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steevo

03-12-2008, 03:09 AM

EVERYDAY now it's unfolding on the mainstream media that there is OBVIOUSLY an agenda to create new laws so that they can have the power to enter ANYONE'S property who have kids. They want to visit EVERY family on a weekly basis to check that you are not sexually/physically/verbally abusing your kids (that is my opinion). Please feel free to comment or to post other stories which back up this apparent agenda. Here is the latest story :-

Around one in 10 children in Britain is mistreated but only a tenth of such cases get investigated, according to a new study.

By Kate Devlin Medical Corresopndent
Last Updated: 4:33PM GMT 02 Dec 2008

Researchers said that the number of children being physically, sexually or emotionally abused was a "much bigger problem" than is generally acknowledged.

If all cases of child maltreatment were to be investigated then social services would be "overwhelmed" said Professor Ruth Gilbert, from University College London, who led the study, one of several published in a special issue on the problem in the Lancet medical journal.

Parents who hit their children are also statistically more likely to go on to abuse them, said Dr Richard Reading, from the University of East Anglia, another contributor to the series.

"In general parents who resort to physical punishment are also more likely statistically to be abusers," he said.

Teachers, GPs, nurses and other professionals trained to spot signs of abuse were often reluctant to report suspicions because of fears for the welfare of children separated from their families, Professor Gilbert warned.

She said: "On a population basis this is a much bigger problem than is recognised.

"When it is recognised by professionals it often doesn't get reported.

"When it does get reported there are issues about whether investigation and assessment go hand in hand with services.

"The evidence ... is that that does not always seem to be the case."

She called for another way for the state to intervene to help parents and safeguard children that did not involve the "stigma" of a social services investigation, unless the abuse was serious enough to warrant such action.

Professor Gilbert added that there was very little evidence of what worked to help prevent abuse occurring in the first place and to ensure that it did not recur.

Her team based their estimations on a number of studies which questioned adults about how they had been treated as children and asked parents if they had ever mistreated their offspring.

Dr Richard Horton, editor of the Lancet, said: "This is a much bigger public health problem than is currently perceived and the risk factors reach deep into society."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3542557/One-in-10-children-mistreated.html

dedicate

03-12-2008, 04:00 AM

The way I see this is it's the Big Brother State in action, or the Matrix taking over our lives. What was it that Morpheus said to Neo? -- "What is the Matrix? Control."

People who are in authority over others, rather than give them the freedom they deserve -- seek to exert control over the population as a way of engineering a better society. This is not the way. Man is not a puppet.

The controllers are informed of a high rate of crime, for example, and rather than seek out the root just exercise a form of control over the population, like curfue, in the name of making everybody safe. This is not the way to a better society, but a way to a prison society. Soon we will all be criminals and live in shakels. Everyone will be safe from everyone else, but the wardens will have our necks.

Live free or die.

illuminati downfall

03-12-2008, 05:11 AM

that's all we need. Another reason for the government to come into people's homes and pry into our lives. All those who have children are going to lose even more power if this goes ahead. I personally think it's simply one more way to get more children from their parents and into care. I recall a thread on here recently about CPS. Seems like it could be related. :mad:

the nine

03-12-2008, 05:39 AM

its is ridiculous..
they cant even stop school bullying yet they want to look into the personal lives of ordinary loving families... to do what?

knee jerk reation to baby p death...strike the metal whilst its hot mentality!

killmicrosoft

03-12-2008, 09:29 AM

they better open up there own hospitals for social services staff then

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grenadene

03-12-2008, 10:37 AM

I worked as an Education Welfare Officer until they brought out the fixed penalty fines. Prior to that I worked in Social Services and was in post when the Victoria Climbei report was issued. Social workers, medical staff and other agencies were directed to share information where there were concerns over a child's safety, this was supposed to stop the 'preciousness' of some professionals that kept info to themselves.

I know of other terrible CP cases that have never been reported on, I fear it is probably the exception when news like the baby P case leaks out. The Police and Social services currently have always had the powers to remove children but in my experience this rarely happens, I've even seen parents beg to have their children taken away.

So how does a society ensure all its little people are taken care of? Neighbours don't look out for one another. A friend of mine had a fit and went unconscious in the street and not one person stopped to pick her up! We are given the impression in the media that groups of youths should not be approached lest we get beaten to death....so it seems we've reached the stage that 'society' is wanting someone else to make 'society' a better place for us.

Confuses the hell out of me :)

malvern

03-12-2008, 10:48 AM

just to add fear into everyone the lancet reports;

Lancet: Child abuse / neglect is far more common than thought - apparently
By Matt Wardman • December 3, 2008

From the Lancet today:

Child maltreatment remains a major public-health and social-welfare problem in high-income countries. Every year, about 4–16% of children are physically abused and one in ten is neglected or psychologically abused. During childhood, between 5% and 10% of girls and up to 5% of boys are exposed to penetrative sexual abuse, and up to three times this number are exposed to any type of sexual abuse. However, official rates for substantiated child maltreatment indicate less than a tenth of this burden.

Exposure to multiple types and repeated episodes of maltreatment is associated with increased risks of severe maltreatment and psychological consequences. Child maltreatment substantially contributes to child mortality and morbidity and has longlasting effects on mental health, drug and alcohol misuse (especially in girls), risky sexual behaviour, obesity, and criminal behaviour, which persist into adulthood. Neglect is at least as damaging as physical or sexual abuse in the long term but has received the least scientific and public attention. The high burden and serious and long-term consequences of child maltreatment warrant increased investment in preventive and therapeutic strategies from early childhood.

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The excerpt is all you get to read, sunshine. So you will have to take part in the complex debate based on secondhand accounts and shouty newspapers.

Detailed definitions of terms are absolutely critical here, and I have seen any in any of the early news reports, nor am I hearing any on the BBC: definitions such as “persistently made to feel useless or worthless” is not good enough or clear enough for such an important debate. We need the detail before we can have an intelligent conversation.

Combine that with the tendency of lobbying groups to obfuscate any difference between reasonable parental discipline (”smacking”) and abuse (”hitting” or “beating up”), and subsume it all into a blood-red cloud of “violence against children” which demonises anyone who disagrees with the “ban all smacking” view, and you see the problem.

I’m not going near the detail of this report until I have seen the full definitions of the terms used, but I will not be surprised if it turns into a professional political football very quickly.

The thing that worries me is that we may get a “we must do something and this government is going to ACT” reaction, since to date I am reasonably persuaded by the view that taking a child away from its parents is quite likely to cause more damage than the original issue if there is not a really serious problem. The New Labour gut reaction will be - as it always is - more government, more regulation, more control, more supervision, more expenditure, more removals of children, more databases, more agencies, and more of everything else; I wonder what we could do to make it different this time? The current system is in something of a mess, and I don’t think that making the mess bigger will fix it.

Perhaps - against the noise - one thing that we can learn from the Baby P case is that a proliferation of government activity is the one thing that is unlikely to work, since that was what they tried last time and it just seems to have created more cracks for cases to fall down.

My first tentative thought is that one of the key philosophical principles we need to turn to is to rebuild human relationships in human communities on a human scale. Maybe we need a second Schumacher to write about child-rearing and letting children get on with it, and better relationships with our spouses and extended familes, rather than 687245 more parenting-inspectors and 24683 extra people with clipboards to audit social workers and then fill in a tickbox.

Personally, if I had children and could afford it, I would be sorely tempted - like Longrider - to leave the country to get away from the random blunderings and meanderings of our present government, and work here virtually if at all. Alas - I have no farmhouse in Southern Europe.

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does seem to be a common target area...... what next mass camps for training children as good little slaves or like Zimbabwe good little killers........all for the childrens best......... these families need help , so many people are living well below shit level , someone who has money could never understand the stress they live everyday . poverty does not give freedom and will always lead to suffering..

who gave them right to question the kids to make these reports, do you know what these teachers are asking and telling your children..... everyday!!!!

freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

kweli

03-12-2008, 12:42 PM

godspeed

03-12-2008, 12:59 PM

gods knows what shit is going to happen now from the ss who seem to fail just to change the system with more power to invade our homes...well like anyone who comes to our dwellings we dont have to let them in...i was neglcted by my parents drinking and fighting and then i got jumped and raped out in the streets were i was evading being home and i buried it all in my sub-concience till i got near 40 and it all came rummbling back to me...i went to them for help with depression and all i found out was that they dont really give a fuck just like my parents eh...now im intelligent and learned a lot about survival and its me teaching them what i learned...there is no help for the abused but self help and the will to change and find the higher self for giudance...be strong out there i was too trusting and paid a huge price without love and lasting relationships...maybe if they got me young it would have fucked me up even more lol

pduffy4

03-12-2008, 02:12 PM

The New World Order scum want to put security cameras into everyones home in my opinion. This is one reason for the channel 4's "Big Brother" program to get people used to the idea.

Accusing parents of abusing their children I believe is going to be used as the mechanism for more intrusion on peoples lives and freedoms.

Channel 5's "The Wright Stuff", this morning 3rd December, talked about the Governments plans for the Police to be able to stop anyone and demand ID. The panel were not happy about this so they appear to be waking up for now.

anthony65

03-12-2008, 02:31 PM

I'm of the same opinion. I read that article last night and got the same alarm bells ringing.

Here's another report taken from my local rag ( Doncaster Free Press 20th Nov)

What exactly constitutes 'misuse'? Could it be anyone drinking more than the governments recommended allowance?

6,000 children in homes where alcohol is 'misused'

AROUND 6,000 Doncaster children live in homes where one or more adults misuses alcohol, according to health chiefs.
Dr Tony Baxter made the shocking revelation ahead of The Great Drink Debate - a three month campaign to gather views on alcohol from across the region.

Full report:

http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free/6000-children-in-homes-where.4710837.jp

Did they have a survey where you report how many units of alcohol you drink per day / week?

I could imagine them setting some figure and deeming everything above it as misuse.

Doncaster has a population of about 70,000. the metropolitan area about 270,000.

It surely can't be 6000 kids in a population of 70,000?

Even 6000 kids out of 270,000 sounds very steep. How many children are there in Doncaster? Are there many muslims in Doncaster? I assume that most of them don't drink.

It seems like anyone who admits to drinking more than x units a day is guilty of misuse!

adzboarder

03-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Steevo,

Having read many of Icke's books it seems apparent that an astonishing amount of children disappear forever all over the world and if you are going to believe the "wackier" side of things, these children are abused by world leaders and held in underground bases and stuff until they are needed for ritual sacrifice and for the shapeshifters to drink the fear-fuelled blood of terrified infants before tearing them limb from limb etc etc.

I don't know (of course) if this is true or not, but my beliefs veer over toward that being the case.

This all seems to be an agenda that has several purposes and this is what we are seeing played out in the media.

Purpose #1

To exert more control over the masses, monitoring children to appease the Big Brother state for the sake of the children of course. This will include sending "health visitors" (read: government spies) into peoples homes to report on any little thing that seems dodgy and to empower them to remove children from their families for trivial and pathetic things.

More spying, more power and more control.

Purpose #2

To create an environment where people would have to apply to the state to have children which would help the elite's agenda to reduce populations, this has been seen in China already. What would likely happen would be that 1 in a 100 couples would get licensed to have ONE child and this would be a boon for those wishing to reduce birth rates and population.

Purpose #3

To get more children removed from their family homes and into the arms of paedophiles, abusers, satanists and sickos to do God-knows-what to these poor little innocent mites in so-called "Care" homes and adopted families etc and also to ensure a good steady trade of children to be used in sweat-shops, the sex trade and as drug mules. THIS I feel is one of the main purposes for this sick shite we are seeing day by day.

Innocent parents ARE going to be targeted as those who care about their children and bring them up well end up with beautiful, vibrant youngsters who are smart, clever and free-thinking - EXACTLY what these sick fucks would want - they aren't going to want the dregs of society, those whose parents couldn't give a flying toss about their children.

Conclusion

As a family man with 2 children I feel as appalled as any other about Baby P and these other sensationalised stories, but I feel we need to exercise common sense and stop ASSUMING that every parent buggers and abuses their children. What fucks me off the most is that those who genuinely care about their children (like me), for example those who dont give their kids vaccines, that don't give their kids McDonalds and aspartame laden poison and don't allow them to watch commercial television and brain-washing - it's us that they are coming for I feel - and I am fearful of what is going on as a direct result and will be watching this unfold carefully with protection for my own kin in mind.