Family and Friends

[stoner22]

How do you guys cope with family and friends when it comes to discussing events happening in the world?
Whilst i was aware of certain cover ups i am only just beginning through reading and studying the true extent of what is going on in the world.
However when there is a discussion with family/friends and i voice my opinion,they invariably end up thinking i am losing the plot,my wife has just said i am beginning to worry her,but she is just listening to the brits staple diet of the daily rags and bbc news.
The more i try and put my point over just seems to give them more reason to doubt my sanity.
I'm not getting that deep ,just things like 9/11 the obvious things,why do people just bury their head in the sand?
At the same time i just can't sit quietly about such matters,just not quite so easy as changing your family and friends.

[oneofmany]

How do you guys cope with family and friends when it comes to discussing events happening in the world?
Whilst i was aware of certain cover ups i am only just beginning through reading and studying the true extent of what is going on in the world.
However when there is a discussion with family/friends and i voice my opinion,they invariably end up thinking i am losing the plot,my wife has just said i am beginning to worry her,but she is just listening to the brits staple diet of the daily rags and bbc news.
The more i try and put my point over just seems to give them more reason to doubt my sanity.
I'm not getting that deep ,just things like 9/11 the obvious things,why do people just bury their head in the sand?
At the same time i just can't sit quietly about such matters,just not quite so easy as changing your family and friends.Check out this thread. You might find some answers there.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2740

[montag]

I'm not getting that deep ,just things like 9/11 the obvious things

Whilst 9/11 might seem obvious to you it is still quite a stretch for the average Joe to come to terms with. What you're asking them to accept is that our governments are not benevolent, instead they are quite malevolent and are capable of murdering over three thousand of their own citizens.

You cannot force people to wake up, I've had my own father threaten me with physical violence once because I dared question the holocaust. Sometimes you have to learn to live inside your own head and sit on the information planting little seeds along the way. You can only help people that have decided to wake up otherwise you will find yourself alienated from your friends and family.

With regards to your wife that is a difficult one, It took me a while to introduce my wife to this information but if you take it slowly and they love you enough to fully trust you then you will get through in the end. Slowly slowly is my advice.

Good luck and remember although it may seem so, you are not alone..

[indigo]

My husband thinks it's all aload of crap. Mind you though I have been skeptical about certain things but the more you look into it the more it adds up. My family believe some things, but mostly they think im mad.:( They don't really take the time to research stuff.

[rossus]

i don't talk with family about it... so they cope with it pretty well.
most friends realize what's up.

[mada88]

Family and Friends are probably the biggest attatchment that chains us down to the matrix. But remember our chains are loose they are never fully locked. Who is more interesting to look at and study? the master or his slave? What motivates the slave to continue being the slave?

[auron]

I went through the same with my parents a year ago. No matter how good an argument i made, they still just thought i was fucked in the head for listening to that "Icke" Guy.

I just kept queit around them after that. And just stayed in my room reading up on everything. I would always be awake at night, and slept in the day. It was great to be out of there way! :D

I have been living at my friends house now for about 7 months. The freedom here is beautiful. I can do, and say exactly what i want. Still my friends deny any kind of worldwide conspiracy (possibly because they cannont comprehend the full magnitude of it), and i don't mind. They respect my right to express myself any way i like, so respect their right to be ignorant.

Take it easy man!

Auron :)

[stikmata]

Hard for me to relate seeing as my father has a copy of the "Urantia Book" and my mother is a full time Astrologist. (and they've never married/have been separated since i was 3 or so).

But i seem to find the stubborn people i encounter in my life a reflection of my own inability to be flexible in my own life.... weather that's on a political or personal level.

Approach the situation as if there is something significant for you to learn and not as if you know it all... you and the person you are trying to "enlighten" will benefit more if your attitude is humble.

[turquoisefyre]

How do you guys cope with family and friends when it comes to discussing events happening in the world?



i've decided i'm going to just let mine go. my whole family knows the score, but they live in absolute denail.

what's worse, they have tried and tried to drag me into that pidgeon hole they are in. i refuse!

i love them. but they can go to hell for all i care now, and it would only be their own fault. i've got enough heartache with the state the world is in.

good advice me thinks:

try and gravitate towards those of like mindedness. but never loose youreslf in it the way peers and siblings have lost themselves in their sheeple ways.

[thedame]

i've decided i'm going to just let mine go. my whole family knows the score, but they live in absolute denail.

what's worse, they have tried and tried to drag me into that pidgeon hole they are in. i refuse!

i love them. but they can go to hell for all i care now, and it would only be their own fault. i've got enough heartache with the state the world is in.

good advice me thinks:

try and gravitate towards those of like mindedness. but never loose youreslf in it the way peers and siblings have lost themselves in their sheeple ways.

Wow, I wouldn't be as extreme as that. Through out my adolecence and probably earlier I had a tough time with my parents about pretty much everything. I was growing up and experiencing and learning about things that are simply not in their remit. You know, conspiracy, music, drugs, the whole she-bang.

Now I'm a little bit older I appreciate that I'm never going to see eye to eye with them on some things but the love that is within you must surely extend to the people who brought you into this world (however fucked up it is). Perhaps they've just had a different life to the one you have had and their opinions were formed at a different point in history and under different influences.

It is possible to still love your family but not accept their ways... don't do something you might regret later.

love,
damex

[turquoisefyre]

It is possible to still love your family but not accept their ways... don't do something you might regret later.

love,
damex

yes i gree, i guess what i was really trying to say is that if they get pelted by the NWO because they didn't help in the fight, or they got sick of the vaccinations and excitotoxins...

well...what am i supposed to do!?

[auron]

Approach the situation as if there is something significant for you to learn and not as if you know it all... you and the person you are trying to "enlighten" will benefit more if your attitude is humble.

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[stikmata]

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:D

hehhehehehehe

nice!

[nessa felagund]

Hey, stoner22, don't give up on your family. Every little seed you plant is taking root with them. I know, I was on the denial side for so long. My husband saw through the lies of September 11, and he finally woke me up to the truth of it even though I fought him every step of the way.

I used to get so angry and defensive when he would say that the government (or at least certain elements within it) was behind it all. I used to argue with him, sometimes quite loudly--lol, but in the end, I realised he was telling me the truth. The truth really does set us free.

I think your wife and family will eventually come around to see it, too. Remember the love you have for them, and always let them know that you love them. Love really will break down the barriers.

[auron]

Hey nessa! welcome to the forum. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_185.gif

Nice post. Especially this bit:


I think your wife and family will eventually come around to see it, too. Remember the love you have for them, and always let them know that you love them. Love really will break down the barriers.

I look forward to your future posts here.

Peace. http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5008/jointun9.gif

Auron :)

EDIT: By the way, Happy Birthday!

[nessa felagund]

Thanks for the comment and the birthday wish. I appreciate both. I look forward to participating in more discussions on the forum.

[stoner22]

Thanks for the replies,on a night out tonight with friends,i hope we can get through the night peacefully :D

Happy birthday Nessa mine too

[amadeus]

Hi,

I just recently had a difficult time with my wife with this. You can read the discussion HERE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3734) if you are interested. Fortunately things got sorted out and our relationship actually improved after our little crisis. Good luck! I'll get back to you if I come up with some new advice....

[anoninnyc]

How do you guys cope with family and friends when it comes to discussing events happening in the world?
Whilst i was aware of certain cover ups i am only just beginning through reading and studying the true extent of what is going on in the world.
However when there is a discussion with family/friends and i voice my opinion,they invariably end up thinking i am losing the plot,my wife has just said i am beginning to worry her,but she is just listening to the brits staple diet of the daily rags and bbc news.
The more i try and put my point over just seems to give them more reason to doubt my sanity.
I'm not getting that deep ,just things like 9/11 the obvious things,why do people just bury their head in the sand?
At the same time i just can't sit quietly about such matters,just not quite so easy as changing your family and friends.



they are in denial. my best advice to you, and many won't agree with this or think its a cop out, is to not go full force with your family.... why? because they can't handle the truth. instead plant seeds of doubt, ask questions, compare to relevant historical events, etc and let them come to their own conclusions. best of luck.

[tinmenace]

How do you guys cope with family and friends when it comes to discussing events happening in the world?
Whilst i was aware of certain cover ups i am only just beginning through reading and studying the true extent of what is going on in the world.
However when there is a discussion with family/friends and i voice my opinion,they invariably end up thinking i am losing the plot,my wife has just said i am beginning to worry her,but she is just listening to the brits staple diet of the daily rags and bbc news.
The more i try and put my point over just seems to give them more reason to doubt my sanity.
I'm not getting that deep ,just things like 9/11 the obvious things,why do people just bury their head in the sand?
At the same time i just can't sit quietly about such matters,just not quite so easy as changing your family and friends.



Hello, and welcome to the forum :)

Here's the thing (for me)...

Even though I'm here sharing my life with other people like family and friends, my awakening and spiritual path is a 100% personal thing. So, even though I know that some of my family and friends think that I'm crazy and roll their eyes at me, I forgive them because they don't understand that I don't need their validation or approval for my choices. It's THEIR hangup, and they're trying to transfer THEIR fears and hangups to me. Nah ah!

For those that insist on being control freaks, I no longer allow them to freely trample my space. I've drawn boundaries and their actions and attitudes have determined their allowed distance from me. Then, there are others that love me truly, and listen enthusiastically, and accept me just the way I am. Those people are not a danger to my wellbeing and I appreciate them so much.

My advice to you is to remember that this is a personal thing. You may feel so excited, and want to run out in the street screaming for everyone to listen and to wake up, but they may not be ready to hear it. That is why it's so important to "flock" with like-minded people to connect on a spiritual level, and nourish yourself with the kind of understanding and love that comes from that kind of friendship.

Don't chase your family away, especially if you have children. Yes, your spouse is terrified because she's not ready to let go of her 5-senses reality, this 3D world we live in. You'll have to guide those around you with gentle kindness. Remember, you can't force people to see what you see, if they are not ready.

You'll be fine ;)

[lookfar]

Great post there tin, well said!! :)

Hi, Happy Birthday & welcome to the forum to stoner22 & nessa :)

[tinmenace]

Thanks sweetie :)

Happy birthday Stoner, and Nessa I believe I already got you earlier, but happy happeeee again!

[neutron flux]

Hello, and welcome to the forum

Here's the thing (for me)...

Even though I'm here sharing my life with other people like family and friends, my awakening and spiritual path is a 100% personal thing. So, even though I know that some of my family and friends think that I'm crazy and roll their eyes at me, I forgive them because they don't understand that I don't need their validation or approval for my choices. It's THEIR hangup, and they're trying to transfer THEIR fears and hangups to me. Nah ah!

For those that insist on being control freaks, I no longer allow them to freely trample my space. I've drawn boundaries and their actions and attitudes have determined their allowed distance from me. Then, there are others that love me truly, and listen enthusiastically, and accept me just the way I am. Those people are not a danger to my wellbeing and I appreciate them so much.

My advice to you is to remember that this is a personal thing. You may feel so excited, and want to run out in the street screaming for everyone to listen and to wake up, but they may not be ready to hear it. That is why it's so important to "flock" with like-minded people to connect on a spiritual level, and nourish yourself with the kind of understanding and love that comes from that kind of friendship.

Don't chase your family away, especially if you have children. Yes, your spouse is terrified because she's not ready to let go of her 5-senses reality, this 3D world we live in. You'll have to guide those around you with gentle kindness. Remember, you can't force people to see what you see, if they are not ready.

You'll be fine



We haven't seen eye to eye so to speak, but I think that's the best thing you've written of the posts I've read of yours and it just brings me back to the fact that we all are in the same boat and it rings true to me. :)

@stoner22, a little helpful hint is to also incorporate your usual wit or style to your explanations as to create a sense of familiarity which your loved ones will more likely take on board as to what your saying. It maybe bleak but a little light relief can take the edge off a heavy subject. (just my 2 pence)

[mari]

Family and Friends are probably the biggest attatchment that chains us down to the matrix. But remember our chains are loose they are never fully locked. Who is more interesting to look at and study? the master or his slave? What motivates the slave to continue being the slave?

'Security',pure & simple!

[tinmenace]

We haven't seen eye to eye so to speak

Oh we haven't? Didn't notice, so I guess that's good. http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/blowbubbles.gif

[jinjo5]

Im slowly getting my daughter(15) into it without forcing her,shes aware of some things....like im trying to encourage her never to get in debt,never get a mortgage....and dont have kids!!!.Its all part of it,a family is a bite-sized piece that can be controlled and be manipulated.
As for my 13 year old son,no point at the minute,hes so far up his teenage arse he couldnt understand it anyway.
I dont mention the lizard thing,cos there is no need to.....and im far from convinced about that aspect anyway.

[stoner22]

Hello, and welcome to the forum :)

Here's the thing (for me)...

Even though I'm here sharing my life with other people like family and friends, my awakening and spiritual path is a 100% personal thing. So, even though I know that some of my family and friends think that I'm crazy and roll their eyes at me, I forgive them because they don't understand that I don't need their validation or approval for my choices. It's THEIR hangup, and they're trying to transfer THEIR fears and hangups to me. Nah ah!

For those that insist on being control freaks, I no longer allow them to freely trample my space. I've drawn boundaries and their actions and attitudes have determined their allowed distance from me. Then, there are others that love me truly, and listen enthusiastically, and accept me just the way I am. Those people are not a danger to my wellbeing and I appreciate them so much.

My advice to you is to remember that this is a personal thing. You may feel so excited, and want to run out in the street screaming for everyone to listen and to wake up, but they may not be ready to hear it. That is why it's so important to "flock" with like-minded people to connect on a spiritual level, and nourish yourself with the kind of understanding and love that comes from that kind of friendship.

Don't chase your family away, especially if you have children. Yes, your spouse is terrified because she's not ready to let go of her 5-senses reality, this 3D world we live in. You'll have to guide those around you with gentle kindness. Remember, you can't force people to see what you see, if they are not ready.

You'll be fine ;)




Nice post.
I was out tonight with my family at a wedding reception,funny some of the people i met for the first time,moan about things like smoking ban,cctv,the country we live in and so on,i didn't say much except make polite conversation,but as i came away i was bothered by how many people feel so unhappy about the various places they live in,and more intrusions into their lives yet so few seem to delve any further.
Do you foresee a time when more people will question more?I see it getting worse as more folk seem to getting more brainwashed and more content with just watching the latest reality TV show.

[tinmenace]

Nice post.

Do you foresee a time when more people will question more?I see it getting worse as more folk seem to getting more brainwashed and more content with just watching the latest reality TV show.

Thank you.

Well, I've come to realize that we can only help those reaching out for it, and yes there is an awakening, and as more and more people become conscious, the more these evil entities are at risk. I am not eloquent enough to explain exactly what I am feeling and what I know, but I urge you to read THIS THREAD (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3883) by Lapis. Follow her links also. See if any of the information resonates with you, and also see if you are experiencing any of the symptoms (links).

Read the thread all the way to the end (just a few pages). I think that at the end of it you will understand why you can see so clearly while others cannot. Why you are finding more peace while the rest of the world appears to be going to hell in a handbag. Some hold on to the 3D, five-sense lower vibrations, and it will devour them.

Just grab onto those reaching out and help them up. More than that we cannot really do. The winds of change are blowing.

[nessa felagund]

Cheers to all and thanks for all the kind birthday wishes--and happy birthday to you stoner22. What a cool day to be born! LOL

I also see more and more people starting to question things. I don't experience near as much resistance to the truth as I once did. I think that is also evident in the current polls that show the vast majority of people question what really happend on Sept. 11. That's a good sign that word is spreading.

The internet is a wonderful tool to spread the truth. It's also nice to come to forums like this one and talk to people who are open minded enough to seek the truth. I look forward to more discussions with all of you.