I am a Freeman-on-the-Land. How May I help?

[kblood]

Did you read the case? He has been found guilty of failing to pay taxes and has to pay the lot plus penalties and interest. He only got off because he was influenced by others and convinced by them it was legal. Those who instructed him are now in jail.

So to file returns is to pay the tax?

Snipes used bizarre arguments to justify his position, saying the IRS’ own code meant income earned in this country wasn’t taxable, and the agency had no legal authority because it’s not a proper government entity.

Later, the actor threatened the government and individual agents in his pursuit, declaring himself a “nonresident alien” not subject to tax laws.

Prosecutors say Snipes paid taxes in the 1990s, but changed his mind after meeting Kahn in 2000. He allegedly stopped filing returns, illegally sought $11 million in 1996 and 1997 taxes paid and drew fake checks to pay the U.S. Treasury.

Kahn founded the central Florida tax protest group American Rights Litigators and its successor, Guiding Light of God Ministries. He has been using tax scams since at least the early 1980s, according to government documents, and refused to defend himself in court against these charges.

"Snipes used bizarre arguments to justify his position, saying the IRS’ own code meant income earned in this country wasn’t taxable, and the agency had no legal authority because it’s not a proper government entity."

And its true, nothing in the constitution says anything about it being the law to pay tax of your income. They have covered it up very nicely in the whole article, but it is about the difference between the government and the government. There is one that is just on paper, which most the tax stuff is based on and the constitutional one.

Here is an article explaining it a bit:

http://www.buildfreedom.com/suprynowicz.htm

The whole "tax being voulentary" is not some mistake. What exactly did they convict his advisors for? They convicted them for conspiracy, not tax fraud. What did they convict Wesley Snipes for? Not filing his returns, but he havent payed the millions of tax dollars they claim he owe.

They are very good at covering this up as I see it. They have to because otherwise you could make citizens arrest on alot of high standing people with the right bits of information.

[helpus]

So, Elizabeth of Windsor, whom you call 'Monarch' has the power and right to govern you without your consent? WHY? HOW? Do you realize she refuses to make that claim? Why would you make it for her?

i didn't say Elizabeth of Windsor Mr neccesary wordsmith.

would you care to expand on the UK situation if you know of it?

[1694]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44628

Made a thread on this already.

[helpus]

i didn't say Elizabeth of Windsor Mr neccesary wordsmith.

would you care to expand on the UK situation if you know of it?

Rob,i will refuse to take silence as dishonor, because i just think you might be making a cuppa or having a kip or something :)

[helpus]

This thread reminds of why god created man....

loneliness

before anyone starts on "there is no god", sorry there has to be a god for freeman to exist, it's the hierarchy, you can't have one without the other

which god, which freeman..? now theres something

time to start praying if you want to believe.

[pleasuredome]

This thread reminds of why god created man....

loneliness


there may be a chance you dont realise just how profound a statement that is.

or not, as the case maybe ;) :cool:

[grenadene]

This thread reminds of why god created man....

loneliness

before anyone starts on "there is no god", sorry there has to be a god for freeman to exist, it's the hierarchy, you can't have one without the other

which god, which freeman..? now theres something

time to start praying if you want to believe.

A lack of God doesn't imply one human beings authority over another?

[pdcdp]

wesley snipes is a corporation.

i always figured he was being used as a high profile fall guy, to convince the public that the no-tax rumours were bogus.

seems to have worked.:(

[kblood]

wesley snipes is a corporation.

i always figured he was being used as a high profile fall guy, to convince the public that the no-tax rumours were bogus.

seems to have worked.:(

Yea, I am quite surprised at how few noticed how unreal the whole thing seemed. 3 years for what ought to be practically stealing millions of dollars, and that is UP TO 3 years. And then his lawyer or somehing claims he would pay the tax or whatever money he owed.

Seems to me that he earned himself a few millions of dollars he didnt have to pay in tax by going to jail for up to 3 years, and in jail time a year is much less time than a real year. He will be out before 2012.

[helpus]

there may be a chance you dont realise just how profound a statement that is.

or not, as the case maybe ;) :cool:

i realise ;)

[helpus]

A lack of God doesn't imply one human beings authority over another?

it does, for to be a freeman you have to accept god as your master..

edit: in freeman "laws" god is superior, he/it/she allows you your life above all else. It's fundamental freeman philosophy.

hard work eh?

[h2pogo]

it does, for to be a freeman you have to accept god as your master..

why?

[duckingdafta]

it does, for to be a freeman you have to accept god as your master..

edit: in freeman "laws" god is superior, he/it/she allows you your life above all else. It's fundamental freeman philosophy.

hard work eh?

???..I'm an Atheist!

[helpus]

why?

because the basis of the freeman movement, if true, claims that i am a product of god not any corporation.Therefor no man can claim right over any other man, as god has the first and last word....

true.. check it out... i ask Rob to clarify,that's all he can do, otherwise there is no case or "arguement"


don't want to use the term loophole, because it's not, its fundamental.

[yozhik]

because the basis of the freeman movement, if true, claims that i am a product of god not any corporation.

Wait ... so you're saying if I don't believe in God, then I am a product of a corporation???

Do I come with a manual and a manufacturer's warranty?? :confused:

[helpus]

???..I'm an Atheist!

you are going to have to pretend then...

[helpus]

Wait ... so you're saying if I don't believe in God, then I am a product of a corporation???

Do I come with a manual and a manufacturer's warranty?? :confused:

i'm saying if you want to be a freeman, you have to overthrow what you know, with something greater

[h2pogo]

it does, for to be a freeman you have to accept god as your master..

edit: in freeman "laws" god is superior, he/it/she allows you your life above all else. It's fundamental freeman philosophy.

hard work eh?

no one needs a master to be free
a freeman is free to choose his own defenition of god
it is the fact you are alive that makes you a natural human being

[yozhik]

i'm saying if you want to be a freeman, you have to overthrow what you know, with something greater

If you read through it all, the philosophy is either consistent with a belief in God or a belief in self.

If God is the creator, then he is in us.
So the "chain of command" is; God, man, man's servants, statutes.

If you are an atheist, then you are the head of the food chain ... so one is consistent with the other.

A belief in self is a belief in God, for those that believe in God.

[helpus]

no one needs a master to be free
a freeman is free to choose his own defenition of god
it is the fact you are alive that makes you a natural human being

sorry if you are going to "legally" apply, because that's what you have to do, like it or lump it, you have to proclaim that God has higher value on any man made government.

[duckingdafta]

i'm saying if you want to be a freeman, you have to overthrow what you know, with something greater

no you don't..it's not a power struggle. It's simply the right or wrongs of treatment of humans...not their beliefs or none beliefs either.

relating it with a 'God' like entity of a magic man in the sky who is there to help and all mighty is exactly the same as monetary belief has done to man over the years.

[boots]

sorry if you are going to "legally" apply, because that's what you have to do, like it or lump it, you have to proclaim that God has higher value on any man made government.


So What:rolleyes:


Distracts nothing from the philosophy of being a Freeman.


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[helpus]

If you read through it all, the philosophy is either consistent with a belief in God or a belief in self.

If God is the creator, then he is in us.
So the "chain of command" is; God, man, man's servants, statutes.

If you are an atheist, then you are the head of the food chain ... so one is consistent with the other.

A belief in self is a belief in God, for those that believe in God.


Thanks for the back up - refering to the chain, that's what is recognized if at all, no made up i wanna this i wanna that stuff

[helpus]

So What:rolleyes:


Distracts nothing from the philosophy of being a Freeman.


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sorry was i meant to distract you - is that what expect from me? wake up this
OUR journey

[lesactive]

I'm agnostic, don't know facts about God and I've been through most of the Bible a few times as well as many other books of that nature. One thing all those books have never suggested is that we are creations of the government, cuz that would be silly.

However, and this is of note, the government recognizes the supremacy of God, they don't specify which one and neither do I. I believe that's up to you. What's stopping you from using that part of their foundational law against them? Could be a very powerful tool.

Freemen come in all varieties, best not to generalize too much.

[yozhik]

the government recognizes the supremacy of God, they don't specify which one and neither do I.

This is probably the key point ... thank you lesactive.

They all take an oath, with this as the foundation.
The Queen even refers to the King James Bible as the most important book of all time.
All the Statutes, Acts, by-laws, oaths of office, etc ... ALL of them have God as the Creator.

[boots]

I'm agnostic, don't know facts about God and I've been through most of the Bible a few times as well as many other books of that nature. One thing all those books have never suggested is that we are creations of the government, cuz that would be silly.

However, and this is of note, the government recognizes the supremacy of God, they don't specify which one and neither do I. I believe that's up to you. What's stopping you from using that part of their foundational law against them? Could be a very powerful tool.

Freemen come in all varieties, best not to generalize too much.

Very true.


They consider the King James Bible to be their foundation.

So we can use it to back them into a corner.


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[boots]

This is probably the key point ... thank you lesactive.

They all take an oath, with this as the foundation.
The Queen even refers to the King James Bible as the most important book of all time.
All the Statutes, Acts, by-laws, oaths of office, etc ... ALL of them have God as the Creator.

:D

Glad to see we are thinking along the same lines.


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[helpus]

I'm agnostic, don't know facts about God and I've been through most of the Bible a few times as well as many other books of that nature. One thing all those books have never suggested is that we are creations of the government, cuz that would be silly.

However, and this is of note, the government recognizes the supremacy of God, they don't specify which one and neither do I. I believe that's up to you. What's stopping you from using that part of their foundational law against them? Could be a very powerful tool.

Freemen come in all varieties, best not to generalize too much.

there's the best reason why muslims extremists are terrorist's i have ever heard, thanks for the thought.

how many "politicans" are freemen? i would be if i was in the know

[h2pogo]

sorry if you are going to "legally" apply, because that's what you have to do, like it or lump it, you have to proclaim that God has higher value on any man made government.

I cant see that being a problem.
even to an athiest
it might be easier though (for an athiest) to replace the word "natrural" with "god"

[grenadene]

it does, for to be a freeman you have to accept god as your master..

edit: in freeman "laws" god is superior, he/it/she allows you your life above all else. It's fundamental freeman philosophy.

hard work eh?

A strict moral code, love to all men as equals and a good knowledge of the laws that bind or liberate us seem to me to be the fundamentals of freeman philosophy. 'Children of god', 'children of the land' it makes little difference when trying to illustrate the point we are all equal. Whether God made you or not, the Government certainly didn't and by that token you are not their property. Living and importantly enjoying that life for the betterment of your own spirituality and that of your wider circles should not be hindered by any other human being trying to fine you for not wearing a seatbelt.

Freemen are still bound by common law, trials before a jury of your peers, it isn't a licence to run around shooting people. May I also remind you most of the most immoral acts are perfectly within the law. Its a lawful way of being left alone if causing no harm, its a lawful way of not having to contribute to a corrupt and dishonest government.


Rob (if you're still persevering with us that is :))

Could you please give us your thoughts on this matter

Thanks in advance ;)

[boots]

there's the best reason why muslims extremists are terrorist's i have ever heard, thanks for the thought.

how many "politicans" are freemen? i would be if i was in the know

If there were any Politicians then they would be there as a distraction.

A Wesley Snipes:rolleyes:

They are part of the corporation called government.


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[rob menard]

Rob,i will refuse to take silence as dishonor, because i just think you might be making a cuppa or having a kip or something :)

I was away, sorry for the delay, I may have left myself logged in.

From my opinion, I do not sense you trying to be disruptive, merely being properly questioning, and I do not mind that at all, however, you know my name, and it is not 'Mr' anything, let alone word smith. Learning to distinguish between words and concepts is key to this journey, and is the key to the deception we have laboured under.

I will admit my knowledge of the UK system is limited when compared to my knowledge of the Canadian system, but I have come to the conclussion that there is only one globe, and the deception varies little from place to place. What varies is the level of violence the deceivers are willing to use to maintain their power.

The Queen is on record as stating that she holds no executive power over the people of Canada, that she is merely a figure head. She is however the Defender of the Faith, and as people do make Oath to serve her, and she is the Defender of The Faith, then they are bound as well. Being a Freeman is about embracing the Faith. (More on that later ok?)

As for God, that entity is not defined. You are free to do so and how can they argue? Additionally, it is not what you profess to believe, but what they do, and they have defined the hierarchy.

Peace eh?
Rob

[lesactive]

there's the best reason why muslims extremists are terrorist's i have ever heard, thanks for the thought.

how many "politicans" are freemen? i would be if i was in the know

Are you drunk again or just trolling as usual? wut the hell....

[boots]

A strict moral code, love to all men as equals and a good knowledge of the laws that bind or liberate us seem to me to be the fundamentals of freeman philosophy. 'Children of god', 'children of the land' it makes little difference when trying to illustrate the point we are all equal. Whether God made you or not, the Government certainly didn't and by that token you are not their property. Living and importantly enjoying that life for the betterment of your own spirituality and that of your wider circles should not be hindered by any other human being trying to fine you for not wearing a seatbelt.

Freemen are still bound by common law, trials before a jury of your peers, it isn't a licence to run around shooting people. May I also remind you most of the most immoral acts are perfectly within the law. Its a lawful way of being left alone if causing no harm, its a lawful way of not having to contribute to a corrupt and dishonest government.


Rob (if you're still persevering with us that is :))

Could you please give us your thoughts on this matter

Thanks in advance ;)


Good post.:)

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[ag3nt5mith]

As above, they shot themselves in the foot by bringing the word God into it.

They don't even try to define it, as Rob pointed out, they can't do it.

As my mother is my creator I can view her as my God.

Or I can view the cosmos as my creator and thus my God, after all we are all one, made up of star dust, this is how I see it.

It kind of beautiful when you think about it.

Religion it seems is nothing more than the hijacking of spirituality.

Find your own path, break the assumptions.

[helpus]

i think we are getting somewhere - cheers rob :)

[helpus]

Are you drunk again or just trolling as usual? wut the hell....

don't be so rude man, that's not the freeman way eh?

[boots]

As above, they shot themselves in the foot by bringing the word God into it.

They don't even try to define it, as Rob pointed out, they can't do it.

As my mother is my creator I can view her as my God.

Or I can view the cosmos as my creator and thus my God, after all we are all one, made up of star dust, this is how I see it.

It kind of beautiful when you think about it.

Religion it seems is nothing more than the hijacking of spirituality.

Find your own path, break the assumptions.


Yes, that is a very good point.

Thank you.:)

ag3nt5mith.

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[tien an]

i think we are getting somewhere - cheers rob :)

with no help from you...

[helpus]

As above, they shot themselves in the foot by bringing the word God into it.

They don't even try to define it, as Rob pointed out, they can't do it.

As my mother is my creator I can view her as my God.

Or I can view the cosmos as my creator and thus my God, after all we are all one, made up of star dust, this is how I see it.

It kind of beautiful when you think about it.

Religion it seems is nothing more than the hijacking of spirituality.

Find your own path, break the assumptions.

no no no - God is the most central part of the arguement,without God there is no freeman

[helpus]

with no help from you...

all i can say is tough.. i will travel my path and you travel yours if we pass and meet i will see you there, go for it.

[tien an]

no no no - God is the most central part of the arguement,without God there is no freeman

and my god is a peanut butter sandwich on the second-top shelf of my fridge...

God 'helpus' from barrack-room lawyers.

[duckingdafta]

there's the best reason why muslims extremists are terrorist's i have ever heard, thanks for the thought.

how many "politicans" are freemen? i would be if i was in the know

Islamic extremist aren't all terrorists, it's unfair to generalise because you don't like or agree with another's ways in the same way BNP aren't all....just not liked by many.
I think there is also this 'fear' being raised a lot in which you (not you personally) have to know all the law to participate in a freeman lifestyle. Maybe so if you're intent on being a criminal or just using it for either propaganda or other agenda ways....like because you're a ex drink driver and want to use a car again.


If a god does exist..I am it in this household...though the wife may disagree

[helpus]

and my god is a peanut butter sandwich on the second-top shelf of my fridge...

God 'helpus' from barrack-room lawyers.

god is a legal term hat you can use o distance yourself from man made slavery, that 'sthe the way the philosophy goes

[tien an]

all i can say is tough.. i will travel my path and you travel yours if we pass and meet i will see you there, go for it.

ROFL, LMFAO...is this a challenge, or simply threatening behaviour?
I can see you going a looooong way as a freeman on the land.

You seem to see this whole thing as a battle, which it isn't; it's a withdrawal from a corrupt life in bondage, to live a peaceful life alongside fellow man (or woman).

No; my God isn't a peanut butter sandwich, but I guess you know that already. 'My' God is within, but that's only my opinion.

For someone who trashes the concept so vehemently, it's really quite funny to see you then fawn in front of the Freeman on the Land, who has lost quite a bit and has endured an arduous journey to be here to even answer our questions.
What's your experience?
By what right do you monopolise the thread with your platitudes and insinuations that we're deluding ourselves?

[lesactive]

don't be so rude man, that's not the freeman way eh?

Sincere apologies for appearing rude. Any chance that you might apologize to any Muslims reading this board who AREN'T terrorists? Individual insults are one thing, that my reasoning could inspire terrorists, but come on....

[helpus]

ROFL, LMFAO...is this a challenge, or simply threatening behaviour?
I can see you going a looooong way as a freeman on the land.

You seem to see this whole thing as a battle, which it isn't; it's a withdrawal from a corrupt life in bondage, to live a peaceful life alongside fellow man (or woman).

No; my God isn't a peanut butter sandwich, but I guess you know that already. 'My' God is within, but that's only my opinion.

For someone who trashes the concept so vehemently, it's really quite funny to see you then fawn in front of the Freeman on the Land, who has lost quite a bit and has endured an arduous journey to be here to even answer our questions.
What's your experience?
By what right do you monopolise the thread with your platitudes and insinuations that we're deluding ourselves?

not read more than 5% of it personal message me, you can have my phone number, we can chat together

[helpus]

Sincere apologies for appearing rude. Any chance that you might apologize to any Muslims reading this board who AREN'T terrorists? Individual insults are one thing, that my reasoning could inspire terrorists, but come on....

yeah i said extreme muslims..take me incontext.. please

[lesactive]

yeah i said extreme muslims..take me incontext.. please

...like, extreme sports Muslims?

[tien an]

Rob, do you have any information on what can be done about protecting / integrating foreign spouses (Chinese, Russian etc.) that have nothing to do with either the Commonwealth or the European Union?

Is the concept restricted to our culture? Have you heard of any freemen on the land from different cultures?

Also; any idea where to start...when there is no birth certificate? Would you start with the Social Security Number?

[helpus]

...like, extreme sports Muslims?

personal message me you can have my home phone number and we can chat

[tien an]

not read more than 5% of it personal message me, you can have my phone number, we can chat together

No thanks; I get quite enough of your drivel here as it is.

[helpus]

No thanks; I get quite enough of your drivel here as it is.

don't bite if you think i'm full of shit then, just contribute, it effects us all

[rob menard]

Can't we all just play nice? Forgive and forget from this point forward that which is in the past?

Helpus may be testing me, but I prefer to be tested here then in some real world situation where the questions are posed by angry men with guns pointed in my face.

Also, regardless of if you like his posts, tone or perceived intent, his willingness to question and reject that which does not jibe with his own Spirit, is in fact the first step to being a Freeman.

Also, the questions he has asked, for the most part, are pertinent and will if explored lead to greater understanding.

I would rather hang with intelligent, rational, logical cynical people who disagree with me,then those who would accept what I say blindly and without testing or vetting.

Finally, I grew up with six sisters.
I can handle words.

Rob

PS- Never argue with a woman who feels slighted. Using logic in that case is like throwing marshmallows at a wood chipper.

[helpus]

Can't we all just play nice? Forgive and forget from this point forward that which is in the past?

Helpus may be testing me, but I prefer to be tested here then in some real world situation where the questions are posed by angry men with guns pointed in my face.

Also, regardless of if you like his posts, tone or perceived intent, his willingness to question and reject that which does not jibe with his own Spirit, is in fact the first step to being a Freeman.

Also, the questions he has asked, for the most part, are pertinent and will if explored lead to greater understanding.

I would rather hang with intelligent, rational, logical cynical people who disagree with me,then those who would accept what I say blindly and without testing or vetting.

Finally, I grew up with six sisters.
I can handle words.

Rob

PS- Never argue with a woman who feels slighted. Using logic in that case is like throwing marshmallows at a wood chipper.

shit man - cheers for that - no favours though :)

[helpus]

So Rob,

god a fundamental part of it all or not?

[rob menard]

Rob, do you have any information on what can be done about protecting / integrating foreign spouses (Chinese, Russian etc.) that have nothing to do with either the Commonwealth or the European Union?

Is the concept restricted to our culture? Have you heard of any freemen on the land from different cultures?

Also; any idea where to start...when there is no birth certificate? Would you start with the Social Security Number?

This one is a bit trickier.
I would in that situation play along and get everything needed so they could vote, then they would begin the Freeman process.
Alternatively, a NUI and COR could be used to claim rights on her behalf, and then those rights would be established by lack of dispute, however that claim may create the need for dispute in the eyes of those you seek to generate agreement with.

If you are a Freeman, and two become one in the eyes of the law and God, (So I heard) then it would seem to me the Freeman would raise up the spouse, not the spouse drag down the Freeman. Also, marriage in their system requires a license. (Think about that one!) Marriage in the community does not. Notice and ceremony and oath means you are married lawfully.

Hope that helps!
Rob

PS- Marriage involves commitment to an institution. That's for crazy people.

[rob menard]

So Rob,

god a fundamental part of it all or not?

Not to be a smart ass, but what is God not a fundamental part of?

[h2pogo]

rob. on an earlier post you said if you accept benefits you will bear their burden.which i understand.
but i am still looking for a way(other than filling the spare room full of weed)
for a family to financially survive in the uk as freemen living in rented
accomodation.

what if my partner who i live with was to continue to claim tax credits,child support ect and left my name of the revenue forms.
is she legally obliged to declare a freeman residing with her?

[tien an]

This one is a bit trickier.
I would in that situation play along and get everything needed so they could vote, then they would begin the Freeman process.
Alternatively, a NUI and COR could be used to claim rights on her behalf, and then those rights would be established by lack of dispute, however that claim may create the need for dispute in the eyes of those you seek to generate agreement with.

If you are a Freeman, and two become one in the eyes of the law and God, (So I heard) then it would seem to me the Freeman would raise up the spouse, not the spouse drag down the Freeman. Also, marriage in their system requires a license. (Think about that one!) Marriage in the community does not. Notice and ceremony and oath means you are married lawfully.

Hope that helps!
Rob

PS- Marriage involves commitment to an institution. That's for crazy people.

Yes; helps quite a bit thanks...
You confirmed my intentions in the first part of your answer.

I have a marriage licence, yes; believe it or not it's only for 93 years! (China)

[rob menard]

rob. on an earlier post you said if you accept benefits you will bear their burden.which i understand.
but i am still looking for a way(other than filling the spare room full of weed)
for a family to financially survive in the uk as freemen living in rented
accomodation.

what if my partner who i live with was to continue to claim tax credits,child support ect and left my name of the revenue forms.
is she legally obliged to declare a freeman residing with her?

'Legally' you wont exist.
As for survival, you can still contract and engage in exchange or trades. The government will not have the power to take a portion of your pay.
You will likely be richer.
What you can earn is far greater then the allowance the Nanny gives you.

Rob

[helpus]

Not to be a smart ass, but what is God not a fundamental part of?

don't twist it just expose it...

god dictates if a freeman can be "legally" valid? yes or no... i'm making the Q. easy so i can get some kip, and so others might know where they stand.

[rob menard]

don't twist it just expose it...

god dictates if a freeman can be "legally" valid? yes or no... i'm making the Q. easy so i can get some kip, and so others might know where they stand.

No.

If you had to choose between believing in God or compassion to your fellow man, go with the latter.
It is not the 'existence' of God, but them acknowledging their belief that God exists that provides the remedy.

Rob

PS - I have no idea what 'kip' is, so do not know if I succeeded.

[h2pogo]

'Legally' you wont exist.
As for survival, you can still contract and engage in exchange or trades. The government will not have the power to take a portion of your pay.
You will likely be richer.
What you can earn is far greater then the allowance the Nanny gives you.

Rob

so if legally i wont exist my spouse is not commiting a crime by not putting my name on the inland revenue forms?
is that correct?

sorry to say what the nanny state in the uk gives is more than i earn as self employed.
that is how they keep the fake economy going and stop the slaves from starving and then revolting.
they want us all to think we are dependant on them.

[kblood]

Seems my question drowned a bit, this thread sure is active :)

Rob, you have probably heard about Wesley Snipes and his trial regarding tax fraud and conspiracy. He stopped paying taxes altogether in 2003 or something like that, he ended up with a sentence of 3 years in prison for not filing his tax return.

heres and article about it again:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22955757/

Seems to me that he wasnt put in jail for not paying his taxes, he just didnt file his tax return, which I have to admit I dont know what is exactly, but I think its just informing the government about what you have earned, so you can tell them how much tax you will choose not to pay.

His advisors in this case was charged with conspiracy and got 10 years... again not tax fraud from what I can tell. So it seems that tax is really not mandatory, but voulentary. In the US at least.

Is the freeman concept not the same? Doesnt it apply to the UK and other countries as well?

[rob menard]

HE did not establish lawful excuse, nor serve a NUI and COR and he was not claiming to be a Freeman.

Very different circumstances.

Rob

[helpus]

No.

If you had to choose between believing in God or compassion to your fellow man, go with the latter.
It is not the 'existence' of God, but them acknowledging their belief that God exists that provides the remedy.

Rob

PS - I have no idea what 'kip' is, so do not know if I succeeded.

succeeded hee hee? you in a competition? i'm not. kip means sleep

i refer to the UK version where to gain Freeman status over the monarchy, one must proclaim that God is our rightful giver and taker.

cheers rob, don't you dare mislead people otherwise youre a bad example...

sort of love you though, time to snooze

scott

[rob menard]

i refer to the UK version where to gain Freeman status over the monarchy, one must proclaim that God is our rightful giver and taker.

THAT'S THE FAITH!

Kip tight.
Rob

[goldman]

ROFL, LMFAO...is this a challenge, or simply threatening behaviour?
I can see you going a looooong way as a freeman on the land.

You seem to see this whole thing as a battle, which it isn't; it's a withdrawal from a corrupt life in bondage, to live a peaceful life alongside fellow man (or woman).

No; my God isn't a peanut butter sandwich, but I guess you know that already. 'My' God is within, but that's only my opinion.

For someone who trashes the concept so vehemently, it's really quite funny to see you then fawn in front of the Freeman on the Land, who has lost quite a bit and has endured an arduous journey to be here to even answer our questions.
What's your experience?
By what right do you monopolise the thread with your platitudes and insinuations that we're deluding ourselves?


I thought you said: "ASK QUESTIONS ONLY"


To f3man, helpus, goldman and others discussing the subject of freemanism here on this thread.

The thread was originally created so that Rob Menard could answer questions from people interested in the subject.
I in no way wish to curb your right to freedom of speech (indeed, I'd fight to the death to protect it, even if I didn't agree with what you were saying), however, this is not the place to do it.

There are other threads where the questions you are posing may be answered. May I ask that you post your questions on those threads or create threads of your own.

Please keep this thread free for questions directed to Rob Menard only.
It is the only way that confusion and a multitude of opinions may be kept at bay.

I repeat: I do not wish to curb your right to freedom of speech, or to express your opinion.

Thanking you in advance.


I only posted 4 posts, 2 of them were questions.
So shut yourself up moron.

[boots]

Rob

Have you heard of a freeman called Mark Pytellek/ Bortleis who lives in Australia?

Or what other freeman have you met in other countries?


.

[kblood]

HE did not establish lawful excuse, nor serve a NUI and COR and he was not claiming to be a Freeman.

Very different circumstances.

Rob

No Wesley Snipes is not claiming or trying to be a Freeman, but his point still related to this it seems. Is tax a voulentary choice or obligatory?

[boots]

No Wesley Snipes is not claiming or trying to be a Freeman, but his point still related to this it seems. Is tax a voulentary choice or obligatory?

From what I understand, and this relates to Australia is that any ACT that has been passed, has to have a preamble. Giving an out line of it's purpose.


None do :rolleyes: it would make people think whats this all about.

Maybe Rob could answer it better.

.

[rob menard]

From what I understand, and this relates to Australia is that any ACT that has been passed, has to have a preamble. Giving an out line of it's purpose.


None do :rolleyes: it would make people think whats this all about.

Maybe Rob could answer it better.

.

I think it is both. Becoming a person is voluntary; once you are the obligation is not so voluntary.

Rob

[f3dom]

If you had to choose between believing in God or compassion to your fellow man, go with the latter.
It is not the 'existence' of God, but them acknowledging their belief that God exists that provides the remedy.

Rob


Was it not Bush who stated that God wanted him to go to war with Iraq.

Think about that.

[ag3nt5mith]

Rob's correct about them acknowledging that God exists.

When I understood that the penny dropped for me, use THEIR WORDS against them. Instant remedy. Hmmm tasty...

@ Rob:

Hey dude.

Could you tell us a bit about your original source, the very first scrap of information that started you on this path?

Who's works did you first study?

Are any of your family also Freemen?

Did they think you were crazy when you started talking to them about it?

Currently I'm butting heads with my parents, they think I'm nuts.

What do you think the next step of the movement should be?

I think we have TPTB on the defense, we can't slow down now.

We should organize and implement an international society of Freemen where any Human can join the society, with this we may be able to turn this movement into a full blown peaceful global revolution and completely rout all the corrupt governments the world over.

How does that sound, eh?

Why break the system when you can take over it.

Lets get some Freemen into key positions.

Looking forward to your responses Rob.

Peace out. :p

P.s. It's more an evolution than a revolution really.

I love how love is in both those beautiful words.

[pleasuredome]

Rob,

you mentioned in bursting bubbles that you wanted the preamble read from the income tax act when you were at the tax office. what is the significance of the preamble? why was it they couldnt read it to you, and what is the significance in that?

[rob menard]

Rob,

you mentioned in bursting bubbles that you wanted the preamble read from the income tax act when you were at the tax office. what is the significance of the preamble? why was it they couldnt read it to you, and what is the significance in that?

The Preamble is where the intent of the makers of the statute can be fond and explains what the motive and reason for the Act is and is necessary to properly interpret an Act.

In Canada the ITA came in for WWI, and it states in there the purpose was to pay for the war. They have since quietly removed that portion, because if they didn't everyone would know it waqs being used well outside its stated intent.

Rob

PS- Paying income tax is like buying the ammo to go hunting with Dick Cheney

[rob menard]

Rob

Have you heard of a freeman called Mark Pytellek/ Bortleis who lives in Australia?

Or what other freeman have you met in other countries?


.

I have not heard of them.
I have not met any others form other countries personally, only through emails and other forums. They are out there, in far greater numbers then you realize and tptb do not want you knowing about it at all, let alone how quickly it is growing.

The path gets easier and easier every time someone takes it. The foot prints are the path.

Rob

[pleasuredome]

The Preamble is where the intent of the makers of the statute can be fond and explains what the motive and reason for the Act is and is necessary to properly interpret an Act.

In Canada the ITA came in for WWI, and it states in there the purpose was to pay for the war. They have since quietly removed that portion, because if they didn't everyone would know it waqs being used well outside its stated intent.

Rob

PS- Paying income tax is like buying the ammo to go hunting with Dick Cheney

i've been looking through all the current income tax acts on the a government website and their preambles all say that they are consolidations of previous acts. i can only go back as far as the 1952 act.

here are the quotes from the preambles i've found:

An Act to consolidate certain of the enactments relating to income tax and corporation tax, including certain enactments relating also to capital gains tax; and to repeal as obsolete section 339(1) of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1970 and paragraphs 3 and 4 of Schedule 11 to the Finance Act 1980.

An Act to consolidate certain of the enactments relating to income tax, including certain enactments relating also to other taxes.

An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to income tax on employment income, pension income and social security income; and for connected purposes.

there is no statement of intent, motive or reason given in any of the current acts.

does this mean i can demand a statement of intent, motive and reason? and if they fail to provide that, i am lawfully entitled to not comply with paying income tax?

[rob menard]

Will answer this one later. It was actually 8 years ago TO THE DAY that I began my studies.

What a trip it has been...


Rob

[rob menard]

i've been looking through all the current income tax acts on the a government website and their preambles all say that they are consolidations of previous acts. i can only go back as far as the 1952 act.

here are the quotes from the preambles i've found:



there is no statement of intent, motive or reason given in any of the current acts.

does this mean i can demand a statement of intent, motive and reason? and if they fail to provide that, i am lawfully entitled to not comply with paying income tax?

I would disagree and say that the preamble does in fact express a motive and reason, yet they do not say 'Our motive is...'.

Rob

[yozhik]

Something I have been looking at under the microscope is the matter of Trusts; due mainly to a post and link I have already placed on this forum, from tpuc. The pdf document essentially hypothesised that the crux of all matters was nearly all statutes and acts were decided on the basis of the trust agreement implied/construed that existed, with you either as the beneficiary or grantor. An interesting read!

Now I "see" it whenever I look at simple definitions ... for example, the following from Wikipedia for "breach of contract";

Contract law is based on the principle expressed in the Latin phrase pacta sunt servanda. Breach of contract is recognised by the law and remedies can be provided. Sometimes written contracts are required, such as when buying a house.[2] However, most contracts can be and are made orally, such as purchasing a book or a sandwich. Contract law can be classified, as is habitual in civil law systems, as part of a general law of obligations (along with tort, unjust enrichment or restitution).

The only time I have seen the term "unjust enrichment" is when pertaining to trusts and describes the crime of a beneficiary. i.e a Trust.

However, it also took me somewhere else ... Now, stay with me on this one ... ;)

Mentioned in this definition is the phrase pacta sunt servanda.
Pacta sunt servanda (Latin for "agreements must be kept"[1]), is a Brocard, a basic principle of civil law and of international law. The only limit to pacta sunt servanda is jus cogens (Latin for "compelling law"), the peremptory norms of general international law.

A peremptory norm (also called jus cogens or ius cogens, Latin for "compelling law") is a fundamental principle of international law which is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is ever permitted.

There is no clear agreement regarding precisely which norms are jus cogens — or indeed how a norm reaches the status of jus cogens — but it is generally accepted that jus cogens includes the prohibition of genocide, maritime piracy, slaving in general (to include slavery as well as the slave trade), torture, and wars of aggression and territorial aggrandizement.

Slavery is the systematic exploitation of labour. The 1926 Slavery Convention described slavery as "...the status and/or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised..." Slaves cannot leave an owner, an employer or a territory without explicit permission (they must have a passport to leave), and they will be returned if they escape. Therefore a system of slavery—as opposed to the isolated instances found in any society—requires official, legal recognition of ownership, or widespread tacit arrangements with local authorities, by masters who have some influence because of their social and/or economic status and their lives.

Is this not EXACTLY what we have now in our so called "modern society"? We have to seek permission to leave the territory, carry a passport and face deportation if failing to meet these requirements? :roll:

The question is; have we been guilty of giving our consent to this enslavement, which then, by its definition, is not slavery?
If we have placed ourselves within it voluntarily, for all benefits shiny and all privileges golden; then even though slavery by definition, it cannot be by our application for this position.

However, take away the consent; what is left? Slavery by definition?
Would this argument also not provide remedy for the question of international travel?
The description from the 1926 Slavery Convention gave the example that a requirement for a man to carry a passport is evidence of a slave/master relationship. However, prohibition of slavery is generally recognised as one of the peremptory norms; "a fundamental principle of international law which is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is ever permitted."

Could this be the Freeman remedy?

[boots]

The question is; have we been guilty of giving our consent to this enslavement, which then, by its definition, is not slavery?
If we have placed ourselves within it voluntarily, for all benefits shiny and all privileges golden; then even though slavery by definition, it cannot be by our application for this position.

I dont think we have given our consent because they have tricked us with the birth certificate,. which is a contract to the state/Maritime Law and for a contract to be binding you would have to give expressed consent, written or verbal.
However "ignorance is no excuse of the law".


However, take away the consent; what is left? Slavery by definition?
Would this argument also not provide remedy for the question of international travel?

Yes it would, because in all cases they MUST provide a "remedy"


The description from the 1926 Slavery Convention gave the example that a requirement for a man to carry a passport is evidence of a slave/master relationship. However, prohibition of slavery is generally recognised as one of the peremptory norms; "a fundamental principle of international law which is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is ever permitted."

Could this be the Freeman remedy?

Yes it is and this is why we can notify those countries we are leaving and those that we are going too. The intention to travel.


.

[boots]

I think it is both. Becoming a person is voluntary;
Rob

Yes it would be voluntary but we were not told that it was a contract when we were given a Birth Certificate.:(


once you are the obligation is not so voluntary.

No:( the game is in there favor because we have given our consent by our silence and not knowing the law's of contract. Wesley had to fall down because he was not a freeman and was still a "person" tied to the system or contract law.



______________________

[boots]

I have not heard of them.
I have not met any others form other countries personally, only through emails and other forums. They are out there, in far greater numbers then you realize and tptb do not want you knowing about it at all, let alone how quickly it is growing.

The path gets easier and easier every time someone takes it. The foot prints are the path.

Rob


Bloody Oath,

Like attracts a like and I'm seeing it everywhere and growing as more people are waking up too this. It's only fear of the unknown that stops people from investigating this.

We learn from example and success, and learn from other's failer's.

The pen is mightier than the sword.


__________

[snapperhead]

Yes, Yes, please do provide a general overview. I have read stuff here and there and find the material a bit fanciful, but I would imagine our form of government is fanciful to those who profit from our blind obedience.:cool:

Additionally, what about those who have found themselve doubly governed by parole or probation? :) Those things are forced contracts and are one of the most obvious governmental activities that shows all our rights or lack thereof are just agreements.:(

[boots]

Yes, Yes, please do provide a general overview. I have read stuff here and there and find the material a bit fanciful, but I would imagine our form of government is fanciful to those who profit from our blind obedience.:cool:

Have a look at the American thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44770 or this one By a Canadian lady http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32509

Additionally, what about those who have found themselve doubly governed by parole or probation? :) Those things are forced contracts and are one of the most obvious governmental activities that shows all our rights or lack thereof are just agreements.:(


It they were in contract when a person was given judgements they i suppose they would have to comply but when you are a freeman then you might not, providing you dont break civil law's or common laws.

[dondaz]

Hey, 12.999 views. I just knocked it over to 13.000. 13, lucky for some.

1 sperm (13 chromosomes) + 1 Ovum (13 chromosomes) = 26 (zygote)

A+B+C+D+E+F+G+H+I+J+K+L+M+N+O+P+Q+U+R+S+T+U+V+W+X+ Y+Z=26

(Thirteen) + (Thirteen) = 26

Erm, sorry, off topic:rolleyes:

[duckingdafta]

Hey, 12.999 views. I just knocked it over to 13.000. 13, lucky for some.



Erm, sorry, off topic:rolleyes:

;)
Oct. 21, 2011 is a day the Mayans have numbered:
13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13. Whats amazing about this number is that it is the most significant number in the bible. It represents ‘Super Perfection’. Like the 12 apostles plus Christ. The number 10 in the bible always represents completeness. So the Mayans number 13 ten times would represent “Super Perfection in all its completeness” or you could simply say “It is finished”.

[captaincaper]

I got married just b4 getting into the freeman stuff and was told we would have to re-register our kids, needless to say we didn't does that make them freemen/children already? (I highly doubt it:))

[pleasuredome]

I got married just b4 getting into the freeman stuff and was told we would have to re-register our kids, needless to say we didn't does that make them freemen/children already? (I highly doubt it:))

it's an interesting point you raise that we need to know about. i'm looking forward to the answers. i was thinking that the parents take responsibility for them, so i would have thought it would depend on the status of the parents, but i could be wrong. it would be interesting to know if the child has a legal fiction or not :)

[wellsyboy]

Just a quick question on the registration of children. I asked Direct.gov via their contact section "Why MUST I register my child when born?" - no response, and "Does the Queen of England have a birth certificate?" - no response!

I recommend we all ask these same two fundamental questions and see what responses we get. I will be asking my MP and Council (who state on their website that we MUST register the birth of a child within 6 weeks).

According to the statute involved there is a £1 fine for not registering the birth of a child (although this may have increased to £200). Ask questions otherwise we remain in the dark ages!!!!

[yozhik]

Saw this in the "General" section of the forum ...



HOME owners who put a tree house in their garden will see their council tax bills rocket under Labour’s latest stealth tax on struggling families.

In an attempt to squeeze households for ever more cash, the Government will classify a tree house as a home improvement which adds value to a property.

The reclassification plan – confirmed by the Lords Minister for Local Government Baroness Andrews – will also see home owners charged more council tax for landscaping a garden, adding a conservatory or even living near a green space.

She told the House of Lords: “The test is whether the presence of a tree house would have any effect on the property’s capital value.” The tax raid on ordinary families forms part of Labour’s bid to raise more council tax by revaluing every home in England.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/74680

How much more enslavement are we going to take before we start to fight back?
:mad:

[pdcdp]

hi rob...

one thing which i feel i need to consider about all this - is it possible that this freeman 'solution' has been presented to us as part of a 'long game' plan to achieve a different goal?

being on this site you learn to question everything, and i feel it would be remiss of me to go ahead with my nuicor without first considering that maybe somebody stands to gain from people taking this route.

really, i'm not questioning your motives or the validity of the legal issues, but you're a smart chap who has clearly put a lot of effort into the subject so i guess you would have come across any such theories in your time. if so then maybe you could put them to rest?

the only example i can think of is this - what if masses of people eventually took the freeman route, only to be cajoled into demanding certain changes which could not be made under the commercial system... abolition of govt/monarchy/commercial law/whatever... which may give corporate/evil entities even more power over the people.

or maybe there could eventually be a corporate merger between the UK and Tesco's? making us the worlds biggest supermarket :p

if there were such a long-game in action, i wouldn't necessarily be put off the idea, but i would want to understand and thus avoid any future complications.

cheers,

pd.

[thetonic]

I got married just b4 getting into the freeman stuff and was told we would have to re-register our kids, needless to say we didn't does that make them freemen/children already? (I highly doubt it:))

dont think it matters mate as youve already registered them to begin with(probably at birth) and once you do that they are officially no longer your kids , they are the states... What I think they are referring to is the option for joint custody byt the parents... The government already owns your kids so they arent promoting the re-registering form them, its for the spouse

[thebarfly1]

Hi Rob, just doing a little bit of research as regards this movement's application in Ireland, and have come across an Irish act entitled, the "Stock Transfer Act, 1963". http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1963/en/act/pub/0034/index.html#zza34y1963

Within this act, there are forms set out which cites Registrars and Certificates (which have been lodged with the Registrar), the certificates are to be sold onto a Broker and there are various fields which are reserved for information as to which Stocks/Shares the "Security" will be transferred...

Now I dont know what the procedure is in Canada, but when somebody completes a birth CERTIFICATE here, it is then signed and filed by a REGISTRAR... And i've noticed that my Driving Licence has a STOCK NUMBER.

Is this the legislation which outlines what the feckers have done with my birth certificate?

PS - "Feck" is a commonly used word in Ireland, used to repace the "F" word, because we're polite here ;)

Still doing a lot of digging on this subject, so hopefully you can let me know if i'm looking in the right places.

Peas

[tien an]

it's an interesting point you raise that we need to know about. i'm looking forward to the answers. i was thinking that the parents take responsibility for them, so i would have thought it would depend on the status of the parents, but i could be wrong. it would be interesting to know if the child has a legal fiction or not :)


I think if you follow this link you will find the answer to your question regarding offspring.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=642687&postcount=281

[tien an]

hi rob...

one thing which i feel i need to consider about all this - is it possible that this freeman 'solution' has been presented to us as part of a 'long game' plan to achieve a different goal?

being on this site you learn to question everything, and i feel it would be remiss of me to go ahead with my nuicor without first considering that maybe somebody stands to gain from people taking this route.

really, i'm not questioning your motives or the validity of the legal issues, but you're a smart chap who has clearly put a lot of effort into the subject so i guess you would have come across any such theories in your time. if so then maybe you could put them to rest?

the only example i can think of is this - what if masses of people eventually took the freeman route, only to be cajoled into demanding certain changes which could not be made under the commercial system... abolition of govt/monarchy/commercial law/whatever... which may give corporate/evil entities even more power over the people.

or maybe there could eventually be a corporate merger between the UK and Tesco's? making us the worlds biggest supermarket :p

if there were such a long-game in action, i wouldn't necessarily be put off the idea, but i would want to understand and thus avoid any future complications.

cheers,

pd.

Thanks for breaking the ice on this question, pdcdp, because I have been a little embarrassed about posing a similar question.
Having simply let my imagination run free for a moment, I imagined about 100,000 Freemen OTL 'liquidating' their bonds at one and the same time. This would be such a drain on the finances of the state, that they (FOTL) could quite conceivably, 'break the bank'...and own the state! What a situation!

Please tell me it's only my imagination...someone?

[grenadene]

Thanks for breaking the ice on this question, pdcdp, because I have been a little embarrassed about posing a similar question.
Having simply let my imagination run free for a moment, I imagined about 100,000 Freemen OTL 'liquidating' their bonds at one and the same time. This would be such a drain on the finances of the state, that they (FOTL) could quite conceivably, 'break the bank'...and own the state! What a situation!

Please tell me it's only my imagination...someone?


The Government hasn't got any money? Its all coming from private bankers so the breaking of the bank would be very nice. And the State is already owned by a small group of nasty men. Maybe these 100,000 freemen might get together and pay off the national debt, which would be very nice!

One of the prime points of Freemanry seems to me to be that you can't give other people authority that you don't have yourself. It's only a matter of time before conscientious souls start 'divorcing' themselves from the corrupt government and the trickle is well under way. I understand the scepticism but IMHO this is the real deal :)

I'll be interest to see what's Robs thoughts are on this.

[yozhik]

Don't worry about the money ... the politicians don't.
An official EU Report out last week shows that the EU Parliament "loses" over GBP 5 million per work day. Their report, their admission.

Yes ... you read that correctly ... they "lose" GBP 5 million per work day.

Unaccounted for.
Misplaced.
Whereabouts unknown.
Dress it up however you want ... the fact remains.

This level of gross negligence is from the people supposedly looking out for our interests?? Seems like they're looking after their own interests VERY well, while shafting you and me.

[pleasuredome]

hi Rob,

just out of interest, how would Martial Law, if implemented, affect how Freemen operate?

[tien an]

hi Rob,

just out of interest, how would Martial Law, if implemented, affect how Freemen operate?

Oh yes; very good question. I'd like to know too.

[samsonnait]

Hey Rob and friends,
I'm from the Netherlands and try 2 catch up with all the information as fast as i can.
i Would like to make this work in our country, but we dont have "common law". Is there an alternative too that you know of?
Puttin the pieces together in Dutch, my law books, you, and the internet make me hope this might work. Doubt that common law replaced by common sence, or human rights will do the trick? Any suggestions where to look?

Thanx 4 all you've done, and do
Youre a Hero!

Would like 2 add ive translated the Notice Of Understanding And Intent And Claim of Right ive found here on page 12 in Dutch. Had 2 stretch my brain really hard 2 make it plausible sentences in Dutch, and not all of it is usefull in Holland. Wikipedia was a great help in finding out the real meaning of some words.
Lookin forward 2 your advise on how 2 plaster the government out of my life. Have 2 work on my anger controll, thats for sure. But first things first do we stand a chance without "common law"?

[tien an]

Hey Rob and friends,
I'm from the Netherlands and try 2 catch up with all the information as fast as i can.
i Would like to make this work in our country, but we dont have "common law". Is there an alternative too that you know of?
Puttin the pieces together in Dutch, my law books, you, and the internet make me hope this might work. Doubt that common law replaced by common sence, or human rights will do the trick? Any suggestions where to look?

Thanx 4 all you've done, and do
Youre a Hero!

Would like 2 add ive translated the Notice Of Understanding And Intent And Claim of Right ive found here on page 12 in Dutch. Had 2 stretch my brain really hard 2 make it plausible sentences in Dutch, and not all of it is usefull in Holland. Wikipedia was a great help in finding out the real meaning of some words.
Lookin forward 2 your advise on how 2 plaster the government out of my life. Have 2 work on my anger controll, thats for sure. But first things first do we stand a chance without "common law"?


My knowledge of Dutch history is very limited, but you must have some ancient laws that were around before the Netherlands became a democratic state.
Look there.

PS The Netherlands also has a naval history that rivals the British. Search in your maritime and Colonial laws too.
Best of Luck.

[yozhik]

I borrowed the following from another post on the forum.
Rob has mentioned a LOT about the existence of the corporations as a catalyst for his Freeman work; the Anti-terrorist has also spoken about the corporate structure to government departments and police.

This is extremely relevant and may be of interest to many of you;

TERMS OF REFERENCE AND OBJECTIVES FOR 2008/09
FOR MINISTRY OF JUSTICE CORPORATE MANAGEMENT BOARD

Purpose
1. The Corporate Management Board exists to protect and enhance the reputation of
the Ministry of Justice. It does so by providing direction and managing performance
in policy and operational delivery in the Ministry of Justice.

2. The board is a corporate body. It operates within a framework of strategy and policy
agreed with the Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor. Its members take
decisions collectively and not as representatives of the business areas which they
lead.

Critical success factor
3. The board will have succeeded in its purpose if in 2010/11, measured by external,
independent review against a baseline of the Capability Review assessment of
December 2007, it has shown improvement overall and specifically against any
measure noted as requiring development or urgent development in that assessment.

Objectives for 2008/09
4. The Corporate Management Board will focus on key issues which are linked to the
reputation of MoJ:
• MoJ Vision – the Board will ensure that the Ministerial vision for the strategic
direction and scale of ambition for the department is clear and that it is
disseminated and understood by staff, stakeholders and more widely;
• Strategic Challenges – the Board will scan the horizon, identify, provide advice
to Ministers on and manage strategic challenges, risks and opportunities;
• Resource Allocation – the Board will ensure that Departmental resources are
allocated and managed according to Ministerial priorities for effective delivery of
outcomes, ensuring value for money;


• Organisational Capability – the Board will measure and manage proactively the
capability and capacity of the Ministry of Justice in terms of leadership and other
key skills, and will develop a clear accountability and performance framework for
departmental businesses;
• Performance Monitoring – the Board will monitor performance – including
progress on major change programmes – concentrating on key performance
metrics and risks of strategic concern to the Department; and will monitor and
evaluate board level actions and decisions by business areas, directing or taking
action where required.

Sub Committees of the Corporate Management Board
5. The following sub-committees support CMB in its delivery of the strategy, policies
and services agreed with or prescribed by Ministers.
• Change
• Corporate Audit
• Honours
• Investment
• People
• Policy

6. Their terms of reference/objectives for 2008/09 set out the extent of their delegated
powers to take decisions.

Source Post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=658478&postcount=2)

Ministry of Justice??? ... or Ministry of Commerce??

[beldazar]

Ive just ventured onto this thread, thanks to Sukyspook. I havent read all the way through but I find this all way too confusing!

How can I possibly become a freeman of the land when rent has to be paid, Im a single mum on benefits and have the brains of a slug? (no offence to the slugs out there)

Its not very often that I just want to lie down and beg for somebody to come along and rescue me but that is how Im feeling right now :(

[john67]

OK, this is some heavy stuff, but I think that i may be getting there ;)

these are my circumstances at present...

I am married with one child, on Incapacity benefit for 10ish years and live in a housing association house. The tenancy is in my wifes name and the benefits are in mine, (which can be easily changed).

I am going to have a go at becoming FOTL when i have studied enough to be able to stand up and put my point across in 'legalese'.

Could somebody please explain why Black's Law Dictionary 5th ed. is preferable to the latter ones?
Is Black's the best to get for an Englishman?

My wife thinks i'm mad, but then she thought that 18 months ago when i told her that the banks are going to fail :D

As for the people who want an 'A-Z' sort of thing or want it all on a plate, from what I have gathered you HAVE to do it YOURSELF because it is YOU who needs to stand up with the correct RESPONSE in the correct LANGUAGE when YOU are challenged. Otherwise you may as well hire a lawyer :rolleyes:

[wise haven]

Ive just ventured onto this thread, thanks to Sukyspook. I havent read all the way through but I find this all way too confusing!

How can I possibly become a freeman of the land when rent has to be paid, Im a single mum on benefits and have the brains of a slug? (no offence to the slugs out there)

Its not very often that I just want to lie down and beg for somebody to come along and rescue me but that is how Im feeling right now :(

Don't stress yourself out. The Freeman stuff does seem complicated to start with but don't worry. Part of the problem is getting to the point where your mind shifts from current belief and understanding of the law to a new one....in other words you have to keep plugging away until the penny drops. Then it all becomes easier.
When I watched the Rob Menard video my thought was "WTF is he talking about" but I persevered and it all started to fall into place. It ain't easy to start with but it does get better.

Yep! life does get in the way - but that will continue to be the case until you can change that. I'm not being dismissive, just pointing out the practical reality.

If we don't do anything different - nothing will change :)

[wise haven]

OK, this is some heavy stuff, but I think that i may be getting there ;)

these are my circumstances at present...

I am married with one child, on Incapacity benefit for 10ish years and live in a housing association house. The tenancy is in my wifes name and the benefits are in mine, (which can be easily changed).

I am going to have a go at becoming FOTL when i have studied enough to be able to stand up and put my point across in 'legalese'.

Could somebody please explain why Black's Law Dictionary 5th ed. is preferable to the latter ones?
Is Black's the best to get for an Englishman?

My wife thinks i'm mad, but then she thought that 18 months ago when i told her that the banks are going to fail :D

As for the people who want an 'A-Z' sort of thing or want it all on a plate, from what I have gathered you HAVE to do it YOURSELF because it is YOU who needs to stand up with the correct RESPONSE in the correct LANGUAGE when YOU are challenged. Otherwise you may as well hire a lawyer :rolleyes:
Don't quote me on this - but, as incapacity benefit is essentially health insurance that you payed for up front before you became ill it cannot be stopped unless you are deemed well enough to work again. The clue is the fact that it is a non means tested benefit - therefore you could be a millionaire and still be eligible to claim.
Other benefits, however, are means tested and have conditions attached - ie. you have to sign on every 2 weeks.
As a consequence becoming a FOTL will not affect your IB but will affect other benefits (council tax and housing benefit) and your wife's benefit if she is claiming.
You have to decide if you want to stay in the system and be given privileges and benefits - or step out of the system and regain your rights and lose those fallback protections ie. Job seeker allowance and all the other benefits.

re. Blacks Law - I have the latest edition (8) and it suits me well. Though there are some differences in definitions for legal terms which seem to have changed. When older laws were written the terminology and definitions would have been pertinent to the time of writing. Any new laws written now will use definitions from the 8th edition.
I also have the Oxford law dictionary (not as comprehensive as Black's) but nevertheless still useful.
When I got into the Freeman route I also started studying law as seen from the "normal viewpoint" which is helpful as it puts the Freeman concept into context......it is valid.

About 18 months/2 years ago I got an email from a friend in the US who had been sent it from someone else. It was incredible....a full breakdown of the economic system and the reasons why it was going to fail - and when. An amazingly prescient bit of very comprehensive information.
As a result I have been watching all this come to be over the last couple of years and that email was spot on. Why couldn't all our financial wizards in government not see this happening - unless they closed their eyes and chose not to see it?
That was the trigger for me to start looking closer at the world and seeing with new eyes.
That is why I am working hard on the Freeman route - I wanna be free from the madness we take for reality....this is definitely an eye opener.

You are spot on - we HAVE to understand to be able to use the Freeman solution.....no monkey see, monkey do or A to Z crib sheets with this.
The mind shift needed to do this only comes about with researching and learning the subject thoroughly.
You can tell when people get it....they stop asking permission how to do this or that (in the legal system) and start telling the government what they are going to do Lawfully.
Rights are inalienable - you don't need to ask permission to use them.
Most people do not understand the fundamental difference between the UN universal declaration of human rights and the European Human Rights.
The UN declaration is recognition (not granting)of rights - no one can give you rights you already have they can only notice them.
Whereas the European Human rights are granting privileges (even though they call them rights) with conditions attached. If you look at the EU constitution (sorry treaty) and the section on Human Rights you will see that every so-called right can be rescinded, taken away at the whim and fancy of EU bureacrats whenever they decide.
Rights can only be taken away by force.
European rights (priviliges really)can be taken by force or statute. So, be careful what you consent to. If the UK becomes part of the EU we are effectively consenting to the swap of our rights and sovereignty for Eu privileges and benefits which can be taken away whenever they feel it is "in the best interest of the majority" and who is going to decide that....not you, that's for sure.

Food for thought hey?

[john67]

Thanks for that Wise Haven, definately lots of food for thought :cool:

[wise haven]

Thanks for that Wise Haven, definately lots of food for thought :cool:

Ooh! have a banana ;)

[john67]

If i have got this right, and i am trying to 'simplify' this as a way of explaining, is that a FOTL is exempt from acts/statutes by default.

BUT you don't have to be FOTL to use the same arguments when confronted with an act/statute as long as you dissaociated(?) from THE PERSON?

shit i hope that makes sense, that took ages to word :mad:

[lesactive]

If i have got this right, and i am trying to 'simplify' this as a way of explaining, is that a FOTL is exempt from acts/statutes by default.

BUT you don't have to be FOTL to use the same arguments when confronted with an act/statute as long as you dissaociated(?) from THE PERSON?

shit i hope that makes sense, that took ages to word :mad:

Basically, you're correct. I have successfully defended my body and person from intrusion without having made a lawful claim via NoUI and a CoR first. It depends how quick you are on your feet and how firmly you grasp the basics. Those guys can't handle logic.

Making a prior claim sets up a lawful basis for your actions, which is what Rob recommends, and gives the added security of knowing that they've already tacitly agreed with your position holding you harmless to any statutory charge.

[john67]

Thanks for that clarification.

So you can basically 'beat them at their own game' albeit on a statute by statute basis as long as you can understand and deconstruct said statute.

Back to the beginning, (understanding legalese), but the woods seem somewhat thinner now.

Thanks to all contributers so far and esp. to Rob, (i watched the first and second lectures last night, excellent stuff :cool: ).

Onwards and Forwards...

[boots]

Basically, you're correct. I have successfully defended my body and person from intrusion without having made a lawful claim via NoUI and a CoR first. It depends how quick you are on your feet and how firmly you grasp the basics. Those guys can't handle logic.

Making a prior claim sets up a lawful basis for your actions, which is what Rob recommends, and gives the added security of knowing that they've already tacitly agreed with your position holding you harmless to any statutory charge.


You then have to Judge or whoever backed into a corner. Because you have made a legal standing with the authorities and you can sue them for injuries.


.

[vienna]

can someone post the precise steps needed in order for the average joe to become a freeman? if we streamline and simplify the process so many more would follow the route - the huge complexity of doing it (by design from tptb no doubt) is turning people off, people who have the right intention and heart but who lacki the time to study this in depth, like the thousands of hours Rob needed to commit

[john67]

can someone post the precise steps needed in order for the average joe to become a freeman? if we streamline and simplify the process so many more would follow the route - the huge complexity of doing it (by design from tptb no doubt) is turning people off, people who have the right intention and heart but who lacki the time to study this in depth, like the thousands of hours Rob needed to commit

The thing is mate, the only precise steps are that you must KNOW the law, to be able to respond to any act/statute that you coss with full understanding and be able to respond in thier language.

How can it be any good if you are in the middle of Shitsville, in the middle of nowhere, with three angry law enforcers with guns telling you that it is illegal to have that pot, and you don't know what to say?

YOU must do the journey.

hope that helps :cool:

(may the english/punctuation god forgive me)

[vienna]

The thing is mate, the only precise steps are that you must KNOW the law, to be able to respond to any act/statute that you coss with full understanding and be able to respond in thier language.

How can it be any good if you are in the middle of Shitsville, in the middle of nowhere, with three angry law enforcers with guns telling you that it is illegal to have that pot, and you don't know what to say?

YOU must do the journey.

hope that helps :cool:

(may the english/punctuation god forgive me)

yes for the process of dealing with them thats clear , I agree - asking them the old "are you acting legally of lawfully'" schtick

but I'm asking about the process of becoming a freeman i.e. getting the notary etc - so as well as your patter you need the papers

Im talking about the paper process

[friendsinthesky]

If i have got this right, and i am trying to 'simplify' this as a way of explaining, is that a FOTL is exempt from acts/statutes by default.

BUT you don't have to be FOTL to use the same arguments when confronted with an act/statute as long as you dissaociated(?) from THE PERSON?

shit i hope that makes sense, that took ages to word :mad:

The other day I was trying to cross reference words via the online law dictionary and a common online dictionary. It is interesting, start with person and corporation. You may not have to be a freeman, but know what it is you wanna do without being "persecuted".

[owltui]

Hi Rob,

So great to find you and the others on this forum. I have been plotting my own course for a few years now coming to my own conclusions and realisations as I wake up to the truth of who I AM.

It is so good to find others who are on the same track, and well versed in the terrain. I have listened/watched your vids, and am digesting your Lawful Excuse book at present (great work!). The land is speaking to me through these bones to stand up and be counted as a Freeman-of-the-Land. This land was stolen and these statutes are not law. It is time to live the law of the land and live in harmony with the land and the beings that belong to it.

So I am the process of preparing to become a Freeman-on-the-land.
I have reworked a version of a NOU & COR that Kimboshi posted on another site. I have reformatted it so that it makes sense to me and flows logically.

I ask that you and the others here cast an eye over it and give me feedback.

I have some specific questions regarding it, namely:

1. I notice that some of you Freeman-of-the-Land's adopt a specific way of laying out your name, as in:
John-Fred: Doe
Firstname(hyphen)Middlename(colon)Familyname

Could you please explain the significance of this?

2. I need to operate a bank account in order to be paid for my services to clients. They need to be able to deposit into an account as they currently do now.
Is it prudent to include in the Claim of Right the right to have a bank account (albeit in the name of the STRAWMAN) for the purpose of collecting payment for services, without being penalised for this?

3. Is it essential to have Notary Public in order to attest/verify the notice? Seems all the ones I have looked into here in Oz are tied to Law Society as Lawyers.

Thanks and blessings to you brother, and all the good folk in this forum, for all that you be and all your giveaways.

In service to the All,

Dan i el Silver Cloud
;);)

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Notice of Understanding and Intent And Claim of Right

Whereas it is my understanding that the following are true:

Australia is a common law jurisdiction, and,
equality before the law is paramount and mandatory, and,
a statute is defined as a legislated rule of society which has been given the force of law, and,
a society is defined as a number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal, and,
the only form of government recognized as lawful in Australia is a representative one, and,
representation requires mutual consent, and,
in the absence of mutual consent neither representation nor governance can exist, and,
those who have a Tax File Number are in fact employees of the federal government and thus are bound by the statutes created by the federal government, and,
it is lawful to abandon one’s TFN, being Tax File Number, and,
people in Australia have a right to revoke or deny consent to be represented and thus governed, and,
if anyone does revoke or deny consent they exist free of government control and statutory restraints, and,
acting peacefully within community standards does not breach the peace, and,
any action for which one can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally lawful action, and,
a by-law is defined as a rule of a corporation, and,
corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties, and,
legal fictions lack a soul and cannot exert any control over those who are thus blessed and operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow soulless fictions to dictate ones actions, and,
I have a right to use my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it, and,
a summons is merely an invitation to attend and the ones issued by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission create no obligation or dishonor if ignored, and

Whereas a Freeman-on-the-Land has lawfully revoked consent and does exist free of statutory restrictions, obligations, and limitations, and,
Whereas I, Firstname-Middlename: Familyname am a Freeman-on-the-Land who operates with full responsibility and not as a child, therefore:

I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those who claim limited liability, and,
I claim the right to collect a pension if I have paid into it and claim that said right is not affected if I abandon my TFN, being Tax File Number, and,
it is my understanding peace officers have a duty to distinguish between statutes and law and those who attempt to enforce statutes against a Freeman-on-the-Land are in fact breaking the law, and,
I have the power to refuse intercourse or interaction with peace officers who have not observed me breach the peace, and,
permanent estoppal by acquiescence barring any peace officer or prosecutor from bringing charges against a Freeman-on-the-Land under any Act is created if this claim is not responded to in the stated fashion and time.


Therefore be it now known to any and all concerned and affected parties, that I, Firstname-Middlename: Familyname, declare myself to be a Freeman-on-the-Land and do hereby state clearly specifically and unequivocally my intent to peacefully and lawfully exist free of all statutory obligations and restrictions and maintain all rights at law to trade, exchange or barter.

Furthermore, I claim:

that these actions are not outside my communities’ standards and will in fact support said community in our desire for truth and maximum freedom, and,
the right to engage in these actions and further claim that all property held by me is held under a claim of right as mentioned in the CRIMINAL CODE - SECT 22, and,
that anyone who interferes with my lawful activities after having been served notice of this claim and who fails to properly dispute or make lawful counterclaim is breaking the law, cannot claim good faith or color of right and that such transgressions will be dealt with in a properly convened court de jure, and,
that the courts in New South Wales Australia, Queensland Australia, Victoria Australia, Tasmania Australia, South Australia, West Australia, Australian Capital Territory Australia, and Northern Territory Australia, are de-facto and bound by the Law and Equity Act and are in fact in the profitable business of conducting, witnessing and facilitating the transactions of security interests, and,
that the courts named in paragraph 4 above require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such services, and,
all transactions of security interests require the consent of both parties.

I do hereby deny consent to any transaction of a security interest issuing under any Act, for as herein stated, as a Freeman-on-the-Land I am not subject to any Act.

Furthermore, I claim:


my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is
TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOUR or portion thereof, if I am 
being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and 
TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUR or portion thereof, if I am
handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and Notarised consent, and
the right to use a Notary Public to secure payment of the aforementioned FEE SCHEDULE against any transgressors who by their actions or omissions harm me or my interests, directly or by proxy in any way, and
the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants who, having been served notice of this claim, fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms, and
the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is service upon both, and
the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture on video tape said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit.

Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action.
Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability and penalty of perjury and registered in the Notary Office herein provided no later than ten days from the date of original service as attested to by way of certificate of service.

Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgment and permanent and irrevocable estoppal by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute or Act against My Self Freeman-on-the-Land ______________________________

Place of claim of right: New South Wales, Australia
Dated: __________________________________
Claimant: ________________________________
Notary Public: ____________________________

Use of a Notary is for attestation and verification purposes only and does not constitute a change in status or entrance or acceptance of foreign jurisdiction.

==============================================

[friendsinthesky]

Hey owltui, that is some detailed "NOU & COR". But can I ask, what notary do you have in mind to sign?

[boots]

Hey owltui, that is some detailed "NOU & COR". But can I ask, what notary do you have in mind to sign?

I have heard that 2 notaries of good standing has more force than a judge.;)

.

[friendsinthesky]

I have heard that 2 notaries of good standing has more force than a judge.;)

.

Oh shit! Now you've thrown me. What do you mean by "good standing". Is that opposed to "under" standing? I'm extremely tired right now.

[boots]

Oh shit! Now you've thrown me. What do you mean by "good standing". Is that opposed to "under" standing? I'm extremely tired right now.

Tired me too.

Good standing, as in anybody that hasn't a criminal record, you know works, blah blah blah. It can even be your friends;).

.

[friendsinthesky]

Tired me too.

Good standing, as in anybody that hasn't a criminal record, you know works, blah blah blah. It can even be your friends;).

.

Oh ok and too be honest, that is Initially what I first thought you meant. Cheers.



P.S Don't anybody ask me to be a notary, I've been naughty.:o

[owltui]

Tired me too.

Good standing, as in anybody that hasn't a criminal record, you know works, blah blah blah. It can even be your friends;).

.

I see from Mark Pytellek's NOU & COI that the 2 notaries were not Notiaries Public. This has me thinking along similar lines for mine, as I am yet to find a Notary Public that is not a lawyer / in a solicitor's firm.

[boots]

I see from Mark Pytellek's NOU & COI that the 2 notaries were not Notiaries Public. This has me thinking along similar lines for mine, as I am yet to find a Notary Public that is not a lawyer / in a solicitor's firm.

It would be hard to find one that doesn't want to buck the system. They are like Monkeys. HaHa I like the thread started by Rob.

It' like this, they are witnesses and all are equal before the law.;)


.

[wacaday]

Hi Rob,

Great what you've done.
I am trying to find out, if as a freeman, I would be entitled to find a peice of unnoccupied land and make a home on it, i would intend to live ecologically in a permaculture environment, thus my food would naturally grow around me and have now need to be farmed, soil repleneshment would be natural.

Do you have any info on this, or maybe could point me in the right direction.

Help much appreciated.

Thanks

R

[infin8_possibility]

Hi Rob, good to have you here.

Dunno if this question has been asked before, not had time to scrawl through all 60 odd pages.

You say in one of your films that in Canada you can pay off a student loan using the numbers on a male/female's birth certificate. Could this be done in the UK as well as using the same technique to pay off an overdraft/claim back the illegal charges they steal from the account?

Cheers,

PS - your twisted humour has had me lmao on a few occasions! :D

[wasp]

i've been following and watching and want to start 09 off right
my question to you rob is how should one sign...By: or For: ???
i have not filed any paperwork yet but have been asserting myself
i would like to start by standarizing my own signature

thx rob

[rob menard]

Define what your signature evidences and go from there. Are you signing as a legal fiction in their arena of operations? If so, I would use For: but I would also reserve all rights and not sign if it was not to my liking.

Otherwise I am acting as a man, and sign as such. Not an agent for a fiction, and not the fiction either; just a man. In that case neither 'For' or 'By' is required.

Rob

[4879]

offtopic:

For you Mr. Menard

http://www.vimeo.com/2948781

[wasp]

since i see no traffic on this thread i'll ask another question of you Rob
when dealing with any "authority" or public worker are they obliged by oath
or law to provide thier credentials upon a demand or asking or do i need a notice ready?
this is in the land of Canada,ont

thx

[uncleknobhead]

Hi there Rob,
Just to say thanks for the Gabriel video, what beautiful words that i had never even thought about even though ive heard the song many times.
Thanks also for giving up your time to give us all info, humour and philosophy.


How much wealth does the man alone in his mansion have ?

[metagen]

Hey I live in Northern Ireland and we can have both an irish and british passport and we follow british law. If I were to become a freeman would i still be able to travel using my irish passport? Would I be affected differently if I became a freeman because I live in Northern Ireland?

[ghostdogg]

goodday to all ... just joined the forum ... first of all , I like to say thanks to mister Menard , for opening the eyes of so many people ... Your work and determination is something that can't be rewarded in any form ... well this is my situation ... i live in belgium ... WHERE do i start ? exuse my poluted englisch and ways of expression , because it 's not my native language !
Peace :):):)

[malvern]

Hey I live in Northern Ireland and we can have both an irish and british passport and we follow british law. If I were to become a freeman would i still be able to travel using my irish passport? Would I be affected differently if I became a freeman because I live in Northern Ireland?



stop thinking these are countries, when in fact they are companies, your question seems to be asking can you still use your irish strawman to travel.That the thing about being free, you have the choice , when, where and why you contract..... soon with Rob's cunning plan we might have a doc for travel set in place so that freemen travel without delay, tax and harm...the way it was and still should be ..... it's all yours, you are free ....which coat today mother, no i think that i will wear this one.


goodday to all ... just joined the forum ... first of all , I like to say thanks to mister Menard , for opening the eyes of so many people ... Your work and determination is something that can't be rewarded in any form ... well this is my situation ... i live in belgium ... WHERE do i start ? exuse my poluted englisch and ways of expression , because it 's not my native language !


first i would research where they keep the records of birth and then in order of date other doc's that you ...MR STRAWMAN has in his name , the departments which hold the records , deconstruct what the records ....maybe then you might find a route ....
As for the set up of NOU and COR i do not know if you might have to send two , one to brussels and one to the local director of the company Belgium.... The EU, does not yet fully fully have it's laws in place in the uk so i have not looked too deep into the full power of thier contracts over the people of europe ....but thier is other members who have , who i hope will share with you.....
Remember that you are free first..........
good luck with your quest .




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[torchwood]

Hi Rob

i am new here and am doing all i can to educate myself on Englands common Laws , using the net , libraries etc . and my goal to help others be free and join with others in lawful rebellion i have learnt so much already , having worked in a former Police station 20 yrs ago i seem to get to grips with learning law with a passion , and am working on changing my mindset and it is working . i would hope to be an eventual freeman and peace officer in the freeman society , any advice you can offer in any area of things i will need to know , would be absolutely brilliant and as i learn i will pass on knowledge to others to help them in their quest for freedom . I truly admire the hard work you have done and the help you offer out , you re an inspiration to everyone and to those who have doubts and concerns , ask questions,seek advice , research , join forums that cover the topics , each other forum out there adds to your knowledge with real time advice and information

God Bless you Rob , and to everyone reading my post , stay focused , and persevere , the days of our endearment draw close

Paul

[ghostdogg]

@d mister malvern ...
thanksalot for the info ! i think that as long as the eu laws aren't official , eu has no say in it ... so the belgian compagny would do . i'll turn on a light on this matter ... another thing that stroke me ... seems that the way the name of the natural person' s name is written can matter as well ... a guy in holland pulled for defence that the way his name was written ... in CAPITALS didn't refer to his person ( witch is by my current knowledge normaly written in small, and falling under the common law ) If they resended him a new order but this time written with capital with alias , being " NAME LASTNAME a.k.a name lastname " he would sew there buts for fraude in writing , as no one has the right to create an alias for another person ... just a thought ... Peace :):):)

[wise haven]

AAaaaaaaaaagh!!

Stop asking for permission :D

Can I do this, can I do that. Claim your freedom back from those you loaned it to.

If its LAWFUL (and I don't mean legal) and does not harm anyone else - you can do what you want and go where you please.

[ghostdogg]

still a bit confused about the difference between LAWFUL and LEGAL ...
i looked into it in the dictionary ( in dutch )
Lawfull ... ACCORDING to the law, meaning in the way of how to accomplish...
legal ... permitted by the law, meaning not in offence with the law...

i could appreciate feeding me some back on this one ...
Thanks ...
Peace :):):)

[wise haven]

still a bit confused about the difference between LAWFUL and LEGAL ...
i looked into it in the dictionary ( in dutch )
Lawfull ... ACCORDING to the law, meaning in the way of how to accomplish...
legal ... permitted by the law, meaning not in offence with the law...

i could appreciate feeding me some back on this one ...
Thanks ...
Peace :):):)

OK - Natural or Common law - The basic principle foundation is that you do not do anything to another human being that will harm them, in any way (physically, or defame or libel their character) or take the property that they rightfully own (by theft burglary etc)And do not use mischief in your contracts (fraud, in other words)

In common law you can claim any right and unless challenged (counter claim) this confers a duty on everyone else to not impinge on those rights. Your rights end where anothers begin and vice versa. So, not forgetting your duty not to impinge on anothers rights you can do anything (apart from the ones listed above) and this is LAWFUL
So - Travelling in your personal conveyance (driving your car) is completely lawful and you do not need a license, road tax etc to do it.

Now - When a society is given consent by a majority of its members (Government and citizens) to make rules (statutes) it can do anything within its power to make and change any statute it so desires.
It can make something that is completely lawful (in common law) illegal by, for example, requiring its citizens to have a license to do what was previously completely lawful and had no conditions attached. A government, in theory can make any lawful activity illegal just by creating a statute that makes it illegal.
If I wanted to walk down the street eating an apple, this in itself has never been unlawful, and if there was a statute making a perfectly normal human activity illegal - I could be punished or fined for doing so.
A government could make murder legal even though it is unlawful in common law. A state executioner for example - or by declaring war it is giving legality to it's armed forces to murder.
Statute laws are the rules of a society that it's members have given consent to be bound by. If these statutes become too Draconian, the people, in theory, would vote out a government imposing this nonsense and install one that would repeal nonsensical statutes (wouldn't it be nice if that was true):D

Freemen are saying "no!, your rules are crap - the democratic process is corrupt and you are not following the rules yourself, I withdraw myself and my consent to be governed by this society,I'm off"

Sorry it is simple but it is too late to write an essay this evening :D

Enjoy

[ghostdogg]

Well ... ( Mister or Miss ) wise haven , i 'm gratefull for your time and energie that you 've given too me " as a breathing living being " for lighting my candle on this matter ! this is a great help ... THANKYOUVERYMUCH !
Peace and abundance :):):)

[wise haven]

Well ... ( Mister or Miss ) wise haven , i 'm gratefull for your time and energie that you 've given too me " as a breathing living being " for lighting my candle on this matter ! this is a great help ... THANKYOUVERYMUCH !
Peace and abundance :):):)

My pleasure - Simplistic, but covers the basic concept of Lawful/Legal I think.

With your gift of peace and abundance I am becoming a wealthy man - wealth in the form of human kindness is much more useful than fiat money don't ya think? :)

Thanks

[ghostdogg]

the Common law is partly unwritten as i understand and it's the law for uk and it's "usedtobecolonys" . in belgium ( weird ass , and very surrealistic country ) there's 2 different laws : groundlaw / constitution and statutairy law . My understanding is that the common law is an equivalent of a constitution, or isn't it . our groundlaw / constitution deals with the matter of how the compagny is arranged , divided and schould be run . and there's also art's on the rights of the individual ... so that's the one in my humble intelligence that i can use and were i schould walking under in claiming my " freedom !!! ( quote :mel gibson )"

Peace and cheese :D:D:D

[wise haven]

the Common law is partly unwritten as i understand and it's the law for uk and it's "usedtobecolonys" . in belgium ( weird ass , and very surrealistic country ) there's 2 different laws : groundlaw / constitution and statutairy law . My understanding is that the common law is an equivalent of a constitution, or isn't it . our groundlaw / constitution deals with the matter of how the compagny is arranged , divided and schould be run . and there's also art's on the rights of the individual ... so that's the one in my humble intelligence that i can use and were i schould walking under in claiming my " freedom !!! ( quote :mel gibson )"

Peace and cheese :D:D:D
You have introduced some excellent points to discuss. I am mainly concerned with English Common law - but very interested in the differences in law that impact our Europen cousins.

Haven't got time for a full response to your post - so will try to give you an answer this evening.

[infin8_possibility]

Hi Rob, good to have you here.

Dunno if this question has been asked before, not had time to scrawl through all 60 odd pages.

You say in one of your films that in Canada you can pay off a student loan using the numbers on a male/female's birth certificate. Could this be done in the UK as well as using the same technique to pay off an overdraft/claim back the illegal charges they steal from the account?

Cheers


Just incase you missed it.

[rob menard]

I Don't know. It would require for the UK to be signatories to a UN covenant where doing so was expressed as a right.

Rob

[infin8_possibility]

I Don't know. It would require for the UK to be signatories to a UN covenant where doing so was expressed as a right.

Rob

Cheers for the reply.

What would be the best way to find out?

[miked]

Cheers for the reply.

What would be the best way to find out?

If you need to point to someone elses body of words to prove you have rights is that not a privilage disguised as a right?

You need to know what your rights are and tell them!

Any perpetuation of the monetary system is a fraud.

I don't care about my birth certificate and how much it is 'worth'.

It's all piracy on the high seas.

The only thing we have to free ourselves from is our own ignorance.

Peace to u all

Mike

[arten]

It will happen. They will turn back in hoards, back to their rights, back to the land. They will hang lights in honour of their new found freedom, and night will once again be night, day will once again be bright and filled with the sounds of nature.
No more will "they" rule.
The air, clean and pure, will be breathed, and the grass will grow where their buildings once stood. People from all walks of life, equal and co-existing.
Money will be used to heat the fires, and the people will delight in it. They will throw off their clothes in defiance, along with the oppression and run free.



Don't ever lose sight of the fact that you're free to choose. It's your RIGHT.

[devanshoom]

allright mate...never heard of you before but right now watching your film magnificent deception. interesting thanks

[broccoligarden]

http://www.tpuc.org/node/412

This article portrays the Commercial redemption movement a "scam".
I have read Mary Elizabeth Crofts book and her blogs on her site and also watched videos by Winston Shrout, but have never heard of any of the people mentioned in this article.
The whole idea of Acceptance for Value, and the "setting off" seems confusing to me,but I have respect for anyone who has the confidence and the knowledge to do as they have done.

I would love to know what the general feeling is towards the article in the link above.

Ignoring any of the financial benefits of anything discussed above, I would just be happy to be a Freeman-On-The-Land:)

[comawhite015]

Is the computer and internet you are using to post on hamster powered?

I would like to find some form of freeman magical internet and computer combo. Advice, please.

[arten]

I wonder what DI Makes of RM I am watching his talk The Magnificent deception and he is putting across a serious message with great Humour. Just one thing Rob if Chess pieces cannot move it is a Stalemate LOL and the most important move in chess is Checkmate. At the start of the game you must make a grab for the centre by moving a centre pawn first. You cannot get your pieces out without making good pawn moves :D

[broccoligarden]

Well i'm guessing that its a good page to get quite a clear idea of how to use 'acceptance for Value' and 'setting off' debts.
no scam at all, any advice?:)
http://www.tpuc.org/node/412

[arten]

Baron: So I asked whether any QCs have agreed with any of these claims.

Why would any Barrister agree when they are part of the System set up with the sole intention of making you a Slave. If you don't want to be a Freeman then just carry on, give your mind away and give your life away.
I am not going to stand for their bullshit anymore I want to be a Freeman and in giving up their chains I will become so!
All Praise to God I Am :D

[arten]

Baron makes an interesting point, lawyers get paid to win cases and get their clients off the hook. Why don't they use freeman ideas?

Lawyers are paid to win cases whether those they represent are guilty or not. That is why we have innocent people banged up in Jail and guilty people getting off Scot Free, it is all a sick game to them.:mad:

[malvern]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1694
Baron makes an interesting point, lawyers get paid to win cases and get their clients off the hook. Why don't they use freeman ideas?

Lawyers are paid to win cases whether those they represent are guilty or not. That is why we have innocent people banged up in Jail and guilty people getting off Scot Free, it is all a sick game to them.


we all these days forget the facts........ Magna Carta...


"To no man will we sell, to no man deny, to no man delay, justice or rights. "

so in fact all the lawers should be removed from office and made to pay back the great sums of money they have faulsely taken, and as for delay...it's the legal systems middle name and if you have no money they will deny you......

so what was that you were saying.....?????


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[arten]

If everyone was a freeman, there would be no laws to responsibly adhere to, thus causing total anarchy?

For the freeman to peacefully exist someone has to be enslaved?


Political Anarchy is good and it is a Philosophy it does not mean Chaos as you have been falsely fed it means order between Freemen Who Are HONEST MEN :D

[ghostdogg]

Political Anarchy is good and it is a Philosophy it does not mean Chaos as you have been falsely fed it means order between Freemen Who Are HONEST MEN :D

right !!! anarchy is about freedom , SELFCONTROLE , and making people awair that a human's brain can be actually used to think and question that what is going on . and the most important thing here is that as an individual we set example by our deeds ! words only have an impact if they are in harmony with one's actions ... the usual game being played , is that the general public eats whatever they are fed ... stupidy can be accepted , not willing to educate yourself is a waste of braincells ... peace :):):)

[naturalcanvas]

Rob,

How does a blind man pick up dog poo?? :p

[rob menard]

Trial and Error and by using touch and smell.
Rob

[naturalcanvas]

Trial and Error and by using touch and smell.
Rob


hahahahaa.... very true, if you want to get rid of the shit then you have to be willing to get your hands dirty!
I have only come across freemman of the land this week and watched several videos you have done literally today! I HAVE BEEN IN HYSTERICS ALL DAY! I EVEN DID A DANCE! Oh how ignorant i have been... from this day forward i no longer see the world the same way. I already sense an almighty glow radiating from within :)
Well done you for having the bravery and insight to put it into action. Living proof that we CAN have freedom and independence. What a hero!!!
I personally have angry verbal disputes on a regular basis with ''pretend'' authority due to living by very strict rules they place upon you if you live on a boat on British inland waterways. I am persistently threatened with having my home destroyed for not moving every 14 days, even if i am 2 days over, due to severe weather conditions!! I no of 2 people within my community who have had there homes taken away and made homeless. I am scared and thats what they want. Could you advise me on what i should do first? Claim my freeman status or attack them with knowledge of laws? I have many hours of study ahead i know, but some basic insight into where to start would be much appreciated.Thank you and big squishy hugs x

[tien an]

This is great.
Welcome naturalcanvas! (I'm not a mod or anything, just the next to post)

Such a pain in the rear what you're going through there.
Who moves you on? The Police?
Or is the pretend authority some Council bod?

[rob menard]

Your first step will be to train your brain using LSAT's. Do them like people do crosswords until you are achieving 85%. Develop analytical reasoning, logical analysis and word comprehension skills.

Thank you for your kind words. I would love a pic of you dancing a little jig on your boat... Use it in my new movie.

Keep dancing.

Rob

[naturalcanvas]

This is great.
Welcome naturalcanvas! (I'm not a mod or anything, just the next to post)

Such a pain in the rear what you're going through there.
Who moves you on? The Police?
Or is the pretend authority some Council bod?

Hey! nice to meet you!
No it is our own British Waterways authority called a ''Patrol Officer''.(same as a parking warden) But in truth has no power at all as it happens hehheehheehe.... bet he wouldn't like it if i told him that piece of truth now eh?!
Ok.. so i will bore you with some finer detail... here goes

To have a boat on British Waterways ''property''and ''Water'' you must (well...with consent ) register your boat and have insurance and a boat safety scheme certificate to qualify for a license. Once you have these you may use there waterways with certain rules and regulations.
I am classified as a ''Constant Cruiser'' as i do not have a Residential or Permanent Mooring ( this is purely because there are no available ''Moorings''). So, because i do not ''choose'' to have a home mooring i am pushed into a different set of rules. ( notice ''choose''- i was never given a choice!).

As a Constant cruiser there are three main legal requirements:-

* the boat must genuinely be used for navigation throughout the period of the license
*unless a shorter time is specified by notice the boat must not stay in the same place for more than 14 days (or such longer as is reasonable in the circumstance); and
* it is the responsibility of the boater to satisfy (:eek:) BW that the above requirements are met

By ''Legal'' it means (as is written on the document):-Section 17 (3) (c) British Waterways Act 1995 states that BW may refuse a license (''relevant consent'') unless
(i) BW is satisfied the relevant vesse has a home mooring or:
''(ii) the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used in bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstance''

Failure to comply-
Termination of license which then makes me illegal so they can serve Notices under Section 8 and Section 13 of the British Waterways Acts 1983 and 1971 respectively.
Section 8 of the 1983 Act BW may remove said boat after giving you not less than 28 days notice. Furthermore, if the boat is a houseboat and you do not remove it within the time limit specified in the Section 13 Notice, BW may at any time thereafter remove or demolish it.

BW are extremely strict to say the least and we ( us water gypsy folk) know exactly why!! Residential moorings are now being auctioned off to the highest bidder for ''leisure only (non live-a-boards)'' purposes which mean the rich middle class boaties can take up what used to be ''Residential Moorings'' to rid of the community and generate more MONEY!! One by one as live-a-board folk leave BW sell them off... our traditional community is disappearing fast. Of course BW would never admit this publicly. We are on waiting lists that don't exist, a friend of mine has been one one for 7 years!! I have not even bothered to apply.
SO, every 14 days i get further and further away from my place of work and community. Recently i have been threatened again even though the weather has been terrible. They want you to feel harassed so you move off the water completely, simple.

Feel sad now :( but hey there are great things to come! That i am sure of! :D

[naturalcanvas]

Your first step will be to train your brain using LSAT's. Do them like people do crosswords until you are achieving 85%. Develop analytical reasoning, logical analysis and word comprehension skills.

Thank you for your kind words. I would love a pic of you dancing a little jig on your boat... Use it in my new movie.

Keep dancing.

Rob

Thanks for that Rob!

So what are LSAT's?
Lets
Sit
And
Talk

HA... only kidding... i would rather do a little jig on my roof, after i serve my affidavit to the Queen, right in view of the ''Patrol Officer'' with a big bottle bubbly and a massive grin :D

[tien an]

Hi again.

Couldn't you just move for 12 - 24 hours and come back again?

Why don't you get together with others and buy your own moorings, preferrably with dry dock and warehouse facilities?

I'm only half-kidding there; think about it...

There must be plenty of just that sort of property on the market going cheap right now.

It's just a thought.

Are you really a gypsy? Or was that just an expression you used?
I ask only because I've got quite a few pertinent questions for gypsies in general...only wondering.

Hey, there's an interesting point here: (Rob, I wouldn't mind your opinion on this too...)
Naturalcanvas lives in a VESSEL, which sits on the WATER, which is the jurisdiction of MARITIME LAW.
I fear, without qualification, that common law may not apply to you since it is the commonly accepted law of the land.

Whether the inner waterways fall under that jurisdiction or not, I don't know, but I can imagine they do...they were conceived of, designed and constructed for, driven by...commerce.


As for the LSAT's, if you follow the link below...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652652&postcount=1

Heavenly Peace.

[the john galt]

Hellooo, mr rob.
I'm fairly young and I've just started getting into this stuff.
I'm having some trouble though, I went to talk to a cop at the station and he couldn't confirm many of the main things i've seen on your videos. I'm gonna try and go see a Notary tomorrow and maybe talk to a lawyer or a judge sometime soon.

I found this (http://www. ******************. com/forum1/message512768/pg1) I think you wrote it. I'm wondering how I can get this to be applicable to Prince Edward Island law. I'm not certain how to go about becoming a Freeman, probably a case of something being so simple that its hard to believe.

Also I'm wondering how easy it is to get a job as a freeman. Many say that if you do not have a SIN you cannot work and it is illegal for someone to hire you. They would have to pay you under the table.

Maybe you could answer some of my questions pweeease? : D

[yozhik]

Also I'm wondering how easy it is to get a job as a freeman. Many say that if you do not have a SIN you cannot work and it is illegal for someone to hire you. They would have to pay you under the table.


Hi :)

Obviously I'm not Rob, but I'd like to reply to this portion of your post.

You may choose not to be employed; but you can be party to an individual contracted. This is most definitely not illegal.

Consider any business supplier; be it for stationery, coffee, furniture, etc.
They do not have to be "employed".
Their service is contracted.

Think of the advantages for the business that contracts you!
No paperwork re: taxes or SIN.
Less time for admin staff dealing with P.A.Y.E.
No contributions to the government for your SIN.

It actually saves them money too.

The main objection or hurdle you will face is overcoming the misinformation they have been given - that we all have been given - regarding "needing an SIN number to be employed".
Perfect example of this programming/propaganda is your statement; it is illegal for someone to hire you.

This simply is not true.
However, don't blame someone if they tell you this and don't get aggressive with any admin staff that looks you in the eyes and says this to you.
They are not intentionally lying to you.
They are repeating the disinfo they have been programmed to repeat.


.

[the john galt]

So what do you do to get an individual contract with a person or a company?

[the john galt]

Just an update, I was talking to a lawyer and she had no idea what I was talking about. She said I'd need someone who dealt with constitutional law and she doesn't know of anyone I could talk to.

Also, aparently there are no Notary Publics on Prince Edward Island, the lawyers are the notarys... so i dunno

I'm getting a little confused here. Not sure what to do haha.

[sindakit]

Hi :)

Obviously I'm not Rob, but I'd like to reply to this portion of your post.

You may choose not to be employed; but you can be party to an individual contracted. This is most definitely not illegal.

Consider any business supplier; be it for stationery, coffee, furniture, etc.
They do not have to be "employed".
Their service is contracted.

Think of the advantages for the business that contracts you!
No paperwork re: taxes or SIN.
Less time for admin staff dealing with P.A.Y.E.
No contributions to the government for your SIN.

It actually saves them money too.

The main objection or hurdle you will face is overcoming the misinformation they have been given - that we all have been given - regarding "needing an SIN number to be employed".
Perfect example of this programming/propaganda is your statement; it is illegal for someone to hire you.

This simply is not true.
However, don't blame someone if they tell you this and don't get aggressive with any admin staff that looks you in the eyes and says this to you.
They are not intentionally lying to you.
They are repeating the disinfo they have been programmed to repeat.


.

anyone got info on how to get a company to pay as contract for hire rather than thru PAYE? what forms need to be filled in by myself and my company once i abandon my NI/SIN etc(i'm asking UK specific but if info for other countries it would be nice to see that info too)

[rob menard]

In Canada, I would just use a private two party contract that releases them of liability to collect and pass on the taxes and payments. By claiming the right to administer our own affairs we tell them that we will remit the taxes and pension payments as they are required. What we don't tell them, cause it isn't their business, is that we will be engaging in an activity that will release us from those obligations.

[yozhik]

anyone got info on how to get a company to pay as contract for hire rather than thru PAYE? what forms need to be filled in by myself and my company once i abandon my NI/SIN etc(i'm asking UK specific but if info for other countries it would be nice to see that info too)

I would just use good ol' common sense.
It's your contract for your labour, so it can pretty much say what you want.
As a foundation, it might be worthwhile looking at some typical supplier contracts.

Best thing, as a first step, might be to call Citizens Advice Bureau.
They might have some basic templates or at least have an idea how or where to start.

You also do not require a company; in fact, this probably defeats the whole purpose.
If I look at this logically, the moment you assign a company to represent you and your labour, you're right back into the world of commerce and taxation again.

This is about a living soul, entering a contract as a responsible adult, for his sweat equity. You are not asking for benefits and privileges from an employer; you are handling your own affairs.


.

[the john galt]

In Canada, I would just use a private two party contract that releases them of liability to collect and pass on the taxes and payments. By claiming the right to administer our own affairs we tell them that we will remit the taxes and pension payments as they are required. What we don't tell them, cause it isn't their business, is that we will be engaging in an activity that will release us from those obligations.

Oh right. And how do you go about setting this up? (Googled it, couldn't find anything)

[astrochicken]

Quick question:
Is there a german equivalent and is there anybody here familiar with it.

The government reckon they are due 60 grand in backtaxes (never ever paid) and it's now come to the crunch.

Up shitcreek but healthy and sound of mind.

[freemanpete]

Just an update, I was talking to a lawyer and she had no idea what I was talking about. She said I'd need someone who dealt with constitutional law and she doesn't know of anyone I could talk to.

Also, apparently there are no Notary Publics on Prince Edward Island, the lawyers are the notarys... so i dunno

I'm getting a little confused here. Not sure what to do haha.

Well, I would refrain from even talking to a lawyer. They are used for conflict and are not there to help.

No Notary where you are? Try this...
http://notaryfind.com/locator/index.php

[sindakit]

I would just use good ol' common sense.
It's your contract for your labour, so it can pretty much say what you want.
As a foundation, it might be worthwhile looking at some typical supplier contracts.

Best thing, as a first step, might be to call Citizens Advice Bureau.
They might have some basic templates or at least have an idea how or where to start.

You also do not require a company; in fact, this probably defeats the whole purpose.
If I look at this logically, the moment you assign a company to represent you and your labour, you're right back into the world of commerce and taxation again.

This is about a living soul, entering a contract as a responsible adult, for his sweat equity. You are not asking for benefits and privileges from an employer; you are handling your own affairs.


.


Sounds fairly managable. I'll ask Citizens Advice Bureau next week and see what they're saying to it.

The only other problem I forsee is collecting payments. I doubt my employer would pay cash in hand (I work for *cough*tesco*cough* :o ) and, since it's a strawman as the name on the bank account, would that not again tie me into the commercial play area.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but if I declare myself freeman and not the strawman does that mean I cannot use the strawman or do I simply take full control.

[the john galt]

Well, I would refrain from even talking to a lawyer. They are used for conflict and are not there to help.

No Notary where you are? Try this...
http://notaryfind.com/locator/index.php

I put in my zip code and it showed no results.
Like I said, my province literally has NO notarys. When I called the provincial questioning thingy (forget real name) they told me that there are none and that all lawyers on PEI act in place of notarys. And you`re right, she was no help to me at all, right away she asks what the conflict is and who was the other party.

I have a Notice of Intent and Claim of Right all set up, I`m gonna print it off and maybe take it to a lawyer and make them act as a notary and sign it, the I`ll send it to multiple people. Hopefully I can still go to highschool.

[tom bombadil]

Sounds fairly managable. I'll ask Citizens Advice Bureau next week and see what they're saying to it.

The only other problem I forsee is collecting payments. I doubt my employer would pay cash in hand (I work for *cough*tesco*cough* :o ) and, since it's a strawman as the name on the bank account, would that not again tie me into the commercial play area.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but if I declare myself freeman and not the strawman does that mean I cannot use the strawman or do I simply take full control.

I am interested in your quest young man, as I am on the same road with my employer.

I think that (although we may baulk at it at first) the way to go in our situation is to pay the tax and get a tax refund at the end of the tax year.

Remember that we are not here to make waves but to politly inform those that know not of what we are about.

When we get the tax return issue sorted, only then would I ask my employer to not pay my 'tax' for me but to allow me to do it myself.


Tom.

[freemanpete]

Ok, know any ships captains?
They Notarise stuff, in their log book. They have a stamp and can sign docs.
Even marry you if you like.
I watched a youtube vid somewhere, where a freeman used a ships captain.
Go out to sea, have him witness it, and have that logged in his book as well.
Or travel to a larger city once you have the correct paper work, and get it done there.
Or under common LAw, have 2 independent witness's autograph it, and then have another serve it, at the same time, registered post.

There are many ways to find remedy, if you ret hard enough.

Good luck bro.

[naturalcanvas]

Hi again.

Couldn't you just move for 12 - 24 hours and come back again?

Why don't you get together with others and buy your own moorings, preferrably with dry dock and warehouse facilities?

I'm only half-kidding there; think about it...

There must be plenty of just that sort of property on the market going cheap right now.

It's just a thought.

Are you really a gypsy? Or was that just an expression you used?
I ask only because I've got quite a few pertinent questions for gypsies in general...only wondering.

Hey, there's an interesting point here: (Rob, I wouldn't mind your opinion on this too...)
Naturalcanvas lives in a VESSEL, which sits on the WATER, which is the jurisdiction of MARITIME LAW.
I fear, without qualification, that common law may not apply to you since it is the commonly accepted law of the land.

Whether the inner waterways fall under that jurisdiction or not, I don't know, but I can imagine they do...they were conceived of, designed and constructed for, driven by...commerce.


As for the LSAT's, if you follow the link below...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=652652&postcount=1

Heavenly Peace.

Hey,

I could not move every day or two simply because is very time consuming and i am also not allowed to ''bridge hop''. wardens patrol every week and note down on there computer thingy where you are. No escaping them i am afraid!
Buying some land with the rights to end of property mooring are also rare. Great idea tho! Maybe one day ...
I am not a true gypsy but we are called water gypsy's by other people. I am just a self-employed, pink haired woman with dreams of being truly free! :D
I would be very very interested to know if BW are Maritime law??? Ive googled it but nothing came up... will have to do more digging.
ROB! Any knowledge on that one?

[naturalcanvas]

I found this. What i find interesting is in the 2nd paragraph it says ''The British Waterways Board was CREATED by the Transport Act 1962 and in 1963 ASSUMED control of the inland waterways ASSETS of the British Transport Commission'' ahhhhh the stench of white coller crime!

So there we have it, its a statutory corporation! Im now going to shuffle off and do some research as to what statutory corporation really is and try to break it down into simple terms... Anybody else like to share some Knowledge??


British Waterways is a statutory corporation wholly owned by government.[1] It is the navigation authority in England, Scotland and Wales for the vast majority of the canals, and also some rivers and docks. It is sponsored by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) in England and Wales, and by the Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning Department in Scotland.[2]

The British Waterways Board was created by the Transport Act 1962 and in 1963 assumed control of the inland waterways assets of the British Transport Commission, itself set up on nationalisation of the railways in 1947.

[yozhik]

I found this. What i find interesting is in the 2nd paragraph it says ''The British Waterways Board was CREATED by the Transport Act 1962 and in 1963 ASSUMED control of the inland waterways ASSETS of the British Transport Commission'' ahhhhh the stench of white coller crime!

So there we have it, its a statutory corporation! Im now going to shuffle off and do some research as to what statutory corporation really is and try to break it down into simple terms... Anybody else like to share some Knowledge??


British Waterways is a statutory corporation wholly owned by government.[1] It is the navigation authority in England, Scotland and Wales for the vast majority of the canals, and also some rivers and docks. It is sponsored by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) in England and Wales, and by the Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning Department in Scotland.[2]

The British Waterways Board was created by the Transport Act 1962 and in 1963 assumed control of the inland waterways assets of the British Transport Commission, itself set up on nationalisation of the railways in 1947.

There is something in the back of my head telling me that inland water is defined as a highway.
I can not confirm this as fact - it's just a memory I have, from research undertaken so far.
If this is the case, there might be remedy in the Right to travel freely on the highways.
I say might, because I'm not sure what the right of travel has to do with travelling with zero momentum :D ... I mean, if you can put forward an argument that staying still is travelling, there might be something in it for you.

As I said - its nagging in the back of my mind.
Nothing more than that to support it- sorry.
Worth doing some research though.

If the rules preventing you are statutes, then the remedy might be to trump it with a higher law - that being your unalienable right to travel freely on the highways.

Peace and respect.


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[the john galt]

Been thinking lately.

Would becoming a freeman on the land/sovereign (whatever) make it so that I would no longer be able to recieve free education. The only disadvantage i see is being kicked out of my school or forced to pay a large sum of money so that i could attend. Also i wouldn't be able discharge my student loans when/if i go to college or university.

Whats the deal?

[arten]

Becoming a FreeMan if I understand this correctly means dropping out altogether from the society that is Slavery and based on Roman Laws.
Therefore once you drop out you then have no right morally speaking to anything that the system provides which includes things like education, medical assistance etcetra.
Someone said about this elsewhere that to become a FreeMan means being an Adult, one who can take full responsibility for what happens to ones self. This means having the ability to respond to any situation, therefore it requires forward planning.
That guy on you tube the one who wears the mask, said use the strawman to your advantage. :rolleyes:

[astrochicken]

Becoming a FreeMan if I understand this correctly means dropping out altogether from the society that is Slavery and based on Roman Laws.
Therefore once you drop out you then have no right morally speaking to anything that the system provides which includes things like education, medical assistance etcetra.


As i understand it, it also means limiting your freedom of movement to whatever continent (or island) you happen to be on, correct?

Unless you own a boat that is.

[arten]

As i understand it, it also means limiting your freedom of movement to whatever continent (or island) you happen to be on, correct?

Unless you own a boat that is.

No that is incorrect if Rob Menard is right you should still be able to travel although you maybe required to post a bond.

[the john galt]

As i understand it, it also means limiting your freedom of movement to whatever continent (or island) you happen to be on, correct?

Unless you own a boat that is.

Common Law Right to Travel?

[yozhik]

The main problem is not in the leaving ... it is in the arrival and entry into the destination.
It has been suggested that having an invitation from the intended destination will probably improve your chances.
It's also been suggested that if your NoIU and CoR is crafted appropriately, you can still possess a passport.
There is also another suggestion on the audio "The Strawman Illusion" by J Anderson, whereby he explains how his passport has been crafted in a way to still preserve the separation between living soul and person.

Peace and respect.


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[the john galt]

Hmm. I don't think want to be a freeman until i get all my education. However...Is it possible to deny consent to certain statutes? (e.g. income tax act, motor vehicle act, criminal code act, etc.) Maybe use a KoI&CoR to make these specific revokes?

[the john galt]

Here's a little letter I literally just wrote which i will be taking into my local MP's office. However, as you can imagine I would like to get some insight from those on this website and freeman menard (sorry for calling you mr. earlier....i didn't know). The letter is as follows...

"Dear, Honorable Gail Shea

I, Nolan Phillips am acting as representative of one NOLAN CARL PHILLIPS and hereby demand the return of the security, or 'bond', in the corporation CANADA which was registered to the formerly mentioned NOLAN CARL PHILLIPS on the date of February 21st, 1992. The tracking number of said bond is [bond tracking # Here]. I would like your assistance in contacting the appropriate persons so that this demaind will be met.

Nolan Phillips"



As you can see it's kind of a mouthful with me saying i'm the representative of someone with a name that is very simmilar to mine. Anyway. Anything to add? Remove? Change? i'd appreciate it.

[vladmir]

Take breaks from that by standing barefoot on the earth and feeling the sun on your face. If you are in the UK you may have to settle for rain and imagine the sun. It is a big ball of fire in the sky. :D Feel that YOU are the missing link and the only one between the sun and the earth.
Rob, are you a sungazer?

[rob menard]

Hmm. I don't think want to be a freeman until i get all my education. However...Is it possible to deny consent to certain statutes? (e.g. income tax act, motor vehicle act, criminal code act, etc.) Maybe use a KoI&CoR to make these specific revokes?

I would say no.

Imagine you are married. If you are married you have a spouse. Now if you are a married man, you are a man and a husband and if they come for the husband the man will look insane to say, "No the husband is an entity separate from me!" he can however distinguish between the two and through a divorce remain a man and lose the rights and duties that would be in place if he was still a husband. He may be able to threaten a divorce to get his way and get the rights and the duties modified.

Either you are associated or not. If so you will be seen as a person and your claim that they are two separate entities that exist simultaneously and can be switched for your ease and convenience and to avoid liability will fail.

I however could see using a COR to establish lawful excuse regardless of the relationship if you could claim necessity and no harm. I helped a guy do something like that because he was a postal worker and needed the SIN to work, and he merely considered it all as a part of his uniform.

Hope that helps.
Rob

[rob menard]

Rob, are you a sungazer?

I've seen it, but do not stare. It is simply rude I felt.

:D
Rob

[vladmir]

I've seen it, but do not stare. It is simply rude I felt.

:D
Rob
lol, i am just going thru this thread, have added your video 'Robs very cunning plan' in my downloads list and im just trying to absorb and understand all of this, and im very excited!
I keep remembering the Jordan Maxwell videos that i saw a year ago, where he talked about Law of the Land and UCC or Universal commercial code and also about admiralty law which is somehow taken from the sea and brought on land, which is why the american flags in the courts have that gold border around them??
err, as you can see all this stuff isint very clear in my head, but im working on it.

[yozhik]

lol, i am just going thru this thread, have added your video 'Robs very cunning plan' in my downloads list and im just trying to absorb and understand all of this, and im very excited!
I keep remembering the Jordan Maxwell videos that i saw a year ago, where he talked about Law of the Land and UCC or Universal commercial code and also about admiralty law which is somehow taken from the sea and brought on land, which is why the american flags in the courts have that gold border around them??
err, as you can see all this stuff isint very clear in my head, but im working on it.

All this Maritime, Admiralty, Sea, UCC, birth canal, dock = doctor, bench = bank, blah blah ... it used to do my head in.
The more I looked, the more I got confused.
It was like the never ending rabbit hole.

I think it is a necessary vortex we need to sucked into; if only to put us all through a violent rinse/spin cycle. :)

The rabbit hole I call my home now is decoding statutes and legalese; much less of a mind fuck, but still enough decpetion to make it read like a good action/suspense/thriller.

Remember the goal; know who you are.
Find your own truth.
Keep your eyes on the prize, or you can get lost in the maze.

[vladmir]

I hear what you are saying yozhik, wherever you turn,
you see lies and deception,
and then you realise that "fuck, you consented to all of it, unknowingly"
Thats like a 360 degree mindfuck right there.

I was just thinking about all those movies that i watched growing up, where the moral of the story is 'no mans above the law'........
and now im like, just hold on a frikkin minute....
First there is the Prime Cause that men call God'
and then there is Man created by him/it/her,
AND THEN are the man-made laws.
So, ALL MEN ARE ABOVE ANY MAN-MADE LAW, BECAUSE ITS MAN THAT CREATES MAN-MADE LAWS,
NOT LAWS THAT DICTATE TO MEN FROM SOME FICTIONAL HIGHER POINT.

Basically, im not going to kneel to any king, or president, or constitution, no government, and no national flag ( a nation is nothing but a corporation?!! :eek: )
The only 'contract' that i have, the only 'authority' i concede to is the Almighty Himself.
Now of course, i still have to grudgingly live in this bloody system even though my eyes are opening, but this will always remain in the back of my mind. for as long as i will live. I do hope to see the day when my people will wake up to the deception and burn the bloody flags and constitutions and all the fake promisory notes called money, and start afresh.
that day will surely come.

[dlb2007]

I hear what you are saying yozhik, wherever you turn,
you see lies and deception,
and then you realise that "fuck, you consented to all of it, unknowingly"
Thats like a 360 degree mindfuck right there.

I was just thinking about all those movies that i watched growing up, where the moral of the story is 'no mans above the law'........
and now im like, just hold on a frikkin minute....
First there is the Prime Cause that men call God'
and then there is Man created by him/it/her,
AND THEN are the man-made laws.
So, ALL MEN ARE ABOVE ANY MAN-MADE LAW, BECAUSE ITS MAN THAT CREATES MAN-MADE LAWS,
NOT LAWS THAT DICTATE TO MEN FROM SOME FICTIONAL HIGHER POINT.

Basically, im not going to kneel to any king, or president, or constitution, no government, and no national flag ( a nation is nothing but a corporation?!! )
The only 'contract' that i have, the only 'authority' i concede to is the Almighty Himself.
Now of course, i still have to grudgingly live in this bloody system even though my eyes are opening, but this will always remain in the back of my mind. for as long as i will live. I do hope to see the day when my people will wake up to the deception and burn the bloody flags and constitutions and all the fake promisory notes called money, and start afresh.
that day will surely come.

I have been thinking along the same lines since I converted to catholicism some 7 or 8 years ago.

Christ said Give unto ceaser what is ceasers and unto God what is God's

Everything comes from God, nothing is ceasers!

Even Ceaser himself comes from God.

Freedom from God = enslavement to Man
Servitude to God = Freedom from Man.

[arten]

Freedom from God = Servitude to Man
Servitude to God = Freedom from Man.

Replace Man with Ego and you get even closer to what is going on. Christ is not a man or woman but Consciousness itself and it is Consciousness from which everything else emanates.

[dlb2007]

Christ is our hope, his message is for the poor and downtrodden, so many do not know the message of Christ because they do not percieve their poverty or their slavery.

Christ is not a man or woman but Consciousness itself and it is Consciousness from which everything else emanates.

Christ became a man, in order to bring the Good news of salvation of freedom. That is why they killed him and why they are still trying to kill him today

"anyone who sin's is a slave to sin"

How many refuse to see the light of Christ because they are a happy in their sin, how many riddicule the Chruch for its "outdated" message - society offers us liberation from God, man is happy in his sin, but enslaved to those who offer the sin.

[yozhik]

That is one version of spirituality.
There are others.
The KJV and other editions are just that; man's editions of a story.

The truth is within; not in some printed, edited, manipulated, altered and distorted, written interpretation of heresay.

Let us hope your passion for your choice of deity can be bottled and transferred into your passion for freedom and liberation from the shackles that surround us.

Peace and respect.


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[dlb2007]

Just contemplating there.

Jesus gave many of his followers new names.

Simon Became Peter
Levi became Mathew
Saul became Paul

what is this new name all about?

Freedom from the old person, you become a liberated human being by the name God has given you.

In the Church we practice this through Confirmation, my name legally is David, but I am know to God as Peter. If David comes under the law of Man.... and Peter Come under the law of God, who then am I?

If I believe in God then I must be Peter for I will see no authority above God and If I believe not in God then I will be david for I will see no authority above man.

When the guards come to arrest me, whom do they arrest? David or Peter? for they have no jurisdiction over Peter and I am no longer David but have become Peter.

" a man can not have two masters" - JC

[arten]

Christ is our hope, his message is for the poor and downtrodden, so many do not know the message of Christ because they do not percieve their poverty or their slavery.



Christ became a man, in order to bring the Good news of salvation of freedom. That is why they killed him and why they are still trying to kill him today

"anyone who sin's is a slave to sin"

How many refuse to see the light of Christ because they are a happy in their sin, how many riddicule the Chruch for its "outdated" message - society offers us liberation from God, man is happy in his sin, but enslaved to those who offer the sin.

The doctrine of sin was written by Agustine to capture and mind control billions of people. Christ is Consciousness, and when we enter that state of mind, we then realise we are all the Sons of God. The Biblical Jesus was made up by the Anti Christ Roman Church. Christ taught that God is within you, the Roman church taught the exact opposite of that and claimed God is outside of you. The mind controlled robots of Christendom even today believe God is sitting up there on a cloud somewhere, of course that is how the ancient Greeks saw Zeus. Which is why through Christian iconography we have this indelible image of god/Jesus a white man with long flowing beard.
The Romans in distorting the True teachings of Christ were able to place an intermediary between God and Man whom they called the Pope. The so-called vicar of Christ on earth. What twaddel, if you want to know God then you only have to go within direct to the source, no need for a middleman to give u a garbled messeage telling you u are a sinner. :rolleyes:

[lumukanda]

this is something that i am thinking about more and more, but i have a question.

does it apply to any country?

i'm in south africa and i can find nothing about 'freeman on the land' anywhere! i mean it's not like i can go into home affairs and ask.

can anyone point me in the right direction here?

[dlb2007]

The doctrine of sin was written by Agustine to capture and mind control billions of people.

Sin was a concept of Judiasim long before Christianity.

Christ is Consciousness, and when we enter that state of mind, we then realise we are all the Sons of God.

We are sons of God, Adopted through the sacrafice of Calvery

The Biblical Jesus was made up by the Anti Christ Roman Church. Christ taught that God is within you.

how do you know what Christ taught without the bible?

the Roman church taught the exact opposite of that and claimed God is outside of you.

I am a Catholic and that is simply not true.

The mind controlled robots of Christendom even today believe God is sitting up there on a cloud somewhere, of course that is how the ancient Greeks saw Zeus.

Dont be silly, next you will be telling me we believe the devil is red carrys a pitch fork and has a barbed tail... dont be so foolish.

Which is why through Christian iconography we have this indelible image of god/Jesus a white man with long flowing beard.

Icons dont depitct they represent

The Romans in distorting the True teachings of Christ were able to place an intermediary between God and Man whom they called the Pope.

How do you know these "true" teachings?

The so-called vicar of Christ on earth. What twaddel, if you want to know God then you only have to go within direct to the source, no need for a middleman to give u a garbled messeage telling you u are a sinner

are you not a sinner?

[lookfar]

Guys, can we please keep on topic here and not go down the religious line if it can be avoided. Perhaps another thread would be more appropriate for that maybe?

[arten]

Guys, can we please keep on topic here and not go down the religious line if it can be avoided. Perhaps another thread would be more appropriate for that maybe?

In my Opinion Religion is part of this topic because all Organised religions is set up to destroy our Freedoms which we were born with. Robbing us of our Freeman Status I am sure Icke would agree; Religion is part of the problem not a solution to the problem.

[tien an]

this is something that i am thinking about more and more, but i have a question.

does it apply to any country?

i'm in south africa and i can find nothing about 'freeman on the land' anywhere! i mean it's not like i can go into home affairs and ask.

can anyone point me in the right direction here?

Hi lumukanda (what does that mean?),

I'd go to home affairs all right, and confirm that where you live is a 'Common Law Jurisdiction', that is to say that your legal system is built on 'case law' or 'jurisprudence', which means that previous cases of a similar nature are taken into consideration when deciding on punishment/sentence.

Then I'd both:
a) Look at the Boer War and see how (reasoning, wording) they declared their independence from the UK crown.
b) Paradoxically perhaps (if you're an Afrikaaner), then look at the same reasoning/wording of the modern constitution as it stands.

I'm pretty confident that you'll find the Boers / Afrikaaners claimed certain human rights which were not otherwise available in Continental Europe at the time.
Much the same can be said about any colony; they nearly always have some relaxation of laws/ foundation of new laws, with respect to the 'home' country.

I'm also pretty confident that you'll find something approaching Freeman-on-the-Land in native African tribal laws.
Also that any modern 'laws' will, in fact, be 'statutes'.

Read up on your history,
Find out how your country gained independence from anyone, if at all,
And use this as inspiration for formulating your Notice of Understanding & Claim of Right.

Good luck to you.

[astrochicken]

Would it be worthwhile having a seperate thread for foreign ie. non-UK and non-Commonwealth countries.

From what i've gathered reading through the all the threads here, it would appear that there is no-one actually working the system from countries that don't have (or didn't have) the queens fizogg on their dosh?????


I, for example, live in germany, the country with more tax-laws than the rest of the world combined (fact!). The system is trying to get 60 grand off of me on backtaxes... i'd be interested in anyone's accounts of dealing with the state in any country on the european continent.

Asides from the tax-shite i also have a few court summons for unpaid parking tickets and i''m looking forward to reworking, translating and posting any successfull communication on here.


You wouldn't believe how many forms of *law* there are here in germany and i'm kinda confused as to which *law* common-law falls under.

To show what i mean.. here's an incomplete list of German Laws

Wichtige deutsche Gesetze:

* Abgabenordnung (AO 1977)
* Aktiengesetz (AktG)
* Allgemeines Eisenbahngesetz (AEG)
* Allgemeines Gleichbehandlungsgesetz (AGG)
* Altersteilzeitgesetz (AltTZG)
* Altersteilzeitzuschlagsverordnung (ATZV)
* Anfechtungsgesetz (AnfG)
* Apothekengesetz (ApoG)
* Arbeitnehmererfindungsgesetz (ArbnErfG)
* Arbeitnehmerüberlassungsgesetz (AÜG)
* Arbeitsgerichtsgesetz (ArbGG)
* Arbeitsschutzgesetz (ArbSchG)
* Arbeitsstättenverordnung (ArbStättV)
* Arbeitszeitgesetz (ArbZG)
* Arzneimittelgesetz (AMG)
* Asylverfahrensgesetz (AsylVfG)
* Aufenthaltsgesetz (AufenthG)
* Ausgleichsleistungsgesetz (AusglLeistG)
* Außenwirtschaftsgesetz (AWG)
* Baugesetzbuch (BauGB)
* Baunutzungsverordnung (BauNVO)
* Bausparkassengesetz (BauSparkG)
* Baustellenverordnung (BaustellV)
* Beamtenversorgungsgesetz (BeamtVG)
* Behindertengleichstellungsgesetz (BGG)
* Beratungshilfegesetz (BeratHiG)
* Berufsbildungsgesetz (BBiG)
* Betreuungsbehördengesetz (BtBG)
* Betriebsrentengesetz (BetrAVG)
* Betriebsverfassungsgesetz (BetrVG)
* Beurkundungsgesetz (BeurkG)
* Bewertungsgesetz (BewG)
* Buchpreisbindungsgesetz (BuchPrG)
* Bundes-Apothekerordnung (BApO)
* Bundes-Bodenschutzgesetz (BBodSchG)
* Bundes-Immissionsschutzgesetz (BImSchG)
* Bundesausbildungsförderungsgesetz (BAföG)
* Bundesbeamtengesetz (BBG)
* Bundesbesoldungsgesetz (BBesG)
* Bundesdatenschutzgesetz (BDSG)
* Bundesdisziplinargesetz (BDG)
* Bundeselterngeld- und Elternzeitgesetz (BEEG)
* Bundeserziehungsgeldgesetz (BErzGG)
* Bundesfernstraßengesetz (FStrG)
* Bundeshaushaltsordnung (BHO)
* Bundesjagdgesetz (BJagdG)
* Bundeskindergeldgesetz (BKGG)
* Bundesleistungsgesetz (BLG)
* Bundesnotarordnung (BNotO)
* Bundespersonalvertretungsgesetz (BPersVG)
* Bundespolizeigesetz (BPolG)
* Bundespräsidentenwahlgesetz (BPräsWahlG)
* Bundesrechnungshofgesetz (BRHG)
* Bundesrechtsanwaltsordnung (BRAO)
* Bundesreisekostengesetz (BRKG)
* Bundestagsgeschäftsordnung (BTGO)
* Bundesurlaubsgesetz (BUrlG)
* Bundesverfassungsgerichtsgesetz (BVerfGG)
* Bundeswahlgesetz (BWahlG)
* Bundeswahlordnung (BWO)
* Bundesärzteordnung (BÄO)
* Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch (BGB)
* Börsengesetz (BörsG)
* Börsenzulassungs-Verordnung (BörsZulV)
* Chemikaliengesetz (ChemG)
* Eichordnung (EO)
* Eigenheimzulagengesetz (EigZulG)
* Einführungsgesetz zum Aktiengesetz (AktGEG)
* Einführungsgesetz zum Bürgerlichen Gesetzbuch (EGBGB)
* Einkommensteuer-Durchführungsverordnung (EStDV 2000)
* Einkommensteuergesetz (EStG)
* Einlagensicherungs- und Anlegerentschaedigungsgesetz (EAEG)
* Elektro- und Elektronikgerätegesetz (ElektroG)
* Energiesteuergesetz (EnergieStG)
* Entgeltfortzahlungsgesetz (EntgFG)
* Erbbaurechtsgesetz (ErbbauRG)
* Erbschaftsteuer- und Schenkungsteuergesetz (ErbStG 1974)
* Erbschaftsteuer-Durchführungsverordnung (ErbStDV 1998)
* Erneuerbare-Energien-Gesetz (EEG)
* Europawahlgesetz (EuWG)
* Europawahlordnung (EuWO)
* Europäisches Rechtsanwältegesetz (EuRAG)
* Fahrzeug-Zulassungsverordnung (FZV)
* Finanzausgleichsgesetz (FAG)
* Finanzgerichtsordnung (FGO)
* Finanzverwaltungsgesetz (FVG)
* Fluglärmschutzgesetz (FluLärmG)
* Flurbereinigungsgesetz (FlurbG)
* Flüchtlingshilfegesetz (FlüHG)
* Freiheitsentziehungsgesetz (FrhEntzG)
* Freiwillige Gerichtsbarkeit Gesetz (FGG)
* Freizügigkeitsgesetz-EU (FreizügG-EU)
* Fremdrentengesetz (FRG)
* Funkanlagen- und Telekommunikationsendeinrichtungengesetz (FTEG)
* Gaststättengesetz (GastG)
* Gebrauchsmustergesetz (GebrMG)
* Gebührenordnung für Zahnärzte (GOZ)
* Genossenschaftsgesetz (GenG)
* Gentechnikgesetz (GenTG)
* Gerichtskostengesetz (GKG)
* Gerichtsverfassungsgesetz (GVG)
* Gerichtsverfassungsgesetz - Einführungsgesetz (GVGEG)
* Geräte- und Produktsicherheitsgesetz (GPSG)
* Geschmacksmustergesetz (GeschmG)
* Gesetz gegen Wettbewerbsbeschränkungen (GWB)
* Gewaltschutzgesetz (GewSchG)
* Gewerbeordnung (GewO)
* Gewerbesteuer-Durchführungsverordnung (GewStDV 1955)
* Gewerbesteuergesetz (GewStG)
* GmbH-Gesetz (GmbHG)
* Grundbuchordnung (GBO)
* Grundbuchverfügung (GBV)
* Grunderwerbsteuergesetz (GrEStG 1983)
* Grundgesetz (GG)
* Grundsteuergesetz (GrStG 1973)
* Grundstücksverkehrsordnung (GVO)
* Gutachterausschussverordnung Nordrhein-Westfalen (GAVO NRW)
* Güterkraftverkehrsgesetz (GüKG)
* Haftpflichtgesetz (HaftPflG)
* Handelsgesetzbuch (HGB)
* Handelsklassengesetz (HdlKlG)
* Handelsregisterverordnung (HRV)
* Handwerksordnung (HwO)
* Haushaltsgrundsätzegesetz (HGrG)
* Hausratsverordnung (HausratsV)
* Heimarbeitsgesetz (HAG)
* Heimgesetz (HeimG)
* Hochschulrahmengesetz (HRG)
* Informationsfreiheitsgesetz (IFG)
* Insolvenzordnung (InsO)
* Internationale-Rechtshilfe-Gesetz (IRG)
* Investitionszulagengesetz 2005 (InvZulG 2005)
* Investitionszulagengesetz 2007 (InvZulG 2007)
* Investmentgesetz (InvG)
* Investmentsteuergesetz (InvStG)
* Jugendarbeitsschutzgesetz (JArbSchG)
* Jugendgerichtsgesetz (JGG)
* Jugendschutzgesetz (JuSchG)
* Justizvergütungs- und Entschädigungsgesetz (JVEG)
* Kaffeesteuergesetz (KaffeeStG)
* Kapitalerhöhungssteuergesetz (KapErhStG)
* Kindererziehungsgesetz (KErzG)
* Kraft-Wärme-Kopplungsgesetz (KWKG 2002)
* Kraftfahrsachverständigengesetz (KfSachvG)
* Kraftfahrzeugsteuergesetz (KraftStG)
* Krankenhausentgeltgesetz (KHEntgG)
* Kreditwesengesetz (KredWG)
* Kriegsdienstverweigerungsgesetz (KDVG)
* Kunsturhebergesetz (KunstUrhG)
* Kündigungsschutzgesetz (KSchG)
* Körperschaftssteuergesetz (KStG)
* Körperschaftsteuer-Durchführungsverordnung (KStDV 1977)
* Landpachtverkehrsgesetz (LPachtVG)
* Luftsicherheitsgesetz (LuftSiG)
* Luftverkehrsgesetz (LuftVG)
* Makler- und Bauträgerverordnung (MaBV)
* Markengesetz (MarkenG)
* Mutterschutzgesetz (MuSchG)
* Nachweisgesetz (NachwG)
* Namensänderungsgesetz (NamÄndG)
* Ordnungswidrigkeitengesetz (OWiG)
* Parteiengesetz (PartG)
* Partnerschaftsgesellschaften Gesetz (PartGG)
* Patentanwaltsordnung (PatAnwO)
* Patentgesetz (PatG)
* Personenbeförderungsgesetz (PBefG)
* Pfandbriefgesetz (PfandBG)
* Polizeigesetz des Freistaates Sachsen (SächsPolG)
* Preisangabenverordnung (PAngV)
* Produkthaftungsgesetz (ProdHaftG)
* Projekt-Mechanismen-Gesetz (ProMechG)
* Raumordnungsgesetz (ROG)
* Rechtsanwaltsvergütungsgesetz (RVG)
* Rechtsdienstleistungsgesetz (RDG)
* Rechtspflegergesetz (RPflG 1969)
* Richtergesetz (DRiG)
* Schriftgutaufbewahrungsgesetz (SchrAG)
* Schwarzarbeitsbekämpfungsgesetz (SchwarzArbG)
* SGB I Allgemeiner Teil
* SGB II Grundsicherung für Arbeitsuchende
* SGB III Arbeitsförderung
* SGB IV Gemeinsame Vorschriften für die Sozialversicherung
* SGB IX Rehabilitation und Teilhabe behinderter Menschen
* SGB V Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung
* SGB VI Gesetzliche Rentenversicherung
* SGB VII Gesetzliche Unfallversicherung
* SGB VIII Kinder- und Jugendhilfe
* SGB X Sozialverwaltungsverfahren und Sozialdatenschutz
* SGB XI Soziale Pflegeversicherung
* SGB XII Sozialhilfe
* Signaturgesetz (SigG)
* Signaturverordnung (SigV)
* Sozialgerichtsgesetz (SGG)
* Sozialgesetzbuch (SGB)
* Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz (StAG)
* Steuerberatungsgesetz (StBerG)
* Strafgesetzbuch (StGB)
* Strafprozessordnung (StPO)
* Strafverfolgungs-Entschädigungs-Gesetz (StrEG)
* Strafvollzugsgesetz (StVollzG)
* Straßenverkehrs-Ordnung (StVO)
* Straßenverkehrs-Zulassungs-Ordnung (StVZO)
* Straßenverkehrsgesetz (StVG)
* Sächsisches Justizgesetz (SächsJG)
* Tarifvertragsgesetz (TVG)
* Teilzeit- und Befristungsgesetz (TzBfG)
* Telekommunikationsgesetz (TKG)
* Telemediengesetz (TMG)
* Tierschutzgesetz (TierSchG)
* Treibhausgas-Emissionshandelsgesetz (TEHG)
* Umsatzsteuer-Durchführungsverordnung (UStDV)
* Umsatzsteuergesetz (UStG)
* Umwandlungsgesetz (UmwG)
* Umwandlungssteuergesetz (UmwStG)
* Umwandlungssteuergesetz 2006 (UmwStG 2006)
* Umwelthaftungsgesetz (UmweltHG)
* Umweltverträglichkeitsprüfungsgesetz (UVPG)
* Unlauterer Wettbewerbs-Gesetz (UWG)
* Unterlassungsklagengesetz (UKlaG)
* Urheberrechtsgesetz (UrhG)
* Urheberrechtswahrnehmungsgesetz (UrhWahrnG)
* Vereinsgesetz (VereinsG)
* Vergabeverordnung (VgV 2001)
* Versicherungsvertragsgesetz (VVG)
* Verwaltungsgerichtsordnung (VwGO)
* Verwaltungskostengesetz (VwKostG)
* Verwaltungszustellungsgesetz (VwZG)
* Vormünder- und Betreuervergütungsgesetz (VBVG)
* Wehrpflichtgesetz (WPflG)
* Wertermittlungsverordnung (WertV)
* Wertpapierhandelsgesetz (WpHG)
* Wirtschaftsprüfergesetz (WiPrO)
* Wohnungseigentumsgesetz (WoEigG)
* Wohnungsvermittlungsgesetz (WoVermRG)
* Zivildienstgesetz (ZDG)
* Zivilprozessordnung (ZPO)
* Zivilprozessordnung -Einführungsgesetz (ZPOEG)
* Zuteilungsgesetz (ZuG 2007)
* Zwangsversteigerungs- und Zwangsverwaltungsgesetz (ZVG)



See what i mean?.. where do I start??

edit:googled and found the following.

"Für die Fiktionstheorie hingegen, ist die juristische Person lediglich ein fiktiver Zurechnungsendpunkt, also ein gedachtes Etwas, das demgemäß auch nicht handeln kann."

In the Fictiontheory, a judicial "person" is a fictive attributable end point, in other words a fictive something, which can not by itself, carry out any action.

It would appear though,with a cursory glance, that the germans have closed many a loophole by inventing new laws.

[yozhik]

In my Opinion Religion is part of this topic because all Organised religions is set up to destroy our Freedoms which we were born with. Robbing us of our Freeman Status I am sure Icke would agree; Religion is part of the problem not a solution to the problem.

I keep coming back to "the truth is found within".
Know who you are.

Organised religion, when oppressive (as many are), is merely a replacement of the social elite, with the religious elite. No difference.

However, I do agree that the more this is sidetracked by religious zealots; the less will be achieved. By all means, it is absolutely the unalienable right for every man, woman and child to claim a creator and a higher calling; to define their spiritual truth ... however, it is absolutely NOT a right to force that upon any other man, woman or child as "the truth".

This kind of arrogance is what we are fighting and releasing ourselves from; not going towards.

Peace and respect.


.

[arten]

Sin was a concept of Judiasim long before Christianity.

It means something entirely different from the Christian dogma.


We are sons of God, Adopted through the sacrafice of Calvery

We are sons of God True Calvery never happened if you believe it did present the evidence.


how do you know what Christ taught without the bible?

I read Buddha that is how.



I am a Catholic and that is simply not true.

Of course it is your religion is a distortion of the Truth and it is about Sun worship it is in fact Pagan.



Dont be silly, next you will be telling me we believe the devil is red carrys a pitch fork and has a barbed tail... dont be so foolish.

You are really not that well read go and read up on it. The early church fathers were well versed in Greek Philosophy many of them are regarded as Greek Philosophers. Ambrose, Agustine, Gregory et al


Icons dont depitct they represent
Semantics.



How do you know these "true" teachings?
God I Am told me.



are you not a sinner?

No not in the Christian meaning of the word, that is just mind control designed to rob us of our Freeman Status and enslave us.
One of the reason the Gnostics were persecuted by the Roman church was because they refused to procreate, and the Roman church knew it needed more slaves to make Rome great.

[arten]

I keep coming back to "the truth is found within".
Know who you are.

Organised religion, when oppressive (as many are), is merely a replacement of the social elite, with the religious elite. No difference.

However, I do agree that the more this is sidetracked by religious zealots; the less will be achieved. By all means, it is absolutely the unalienable right for every man, woman and child to claim a creator and a higher calling; to define their spiritual truth ... however, it is absolutely NOT a right to force that upon any other man, woman or child as "the truth".

This kind of arrogance is what we are fighting and releasing ourselves from; not going towards.

Peace and respect.


.

I agree! And they are doing so for a reason imho.

[lumukanda]

Hi lumukanda (what does that mean?),

I'd go to home affairs all right, and confirm that where you live is a 'Common Law Jurisdiction', that is to say that your legal system is built on 'case law' or 'jurisprudence', which means that previous cases of a similar nature are taken into consideration when deciding on punishment/sentence.

Then I'd both:
a) Look at the Boer War and see how (reasoning, wording) they declared their independence from the UK crown.
b) Paradoxically perhaps (if you're an Afrikaaner), then look at the same reasoning/wording of the modern constitution as it stands.

I'm pretty confident that you'll find the Boers / Afrikaaners claimed certain human rights which were not otherwise available in Continental Europe at the time.
Much the same can be said about any colony; they nearly always have some relaxation of laws/ foundation of new laws, with respect to the 'home' country.

I'm also pretty confident that you'll find something approaching Freeman-on-the-Land in native African tribal laws.
Also that any modern 'laws' will, in fact, be 'statutes'.

Read up on your history,
Find out how your country gained independence from anyone, if at all,
And use this as inspiration for formulating your Notice of Understanding & Claim of Right.

Good luck to you.

hey tien an,

thanks for your feedback, i'm going to look into the points you've highlighted.
we have a strange mix of dutch, british and african law, so it's a bit interesting.

[sindakit]

Just to let yo know i went to CBA today and the guy there, he was really nice and a good laugh about it all, but he said there's no way to opt out of PAYE unless you're registered self-employed and the sec. of state would decide and not accept that you would be if you work for corporation, as i do atm.

I asked him if that seemed a bit of a dictatorship if i cant conduct my own tax affairs and he said " thats the law unfortunately"
My reply: "what law?...Common law?"
"No, not common law." :P

Although he did say that it was all only under statute and not common law. He did mention that he thought taking on the Revenue would be silly cause many have tried and mentioned a book called 'misleading cases', by A P Harper i think, that basically details all peoples attempts at defeating th system but were all squashed.
I don't know if these were done wrongly or what but he thought doing this was myth, i told him when i get it done i'll go back and show him lol

On a side note he also told me lots of ways people tried to screw up banks with transactions of £0.00 cheques which were pretty funny, albeit failures. :D

So i guess i have to go the 21stcenturypoltix way from you tube and just demand the money at the end of financial year

[arten]

Just to let yo know i went to CBA today and the guy there, he was really nice and a good laugh about it all, but he said there's no way to opt out of PAYE unless you're registered self-employed and the sec. of state would decide and not accept that you would be if you work for corporation, as i do atm.

I asked him if that seemed a bit of a dictatorship if i cant conduct my own tax affairs and he said " thats the law unfortunately"
My reply: "what law?...Common law?"
"No, not common law." :P

Although he did say that it was all only under statute and not common law. He did mention that he thought taking on the Revenue would be silly cause many have tried and mentioned a book called 'misleading cases', by A P Harper i think, that basically details all peoples attempts at defeating th system but were all squashed.
I don't know if these were done wrongly or what but he thought doing this was myth, i told him when i get it done i'll go back and show him lol

On a side note he also told me lots of ways people tried to screw up banks with transactions of £0.00 cheques which were pretty funny, albeit failures. :D

So i guess i have to go the 21stcenturypoltix way from you tube and just demand the money at the end of financial year

The people at the CAB are well meaning enough but on this issue I would say they are well out of their depth so their advice can be taken with a large of dose of salt.

[sindakit]

thats what i did dont worry lol

plus he lives in a statute world

[the john galt]

Freeman Menard, could you give the exact point in the Financial Administration act where it states that the federal minister of finances sends revenue generated by everyones security to their provincial representative in the federal transfer payments?

I made a quick look through just use the search feature in the browser but I did not find anything. I'm currently writing a notice of understand and claim of right to recieve my security ( http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=815239&posted=1#post815239 ) and I want to make sure everything i state there is solid, and the eleventh one about what i just said isn't.

anyway, check it out, everyone else too, give some hard criticism, want it to be damn good

[spoonogsback]

Hey there rob I've a Pint of Guinness ready for drinking, any time you want to come on over accross the pond.......To the Land known as Ireland............lol.

I need to run now, so I'm just saying hi. I do have some things to discuss and some suggestions for others to look into as I have been doing my homework........ok gotta go
May peace find you all.......

[signalnorth]

The people at the CAB are well meaning enough but on this issue I would say they are well out of their depth so their advice can be taken with a large of dose of salt.


Very true. I went into my local office some years ago and realised I knew more than them!

[arten]

Same here they asked me to join them but I declined.

[spoonogsback]

You are misunderstanding. No-one ever said the BC was worth anything, it's another fiction. However in a fictious world where "persons" exist it can Kick some serious ass.
It can swallow up the insurance (in-fiction) of so called Policy enforcers, Judges etc..
and that means they must leave or vacate their office for none can exist in the world of fiction with no Limited liability. So because you are a man your life is worth more than all the fiction that can ever exist and you too if you wish can create fiction you can simply put pen to paper and create a new reality for them!!!!!

[vladmir]

Hi Rob, just had to tell you this, im currently watching your video
"Robs very cunning plan" and it is so mind-blowing in its implications!!!
Im at 27 minutes in, and you are describing to Jessie that because he dosent belong to any society, as he cant name his society, the law socitey of british columbia takes it upon itself to impose ITS LAWS upon jessie, and treat him like a child, because he is asking permission from this LAW society of BC, and that if he could create his own society, then the law society would not be able to impose its laws on his society, as it would have to abide by the laws that jessie and gand made for themselves.................
am i getting it right?

this is incredible stuff, dude...what can i say..........

[vladmir]

AH!!
Our current police officers in India ,
while they may purport to be there to maintain peace in this country,
are ALSO policy enforcement officers of the corporate entity known as India,
(btw india is part of the British Commonwealth, i dont exactly what that means law wise, but it cant be good)

[rob menard]

Hi Rob, just had to tell you this, im currently watching your video
"Robs very cunning plan" and it is so mind-blowing in its implications!!!
Im at 27 minutes in, and you are describing to Jessie that because he dosent belong to any society, as he cant name his society, the law socitey of british columbia takes it upon itself to impose ITS LAWS upon jessie, and treat him like a child, because he is asking permission from this LAW society of BC, and that if he could create his own society, then the law society would not be able to impose its laws on his society, as it would have to abide by the laws that jessie and and made for themselves.................
am i getting it right?

this is incredible stuff, dude...what can i say..........

Yeap...

[druggalo]

yo rob whut would yah say bout tha

"random" on no {specific} occasian, torture and sacrafise of those who "ritually" take part in tha sacrafise and torture of their human victomz- drinkin tha blood and chewing tha pineal glands of those "guilty" of doin tha same 2 tha "innocent"

http://atticfox.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/153610__fearloathing_l.jpg

http://blog.ebates.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/12/fear_and_loathing.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/adrenochrome/images/archive/adrenochrome_2d_2.gif

http://www.erowid.org/library/books/images/doors_of_perception.jpg

Adrenochrome
3-Hydroxy-1-methyl-5,6-indoline-dione, C9H9NO3 (mol. wt. 179.17)

Produced in the body by oxidation of epinephrine (andrenalin).


"... Then came the discovery that adrenochrome, which is a product of the decomposition of adrenalin, can produce many of the symptoms observed in mescalin intoxication. But adrenochrome probably occurs spontaneously in the human body. In other words, each one of us may be capable of manufacturing a chemical, minute doses of which are known to cause Profound changes in consciousness. ..."

--Aldous Huxley
Doors of Perception

[brian_bdongding]

Hi Robert, I have seen bursting bubbles..and I liked it very much. DO you have any Scottish in you...you sound like Jack Black with a bit of scottish? :)
I have been demonstrating against the authorities putting fluoride in the water. it is against my (and I'm guessing many others' wishes) in the Southampton UK area. yesterday they decided that they will add it. i wish to let them know that I don't consent to it and won't be paying my water bill.
I realise things are different in the UK but what kind of things could lawfully be done? (this is open to anyone who would like to offer help - much appreciated if thou canst)

cheers,
ben

[the worm that turned]

Hi Robert, I have seen bursting bubbles..and I liked it very much. DO you have any Scottish in you...you sound like Jack Black with a bit of scottish? :)
I have been demonstrating against the authorities putting fluoride in the water. it is against my (and I'm guessing many others' wishes) in the Southampton UK area. yesterday they decided that they will add it. i wish to let them know that I don't consent to it and won't be paying my water bill.
I realise things are different in the UK but what kind of things could lawfully be done? (this is open to anyone who would like to offer help - much appreciated if thou canst)

cheers,
ben

Have you read the exact proposal? What quantities of fluoride are they proposing to add to the water?

If you can gain some interest from a number of people you might be able to start up a small organisation and officially collect water samples from across the Southampton area on a weekly (or whatever frequency you choose) basis and have them officially tested for fluoride content.

If they fall outside of the "approved" and "allowable" levels keep a record and make an official challenge.

Not sure what you can do about their actual decision other than gather evidence to prove that water fluoridation is dangerous and unecessary and then write to your MP.

Have you set up a petition on the 10 Downing Street website?

[hedles]

Hi Rob,

Commonly when you want to use a facility on the web or to download software you will be asked to agree to a long document of Terms and Conditions and this frequently has a clause in it near the end something like:

"These Terms shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the laws of the United States, without giving effect to any principles of conflict of law. You agree that any action at law or in equity arising out of or relating to these Terms shall be filed only in the state or federal courts located in Boston, Massachusetts, and you hereby consent and submit to the personal jurisdiction of such courts for the purposes of litigating any such action. The parties specifically disclaim applicability of (i) the United Nations Convention on the Sale of Goods and (ii) any Incoterms."

That paragraph actually comes from the Conditions for using logmein user forum.

In view of the fact that this requires you to submit to "the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the laws of the United States" and "to the personal jurisdiction of" "the state or federal courts located in Boston, Massachusetts", would agreeing to such a condition, in your view, compromise any notice of understanding and intent and claim of right that you might have made claiming your Freeman status and freedom from statute law? Or would you argue that "the laws of whatever state" are actually the Common Law, not the statues?

If you would say that this does create a compromise, what would you do about it if you wanted to use the facility or software?

[vladmir]

From here:
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bondservant/personP.pdf
Just exactly what is a human being or a natural person? There are no listed definitions for
"human", "being", or "human being" in Black's or in Webster's law dictionaries. We even
looked them up in Oran's Dictionary of the Law published by The West Group © 2000, and they
weren't defined there either. Isn't it extremely odd that the same law dictionaries which define a
person as a human being don't define any of the words used within their own definition? If we
were to stop right here, then according to the most recent and authoritative law dictionaries
available, we have no legal definition of a human being and, therefore, do not know what a
natural person is. Since the "law" of the United States is supposed to be so specific and exact,
how can this be?

Rob, when you use the term human being......is it ok to use it, as its not defined in law dictionaries, and therefore the meaning cant be screwed with :confused:

[magickman]

Hello, Rob, you are a good man for what you do. I have a question I hope you can answer. Last year, my new wife was served with a court order to return to her former State and show cause why her ex husband could not visit the children of the marriage. She began by writing a letter to the Judge, telling him of the many death threats and kidnapping attempts before she fled the State. I must add that the police and courts did nothing to protect her and her children.

We filed an affidavit to the Judge, a criminal courts judge, asserting her sovereignty, and removing the Judge from sitting on here case, a divorce hearing. In the affidavit, we informed the Judge why she could not return, and that the Judge was acting out of her venue, and falsely labeling her as a criminal. We gave the Judge 10 days to respond, which he did not.

Now we get a letter, non registered, that informs her that a Body Warrant has been issued for her, and that she is ordered to court to face contempt charges.

I now wish to serve the Judge with a Notice of Default, and I also want to inform the Attorney General of the State that the Judge has committed a criminal act and went away from his Constitutional Oath. I don't know how to construct the Notice of Default, could you help? Thank you.

[jimmi]

If Rob shows you how to write a notice like that isn't he giving legal advice and so leaving himself open to one of their conviction scam thingys.? If you see what I mean?

[broccoligarden]

Hi Robert, I have seen bursting bubbles..and I liked it very much. DO you have any Scottish in you...you sound like Jack Black with a bit of scottish? :)
I have been demonstrating against the authorities putting fluoride in the water. it is against my (and I'm guessing many others' wishes) in the Southampton UK area. yesterday they decided that they will add it. i wish to let them know that I don't consent to it and won't be paying my water bill.
I realise things are different in the UK but what kind of things could lawfully be done? (this is open to anyone who would like to offer help - much appreciated if thou canst)

cheers,
ben

Hello, i have been following the Fluoride issue in relation to Southampton and i'm so appalled at how the authorities have decided to add fluoride even with 72% (correct me if i am wrong) of the population of the area voting against it.
I am in the west midlands where fluoride is already added to the water supplies. I have just had a meter fitted and then stopped direct debit payments so the water authority (seven trent) will have to invoice me, i am currently choosing a reverse osmosis filter (independantly tested) which i will purchase, the cost of which i will take off my water payments.
In correspondance i have used some work by Doug Cross, who covers alot of the legal ground.
I think the main point is that i am not refusing to pay, i am offering them to help find an alternative to otherwise forcing me to drink toxic water!
hope this helps, or if you have any advice that would be cool.
good luck:)

[arten]

In correspondance i have used some work by Doug Cross,

Mate do u have a link for his work?

[rob menard]

You should learn how to construct any notice as opposed to a notice of default. They are essentially all the same and have the same elements. Those elements do not change just because the reason for the notice is different.

If you do not know how to construct a notice you need to address that.

Rob

[arten]

You should learn how to construct any notice as opposed to a notice of default. They are essentially all the same and have the same elements. Those elements do not change just because the reason for the notice is different.

If you do not know how to construct a notice you need to address that.

Rob

Rob loved your film about your cunning plan great stuff. There must be templates somewhere on the net that we can all use, all my family are rebels and fighters hehe they are all very excited by what you are doing and what John Harris is doing over here in England. Keep up the good work and all the Best.

[broccoligarden]

In correspondance i have used some work by Doug Cross,

Mate do u have a link for his work?

This is the link i use, i find it very helpful
http://www.ukcaf.org/legal_sources_on_fluoridation.html
:)

[iamallthatiam]

Hi Rob,

It's great to see you here. Welcome.
I haven't had a chance to read through the whole of this thread - just got up to page 20 or so , but time is short......

The problem I have got is getting my NOUACOR notarized, I have approached three separate notaries now and each have said, "Sure, come on over , can you fax a copy first", as soon as they have read it the response I have got is " Errrrr......... yeah....er....well....we are not taking on any new business at the moment, bye !" they won't touch this with a 10ft barge pole because they are too scared of the implications - where do I go from here?

That said I have just arranged another appointment on Thursday, with the last one I can find in my area.If they won't touch it either, does my NOU HAVE to be notarized?
Do they actually have any sort of obligation?

[elemental mechanic]

hello rob

after comming home from work i jumped on the internet to see if i had any responses to my question of how to give back my national insurance number my post is "to be a freeman" i only point that out because i did not notice your post until this evening or at least it is eve in my part of the world (uk)

i havn't really had the answer i was looking for although the very acknowledgement of my request has been in someway answered.

i want to be carful at this point becausse i'm not wanting to cause any offense to anyone, so a big thanks to those who have responded.

i would however like to know what i can do; at the moment i'm slowly getting myself upto speed, i do mean slowly, i'm currently spending every other evening trying to make sense of "invisible contracts" by george mercier, i have got hold of a copy of "the global sovereign's handbook" by johnny liberty (it's no handbook) and have also aquiered a copy of a common law document (sheesh)

it's going to take a lot of reading and so in order to aid me i will be purchasing a copy of blacks law dictionary; right now though i feel like a boat on the open sea (well maybe not so open)

so what am i lookinng for? i would like to know if there is anything else that could facilitate my ease into understanding a language that was clearly wriiten in a manner as not to be understood but i think with time understandable. (it must be i keep finding people who seem to know and comprehend enough, certainly more than me)

all i seem to have is an feeling of knowing it but also realising it isn't enough (damn that doubt)i have glanced at the motoring act a couple of times but my eyes could only see letters on the paper at which point my head entered into soft reeboot mode :eek: (supposed to be a joke but somewhere in there it's sad yet true)

i'm not looking for this to be done for me, i will learn what needs to be learned but perhaps some of your knowledge (nay wisdom) for that matter anyone who is willing to give true direction.

i'm not here to fight the good fight, i'm here to live as the creator intended, a freeman.

"naamaste"

[the worm that turned]

hello rob

after comming home from work i jumped on the internet to see if i had any responses to my question of how to give back my national insurance number my post is "to be a freeman" i only point that out because i did not notice your post until this evening or at least it is eve in my part of the world (uk)

i havn't really had the answer i was looking for although the very acknowledgement of my request has been in someway answered.

i want to be carful at this point becausse i'm not wanting to cause any offense to anyone, so a big thanks to those who have responded.

i would however like to know what i can do; at the moment i'm slowly getting myself upto speed, i do mean slowly, i'm currently spending every other evening trying to make sense of "invisible contracts" by george mercier, i have got hold of a copy of "the global sovereign's handbook" by johnny liberty (it's no handbook) and have also aquiered a copy of a common law document (sheesh)

it's going to take a lot of reading and so in order to aid me i will be purchasing a copy of blacks law dictionary; right now though i feel like a boat on the open sea (well maybe not so open)

so what am i lookinng for? i would like to know if there is anything else that could facilitate my ease into understanding a language that was clearly wriiten in a manner as not to be understood but i think with time understandable. (it must be i keep finding people who seem to know and comprehend enough, certainly more than me)

all i seem to have is an feeling of knowing it but also realising it isn't enough (damn that doubt)i have glanced at the motoring act a couple of times but my eyes could only see letters on the paper at which point my head entered into soft reeboot mode :eek: (supposed to be a joke but somewhere in there it's sad yet true)

i'm not looking for this to be done for me, i will learn what needs to be learned but perhaps some of your knowledge (nay wisdom) for that matter anyone who is willing to give true direction.

i'm not here to fight the good fight, i'm here to live as the creator intended, a freeman.

"naamaste"

By doing what you are doing you are already living as a Freeman, just by being aware of it and venturing down that path. There are a lot of stages of being a Freeman (as far as I can see), so keep following your path. I'm sure even Rob Menard had to learn the hard way sometimes (such as being man-handled out of court and breaking his elbow!).

The way I see it is that we live within a lot of systems, one of which being the hood-winking system of the greedy elite. Keep reading the "rules" that they have given us and keep learning, together WE will learn how to live freely, even if those that wrote the rules don't like it.

I am currently reading a good book called The English Legal System by Gary Slapper, which I personally think is well worth reading as it gives a clear understanding of how the current system operates. By understanding it you can understand how to use the system for your own benefit.

Good luck.

[elemental mechanic]

thank you for the pointer, if only you knew how important your reponse is to me, to clarify, right now i have a partner who thinks i'm an absolute nut job, well her actual words were "i am delusional" :rolleyes:

the price of freedom hey, i'l pay that everytime ;)

i will look out for that book which will be added to my reading list.

"namaste"

[miracles]

Good day Rob! Welcome to the forums...

I have been a member over at thinkfree forums for a while and enjoy your input whenever I come across it.

Thank you for making the freeman concept and information so widely available to the people that desperately need it and are ready for it....

Im thinking about asking for one of the Freeman packages for x-mas:D...

Cheers!

Im ready for it how do I get it? (I'm In New Zealand, are we able to be free here, were still under the crown?) I have just been forced to resign from working from a large city council for five years, they got rid of me for vigouroulsy campaigning for accountability and the good stewardship of the ratepayers money. Go figure. I feel free getting out of there, but looking at what you guys are talking about, I think that is just the start - bring it on guys, get me out of these freaken hand cuffs and legg Irons will ya?. Whose got the keys?? Hurray up!!

[aldrin]

Hi All, I'm very new on this forum so forgive me!

i have a question, that i couldn't find the answer to in this thread...

To Rob, and all others (advice and help welcomed and appreciated):-

It may be me being uber-dumb or something else, but cannot you obide by common law without the need to serve notice etc??

I am a married man /father of 3 so i need to get all research/info/advice on this subject as accurate as possible.

Thanks for any forthcoming help in advance,

Peace be to all.

[the worm that turned]

Hi All, I'm very new on this forum so forgive me!

i have a question, that i couldn't find the answer to in this thread...

To Rob, and all others (advice and help welcomed and appreciated):-

It may be me being uber-dumb or something else, but cannot you obide by common law without the need to serve notice etc??

I am a married man /father of 3 so i need to get all research/info/advice on this subject as accurate as possible.

Thanks for any forthcoming help in advance,

Peace be to all.

Correct me if I am wrong, but of course you can abide by common law, and I hope as a responsible person you are, however due to the current system in England and Wales, the Government can pass (enforce) legislation that is then read into law (process through House of Commons and Lords and then Royal Assent) which if you are a PERSON in this land you are bound to accept it.

The only way out of this, if this entire Freeman philosophy is correct, is to "opt-out" of the Statutes (legislation) part of the law by declaring yourself a Freeman on the Land and therefore a man and not a PERSON. Statutes/legislation can ONLY apply to PERSONS.

Once you are a Freeman you are responsible for yourself and any actions you carry out, but you can ONLY be punished if you break common law rules.

Hope that makes sense and I hope I understand this correctly - Rob et al.??

[aldrin]

No, that makes sense to me ( from what I have read and understood anyway)!

Thanks for the reply :)

So, i guess my next question would be is there a way to "opt-out" but keep certain aspects of my PERSON active, i.e N.I etc.

I am certainly interested in the FMOTL and all that it offers, but with a family and no trade skills, it seems, for me personally, a huge leap.

So, would there be a way to not be a part of thier society, but still maintain aspects of my PERSON??

[the worm that turned]

No, that makes sense to me ( from what I have read and understood anyway)!

Thanks for the reply :)

So, i guess my next question would be is there a way to "opt-out" but keep certain aspects of my PERSON active, i.e N.I etc.

I am certainly interested in the FMOTL and all that it offers, but with a family and no trade skills, it seems, for me personally, a huge leap.

So, would there be a way to not be a part of thier society, but still maintain aspects of my PERSON??

I personally think that what you want is the way to go - and if enough people do it, naturally the crap parts of society (i.e. those designed to tax us to the hilt to make rich people richer, prevent us from being free, etc.) will be eradicated.

So how can it work??? Good question. I think that if you educate yourself enough to understand the system, make it work to suit your needs. So if you want a national insurance number learn where it comes from, which Statutes are applicable to it and negotiate the national insurance contract to work in your favour (this is where others may need to help here) but ultimately I believe the NI is inextricably linked to a bond, which is inextricably linked to your PERSON, which obviously is YOUR property if you take it back.

Once you own it, you will realise that you can continue to use it for taxation purposes, but what you will also realise is that the bond created in your name is very much in the +ve, so you can use this money already in the bond to pay off any tax they are insisting that you have accrued each year. Does that make sense?

Of course this is all total fantasy anyway because money is make-believe, but instead of the Government using your BOND (slavery) as payment for a make-believe debt to the banks you can say, er no, I want my money to be used for myself, or to help others, rather than pay back a pretend debt to Mr Rothschild et al.

[aldrin]

Wow, my brain is now the sponge it once was as a child!!:D

Huge thanks for the info TWHT, I will be researching alot harder now.

So, to recap, it might be possible to only use my NI for taxation purposes, but still fight statutes/acts. After watching Rob's very cunning plan, and given time to compose myself after ROFL, the concept has struck a cord with me but not to the extent that I believe i could go "all out" and not exist in their system.


I hope i am not sounding too 'mixed-up' and seem to have crossed wires to anyone, forgive me if this is the case.

I am just desiring what is best for my soul, and not the man who oppresses this.