I am a Freeman-on-the-Land. How May I help?

[the worm that turned]

Wow, my brain is now the sponge it once was as a child!!:D

Huge thanks for the info TWHT, I will be researching alot harder now.

So, to recap, it might be possible to only use my NI for taxation purposes, but still fight statutes/acts. After watching Rob's very cunning plan, and given time to compose myself after ROFL, the concept has struck a cord with me but not to the extent that I believe i could go "all out" and not exist in their system.


I hope i am not sounding too 'mixed-up' and seem to have crossed wires to anyone, forgive me if this is the case.

I am just desiring what is best for my soul, and not the man who oppresses this.

That is how I see it, but I could be wrong. The problem is, how can I be 100% certain that a bond is created in our name when our birth is registered. I am working on this and there is a thread called "Email to the Registrar General" that talks about this in more detail.

Please don't take my word for it as I am NOT a qualified lawyer and any info I give should not be construed as legal advice or acted upon without due consideration by you, or any others.

[aldrin]

I understand it has been given only as an opinion by yourself, and hasn't been misconstrued as legal advice.

Thanks again.

I want to also aim this (these) questions to Rob, who might shed some more light on this.

[miracles]

Im ready for it how do I get it? (I'm In New Zealand, are we able to be free here, were still under the crown?) I have just been forced to resign from working from a large city council for five years, they got rid of me for vigouroulsy campaigning for accountability and the good stewardship of the ratepayers money. Go figure. I feel free getting out of there, but looking at what you guys are talking about, I think that is just the start - bring it on guys, get me out of these freaken hand cuffs and legg Irons will ya?. Whose got the keys?? Hurray up!!

No one wants to help me? Excellent!! :(

[the worm that turned]

No one wants to help me? Excellent!! :(

I know this sounds cliche but you can only really help yourself in this one. It is the whole principle of Freeman. You take responsibility for your own actions 100%. The system works at the moment because the state sees you as a child and therefore it assumes that you need its help. Once you declare yourself a freeman and start acting as an adult (by understanding how the system works and taking responsibility for yourself) then you no longer need to be nannied by the state.

It is a big step to take though because you would be stepping out into a completely new world, but a Free one!

There is LOTS of information on this site but also on thinkfree.ca and tpuc.org plus many others I am sure.

[yozhik]

No one wants to help me? Excellent!! :(

Kia Ora miracles,

Look for the world freeman society, established by Rob, et al.
There is a New Zealand specific thread.
It's becoming more active and would welcome you with open arms, I am sure.
Some more kiwis to play with :)

Cheers.

[miracles]

I know this sounds cliche but you can only really help yourself in this one. It is the whole principle of Freeman. You take responsibility for your own actions 100%. The system works at the moment because the state sees you as a child and therefore it assumes that you need its help. Once you declare yourself a freeman and start acting as an adult (by understanding how the system works and taking responsibility for yourself) then you no longer need to be nannied by the state.

It is a big step to take though because you would be stepping out into a completely new world, but a Free one!

There is LOTS of information on this site but also on thinkfree.ca and tpuc.org plus many others I am sure.

Thanks - but I dont need your help. Im helping myself. And when Im Free, I wont tell anyone about it or how I got there because I don't want any other selfish prick ruining it for me. Just kidding, thanks for the links. I get your meaning.

[miracles]

Kia Ora miracles,

Look for the world freeman society, established by Rob, et al.
There is a New Zealand specific thread.
It's becoming more active and would welcome you with open arms, I am sure.
Some more kiwis to play with :)

Cheers.

Choice thanks bro. Kai kaha!.

[flyermay]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww54/flyermay/thelandofthefreecopy.jpg
Feel free to download and use

[chesterd]

From here:
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bondservant/personP.pdf


Rob, when you use the term human being......is it ok to use it, as its not defined in law dictionaries, and therefore the meaning cant be screwed with :confused:

This is what you're looking for.

human being See MONSTER.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)

monster A human being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal. A monster hath no inheritable blood, and cannot be heir to any land.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)

Peace Chester

[the worm that turned]

Rob - If you are there please can you help...

Is there a difference between a Bill and a Bill of Exchange?

Or to put it another way, are all Bills actually Bills of Exchange?

The reason I ask is because I was sent a letter called a "Council Tax Bill" by my local council (business) asking for 1280 of my money. If it is actually a Bill of Exchange, then they haven't met with the requirements of the Bill of Exchange Act 1882 in UK statute, because it isn't signed.

Perhaps I am missing the point completely, perhaps there are things called Bills but also things called Bills of Exchange!!

Please help (that goes for anyone else too).

Thanks - TWTT

[rob menard]

Not all bills are BOE's. (Bill of Lading) All BOE's are signed and if someone is demanding money from you, then the bill one should be served is a BOE.

[nectars]

So far only got to page 20 of this thread and working throught it, so I wasn't sure if anyone here had posted this link before or how useful you may find it.

http://www.zavvi.de/blackslaw/

Some interesting stuff in there :)

[alternative_answer]

So far only got to page 20 of this thread and working throught it, so I wasn't sure if anyone here had posted this link before or how useful you may find it.

http://www.zavvi.de/blackslaw/

Some interesting stuff in there :)

Nice one, bro!

[demise_of_time]

I'm really excited to learn more about all of this; hopefully someday soon I can start taking the proper steps to live my life as a free musician. Thanks for all the info guys; I'm on about page 10 or so, but I plan on reading everything.

And thank you Rob!

[merlincove]

like demise, i'm just learning my way thru freeman on the land pages, various sites.

Robert, i am half way thru one of your google vids, the grand deception two hour talk, and so far it is fascinating, thank you for being a catalyst for the opening of my eyes and mind. Your humour and your explinations are a breath of fresh air :D

Respect to you.

Two questions though, if i have a mortgage can i be a freeman and is there any hassle paying mortgages? Any links would be cool...

And as a freeman, you can choose any name, do you do this tru any regestry or simply by publishing your Declaration of Understanding, Intent and Clairm of RIght?

peace all

[tjohn]

So how did we allow the inmates to take control of the asylum?They're not inmates they are Pirates-of-the-sea - so how does someone like me become free? I live in a council house on pension credit and am forced to rely on the NHS for my health, which at the moment isn't all that good.

I know money is a con but how do I survive without it? So after all the work and taxes I paid I'm in debt, I'm not well and, well, starting to get on in years. I am trapped. How can I give up what the state provides? It really pisses me off living like this, yet I'm very pleased for those who are Freemen already.

At least I see some rays of hope for the world but it looks like I missed the boat - I mean bus (don't want much to do with the sea).

[tjohn]

HI! Robert-Arthur of the Menard family here. I am a Freeman-on-the-Land, amazing cook (I invented soup), awesome comedian (Before me there were no punchlines. I was like "There's something missing..."), and uniquely humble considering how amazing I truly am.

Been reading some posts here and decided to join and offer any assistance I can to those who are examining the Freeman concept and have questions regarding the process or outcome.

I will answer the questions I can as I can and reserve the right to disregard the posts of trolls or those clearly seeking conflict or confrontation.

Peace eh?
RobRob? Can you help such as me? Or is it again only going be the survival of the 'fittest'? Please clarify if you can.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=941003#post941003

[jahzel]

Bloody hell Rob, good to hear from you! Glad you took time to join here, you are the missing link that helps connect us all to hyperspace :)

[tjohn]

No one wants to help me? Excellent!! :( I know this sounds cliche but you can only really help yourself in this one. It is the whole principle of Freeman. You take responsibility for your own actions 100%. The system works at the moment because the state sees you as a child and therefore it assumes that you need its help. Once you declare yourself a freeman and start acting as an adult (by understanding how the system works and taking responsibility for yourself) then you no longer need to be nannied by the state.That's hard and it's not my idea of being human. So what are you saying then, that you are even unwilling to give advise (apart from pointing to websites that may or may not help)? I must have been under an illusion then, when I thought we are here to help each other.

In regard to the State viewing us as a child, that might just be what he wants to get away from but in the meantime, people are going to need help from humans. Listen, having some thought and compassion for others is not childish nor is someone asking for help when in need. But to be kinder to you, I guess it must have simply been a cop-out.

[tjohn]

Thing is, I do detect that because the State has kept us needing the State (as though we were a child), that some think we should coldly not bother helping each other - that to be free from the State, we have no real obligations towards each other - but as far as I am concerned nothing could be further from the truth and furthermore, it is my belief that the Freeman concept is only going to work if we are willing to help each other (even 'people') as much as we can.

(I John: of the Human Family, hope that the above sentence wasn't too long or confusing but what it means is that human compassion for each other is needed and if many of us don't see that this is true, the Freeman concept will fail because it will not be supported by enough people (yes I said people!) because they are not being treated as equal humans even by the Freeman movement)

Do we want a world that uses us for selfish gain and turns it's back on those in need? Or do we want to be humans whom recognise that we have a common humanity that cares for us all and needs to escape the inhuman enities that presently control (and murder) in the world?

It's really quite simple: have a heart - that cares about the welfare of others.

And to think I had to spell that out!

I feel sad. I'm very sad and not just because of what might become of me, but because we have the same old tale that seems to be founded on selfishness, which if is so, I know in my heart that it will not work because it cannot.

[rob menard]

Hi Tjohn,
Please do not take a lack of immediate response as a lack of heart. It is possible the people from whom you expect and seek help are busy,swamped overloaded trying to help others who have asked first. Using guilt to try and get to the front of the line also does not help. It consumes the energy and erodes desire to help in the first place.

You speak of a need for sharing and helping each other, and yet all I see you doing is asking for help, not offering it. I do see that freedom will come from a greater degree of respectful interdependence and not dependence on the government or complete independence thereof. The World Freeman Society is came together to help provide the foundation required so those who do want to get away from a 'dependence' mindset and develop an interdependence with other freedom lovers could do so. It is like a buffet has been prepared, and still some people cry out to be served. They refuse to get up and get their own, and then can't understand when they get fed pablum.

The remedy you seek is available to you, but you have to seize it. If others do not just give it to you, it is not them being heartless. It is in fact how the remedy is manifest. Can you teach a child to walk if you carry them every where?

You must also understand what it is like from the perspective of those from whom you seek help. Imagine walking down a sidewalk and you see some doggy poo under some leaves. You point out the stink-mine to someone passing and they ignore your words, and then when they step in it demand you clean their shoes. If you do not run and immediately get them out of the shit they stepped in which you tried to warn them against you labeled are heartless and uncaring.

You like everyone else have been invited to a cosmic party. Feel free to consider yourself a guest of honour. However, you still have to get up out of bed, get clean and dressed, find a gift and make your way to the party sharing a path with many others. No one can do these things for you, and my role is really limited to ringing them bells and extending the invitations.

I will tell you this, the hard part is getting out of bed. I have done my best so you awaken to the smell of coffee and toast and bacon. Do not ask me to now feed you in your bed.

Peace eh?
Rob

[jahzel]

How long before the establishment declares the Freeman movement 'terrorism'. I can see this happening sooner or later. I can see knuckleheads like Bill O Reilly and Sean Hannity labelling us as 'anti-Government radicals', 'extremists', 'home-grown terrorists', etc - even though it is entirely LAWFULL, non-violent, peaceful and pro-freedom and liberty. Sound's very al-Qaeda doesn't it?

[broccoligarden]

Hello,
Lots of people seem to be having trouble getting a Notary to sign their NOUCOR, but under Common Law the use of three witnesses is equal to that of a Notary. Am i missing something or why not just go down that road?

It is my understanding that the use of three witnesses comes from the days of Moses. It is in the bible, in court we swear on the bible, so there we go, can't be disputed!
???

Has anyone on this forum done this yet? or is there a reason i am not seeing, that is holding people back?
:) :) :)

[tjohn]

Hi Tjohn,
Please do not take a lack of immediate response as a lack of heart. It is possible the people from whom you expect and seek help are busy, swamped overloaded trying to help others who have asked first. Using guilt to try and get to the front of the line also does not help. It consumes the energy and erodes desire to help in the first place. You speak of a need for sharing and helping each other, and yet all I see you doing is asking for help, not offering it. I often go out of my way to help others but I don't know enough about this subject to help as much as I would like - I only discovered it about a week ago and I get tired. It wasn't a deliberate use of guilt and I wasn't thinking just about me but I said, such as me. It was a plea for those like myself who are not fit enough to take lots of stress and seemingly have little choice but to rely on the system. Is there a choice for such as myself and if not, all you have to do is say so.

I heard something about a bond which is worth about $35,300 (as estimated in 2007) which translates to £23,647 (British pounds).
http://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1069_economic.html
http://www.expedia.co.uk/pub/agent.dll

That isn't a lot of (their fake) money, when for instance, someone needs medical attention outside the NHS. Perhaps I could do a little work from home to contribute to your scheme but with medical problems, physical work is out of the question right now. Not trying to impose feelings of guilt, I'm just saying how it is for 'such' as myself and others.

I do see that freedom will come from a greater degree of respectful interdependence and not dependence on the government or complete independence thereof. I gather that if the Freeman concept is successful governments will fall, or at least fall from the way they are today. :-) Personally, I would like to see them go altogether but whatever, in my opinion it has to be world-wide and that is why to be effective, I suggested (on another thread) that we first build up millions of supporters and 'hit' them and the system all together at the same time.

The World Freeman Society is came (Sic) together to help provide the foundation required so those who do want to get away from a 'dependence' mindset and develop an interdependence with other freedom lovers could do so. I am glad you mentioned interdependence because I was getting a very different impression at times. Interdependence is fine, I scratch your back and you scratch mine, however suppose someone can't scratch your back (or theirs) are you going to let them die?

It is like a buffet has been prepared, and still some people cry out to be served. They refuse to get up and get their own, and then can't understand when they get fed pabulum. I rarely have a problem with fetching something for someone at a buffet who are not able to do it for themselves. If I can I do.

The remedy you seek is available to you, but you have to seize it. If others do not just give it to you, it is not them being heartless. It is in fact how the remedy is manifest. Can you teach a child to walk if you carry them every where? No but it's done by holding the child up for a while until he or she can walk unaided. I'm not asking you to do this personally but any child does need at least some help to learn to walk. The system has been a father figure (an abusive one at that) but if we are to do this we have to be brothers and sisters who are willing to help each other walk. Agree?

You say that there is a solution but I suspect there isn't for everyone, unless there is the infrastructure in place and compassion for those in need of help.

You must also understand what it is like from the perspective of those from whom you seek help. Imagine walking down a sidewalk and you see some doggy poo under some leaves. You point out the stink-mine to someone passing and they ignore your words, and then when they step in it demand you clean their shoes. If you do not run and immediately get them out of the shit they stepped in which you tried to warn them against you labelled are heartless and uncaring. Good illustration but not. If someone was about to step into some dog poo, I wouldn't say to them as some do, "Find out for yourself"!

You like everyone else have been invited to a cosmic party. Feel free to consider yourself a guest of honour. Why thank-you, I have always liked cosmic parties! Love 'em! Then at a cosmic party are we not all connected and equal? Think about it, because I'm very 'cosmic' and so are you and so is everyone else, if they only knew!

However, you still have to get up out of bed, get clean and dressed, find a gift and make your way to the party sharing a path with many others. No one can do these things for you, and my role is really limited to ringing them (Sic) bells and extending the invitations.Not really, Rob, mark my words, you can have an even greater role if you take it.

I will tell you this, the hard part is getting out of bed. Oh I know!

I have done my best so you awaken to the smell of coffee and toast and bacon. Do not ask me to now feed you in your bed. It's not so much not being awake. I ask is questions and that is what ask, but suppose I was literally bed-ridden (which I'm not for most of the time) would you feed 'such' as me then?

[demise_of_time]

How long before the establishment declares the Freeman movement 'terrorism'. I can see this happening sooner or later. I can see knuckleheads like Bill O Reilly and Sean Hannity labelling us as 'anti-Government radicals', 'extremists', 'home-grown terrorists', etc - even though it is entirely LAWFULL, non-violent, peaceful and pro-freedom and liberty. Sound's very al-Qaeda doesn't it?

This was actually my question, too.

[merlincove]

How long before the establishment declares the Freeman movement 'terrorism'. I can see this happening sooner or later. I can see knuckleheads like Bill O Reilly and Sean Hannity labelling us as 'anti-Government radicals', 'extremists', 'home-grown terrorists', etc - even though it is entirely LAWFULL, non-violent, peaceful and pro-freedom and liberty. Sound's very al-Qaeda doesn't it?

This was actually my question, too.

yeah, i think this too. There has been mention some place about a protest meet outside parliamnet, but the moment freemen hit the news there will be a very nasty backlash from the powers who still want to be and i recon the only reason why anti terror laws were created was to deal with a civil uprising such as the one we can see coming.

i don't in anyway want to jump on the scare-wagon, i recon we can all see the potential lies that the gvt will peddle to the masses. "We'll" be anarchists, people who want to destroy society, people intent on destroying democacy - but i think the powers that wish they were will be pissing into the wind, when this wheel starts turning it will be unstoppable :D

[private_eye]

I'm fascinated by this movement.

Just to summarise, what bills do you and don't you pay?

Does it affect you're choice of job?

And why do you choose to abide by Common Law?

(Please don't shoot me down for not already knowing the answers. I have watched John Harris on EMTV and seen the website but still quite unclear on it all)

[merlincove]

I'm fascinated by this movement.

Just to summarise, what bills do you and don't you pay?

Does it affect you're choice of job?

And why do you choose to abide by Common Law?

(Please don't shoot me down for not already knowing the answers. I have watched John Harris on EMTV and seen the website but still quite unclear on it all)

i don't think there are any bills that you 'have' to pay, if you are not contracted.

i wrote earlier about mortgages. Of course we are contracted to pay the mortgage every month, witnessed by a solicitor etc. And i haven't got an issue with that, but i'm still unsure how / whether / if freeman-ship status has any affect on having a mortgage and bank account.

So long as you have not signed a contract then there are no bills that are inforcable. If you pay gas / electricty by direct debit, then i would imagine that you have entered into a contract by giving the company your bank details. Or perhaps you entered into a contract when you opened an account with the company.

Loans etc are the same things, contracted agreements. Defaults and accounts transfered to debt collection agents / baliffs have no contractual agreement and therefore you have no legal requisite to pay them.

If you ignore their letters though, i think that that is in itself an acceptance of whatever the letter said. You will have to write and say that you do not agree with their letter and that you do not accept that you owe blah blah blah, and ask for proof of their claim. Which, most of the time, they will not be able to come back with. If you have not harmed them or caused them loss or miss-represented yourself then they have no lawful grounds against you. And in the case of debt agencies, you have not caused them a loss as they chose of their own will to buy an asset from someone (the debt) in the hope that you will refund it. If you have no contract saying that you would, then they can swing on.

Same for council tax, there is only statute that says you 'must' pay, no law. The council can not supply you with a bill and can not supply you with a contract, because neither exist. Don't use their refuse collection service or the police force and their tax is not applicable to you. Of course it'll go to the balif, and you can bang on about contracts etc and they'll just add their 'costs' and send it back to the council who'll apply for a court hearing. Keep asking them for a bill and for a contract, and say that you have no issue paying it if they can provide you with these things and be prepared to say the same to the judge. This is important, never say you are not going to pay it because then you are standing in opposition - when you are in opposition you are not equal, as all men are under God. You offered a mediation with the council and they refused, you have offered mediation in court, before the judge, you asked for a bill and they refused, you asked to see the contract that you signed and they can not supply one because there never was one. What can the judge do? You offered mediation, there is no loss to the prosecution, the prosecution has suffered no harm, you have broken no contract. End of. Be polite and curteous, keep asking questions, be civil and be above all none confrontational.

i'm only feeling my feet here also Private Eye, and hopefully if i'm wrong on a few points i'm open (of course) to correction from the lads who know....

repect all

[creamspyder]

[quote=tjohn;945703] .......... It was a plea for those like myself who are not fit enough to take lots of stress and seemingly have little choice but to rely on the system............."
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Is it not the very mind-set that you are in now that has created the current system as we know it?

It seems to me you are asking for a butterfly to be a frog??? Two different purposes, lifestyles.
(What is the point of drowning the butterfly, or tossing the frog through the air!)

Why, when the system you support is already in existence, do you want to conform the new idea to the 'same' constraints and flaws.

Surely the new ideas are to do with a different mind-set, different potential outcome?

You have got me thinking, this has posed a very interesting question in my opinion:

To what degree are any/all of us 'responsible' for our fellow humans care/well-being? By ORDER, on-demand, not, willing desire?

[merlincove]

[quote=tjohn;945703] .......... It was a plea for those like myself who are not fit enough to take lots of stress and seemingly have little choice but to rely on the system............."
==================

Is it not the very mind-set that you are in now that has created the current system as we know it?

It seems to me you are asking for a butterfly to be a frog??? Two different purposes, lifestyles.
(What is the point of drowning the butterfly, or tossing the frog through the air!)

Why, when the system you support is already in existence, do you want to conform the new idea to the 'same' constraints and flaws.

Surely the new ideas are to do with a different mind-set, different potential outcome?

You have got me thinking, this has posed a very interesting question in my opinion:

To what degree are any/all of us 'responsible' for our fellow humans care/well-being? By ORDER, on-demand, not, willing desire?

Yes, this is an issue that i wonder about also. I have friends who relly on the stste for a very basic lifestyle due to their incapacity. For those who suffer through mental or physical dissability the frreman movement must seem so very removed as they are so 'folded' in to the system, benefits and capabilities etc.

Within the common law we are all equal under god, which is interesting, because even though i can walk there are those who can not, so how then do we make the playing field level? Of course every man and woman are equal in essence, if not in physicality or mental capacity. If i choose a none compliance with the state i will lose certain things, certain 'privalages' - the right to vote, the right to pay taxes, the right to recieve benefits etc, all things that i can in freedom accept. But for those who have no way of working through dissability or whatever kind (though i am sure that we all know of at least one person who is claiming to be dissabled who is as fit as the next person) - the loss of benefit and the acceptance of freedom from a nanny state is perhaps a dream too far. So how do we support those who can not support themselves? An interesting point.

[biblegirl]

hello, excellent thread, here are my questions:

1. can you be a freeman on the seas?

2. I saw the lawful marriage requires only a ceremony, notice, and oath...what makes for a lawful divorce?

3. would it be easier to opt out your offspring by not applying for birth certificate and ssn when they are born? has anyone tried this?

4. has anyone successfully traveled internationally without a passport/gotten an invitation from a foreign consulate? or made there own passport?

5. how easy is it to make revisions to your noi? can you write them for your offspring?

p.s. if I can read a 78-page freeman thread from my mobile phone...I can do ANYTHING :p

[jalane]

Hello, I just stumbled upon this awesome, awesome movement. Does anyone know of a site that will give an overview and answer all the "common" questions?

- car insurance
- health insurance

etc.

I am sure that each time someone joins here they all ask the exact same questions. It must get tiring for those who answer all the questions over and over. I find it hard to find the nitty gritty answers online. Any resource suggestions?? Thanks guys!

[wakeupworld]

Hello this link may help, http://www.youtube.com/user/21stCenturyPolitix

[biblegirl]

hello Jalane, i believe the website thinkfree.ca is a good place to start, there are links on the left to free movies where you might find some answers ;)

[yozhik]

[QUOTE=creamspyder;948040]

Yes, this is an issue that i wonder about also. I have friends who relly on the stste for a very basic lifestyle due to their incapacity. For those who suffer through mental or physical dissability the frreman movement must seem so very removed as they are so 'folded' in to the system, benefits and capabilities etc.

Within the common law we are all equal under god, which is interesting, because even though i can walk there are those who can not, so how then do we make the playing field level? Of course every man and woman are equal in essence, if not in physicality or mental capacity. If i choose a none compliance with the state i will lose certain things, certain 'privalages' - the right to vote, the right to pay taxes, the right to recieve benefits etc, all things that i can in freedom accept. But for those who have no way of working through dissability or whatever kind (though i am sure that we all know of at least one person who is claiming to be dissabled who is as fit as the next person) - the loss of benefit and the acceptance of freedom from a nanny state is perhaps a dream too far. So how do we support those who can not support themselves? An interesting point.

We extend a compassionate hand of help.

Have we become so far removed from our emotions, morals and compassion as to believe the ONLY source of assistance comes from the state??

So, does it mean that without the state, we're incapable of helping a man or woman in a period of life less fortunate than our own??

Look ... give "us" control of the resources, of the "assets", of the land and of the buildings ... administer them for the good of the Freeman Society ... according to the principles discussed in this forum ... and there is NOTHING that we could not provide for ourselves in good faith, that is provided by the nanny state with treacherous hooks and poisoned barbs.

[merlincove]

Hello, I just stumbled upon this awesome, awesome movement. Does anyone know of a site that will give an overview and answer all the "common" questions?

- car insurance
- health insurance

etc.

I am sure that each time someone joins here they all ask the exact same questions. It must get tiring for those who answer all the questions over and over. I find it hard to find the nitty gritty answers online. Any resource suggestions?? Thanks guys!

also tpuc.org :cool:

[leafar]

This is obviously a long thread and i havent read it all so maybe some of my questions have already been answered, but here we go.

- Theres common law, and then theres this superimposed law that we have to consent to in order to be subject to it. Is there anything in common law that makes it unlawful to fool people into believing that they have to obey the superimposed law? Is it not against common law to at least make it totally clear whats going on?

- Common law is for the land, and the other law is for the sea. As long as we're on the land, arent we by default subject only to common law? If im in France and someone fools me into believing that im Germany, nothing changes the fact that im subject to the law of France, no matter how much im fooled, and it makes no difference where i came from. We're not in the sea, so why is UCC accepted on land? Isnt it completely irrelevant? Im aware of the birth canal idea, but once youre on land, thats it, youre subject to common law because land is where you are, arent you?

- When you become a freeman, do you do it by the way you deal with "them" (as each situation arises) or do you do it in one go, making you immune to all of UCC? If you become a freeman, would you then be subject to UCC again if you decided to go along with it, or would your status make you immune always?

- Even if youre a freeman, dont you constantly have to live your life justifying why you dont have to obey a whole bunch of "laws"? If you do, isnt that a massive inconvenience to you? I would hate to always have to explain myself.

- What are the basics of common law? Loss, harm, injury? Isnt it a major loss to live ones life thinking that youre subject to "laws" by deafult?

[ghostdogg]

because of the fact that you're born out of water , thats why you're considerd beiing a produkt of the sea ... the place you're at doesn't make any difference to the fact that you're still a produkt out of the water ... the common law is that law that is applicated to individuals who don't engage themselfs under " sealaw - activity " ... so it is of no importance where you are but what you're considering yourself to be : a produkt of water , falling under " admirality " or an individual , following the " common law " ... becoming a free man is in my opinion a matter of proof that ucc can be applicated on you ( as a individal ) proven by those who claim that authority over you ...
i am as well not so far in the proces but , what i've learned by now is that it is best that you let authority do most of the work , by prooving and informing you exactly with statute-laws , that they are acting legal in what they want from you ... keeping them bizzy , buys time and knowledge and you're staying in honor by not refusing and resisting any of their demands or so called " obligations " and when the information is given , pissing them off with your interpretation of their laws ... you have the right under common law to be informed by you're government ... so you can fool around with them until they get tired ... you're right to be informed is the tool to victory ...
( exuse my crappy english )

peace :):):)

[pdcdp]

hello, excellent thread, here are my questions:

1. can you be a freeman on the seas?


i love that... hahahhaaaaa!!! :D

[jalane]

Thanks guys! Good stuff...my eyes are sore from too much reading, but they like it;)

[private_eye]

Thanks so much for your response.

So I have read that the only bills that must be paid are ones to which a contract has been signed.

My other questions are:

- Why do you decide to abide by Common Law but not Statute?
- does this affect your job and banking, and access to social security, council services and voting? How would an employer react if you didn't pay tax? Can you rent a property?

Regards

[girlgye]

Hello,
Lots of people seem to be having trouble getting a Notary to sign their NOUCOR, but under Common Law the use of three witnesses is equal to that of a Notary. Am i missing something or why not just go down that road?

It is my understanding that the use of three witnesses comes from the days of Moses. It is in the bible, in court we swear on the bible, so there we go, can't be disputed!
???

Has anyone on this forum done this yet? or is there a reason i am not seeing, that is holding people back?
:) :) :)


I've done this and they seem to be totally ignoring my paperwork. One was by a Solicitor! So I have to go to a Notary. I have found one. How long that will last till he is nobbled I can't say. I'm gathering my docs together so that I can pay for them all at once before he changes his mind. I hate doing it that way because you can be sure there will be something I have left out. I'm not sure of this public/private thing. To me it's just bullshit. It's really an excuse to say I don't recognise your paper work. That is unlawful. It seems we are just playing ping pong now in our courts .

[private_eye]

Thanks so much for your response.

So I have read that the only bills that must be paid are ones to which a contract has been signed.

My other questions are:

- Why do you decide to abide by Common Law but not Statute?
- does this affect your job and banking, and access to social security, council services and voting? How would an employer react if you didn't pay tax? Can you rent a property?

Regards

Also, as soon as you stop paying council tax, I guess your credit rating suffers badly?

[koolair]

In Canada, I would just use a private two party contract that releases them of liability to collect and pass on the taxes and payments. By claiming the right to administer our own affairs we tell them that we will remit the taxes and pension payments as they are required. What we don't tell them, cause it isn't their business, is that we will be engaging in an activity that will release us from those obligations.

Dear Rob,

I am about to negotiate contract terms and conditions with my current employer. My direct boss said he thinks the company would need a gst number from me. My understanding of the gst number is that it is something a buyer of a product or service likes to provide to get them exempt from paying the gst. I used to be a supplier, and contractors would always provide this, but they are not obligated to (as a result, they'd have to pay gst to me the supplier).

Now that I am the service provider, if anyone owes a gst number, wouldn't it be the company? Since they are now the payer of services, they'd like to be gst exempt.

It would be great if I could get my hands on something that outlines how to structure a private two party contract between a man and a corporation.

Any help would be awesome!

Thanks,

[rob menard]

First define what it is you want to achieve.
Define it as completely and fully as you can.
Sit and make a list and get back to me when you have done so.
Rob

[koolair]

First define what it is you want to achieve.
Define it as completely and fully as you can.
Sit and make a list and get back to me when you have done so.
Rob

Thanks for responding! I don't know exactly what I want...some ideas though:

Whatever the terms, I would like to receive payment in gold and silver coin (or one ounce bars). I looked into the gold clause as it relates to the Americans, and eventually discovered that all Anglo-Saxon countries have a gold clause in their constitutions. There are ones that appears to apply to Nova Scotia (http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/legc/statutes/gold.htm) and Manitoba (http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/g060e.php), but I haven't seen one for Ontario. I sense that it can be invoked upon. However, with or without a gold clause I believe I have the right to request payment in whatever form, and should the other party agree, it can be lawfully and legally used as a medium of exchange.

I realize the constitutions may be nothing more than a CON, but it's in the founders' own writing that (in the states) "No state shall make any thing but gold and silver coin as tender in payment of debt" - Art. 1 Sec 10 US constitution.

I also sense that there may be hesitation on the part of my client to pay in gold or silver coin, so I anticipate offering services in exchange for CAD, then post an alternate offer in exchange for gold/silver coin.

The rest of the terms and conditions can be ironed out but after careful consideration, I feel that no common Law freeman would be complete without dealing in Just Weights and Balances pursuant to God's Laws.

[koolair]

Wow, I can't believe NO ONE responded to this. Well, that's not true, I reposted this message under another thread and one person did respond.

[rob menard]

I can't believe you consider me to be NO ONE.
First step is to define that. Once done, you educate yourself till you see the path and can defend your reality.
Then you include your employer in the service of the documents and invite them to a discussion and negotiation and make sure they know that you are claiming your rights. By this I mean you show them you have the balls to make claims against the government and you strive to educate them.

You could in fact show them something they may find very valuable and certainly being aware of the Freeman movement will never harm them and may help position them for the better when this all unfolds.

You could come out a hero and earn their respect depending on how you do what you do and what it is you try to do.

Hope that helps.

Rob

[koolair]

I can't believe you consider me to be NO ONE.
First step is to define that. Once done, you educate yourself till you see the path and can defend your reality.
Then you include your employer in the service of the documents and invite them to a discussion and negotiation and make sure they know that you are claiming your rights. By this I mean you show them you have the balls to make claims against the government and you strive to educate them.

You could in fact show them something they may find very valuable and certainly being aware of the Freeman movement will never harm them and may help position them for the better when this all unfolds.

You could come out a hero and earn their respect depending on how you do what you do and what it is you try to do.

Hope that helps.

Rob


Absolutely, that was very helpful, and thank-you for your response. Sorry about my impatience.

BTW, how does a corporation benefit from hiring a freeman contractor?

I have been talking to the Royal Canadian Mint. The lady answering the phone in customer service sounded a bit excited when answering my question about the Canadian Maple Leaf coins being legal tender. I suspected this already, but needed to hear it from "the horses mouth". I wrote to their legal department and hopefully they respond in writing. Or perhaps it's indicated somewhere on their website. For now, I accept it as a given.

Given that the coin is legal tender, if I offer to perform in exchange for $50 in gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins, then the one ounce coin I receive in payment should be considered a $50 "income". I went to the CRA with this issue, and got bounced around. Finally, someone answered, who after passing it on to his supervisor, returned and said if I write in the contract the consideration to be $50 in gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins, then the reportable amount is $50. He hesitated in elaborating further, instead referring me to his supervisor, who then referred me to their auditing department where all the accountants and legal guys hang out. I ran out of time, so I told them I'd deal with it later. But I believe the man I spoke with was suggesting that the reporting requirements do not make any distinction between:

paper Bank of Canada notes
gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins

It sounded like it didn't matter since both were legal tender. I will have to further research this out. I will also need to find out how a corporation deals with coin purchases made with Bank notes. Do they get to write off the amount as a tax deduction? I think it's important to find this out too since I need to point out incentives to a corporation for switching to gold coin.

[biblegirl]

Absolutely, that was very helpful, and thank-you for your response. Sorry about my impatience.

BTW, how does a corporation benefit from hiring a freeman contractor?

I have been talking to the Royal Canadian Mint. The lady answering the phone in customer service sounded a bit excited when answering my question about the Canadian Maple Leaf coins being legal tender. I suspected this already, but needed to hear it from "the horses mouth". I wrote to their legal department and hopefully they respond in writing. Or perhaps it's indicated somewhere on their website. For now, I accept it as a given.

Given that the coin is legal tender, if I offer to perform in exchange for $50 in gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins, then the one ounce coin I receive in payment should be considered a $50 "income". I went to the CRA with this issue, and got bounced around. Finally, someone answered, who after passing it on to his supervisor, returned and said if I write in the contract the consideration to be $50 in gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins, then the reportable amount is $50. He hesitated in elaborating further, instead referring me to his supervisor, who then referred me to their auditing department where all the accountants and legal guys hang out. I ran out of time, so I told them I'd deal with it later. But I believe the man I spoke with was suggesting that the reporting requirements do not make any distinction between:

paper Bank of Canada notes
gold Canadian Maple Leaf coins

It sounded like it didn't matter since both were legal tender. I will have to further research this out. I will also need to find out how a corporation deals with coin purchases made with Bank notes. Do they get to write off the amount as a tax deduction? I think it's important to find this out too since I need to point out incentives to a corporation for switching to gold coin.

great information koolair, thanks for the update :)

[koolair]

I can't believe you consider me to be NO ONE.
First step is to define that. Once done, you educate yourself till you see the path and can defend your reality.


I'm a little embarrassed. It's not that I feel I should have been treated as if I were a SOMEBODY, but rather the topic of gold and silver is in my observation, vital to a freeman. It's vital because it financially removes us from participating in credit, paper, and all sorts of other things that give power to the "architects" of civilization.

Anyhow, if you want to know more about the history, uses, and significance of gold and silver coin, look up George Gordon (http://library.georgegordon.com/). search through his audio library for the lectures on this subject. His whole library is full of fascinating subjects to be honest.

These days I find myself referring people (who are interested) to both George Gordon and Robert Menard. These two guys need to get together!

Enjoy!

[parousia555]

I'm a little new at this, could u contact me at Parousia555@yahoo.com

At that time I will lay my cards on the table, for I otherwise see a lot of nonsense being talked in here

I

[yozhik]

Lay them out here ...

Its not as if 'parousia555' identifies you.
If you can identify the nonsense; share the clarity of vision.
Thats what an open forum is for - the exchanging of ideas and opinions.

[breakmychains]

Dude I don't know if this is really you but if this is you I wanted you to know that I am a huge fan of yours. First I just wanted to say thanks to you and all the others like you for being so diligent, I stumbled across your site after reading mary crofts book with the really long title "how I clobbered the freakin world" haha I love mary too. You guys are all so awsome. So a very humble thanx to all of you. Anyhow im from toronto area, and my girlfriend and a few other friends are trying to grasp this freeman concept. Basically I know the basics i just dont have the confidence to go ahead. My parents who are close to retirment think im freakin nutz. I'm trying to describe what im reading to people and they reject it. its like they want to defend the system of slavery that they know for sooo long. help me dood is there any freeman groups in the greater toronto area, where we can get some support. and are you comming to toronto sometime, please let me know ill have a 24 waiting for you brother. please respond asap. email me if you can even better. mark.duarte@yahoo.ca. peace!!

[dolores1]

Jeez,

Would'nt you know I read through the whole thread, hours before I checked the date!!

But thanks guys it's been a great help on the whole.

I had things to say, eg, my FOTL 19.08.09 etc. I sent Tien An a copy.

Acts of parliament 1666 - City of (OFF) London - Ceste que vie? OK we're dead! Legally!
Sorry if the spelling is wrong; my French is crap.

But I was away for a while, ill. Just back from Egypt where I found a book " Historical Deception" "The untold Story Of Ancient Egypt". By Moustafa Gardalla. Baset Publishing Erie, Pa, USA. / Cairo, Egypt.
PO Box 7234, Erie, PA 16510 USA Published 1996. email: ushorus@aol.com

And oh, boy, is this a real eye-opener on how this whole enslavement started. Set -Satan and more. Brilliant book.

It goes back thousand of years. Oh yes and it continues through the Zionist, Bankster, Lawers.

P.S. Girlgye if you are reading this, I still can't find how to claim my BOND? Help please? I am still fairly fragile.

To Rob, I wish I had found your opinions years ago, but I now know who I am: I AM ME.

Ta and love to all. Tien An, I send my love to your little daughter. I hope your family are all well?

Dolores.

[death]

I must share as I am in a flame war on a couple message boards which through the use of language and a bit of legal education, some sourced from Rob, have annihilated these poor fools bound by an ignorance imposed upon them by the deceivers.

A long story short, I entered a contest.
In doing such, I entered a contract with specific terms, policies and restrictions. In doing such, it's also a transaction of a security interest because of the obligation to make a tangible exchange or perform.

While I suppose designing a tangible item in exchange for entry to the contest could be debated as whether it's an exchange of performance or a tangible, here's the bottom line.

The words were stated, unique design within the construction capabilities of the company. Meanwhile, all anybody entered were stock designs with a unique cosmetic paint job. So here I am designing a new instrument in schematic format with some engineering advancements, some being improvements of current engineering, others solely unique, and apparently everyone thinks I misunderstood the contest!

The good news is, I greatly held back.
No where in the contract did I see a clause stating my design became soul property of the company and I abandoned all claim of rights to ownership but regardless, I handed over 1 structural design that is unique. Fortunately I didn't include the devices I've invented as I learned a hard lesson in the past and had one stolen by a major commercial company who I cleverly got the patent holder's name from.
There's no use in accusing or confronting but, it was important having the name of the man who I know in my heart, stole from me or more likely, was the one foolish enough from the group to take the responsibility on a formal level.

Lesson learned but I do thank you Rob for giving me what was essentially the only, and truly, most important piece of the puzzle I was missing for a very long time when dealing with the legalities of life in a commonwealth.
The linguistics of law!
Understanding was never enough. Utilizing this language for your own needs and benefit is truly liberating. We can only hope that one day, these deceptive "people" will respect our use of their irresponsible terms and policies.

So....how about that Barack Obama!

[steven1]

Maybe Im missing something , but what was the outcome?
It seems a little vague

mob renard*

[death]

The outcome is that the winner cheated and we've yet to hear if he will lose his claim of right as winner. Now obviously if someone wanted to be a real idiot, they could hold the contest holders to the regulations they specify which I'm sure there wasn't a clause stating they're permitted to change at any time.

My grief is, I laid a couple structural designs of my own invention on the line and could have risked a lot more. I'm a very honest direct person so when someone you respect and admire is deceptive, it's very disappointing and my admiration is very very rare.

Based on the contract of the contest, I viewed this as an opportunity rather than a chance, one time winning.
Hopefully my words make an impact because we're all not stumbling through life with our head in the clouds and my expectations were not unfounded assumptions. Most people don't grasp the integral structure of something as "simple" as a contest. Not everyone is stupid and, not everyone has opportunity in this world.
Do these people doing well get that yet??
That's the ultimate outcome I seek at this point.

[steven1]

You sound like a sore loser to me.

mob renard*

[swiftex]

HI! Robert-Arthur of the Menard family here. I am a Freeman-on-the-Land, amazing cook (I invented soup), awesome comedian (Before me there were no punchlines. I was like "There's something missing..."), and uniquely humble considering how amazing I truly am.

Been reading some posts here and decided to join and offer any assistance I can to those who are examining the Freeman concept and have questions regarding the process or outcome.

I will answer the questions I can as I can and reserve the right to disregard the posts of trolls or those clearly seeking conflict or confrontation.

Peace eh?
Rob


Mr. Menard, this is a wonderful gesture on your part and would like to say Thank You!

[lord bob haulk]

That is likley my fault.
I am a HUGE sh*t disturber.

Rob

PS- Surreptitiously placing 20 boxes of condoms in an old ladies shopping basket is fun, educational, and may result in you getting brownies.

just reading this thread and i liked this. Especially since he who must not be questioned,likes a drink,admits to wearing a hat and who's not claimed his bond recently said he cleans out septic tanks.

[united hemp]

here in nova scotia the round up of freemen has begun.
alan and john of the spencely family-atlantic freemen
in prison till court date/
dean of the simpson family
court.
says claim of right 1st yr lawstudent could take it apart.
and the rcmp raided me may 7th.
working and living next door to rick simpson is not with out cost.
motion for dismissal dean tabled under claim of right.
denied....all notices ignored.
no discussion...etc
how free is free
freemen in nova scotia
hunted........
but not going on our knees
freemen and hemp medicine hand and hand.
genocide and crimes against humanity.

rob did you call doug shattford yet
still waiting to file complaint with c3po

if canada reconizes hemp as a medicine and if one canadian is allowed hemp then we all have the right to use it as medicine.....dont we....
show me the love

[ignoranto_bliss]

Rob didnt call doug shattford cause its a piece of paper of course :rolleyes:

[vladmir]

Rob didnt call doug shattford cause its a piece of paper of course :rolleyes:
U dont have the basic understanding of what you are talking against,
and using your own ignorance to harass members is something that goes against proper etiquette.
Doug Shattford as a legal entity, the one that does commerce, exists LEGALLY on a piece OR PIECES of paper.
Doug Shattford is not "a piece of paper".
I hope you are following me.
In common parlance, day to day affairs, with friends, if someone calls out "Doug", then the consciousness can answer "yes, what can i do for you".

If a process server asks the man "doug shattford?", then Doug can say "Who is asking?". Then "I am the authorized representative of doug shattford, can i help you?"

[ignoranto_bliss]

U dont have the basic understanding of what you are talking against,
and using your own ignorance to harass members is something that goes against proper etiquette.
Doug Shattford as a legal entity, the one that does commerce, exists LEGALLY on a piece OR PIECES of paper.
Doug Shattford is not "a piece of paper".
I hope you are following me.
In common parlance, day to day affairs, with friends, if someone calls out "Doug", then the consciousness can answer "yes, what can i do for you".

If a process server asks the man "doug shattford?", then Doug can say "Who is asking?". Then "I am the authorized representative of doug shattford, can i help you?"

:) mate i studied FMOTL at Youtube University just like you :cool: dont worry im cool

[jzitoun]

Hey Guys

This forum is unbelievable and I just wanted to get some feedback on this issue I was having. The reason I have interest in this topic is I have had a sovereign man come into my life. I am a real estate agent down in Dallas , Tx. I had a sovereign man introduced to me who is trying to buy property through me and is claiming that he has an account at the US treasury (because he has denounced? his US citizenship and now is entitled to the bond placed over his head by the government. He is claiming he has access to this account. Anyways I was really hoping to get some feedback on this issue from you because I am as confused as everyone involved, including the seller, and the title company who is not sure what all of this is. The title company called me and said that the man filed paperwork with treasury or secretary of state, and the title company guy is a 60 something year old attorney who has never seen this in his life. When I called the buyer (the sovereign citizen) he was laughing pretty hard because he thought it was funny that a man of this prominence had never done a transaction like this. I dont know what to think. The property value is no small penny. Please let me know and any response would be great.

[ipso facto]

Hey Guys

This forum is unbelievable and I just wanted to get some feedback on this issue I was having. The reason I have interest in this topic is I have had a sovereign man come into my life. I am a real estate agent down in Dallas , Tx. I had a sovereign man introduced to me who is trying to buy property through me and is claiming that he has an account at the US treasury (because he has denounced? his US citizenship and now is entitled to the bond placed over his head by the government. He is claiming he has access to this account. Anyways I was really hoping to get some feedback on this issue from you because I am as confused as everyone involved, including the seller, and the title company who is not sure what all of this is. The title company called me and said that the man filed paperwork with treasury or secretary of state, and the title company guy is a 60 something year old attorney who has never seen this in his life. When I called the buyer (the sovereign citizen) he was laughing pretty hard because he thought it was funny that a man of this prominence had never done a transaction like this. I dont know what to think. The property value is no small penny. Please let me know and any response would be great.

It's a load of old rubbish - there is no bond and I would tell him that you will be contacting the US Treasury to clarify the point and if it were me I'd report it to the police also because he is essentially is trying to obtain property by deception. Surely you would verify everything before you sold a property anyway. :confused:

[daxo]

here in nova scotia the round up of freemen has begun.
alan and john of the spencely family-atlantic freemen
in prison till court date/
dean of the simpson family
court.
says claim of right 1st yr lawstudent could take it apart.
and the rcmp raided me may 7th.
working and living next door to rick simpson is not with out cost.
motion for dismissal dean tabled under claim of right.
denied....all notices ignored.
no discussion...etc
how free is free
freemen in nova scotia
hunted........
but not going on our knees
freemen and hemp medicine hand and hand.
genocide and crimes against humanity.

rob did you call doug shattford yet
still waiting to file complaint with c3po

if canada reconizes hemp as a medicine and if one canadian is allowed hemp then we all have the right to use it as medicine.....dont we....
show me the love

You guys had a choice: follow the laws or be subject to the penalties. Time to take your lumps for the choices you made.

[bones]

It's a load of old rubbish - there is no bond and I would tell him that you will be contacting the US Treasury to clarify the point and if it were me I'd report it to the police also because he is essentially is trying to obtain property by deception. Surely you would verify everything before you sold a property anyway. :confused:

why would he listen to you? let the man find his own path.

if theres a bond good luck in finding it....

[bones]

You guys had a choice: follow the laws or be subject to the penalties. Time to take your lumps for the choices you made.


wanting to be freeier is subject to imprisionment. what a great free world we live on.

maybe you see why we dont want the shit you love so much anymore?

[steven1]

Hey Guys

This forum is unbelievable and I just wanted to get some feedback on this issue I was having. The reason I have interest in this topic is I have had a sovereign man come into my life. I am a real estate agent down in Dallas , Tx. I had a sovereign man introduced to me who is trying to buy property through me and is claiming that he has an account at the US treasury (because he has denounced? his US citizenship and now is entitled to the bond placed over his head by the government. He is claiming he has access to this account. Anyways I was really hoping to get some feedback on this issue from you because I am as confused as everyone involved, including the seller, and the title company who is not sure what all of this is. The title company called me and said that the man filed paperwork with treasury or secretary of state, and the title company guy is a 60 something year old attorney who has never seen this in his life. When I called the buyer (the sovereign citizen) he was laughing pretty hard because he thought it was funny that a man of this prominence had never done a transaction like this. I dont know what to think. The property value is no small penny. Please let me know and any response would be great.

Reported as SPAM
also posted here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131103

[lesactive]

Reported as SPAM
also posted here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131103

spam (spm)
n.
Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.
tr.v. spammed, spam·ming, spams
1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

Just so you'll know, for future reference. Wouldn't want you to make a fool of yourself.

[bones]

Just so you'll know, for future reference. Wouldn't want you to make a fool of yourself.

past that already.;)

[steven1]

Its the "commercial nature" that i was indicating.
Its Rob under another name (Again) or one of his cronies from WFS touting for business.

[lesactive]

Its the "commercial nature" that i was indicating.
Its Rob under another name (Again) or one of his cronies from WFS touting for business.

What commercial nature? Was the poster selling something through the forum? Are you reading something between the lines, such as your delusion that Rob has posted it?

clutching....

[rumpelstilzchen]

What commercial nature? Was the poster selling something through the forum? Are you reading something between the lines, such as your delusion that Rob has posted it?

clutching....

He's started a seperate thread with exactly the same post.
Now that the other thread is active the post within this thread should be deleted.
Simples.

[steven1]

The message is clear to me but is subliminal to you it would seem.

I'm not about to waste my time explaining to a "rabbit holer"

[bones]

The message is clear to me but is subliminal to you it would seem.

I'm not about to waste my time explaining to a "rabbit holer"

ok bye.

[lesactive]

ok bye.

.

[steven1]

bones/les

I'm not here to try and educate you two because you are committed to the cause.
Good luck to you.
I'm here to stop now people being led "up the garden path" by people with an agenda.

[lesactive]

bones/les

I'm not here to try and educate you two because you are committed to the cause.
Good luck to you.
I'm here to stop now people being led "up the garden path" by people with an agenda.

Then perhaps you should start your own forum where you teach people the error of 'our' ways so they don't make "mistakes".

Kinda weak dontya think? By 'teaching' us two, you'd reach the hapless as well. C'mon, show your knowledge! Share, don't be stingy.

[rob menard]

Originally Posted by steven1 View Post
bones/les

I'm not here to try and educate you two because you are committed to the cause.
Good luck to you.
I'm here to stop now people being led "up the garden path" by people with an agenda.

Seems you too have an agenda! :D

Hey did you not start up a forum for that purpose? Did it die on you asky/steve/jb?

[steven1]

Not me rob
You are mixing me up with someone else.
His site didnt die though, someone got it closed down
Its up again if your interested (You seem to be hot topic on there)
http://freemantruthmovement.co.cc/index.php

[rob menard]

Yes one of my FB friends showed me that. We had a great laugh, where he claims that no one will be insulted, and then he has a thread called 'Snake Oil Salesmen' and he starts off by calling me one! LMAO! :D

I guess his no insult policy lasted right up until he started making up the thread titles! :D

Or is it no one but me can be insulted on there?

You PAY AND OBEY crowd crack me up at your transparency and double standards, and sheer willingness to out right ignore and refuse to believe that which is obvious to those who are not in a reliant position with the government.

I do hope you enjoy your teat though, cause it is drying up fast!

[steven1]

I do hope you enjoy your teat though, cause it is drying up fast!

I think once the Canadian government responds to micklemus those words may came back to haunt you.

Why did you assume the name Menard by the way, you used to be just plan Robert Arthur didn't you?

[rob menard]

Not me rob
You are mixing me up with someone else.
His site didnt die though, someone got it closed down
Its up again if your interested (You seem to be hot topic on there)
http://freemantruthmovement.co.cc/index.php

And asky if it is not you, then why are you not on there as 'steve' yet asky is, and boy of boy did you ever reveal yourself when you were admiring your own signature found here!

But go ahead, claim otherwise, even though your ego/smell permeates your posts. You have an onscreen personality. And your stated agenda is EXACTLY that which asky, who you claim to not be, has stated as his agenda!

But no, you are not asky/jb.... :rolleyes:

[steven1]

I am not a member on that site.
Why did you dodge the question about your name change?

[rob menard]

I think once the Canadian government responds to micklemus those words may came back to haunt you.

Why did you assume the name Menard by the way, you used to be just plan Robert Arthur didn't you?

Well we will see then won't we? I would love to read their response, in full. :D

And as to my name, I have no idea what you are talking about. On this forum, I have always used the name I do, and unlike you, I have only ever posted under that name. I did not post under one name, say asky, and then get banned for failure to follow the rules, and then come back using another name, say steve1, because I failed to create a forum, like I said I would.

That's you who did that!

Hey why not invite everyone here who does not want new people exposed to these ideas, (cause you know what is best for them, right?) to your forum and you can all sit around and talk about how great the system is and how bad we are.

Incidentally, you have revealed that your agenda here is to purposely block discussion of certain ideas, so as to stop new people from 'being led down the garden path'.

How strong is your position and truth if your only option is to try and stop us from sharing our views and beliefs with others, and you never offer any truth, ideas or remedy of your own?

I know you are asky, cause of how you do the ASKY DANCE!

[jzitoun]

Rob for president!!!!.......

[steven1]

My point is Rob that you have not always been known as Rob Menard.
you used to go under the name of Robert Arthur, I just wonder how many other aliases you have.

[rob menard]

My point is Rob that you have not always been known as Rob Menard.
you used to go under the name of Robert Arthur, I just wonder how many other aliases you have.

My point is here on this forum I have only ever used this name, and I can use whatever name I wish, provided I am not committing fraud.

I have been R.A. Menard in court. I have been Robert A. Menard in credits. I have been Rob Menard on marquees and posters. I have used Robert Arthur Menard on contracts. I have used Freddy Freepickle in costume. I have used Fred on stage in character.

You should count all the names you have temporarily used while merely on this forum. You are the king of aliases! But I do love a good ASKY DANCE move, and this is a fantastic pirouette type spin! Where you having used nothing but aliases, you now imply THAT I AM THE ALIAS USER and try to get people to miss the truth that you are the one using them.

You do the same thing when you try to claim I am posting under other accounts here too! :D

[steven1]

I have been R.A. Menard in court. I have been Robert A. Menard in credits. I have been Rob Menard on marquees and posters. I have used Robert Arthur Menard on contracts. I have used Freddy Freepickle in costume. I have used Fred on stage in character.
What about plain old Robert Arthur?

[rob menard]

What about plain old Robert Arthur?

Robert Arthur is not plain at all! It is distinguished and awesome.

I find it amazing how you can focus on my name, like it is important, but never reveal your own. Maybe if it was Robert Arthur, you would not be ashamed of your own name.

Heres the deal: You ask no more questions about me, unless you are willing to answer the same ones about youself, ok? Fair play and all.

So to continue discussing my name, you will have to reveal yours, and by that I mean the one on your birth certificate. Of course, you won't do that, you will continue with your ASKY DANCE and spin to avoid the truth.

Why is it people here think they have the right to demand personal information from me, and that failure for me to provide it is evidence of malicious intent or evil activities, while hiding like a coward behind an avatar?

You also exhibit the same level of unhealthy obsession with me that ASKY does. :D

[earthicastar]

And are there many that you know that have had the leap of faith, and gone for it.


I have taken that leap
... not the exact same way as Rob ..
and there are many others doing it their own way.. claiming their independence from others controlling them.. its a real simple idea, but most are still trying to deprogram themselves,
.. we were not taught to think freely.. we have a propensity to label everything

in my opinion... money is the whole problem, once it is obsolete entirely
things will be plentiful and peaceful in the world

[rumpelstilzchen]

I find it amazing how you can focus on my name,

Your name?
Doesn't yozhik normally step in when somebody mentions "their" name?

[steven1]

by that I mean the one on your birth certificate

Wow , now you recognise the significance of a birth certificate.
Well done Rob

[rob menard]

Wow , now you recognise the significance of a birth certificate.
Well done Rob

More ASKY DANCE!

Of course I do! I know for a fact it is a REVENUE RECEIPT and can be used to access the TREASURY. I know it evidences not only a birth of a child, but the transference of that child's wealth and control of their share to the government.

I know a great deal about Birth Certificates, that you with your selective sight, and need to control and do the endless ASKY DANCE, choose to ignore!

So, you will not be revealing your own name, even though you feel it is okay to make mine a topic of discussion?

ASKY DANCE!

[steven1]

Of course I do! I know for a fact it is a REVENUE RECEIPT and can be used to access the TREASURY. I know it evidences not only a birth of a child, but the transference of that child's wealth and control of their share to the government.

Thats a bit of a Catch 22 isnt it Rob?
Register the birth and the government gets the revenue , dont register and it doesnt exist.

So how do you claim to access this money if you have just clearly stated that the share is given to the state?

PS Why do you advise against registering children?

[rumpelstilzchen]

How do we know that the member who posts under the ID of rob menard is actually called Robert Menard?

[ipso facto]

More ASKY DANCE!

Of course I do! I know for a fact it is a REVENUE RECEIPT and can be used to access the TREASURY. I know it evidences not only a birth of a child, but the transference of that child's wealth and control of their share to the government.

I know a great deal about Birth Certificates, that you with your selective sight, and need to control and do the endless ASKY DANCE, choose to ignore!

So, you will not be revealing your own name, even though you feel it is okay to make mine a topic of discussion?

You didn't sound to sure here Rob. You don't actually have proof only someone telling you is that correct? But above you know for a fact? :confused::confused::confused: Nice swerve on the estate agency poster!!


I have heard tell of someone here discharging their mortgage debt using the security of the person. I do not have much more information, it was simply an email from a while ago from someone thanking me and claiming to have successfully discharged their mortgage and student loans. They acted upon an undisputed claim of right, and the fact that the back of their birth certificate said 'Revenue Receipt - Treasury Use Only'
in green in like that too.

Logically it is there, and the resources belong to us, not the banks. Also, it was the borrower who made the loan, and the banks who actually did the borrowing, as they got the promissory note first.

[rob menard]

Thats a bit of a Catch 22 isnt it Rob?
Register the birth and the government gets the revenue , dont register and it doesnt exist.

So how do you claim to access this money if you have just clearly stated that the share is given to the state?

PS Why do you advise against registering children?

Dont forget the lie you told about Elizabeth being your child.

A child becomes yours by birth or adoption, and an act of Baptism is an act of lawful adoption. Argue all you want. Label all you need. Accuse all you want, and denigrate all you desire. Whether a child is yours or not, is a function of what is written in your heart.

The stock is controlled under a trust arrangement. It belongs to the child, but is administered by the holder, on behalf of the child.

I advise against signing any document without full knowledge of what they are signing, especially when it deals with their children. WHY DO YOU ADVOCATE THEY JUST SIGN A DOCUMENT IN IGNORANCE WHEN IT CONCERNS THEIR CHILDREN?

I am bored with your ASKY DANCE now. You continually accuse me without proof of lying, and you never answer any questions posed to you, yet feel that you have the right to demand we provide you with answers.

There is no quid pro quo with you. Plus my deuce and half is here, and it is time to go do stuff that matters. I am building my home. Hey you want some fun while you are on ignore? Count how many refer to it as a hole. That way you can easily identify the childish petty pokey people who find joy in denigrating the efforts of others, even without seeing those efforts.

Ipso, I hope your kids read your posts here and see you childishly referring to my home as a hole. I think they would be ashamed of you, and if not, your family would be suitable for the Jerry Springer Show.

You are going back on ignore now, as no one here should be continually harassed and accused of lying and other things without any evidence. Plus, I think I will report you to the admin, and they can give you a chance to prove your insulting allegations, or ban you AGAIN!

[rob menard]

You didn't sound to sure here Rob. You don't actually have proof only someone telling you is that correct? But above you know for a fact? :confused::confused::confused: Nice swerve on the estate agency poster!!

Actually, I have proof in the form of a birth certificate with the words REVENUE RECEIPT TREASURY USE ONLY on the back of it. But you will merely ignore it, or claim it is not one, or that I am lying.

Sure must be an easy out in debate and discussion, to merely label and dismiss as a lie ANYTHING that does not support your position.

[ipso facto]

How do we know that the member who posts under the ID of rob menard is actually called Robert Menard?Aw Rumpel don't give him a get out jail free card!!! :p

[rumpelstilzchen]

Actually, I have proof in the form of a birth certificate with the words REVENUE RECEIPT TREASURY USE ONLY on the back of it. But you will merely ignore it, or claim it is not one, or that I am lying.

Sure must be an easy out in debate and discussion, to merely label and dismiss as a lie ANYTHING that does not support your position.

LOL
You address a member stating a point. You then offer the response (in the same post) that you believe that member would make, and then attempt to destroy the response you supplied, not the member.
Cheap tactics, rob.
It doesn't work, mate.

[ipso facto]

Actually, I have proof in the form of a birth certificate with the words REVENUE RECEIPT TREASURY USE ONLY on the back of it. But you will merely ignore it, or claim it is not one, or that I am lying.

Sure must be an easy out in debate and discussion, to merely label and dismiss as a lie ANYTHING that does not support your position.

I was only quoting from your posts Rob - I never said it :)

But you do admit that neither you or anyone else has access these funds? Doesn't matter what it is, if you can't access it - it's not yours to access obviously :)

On UK Birth Certificates (sorry Certificates of Birth as someone is BOUND to correct me) it has nothing of the sort on the back of it.

[ipso facto]

Ipso, I hope your kids read your posts here and see you childishly referring to my home as a hole. I think they would be ashamed of you, and if not, your family would be suitable for the Jerry Springer Show.They've got better things to do with their time LOL. Oooohhh bit bitchy there Rob , having a go at my husband and kids now - at least I kept my kids until they left of their own free will - when they became adults. Don't think its me that's worth of Jerry Springer - let's hear how you lost your child :)

You are going back on ignore now, as no one here should be continually harassed and accused of lying and other things without any evidence. Plus, I think I will report you to the admin, and they can give you a chance to prove your insulting allegations, or ban you AGAIN!Dontcha just love that ignore button. Erm, I wasn't banned you mix me up with someone else.

[steven1]

let's hear how you lost your child

It wasnt his child, or if it was then that may be why he changed his name.

One way to avoid the "register"

[freedominprogress]

I am dredging this bad boy of a topic up from the past in hopes someone will be able to help with my dilemma, as referred to at http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131378&highlight=debt+collection

In short, how the HELL do I respond to Recovery Agents phone calls?

Thanks guys :D

[daxo]

A child becomes yours by birth or adoption, and an act of Baptism is an act of lawful adoption. Argue all you want. Label all you need. Accuse all you want, and denigrate all you desire. Whether a child is yours or not, is a function of what is written in your heart.

The stock is controlled under a trust arrangement. It belongs to the child, but is administered by the holder, on behalf of the child.

I advise against signing any document without full knowledge of what they are signing, especially when it deals with their children. WHY DO YOU ADVOCATE THEY JUST SIGN A DOCUMENT IN IGNORANCE WHEN IT CONCERNS THEIR CHILDREN?

I am bored with your ASKY DANCE now. You continually accuse me without proof of lying, and you never answer any questions posed to you, yet feel that you have the right to demand we provide you with answers.

There is no quid pro quo with you. Plus my deuce and half is here, and it is time to go do stuff that matters. I am building my home. Hey you want some fun while you are on ignore? Count how many refer to it as a hole. That way you can easily identify the childish petty pokey people who find joy in denigrating the efforts of others, even without seeing those efforts.

Ipso, I hope your kids read your posts here and see you childishly referring to my home as a hole. I think they would be ashamed of you, and if not, your family would be suitable for the Jerry Springer Show.

You are going back on ignore now, as no one here should be continually harassed and accused of lying and other things without any evidence. Plus, I think I will report you to the admin, and they can give you a chance to prove your insulting allegations, or ban you AGAIN!

Signing legal documents is a legal matter. Didn't the courts tell you not to give legal advice anymore? I personally would seek a lawyers counsel before I signed anything about children... Any schmuck can make any accusation they want on the internet, but if the usual result of not signing is the goobernment comes and takes your children away....I think a lawyers opinion would be my best friend...Maybe a few opinions.

[daxo]

I was only quoting from your posts Rob - I never said it :)

But you do admit that neither you or anyone else has access these funds? Doesn't matter what it is, if you can't access it - it's not yours to access obviously :)

On UK Birth Certificates (sorry Certificates of Birth as someone is BOUND to correct me) it has nothing of the sort on the back of it.

I don't believe it says that on Canadian ones either... It sure doesn't on mine...

[daxo]

More ASKY DANCE!

Of course I do! I know for a fact it is a REVENUE RECEIPT and can be used to access the TREASURY. I know it evidences not only a birth of a child, but the transference of that child's wealth and control of their share to the government.

I know a great deal about Birth Certificates, that you with your selective sight, and need to control and do the endless ASKY DANCE, choose to ignore!

So, you will not be revealing your own name, even though you feel it is okay to make mine a topic of discussion?

ASKY DANCE!

You know it? Ok, fine. But can you PROVE it?

[ipso facto]

I don't believe it says that on Canadian ones either... It sure doesn't on mine...

Doesn't it????? So why does Rob's say its a Revenue Receipt :confused::confused: - may be Rob ought to scan it for us to see - would yours be exactly the same as his? or do birth certificates differ across Canada?

[daxo]

Doesn't it????? So why does Rob's say its a Revenue Receipt :confused::confused: - may be Rob ought to scan it for us to see - would yours be exactly the same as his? or do birth certificates differ across Canada?

Each province issues it's own, they have also changed over the years. I know a lot of the new ones don't have the ALL CAPS last name (yeah, talk about throwing a wrench in the Freeman arguments). It's plausible that his does. I've never seen one with it though...but I haven't seen every version of every birth certificate issued in every province over the last...say....half century or so.

I'm pretty sure none of them say it anymore...

Rob keeps saying "explain why it says this..." Sadly, the only people who could answer were probably in their 40's when the designed the damned things a decade or two before Rob was born. The answer has likely died with them. If Rob lost it, he'd get a replacement in the current style, which means it would no longer say that.

[ipso facto]

If Rob lost it, he'd get a replacement in the current style, which means it would no longer say that.And he reeeeallly wouldn't want that would he ;)

Thanks for your explanation Daxo :)

[yozhik]

And he reeeeallly wouldn't want that would he ;)

Thanks for your explanation Daxo :)

Excellent demonstration of faith there ipso facto ...


FAITH, n. [L. fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]

1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.

Careful how you tread ... faith is a bit of a no no in Cynical Land.

[ipso facto]

Excellent demonstration of faith there ipso facto ...



Careful how you tread ... faith is a bit of a no no in Cynical Land.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[swiftex]

Excellent demonstration of faith there ipso facto ...



Careful how you tread ... faith is a bit of a no no in Cynical Land.

Excellent post!

Rather subjective, wouldn't you say "Watson"? :D:D:D

[death]

I believe I have the answer to both questions here.
How do we claim the "share" in the corporation generated upon our legal fiction and, is Rob just a scam artist.

So here are the answers in reverse.
I do not believe the guys like Rob are total bullshit artists however, I believe what they are selling people is like say you were to buy a Porsche but it turned out all you received was the framework, shell and cosmetics.
So here you have the framework, the body panels, a nice lavish interior but no electrical, no motor, no transmission etc. Basically the proper components to make the thing work have been omitted and you must figure it out on your own.
Essentially you have the limited foundation necessary for producing the vehicle that will transport you to the destination of your ultimate goal.

Okay fair enough because a lot of the claimed "freemen on the land" I find content from are complete idiots that absolutely should not be handed the answers and often, it's a given that they will never figure out how to do these things properly on their own or even by playing 20 questions.

So how do we claim our "share" in the corporation?
I think that's a rather easy question to answer because if I have your pot of gold that constantly replenishes itself, I've been authorized to hold it out of your reach by you and you ask, demand, beg and even threaten if I do not give it back, well I will continue to be big brother and torment you.
But the issue is not actually that pot or even the gold that is going inside, it's a matter of who is filling the pot with gold.
So find out who is making the payments to the government and that is who you obtain your dividends from. Big brother's pot is nullified and a new pot is issued that nobody can dip into but you. You must revoke custodial rights with the institution making the payments not the greedy glutton spending your money.

Finding out specifically what institution will certainly be a nightmare. It's probably some despicable monster like the pope or the queen of England :p I say this meaning, they are very likely the head of this financial institution.
Researching the Department and secretary of treasury is probably the best place to start looking but I would not expect an outright answer. I believe both parties are unlikely to ever communicate for obvious reasons and you are going to be looking high, low and everywhere in between.

[sterbsr]

So basically im gonna have to start driving my car for work without my full license, same with my mate. Is there anything that I can do to not get in trouble. I live in Canberra
Thanks

[undeadcreature]

Drive with a full license would be a start maybe....

[iq_145]

Who resurrected this? :D

"I am a Freeman-on-the-Land. How May I help?"

Please take large sums of my and my family's hard-earned money so that I can be entertained by your wit and knowledge whilst I sit for weeks in the police cells.

[rob menard]

Read the beginning of this thread, and you will see how this placed USED to be, when it was mostly used by those who honestly wanted to learn and wanted to discuss, not debate≥

Now compare it to the last post by iq145, and see how the whole thing has gone to pot, with discussion now hindered, and constant attacks on the intent, motive or personality of the other posters.

THAT HAS BECOME THE NORM HERE, AND THAT IS NOT THE FREEMAN WAY.

[rumpelstilzchen]

THAT HAS BECOME THE NORM HERE,

Perhaps many people here can see right through you now, rob.
I don't see many people rushing to your defence in the manner they used to.
People move on. They can only be fooled for a limited amount of time.
It could be that you are yesterday's news and tomorrow's fish and chip paper?

[iq_145]

Read the beginning of this thread, and you will see how this placed USED to be, when it was mostly used by those who honestly wanted to learn and wanted to discuss, not debate≥

Now compare it to the last post by iq145, and see how the whole thing has gone to pot, with discussion now hindered, and constant attacks on the intent, motive or personality of the other posters.

THAT HAS BECOME THE NORM HERE, AND THAT IS NOT THE FREEMAN WAY.

With the passage of time, motive and intent become more obvious.

Is the "freeman way" to gladly take large sums of money from someone and then claim that it was really for that person's "entertainment," such that the seller avoids ending up in court himself?

Is the "freeman way" to start threads and then throw their toys out of the pram when their ploy meets with the scorn it deserves?

[rob menard]

With the passage of time, motive and intent become more obvious.

Is the "freeman way" to gladly take large sums of money from someone and then claim that it was really for that person's "entertainment," such that the seller avoids ending up in court himself?

Is the "freeman way" to start threads and then throw their toys out of the pram when their ploy meets with the scorn it deserves?

ONE MORE TIME: I GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE.

ALL your argument rests on continually ignoring that simple fact.

[iq_145]

ONE MORE TIME: I GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE.

ALL your argument rests on continually ignoring that simple fact.

Lance Thatcher paid $800. True or false?

[rob menard]

False.
He 'paid' $250 for a package, the contents of which are available free online.
He donated about $550 AFTER I had GIVEN him two days of my time, with no charge or expectation of payment on my part.

But that does not mesh with your desire to paint me as the bad guy you wish me to be painted as, so you will reject it.

[sterbsr]

I legally can not drive with my provisional license until after i do a test in september and my mate in november. what can i do if the police try to bust me and default my car because of a big crack in the windscreen? is there anything i can do if i got done without my lisence? or is there a problem because i'm registered with the roads and traffic authority in the first place?

[iq_145]

False.
He 'paid' $250 for a package, the contents of which are available free online.
He donated about $550 AFTER I had GIVEN him two days of my time, with no charge or expectation of payment on my part.

But that does not mesh with your desire to paint me as the bad guy you wish me to be painted as, so you will reject it.

If he paid (and I don't know why you have put this word in quotation marks) $250 for something that was free, then why did you not return his money and tell him that the package was free?

[rob menard]

Well because he like a great many others found value in the free information made available on the 'net, and wanted hard copies all collected and in one package to save himself time. Plus he wanted to buy the package as a way of showing thanks for all I did so selflessly.

The information is free. Putting it in a package is not. Is that a difficult concept for you to understand?

INFORMATION IS FREE. PEOPLE BURNING AND PRINTING THEM FOR YOU IS NOT.

But go ahead, stretch and bend to try and make what is clearly not a scam motivated payment system, as if it is one.

The purchase of a package is akin to a donation AFTER they have seen EXACTLY what is in it, and AFTER they do not need it. THEY CHOOSE. Since they chose, why should I give it back, and how is not doing so in any way something you feel you can denigrate or interrogate me on?

[lizardlover]

So EVERY SINGLE item on the WFS store is available for free? There is nothing there that is pay only right Rob? I can find every SINGLE item that you made on their site for free?

$15 for a PDF BOUGHT for money from a online STORE is not a DONATION, it is a SALE.

[rob menard]

So EVERY SINGLE item on the WFS store is available for free? There is nothing there that is pay only right Rob? I can find every SINGLE item that you made on their site for free?

$15 for a PDF BOUGHT for money from a online STORE is not a DONATION, it is a SALE.

And what if anything does that have to do with Lance? And how is an actual physical item information? CAn't get it through your skull can you cause your intent on trying to make me look like a scammer. Do you not agree that people have a right to buy and sell if they wish? Are you the buy and sell as well as the p[ay and obey police?

Your desperation to denigrate me and make my actions seem profit driven fail repeatedly.

[lizardlover]

And what if anything does that have to do with Lance? And how is an actual physical item information? CAn't get it through your skull can you cause your intent on trying to make me look like a scammer. Do you not agree that people have a right to buy and sell if they wish? Are you the buy and sell as well as the p[ay and obey police?

Your desperation to denigrate me and make my actions seem profit driven fail repeatedly.

You just posted that everything is available for free and you don't charge for it, simply a donation, so just trying to clarify, EVERY SINGLE ITEM on the WFS is available for FREE right?

[iq_145]

Well because he like a great many others found value in the free information made available on the 'net, and wanted hard copies all collected and in one package to save himself time. Plus he wanted to buy the package as a way of showing thanks for all I did so selflessly.

The information is free. Putting it in a package is not. Is that a difficult concept for you to understand?

INFORMATION IS FREE. PEOPLE BURNING AND PRINTING THEM FOR YOU IS NOT.

But go ahead, stretch and bend to try and make what is clearly not a scam motivated payment system, as if it is one.

The purchase of a package is akin to a donation AFTER they have seen EXACTLY what is in it, and AFTER they do not need it. THEY CHOOSE. Since they chose, why should I give it back, and how is not doing so in any way something you feel you can denigrate or interrogate me on?

Always someone else's fault, isn't it?

They get advice from you and it gets them in the police cells, then you retort with something like, "they should not use what they do not understand," or "they should do their own research," or "it was really another win, but you can't see that," or "I don't sell legal advice, I give away entertainment packages," ... and so on ad nauseum.

And as for asking you simple questions, this becomes like trying to wring blood out of a stone.

According to his family, who have to live with the misery that you have helped to create, you pocketed $800 from Lance Thatcher, a man who used FOTL "advice" to claim that he was not, in fact, Lance Thatcher, yet everyone (including you, by the way, since you have repeatedly called him 'Lance' on this forum) refers to him by that name/identifier/mnemonic/call-it-what-you-want.

Yet still you keep trying to wriggle out of any responsibility whatsoever, by claiming that it was not $800, it was $250 + $550, and that you gave it him for free, but charged him for printing and burning costs, etc.

In my opinion, you have been using this forum to promote and advertise material which has been shown time and time and time again to be erroneous and even dangerous.

In my opinion, therefore, you have been and still remain a conman.

[lesactive]

How many times do you plan on repeating yourself?

wheels, bus, round.....

[kaisersozey]

In my opinion, you have been using this forum to promote and advertise material which has been shown time and time and time again to be erroneous and even dangerous.


You are not trying to suggest that Rob is breaking the forum rules by advertising are you?
There are no adverts in his posts, and its all given for free.
I feel thats an underhand tactic to try and initiate a ban on Robs account.

Not nice at all.

[theabominablephenomenon]

I legally can not drive with my provisional license until after i do a test in september and my mate in november. what can i do if the police try to bust me and default my car because of a big crack in the windscreen? is there anything i can do if i got done without my lisence? or is there a problem because i'm registered with the roads and traffic authority in the first place?

Take my advice & get your windscreen sorted.
I've had a windscreen smash on me for no reason & it was pretty scary & dangerous.
Not only did we have to drive 60 miles home with bits of broken glass everywhere,
there was a blizzard and it was fucking freezing.
:)

[grammarian]

False.
He 'paid' $250 for a package, the contents of which are available free online.
He donated about $550 AFTER I had GIVEN him two days of my time, with no charge or expectation of payment on my part.

But that does not mesh with your desire to paint me as the bad guy you wish me to be painted as, so you will reject it.

So, to sumarise, you are a conman.

Not only a conman but one who lays the blame on the doorstep, or should that be cell door, of the people he scams!

What a despicable lying piece of seagull vomit Conman:Menard is.

Your regurgitated bollocks landed him in jail and then the looney bin, yet still you claim all-innocence.

What a pathetic individual, and conman.

[lizardlover]

Your desperation to denigrate me and make my actions seem profit driven fail repeatedly.

Charging $29.95 for a downloadable PDF seems pretty profit driven to me. No overhead to print it, no shipping, no burning of a disc, just a file. You do offer 2 for free on the WFS site with the rest ranging from 7.95 to 29.95.

You even have a website just to sell your book that was created this year. Times getting rough?

http://www.lawfulexcuse.com/With_Lawful_Excuse/Book.html

To Buy This Book Click Here


Hmmmm, no mention of where to download this book for free and donate something if you find it useful, just To BUY.

Its a PDF Rob, how do you justify $29.95 for it?

[weeman]

In my opinion, you have been using this forum to promote and advertise material which has been shown time and time and time again to be erroneous and even dangerous.


You are not trying to suggest that Rob is breaking the forum rules by advertising are you?
There are no adverts in his posts, and its all given for free.
I feel thats an underhand tactic to try and initiate a ban on Robs account.

Not nice at all.

To be fair, I have never seen Robert advertise his 'Packages' here. However, he does mention his WFS site quite often where these packages and more are advertised (to buy).

I also noticed the WFS site promotes David Icke, so maybe Robert and the David Icke site have an arrangement to promote each other? Clicky... (http://shop.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=47)

[i_am]

To be fair, I have never seen Robert advertise his 'Packages' here. However, he does mention his WFS site quite often where these packages and more are advertised (to buy).

I also noticed the WFS site promotes David Icke, so maybe Robert and the David Icke site have an arrangement to promote each other? Clicky... (http://shop.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=47)

That is a blurb by the promoter of David's Australian Tour, Adam Davis, Not David Icke and not this site, so no, there are no such arrangements!

Any such specualtion is way off the mark.

[weeman]

To be fair, I have never seen Robert advertise his 'Packages' here. However, he does mention his WFS site quite often where these packages and more are advertised (to buy).

I also noticed the WFS site promotes David Icke, so maybe Robert and the David Icke site have an arrangement to promote each other? Clicky... (http://shop.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=47)

That is a blurb by the promoter of David's Australian Tour, Adam Davis, Not David Icke and not this site, so NO!! There are no such arrangements!

Any such specualtion is way off the mark.

Just to make it very, very, very very clear. I was in no way suggesting an 'arrangement' that would allow for 'preferential' treatment.

Only saying there may be an arrangement to advertise/promote on each others site was all. :cool:


i_am spanked me......... and I liked it. :p

[sterbsr]

Take my advice & get your windscreen sorted.
I've had a windscreen smash on me for no reason & it was pretty scary & dangerous.
Not only did we have to drive 60 miles home with bits of broken glass everywhere,
there was a blizzard and it was fucking freezing.
:)

Ha ha i'm sorry to hear that mate
yeah theres a huge crack going straight through the middle. its hard for me to save the money to pay for it because im earning f**k all money as a carpenters apprentice and trying to get me and a mate a place to live here in canberra which ive just moved too, as well as a job for him. we're both 18.

i found out today that he's eligible for his provisional license now but im still a few months away.

so im very much considering just driving around in the car i have and sticking some P plates on it.

but i would like to know what i can do in defence, what i should do/say if i get pulled over and the police try to charge me for not having a license?

[sterbsr]

can i say that under common law jurisdiction and as a sovereign human man i have not caused any injured party and your that your legal parliament act doesn't apply.
whats the deal?

[wispy]

can i say that under common law jurisdiction and as a sovereign human man i have not caused any injured party and your that your legal parliament act doesn't apply.
whats the deal?

You can try it but according to previous evidence it won't work.

Statute still applies.

Why don't you save up and pay what's legally required insead of getting banned before you even get a licence?

[iq_145]

...
Your regurgitated bollocks landed him in jail and then the looney bin, yet still you claim all-innocence.
...

A tad stronger than I would have put it, but yes, it does seem to be the gist of the matter.

I think that, at the very least, Lance "Peaceful" Thatcher is entitled to a full refund of his $800, plus interest, under the Trades Descriptions Act.

[yozhik]

can i say that under common law jurisdiction and as a sovereign human man i have not caused any injured party and your that your legal parliament act doesn't apply.
whats the deal?

Are you asking if you are capable of saying it?
Or are you checking with the forum and requesting permission?

Either way - not trying to be rude or offensive - but if you need to ask for permission or check externally whether you're capable ... probably best you leave the bag of tricks locked away in the cupboard until you figure out what you're doing with some level of competency.

If you go in unsure, my money is on you fucking it up and wishing you'd just taken the easy way out of 'complying through necessity' and playing the game until you knew what you were doing.

But hey ... if you want to serve yourself up as the next 'forum carcass' for the parasites to dine out on ... go for it. Who am I to sway you from sticking an apple in your mouth, a baster in your hand, and a long rod up your ass.

Besides - you 'can say' whatever you want, but if you do say as you have suggested above, I'd underwrite your fine by running down to the local bookie and betting against yourself in the 'court'; they're not going to play that game with ya unless you have a little more to offer in terms of argument and knowledge.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, yeah; I'm sounding like a cynical prick who hints at it all being mystical and magical and hidden ... Heard it all before ...

I stand behind my comments.
I don't offer advice; they're just my comments.
One grain of salt or two, Sir?

[lesactive]

is saying, in general
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Someone's been told some good advice.

[girlgye]

Are you asking if you are capable of saying it?
Or are you checking with the forum and requesting permission?

Either way - not trying to be rude or offensive - but if you need to ask for permission or check externally whether you're capable ... probably best you leave the bag of tricks locked away in the cupboard until you figure out what you're doing with some level of competency.

If you go in unsure, my money is on you fucking it up and wishing you'd just taken the easy way out of 'complying through necessity' and playing the game until you knew what you were doing.

But hey ... if you want to serve yourself up as the next 'forum carcass' for the parasites to dine out on ... go for it. Who am I to sway you from sticking an apple in your mouth, a baster in your hand, and a long rod up your ass.

Besides - you 'can say' whatever you want, but if you do say as you have suggested above, I'd underwrite your fine by running down to the local bookie and betting against yourself in the 'court'; they're not going to play that game with ya unless you have a little more to offer in terms of argument and knowledge.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, yeah; I'm sounding like a cynical prick who hints at it all being mystical and magical and hidden ... Heard it all before ...

I stand behind my comments.
I don't offer advice; they're just my comments.
One grain of salt or two, Sir?


hehehehehe and well spotted troll bait and switch crapola.

Good to see you back. Though I doubt none of us will be around much longer.

[iq_145]

...

Yeah, yeah; I'm sounding like a cynical prick who hints at it all being mystical and magical and hidden ... Heard it all before ...

I stand behind my comments.
I don't offer advice; they're just my comments.
...

Okay, your comments are a fair reflection of reality.

[misa]

HI! Robert-Arthur of the Menard family here. I am a Freeman-on-the-Land, amazing cook (I invented soup), awesome comedian (Before me there were no punchlines. I was like "There's something missing..."), and uniquely humble considering how amazing I truly am.

Been reading some posts here and decided to join and offer any assistance I can to those who are examining the Freeman concept and have questions regarding the process or outcome.

I will answer the questions I can as I can and reserve the right to disregard the posts of trolls or those clearly seeking conflict or confrontation.Peace eh?
Rob

LOL!

ok what legal qualifcations do you have? and why do you charge so much for your advice/info for entertainment purposes - its a bit expensive for a laugh/interest don't you think?

can you give me some uk examples of how the fmotl approached actually worked?

ta

[iq_145]

LOL!

ok what legal qualifcations do you have? and why do you charge so much for your advice/info for entertainment purposes - its a bit expensive for a laugh/interest don't you think?

can you give me some uk examples of how the fmotl approached actually worked?

ta

Oh dear, some awkward questions! :D