7 Reasons Not to Read the inglorious Qur'an

[seek_the_truth]

7 Reasons Not to Read the inglorious Qur'an

1. Imitable
The Koran is a recycled version of Jewish and Christian scriptures with some Arab thugishness thrown in, written fourteen hundred years ago. The Kitáb-i-Aqdas was written by Bahá'u'lláh, founder of the Baha’i faith (founded 19th century, Persia) and successfully imitates the Qur'an and even surpasses it.

2. Corruptible
It is the only religious writing that has been in circulation, totally because of fear, for such a long time and yet remains as impure as it was in the beginning. There were the Satanic verses, a group of apocryphal Qur'an verses that allowed for prayers of intercession to be made to three Pagan Meccan goddesses: Allat, Uzza, and Mana, but they were later removed. After that, the Qur'an was kept intact. Nothing was added to it, nothing was changed in it, and nothing was taken away from it ever since its revelation was completed 1400 hundred years ago, because its followers, most of whom were thuggish, were satisfied with what it contained.

3. Surpassable
The Qur'an is not some God's final revelation to humankind. God never revealed the Torah to fictitious Moses, the Psalms to fictitious David, the Gospel to fictitious Jesus, and the reptilians were truly behind these scriptures and the reptilians were also behind Muhammad‘s Qur‘an. Other books can surpass the Qur’an, such as the Kitáb-i-Aqdas written by Bahá'u'lláh, founder of the Baha’i faith. The messengers of this new mind-prison founded in 19th century Persia, include Abraham, the Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. No book has or will come from God, because if there is a God, he would not create the universe, and then want to contact a few individuals on planet Earth, have them write a book, have people worship him five times a day, starve themselves (fasting), kill people in religious wars (Jihad) and then put them on trial for the things which he wills them to do, and then put them in either Heaven (to enjoy) or Hell (to suffer).

4. Disputable
The Qur'an does not withstand the test of time and scrutiny. People, especially in the 21st century, can dispute what is written in this book. It speaks about past history which was carefully choreographed by the reptilians/Illuminati. It speaks about the future in prophecies (which reptilians determined long ago) and it pretends to turn our right. It mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to humans at the time (but were known to the highly scientifically advanced reptilians; and later scientific discoveries prove that the Qur'an was right all along (because as said before, the reptilians had and still have advance scientific knowledge. Every other book needs to be revised to accord with modern knowledge (because the reptilians held back much true scientific knowledge from them).

5. Not your Roadmap for Life and Afterlife
The Qur'an is not the best guidebook on how to structure your life. Other books present such a comprehensive system involving all aspects of human life and endeavor. The Qur'an also does not point out the way to secure everlasting happiness in the afterlife. It is not your roadmap showing how to get to Paradise, which doesn’t exist anyway (especially not with all the virgins, young boys, non-alcoholic wine, fruit, etc).

6. Not God's Gift of Guidance
You were made by the reptilians for a reason. Although, they will not tell you they exist nor why they made you. They have manipulated us and enslaved us since they messed around with our DNA and created us. The Qur'an is from your evil reptilian Makers. It is for you to make sure you do not function for success, in case you are able function. It does not satisfy the soul, and impurifies the heart. It adds doubt and brings hatred, anger and war.

7. Not Your Calling Card to Communicate with some Lord
Humans are social creatures. We love to communicate with other intelligent life. But the Qur'an does not truly tell us how to communicate with the source of all intelligence and the source of all life, (if there is one). The Qur'an does not tell us who created us, by what name(s) we should address our creator(s), and the way in which to communicate with our creator(s).

[seek_the_truth]

THE KORAN IS CORRUPTABLE!
Some parts were lost, some modified, and some deleted

On the Day of Yamama not long after Muhammad's death, texts of the Qur'an that were said to have been known only to those who perished in the battle were irretrievably lost.

We also find many other instances in the historical record of the Qur'an text where individual verses and, at times, lengthy portions are said to have been omitted from it. There is, in fact, a virtually unanimous opinion among the early historians that the Qur'an, as it stands, is incomplete. Abdullah ibn Umar, in the earliest days of Islam, was quite emphatic about this:

It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none of you say 'I have acquired the whole of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur'an has disappeared? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.'" (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.524).

Ubayy ibn Ka'b is said to have recalled a time when Suratul-Ahzab (the thirty-third Surah) once was the same length as Suratul-Baqarah (the second Surah), which means it must have had at least two hundred verses not found in its text today (Al-Baihaqi, As-Sunan al-Kubra, Vol. 8, p.211). Significantly this missing section is said to have contained the verses commanding the death sentence for adulterers

There are further evidences of whole surahs said to be missing from the Qur'an as it is today. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, one of the early authorities on the Qur'an text and a companion of Muhammad, is reported to have said to the reciters of Basra:

We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust". ( Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, p.501).

Those Muslims who claim that the Qur'an is exactly the same today as it was when first delivered by Muhammad, nothing varied, added or omitted, have to reckon with such evidences that much is indeed missing from the standardised text. Some take the convenient and easy way out and simply declare such records to be fabricated, but others, more inclined to take them seriously, believe verses were abrogated.

Umar mentioned another missing verse which was once part of the kitabullah (viz. the Qur'an) which the earliest of Muhammad's companions used to recite, namely "O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief on your part to claim to be the offspring of other than your real father." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 8, p.540).

The doctrine of abrogation is constantly shown up as a weak explanation of the disappearance of certain texts from the Qur'an. A good example can be found in a further hadith which was widely reported and which stated that the Qur'an originally contained a law forbidding marriage between two people who had been breastfed by the same woman. The Tradition reads as follows:

A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that it had been revealed in the Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (saw) died and before that time it was found in the Qur'an. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, p.740).

It is clearly stated that the Qur'an had originally contained a verse prescribing a prohibition on the marriage of two people who had been breastfed by the same woman at least ten times. This verse was then abrogated and another was substituted for it, restricting the number to five. Where is this verse in the Qur'an? It too is missing - has it also been abrogated? If so, what came in its place? It is in traditions like these that the doctrine of abrogation is shown to be extremely vulnerable on closer analysis.

Abrogation is unacceptable, for it would render Allah very human indeed. We conclude that the statement about the completeness of the Qur'an cannot be maintained - and with that the argument of "nazil" i.e. that it came from heaven and complete as it is.

Zaid b. Thabit said: “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.” (Ahmad b. Ali b. Muhammad al ’Asqalani, ibn Hajar, Fath al Bari (13 vol., Cairo 1939, volume 9, page 9)

This passage too, is not in the Qur'an.

There is a tradition from 'A'isha, the prophet's wife, that a certain chapter which now consists of 73 verses once contained no less than 200; and that when Uthman compiled the Qur'an, the missing verses could not be found. One of them was called the verse of Stoning, and is said to have contained the order to stone a man or woman who had committed adultery.... This verse is said to have been part of the original Qur'an. Many early authorities say so, and what is very significant is that the first Caliphs punished adulterers by stoning; this is still the penalty prescribed in Muslim law-books, whereas the Qur'an (24:2) prescribed a hundred stripes." ("Islam" by A. Guillaume, p. 191).

Satanic verse

In Sura 53:19 we read 'Have you considered al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third other?' This was once followed by the words 'Verily they are the exalted maidens (gharaniq, also translated 'cranes') and their intercession is to be hoped for' ('is approved' in another version). Who were the three maidens? The three principle idols in the Ka'aba of pre-Islamic Mecca.

The polytheists of Mecca were delighted about this, for these words were those of the chant of the Quraish as they processed around the Ka'aba, but some Muslims doubted Muhammad left him.

The Qur'an has made a slight alteration and a significant omission to the first text: instead of saying By 'al Lat,' etc., it reads, 'Have you considered al-Lat', etc. and the sentence about the exalted maidens is dropped altogether.

So as you see, the Qur’an is corruptible. It is not what Muslims make people think. We are made to think that every single one of Muhammad’s so-called ‘revelations’ were nicely copied down and nicely compiled into a book. Nope. Some parts were lost, some modified, and some deleted.

And by the way, the reason why I apologise to Muslims if I offend them in my posts is because I do not hate those who call themselves ‘Muslims’. I hate Islam, Hinduism, Jainism and other mind-prisons, and I hate their so-called ‘prophets‘ who were either Illuminati slaves or fictional characters created by the Illuminati. I now see people beyond race, caste, nationality and religion. What I see is innocent good human beings who have been manipulated. Race, caste, nationality and religion is what reptilians want us human beings to be proud of and fight (and kill) over. We see this in Israel and Palestine, India and Pakistan, England and Northern Ireland, Russia and Chechnya, South Korea and North Korea, the West and the Muslim world, etc. The rivalry is all pointless. It’s stupid.

Simply forget about religion, don’t be proud of your nationality, don’t divide races into superior and inferior, etc. Reptilians want human beings to become undeterred Koran/Bible-bashers, racists, separatists, etc. There are only two real divisions - Humans and Reptilians. Every other rivalry is just stupid. :)

[thelucifer]

have been manipulated. Race, caste, nationality and religion is what reptilians want us human beings to be proud of and fight (and kill) over.

Simply forget about religion, don’t be proud of your nationality, don’t divide races into superior and inferior, etc. Reptilians want human beings to become undeterred Koran/Bible-bashers, racists, separatists, etc. There are only two real divisions - Humans and Reptilians. Every other rivalry is just stupid. :)

Yes
Divide and conquer, we have been divided and are being conquered, by the lowlifes at the top.

Ordo ab chao, carpe diem, is their song and dance.

[seek_the_truth]

The prophets of religions - Servants of reptilians or Schizophrenics? Or both?

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/img/pics/Quetzalcoatl1.jpg

This Aztec king or priest believed this Reptilian was a god

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_01/mosesDM0403_468x602.jpg

A winged ‘angel’ appeared from a burning bush and talked to Moses. Then ‘God’ spoke to him through the burning bush

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Annunciation.jpg/180px-Annunciation.jpg

‘Gabriel’ making the Annunciation to the Virgin Mary

http://guardiansatlaw.org/abraham1.jpg
Abraham stopped from cutting his own child’s throat

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/Jami_al-Tawarikh_Gabriel.jpg

Muhammad receiving ‘divine messages’ from an ‘angel’

The ‘prophets’ of all religions were born and raised in farms or deserts (a few were said to be born in palaces, but left everything behind to search for the ‘truth‘ in jungles and forests). Such people could be easily manipulated by highly intelligent life forms with knowledge of shape-shifting, holograms, etc. Not much happens in farms, jungles, and desserts. So flying objects, strange creatures, levitation, shape-shifting, etc., would seem ’godly’ to them.

Muhammad said he received ‘divine messages’ from ‘God’ through an ‘angel‘. It is said that Guru Nanak, founder of Sikhism, disappeared for three days. In the days he was missing, it is said he was with ‘God‘, receiving ‘divine knowledge‘.

Or maybe, the founders of religions were schizophrenics? They did claim to ‘see‘ and ‘hear’ ‘divine’ beings. Revelations or hallucinations?

Schizophrenics who commit murder say that the voices in their head told them to kill. Muhammad also said ‘Allah’ wanted him to wage Jihad and kill those who do not accept Islam. Abraham believed ‘God’ wanted him to sacrifice his son. But just when Abraham was about to slit his own child‘s throat, a ‘divine’ being then told him it was just a test. That’s one ‘revelation’ which came just in time.

Schizophrenics can also be suicidal because the voices in their head and hallucinations can be extremely frightening to them. Upon receiving his first ‘revelations’ Muhammad was deeply distressed and contemplated throwing himself off the top of a mountain but the ’angel’ moved closer and told him that he has been chosen as a messenger of ‘God‘. Moses had also been extremely terrified when a winged angel appeared from a burning bush. Then ‘God’ spoke to him through the burning bush.

Nowadays, a person who claims to see and hear ‘divine’ beings/objects would be thrown into a mental hospital.

The prophets of religions - Servants of reptilians or Schizophrenics? Or both? :)

[scooby85]

:D ur tame efforts.. almost cringeworthy, definitley sad.. and u wonder why people dont take u seriously

ps what your sources by the way? its not makeliesaboutislam.com or islamaphobe.com is it lol

[seek_the_truth]

Other notable errors in the Qur'an: :rolleyes:

More flip flops than John Kerry: The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]? Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

Allah can have a son. (Surah 39:4). Allah can't have a son. (Surah 6:101).

Face Mecca while praying. (Surah 2:115, 144). Face Jerusalem while praying. (Surah 2:115, 144).

What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [Sura 24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [Sura 4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone"

[Sura 4:16]. Sura 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4? :rolleyes:

[scooby85]

Other notable errors in the Qur'an: :rolleyes:

More flip flops than John Kerry: The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]? Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].

Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

Allah can have a son. (Surah 39:4). Allah can't have a son. (Surah 6:101).

Face Mecca while praying. (Surah 2:115, 144). Face Jerusalem while praying. (Surah 2:115, 144).

What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [Sura 24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [Sura 4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone"

[Sura 4:16]. Sura 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4? :rolleyes:

They are all right but uv just quoted little sentences. why not carry on?
Allah can have a son/he cant.. both correct..
39:4 IF god wanted to have a son, He could have chosen whomever He willed from among His creations. Be He glorified; He is GOD, the One, the Supreme- meaning he COULD IF he wanted to but having a son does not suit his majesty so he hasnt..

The evil of our life is.... satan influences us, we carry act out the action and 4:78 Bad things are consequences of our own deeds (42:30, 64:11), though God is the doer of everything in the end. (8:17).

Youve done a similar sort of thing with the rest.. pathetic attempt.. i dont even no why im wasting my time replying to.. feeble

[major seven]

:D ur tame efforts.. almost cringeworthy, definitley sad.. and u wonder why people dont take u seriously

ps what your sources by the way? its not makeliesaboutislam.com or islamaphobe.com is it lol


"Islamaphobe.com" :D

Hey Scooby
Just wondering and thought you might know.

If the Kaaba is considered like the center of the world and the Gate of Heaven is just above it and since Abraham theoretically rebuilt it with son Ishmael from the original shrine that a 90' tall Adam built before them, why did Mohamuud go all the way to Jerusalem on that horse donkey buraq thing and then from the Temple Mount leap up to heaven to chat with Allah who then told Mohamuud he wanted ya'll to pray to him 50 times a day?
50 times? What sort of diety requires that much praying to anyway?

Of course it was just a dream and all, but why not just leap streight up to heaven from Mecca?
Since it was just a dream, why build TWO dome mosques on THE number ONE holyiest site for the Jews?
Surely you guys must know that God commanded the Jews to build their Temple on that site where your TWO dome mosque things are now, Right?

Not that they would, since Mecca is pretty much in a big sand box, but how would you like it if the Jews went and built a Temple over your Kaaba?

Seems to me the main reason for the existence for those muslim domes in Jerusalem are just to piss off the Jews since they can't easily rebuild their Third Temple with them there, Right?
Don't you think that this could be like brother Ismael enacting some revenge toward brother Isaac for being the chosen son of Abraham and who fathered all the big name prophets and kings of yor?
Inheriting a sand box wouldn't be a bad motive for revenge, don't you think?

When you signed up to be a card carrying muslim, were you told that Ishmael was really the chosen son who has the real inheritance to Jerusalem because the Jews altered their bible to make it look like it was Isaac to be the chosen one?
The fate of the world rests on your answers. :)

FM7

[seek_the_truth]

MORE FLAWS IN THE KORAN
(on the request of Scooby85)

How Was Man Created?
Was man created from a blood clot as the verse below states?
(Koran 96:2)
Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood.

Or was man created from water as Mohammed has stated in the verses below?
(Koran 21:30)
...WE made EVERY (including man) living thing
from water...
(Koran 25:54)
It is He who has created man from water...

Or was man created from "sounding" clay?
(Koran 15:26)
He created man from sounding clay, from mud
moulded into shape...

Or was man created from dust?
(Koran 3:59)
...He created him from dust, then said to him
Be and he was.
(Koran 30:20)
Among His signs is this that he created you from
dust; and then- Behold, ye are men scattered
far and wide!

Or was man created from nothing?
(Koran 19:67)
But does not man call to mind that WE created
him before out of nothing.

Or was man actually created from earth?
(Koran 11:61)
...Ye have no other god but him. It is he who
hath created you from the earth and settled you
therein..

Or was it a drop of sperm that created man?
(Koran 16:4)
He has created man from a sperm-drop...

The Embryonic Development

So one claim of the Koran is that human beings are formed from a clot of blood
(Koran 23:14)
Then WE made the sperm into a clot of congealed
blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;
then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the
bones with flesh

This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It ignores to mention the female egg (the second and equally important half) and the process of fertilization when egg and sperm unite to form one new cell.

It mentions the obvious (the sperm), the visible, that which all mankind knew for a long time which is necessary to create a human. But the Koran does NOT mention the invisible (the female egg), which we know only through modern medicine. :rolleyes:

[scooby85]

MORE FLAWS IN THE KORAN
(on the request of Scooby85)

How Was Man Created?
Was man created from a blood clot as the verse below states?
(Koran 96:2)
Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood.

Or was man created from water as Mohammed has stated in the verses below?
(Koran 21:30)
...WE made EVERY (including man) living thing
from water...
(Koran 25:54)
It is He who has created man from water...

Or was man created from "sounding" clay?
(Koran 15:26)
He created man from sounding clay, from mud
moulded into shape...

Or was man created from dust?
(Koran 3:59)
...He created him from dust, then said to him
Be and he was.
(Koran 30:20)
Among His signs is this that he created you from
dust; and then- Behold, ye are men scattered
far and wide!

Or was man created from nothing?
(Koran 19:67)
But does not man call to mind that WE created
him before out of nothing.

Or was man actually created from earth?
(Koran 11:61)
...Ye have no other god but him. It is he who
hath created you from the earth and settled you
therein..

Or was it a drop of sperm that created man?
(Koran 16:4)
He has created man from a sperm-drop...

:rolleyes:

Sorry but im going to sound a bit rude here.. are u actually a retard?

Things u have stated how the heck are they flaws??

just because the quran mentions that a human was created out of more than one substance in different verses doesnt make it a flaw.. yes everything living is made out of water, yes we are made out of sperm, yes we are made out of a blood clot, yes we wre made from dust (meaning out of nothing) yes we were created from the earth (not mars) yes we were a nothing before a sperm..

come back with sumthing half decent then il chat about it, so far its been cringeworthy the stuff u come out with.. its blatently obvious u dislike islam and desperately trying to find flaws..

remember its the word of god, u will not find a single flaw, millions have tried no one has suceeded..

and major7 il get back to u on that sum other time.

[scooby85]

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[B](Koran 23:14)

It mentions the obvious (the sperm), the visible, that which all mankind knew for a long time which is necessary to create a human. But the Koran does NOT mention the invisible (the female egg), which we know only through modern medicine. :rolleyes:

ok, i can tell u of about 20 miracles in the quran from the top of my head, that mankind couldve NOT known 1400 years ago, so surely it must be from god??

so all of mankind knew what a sperm was 1400 years ago and also knew what it looked like? and muhammad also knew the stages of the embryo while it was still inside the womb? riiight

dont forget there wasnt ne microscopes in those days

u really have lost the plot my friend..

[seek_the_truth]

No, Scooby85, I am not a retard. And sorry also, I might sound a bit rude here, but are YOU a retard? Because like I’ve said before, you either ignore what I say or simply don’t understand. Your blind loyalty to Allah (a.k.a. fear of the unknown) causes you to be ignorant (as you keep demonstrating).

As I have explained before, our world’s past history was carefully choreographed by the reptilians/Illuminati. If the Koran speaks about the future in prophecies, then it merely a few plans revealed by the reptilians who were behind the Koran and had determined our future a long time ago.

If the Koran mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to humans at the time, they were certainly known to the highly scientifically advanced reptilians. Our pre-historic past was the reptilians’ far distant future. While we were in our primitive forms, these creatures already had a high level of experience and knowledge of mind-control, battle strategy, shape-shifting, interacting with different life forms, politics, DNA manipulation, holograms, advanced knowledge of aircrafts, etc. And I doubt we are the only race to have been manipulated throughout the ages.

It is not only Islam which I wish to target, but also other mind-prisons (if you've been paying attention, you'll note I have). I have only focused on Islam because no one else has bothered to or dared to expose it. I am anti- mind-prison, not anti-human. It is Islam which I dislike, not the humans who (foolishly) follow it.

I do not have a limited view of religion, it is you who has a limited view of reality. :)

[major seven]

No, Scooby85, I am not a retard. And sorry also, I might sound a bit rude here, but are YOU a retard? Because like I’ve said before, you either ignore what I say or simply don’t understand. Your blind loyalty to Allah (a.k.a. fear of the unknown) causes you to be ignorant (as you keep demonstrating).

As I have explained before, our world’s past history was carefully choreographed by the reptilians/Illuminati. If the Koran speaks about the future in prophecies, then it merely a few plans revealed by the reptilians who were behind the Koran and had determined our future a long time ago.

If the Koran mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to humans at the time, they were certainly known to the highly scientifically advanced reptilians. Our pre-historic past was the reptilians’ far distant future. While we were in our primitive forms, these creatures already had a high level of experience and knowledge of mind-control, battle strategy, shape-shifting, interacting with different life forms, politics, DNA manipulation, holograms, advanced knowledge of aircrafts, etc. And I doubt we are the only race to have been manipulated throughout the ages.

It is not only Islam which I wish to target, but also other mind-prisons (if you've been paying attention, you'll note I have). I have only focused on Islam because no one else has bothered to or dared to expose it. I am anti- mind-prison, not anti-human. It is Islam which I dislike, not the humans who (foolishly) follow it.

I do not have a limited view of religion, it is you who has a limited view of reality. :)


Hey There STT
Not to throw water on your parade, but you are about 1400 years too late.
Actually more like 4000 years if Abraham lived arouns 2000BC or so.
Gen.16:12 talking about Ishmael
"He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyones hand aginst him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
Did they get that one right or what?
Then again later in Gen.25:18 talking about Ishmaels 12 sons,
"His decendents settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers"
What we have here is one disfunction family needing some serious intervention by Dr. Phil, Eh What?
I suspect Mohamuud overhear the Jews talking about that and said,
"Wait! Thats US! We need to take our hostility to the rest of the world"
And so they did.
Its sort of ironic that even though Ishmael inherited a whole lot of sand, nobody knew what was underneath all that sand. They never really had to go out and conquer the world, did they?
Of course that all plays out just perfect for some interesting end game scenarios.
As you can tell by Scooby's replies, he has been assimilated into the Borg Collective. "We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated!"
What we have here now is 1.3 billion Scoobys, and some of Scooby's pals are currently whipping up some bad shit, so as noble as your attempts have been thus far, YOU saying everybody to quit your religions, hold hands and sing Kumbayah, are not going to stop whats coming, Right?

There is no appeasing a terrorist religion with a Hive mentality.
Even if the west allowed Israel to be obliterated off the face of the planet, do you think they will stop there?
Yeah Right!

FM7

[motegi]

I signed up here just to reply back to this nonsense I'm reading.

7 Reasons Not to Read the inglorious Qur'an

1. Imitable
The Koran is a recycled version of Jewish and Christian scriptures with some Arab thugishness thrown in, written fourteen hundred years ago. The Kitáb-i-Aqdas was written by Bahá'u'lláh, founder of the Baha’i faith (founded 19th century, Persia) and successfully imitates the Qur'an and even surpasses it.

The Qu'ran itself says the Jewish and Christian books were sent from God, however they have become corrupt and changed by man. If you think it "successfully imitates the Qur'an and even surpasses it" that's your opinion.
I would also like to say, alot of your posts are copied and pasted, and have already been answered from the sites you pasted from! ;)


2. Corruptible
It is the only religious writing that has been in circulation, totally because of fear, for such a long time and yet remains as impure as it was in the beginning. There were the Satanic verses, a group of apocryphal Qur'an verses that allowed for prayers of intercession to be made to three Pagan Meccan goddesses: Allat, Uzza, and Mana, but they were later removed. After that, the Qur'an was kept intact. Nothing was added to it, nothing was changed in it, and nothing was taken away from it ever since its revelation was completed 1400 hundred years ago, because its followers, most of whom were thuggish, were satisfied with what it contained.

Once again..Your opinion. The Qu'ran has not been changed since it was revealed. The marks were put in to help with pronounciation.

3. Surpassable
The Qur'an is not some God's final revelation to humankind. God never revealed the Torah to fictitious Moses, the Psalms to fictitious David, the Gospel to fictitious Jesus, and the reptilians were truly behind these scriptures and the reptilians were also behind Muhammad‘s Qur‘an. Other books can surpass the Qur’an, such as the Kitáb-i-Aqdas written by Bahá'u'lláh, founder of the Baha’i faith. The messengers of this new mind-prison founded in 19th century Persia, include Abraham, the Buddha, Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. No book has or will come from God, because if there is a God, he would not create the universe, and then want to contact a few individuals on planet Earth, have them write a book, have people worship him five times a day, starve themselves (fasting), kill people in religious wars (Jihad) and then put them on trial for the things which he wills them to do, and then put them in either Heaven (to enjoy) or Hell (to suffer).

Where do you paste this stuff from???? lol it doesn't make sense. Please read it properly before pasting it. This life IS a test/trial. Do good, recieve good. End of. How simple is this to understand? If you think that this life is it, and after that your food for the worms, then your life must be pretty worthless.

4. Disputable
The Qur'an does not withstand the test of time and scrutiny. People, especially in the 21st century, can dispute what is written in this book. It speaks about past history which was carefully choreographed by the reptilians/Illuminati. It speaks about the future in prophecies (which reptilians determined long ago) and it pretends to turn our right. It mentions details of physical phenomena which were not known to humans at the time (but were known to the highly scientifically advanced reptilians; and later scientific discoveries prove that the Qur'an was right all along (because as said before, the reptilians had and still have advance scientific knowledge. Every other book needs to be revised to accord with modern knowledge (because the reptilians held back much true scientific knowledge from them).

Your opinion...

5. Not your Roadmap for Life and Afterlife
The Qur'an is not the best guidebook on how to structure your life. Other books present such a comprehensive system involving all aspects of human life and endeavor. The Qur'an also does not point out the way to secure everlasting happiness in the afterlife. It is not your roadmap showing how to get to Paradise, which doesn’t exist anyway (especially not with all the virgins, young boys, non-alcoholic wine, fruit, etc).

It DOES tell you how to get to paradise. I'm guessing you have never read a copy.

6. Not God's Gift of Guidance
You were made by the reptilians for a reason. Although, they will not tell you they exist nor why they made you. They have manipulated us and enslaved us since they messed around with our DNA and created us. The Qur'an is from your evil reptilian Makers. It is for you to make sure you do not function for success, in case you are able function. It does not satisfy the soul, and impurifies the heart. It adds doubt and brings hatred, anger and war.

Your opinion


7. Not Your Calling Card to Communicate with some Lord
Humans are social creatures. We love to communicate with other intelligent life. But the Qur'an does not truly tell us how to communicate with the source of all intelligence and the source of all life, (if there is one). The Qur'an does not tell us who created us, by what name(s) we should address our creator(s), and the way in which to communicate with our creator(s).

Errrrmmm... Yes it does. Once again, I will ask you to read it.

[seek_the_truth]

Another misguided person trapped in the worst of all mind-prisons.

The truth will one day reveal itself, and I can say with certainty that you won't be the one laughing.

P.S. Most of what is written in my posts are mine. But Koranic verses and some notes regarding them were borrowed.

P.P.S I wouldn’t be surprised if you were an existing member who signed up as a new member because you didn’t want to reply as your original self.

[major seven]

[QUOTE=motegi;655731]I signed up here just to reply back to this nonsense I'm reading.


Hey Mo! Hows Everything?
Yeah! STT has a lot going on with the whole reptilian thing, don't he?
Just wondering!
Are you a born and bred Muslim? Or one of the converted ones from something else.
So far we have a Jew and Catholic convert on the premises as well as Saad our Pakistani along with our old buddy Scooby who just signed up because he thought you all were so cool and truthful and everything.
Also, are you of the Sunni or of the Shia persuasion?
Are you also a supporter of Sharia Law?
Are you a liberal, moderate or an extremist muslim?
Are you in favor of obliterating Israel off the face of the Earth?
Were you in favor of killing the Danish Cartoonists for making fun of your prophet?
How did you feel when the Twin Towers in NYC went down along with the passengers of four jet liners at the hands of your brother muslims?

MO says
The Qu'ran itself says the Jewish and Christian books were sent from God, however they have become corrupt and changed by man.

FM7
Who told you that? Your Imam?
Are you saying that it was Ishmael that was the true chosen son of God/Allah
who should have inherited the "Lad of Milk and Honey" as opposed to the land of sand because he was the first born son of Abraham? And that Abraham tried to sacrifice Ishmael before Issac was even born?
What is your proof?


MO says
Once again..Your opinion. The Qu'ran has not been changed since it was revealed. The marks were put in to help with pronounciation.


FM7
Of course it has. Mohamuud got a lot of the storys from the original Jewish Torah, then twisted them to suit his own purpose, including the idea of a monotheistic God whom he named after the head god of all the rock idols in the Kaaba, the Moon God Allah.


MO says
Where do you paste this stuff from????


FM7
I have no idea, but he does paste a lot, don't he?
You should see some of the pictures of your good muslim buddies doing good muslim stuff like half burying some poor gal before getting stoned to death?
And what is this fetish ya'll have with swords and heads and shit?


MO says
It DOES tell you how to get to paradise. I'm guessing you have never read a copy.


FM7
Ever wonder why the picture of paradise in the Kor'an is always like visiting a high class brothel? Not that I've ever visited one mind you, but certainly there is no shortage of virgins, is there? And wine? All the wine that you couldn't drink on earth they saved up for you in heaven.
Ever wonder why all muslims that kill innocent infidels or even muslims are told that is where they go to hang out with no less than than 72 virgins?
Ever wonder why it is always the young with the most raging hormones that do the killing? Can't wait to get to paradise, right?
Ever wonder why your pscho imams handing out this bullshit never strap on a bomb belt themselves including that Evil Cave Fuck and his Egyptian Sidekick?


FM7

[scooby85]

[QUOTE=motegi;655731]I signed up here just to reply back to this nonsense I'm reading.


Hey Mo! Hows Everything?
Yeah! STT has a lot going on with the whole reptilian thing, don't he?
Just wondering!
Are you a born and bred Muslim? Or one of the converted ones from something else.
So far we have a Jew and Catholic convert on the premises as well as Saad our Pakistani along with our old buddy Scooby who just signed up because he thought you all were so cool and truthful and everything.
Also, are you of the Sunni or of the Shia persuasion?
Are you also a supporter of Sharia Law?
Are you a liberal, moderate or an extremist muslim?
Are you in favor of obliterating Israel off the face of the Earth?
Were you in favor of killing the Danish Cartoonists for making fun of your prophet?
How did you feel when the Twin Towers in NYC went down along with the passengers of four jet liners at the hands of your brother muslims?

MO says
The Qu'ran itself says the Jewish and Christian books were sent from God, however they have become corrupt and changed by man.

FM7
Who told you that? Your Imam?
Are you saying that it was Ishmael that was the true chosen son of God/Allah
who should have inherited the "Lad of Milk and Honey" as opposed to the land of sand because he was the first born son of Abraham? And that Abraham tried to sacrifice Ishmael before Issac was even born?
What is your proof?


MO says
Once again..Your opinion. The Qu'ran has not been changed since it was revealed. The marks were put in to help with pronounciation.


FM7
Of course it has. Mohamuud got a lot of the storys from the original Jewish Torah, then twisted them to suit his own purpose, including the idea of a monotheistic God whom he named after the head god of all the rock idols in the Kaaba, the Moon God Allah.


MO says
Where do you paste this stuff from????


FM7
I have no idea, but he does paste a lot, don't he?
You should see some of the pictures of your good muslim buddies doing good muslim stuff like half burying some poor gal before getting stoned to death?
And what is this fetish ya'll have with swords and heads and shit?


MO says
It DOES tell you how to get to paradise. I'm guessing you have never read a copy.


FM7
Ever wonder why the picture of paradise in the Kor'an is always like visiting a high class brothel? Not that I've ever visited one mind you, but certainly there is no shortage of virgins, is there? And wine? All the wine that you couldn't drink on earth they saved up for you in heaven.
Ever wonder why all muslims that kill innocent infidels or even muslims are told that is where they go to hang out with no less than than 72 virgins?
Ever wonder why it is always the young with the most raging hormones that do the killing? Can't wait to get to paradise, right?
Ever wonder why your pscho imams handing out this bullshit never strap on a bomb belt themselves including that Evil Cave Fuck and his Egyptian Sidekick?


FM7

i will try and answer this for motegi...

'Also, are you of the Sunni or of the Shia persuasion? I dont personally label myself with one or the other im just a muslim.

Are you also a supporter of Sharia Law? Yes I am, with sharia law u wudnt have half there problems u are having now.

Are you a liberal, moderate or an extremist muslim? Again i dont wish to label myself with a tag, im just a muslim

Are you in favor of obliterating Israel off the face of the Earth? No who is? Dont say ahmadinejad you brainwashed muppet.. If you read the translation of his interview he said 'this zionist regime occupying jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time' how is that a bad thing??

Were you in favor of killing the Danish Cartoonists for making fun of your prophet? No, they should be warned that what they done is not acceptable and should not be done again as it is an insult.

How did you feel when the Twin Towers in NYC went down along with the passengers of four jet liners at the hands of your brother muslims?
WTF??? since when did 'muslims' bring down the twin towers?? Your an absolute cock, everyone knows it was inside job yet ur still banging on about how it was the muslim terrorists.. why the fuck u even on this site..

How did u feel when ur fellow country men and brothers invaded many innocent countries and killed innocent people in iraq/afghan/somlia etc?

and moon god? haha even tho in the quran it says do NOT worship the sun or the moon if u truly worship allah. just cos the islam 'symbol' is the moon and crecsent dont mean shite cos truly islam has no logo as such, that logo was established way after islam was found.

and i can tell ur one of those idiots who look on the web to find far fetched stuff about islam.. whats ur proof?

In pagan arabia they worshipped pagan idols like lat, manat, uzza etc they did this coz they thought they could get thru to allah/god thru these idols.

Look i dont mind answering your questions cos i know its the word of god so there can not be a single flaw with the religion but keep the bullshitting away, dont make up things and dont chat crap without any proof..

[major seven]

Scooby
i will try and answer this for motegi...


FM7
Hi Scooby!
Thanks for answering!

Scooby
'Also, are you of the Sunni or of the Shia persuasion? I dont personally label myself with one or the other im just a muslim.
Are you also a supporter of Sharia Law? Yes I am, with sharia law u wudnt have half there problems u are having now.


FM7
So which of the Sharia do you support

Hanbali, the most conservative like Saudi Arabia, Northern Nigeria
Hanifi, the most liberal as in most of Malaysia
Shafi'i, also conservative
Maliki, like the original from Mohamuud and Bukhari's time.

Your a fan of Bukhari, Right?
That would be considered conservative Sharia, Right?
In other words, you would favor a thief to getting chopped up using Islamic law standards as opposed to say a democracy's use of secular law and punishments, Right?
In other words, put the thief back on the streets, now missing body parts to go find a job for support or otherwise be usefull in his society.
Does Islamic health care provide for prosthetics for the missing body parts?
Since Sharia Law has been carving up people for 1400 years, do you suppose it actually works as a deterent?
Why are Islamic countries among the most econommicly depressed and backward countries on the planet?
If you took away the oil wealth from say Saudi Arabia or Iran or Iraq, what would be left? Afghanistan? Grow poppys for a living?
Would you care when the Taliban showed up with their version of Sharia Law?


Scooby
Are you a liberal, moderate or an extremist muslim? Again i dont wish to label myself with a tag, im just a muslim


FM7
So then you want to go with "Non-denominational Muslim"?
If you are a fan of Bukhari, you might be closer to a Sunni.
From what you have described so far, I might have to say you are somewhere between a moderate and extreme muslim.

Scooby
Are you in favor of obliterating Israel off the face of the Earth? No who is? Dont say ahmadinejad you brainwashed muppet.. If you read the translation of his interview he said 'this zionist regime occupying jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time' how is that a bad thing??


FM7
Funny you should mention "brainwashing"
From a Jordanian/Palestinian schoolbook from around 1998
"This religion(Islam) will destoy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters"
Or this one from a eighth grade Saudi textbook,
"The apes are the Jews, the people of the Sabbath, while the swine are the Christians, the indidels of the communion of Jesus.

Wow, Scooby! Is Islam just dripping with love and forgiveness for fellow human beings, or what?
Say! Whats the difference between a Christian/Jewish martyr and an Islamic one?
The Christian/Jewish martyr says, "I will die for what I believe"
The Muslim martyr says, "YOU will die for what I believe". :)

Well Scooby, The Jews have been on Mohamuuds hit list since day one.
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/jews.htm

Another example of Mohamuuds fine charachter and leadership for the new religion of peace and love and Allah's forgiveness.
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm

And here is history repeating itself.
In Spain around 920AD during the Islamic invasion, Cordova, Zorajoz and Merida burned to the ground, All adult males executed and all women and children enslaved.
In 1066AD Jews were all slaughtered in Grenada

From Sahih Bukhari Vol.4, Book 52, Number 176
"Allas's Apostle said, "You (muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying,"O' Abudullah (slave of Allah), there is a Jew behind me, so kill him."

From the same Bukhari, Number 179
"Allah's Apostle said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks, people with small eyes, red faces and flat noses. There faces will look like shields coated with leather. The hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair"

Pretty racist of good old MO, don't you think? What "hour" do you suppose he was talking about that needed to be "established"?
Mohamuud could certainly have been a leader in Hitler's SS or a Grand Mullah of the KKK.


Scooby
Were you in favor of killing the Danish Cartoonists for making fun of your prophet? No, they should be warned that what they done is not acceptable and should not be done again as it is an insult.


FM7
Is that because they weren't muslim cartoonists?
If they were Saudi cartoonists, its pretty certain that they would be dead cartoonists, right?
Since you are a semi-extreme Sharia supporter, perhaps you would support a cutting off of their drawing hand to send a proper message to future cartoonists to not insult your prophet.
Speaking of Saudi's and their sharia, a couple of friends I work with, a married couple, just came back from a business trip to Saudi Arabia. Of course the lady had to wear that black sheet thing with something like bug screen netting to look out from. But while they were there, they got invited to see an execution.
They declined!

Scooby
How did you feel when the Twin Towers in NYC went down along with the passengers of four jet liners at the hands of your brother muslims?
WTF??? since when did 'muslims' bring down the twin towers?? Your an absolute cock, everyone knows it was inside job yet ur still banging on about
how it was the muslim terrorists.. why the fuck u even on this site..


FM7
Right Scooby! I keep forgetting! It was Jehova Witnesses driving those airplanes. Or was it Budhist monks. No wait! It was the Italian Mob in New Jersey settling a blood feud with the Irish Mob in New York
I see! You don't consider the 9/11 guys to be true Muslims?
Not so Scooby.
According to history, they were being the perfect muslims that Mohamuud expected of his followers.
Hey! I love our President and his little miniature circus of evil clowns as much as the next guy. Nothing surprises me.

But Hey! Who else is running around saying crap like,

"Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down his Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet. Defeat the Jews and the Americans and bring victory over them." (A prayer from Sheik Ahmad Bakr, Speaker for the Palestinian Legislative Council)

Who else issued a Fatwa in 1998, read declaration of war?
Who tried to blow up the Towers previously?
Who did the nut job follow who packed his shoes with explosives?
All perfectly good muslims, Scooby, doing Allah's will as revealed by Allah's messenger,and expecting great rewards in Allah's brothels in heaven.

So you like conspiracy theories?
What do you think about the "Moon Landings." Were they faked by Nasa to fool the Commies?
Did the Illuminati kill Jimi Hendricks and Marilyn Monroe?


Scooby
How did u feel when ur fellow country men and brothers invaded many innocent countries and killed innocent people in iraq/afghan/somlia etc?


Fm7
Not so hot, Scooby!
I prefer to make love, not war. I much prefer peace and truth.
My govermnent tried to kill me off in Vietnam, so I've seen it all before.
Want to take a trip down memory lane with English Imperialism around the world?
So I take it you weren't one of thousands of muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. Cool! But can you answer for MO? Maybe he was.

Scooby
and moon god? haha even tho in the quran it says do NOT worship the sun or the moon if u truly worship allah. just cos the islam 'symbol' is the moon and crecsent dont mean shite cos truly islam has no logo as such, that logo was established way after islam was found.


FM7
So I take it you didn't watch that video posted by Kasalt.
If you did you might of seen the connection Islam has with the Roman Catholics and Freemasonry, ie the Illuminati. The crescent moon and star is all over both religions.
If your into conspiracy theories, you should check it out.


Scooby
and i can tell ur one of those idiots who look on the web to find far fetched stuff about islam.. whats ur proof?


FM7
LOL!!!
If you want the truth about Islam, Scooby, you ain't going to get it from a pro-islam site. They want you IN, son. Its not in their best interest to tell you about how Mohammud robbed caravans, slaughtered Jews, enslaved women and children, took a 1/5 of all "booty" for himself. Meanwhile making up all those surras claiming it was all OK, fine and dandy with Allah and even Allah's will.


Scooby
In pagan arabia they worshipped pagan idols like lat, manat, uzza etc they did this coz they thought they could get thru to allah/god thru these idols.


FM7
Right! But at least they were happy and not bothering anybody, except maybe another tribe that pissed them off. Bedouin tribes apparently got along OK with the Jewish tribes.
Nobody was saddling up their camels to go out and conquer the world, kill Jews and build mosques on other peoples holyist places.


Scooby
Look i dont mind answering your questions cos i know its the word of god so there can not be a single flaw with the religion but keep the bullshitting away, dont make up things and dont chat crap without any proof


FM7
OK! :)