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[ceti]

Could it be that there are no galactic lizards and this subject was brought up to hide the reality from the real predator of man BANKERS AND THE ELITE.When you study snake and reptile symbolism you must understand that snakes are in eygpt same place the lizards in the white house worship. is it not logical that the empire of eygpt may have spread around the world taking there gods and symbology with them?.

sorry to affend anyone i for one belived in the theory but now we must stop with the scale talk and really come to terms of how fucked up are own world is its cartels bankers and zionists not orion or draconis.We cant keep beliving in a subject thats not even provable while the bankers take over more and more land come on guys do you belive in jesus too.:confused:and the lock ness monster.THEY ARE MAKING A PRISON WHILE YOU ARE BLAMING REPTILES FROM OUT OF SPACE.sorry stop this talk and get to the real issue here fucking evil humans.

[lordzoma]

Could it be you have no idea what you're talking about?

Could it be you are coming from a low advanced perspective, or lower?

Could it be you have a lot further to go?

Could it be you yourself are complicit with this information and post here for the sole purposes of preventing others from learning the truth?

Could it be you're just not smart enough to comprehend reality?

Either way, you're fucking wrong.

[shabun]

Could it be you have no idea what you're talking about?

Could it be you are coming from a low advanced perspective, or lower?

Could it be you have a lot further to go?

Could it be you yourself are complicit with this information and post here for the sole purposes of preventing others from learning the truth?

Could it be you're just not smart enough to comprehend reality?

Either way, you're fucking wrong.

Dont believe anyone who watches naked wrestling videos, like, eh, Lordzoma.

[marpat]

Could it be that there are no galactic lizards and this subject was brought up to hide the reality from the real predator of man BANKERS AND THE ELITE.When you study snake and reptile symbolism you must understand that snakes are in eygpt same place the lizards in the white house worship. is it not logical that the empire of eygpt may have spread around the world taking there gods and symbology with them?.

sorry to affend anyone i for one belived in the theory but now we must stop with the scale talk and really come to terms of how fucked up are own world is its cartels bankers and zionists not orion or draconis.We cant keep beliving in a subject thats not even provable while the bankers take over more and more land come on guys do you belive in jesus too.:confused:and the lock ness monster.THEY ARE MAKING A PRISON WHILE YOU ARE BLAMING REPTILES FROM OUT OF SPACE.sorry stop this talk and get to the real issue here fucking evil humans.

There is a real lack of evidence of reptilian control and most people who readily accept it are pretty fanatical in their beliefs anyway. I dont think the elite created the story to hide their own evil. The reptoid theory has been developed from a mythological basis, added to with some peoples supposed accounts of having come across them. Do we just accept their accounts at face value given the naure of the conspiracy that is being promoed? I would say no.

Like you say though, people are chasing satanic lizards from the fourth dimension while the real situation is being created by businessmen who are only interested in increasing their own wealth and status.

[xpleet]

Not provable yiff. Nothing could be more annoying than the anti-zionist, jesuits people.

Your belief is equally worthless because you don't do a damn thing about the situation, or?

as if it is fkn most important to blaim a splitgroup of the elite. They're all equal scum.
But sure, ye seem to believe that pointing fingers at them will shoot a mighty blizz eliminating all the poblems right?


most people who readily accept it are pretty fanatical in their beliefs anyway.

Talk about wickedness, how wicked do you think Satanists and Crowley followers are just in comparison :D.

Could it be you're just not smart enough to comprehend reality?

Stop blaiming people.

Instead, consider this.

The mindcontrol-programming in the air is flying around like waves, messing with people's believes and kicking their minds around like marbles. Got it? ;)

[shabun]

Not provable yiff. Nothing could be more annoying than the anti-zionist, jesuits people.

Your belief is equally worthless because you don't do a damn thing about the situation, or?

as if it is fkn most important to blaim a splitgroup of the elite.
But sure, ye seem to believe that pointing fingers at them will shoot a mighty blizz eliminating all the poblems right?




talk about wickedness, how wicked do you think Satanists and Crowley followers are :D.

I don't want to appear rude, but are you stoned?

[hirschfelder]

...we must stop with the scale talk and really come to terms of how fucked up are own world is its cartels bankers and zionists not orion or draconis.We cant keep beliving in a subject thats not even provable while the bankers take over more and more land come on guys do you belive in jesus too ...


Why 'we'? Why can't you come to terms with your own personal understanding of how the world works, independently of anyone else?

You clearly think you've cracked the conspiracy; it's bankers, cartels and Zionists. Run with that and ignore what anyone else thinks

[shabun]

Why 'we'? Why can't you come to terms with your own personal understanding of how the world works, independently of anyone else?

You clearly think you've cracked the conspiracy; it's bankers, cartels and Zionists. Run with that and ignore what anyone else thinks

I agree. Its defo reptilians from Jupiter. Either that or its Germans.

[marpat]

Not provable yiff. Nothing could be more annoying than the anti-zionist, jesuits people.

Your belief is equally worthless because you don't do a damn thing about the situation, or?

as if it is fkn most important to blaim a splitgroup of the elite. They're all equal scum.
But sure, ye seem to believe that pointing fingers at them will shoot a mighty blizz eliminating all the poblems right?




Talk about wickedness, how wicked do you think Satanists and Crowley followers are just in comparison :D.



Stop blaiming people.

Instead, consider this.

The mindcontrol-programming in the air is flying around like waves, messing with people's believes and kicking their minds around like marbles. Got it? ;)


Where is the infinite love here? blaming people? isnt tht what all of these conspiracy theories are about, blaming people for things which are often nothing to do with them.

Mind control over the airwaves. Bollocks. You dont need to go to all those lengths to gain control of people.

[darketernal]

Where is the infinite love here? blaming people? isnt tht what all of these conspiracy theories are about, blaming people for things which are often nothing to do with them.

Mind control over the airwaves. Bollocks. You dont need to go to all those lengths to gain control of people.

Marpat, I don't blame anyone dispite the things I've been forced to experience first hand. I don't hate the people or beings even who commited those acts. What Icke is telling us, and what I also believe, is that we don't need to blame anyone. If we don't like the reality we are experiencing, we need to change it. If you want to be free, live your life as though you already are free. If you want a world of love, then love everyone. If you want a world of peace, then don't fight.

[marpat]

Marpat, I don't blame anyone dispite the things I've been forced to experience first hand. I don't hate the people or beings even who commited those acts. What Icke is telling us, and what I also believe, is that we don't need to blame anyone. If we don't like the reality we are experiencing, we need to change it. If you want to be free, live your life as though you already are free. If you want a world of love, then love everyone. If you want a world of peace, then don't fight.

I wasn't throwning that at you before. I can agree with what you are saying though although Icke is saying nothing new in respect to changing the world by our actions.

[twistedconcept]

There is no strong evidence that reptilians rule the world. It could be true but I can only stick to what I can prove.

The elite seem to believe that they are of a superior race (human) and they have superior genetics. They really believe that they must rule the 'little people' and the 'commoners'. As Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo, 'the people need to be ruled'. A lot of them do believe in evolution and that they've advanced to a higher level than us.

The new age movement was primarily funded by British intelligence in the past. I strongly believe that David Icke is genuine. He's either misinterpreting things greatly or he's got it nailed on. I have no idea.

Most people believe that the idea of a New World Order is crazy. If they can't accept that an elite do control the world, they'll never accept the reptilian theory.

[ceti]

Could it be you have no idea what you're talking about?

Could it be you are coming from a low advanced perspective, or lower?

Could it be you have a lot further to go?

Could it be you yourself are complicit with this information and post here for the sole purposes of preventing others from learning the truth?

Could it be you're just not smart enough to comprehend reality?

Either way, you're fucking wrong.


or could it be i am entitled to my opinion and sharing it.

and as you say im fucking wrong care to prove that i am.Or just say im not smart enough and throw stones.

[darketernal]

Let's keep it civil. And for the record not only do people have the right to their opinion, people have a right to be wrong as well.

[ceti]

Let's keep it civil. And for the record not only do people have the right to their opinion, people have a right to be wrong as well.

My appologies i find the more ive looked into the subject of reptilians the more i find myself hooked its like the facination of the unkown and would explain so much of why everything seems so wrong at the moment.But at the same time without full evidence and only witness acounts and symbology that could infact be misread.I find the two most interesting points for the subject would be the reptilian part of the brain and the way we shed skin any info why and were these traits can come from could be usefull in proving or disproving the subject.

p.s im not here to make any more beef then we already face in the world but after reading the likes of mathew deeloose and alan watts two contracting sides it is hard to be certain but in the meantime i have to side with what i can see.

[measle_weasel]

stop this talk and get to the real issue here fucking evil humans.

Indeed. Reptiles are a scapegoat for humans who cant accept the evil they themselves and their fellow man possess within them.

[darketernal]

Indeed. Reptiles are a scapegoat for humans who cant accept the evil they themselves and their fellow man possess within them.

So what is your advice to the many on this forum, many whom won't talk about it outside of PM's even in this forum, who have had experiences with these beings?

[measle_weasel]

So what is your advice to the many on this forum, many whom won't talk about it outside of PM's even in this forum, who have had experiences with these beings?

Thats difficult to answer without knowing the context of their encounters.

[darketernal]

Thats difficult to answer without knowing the context of their encounters.

Fair enough. I talk with a few in private with a few who do not want their stories told, but a couple of us have talked in this stickie:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30908

[bill23]

or could it be i am entitled to my opinion and sharing it.

and as you say im fucking wrong care to prove that i am.Or just say im not smart enough and throw stones.


dont listen to that dickhead. i think it is disinformation.

[noobcybot]

Indeed. Reptiles are a scapegoat for humans who cant accept the evil they themselves and their fellow man possess within them.

Explain to me how a few bankers with psychotic tendancies have planned our history for over a thousand years. No matter which way you look at it, the theory of the NWO agenda does not work on its own, I will say again the agenda concerns the very nature of our reality, not just our earthbound society.

Every time someone new comes on here saying the reptilian theory is based of a few spotty referances to mythology I say this same thing, if you believe in the NWO how can you not think about the reptilian idea.

[measle_weasel]

Fair enough. I talk with a few in private with a few who do not want their stories told, but a couple of us have talked in this stickie:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30908

Neat. Ill read it, and get back to your question.

[measle_weasel]

Explain to me how a few bankers with psychotic tendancies have planned our history for over a thousand years.

First, banks (thus bankers) have not existed for over a thousand years, they have existed for 602 years, since 1406.

Second, you seem to think that our history was planned and executed just like a power-point presentation would be. I highly doubt that the world today is going exactly as planned by bankers who have been dead hundreds of years. Its possible, but unlikely.

I think what is more likely is that this "planned" history is simply a collection of, the selfish in nature, short term goals of the ruling elite. Of which, when we look back on it, seems like a long term plan. But just because something follows a predictable course of action, does not mean it was planned from the start. It means that the driving force behind those actions, no matter what they are, will inevitably determine the final outcome. The driving force here is greed, or selfishness. Operating on greed, its easy to see how the situation arose, and why it continues. Its why the same families are in control: it is to glorify the family name, thus glorifying the members of that family, and more so the founders and the ones who are already dead. That perpetuates the cycle, and gives the ruling elite the incentive to continue the family.

However, that being said, in this time right now, I do believe it is possible, even extremely likely, that the ruling elite have long term plans, and are seeing them to fruition as we speak. I am convinced of this, but do not believe it is the final chapter in some 500, or 1,000, or 10,000 year old master plan. I believe it is the natural culmination of past events driven by greed. Only in these times right now could such a long term plan be formulated, as we (or they) have the technology to see it to the end, where as in the past, though someone may have had a vision of the future, it certainly wouldnt be a plan without a means to achieve the final outcome.

No matter which way you look at it, the theory of the NWO agenda does not work on its own,

Why does it not work on its own? Why wouldnt those who have power seek to expand their power, untill it was absolute? Humans throughout history have been trying to do this. Its only been recently that absolute power is a real possibility, and there is a way to achieve it, either with current technology, or technology that is on the horizon.

I will say again the agenda concerns the very nature of our reality, not just our earthbound society.

So says DI and some others. And I am not discounting their ideas as false. But, to me, at this time, it seems more likely that there is no relevance for multi-dimensional interlopers in the current situation the world is in. It all comes down to human greed.

Every time someone new comes on here saying the reptilian theory is based of a few spotty referances to mythology I say this same thing,

Ive never said anything about mythology. Ive never directly claimed that "reptilians" are non-existant, either. Only that I think there are better explainations, based on my current knowledge of the situation, and my personal experiences throughout life. Such a better explaination, to me, I have just posted.

if you believe in the NWO how can you not think about the reptilian idea

The idea is a fascinating one, and worthy of further investigation. But I see other ways the NWO can exist, based on more concrete findings than the theory of reptilian overlords.

This is my opinion, and my beliefs based on the knowledge I have right now. I will gladly and without hesitation change these if such a time comes when it appears that reptilians are the likely cause of the situation, and not simply because of human greed. Though untill human greed cannot adaquately explain the situation, Im likely to not change my views.

[measle_weasel]

As a follow up, I feel its necessary to say again, that I do not consider the reptilian idea WRONG. I just see it as unlikely, though not impossible, at this time. So no one should think I am trying to push a belief on anyone else. I am here to express my opinions, but above that, I am here to learn. The more I myself am found to be wrong, the better, as I am then able to cast off less probable ideas and beliefs,, and integrate more probable ones.

:)

[ceti]

Explain to me how a few bankers with psychotic tendancies have planned our history for over a thousand years. No matter which way you look at it, the theory of the NWO agenda does not work on its own, I will say again the agenda concerns the very nature of our reality, not just our earthbound society.

Every time someone new comes on here saying the reptilian theory is based of a few spotty referances to mythology I say this same thing, if you believe in the NWO how can you not think about the reptilian idea.

Because it really does not take very much to stiffle the human mind into thoughts of greed power and corruption everybody does can and will feel thoughts of negativity it is the balance and harmony of everything.There are a few individuals who are born into an elite sysytem may not be the evil that there family tree is capable of but after time they must face what has become its really unovoidable.I seen a movie last night a history of violence and i feel this story can back up the point i make you cant change your past or the genetics your born into.Every man will have an attachment to his family even if there agenda is incorrect. But there will allways be in a ruling class the indoctrination process there is in an everyday family the father will give advice to the offspring on what is correct and moral in regards for protection for the family or control over the family to hide past or future traits.

to cut it short evil will be spread down the family tree as the say the apple dont fall far from the tree.

[ceti]

As a follow up, I feel its necessary to say again, that I do not consider the reptilian idea WRONG. I just see it as unlikely, though not impossible, at this time. So no one should think I am trying to push a belief on anyone else. I am here to express my opinions, but above that, I am here to learn. The more I myself am found to be wrong, the better, as I am then able to cast off less probable ideas and beliefs,, and integrate more probable ones.

:)

me too :p

[noobcybot]

Great posts guys. What do you think the significance of rituals is in terms of the agenda and where do you think of the connection between the saxe-Gotha family and their link with vampirism?

[rhydra]

The house of Saxe Gotha Alenberg or Saxe Coburg is linked to Genghis Khan. Maybe that is something to do with it.

Link. (http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/asia2europe.wps.htm)

9. Tokhtu [Toktagu], Khan of Mongols 1291-1313 (above); his bros were: Toghrul [father of Uzbek, Khan of Mongols 1313-1341] & Tihomir [Toktemir], Voivode of Wallachia 1290-1310

30. dau, bapt. Marie

=Narimont-Gleb Gedyminovitch, a Lithuanian prince (d1343/8)

31. Patrikej Glebovitch

32. Alexander, Duke of Podolia (d1385)

33. Patrikej, Duke of Starodub (d1383/7)

= Yelena

34b. Yuri (d1438), bro of (34a) Alexander Korecki (d1433)

= Anna, dau of Dmitri "Donskoy", GD of Moscow

35. Vasily Patrikeev, a boyar (d1450)

= Maria

36. Ivan "Bulgak" (d1498)

= Ksenia, dau of Ivan Zabolotski

37. Mikhail Bulgakov "Galitsa" (d1554)

38. Yuri, Prince Galtizine

39. Ivan, Prince Galtizine

40. Andrei Galtizine

41. Andrei Galtizine

42. Alexie Galtizine

43. Boris Galtizine

44. Alexei Galtizine

45. Marie

= Vasily, Count Saltykov

46. Sergei Saltykov, the paramour of

= Catherine II "The Great", Empress of Russia 1762-1796

wife of (46)/(45) Peter III, Czar (below)

47? Paul, Czar 1796-1801; parentage is debatable

= Marie [Sophie] of Wurttemberg

47. Nicholas I, Czar 1825-1855

= Charlotte of Prussia

48. Constantine (d1892), bro of

= Alexandra of Saxe-Altenburg

49. Olga, Grand-Duchess (d1926)

= George I, King of Greece

50. Andrew, Prince of Greece

= Alice Mountbatten, sister of Louis, Lord Mountbatten

51. Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

= ELIZABETH II, QUEEN

52. Charles, Prince of Wales

= Diana Spencer [1st wife]

53a. William & 53b. Harry [Henry]
;)

[ceti]

definatly there are rituals happening around us all the time.But there also may be the plecebo effect i.e did you feel it hear it see it etc most haunted kinda thing .Ive never seen a ritual take place were a entity has came forth and done things but then again ive never seen a ritual at all well only a oija board if the practice has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years dating back to solomen who knows what people are dealing with.I dont there for all im saying is i aint gonna run around thinking nwo is down to an alien race of reptiles im going for elite bankers and the 13 family subject.If you want your freinds to help you with the nwo effort that are unaware of it best not throw in the subject of 4th d reps at first go for bankers and world control.Otherwise they aint gonna be anyone fighting the nwo.Definatly there are certain things with the bible and texts like the vader etc that look beyond a doubt genetic tampering lets just not throw the eggs all in the basket yet though.We need to focus on the problem at hand not the one we cant see.

[ceti]

actualy what did crowley say about rituals did he mention or witness entities or just feel there presence i dunno how it all works weres marpat lol.

[measle_weasel]

Great posts guys. What do you think the significance of rituals is in terms of the agenda and where do you think of the connection between the saxe-Gotha family and their link with vampirism?

Why thank you. :)

In regards to the significance of rituals, like magic/sacrificial/religious rituals, I have no thought that I believe to be more likely than any other, but have some thoughts none the less.

I assume, that based on the elites "religion", or whatever their system of worship can be deemed as, magical rituals and ritualistic sacrifice (mock or not) are an integral part of it. This is obviously a very deep and ingrained ideology among them, very traditional, that could symbolize and/or invoke/evoke many different things.

It could all be for show, just for traditional reasons, so they remember what they are a legacy of, and this being a way to honor that legacy.

Maybe its for conjuration purposes; for the summoning of other wordly entities, ask/demand their assistance.

One interesting thing I heard from (I think) David Wilcock, was that live sacrifice weakens the boundries between this realm, and others, and the elites religion has discovered this and has been able to exploit this weakening for thousands of years. Im not sure what is done with the weakened boundries.

It could also be simply for indoctrinational purposes. When someone is brought up on ritual, no matter what that ritual be, since they are born, it is hard to break out from it for the normal individual, as their young brain developes around the ritual itself as an unchanging constant. This would be used to help prevent dissent within the families bloodlines; weaken the persons individual will; shape them to conform to the mold that the controller, whoever that may be, wishes them to.

Those are some of my ideas about the ritual. Id love to know more than I do about it, but I cant seem to find anything that gives detail about why the rituals take place... only that they do in fact, take place.

Ive not heard of the saxe gotha family. I dont research bloodlines very much

[noobcybot]

I assume, that based on the elites "religion", or whatever their system of worship can be deemed as, magical rituals and ritualistic sacrifice (mock or not) are an integral part of it. This is obviously a very deep and ingrained ideology among them, very traditional, that could symbolize and/or invoke/evoke many different things.

It could all be for show, just for traditional reasons, so they remember what they are a legacy of, and this being a way to honor that legacy.

Maybe its for conjuration purposes; for the summoning of other wordly entities, ask/demand their assistance.

One interesting thing I heard from (I think) David Wilcock, was that live sacrifice weakens the boundries between this realm, and others, and the elites religion has discovered this and has been able to exploit this weakening for thousands of years. Im not sure what is done with the weakened boundries.

It could also be simply for indoctrinational purposes. When someone is brought up on ritual, no matter what that ritual be, since they are born, it is hard to break out from it for the normal individual, as their young brain developes around the ritual itself as an unchanging constant. This would be used to help prevent dissent within the families bloodlines; weaken the persons individual will; shape them to conform to the mold that the controller, whoever that may be, wishes them to.

Those are some of my ideas about the ritual. Id love to know more than I do about it, but I cant seem to find anything that gives detail about why the rituals take place... only that they do in fact, take place.

Ive not heard of the saxe gotha family. I dont research bloodlines very much

I agree on most of those points, I would suggest that the link is a few of those combined. However in relation to the last sentance of your post the idea of why the rituals take place might require reptilians to answer. For example the idea of the rituals might to contact the astral realm and its entities. In all religions we hear of a life force energy, well those rituals of bloodletting create very dense vibrations which certain forces could channel into, the main conduit for these forces would perhaps be the reptilians.
Heres why I was suggesting that bloodline ( which is what the Brtish Royal family is linked to ). The question that I thought when trying to understand this reptilian idea and sacrifice ritual and bloodletting was, what is the link in history and mythology for vampirism and dragons. It came to where this Dracula character came from, Vlad the Impaler ( Saxe-Gotha ) bloodline. Dracula meaning Son of the dragon, his dad being in the Order of the Serpant so I get to this. So this bloodline that controls the world is linked to the serpant symbolism in yet another way. Thus in the astral realm and our perception of the universe a malignant force might aswell take the form of reptilians.
I guess it is an astract concept, but there is something to all this for sure.

[measle_weasel]

Thus in the astral realm and our perception of the universe a malignant force might aswell take the form of reptilians.
I guess it is an astract concept, but there is something to all this for sure.

Maybe. But I dont know why it would. I dont see reptiles as evil. Although, maybe it is because the majority does see them as evil, or at least views them in a negative light, being the reason they choose the appear in such forms.

But then again, there are much scarier creatures that are more universally accept as bad, or, at least, worthy of fear, than reptiles. Such as scorpions, and spiders (along with snakes specifically), which are almost universally regarded with fear (as I remember from a program I watched long ago about fear)

And maybe its just as simple as its their original form. I dont know.

[ceti]

I agree on most of those points, I would suggest that the link is a few of those combined. However in relation to the last sentance of your post the idea of why the rituals take place might require reptilians to answer. For example the idea of the rituals might to contact the astral realm and its entities. In all religions we hear of a life force energy, well those rituals of bloodletting create very dense vibrations which certain forces could channel into, the main conduit for these forces would perhaps be the reptilians.
Heres why I was suggesting that bloodline ( which is what the Brtish Royal family is linked to ). The question that I thought when trying to understand this reptilian idea and sacrifice ritual and bloodletting was, what is the link in history and mythology for vampirism and dragons. It came to where this Dracula character came from, Vlad the Impaler ( Saxe-Gotha ) bloodline. Dracula meaning Son of the dragon, his dad being in the Order of the Serpant so I get to this. So this bloodline that controls the world is linked to the serpant symbolism in yet another way. Thus in the astral realm and our perception of the universe a malignant force might aswell take the form of reptilians.
I guess it is an astract concept, but there is something to all this for sure.

Class post ive often thought about this to.There are stories most likely the old witch tales of vampires and werewolfs etc being pedo`s and rapists although i never really belived that.There is after all something about the blood it retains life and is vital.Plus the age old link of blood being the key to super powers etc.The theory of these beings needing blood to keep there form is also interesting but again is this a thought up design be it a clever one or is there a form of formulated evidence.It seems like mulder n skully episode.One thing i did watch lately was a guy asian looking american accent talking about how he was a navy intelligence officer and he spoke about reps but i got the feeling of shear despair by what he said total fearmongering at its best.If its true though were fucked there is really nowt you can do against them.And that is a thought that can fester in a mind forever and disprupt anyones thought pattern indefinatly.Again a horrible road to venture down if its incorrect.

[ceti]

The scary part for me is that if it is down to 7 foot dimensional beings everybody has the sense of hopelesnes.They are to powerfull etc peoples wil is eroded into paranormal channels and i hope that wont happen we must stand up to this global agenda.

[measle_weasel]

The scary part for me is that if it is down to 7 foot dimensional beings everybody has the sense of hopelesnes.They are to powerfull etc peoples wil is eroded into paranormal channels and i hope that wont happen we must stand up to this global agenda.

I see no reason why we ourselves could not become just as powerfull as the "7 foot dimensional beings". One thing I do agree with DI alot on, is that we must all realize our true potential, in one way or another. If humans believe it is hopeless facing such a monumental potential threat, then it truly is, because no one will even try to resist.

Assuming that there are multidimensional reptilians bent on our destruction: those reptilians came from somewhere, and I doubt they started where they are now. I would guess they started at the bottom, just as we did, and got to where they are through work of some kind. We can follow the same path, if we so choose.

Of course its all speculative... there could be millions or an infinite number of paths through states of power, or there could be no paths, as in, we are where we are, and thats where we will stay. Or maybe these reptilian creatures were actually former humans, who in some way transcended the bounds, or at least some of the bounds, of physicallity, and can change forms at will through a greater understanding of how the universe actually operates.

That last one is a fun thought :D

[ceti]

I see no reason why we ourselves could not become just as powerfull as the "7 foot dimensional beings". One thing I do agree with DI alot on, is that we must all realize our true potential, in one way or another. If humans believe it is hopeless facing such a monumental potential threat, then it truly is, because no one will even try to resist.

Assuming that there are multidimensional reptilians bent on our destruction: those reptilians came from somewhere, and I doubt they started where they are now. I would guess they started at the bottom, just as we did, and got to where they are through work of some kind. We can follow the same path, if we so choose.

Of course its all speculative... there could be millions or an infinite number of paths through states of power, or there could be no paths, as in, we are where we are, and thats where we will stay. Or maybe these reptilian creatures were actually former humans, who in some way transcended the bounds, or at least some of the bounds, of physicallity, and can change forms at will through a greater understanding of how the universe actually operates.

That last one is a fun thought :D

read the last part 3 times :D dont think i could find find anything else on the web at 3am with as much clarity:p

[lizzy]

Could it be that there are no galactic lizards and this subject was brought up to hide the reality from the real predator of man BANKERS AND THE ELITE.When you study snake and reptile symbolism you must understand that snakes are in eygpt same place the lizards in the white house worship. is it not logical that the empire of eygpt may have spread around the world taking there gods and symbology with them?.

sorry to affend anyone i for one belived in the theory but now we must stop with the scale talk and really come to terms of how fucked up are own world is its cartels bankers and zionists not orion or draconis.We cant keep beliving in a subject thats not even provable while the bankers take over more and more land come on guys do you belive in jesus too.:confused:and the lock ness monster.THEY ARE MAKING A PRISON WHILE YOU ARE BLAMING REPTILES FROM OUT OF SPACE.sorry stop this talk and get to the real issue here fucking evil humans.

hi ceti,;)
For once I have'nt waded through the thread....For me your right on target.
The emense wealth and power of International Banking Cartels that control world Govs', NGO's and the UN ...through the ages bringing their symbolism with them. Reppies and ascended masters are a hoax to pin their hidious crimes on or take "refuge' in......

[measle_weasel]

So what is your advice to the many on this forum, many whom won't talk about it outside of PM's even in this forum, who have had experiences with these beings?

Fair enough. I talk with a few in private with a few who do not want their stories told, but a couple of us have talked in this stickie:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30908

I read the whole thread.

And in response to your question, I have no advice, as I have no direct nor indirect experience with these reptilians. Im not sure what advice you think I would possibly be able to give, anyway. What Ive stated before is still what I believe to be the most likely scenario with the knowledge I have. However, if it means anything to you, I do consider the reptilian scenario more likely now, than I thought it to be prior to reading that thread.

And again Ill say, that I do not deny the existance of these creatures. Nor do I deny their influence. Nor do I claim that anything said about the reptilians is false. Nothing is true or false to me. I make it a point to assign probabilities, rather than yeses and nos. Its kind of like the difference between a bit and a qubit.

[measle_weasel]

For once I have'nt waded through the thread....

Then youre missing some great conversation. It starts to get real good at about the time I come to the thread ;)

[darketernal]

Fair enough, and thank you for at least looking at the other side of this issue. You have probably at least realized that for those of us who have lived it, this is not a subject we can "just drop" to "focus on the human criminals", because if our experiences are right, the problem and the solution are larger than simply "restoring the US consitution" in my country, or removing the bankers. Yes I agree the banking interests, and the monetary system as a whole must be removed, however if this is the focus of things and it is done in isolation, we will be no more free than we are right now.

Revolutions and social upheavals happen all the time, and have for all of history, and every time it has allowed the PTB free reign to do as they will, as they slip in a new set of leaders, but this time they do so with the support of the people who truely think they have removed a corrupt group in power, or corrupt laws. New popular laws and leadership is then free every time to continue as they see fit.

That being said, I fully understand and respect the right to the position that "well I can't see much proof and my heart doesn't tell me to follow this strange theory or work against it" but for those of us who lived it, we cannot take that position. How could we?

[measle_weasel]

I agree with all of paragraph one and two.

That being said, I fully understand and respect the right to the position that "well I can't see much proof and my heart doesn't tell me to follow this strange theory or work against it" but for those of us who lived it, we cannot take that position. How could we?

Though I dont find the evidence compelling as of yet, that doesnt mean I dont want to believe it to be true, and doesnt mean Ill stop researching. I just must be objective when doing so. This subject interests me greatly, and Im not going to simply wait around for more evidence to fall from the sky. I dont care about defending my argument, I care about finding the truth.

Anyway, Ive very recently started reading The Biggest Secret. I hope that will enlighten me further.

[magicmerlin]

While I can not say for sure that reptilian beings are real, I can suggest that over the course of thousands of years, human beings may have learnt that 'the impossible' frequently becomes 'reality'.

The earth is round
Man will fly through the sky
We''ll transmit voice from one side of the earth to the other
The concept of television
Space flight
Atom crushing billiuons of times so small we can't see it
The list is endless.........

Oh, and if you can give me scientific proof of human evolution to our current state, then I may agree that alien beings do not exist. In the meantime I have to conclude that we are a hybrid/engineered ape. The reptilian/alien race created us and want us firmly back in the position of slaves. I've mentioned this before - but imagine the scenario where humans visited another planet and created a hybrid race that turned out to be intelligent and in some respects even superior to us; a race created to 'do a job', who flourished and became something incredible. Then humans start mating with some of these new creatures.......and so the story goes on. Can you imagine the uproar, the jealousy, the anger and much more of some humans to such a situatuion. Yes - some humans would love this new race, but others would want them dumbed down, controlled and even exterminated. Some researchers suggest the great flood was even an attempt to do just this, with benevolent beings helping man. If this scenario has any possible truth, then it creates a hugely complex situation and reality.

[loderlive]

Fair enough, and thank you for at least looking at the other side of this issue. You have probably at least realized that for those of us who have lived it, this is not a subject we can "just drop" to "focus on the human criminals", because if our experiences are right, the problem and the solution are larger than simply "restoring the US consitution" in my country, or removing the bankers. Yes I agree the banking interests, and the monetary system as a whole must be removed, however if this is the focus of things and it is done in isolation, we will be no more free than we are right now.

Revolutions and social upheavals happen all the time, and have for all of history, and every time it has allowed the PTB free reign to do as they will, as they slip in a new set of leaders, but this time they do so with the support of the people who truely think they have removed a corrupt group in power, or corrupt laws. New popular laws and leadership is then free every time to continue as they see fit.

That being said, I fully understand and respect the right to the position that "well I can't see much proof and my heart doesn't tell me to follow this strange theory or work against it" but for those of us who lived it, we cannot take that position. How could we?

Illusion works for me, and quite often it is people opposing the bankers telling me it is real and controlling my life, not the bankers themselves. With that mind-set I always find their to be something controlling my life so removal of the banking system in itself would not be my solution. Has anyone considered the possibility once you do remove it, their will not be another one, and another, and another. I'm tired of this.

[noobcybot]

While I can not say for sure that reptilian beings are real, I can suggest that over the course of thousands of years, human beings may have learnt that 'the impossible' frequently becomes 'reality'.

The earth is round
Man will fly through the sky
We''ll transmit voice from one side of the earth to the other
The concept of television
Space flight
Atom crushing billiuons of times so small we can't see it
The list is endless.........

Oh, and if you can give me scientific proof of human evolution to our current state, then I may agree that alien beings do not exist. In the meantime I have to conclude that we are a hybrid/engineered ape. The reptilian/alien race created us and want us firmly back in the position of slaves. I've mentioned this before - but imagine the scenario where humans visited another planet and created a hybrid race that turned out to be intelligent and in some respects even superior to us; a race created to 'do a job', who flourished and became something incredible. Then humans start mating with some of these new creatures.......and so the story goes on. Can you imagine the uproar, the jealousy, the anger and much more of some humans to such a situatuion. Yes - some humans would love this new race, but others would want them dumbed down, controlled and even exterminated. Some researchers suggest the great flood was even an attempt to do just this, with benevolent beings helping man. If this scenario has any possible truth, then it creates a hugely complex situation and reality.


The bible pretty much tells this story with a little creative juggling.
Most of the technology we have today and more seems to have been in evidence or predicted in ancient times or been attainable through spiritual ways. The ancient stuff cannot be discounted if only for the sheer amount.

[ceti]

The bible pretty much tells this story with a little creative juggling.
Most of the technology we have today and more seems to have been in evidence or predicted in ancient times or been attainable through spiritual ways. The ancient stuff cannot be discounted if only for the sheer amount.

That ancient stuff as you put can not be discredited only questioned but it does not stand up against the fucking lizard shit if this race were the creators why are they not showing us this or showing themselves are we supposed to wait till the time is right for them to show us were slaves.Or in the meantime realise the world is fucked and stop the bloodline pharo legacy of bankers zionists jesuits.

[ceti]

Oh i forgot there under the earth :( please if they came here from another planet created and did manipulate man how and why would they not have wacked there face out to us if there so evil and unstoppable and (as is shown) have the ego to present themselves.So now we are dealing with multidimentional wimps that can come here from fuck knows were but are to scared of man.If they can come here from outer space what are they fucking scared of.We lie about going to the moon.They have potential to wipe us all away and travel the cosmos.

sorry does not add up any more :eek:

[measle_weasel]

That ancient stuff as you put can not be discredited only questioned but it does not stand up against the fucking lizard shit if this race were the creators why are they not showing us this or showing themselves are we supposed to wait till the time is right for them to show us were slaves.Or in the meantime realise the world is fucked and stop the bloodline pharo legacy of bankers zionists jesuits.
Oh i forgot there under the earth please if they came here from another planet created and did manipulate man how and why would they not have wacked there face out to us if there so evil and unstoppable (as is shown) have the ego to present themselves.So now we are dealing with multidimentional wimps that can come here from fuck knows were but are to scared of man.If they can come here from outer space what are they fucking scared of.We lie about going to the moon.They have potential to wipe us all away and travel the cosmos.

sorry does not add up any more

Why would they necessarily have to conquer humanity through military might? Maybe they are very patient, and methodical, and dont mind waiting. Maybe they do not want to lose lives in a conflict. Theres many reasons to not fight a physical war.

We lie about going to the moon

Well that just plain wrong.

During one of the apollo missions, mirrors were placed on the surface of the moon for determining its exact distance relative to the earth using lasers, and meassuring the time it takes the laser to get to and from the moon. You can even see these mirrors reflecting if you have a good telescope and know exactly where to look.

These mirrors are how we know the moon drifts about a quarter inch farther away from the earth every year.

[darketernal]

Oh i forgot there under the earth :( please if they came here from another planet created and did manipulate man how and why would they not have wacked there face out to us if there so evil and unstoppable and (as is shown) have the ego to present themselves.So now we are dealing with multidimentional wimps that can come here from fuck knows were but are to scared of man.If they can come here from outer space what are they fucking scared of.We lie about going to the moon.They have potential to wipe us all away and travel the cosmos.

sorry does not add up any more :eek:

Who's story are you following on this?

[noobcybot]

[QUOTE=ceti;664784]That ancient stuff as you put can not be discredited only questioned but it does not stand up against the fucking lizard shit if this race were the creators why are they not showing us this or showing themselves are we supposed to wait till the time is right for them to show us were slaves.[QUOTE]

I always used to ask Christians this when I was younger. Why doesant God speak to us, why doesant he show himself?
There are many reasons, one perhaps being that they literally cannot control humans in our current state. This is why they would be in the shadows.

[QUOTE=ceti;664784]Or in the meantime realise the world is fucked and stop the bloodline pharo legacy of bankers zionists jesuits [QUOTE]

Our World is not just fucked up our whole reality is. Get rid of the NWO and will there be everlasting peace? Will we understand what we are and where we came from?

[ceti]

Why would they necessarily have to conquer humanity through military might? Maybe they are very patient, and methodical, and dont mind waiting. Maybe they do not want to lose lives in a conflict. Theres many reasons to not fight a physical war.



Well that just plain wrong.

During one of the apollo missions, mirrors were placed on the surface of the moon for determining its exact distance relative to the earth using lasers, and meassuring the time it takes the laser to get to and from the moon. You can even see these mirrors reflecting if you have a good telescope and know exactly where to look.

These mirrors are how we know the moon drifts about a quarter inch farther away from the earth every year.

why have we not been back?

You would think we should have by now?

[ceti]

[QUOTE=ceti;664784]That ancient stuff as you put can not be discredited only questioned but it does not stand up against the fucking lizard shit if this race were the creators why are they not showing us this or showing themselves are we supposed to wait till the time is right for them to show us were slaves.[QUOTE]

I always used to ask Christians this when I was younger. Why doesant God speak to us, why doesant he show himself?
There are many reasons, one perhaps being that they literally cannot control humans in our current state. This is why they would be in the shadows.

[QUOTE=ceti;664784]Or in the meantime realise the world is fucked and stop the bloodline pharo legacy of bankers zionists jesuits [QUOTE]

Our World is not just fucked up our whole reality is. Get rid of the NWO and will there be everlasting peace? Will we understand what we are and where we came from?

So then we wait and belive does this all not sound christian in a ironic way

[measle_weasel]

why have we not been back?

You would think we should have by now?

Because we have no landing craft anymore. The capsules died along with the Saturn-V.

And, theres nothing really to do on the moon... its just as it looks. Desolate.

[ceti]

Because we have no landing craft anymore. The capsules died along with the Saturn-V.

And, theres nothing really to do on the moon... its just as it looks. Desolate.

design new ones are technology now is quite advanced i would think if we went there in the 60`s would be a breeze now dont you think?.

[ceti]

What about the vanhalen belt what ever its called and buzz aldrin punching someone that said the landing was false.If they done 911 then trust me the moon landing was another inside job and a joke to the elite.

[measle_weasel]

What about the vanhalen belt what ever its called and buzz aldrin punching someone that said the landing was false.If they done 911 then trust me the moon landing was another inside job and a joke to the elite.

People who think the moon landing was false are... well, gullible.

Im not going to get into arguing with you about either, because its something so silly, its not worth my time to try to convince you.

Read this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm

Also, do a google search for "mirrors on the moon"

[karol2020]

Could it be that there are no galactic lizards and this subject was brought up to hide the reality from the real predator of man BANKERS AND THE ELITE.When you study snake and reptile symbolism you must understand that snakes are in eygpt same place the lizards in the white house worship. is it not logical that the empire of eygpt may have spread around the world taking there gods and symbology with them?.

sorry to affend anyone i for one belived in the theory but now we must stop with the scale talk and really come to terms of how fucked up are own world is its cartels bankers and zionists not orion or draconis.We cant keep beliving in a subject thats not even provable while the bankers take over more and more land come on guys do you belive in jesus too.:confused:and the lock ness monster.THEY ARE MAKING A PRISON WHILE YOU ARE BLAMING REPTILES FROM OUT OF SPACE.sorry stop this talk and get to the real issue here fucking evil humans.

yes... all this you say could be... but it couldn´t too... who really knows?

[dreamweaver]

What about the vanhalen belt what ever its called and buzz aldrin punching someone that said the landing was false.If they done 911 then trust me the moon landing was another inside job and a joke to the elite.
With all due respect you're acting like the kid who discovered his parents lied about Santa Claus so now he thinks everything they say is a lie.

The Van Allen belts (not Van Halen, they were a band :rolleyes: ) are real but the International Space Station passes through one of them five times a day and crew members suffer no ill effects after being up there for months. The trajectory and speed used by the Apollo missions meant that the astronauts' total exposure was no more than an average chest X-ray.

Buzz Aldrin punched a taller, younger man who was deliberately blocking his way, jabbing him in the chest and calling him "a liar and a coward". Good on him, I say.

You are free to believe that the Apollo missions were hoaxed by the Illuminati if you really must, even though it was tracked by the Soviet Union and many amateur astronomers along its entire trajectory, and all the geologists who have ever examined the moon rocks have all declared them to be non-terrestrial in origin. But by the same token, maybe David is an Illuminati shill and this website is an electrical impulse I have implanted in your brain. ;)

But the more mundane truth is that the Apollo missions stopped in the mid-1970s because there wasn't much on the moon anyway, the American public got bored and the plug was pulled on the funding. To go back will mean having to build a new space programme - that requires money, lots of it, and the political will to do it. They are going back to the moon to build a base to prepare for a manned mission to Mars. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2006/10/nasa-sets-orion-13-for-moon-return/

In the meantime, the LRO missions next year should get close enough to photograph the Apollo landing sites, with the abandoned kit still there.

[noobcybot]

[QUOTE=noobcybot;664844][QUOTE=ceti;664784]That ancient stuff as you put can not be discredited only questioned but it does not stand up against the fucking lizard shit if this race were the creators why are they not showing us this or showing themselves are we supposed to wait till the time is right for them to show us were slaves.[QUOTE]

I always used to ask Christians this when I was younger. Why doesant God speak to us, why doesant he show himself?
There are many reasons, one perhaps being that they literally cannot control humans in our current state. This is why they would be in the shadows.

[QUOTE=ceti;664784]Or in the meantime realise the world is fucked and stop the bloodline pharo legacy of bankers zionists jesuits

So then we wait and belive does this all not sound christian in a ironic way

So what are you proposing? Like I say, go ad get rid of the NWO, it will not be the end by a long shot.