one is a person, the statute does not apply to those who do not have a person or identify as one. There is a very big difference between 'every one' and 'every person', however if you simply refuse to see it and choose to ignore you will not see it, and still be able to claim moral or intellectual superiority.

Rob

PS- those who cannot accept that we are all equal, and choose instead to see themselves as a child or needing permission will never accept the Freeman perspective.

I am reminded of my friends young boy who told me I could not touch an antique heirloom in his house, as he had been forbade from doing so.

[dondaz]

Dondaz my man I know it's tempting to get side tracked, but many claim I muddy the waters on these issues, your proported goal is to research freemanism, not belittle people with a bit of clever editing ;) Most researchers, scientists and even artists claim their goal is truth not a personal victory. Don't make the goal of your activites staking a victory over me at the expence of learning about the concepts, practices and realities of freemanism.

I guess this goes for everyone, you are not here to "win" because winning makes us feel good, this is about "the truth."

Knowing the truth, to me, is an integral part of winning. You heard the term 'Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.' That's what you are doing in this forum mate, nothing more.

You are the one that has to live with yourself and what you are doing.

If I can't make the conference Ill PM you a list of questions if you like Dondaz. You can put the Qs to the freemen on camera and call the vid "Debunking the Freeman Debunkers.

So, I take that as your get out clause. You just would not want to be filmed whilst sowing the seeds of deciet. You obviously do not believe in your heart that what you are doing is right.

[cacadores]

There is a very big difference between 'every one' and 'every person', however if you simply refuse to see it and choose to ignore you will not see it, and still be able to claim moral or intellectual superiority.
UK law uses the term 'a person', 'no person', 'any person' etc. It's defined in many parts of the statute as synonymous to a human: in the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 or the Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 (c.71) etc.

So what makes you think the word 'person' requires concent for it to apply to you?

[boots]

No - statutes apply to everyone in the country whether they are 'freemen' or not. Unless you have immunity, like the Queen or diplomants.

And you contradict yourself: we are all ('freemen' included) subjects of the Crown, which is a corporation. It matters not how you chose to identify yourself. Aren't you getting mixed up with the U.S?

Absolute rubbish.


Do some research instead of just trolling:rolleyes:


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[1694]

Knowing the truth, to me, is an integral part of winning. You heard the term 'Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.' That's what you are doing in this forum mate, nothing more.

A "win" over me won't do anything for you in itself, discovering the truth might prove me "wrong" incedentally and make you feel like good, but is a feeling of satisfaction over your fellow man what motivates you?

You are the one that has to live with yourself and what you are doing.
I haven't killed myself yet. I am under no illusions about myself, I don't believe my motives or actions are so noble that others should be humbled by me. I am in this conversation for my own knowledge primarily, I make no secret of this.


So, I take that as your get out clause. You just would not want to be filmed whilst sowing the seeds of deciet. You obviously do not believe in your heart that what you are doing is right.

An appeal to the ego? Haha, I can see the tactic of that approach. No sir I have no wish to publicly broadcast my image onto the internet. As most on here I value my privacy, I don't want strangers watching video's of me for their own pleasure. I have as little wish to hand out perhapse the most personal thing I own in my image to the public Youtube database as I have for the government to house it on their database. I would consider the behind/off camera question poser to those who whish to exhibit themselfes, but that purpose can as easily be served with your good self posing the questions.

I have not sewen one seed of deceit, doubt maybe. As ever I ask you too look at the posts i make, they are all based on an analysis of the available information, I fail to see a lie in them.

I have full beleif in what I am doing, otherwise I wouldn't do it. Some people say they did things they didn't believe in, but actions speak louder than words, they did believe, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. Judge me on my actions, not what you think you know about me. To reitterate, I am finding out what I want to know here, I could claim I am doing it for the good of man but I am not that pious, I would share the info willingly with other people, but that isn't why i learned it. If you find an answere in freemanism, will you remain a slave and free others, I doubt it, you will free yourself as well so accept your own selfish motivations before judging me.

At any rate this is getting very off topic.

[grenadene]

I hope everyone who can make it to the conference does!

I'm really looking forward to it :)

[yozhik]

UK law uses the term 'a person', 'no person', 'any person' etc. It's defined in many parts of the statute as synonymous to a human:

Ummm ... exactly.

It is defined as being "synonymous to".
It is not defined as a human, but rather, defined as being synonymous to.

Is this your statement of fact?


From Black's 5th;

Synonymous. Expressing the same or nearly the same idea.

Idea? Since when has a human being, a man, been an "idea"?


So what makes you think the word 'person' requires concent for it to apply to you?

Because, by your definition, it can not apply to a man - a human - without consent.
Given that it is flawed in its definition, it is only by consent that a false definition could be applied, for, without consent, by its own illogic, it can not be applied.

"This statute applies to fictitious entities that express the same idea as a human." ... does not mean it applies to a human.
Therefore, for it to apply to a human, a human would have to consent to being a person or an idea as opposed to a human being.
You can not be an idea and a being; once an idea becomes a being, it is no longer an idea.


Seems fairly straight forward and relatively simple to comprehend.

[Ian2day]

I am beginning to think that this freeman route is a path to being a serf fixed to the land. To going back to being a slave of the landowners. Now perhaps everyone should be declaring themselves as a sovereign entity. This surely gives an individual more rights.

Speaking of rights, we each have Human Rights under the United Nations. So the UN recognises individuals as being Human. To be a sovereign entity we should each make a declaration to the UN or to SMOM et al and seek out other internationally recognised sovereign beings to recognise us as such in support for our claim to the UN. This would then open up the IMF and other sources of funds to each and every being on the planet.

We have to use their own system to defeat them. Afterall it was devised to defeat us and not defend them from us becoming free once more. So if we reverse engineer their system the cracks will surely be discovered which allows us to be of equal status.

I've always believed myself to be a sovereign entity, Just that they declared War on me, long before I was born of flesh and blood.

[zarah]

Right, so I still haven't got my tickets or an email letting me know when they will arrive. Does anyone know anyone I can contact?

[pleasuredome]

I am beginning to think that this freeman route is a path to being a serf fixed to the land. To going back to being a slave of the landowners. Now perhaps everyone should be declaring themselves as a sovereign entity. This surely gives an individual more rights.

Speaking of rights, we each have Human Rights under the United Nations. So the UN recognises individuals as being Human. To be a sovereign entity we should each make a declaration to the UN or to SMOM et al and seek out other internationally recognised sovereign beings to recognise us as such in support for our claim to the UN. This would then open up the IMF and other sources of funds to each and every being on the planet.

We have to use their own system to defeat them. Afterall it was devised to defeat us and not defend them from us becoming free once more. So if we reverse engineer their system the cracks will surely be discovered which allows us to be of equal status.

I've always believed myself to be a sovereign entity, Just that they declared War on me, long before I was born of flesh and blood.

blimey! contract the UN. great idea! get the thread going ian ;) :cool:

[yozhik]

I am beginning to think that this freeman route is a path to being a serf fixed to the land. To going back to being a slave of the landowners. Now perhaps everyone should be declaring themselves as a sovereign entity. This surely gives an individual more rights.

Speaking of rights, we each have Human Rights under the United Nations. So the UN recognises individuals as being Human. To be a sovereign entity we should each make a declaration to the UN or to SMOM et al and seek out other internationally recognised sovereign beings to recognise us as such in support for our claim to the UN. This would then open up the IMF and other sources of funds to each and every being on the planet.

We have to use their own system to defeat them. Afterall it was devised to defeat us and not defend them from us becoming free once more. So if we reverse engineer their system the cracks will surely be discovered which allows us to be of equal status.

I've always believed myself to be a sovereign entity, Just that they declared War on me, long before I was born of flesh and blood.

Sounds like an interesting path for exploration :)
I do have a small concern with the use of the word "entity", given its legal definition. Maybe "sovereign being" would be more appropriate ?

[pleasuredome]

Sounds like an interesting path for exploration :)
I do have a small concern with the use of the word "entity", given its legal definition. Maybe "sovereign being" would be more appropriate ?

too right. i think anyone who has already established themselves as a 'sovereign being' should definately look into it. particularly if they if they own title to land.

[godspeed]

Right, so I still haven't got my tickets or an email letting me know when they will arrive. Does anyone know anyone I can contact?

ive no ticket yet and its getting closer.....im going to call that number again and see what the story is....

[grenadene]

ive no ticket yet and its getting closer.....im going to call that number again and see what the story is....

I haven't got mine either but I wouldn't worry, I've had gig tickets turn up the day before :)

[alternative_answer]

ive no ticket yet and its getting closer.....im going to call that number again and see what the story is....

I have no ticket, I intend to travel up there anyway unless I hear differently.

[scotfree]

Though I have sent 2 affidavits to HM Queen,
Though I have widely published my NOUCOR
http://www.weddingscot.info/NOUCOR.doc

I believe their is NO need for them.

A real Free person/human only has to
Think Free Be Free Live Free.

Bits of paper do not make one free.

[yozhik]

Though I have sent 2 affidavits to HM Queen,
Though I have widely published my NOUCOR
http://www.weddingscot.info/NOUCOR.doc

I believe their is NO need for them.

A real Free person/human only has to
Think Free Be Free Live Free.

Bits of paper do not make one free.

Absolutely correct ... however, the pieces of paper are not a request for permission nor freedom ... they are a notice of your status, being served to the policy administrators who themselves are NOT free.

These pieces of paper are given to the unfree corporate entities, in your capacity as a caring, responsible adult, to give them the information they require so as not to cause harm or injury to themselves.

You are empowering them with the correct and legal information, so they do not breach the law they might otherwise commit, by attempting to enforce inapplicable statutes, which they may inadvertently do, if not given prior warning. :)

The pieces of paper do not make you free ... they give freedom - the freedom of informed choice - to the policy enforcers to act legally and lawfully towards you. :)

[theninja]

It's looks like the traitors don't like The British Constitution Group conference and have setup their own:

http://www.modernliberty.net/

[yozhik]

It's looks like the traitors don't like The British Constitution Group conference and have setup their own:

http://www.modernliberty.net/

why traitors?
:confused:

[grenadene]

please lets not have a monty python style scene :)

[theninja]

why traitors?
:confused:

Have you looked at the site ?

Have a look at:

http://www.modernliberty.net/speakers

and

http://www.modernliberty.net/partners-2

See if you can find a problem.

[breezinreezin]

Have you looked at the site ?

Have a look at:

http://www.modernliberty.net/speakers

and

http://www.modernliberty.net/partners-2

See if you can find a problem.

Just seeing the Guardian is enough for me these days. After that the Fabian Society gives the game away.

[yozhik]

After that the Fabian Society gives the game away.

Seeing the "Fabian Society" is enough for me :mad:

I'm surprised Common Purpose isn't on there; just to really make it a puke invoking experience.

[the infinite one]

Is anyone going to this?

I will be there!

C'MON EVERYONE! Show your support!

[jojo]

Is anyone going to this?

I will be there!

C'MON EVERYONE! Show your support!

yep, i am! see you there IO!

[godspeed]

got my ticket today...booked hotel ....ready to go friday daytime...so i dont get lost...looking forward to this for ages...peace is all i need....;)

[jojo]

if anyone from this forum wants to meet up after (or before) the meet i plan on going to a pub called the wheatsheef (a weatherspoons shite hole, but opens at 9 for breakfast) its about 2 mins walk from the kings hall carpark.

ill be wearing a jojo sticker :)

[dreamweaver]

please lets not have a monty python style scene :)

Splitter! :p

[godspeed]

if anyone from this forum wants to meet up after (or before) the meet i plan on going to a pub called the wheatsheef (a weatherspoons shite hole, but opens at 9 for breakfast) its about 2 mins walk from the kings hall carpark.

ill be wearing a jojo sticker :)

sounds good to me.....im arriving friday night so will be up early and will get along to pub to meet a few of you before talk....i got a track top with godspeed on it ok.........cheers .........see you all there.........peace...:D

[alternative_answer]

Tickets arrived today :D Driving up from Southampton on Saturday Morning :eek:

[zarah]

I spoke to Roger just now..I don't need my tickets which is great if they don't arrive. I'm feeling like cack right now, but hopefully I'll be driving up on Saturday morning. Does anyone know how long a drive to Stoke from London takes?

[the infinite one]

I spoke to Roger just now..I don't need my tickets which is great if they don't arrive. I'm feeling like cack right now, but hopefully I'll be driving up on Saturday morning. Does anyone know how long a drive to Stoke from London takes?

try http://www.mapquest.co.uk

it will calculate it all for u.

[jojo]

I spoke to Roger just now..I don't need my tickets which is great if they don't arrive. I'm feeling like cack right now, but hopefully I'll be driving up on Saturday morning. Does anyone know how long a drive to Stoke from London takes?

about 3=4 hours depending on traffic. i tend to go m40/m42/m6toll m6 rather than m1/ m6, but it all depends on which side of london your coming from?

[alternative_answer]

about 3=4 hours depending on traffic. i tend to go m40/m42/m6toll m6 rather than m1/ m6, but it all depends on which side of london your coming from?

Definately take M6 toll, although it M6 should be quiet Saturday morning.

[zarah]

Thanks loads for the link.

I'm coming from Essex, not actually London..Ill get there somehow ;p

[jojo]

Thanks loads for the link.

I'm coming from Essex, not actually London..Ill get there somehow ;p


well, I always go up M1 and i always go across country on the A50 (get of at jt 23 i think??) Its just as fast as M6 toll and doesnt get conjested, but early sat morning you should be ok..

see you there!!!

[john white]

I'm hoping to make it for the afternoon :)

[jojo]

I'm hoping to make it for the afternoon :)

hope to see you afterwards then...

if anyone from this forum wants to meet up after (or before) the meet i plan on going to a pub called the wheatsheef (a weatherspoons shite hole, but opens at 9 for breakfast) its about 2 mins walk from the kings hall carpark.

ill be wearing a jojo sticker

[dreamweaver]

Can you pay on the door?

[jojo]

Can you pay on the door?

yes, so infinate one tells me... you coming DW?

[the infinite one]

Can you pay on the door?

yeh, u can pay at the door

[the infinite one]

I'm hoping to make it for the afternoon :)

Nice one john, haven't seen u since the brixton event. :cool:

[godspeed]

all gods children need travelling shoes....drive their troubles away....see you all there...:D

[sukyspook]

Ticket arrived Wednesday, yippee - there are 4 of us from E Mids that I am aware of - hopefully many more.

I'll be there and wearing my heart on my sleeve. . .look for the bright red hair - please say hello and introduce yourself!! ('secret agents' and 'trolls' please don't bother lol!).

[pleasuredome]

Ticket arrived Wednesday, yippee - there are 4 of us from E Mids that I am aware of - hopefully many more.

I'll be there and wearing my heart on my sleeve. . .look for the bright red hair - please say hello and introduce yourself!! ('secret agents' and 'trolls' please don't bother lol!).

i'll be there too. im from the E Mids. I'll be wearing a black G-Star top. so dont be frightened to introduce yourselves folks. we all need to network and share info.

[jojo]

WELL, some of us are meeting in a pub just down the road from the kings hall at about 9.30 for breakfast. Its called The Wheatsheef and it opens early. Were also going there after the event if anyone wants to meet up?

ill be wearing and green big cardigan and will have a jojo sticker on! come over and say hi :)

[dreamweaver]

yes, so infinate one tells me... you coming DW?


Yep, I'm aiming to. Was just worried I'd left it too late to get a ticket. Will try to be earkly enough for the pub too. :)

[dondaz]

I was originally going with Malvern and John White, but JW is working untill 11am, so won't be there with Malvern till after 12, they live close to each other. I'm actually going to be filming the event, cleared it with Brian Gerish last night, but it starts at 11am and I don't want to miss the first speakers, clearly.

We have a dodgy clutch on the missus car so I can't use it. SO, anyone coming from Birmingham with a spare seat in their car?

Pretty please with a cherry on top:)

I should be ok getting a lift back.

Cheers!

[the infinite one]

Yep, I'm aiming to. Was just worried I'd left it too late to get a ticket. Will try to be earkly enough for the pub too. :)

You can buy tickets on the door.

[the infinite one]

JoJo

You been to Kings Hall before? Is there any decent car parking spaces?

[tien an]

Don't forget to write copiously about what you heard / learned there eh?

Have a good one.

[the infinite one]

Don't forget to write copiously about what you heard / learned there eh?

Have a good one.

It will be filmed and put on youtube/google

[jojo]

Well it was brilliant!!!! ive been left insipired to really do something about the criminal frauds who run this country!

hi to dondaz, pleasuredome, monkfish, infinate one, ustain, dreamweaver! great meeting all you guys again!!! Sorry i didnt make it to the pub afterwards... baby sitting issues arose and we had to shoot off :(

John Bingly was 1st up and gave us all a good grounding on magnacarta and the british constitution and just what a law says politicion's and the monarchy are here for... ie to uphold the peoples rights!!!

Then a bloke (dont know name.. sorry) showed us how many letters that have been sent to the queen questioning her about the above (facts) were passed along, ignored and fobbed off.

Albert Burgess was a star. An ex special copper who has spent most of his life supporting the rights of people. He knows the law and is on a mission to prosecute the people who illigally took us into the european commission in 1972 for treason, a offense which is still punishable by hanging. ie duglas hurd, margret thatcher and ted heath and every politicion, judge, policeman who fobs him off and tries to pass the buck!

John Harris was a brilliant, passionate speaker and spoke about how a human being is owned by the government from the moment the birth certificate is signed and every form we "apply" and fill in is used against us to take away our rights of common law. How the language of law i9s used against us and how the government and police forces are nothing but corporations as shown in dun and bradstreet and the currency they traid in is "us"

Mike Robinson and another (sorry dont know his name) spoke about the history of money and debt and how it is nothing but illusion and how paper money is worthless. They spoke about the orchestrated plan to bring down the world ecconomy.

Brian Garrish was a dude! he spoke about common purpose, neurolinguistic programming of the population and the police/military and how the PTB are breaking up familys and how more and more people are having their kids taken away from them for no reason.

finally, Roger Hayes, The man who organised the confrence spoke about how we can change this country. Using lawful resistance and buildng numbers of people to fight this war.

There is another one on the 02.05.09 (venue not arranged yet) so keep that date free and please please come along and listen to how your human rights are being violated and how the "legal" rites statutes are not LAWfull. And just how you can make a difference and turn the vial tide of filth that run this country and in turn rule the world.

im sure someone more elequent than i will give a better synopsis, but i hope this has given you the gist.

jojo

[the infinite one]

Yes it was very good and informative. I enjoyed John Harris's talk about the difference between a police officer and police man!

JoJo, JP, monkfish, ustain, dreamweaver and everyone else Jo mentioned above...nice seeing you again!

:cool:

[jojo]

Yes it was very good and informative. I enjoyed John Harris's talk about the difference between a police officer and police man!

JoJo, JP, monkfish, ustain, dreamweaver and everyone else Jo mentioned above...nice seeing you again!

:cool:

hey naz! you back home already?? :) great seeing you again today! i forgot to pick up some more leaflets!!! arrrrggghh! but im armed with info and im gonna tell all i know about it. Ive already asked my dad if he wants to come to the next confrence on the 2nd of may... I think he may come!

[wise haven]

Well it was brilliant!!!! ive been left insipired to really do something about the criminal frauds who run this country!

hi to dondaz, pleasuredome, monkfish, infinate one, ustain, dreamweaver! great meeting all you guys again!!! Sorry i didnt make it to the pub afterwards... baby sitting issues arose and we had to shoot off :(

John Bingly was 1st up and gave us all a good grounding on magnacarta and the british constitution and just what a law says politicion's and the monarchy are here for... ie to uphold the peoples rights!!!

Then a bloke (dont know name.. sorry) showed us how many letters that have been sent to the queen questioning her about the above (facts) were passed along, ignored and fobbed off.

Albert Burgess was a star. An ex special copper who has spent most of his life supporting the rights of people. He knows the law and is on a mission to prosecute the people who illigally took us into the european commission in 1972 for treason, a offense which is still punishable by hanging. ie duglas hurd, margret thatcher and ted heath and every politicion, judge, policeman who fobs him off and tries to pass the buck!

John Harris was a brilliant, passionate speaker and spoke about how a human being is owned by the government from the moment the birth certificate is signed and every form we "apply" and fill in is used against us to take away our rights of common law. How the language of law i9s used against us and how the government and police forces are nothing but corporations as shown in dun and bradstreet and the currency they traid in is "us"

Mike Robinson and another (sorry dont know his name) spoke about the history of money and debt and how it is nothing but illusion and how paper money is worthless. They spoke about the orchestrated plan to bring down the world ecconomy.

Brian Garrish was a dude! he spoke about common purpose, neurolinguistic programming of the population and the police/military and how the PTB are breaking up familys and how more and more people are having their kids taken away from them for no reason.

finally, Roger Hayes, The man who organised the confrence spoke about how we can change this country. Using lawful resistance and buildng numbers of people to fight this war.

There is another one on the 02.05.09 (venue not arranged yet) so keep that date free and please please come along and listen to how your human rights are being violated and how the "legal" rites statutes are not LAWfull. And just how you can make a difference and turn the vial tide of filth that run this country and in turn rule the world.

im sure someone more elequent than i will give a better synopsis, but i hope this has given you the gist.

jojo
Sounds like it was as good as I thought it would be.

Thanks for the rundown JoJo.

Sounds exciting stuff - lots of motivated people methinks...:D

[jojo]

it was a brilliant day and its inspired me to get of my arse and activly do something! not sure what yet, but im going to do my bit of lawful rebellion. im going to subscribe to the newspaper The UK Column too which is written by the same people who put the confrence together. :) (www.cpexposed.com and www.ukcolumn.org

[dreamweaver]

Well, I'm back home and had a few drinkies after my long drive. :)

Albert Burgess and Brian Gerrish were the best speakers, closely followed by John Harris, but all gave useful information. I found the whole thing very inspiring - a thousand or so people coming together and wanting to do something about this evil dictatorship.

Although our numbers are still tiny, I felt a real glimmer of hope today.

[wise haven]

it was a brilliant day and its inspired me to get of my arse and activly do something! not sure what yet, but im going to do my bit of lawful rebellion. im going to subscribe to the newspaper The UK Column too which is written by the same people who put the confrence together. :) (www.cpexposed.com and www.ukcolumn.org

Good stuff! Spread some of that enthusiasm around - post it on every thread and forum that you think needs to hear that positivity.

[jojo]

Well, I'm back home and had a few drinkies after my long drive. :)

Albert Burgess and Brian Gerrish were the best speakers, closely followed by John Harris, but all gave useful information. I found the whole thing very inspiring - a thousand or so people coming together and wanting to do something about this evil dictatorship.

Although our numbers are still tiny, I felt a real glimmer of hope today.

great to see you again dreamweaver! :) glad your home safely. i also felt hope too! it was a powerfull feeling!

Are you going to do a write up on it? im not really very good with words, im better with a paint brush and pencil ;)

[wise haven]

Well, I'm back home and had a few drinkies after my long drive. :)

Albert Burgess and Brian Gerrish were the best speakers, closely followed by John Harris, but all gave useful information. I found the whole thing very inspiring - a thousand or so people coming together and wanting to do something about this evil dictatorship.

Although our numbers are still tiny, I felt a real glimmer of hope today.

Spread the news dreamweaver - for that thousand that made the conference there will be at least five thousand who want to do more.

freedom is exciting huh? :D

[jojo]

Spread the news dreamweaver - for that thousand that made the conference there will be at least five thousand who want to do more.

freedom is exciting huh? :D


yep agreed! that was the last word from Roger, spread the word to and get 10 people to come to the next talk on the 2nd of may! you gonna come along WH? :) :) :)

[wise haven]

yep agreed! that was the last word from Roger, spread the word to and get 10 people to come to the next talk on the 2nd of may! you gonna come along WH? :) :) :)
I'll be there by hook or by crook :D

[jojo]

well thats 2/8 for me sorted then (you and my dad!) :) just need to get another 8 people on board!

[dreamweaver]

great to see you again dreamweaver! :) glad your home safely. i also felt hope too! it was a powerfull feeling!

Are you going to do a write up on it? im not really very good with words, im better with a paint brush and pencil ;)

Well, I wasn't particularly taking notes (indeed couldn't take any, as I didn't bring a pen! :rolleyes:), I was coming along to get a flavour of things more than anything else. Your summary is really good though. :cool:

Interesting that Brian Gerrish pointed out the serpent imagery in one logo and the all-seeing eye in another, wasn't it? And his references to the cold eyes of Blair and that Common Purpose harridan seemed to be hinting at reptilians to me. Nice bit of crossover with what DI is saying there.

I think there was a slightly better cross-section of people than the ones you see in the earlier Brian Gerrish videos. But it's still a bit too "blue rinse brigade" for me at the moment - it really needs a broader age range and to break out of the UKIP ghetto to become a real threat to TPTB.

I can't wait to stroll into my local cop shop and report the treason. :D

[jojo]

Well, I wasn't particularly taking notes (indeed couldn't take any, as I didn't bring a pen! :rolleyes:), I was coming along to get a flavour of things more than anything else. Your summary is really good though. :cool:

Interesting that Brian Gerrish pointed out the serpent imagery in one logo and the all-seeing eye in another, wasn't it? And his references to the cold eyes of Blair and that Common Purpose harridan seemed to be hinting at reptilians to me. Nice bit of crossover with what DI is saying there.

I think there was a slightly better cross-section of people than the ones you see in the earlier Brian Gerrish videos. But it's still a bit too "blue rinse brigade" for me at the moment - it really needs a broader age range and to break out of the UKIP ghetto to become a real threat to TPTB.

I can't wait to stroll into my local cop shop and report the treason. :D


yes, it was interesting! i noticed that too. Thats how people who have never come across this stuff (ie serpant cult etc) get to hear about it. nice one Brian!

yes, there was a wide range of the population there from nuns and vickers to world war two veterans in uniforms to students to suits!

[dreamweaver]

The other thing was how everyone immediately latched on to what the speakers were saying about what's happening to the country, starting off with that mock party political broadcast through the young girl's eyes. No explanations necessary, we all knew what they were on about.

[sukyspook]

great to see you again dreamweaver! :) glad your home safely. i also felt hope too! it was a powerfull feeling!

Are you going to do a write up on it? im not really very good with words, im better with a paint brush and pencil ;)

I got back about an hour ago - had a brilliant day - excellent conference.

Poor old Stoke has been murdered, especially the various pottery companies and the city centre - especially the pubs. One was called the 'New Phoenix' which was completely boarded up, how ironic a name - not the only pub in the relatively small area either - sigh.

I had the priviledge of meeting John Harris who has come on in leaps and bounds with his presentation - thank you John and believe me, John is incredibly moved by the plight of global humanity - as am I and I told him so out loud and to him personally. God bless him.

I also met Brian Gerrish - a true gentleman and a completely honest, down to earth truthseeker. Excellent speaker who has grown in confidence since his first CP video which is still as valid as the first time I watched it. God bless you too Brian.

I also introduced myself to David Shayler. David, imho, speaks the absolute truth but I do worry about his Messiahship....however, he is no 'nutter' and again, imho, a true ensouled human being.

I thoroughly enjoyed Albert Burgess's presentation who amazed me with his tales - with natural humour - of how he has taken on the police regarding the treason of Heath and his cabinet (and all the other pro-eu'ers since) - no mean feat!

John Galloway did a short pres on 'Mediatisation' - no, I didn't know what it was prior to this either - but it's 'annexing a state to another state' which is what 'her madge' may have done...very interesting.

I also enjoyed the presentation by Mike Robinson and I'm sorry, I didn't write the name of the co-presenter down - however, joined lots of dots I already knew and a few more besides re the Black Nobility of Venice - the money changers in one of their other disguises.

Not least of all was the first presentation from John Bingley re the British Constitution - all points to a 'William of Orange/Mary' COUP if you ask me - sponsored by the Venetian 'Fonzi' banksters who are still behind the chaos intentionally being created in the world today.

Roger Hayes did a spiffing job of organising, opening and closing the conference so hats off to Roger. Brilliant and thank you.

I have a pile of 'UK Columns' to deliver which won't be a problem as I regularly deliver 1200 advertising mags around a couple of square miles.

I just wish I could wake up the Ken Clarke fans (who is my MP) around these parts. His constituents still love this 'man', even though he's attended at least 8 Bilderberg meetings in about 13 years... sigh.

I loved meeting John White, Dondaz and Malvern - I saw the 'G Force' 't'shirt of another forum member in the balcony, name escapes me just now - was it 'pleasuredome'?? I just didn't have the chance to make proper contact - hope to do so on another occasion but as we live in the same region it makes sense to meet up with others here...

There is abundant hope for us all but it all has to begin with compassion, empathy and love in our own heart and in the hearts of everyone else.

Thanks to all concerned and I hope many more can join the 'movement' - for want of a better word which is NOT your usual kind of political 'party' movement.

[wise haven]

Thanks sukyspook

Good to hear your personal take on the speakers and what they have to say.

I know what you mean about Ken Clarke; I have been astounded that so many people have missed his incredibly long term association with the Bilderbergers.

He has made some half hearted bids for leadership or highter office over the years but somehow I always knew it wasn't sincere. I think it is very relevant and notable that he has, at this opportune time, been welcomed back to the conservative front bench.
Somehow, I have been anticipating this for a long time. Time will tell.

:rolleyes:

[jojo]

Hi sukyspook. shame we couldnt have met. but it seems like we know a few mutual friends :)

great write up there. see you at the next one?? :)

[jojo]

The other thing was how everyone immediately latched on to what the speakers were saying about what's happening to the country, starting off with that mock party political broadcast through the young girl's eyes. No explanations necessary, we all knew what they were on about.


yes, it was very powerfull wasnt it! i hope its on you tube soon ....

[sukyspook]

Hi sukyspook. shame we couldnt have met. but it seems like we know a few mutual friends :)

great write up there. see you at the next one?? :)

Absoblinkinglutely!!

[sukyspook]

Thanks sukyspook

Good to hear your personal take on the speakers and what they have to say.

I know what you mean about Ken Clarke; I have been astounded that so many people have missed his incredibly long term association with the Bilderbergers.

He has made some half hearted bids for leadership or highter office over the years but somehow I always knew it wasn't sincere. I think it is very relevant and notable that he has, at this opportune time, been welcomed back to the conservative front bench.
Somehow, I have been anticipating this for a long time. Time will tell.

:rolleyes:

Ken Clarke and George Osborne's Bilderberg attendances tell you all you need to know about the 'tories'... controlled opposition. All 3 main 'parties' are pro-Europe so no difference between them.

As I have attempted to 'change things' from within by joining UKIP/then Veritas and having been a 'prospective parliamentary candidate' for both - I realised back in 2005 that 'the system' is NOT the way forward. It's a fix and just a waste of our time and energy.

I know how bad things are every-which-way but I still have endless hope for humanity but the solution is only to be found within the heart of everyone individually.

[john white]

Hi Suky spook, jo jo, infinite one, everybody:)

It was great to attend, very nice meeting people, very affirming

Brian Gerish's talk was notable for his expose of what the "third way" is in British Politics (Charity and thinktanks rewriting society by pushing legitamate government out of the way), and John Harris's talk was gifted with a showing of a now famous film Dodaz shot: brought a smile to everyones face and a cheer to the hall

Also enjoyed listening to David Shayler and Albert Burgess discussing matters between them, and many worthwhile chats with everyone

[jojo]

hi john, wished i could have met you :) hopefully next time!

[the infinite one]

Here are few photos!

[alternative_answer]

Not long been in myself, all the way to Bournemouth, phew!! Fantastic conference though. Time for action now!

[jojo]

Not long been in myself, all the way to Bournemouth, phew!! Fantastic conference though. Time for action now!

sure is! really inspiring day wasnt it! :)


great pics infinate one! couldnt see the back of my head though as i was 3 rows from the front! :D

[malvern]

some more pic's from the day

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[jojo]

great photos malvern, thanks for sharing :)

[malvern]

jojo, loads more ........ all of the talkers where so approachable and very open ... john was on great form and showed that he 's "all heart ", Brain has put so much work in since i've last saw his talk , also, so much was happening off stage , the graet Albert B. talks with David Shayler , also David feelings of the Day and others ( all on film ref dondaz ) .


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[wise haven]

Excellent - Thanks for the phots malvern.

Looks like a huge and varied turn out.

Things have certainly moved on a bit since Brian's common purpose talk. :)

[jojo]

jojo, loads more ........ all of the talkers where so approachable and very open ... john was on great form and showed that he 's "all heart ", Brain has put so much work in since i've last saw his talk , also, so much was happening off stage , the graet Albert B. talks with David Shayler , also David feelings of the Day and others ( all on film ref dondaz ) .


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

feel free to post some more if you like? its good to see the photos as the visuals remind me of just exactly what the whole thing was about and how i need to activly start doing something to change this country/world :)

hope dondaz posts his vids on here too :)

[malvern]

wise haven, so much was happening ....... lol

did you have any joy with the number ......
Got to speak with Brian ...about the paper and the problems some are having getting hold of loads of copies to give out in thier areas ..... the phone line does get jammed up very quickly and he is aware of this ...so now he is setting up a new number for the sole use of the paper... will post and up date all as these numbers come in ..


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[malvern]

pleasuredome.... seem like you had a great day........ here's a few pics for you....:D



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[pleasuredome]

great pics malvern! it was a great day. even better than i thought it would be!

for me it started as soon as i got to the car park. i went to the ticket machine and there was john harris sitting in his car looking at me. i looked at him and then looked again and smiled and he smiled back. so we had a chat for a bit. got inside the foyer and daz was standing there with infinite one, the first time i had met them both. so i got to sit upstairs with daz. at the interval i introduced myself to david shayler and he came and sat upstairs with us later on. i said to daz that we've gota interview david and albert burgess if we get chance. daz said ok but i had to ask the questions. so daz got some excellent footage of the interview with david. then albert joined us and daz got to film both albert and david in dialogue, which was fantastic to watch.

from what john told me, he is making real headway with this stuff and he was very inspiring. david has got a few tricks up his sleeve too which is gonna be great to see.

it was great to also meet jojo again, you, john white, and others whos names or usernames fail me right now. it was just a great day all round and a pleasure to meet everyone.

the guys who put this together, roger hayes, brian gerrish, etc, deserve huge thanks for doing this. i personally believe it has and will send hugely powerful message to our adversaries.

[bobfunkhouse]

Well done all involved ,couldn't be there myself being out of the area (in West Africa) , i admire your efforts from afar! Will there be a vid up of the whole event?

Power to the people!

[dreamweaver]

Well done all involved ,couldn't be there myself being out of the area (in West Africa)

Pah, what kind of excuse do you call that? :p

[le_ribault]

nice to see the people of Stoke turn out in force...did anyone hear Gerrish's comment on m15 agents being in the audience...?

[wise haven]

nice to see the people of Stoke turn out in force...did anyone hear Gerrish's comment on m15 agents being in the audience...?

Nonsense! - They don't work at weekends.......he is just being paranoid :D

[chikimonki]

Wise haven wrote:

Nonsense! - They don't work at weekends.......he is just being paranoid!

I did hear they voted to work on weekends... but their union is very weak, lol

Blair's eye's photo is AWESOME!!! I'm SO HAPPY to find like minded people, I really thought I was the only one who was deciphering something, I didn't expect much of what I've found, but am surprised by none of it.

I couldn't make it, it's Chinese new year and we were celebrating it, I'd love to see these events streamed somehow. That being said, it sounds like a marvellous and well needed meeting, I'm so dying to watch the footage, or hear some audio's.

Pleasuredome, you're so right 'no need to worry, we have already won'

Still lots of work to do, I filmed an interesting five min clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TbtAWc19z4

I'm totally open to suggestions as to why they constantly move, someone suggested it helps for the blades to gather momentum. I say it's just a scam the blades are far too huge and the wrong shape too for the wind to be effective.

[pleasuredome]

I say it's just a scam the blades are far too huge and the wrong shape too for the wind to be effective.

yeah, ive wondered about the shape of the blades too. i would have thought more of a paddle shaped blades would be more efficient.

[cleopatraxxx]

nice to see the people of Stoke turn out in force...did anyone hear Gerrish's comment on m15 agents being in the audience...?

who are m15 agents?
cheers

good to know people are getting organized to do something about the total absense of the population on this matter

does no one talk about this type pf things in pubs?
IDCArds are real and are being enforced already.
just visit the HOMME OFFICE website. check what they officially say there.
if people aren't bothered with giving up their freedoms, then what are they wprried about in this life with? getting pissed?!?!?! i don't understand it... it is totally dissapointing!
someone wrote this article in 2006!!!! IDCards (http://www.conspiracy-theories-hoax.com/id-cards.html) and since then...what changed? anyone did anything>?

[the infinite one]

I felt so proud helping out on Saturday, nice to be part of history and doing whats right :)

[sukyspook]

who are m15 agents?
cheers

good to know people are getting organized to do something about the total absense of the population on this matter

does no one talk about this type pf things in pubs?
IDCArds are real and are being enforced already.
just visit the HOMME OFFICE website. check what they officially say there.
if people aren't bothered with giving up their freedoms, then what are they wprried about in this life with? getting pissed?!?!?! i don't understand it... it is totally dissapointing!
someone wrote this article in 2006!!!! IDCards (http://www.conspiracy-theories-hoax.com/id-cards.html) and since then...what changed? anyone did anything>?

I haven't read the article you posted yet Cleo - but I have to say I was delighted that Brian Gerrish openly said he believed that the pubs in the UK have been closed down - via various means including finally the smoking ban - as I've been saying this for a couple of years now to prevent us from openly communicating and comparing notes with our peers on our not-so-secret 'imprisonment' within our own lives/minds.

Of course, the 'blue pill people' who still snooze on laugh at such a theory. Those who don't yet 'see' can't believe that 'they' could be so clever to do all the things we 'theorists' (which are mostly facts) tell them. Of course 'they' can do any darn thing 'they' like - and with our 'sweat equity', currently known as 'money' and taxes.

[malvern]

who are m15 agents?
cheers


this might help....

dondaz/pleasuredome did film david talking of his take on the day .... also had a good chat with david myself ....


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[dreamweaver]

I haven't read the article you posted yet Cleo - but I have to say I was delighted that Brian Gerrish openly said he believed that the pubs in the UK have been closed down - via various means including finally the smoking ban - as I've been saying this for a couple of years now to prevent us from openly communicating and comparing notes with our peers on our not-so-secret 'imprisonment' within our own lives/minds.
Yes, I've felt for some time that thesmoking ban and other things were ploys to shut down pubs. Common Purpose hate us and they hate our culture, especially pubs. And yes, one of the primary reasons they hate pubs is that we get to talk openly and compare our situations instead of being hypnotised by the idiot box.

[cleopatraxxx]

Yes, I've felt for some time that thesmoking ban and other things were ploys to shut down pubs. Common Purpose hate us and they hate our culture, especially pubs. And yes, one of the primary reasons they hate pubs is that we get to talk openly and compare our situations instead of being hypnotised by the idiot box.

i think the same way now that i am in the UK - famous for its pubs .

[dreamweaver]

i think the same way now that i am in the UK where being at the pub is a big socializing, if not the main.

There's some interesting scenes in V for Vendetta where there are people in a typical pub reacting to the propaganda on the TV screens, such as when they're pumping out stuff about bird flu etc and the people in the pub are saying "What is all this shit?"

It's exactly that kind of getting together and comparing notes that they don't want. Plus of course the treatment of smokers is part of the divide-and-rule tactics and making people feel crap about themselves.

[cleopatraxxx]

There's some interesting scenes in V for Vendetta where there are people in a typical pub reacting to the propaganda on the TV screens, such as when they're pumping out stuff about bird flu etc and the people in the pub are saying "What is all this shit?"

It's exactly that kind of getting together and comparing notes that they don't want. Plus of course the treatment of smokers is part of the divide-and-rule tactics and making people feel crap about themselves.

yes, absolutely

[tien an]

Well it was brilliant!!!! ive been left insipired to really do something about the criminal frauds who run this country!

hi to dondaz, pleasuredome, monkfish, infinate one, ustain, dreamweaver! great meeting all you guys again!!! Sorry i didnt make it to the pub afterwards... baby sitting issues arose and we had to shoot off :(

John Bingly was 1st up and gave us all a good grounding on magnacarta and the british constitution and just what a law says politicion's and the monarchy are here for... ie to uphold the peoples rights!!!

Then a bloke (dont know name.. sorry) showed us how many letters that have been sent to the queen questioning her about the above (facts) were passed along, ignored and fobbed off.

Albert Burgess was a star. An ex special copper who has spent most of his life supporting the rights of people. He knows the law and is on a mission to prosecute the people who illigally took us into the european commission in 1972 for treason, a offense which is still punishable by hanging. ie duglas hurd, margret thatcher and ted heath and every politicion, judge, policeman who fobs him off and tries to pass the buck!

John Harris was a brilliant, passionate speaker and spoke about how a human being is owned by the government from the moment the birth certificate is signed and every form we "apply" and fill in is used against us to take away our rights of common law. How the language of law i9s used against us and how the government and police forces are nothing but corporations as shown in dun and bradstreet and the currency they traid in is "us"

Mike Robinson and another (sorry dont know his name) spoke about the history of money and debt and how it is nothing but illusion and how paper money is worthless. They spoke about the orchestrated plan to bring down the world ecconomy.

Brian Garrish was a dude! he spoke about common purpose, neurolinguistic programming of the population and the police/military and how the PTB are breaking up familys and how more and more people are having their kids taken away from them for no reason.

finally, Roger Hayes, The man who organised the confrence spoke about how we can change this country. Using lawful resistance and buildng numbers of people to fight this war.

There is another one on the 02.05.09 (venue not arranged yet) so keep that date free and please please come along and listen to how your human rights are being violated and how the "legal" rites statutes are not LAWfull. And just how you can make a difference and turn the vial tide of filth that run this country and in turn rule the world.

im sure someone more elequent than i will give a better synopsis, but i hope this has given you the gist.

jojo

Thanks jojo...know what I missed!
2nd May eh?

[Ian2day]

I was intending to attend this conference. However, a last minute obstacle prevented me from being able to travel. Hopefully dondaz has managed to film the presentation and will if not already up put some of it on youtube. Sorry to anyone who was hoping to meet me on the day but it would seem that some forces are working agaisnt the universe.

[sukyspook]

I was intending to attend this conference. However, a last minute obstacle prevented me from being able to travel. Hopefully dondaz has managed to film the presentation and will if not already up put some of it on youtube. Sorry to anyone who was hoping to meet me on the day but it would seem that some forces are working agaisnt the universe.

Try a dose of Ephesians 6 Ian lol! Put on the "whole armour of God" for

Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I hope to see/meet you on May 2nd at the next one.

[yozhik]

Try a dose of Ephesians 6 Ian lol! Put on the "whole armour of God" for

Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I hope to see/meet you on May 2nd at the next one.

This will be a very brief post - I don't want to sidetrack this thread :)

... be careful of using the KJV.
From what I have researched thus far, it would seem that its intent is questionable. i.e. it came from the heart of evil - London ... and the only word printed in ALL CAPS (legal fiction) is JESUS CHRIST.

Given that it is the Bible that The Queen takes her oath on, is the one heralded by the City of London, is the one used in the Courts and has Jesus as a corporation in ALL CAPS ... I have many Freeman-inspired reasons to question it.

[sukyspook]

This will be a very brief post - I don't want to sidetrack this thread :)

... be careful of using the KJV.
From what I have researched thus far, it would seem that its intent is questionable. i.e. it came from the heart of evil - London ... and the only word printed in ALL CAPS (legal fiction) is JESUS CHRIST.

Given that it is the Bible that The Queen takes her oath on, is the one heralded by the City of London, is the one used in the Courts and has Jesus as a corporation in ALL CAPS ... I have many Freeman-inspired reasons to question it.

I have my brand new King James Version of The Bible right next to me. The name Jesus Chris is NOT in capital letters in this particular version.

I understand all too well about Constantine and the 'birth' of 'Christianity' and how Jesus Christ and God have been used, along with the entire population of this planet, to further the agenda of those who would 'rule the world'. However, being awake and aware spiritually I recognise Truth that sits with being a sovereign, responsible and God loving individual - I choose to say 'God loving' as opposed to 'God fearing' as the word 'fear' is another 'in' for those who don't want to accept certain Truths which are under constant attack by certain 'vested interests'.

I fear no 'queen' as queens are part of the problem and I also know that those who would 'rule the world', as said have used even God to achieve their ends and so lying upon a Bible is an everyday occurance for the satanic /luciferian mindset.

I choose to live by what I believe is 'right living' and which is personified in a man who may or may not have existed in history called Jesus Christ or Yehushua Ha Meschiah as he's also known.

I choose to treat others as I would like to be treated. I do not and would never kill - but I would defend myself and family and my values.
I love my fellow man as myself - even though he may not love me.

'They' fear Jesus Christ, the name and/or the man. 'They' are of the 'synagogue of satan' and never forget:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

"The greatest trick the devil ever plays is convincing us he doesn't exist".

Thank you for the warning but I am well aware of 'the agenda' and strive with every bone in my body to seek to end this vile and evil oppression of humanity.

[yozhik]

I have my brand new King James Version of The Bible right next to me. The name Jesus Chris is NOT in capital letters in this particular version.

(snip)

Thank you for the warning but I am well aware of 'the agenda' and strive with every bone in my body to seek to end this vile and evil oppression of humanity.

Perfect! :)

Peace and respect.


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[rob menard]

12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


A friend has a bible translated directly from Aramaic and the above quote is very slightly different. In the above quote they removed one little word that changes the whole meaning. In his bible it reads:


12For we wrestle not only against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


See the difference?

Rob

[nirvana]

This will be a very brief post - I don't want to sidetrack this thread :)

... be careful of using the KJV.
From what I have researched thus far, it would seem that its intent is questionable. i.e. it came from the heart of evil - London ... and the only word printed in ALL CAPS (legal fiction) is JESUS CHRIST.

Given that it is the Bible that The Queen takes her oath on, is the one heralded by the City of London, is the one used in the Courts and has Jesus as a corporation in ALL CAPS ... I have many Freeman-inspired reasons to question it.

Same with the NIV bible rupert murdoch owns the copy rights for this yes a porn king

http://www.greenpondbaptistchurch.com/Transcripts/NIV.html

Peace:)

[cleopatraxxx]

I was intending to attend this conference. However, a last minute obstacle prevented me from being able to travel. Hopefully dondaz has managed to film the presentation and will if not already up put some of it on youtube. Sorry to anyone who was hoping to meet me on the day but it would seem that some forces are working agaisnt the universe.

everything happens for a reason , never doubt it ;-)

[Ian2day]

everything happens for a reason , never doubt it ;-)

As soon as I saw some of the pictures from the conference. I realised that someone near to me, must of had prior knowledge, of just who would be there.

[wise haven]

I have my brand new King James Version of The Bible right next to me. The name Jesus Chris is NOT in capital letters in this particular version.

I understand all too well about Constantine and the 'birth' of 'Christianity' and how Jesus Christ and God have been used, along with the entire population of this planet, to further the agenda of those who would 'rule the world'. However, being awake and aware spiritually I recognise Truth that sits with being a sovereign, responsible and God loving individual - I choose to say 'God loving' as opposed to 'God fearing' as the word 'fear' is another 'in' for those who don't want to accept certain Truths which are under constant attack by certain 'vested interests'.

I fear no 'queen' as queens are part of the problem and I also know that those who would 'rule the world', as said have used even God to achieve their ends and so lying upon a Bible is an everyday occurance for the satanic /luciferian mindset.

I choose to live by what I believe is 'right living' and which is personified in a man who may or may not have existed in history called Jesus Christ or Yehushua Ha Meschiah as he's also known.

I choose to treat others as I would like to be treated. I do not and would never kill - but I would defend myself and family and my values.
I love my fellow man as myself - even though he may not love me.

'They' fear Jesus Christ, the name and/or the man. 'They' are of the 'synagogue of satan' and never forget:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

"The greatest trick the devil ever plays is convincing us he doesn't exist".

Thank you for the warning but I am well aware of 'the agenda' and strive with every bone in my body to seek to end this vile and evil oppression of humanity.

Nicely said Suky

The First council of Nicea tried to kill the real message of Christianity with their evil canon and dogma.
Luckily there is still some of the goodness of Jesus' message left.

The clue for me is what isn't in the Bible, rather than what is left in it. The Apocryphal books and the Nag Hammadi Codex for example.

[sukyspook]

Nicely said Suky

The First council of Nicea tried to kill the real message of Christianity with their evil canon and dogma.
Luckily there is still some of the goodness of Jesus' message left.

The clue for me is what isn't in the Bible, rather than what is left in it. The Apocryphal books and the Nag Hammadi Codex for example.

Thank you Wise Haven - I almost took issue with you either on this thread or another - I sometimes forget where I've posted as I post all over the place like yourself I expect lol!

However, I thought better of taking that 'issue' as we're all entitled to our own opinions and whilst I hold strong views on many issues, I just don't exhaust myself as the bottom line is - we're generally fighting the same spiritual battle as we've all been deceived by the same demonic/satanic/luciferian agenda.

I appreciate you kind comment. Thank you.

[sukyspook]

A friend has a bible translated directly from Aramaic and the above quote is very slightly different. In the above quote they removed one little word that changes the whole meaning. In his bible it reads:


12For we wrestle not only against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


See the difference?

Rob

'only'. . .being the only difference...

Bottom line lovely Rob - it's basically a spiritual battle which manifests in the 'physical' too.

God bless you - I have a copy of the Nag Hammadi on my shelf - I need to compare notes, however 'trivial' the changes might be but basically - those who would 'rule the world' employ anything and everything - including other dimensional entities (djinn/jinn/demons/spirits) in their evil agenda.

[wise haven]

Thank you Wise Haven - I almost took issue with you either on this thread or another - I sometimes forget where I've posted as I post all over the place like yourself I expect lol!

However, I thought better of taking that 'issue' as we're all entitled to our own opinions and whilst I hold strong views on many issues, I just don't exhaust myself as the bottom line is - we're generally fighting the same spiritual battle as we've all been deceived by the same demonic/satanic/luciferian agenda.

I appreciate you kind comment. Thank you.

LOL - I know what you mean.......where did I last post??:confused:

I'm a Jesus believer - I don't say Christian because I'm probably the only one in my sect and it doesn't have a name :D. I think mainstream Christianity has lost its way, a long time ago in most cases.
I can't believe the Bible is the literal word of God or the Christ - because it has been monkeyed around with by those with their own agenda and intentions.
You know what the real message is if you open your heart, open your eyes and the light shines through the darkness, open your ears and the truth whispers firm words of love.

[godspeed]

A friend has a bible translated directly from Aramaic and the above quote is very slightly different. In the above quote they removed one little word that changes the whole meaning. In his bible it reads:


12For we wrestle not only against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


See the difference?

Rob
hi rob.........it is quite the difference what one little word taken out can perceive and most part deceive...kjv makes it sound like we wont have to wrestle man at all....keep that in mind as its my favourite verse .

[dreamweaver]

Does anyone know how I could get in touch with Albert Burgess? I guess I could do it via the BC group website, but if anyone knows an email addy or phone number, could they pm it to me? Thanks. :)

[jojo]

hi guys, not been following the thread... any venue sorted for the next conference on the 2nd may?

[the infinite one]

hi guys, not been following the thread... any venue sorted for the next conference on the 2nd may?

dunno yet, but as soon as I find out, you'll be the first to know.

[cleopatraxxx]

dunno yet, but as soon as I find out, you'll be the first to know.

cool, tnx.
i read all about you meeting with David.
How did he agreee to meet with you?
would he have time to do it with anyone of us tho?
i believe he wouldn't mind, although, can you imagine all of us? one by one? hehehe, exhausting...

i would like to be present at his May conference
and i would love to help too.
i will watch this thread

cheers
CLEO