Depressive people

[michael]

I took me a long time to understand (with reading David`s books), why people behave, like they behave.

They suffer of depression, due to their own actions!
( I won`t describe, what these actions are)

I can see the "reptilians" every day. They are inside the people!

[eternal_spirit]

:confused: Which people do you see the reptiles in?

[thirdwave]

I took me a long time to understand (with reading David`s books), why people behave, like they behave.

They suffer of depression, due to their own actions!
( I won`t describe, what these actions are)

I can see the "reptilians" every day. They are inside the people!

I know what you mean mate...

[freespark]

I took me a long time to understand (with reading David`s books), why people behave, like they behave.

They suffer of depression, due to their own actions!
( I won`t describe, what these actions are)

I can see the "reptilians" every day. They are inside the people!

I think alot of people are really hurting deep down inside beacause they know in thier heart ot hearts that there is something very very wrong with thier lives.

Humanity is in a bad way. And we know this spiritualy and it kills us inside. We are spritual beings living meaningless lives of waste and ego and materialsm.

And yes i know we create our reality and wat not...but alot of people don't know this and they are just frustrated beyond belief.

Thats my take any ways.

[mari]

Yes, I agree, & the thing that really gets me down are the people who choose to keep their head in the sand. I know that having to face the chaos of our being can be painful, & heaven knows I've had my head under the duvet for years...... But sheer frustration with the way the world seems to be going is finally getting to me & I feel the call to try to make a difference.

[freespark]

Yes, I agree, & the thing that really gets me down are the people who choose to keep their head in the sand. I know that having to face the chaos of our being can be painful, & heaven knows I've had my head under the duvet for years...... But sheer frustration with the way the world seems to be going is finally getting to me & I feel the call to try to make a difference.

We all feel the call. And one day the 'critical mass' will be reached and things will change. We just need a little hope. And thats why we are here.

;)

[mari]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards. Think about it...when do we ever really get the chance to express our feelings in a 'safe & secure' environment? That is,without fear of judgement from others - work/family/friends?
All the angst from our day to day lives gets stuffed down, often for years, & If we're lucky (!) we have a breakdown & can then let rip in the safe confines of the non-judgemental counsellor/psychotherapist's room.

But, because we want to be loved/liked/tolerated,even, most of us put on our masks, along with our hats, coats & stuff when we leave the house in the morning.

[mari]

We all feel the call. And one day the 'critical mass' will be reached and things will change. We just need a little hope. And thats why we are here.

;)

I've often heard about this 'critical mass'. its been spoken of for years. How much of humanity needs to wake up, do you think?

[freespark]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards. Think about it...when do we ever really get the chance to express our feelings in a 'safe & secure' environment? That is,without fear of judgement from others - work/family/friends?
All the angst from our day to day lives gets stuffed down, often for years, & If we're lucky (!) we have a breakdown & can then let rip in the safe confines of the non-judgemental counsellor/psychotherapist's room.

But, because we want to be loved/liked/tolerated,even, most of us put on our masks, along with our hats, coats & stuff when we leave the house in the morning.

I totally agree. Supressed rage slowly eats us alive. And with the lack of expression comes a need for release which sometimes arrives in the form of, well....just look at society.

Road rage is a prime example. Driving is probably the only time we feel 'really' in control of our lives. And when someone disrupts our little 'vacation' from external control we fucking loose it. Our rage gets unleashed.

I am guilty of that. Many are.

[freespark]

I've often heard about this 'critical mass'. its been spoken of for years. How much of humanity needs to wake up, do you think?

I'm not sure Mari...but seee this link. The phenomena is known as the 100th Monkey syndrome. You may have heard of it. Icke has written about it.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=100th+monkey+syndrome&btnG=Google+Search&meta= ;)

[freespark]

The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30years. In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkey liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant.
An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new way and they taught their mothers too.

This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes -- the exact number is not known. Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes.

THEN IT HAPPENED! By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough!

But notice: A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea...Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes. Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people.

This is an excerpt from the book by Ken Keyes, jr. "The Hundredth Monkey."
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[freespark]

So what can we learn from this story? Well it seems to me that there are a number of important lessons:-
We can not tell where an important new breakthrough will occur, so it is important that communication is encouraged
Conversely, even if communication is not encouraged (or even actively discouraged!) it will still occur. There are few secrets in any organisation so think about what is said behind closed doors. If you wouldn’t be happy to express yourself that way in public, perhaps there is a better way to say it (or even NOT say it!)
Culture changes when there is critical mass behind it. It is important to take advantage of peoples’ natural enthusiasm, inquisitiveness, and energy and let these people lead Change
People will change when they understand the benefit of it to them.
It is hard to anticipate the impact of an apparently small change
You can build on the energy and success of one change to seed the next one.
Don’t try to over control; allow space for things to happen
Do you have a culture that encourages experimentation and innovation? Do you have a forum for sharing new ideas? Do people feel safe to be ‘different’? If you don’t then your culture probably is a little stale. What are you going to do to change that? Corporate culture is a bit like yoghurt, if it isn’t living, it doesn’t do much good! A good culture is the result of doing the right things, if you don’t think your culture is right it is probably time to do something different... Time for a Change!.

[john white]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards. Think about it...when do we ever really get the chance to express our feelings in a 'safe & secure' environment? That is,without fear of judgement from others - work/family/friends?
All the angst from our day to day lives gets stuffed down, often for years, & If we're lucky (!) we have a breakdown & can then let rip in the safe confines of the non-judgemental counsellor/psychotherapist's room.

But, because we want to be loved/liked/tolerated,even, most of us put on our masks, along with our hats, coats & stuff when we leave the house in the morning.

This is a solid view, pragmatic, useful and generally consistant with observed reality

As a thought though, anger in itself is simply energy...energy exploding outwards, energy imploding inwards...the most significant aspect is energy out of balance: energy in dis-harmony.

And however many monkeys are needed, we all have the choice to become one of those monkeys!

[mari]

Thank you guys!

[seamus]

This is a solid view, pragmatic, useful and generally consistant with observed reality

As a thought though, anger in itself is simply energy...energy exploding outwards, energy imploding inwards...the most significant aspect is energy out of balance: energy in dis-harmony.

And however many monkeys are needed, we all have the choice to become one of those monkeys!

D'you suppose that's what Mick Jagger was proclaiming with "I'm a monkeeeeeyyy!" ?

:D

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[john white]

Yes: in the same way that Jim Morrison was telling us something when he declared "I am the Lizard King, I can do anything!". And Bob Marley when he declared himself a Lion in Zion

[i_am]

Yes: in the same way that Jim Morrison was telling us something when he declared "I am the Lizard King, I can do anything!". And Bob Marley when he declared himself a Lion in Zion

Yes! I have always believed that Jim Morrison knew what was going on in the world.

[eternal_spirit]

One story about Jim Morrison, when he was a a kid he was a passenger in a car that collided and killed an American Indian Shaman. The Spirit of the Shaman transmigrated to Morrison's body or visited him through out his life and appearing to him as a a ghost like figure influencing his lyrics and his Shamanic style dances on stage wanting to bridge the gap to the other dimensions with the audience hence the (Lizard King) If the Indian Shaman was of the Hopi tribe they believe their God or Creator was a snake like Reptile who lived within the Earth.

[i_am]

One story about Jim Morrison, when he was a a kid he was a passenger in a car that collided and killed an American Indian Shaman. The Spirit of the Shaman transmigrated to Morrison's body or visited him through out his life and appearing to him as a a ghost like figure influencing his lyrics and his Shamanic style dances on stage wanting to bridge the gap to the other dimensions with the audience hence the (Lizard King) If the Indian Shaman was of the Hopi tribe they believe their God or Creator was a snake like Reptile who lived within the Earth.

Just did a search and found this

http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/jim.html

What an interesting piece. Imagine all of that going on in your head back then. No wonder he became so depressed and erratic.

"There are things known, and there are things unknown, and in between is The Doors."

[misscpb]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards. Think about it...when do we ever really get the chance to express our feelings in a 'safe & secure' environment? That is,without fear of judgement from others - work/family/friends?
All the angst from our day to day lives gets stuffed down, often for years, & If we're lucky (!) we have a breakdown & can then let rip in the safe confines of the non-judgemental counsellor/psychotherapist's room.

But, because we want to be loved/liked/tolerated,even, most of us put on our masks, along with our hats, coats & stuff when we leave the house in the morning.

How true my friend, I know for me depression and losing everything was a massive catalyst from my spirit telling me that I was on the wrong pathway in life and that things where not right and that I had to start working on myself and what I wanted in my life from my heart and soul. Here is a great site with a free spiritual e-book on depression, thoughts of suicide and how you can turn your life around yourself.

www.users.bigpond.com/theabbotts1/idontwanttobehere.htm

Take Care ;)

[king]

I know what you mean mate...

please explain

[michael]

Hm,
somehow its "German" (I live in Berlin) Took me some time to understand, what has been done in/to "Germany"
(Its not German (whatever this means) at all, somehow Roman Catholic mixed with Turkish Catholic Muslime -sounds crazy)

Yes, its anger turned inside, as it is hard for me to express my feelings.

I could shout and cry on the open street.

Somehow, I can`t love it! It makes me aggressive to see how unnatural everything is. With people accepting everything.

"The only way is to express love myself"

[michael]

I can see them! Some day I walked on the street and something was morphing out of a person, just for not nearly a second.

I did not feel afraid, I just saw it, thought myself: Oh.

No, I mean, I can see and feel "it" inside people. "They - it- however" is everywhere.

Causing some trouble to find a free soul.

However, I found a way.

[thirdwave]

please explain



perception...

its much better when you converse KOTMH (or side kick) ...although you speak much less when you do converse properly..

what is it you want me to explain?

[lumukanda]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards.

i've heard depression called 'suicide without the enthusiasm' in the past, i used to suffer from depression, then one day i just decided it was time to face myself, i haven't looked back since.

[sgt rock]

People who become depressed have too much time on their hands, and they should be out doing either missionary work for the Lord, or shooting Fuzzy-Wuzzies for Her Majesty.

[chocky pud]

People who become depressed have too much time on their hands, and they should be out doing either missionary work for the Lord, or shooting Fuzzy-Wuzzies for Her Majesty.

TROLL

[sgt rock]

Hallelujah, praise be to The Lord!


Chocky pud, you look like a bowl of excrement with some ice cream on top. Was that intentional?

[jinjo5]

I took me a long time to understand (with reading David`s books), why people behave, like they behave.

They suffer of depression, due to their own actions!
( I won`t describe, what these actions are)

I can see the "reptilians" every day. They are inside the people!

Maybe melancholy is the new Happy!;)

[misscpb]

i've heard depression called 'suicide without the enthusiasm' in the past, i used to suffer from depression, then one day i just decided it was time to face myself, i haven't looked back since.

Good for you, well done taking charge of your life. :)

[multiverse]

Inner suffering and depression are serious, important issues. These emotions are themselves a key to our inner truth. However, so much in our society tells us to ignore, just get over, or try to forget about our suffering. While positive thinking is an essential tool with various methodologies associated with it, positive thinking can also deprive us of finding the origin of our dis-eases.

Our suffering and depression are reactions to our own individual and collective history. Its great to know that we can create our reality through our efforts in positive thought, but its better still, I believe, to seek out the root causes of whatever psychological or physical suffering we are undergoing. But I do not mean the Freudian approach! (May those who have found answers in the Freudian approach forgive me!)

Some of you may be familiar with the psychologist Alice Miller. She is an amazing thinker whose ideas, I believe, are key to these issues. She writes that over the ages we have learned certain repressive parenting techniques (even the most "liberal" among us), and that because of social and religious precepts, we live in denial of the harmful effects of these parental techniques and their social reflections.

My thought is that if our entire society is in denial of these abuses, then we we're building over the ages a sub-conscious pattern of victimization transmitted from one generation to another. From what I've read about our leaders' and Illuminaties' families, they are purposely mistreated and abused in various ways in their childhood in order to ensure that they we fulfill the "agenda" later on.

Traveling the inner path to the discovery of repressed suffering and allowing healing to take place for ourselves individually and for humanity more generally will permit us to break the chains of collective abuse, thus changing the matrix.

Here are some links to books and sites for Alice Miller:

Her most recent book translated in English: Amazon.com: The Body Never Lies: The Lingering Effects of Hurtful Parenting (9780393328639): Alice Miller, Andrew Jenkins: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lT1iiH2NL.@@AMEPARAM@@51lT1iiH2NL

A couple of important articles on her Web site:
How is Emotional Blindness Created (http://www.alice-miller.com/flyers_en.php?page=4)
The Roots of Violence (http://www.alice-miller.com/flyers_en.php?page=3)

Warmest thoughts to you all.

[king]

I believe that depression is anger turned inwards.




you got something there


Think about it...when do we ever really get the chance to express our feelings in a 'safe & secure' environment? That is,without fear of judgement from others - work/family/friends?
All the angst from our day to day lives gets stuffed down, often for years, & If we're lucky (!) we have a breakdown & can then let rip in the safe confines of the non-judgemental counsellor/psychotherapist's room.exactly

But, because we want to be loved/liked/tolerated,even, most of us put on our masks, along with our hats, coats & stuff when we leave the house in the morning.this is absolutely true.

we are all experiencing lack of love.

lack of love turns into depression and anger.

[sevenworlds]

It's partly - probably mainly - been my depression that's led me to 'awakening' so I definitely think there is a link there and as someone pointed out, society tends to try and push it aside or deal with it through medication. Is that a coincidence I wonder?

I'm 27 now and have suffered some form of depression on and off since I was about 15 or 16. It really flared up after I became ill with what was diagnosed as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (or M.E.) during my first job. I ended up quitting the job to recover and got pretty depressed, felt suicidal at times, and it's never really left me since then.

I've just always felt a deep nagging feeling that there has to be more to life than what we're shown and I can now see that's where my depression came from. I even wonder if illnesses such as CFS/ME are the body or minds way of trying to confirm that.

Since awakening, over the last couple of months, I can honestly say I've never felt better. Everyday I've woken up without that heavy feeling, it's like someone has just taken off the blinkers and I can see how great true reality is. How can it be that I feel so different just from realising certain things when I felt so heavy for so long? It's scary to think I could have been put on pills if I'd went to a doctor about it.

So, in my experience, I've no doubts that depression (along with many other 'mental illnesses') is your deeper self trying to tell you something isn't right with reality and that you don't need therapy or medication to get rid of it. You just have to wake up.

And I agree that depression is anger turned inwards. I've felt rage inside me many times in the past that I couldn't express outwardly. In some people it manifests as physical violence while in others it gets trapped inwards as depression. The way I see it, all these things are caused by people hurting inside but not understanding why.

[limelady]

Welcome to the forum sevenworlds!!

I'm really pleased your depression has lifted since your 'reality blindfold' has been removed! I see you are a muso......you're in good company here, there are many other musos on this forum. :)

Lime

[richmick]

Depression is a result of our environment, as well as other things. We live artificial lives in which we see more of our work colleagues and the elite managers, than we do seeing our family. Our work environment becomes our primary place of exsisting. We toil to create artificial wealth (yeah right) to pay of our debts (house, car, holidays ~ stuff). It's not living, it's just existing in many cases. I started getting waves of depression in my job, it went on for months, doing the overtime to make ends meet. Eventually i burnt out, total collapse. Doctors, more doctors, insurance asseses, CBT. I'm still off work, still popping the tabs. My company doesn't want me back now, their trying dirty tricks to get rid of me, the union solicitors are involved. It's a crazy world. We are expendable. That's a very good reason for people getting depressed. You can scream at your employer, that your under staffed, taking on too many contracts. What do they do, cut heads lol. We live in an insane world. We are mules for the elite to manipulate. ho hum, hopefully change is a comin.:p

[tru3]

This is a solid view, pragmatic, useful and generally consistant with observed reality

As a thought though, anger in itself is simply energy...energy exploding outwards, energy imploding inwards...the most significant aspect is energy out of balance: energy in dis-harmony.

And however many monkeys are needed, we all have the choice to become one of those monkeys!

i'll witness that. i experienced low-level depression well into my thirties. i came to the conclusion, through exposure to extensive group experiential work, including alchoholics anonymous, that my own personal experience of depression was that of a spiritual pride cleverly hidden. the obverse of exalting myself, which i see as more of a pathological reaction formation, with the shadow/guilt projecting outward, not taking it on oneself, as i did. in aa, we call it the "king shit" syndrome: nobody has fucked up more than i, nobody has suffered as much. i own that i was massively self-indulgent.

i did have my blood chemistry checked, and i chose to forego pharmacueticals and instead made a decision to fall forward into what this energy was trying to tell me, to face the emotional dragon rather numbing it out. the gift people like me have received is the living knowledge, centered in the core of Being, of the words "a day at a time". and guess what-- it's been really a relief to approach life this way for almost 10 years.

but that's all ancient history, as far as i'm concerned. what's exciting is what's happening, right here. there's a lot of synchronicity on this site, a lot of positive intention.

thanks for all the shares. :)

p.s. we were joking a while back about doing a "humans anonymous" or "rept-al-anon" :-) if the mods want to open a "humans anonymous" forum, i'll say the first opening:

god grant me the serenity
to accept the things i cannot change,
the courage to change the things i can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

i love you guys!