Symbolism in Madonna (and others) work

[yeshua]

We all know who Madonna is, right? She's one of the biggest icons we've ever had and her music and celebrity status is known worldwide. For a long time I was one of her "fans'". When I started to break out of my programming I began to notice a lot of symbolism in her work and it made me realize how entertainment is a tool used to keep us asleep and how the television is called programming for a reason - it programs. I'm going to use this post to share some of what I've discovered. Comments are welcome.

I'm going to start off with a song with a blatant title, the song is called "Triggering". I'm sure most of you know how different words are used to trigger mind controlled/MK Ultra victims but if not here is some info.

Part of MK ULTRA was the NAOMI PROJECT - involved in the creation of what were later to be called "Manchurian Candidates". Manchurian Candidates were people who were pre-programmed to become assassins without their knowledge. A post hypnotic trigger was used to put them into "killer mode" - the American classic novel "The Catcher in the Rye" is regarded as containing these triggers. John Gittinger - a psychologist with the C.I.A. from 1950 to 1979 initially denied these experiments but later remarked " I guess it really did happen".
Helmut Scherer , ex C.I.A. agent, believes that Lee Harvey Oswald was a victim of MK ULTRA and William Balley , ex F.B.I., is of the same opinion regarding Sirhan Sirhan - the supposed killer of Robert Kennedy. Photographic proof of Sirhans innocence taken by photographer Scott Engert was supposedly lost by the police but is now found to be legally sealed for 20 years.

So here is a Youtube link to the Madonna song "Triggering". It's interesting that the song repeatedly uses the word "Dance" as that is a word that has been used in various Madonna songs. Could Dance be a word to effect the listeners of Madonna's music on a subconscious level? I remember reading something about the word "beat" being used as a trigger during Beatlemania, could "dance" be Madonna's trigger word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3teAksE6vI

Lyrics :-
Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
Dance, you're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses

Dance is a lovely friend
Dance to your heart's content
Dance and we don't pretend
Dance is your only friend

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around


Dance, you're not taking
Dance, you're not hating
Dance, you're not kiling yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses


A hip, a hip, a hippety hop and you don't stop, you get on your feet
You do the hip hop to a different beat
I know you don't stop when you're on the street
You're not feeling down and there's no one else around
You get on your feet until you hear the funky beat, beat, beat, beat...

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around

When there's no one else around

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
You're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses
Triggering your senses
Triggering your
Dance

The song was recorded during the recording session of Madonna's 2005 album Confessions On a Dance Floor but did not make the final cut of the album.

[yeshua]

Here is a list of Madonna some of the songs that feature the word "dance".

Everybody (her debut single)
Material Girl
Pretender
Into The Groove
You Can Dance (album)
Spotlight
Like a Prayer
Vogue
Don't Stop
Music
Impressive Instant
Candy Shop
Heartbeat
Dance 2Night
Triggering

[marpat]

We all know who Madonna is, right? She's one of the biggest icons we've ever had and her music and celebrity status is known worldwide. For a long time I was one of her "fans'". When I started to break out of my programming I began to notice a lot of symbolism in her work and it made me realize how entertainment is a tool used to keep us asleep and how the television is called programming for a reason - it programs. I'm going to use this post to share some of what I've discovered. Comments are welcome.

I'm going to start off with a song with a blatant title, the song is called "Triggering". I'm sure most of you know how different words are used to trigger mind controlled/MK Ultra victims but if not here is some info.



So here is a Youtube link to the Madonna song "Triggering". It's interesting that the song repeatedly uses the word "Dance" as that is a word that has been used in various Madonna songs. Could Dance be a word to effect the listeners of Madonna's music on a subconscious level? I remember reading something about the word "beat" being used as a trigger during Beatlemania, could "dance" be Madonna's trigger word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3teAksE6vI

Lyrics :-
Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
Dance, you're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses

Dance is a lovely friend
Dance to your heart's content
Dance and we don't pretend
Dance is your only friend

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around


Dance, you're not taking
Dance, you're not hating
Dance, you're not kiling yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses


A hip, a hip, a hippety hop and you don't stop, you get on your feet
You do the hip hop to a different beat
I know you don't stop when you're on the street
You're not feeling down and there's no one else around
You get on your feet until you hear the funky beat, beat, beat, beat...

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around

When there's no one else around

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
You're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses
Triggering your senses
Triggering your
Dance

The song was recorded during the recording session of Madonna's 2005 album Confessions On a Dance Floor but did not make the final cut of the album.


Or it could be that she mentions dance because thats what people do to music.

Theories can be written into most things in everyday life. Although I will agree that music does have a powerful effect on people it does not say that it is being used to program people to do anything than part with their money. It is the fiscal power of music makes people rich, famous and powerful. It is the whole false glamour of modern music that keeps it all rolling.

[yeshua]

Madonna is, of course, not the only pop star to use the trigger word "dance", the word is used constantly in pop music.

Let's start off with Britney Spears, who many believe is Madonna's heir. The word dance is used in her songs "Slave 4 U" and "Gimme More". Both of these songs center around lack of control on the dance floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZKbXNGDs4

I know I may be young
But I've got feelings too
And I need to do what I feel like doing
So let me go and just listen

All you people look at me like I'm a little girl
Well did you ever think it'd be okay for me to step into this world
Always saying,"little girl don't step into the club"
Well I'm just tryin' to find out why cause dance is what I love

Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah (Do you like it)
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah (This feels good)

I know I may come off quiet
I may come off shy
But I feel like talking
Feel like dancing when I see this guy

What's practical is logical
What the hell, who cares?
All I know is I'm so happy when you're dancing there

I'm a slave for you
I cannot hold it
I cannot control it
I'm a slave for you
I won't deny it
I'm not trying to hide it

Baby, don't you wanna, dance upon me (I just wanna dance next to you)
To another time and place
Oh Baby, don't you wanna, dance up on me (Are you ready)
Leave behind my name and age (Let's go)

(Like that)
(You like it)
(Yeah)
(Now watch me)

Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah (Do you like it)
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah (This feels good)
[Panting]

I really wanna dance, tonight with you (I just can't help myself)
I really wanna do what you want me to (I just feel I let myself go)
I really wanna dance, tonight with you (Wanna see you move)
I really wanna do what you want me to (Uh Uh Uh)

Baby, don't you wanna, dance up on me (I just wanna dance next to you)
To another time and place
Oh Baby, don't you wanna, dance up on me (Are you ready)
Leave behind my name and age(Lets go)

I'm a slave for you (Like That)
I cannot hold it
I cannot control it
I'm a slave for you (It just feels good)
I won't deny it
I'm not trying to hide it baby

Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
[Panting]
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
Can you get it, get it get it, whooah
[Panting]

I'm a slave for you (Here we go now)
I cannot hold it
I cannot control it
I'm a slave for you (Here we go)
I won't deny it (Yeah Yeah)
I'm not trying to hide it (Yeah)

(Like that)

Alright, with the next song I won't bother bolding the word dance because as you can see it's used a lot in these songs.

The lyrics are actually featured in the video of the following link. As you can hear she says "I just can't control myself" at one point in the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqWMswImFwM

You can read more about the symbolism in Britney's video's at the blog Pseudo-Occult Media which I highly suggest you check out as much as possible. The guy who does that blog is really aware of what's going on and points out a lot of the occult themes in pop culture.

Pieces of Britney Part 1


http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/10/pieces-of-britney-part-1-isnt-she-lucky.html

Pieces of Britney Part 2

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/10/pieces-of-britney-part-2-im-slave.html

When I try to tell people be more aware of what they're watching and listening to I always get "it's just entertainment". Yes, it's entertainment but it's filled with an occult agenda that is effecting us on a subconscious level. The way I see it this is no longer a theory, it's now a fact. There is just way too much evidence out there.

[yeshua]

Or it could be that she mentions dance because thats what people do to music.

Theories can be written into most things in everyday life. Although I will agree that music does have a powerful effect on people it does not say that it is being used to program people to do anything than part with their money. It is the fiscal power of music makes people rich, famous and powerful. It is the whole false glamour of modern music that keeps it all rolling.

That's what I use to think and that's what made me remain a Madonna fan. But once I really started looking at the themes she and others use in their work it became obvious that there's more to it. Like I said, read the Pseudo-Occult Media blog, it cannot all be a coincidence.

[noobcybot]

In this ritual we see the sacrifice descending from the pyramid on to a symbolic checkerboard floor. On this stage the mainstream red dress program Britney passes the baton onto the new one Christina by way of the handler Madonna by way of a kiss. The song seems to be relative, as in virgin sacrifice.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HGlOWXdZGrc

We know that Britney went crazy after this and Aguilera started to act out the old red dress program classic Monroe style.

Crazy. And how about this.... The trigger here may be the flashing camera points at the start, I recall a few mentions of flashing lights used in programming.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyEKb7QH2E

The South Park episode where Britney is a literal sacrifice for corn.

[yeshua]

Janet Jackson - All Nite

Again the theme of this video and song is dancing. The lyrics are also about the lack of self control while dancing. Some of the lyrics are "so intoxicating...I'm like a junkie, I can dance all nite".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIdUwA6atTE

Lady GaGa - Just Dance

A lack of self control while dancing/clubbing again. This video is way more blatant than the others I have posted. There are several times in the video where she covers one of her eyes exposing only her all seeing eye. There is a bolt symbol under one of her eyes (a theme I will get more into later). At one point she's also wearing a zebra inspired outfit (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/search?q=zebra). Oh, and who is her idol? Madonna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M65zI9LH-as

[yeshua]

Crazy. And how about this.... The trigger here may be the flashing camera points at the start, I recall a few mentions of flashing lights used in programming.



Yes, if you read part 1 of the Pieces of the Britney blog post you'll see the paparazzo/strobe lights programming explained in detail.

[yeshua]

Beyonce - Get Me Bodied

Definitions for the slang word "bodied".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bodied

At one point you see her getting out of a car under an black and white duality umbrella (duality is a common theme in MK, Freemasonry). You can read more about the symbolism associated with umbrella here : http://dedroidify.blogspot.com/2008/06/sunson-of-god-day.html
So it ties in with her rival Rihanna's hit song "Umbrella".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-qiZhOFQMQ

Beyonce's husband, rapper Jay-Z, is a Freemason and has been using their symbols in his work for years.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jay-z+freemason&search_type=

[yeshua]

More on Beyonce : http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/search?q=beyonce

[yeshua]

This is my last one for right now. It's an obvious video by the Spice Girl called "Holler". Most people point out the obvious fact that they're in a pyramid but it goes even further than that. They each play a different element in this video. At the end they hold hands symbolizing the fifth element which is spirit.

Read more about the elements in Paganism here : http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art9669.asp

Read more about Victoria Beckham (Posh Spice) and her husband David Beckham here : http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/readarticle.php?article_id=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWBBRw2LEjE

[false flag]

In this ritual we see the sacrifice descending from the pyramid on to a symbolic checkerboard floor. On this stage the mainstream red dress program Britney passes the baton onto the new one Christina by way of the handler Madonna by way of a kiss. The song seems to be relative, as in virgin sacrifice.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HGlOWXdZGrc

We know that Britney went crazy after this and Aguilera started to act out the old red dress program classic Monroe style.

Crazy. And how about this.... The trigger here may be the flashing camera points at the start, I recall a few mentions of flashing lights used in programming.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyEKb7QH2E

The South Park episode where Britney is a literal sacrifice for corn.

Funny you should mention Flashing Lights. I thought instantly of Kayne West's song flashing lights which I have always thought was about MK programming.

[noobcybot]

Interesting FF. West and the rest of those rapper just cant stop throwing this symbol...

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/violators_world/New%20Age/JayZ_EyeofHorus.jpg

Looks like occultism in that industry is as alive as it was in the 70's.

[yeshua]

Funny you should mention Flashing Lights. I thought instantly of Kayne West's song flashing lights which I have always thought was about MK programming.

Here is a video about Kanye's affiliation with Jay-Z and his possible ties to Freemasonry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk

Bringing it back to Madonna, Kanye was recently featured on her album Hard Candy on the song "Beat Goes On".

Lyrics :

[Kanye West:]
Ah, it's the M part 2 I want you, I'm gonna do to you what I want to do to you
Your girlfriend she wants too, beautiful, just flew F from perry, voulez-vous
In a city that don't snooze, smooze a monster hoos hoos
And I use my ....
Everything that feel good gotta be so ah

Give me room now, I'm like a vampire on a full moon now
And i don't know about you now but I think I wanna try some new now
See what it do now
And when you sat down, ah, cause you was using your breathe now, ah
Cause you be doin' it to def now, she'd be doin' either F now, what's left now?

Mister West now, can you get any more fresh now? I think I just did just now
Talkin' my shit that sell, I'm a professional
I admit that flashin' lights so I live that
Fame is a drum, wanna hit that?
Cause I know exactly where to get that, did you get that?

[yeshua]

An interesting interview about the entire industry and their agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxytc2coVw

[yeshua]

This is my last one for right now. It's an obvious video by the Spice Girl called "Holler". Most people point out the obvious fact that they're in a pyramid but it goes even further than that. They each play a different element in this video. At the end they hold hands symbolizing the fifth element which is spirit.

Read more about the elements in Paganism here : http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art9669.asp

Read more about Victoria Beckham (Posh Spice) and her husband David Beckham here : http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/readarticle.php?article_id=47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWBBRw2LEjE

Here is another interesting video in which they discuss the five pointed star and the Pagan elements in which I mentioned in my reply above. It starts at 5:57 but the entire video is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlr0qf0eTHU

[yeshua]

On Madonna's current Sticky & Sweet tour she opens the show with "Candy Shop". As someone in the Kurt Cobain post mentioned candy is a code word in programming (Kurt Cobain post : http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3097)

"Candy Shop" is the first track on Madonna's Hard Candy album. Interesting facts are there is a porn star named Hard Candy, a movie named Hard Candy, and one of Pink's characters in her "U & Ur Hand" video is named Hard Candy (the boxer character in the video. Madonna is using boxing a lot for the promotion of Hard Candy). Pink, along with Gwen Stefani, was originally suppose to perform with Madonna at the VMA for the infamous kiss but they were later replaced by Britney and J-Lo and J-Lo was eventually replaced by Christina Aguilera. Pink also is seen read an occult book in the following video. Here's some info on that : http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1543475/20061018/pink.jhtml



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DowvJ6h1WnM

Anyway, back to Madonna. In this performance you see a hypnotizing spiral towards the beginning.

similar to this
http://pascal.sources.ru/demo/spiral_1.jpg
During the performance Madonna is presented as a queen with full control of her dancers. At one point she even makes one shine her shoe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zy6TU_GS0o

Hard Candy is also slang for drugs.

[serenevasaline]

I love this thread. Thankyou for this.

I love uncovering truths in the industry. What better way for evil/negativity to work through the world, than use television, bright colours and music (which most people describe as an emotion in itself).

I have been looking at Take That's last album. I am no take that fan, and I don't much like pop music. I don't think they are evil, buut there is something working behind their vid's and lyrics. I have to look into it more but here are a few things to note.

Notes:

They are always singing about stars. Check out the lyrics to their entire album " Beautiful Day". (is there something in freemasonry related to sun worship? Or son gods? ).

http://www.lyred.com/lyrics/Take+That/Beautiful+World/

I can't work out who he would be speaking to in most of these songs. Bt it's not a woman. maybe an entity of some sort? I suspect that most of the band think it's highly spiritual and uplifting, and maybe so. But their record company is exploiting them for something darker.

Next we have their latest single. Here's the new video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzMLGH1Rfs

We start out with a helicopter view of the finincial district of LA.
The band are standing on a helipad with a massive number 12 on it.

3 members of the band stare on at it for a second or 2 (represtenting the world staring on to 2012 maybe?).

You have to wonder, why put them on a lower level building? There are plenty of taller buildings in the area. Well, I think it's so that when they raise their arms and say " stay close to me" etc, it is easily manipulated to make it look as though they are worshiping the banks.

The white slim building in the background is the US Bank building, and the big tall black one is CitiGroups building. Not far away is a Disney building, and surely, where ever Disney is, occultism is not far away. lol

Check out the area on google earth, there is a building with an eye on top of it too. I think it's a gas company.

That's all on this vid for now. There is more (loads of stars falling from the sky , strange redness in the sky at the end etc) but I'm tired. I'll have a look at the rest tomorrow.

Anyway, read and listen and compare lyrics to video and tell me what you think. Look at their recent singles since 2006. They all have a recurring theme . STARS. Sirius anyone. The DOG star??


Today this could be, the greatest day of our lives
Before it all ends, before we run out of time
Stay close to me,
Stay close to me
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay close to me.

Tonight this could be the greatest night of our lives
Let’s make a new start,
The future is ours to find
Can you see it, can you see it in my eyes
Can you feel it now, can you hold it in your arms tonight
Hold on
Hold on,
Hold on
Hold on (Tonight)
Hold on
Hold on

Oh stay close to me (Hold On)
Stay close to me
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay closes me

Ooooooh
Hold your head high, (Hold On)
Arms open wide
Yea the world starts to come alive when you stay close it me

Today this could be the greatest day of our lives
Today this could be the greatest day of our lives

Oooooh
And the world comes alive
And the world comes alive
And the would comes alive
Oh oh oooooh
Stay close to me (and the world comes alive) hold on
Stay close to me (and the world comes alive)
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay close to me (Hold on)
Oh stay close to me and the world comes alive
Stay close to me and the world comes alive

Watch the world come alive tonight
(stay close to me) oh oh ohoooo

[yeshua]

http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/images/bigimages/madonna_britney_dodger_big.jpg

Later on in her performance of "Human Nature" she brings out her guitar for Rock remix of the song. As you can see there's a skull on her guitar strap along with another symbol; I'm not sure of it's meaning but I've seen it on A LOT of peoples clothes lately. Maybe someone can identify it and give some info on it. Anyway, basically the performance is of Madonna on the guitar with a video of Britney Spears trapped in an elevator on the screens behind her. Over at Pseudo-Occult Media there's a detailed description of the video (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/07/britney-losing-her-mind-trapped-inside.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvyry-T3dGg&feature=related

Their analysis makes since. Last year we saw Britney go crazy and we saw a variety of her personalities coming out at once. It would make sense if her alter structure was breaking down. The Madonna seems to imply that they've programmed her again. And look we see Britney has made a quick comeback. Her first performance was with Madonna in LA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDnvWgnIFY

More on elevator symbolism : http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/search?q=elevator

Of course Prince in his song "Let's Go Crazy" says "if the elevator tries to break you down, go crazy" which relates to the Britney video.

Timbaland, who Madonna worked with along with Justin Timerlake on "4 Minutes (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23862), has a song called elevator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yum9wLpGLDs

and Lady Gaga appears in a checkered elevator in her video "Beautiful Dirty Rich".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvhwIpspk-w

[yeshua]

I love this thread. Thankyou for this.

I love uncovering truths in the industry. What better way for evil/negativity to work through the world, than use television, bright colours and music (which most people describe as an emotion in itself).

I have been looking at Take That's last album. I am no take that fan, and I don't much like pop music. I don't think they are evil, buut there is something working behind their vid's and lyrics. I have to look into it more but here are a few things to note.

Notes:

They are always singing about stars. Check out the lyrics to their entire album " Beautiful Day". (is there something in freemasonry related to sun worship? Or son gods? ).

http://www.lyred.com/lyrics/Take+That/Beautiful+World/

I can't work out who he would be speaking to in most of these songs. Bt it's not a woman. maybe an entity of some sort? I suspect that most of the band think it's highly spiritual and uplifting, and maybe so. But their record company is exploiting them for something darker.

Next we have their latest single. Here's the new video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzMLGH1Rfs

We start out with a helicopter view of the finincial district of LA.
The band are standing on a helipad with a massive number 12 on it.

3 members of the band stare on at it for a second or 2 (represtenting the world staring on to 2012 maybe?).

You have to wonder, why put them on a lower level building? There are plenty of taller buildings in the area. Well, I think it's so that when they raise their arms and say " stay close to me" etc, it is easily manipulated to make it look as though they are worshiping the banks.

The white slim building in the background is the US Bank building, and the big tall black one is CitiGroups building. Not far away is a Disney building, and surely, where ever Disney is, occultism is not far away. lol

Check out the area on google earth, there is a building with an eye on top of it too. I think it's a gas company.

That's all on this vid for now. There is more (loads of stars falling from the sky , strange redness in the sky at the end etc) but I'm tired. I'll have a look at the rest tomorrow.

Anyway, read and listen and compare lyrics to video and tell me what you think. Look at their recent singles since 2006. They all have a recurring theme . STARS. Sirius anyone. The DOG star??


Today this could be, the greatest day of our lives
Before it all ends, before we run out of time
Stay close to me,
Stay close to me
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay close to me.

Tonight this could be the greatest night of our lives
Let’s make a new start,
The future is ours to find
Can you see it, can you see it in my eyes
Can you feel it now, can you hold it in your arms tonight
Hold on
Hold on,
Hold on
Hold on (Tonight)
Hold on
Hold on

Oh stay close to me (Hold On)
Stay close to me
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay closes me

Ooooooh
Hold your head high, (Hold On)
Arms open wide
Yea the world starts to come alive when you stay close it me

Today this could be the greatest day of our lives
Today this could be the greatest day of our lives

Oooooh
And the world comes alive
And the world comes alive
And the would comes alive
Oh oh oooooh
Stay close to me (and the world comes alive) hold on
Stay close to me (and the world comes alive)
Watch the world come alive tonight
Stay close to me (Hold on)
Oh stay close to me and the world comes alive
Stay close to me and the world comes alive

Watch the world come alive tonight
(stay close to me) oh oh ohoooo


Great reply! Wasn't Robbie Williams in Take That? Well supposedly he's now friends with David Icke. Robbie Williams was once considered one of the biggest stars in the world but he changed his musical direction and started questioning things and now he's a lot less popular than he once was. Maybe the elite stopped supporting him.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a87244/robbie-williams-befriends-david-icke.html

[serenevasaline]

Great reply! Wasn't Robbie Williams in Take That? Well supposedly he's now friends with David Icke. Robbie Williams was once considered one of the biggest stars in the world but he changed his musical direction and started questioning things and now he's a lot less popular than he once was. Maybe the elite stopped supporting him.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a87244/robbie-williams-befriends-david-icke.html

Well, yes. The two of them (Robbie and Gary) recently went out to a Football match together and were interviewed briefly. They are mates again. Maybe Robbie is trying to warm him. And Robbie used to be mates with Oasis, and they also seem to have a good understanding of all of this stuff (check out their lyrics from their last two albums).

Also, Thanks to my mother, I got to watch a Take That live dvd recently, and there was sooo much star related stuff in that. And they raise a woman from the dead in a tribal dance routine. Strange stuff.

Take that's new album is called "the circus " I think. Have a look around. There is sooo much circus stuff in the music right now. I think Britany Spears latest tour is called the circus tour, Then we have Sam Sparrows song. Also about stars, or a god. And he is dressed in a top hat.

[yeshua]

Well, yes. The two of them (Robbie and Gary) recently went out to a Football match together and were interviewed briefly. They are mates again. Maybe Robbie is trying to warm him. And Robbie used to be mates with Oasis, and they also seem to have a good inderstanding of all of this stuff (check out their lyrics from their last two albums).

Also, Thanks to my mother, I got to watch the whole of a take that live dvd recently, and there was sooo much star related stuff in that. And they raise a oman from the dead in a tribal dance routine. Strange stuff.

Take that's new album is called "the circus " I think. Have a look around. There is sooo much circus stuff in the music right now. I think Britany Spears latest tour is called the circus tour, Then we have Sam Sparrows song. Also about stars, or a god. And he is dressed in a top hat.

I have definitely noticed all of the circus themes in music recently. Christina Aguilera had the whole circus theme on her last album and T-Pain has also been using it.

Another thing I've noticed is that multiple personalities and dual personalities are all over the industry.

Ludacris - Theater of the Mind
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Theater_of_the_Mind.jpg

and look at this ad promoting Christina Aguilera's new album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRLlG0nKnY

Not to mention Britney and Christina's new videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZSLIq6YiRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9Rdn2-ETA

I don't see how people can deny that there's something going on.

And how can I forget Beyonce's whole Sasha Fierce alter ego. They're trying to normalize what they've been doing to stars from the beginning by publicizing it.

[serenevasaline]

and look at this ad promoting Christina Aguilera's new album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRLlG0nKnY


Wow!

Did you see Christina's 'Devil Horns' hand sign there?Of all of the video to choose, why choose that bit for the ad eh?
I know what you mean. I am starting to think the whole industry is a cult. It's kinda sad though because I can't enjoy music anymore. Not that I ever listened to these artists, but you know what I mean.

I've mentioned this on here before, but there is a trend of trying to change kid's sexuality in msic.

Katy Perry and Beyonce both have songs out at the moment with a theme of either becoming lesbian or bi, or wishing you were one of the guys.

Thanks for the links, I'll check em out now =)

[serenevasaline]

have you noticed the symbolism on the chairs on the Ludicris album??

I'm sure you have, just making sure:D

[serenevasaline]

oh , and check out the release date for the Christina album, 11.11.08.

11.11

Have you read about the meanings of 11 ?

the other link wasn't working so I'll repost the vid here. (up in the descriptions box is the release date.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zASL04bgJ70

[stelios]

Let's start off with Britney Spears, who many believe is Madonna's heir.

Britney Spears was not Madonna's heir Britney Spears was Madonna's victim.
Madonna ensnared her into her evil Kabbalah cult and she managed to break free of her programming.
We all saw this play out in public.
Britney appears cured now but Madonna is reportedly trying to get her back under control again. Britney's mum is keeping her away.

[serenevasaline]

Britney Spears was not Madonna's heir Britney Spears was Madonna's victim.
Madonna ensnared her into her evil Kabbalah cult and she managed to break free of her programming.
We all saw this play out in public.
Britney appears cured now but Madonna is reportedly trying to get her back under control again. Britney's mum is keeping her away.

Scary.

I agree , Madonna entrapped her.

Kabbalah is not meant to be a cult though. More of a teaching. Anyone can stdy Kabbalah. That's all I know though. I know that a lot of Jewish people considered her Kabbalah period as a joke though.

[yeshua]

have you noticed the symbolism on the chairs on the Ludicris album??

I'm sure you have, just making sure:D

I did not notice! Thanks for pointing that out. The symbolism is everywhere. You have to look at every detail these days.

[yeshua]

Wow!

Did you see Christina's 'Devil Horns' hand sign there?Of all of the video to choose, why choose that bit for the ad eh?


You have a good eye!

[yeshua]

Britney Spears was not Madonna's heir Britney Spears was Madonna's victim.
Madonna ensnared her into her evil Kabbalah cult and she managed to break free of her programming.
We all saw this play out in public.
Britney appears cured now but Madonna is reportedly trying to get her back under control again. Britney's mum is keeping her away.

That's true but I think Britney was mind controlled way before that. She was apart of the Micky Mouse club and that's where I believe her programming started. As the links that I posted show symbolism has been in her videos since her very first. I think they're using celebrities to normalize their views and that's why we have Kabbalah. David Bowie introduced Kabbalah to pop culture in the 70's and it caused controversy. Later Jagger joined and later Madonna. Now people don't even second guess it when they hear Lindsay or Demi are Kabbalahlist. It's completely normalized. I believe they are currently doing this with Freemasonry in Hip-Hop. Years from now it will be out in the open.

[stelios]

Scary.

I agree , Madonna entrapped her.

Kabbalah is not meant to be a cult though. More of a teaching. Anyone can stdy Kabbalah. That's all I know though. I know that a lot of Jewish people considered her Kabbalah period as a joke though.
Kabbalah is a way of controlling people.
It is being promoted as a mechanism for hooking rich and famous people in.
Let me make clear we are talking about the Kabbalah Centre which is a private business founded in the United States in 1965 as The National Research Institute of Kabbalah by Philip Berg (born Feivel Gruberger) and Rav Yehuda Tzvi Brandwein. After Brandwein's death, and after several years in Israel, Philip Berg and his wife Karen Berg, re-established the Kabbalah Centre in New York. The current headquarters of the Kabbalah Centre in Los Angeles was opened in 1984. Karen and their sons Yehuda and Michael act as Directors and Spiritual Leaders of the organization. The organization is a registered non-profit which means they dont pay tax but it has over fifty branches worldwide, including major ones in Los Angeles, New York City, London and Toronto.

Kabbalah Centre Inc has NOTHING to do with the Jewish religion or Judaism and it is considered a Joke by real Jews and herecy by others.

I would have to say with all honesty kabbalah Centre Inc is a Zionist organisation and run for the benefit of Israel in raising funds and support.
Effectively it is a way of creating an army of psuedo Zionists amongst the rich and famous. people who might have otherwise become Hari Krishnas, Scientologists, Moonies, etc.

It is a business in the marketplace competing for punters like any other business.
It is an evil cult.
Madonna is the ambassador, her lyrics and actions are full of Kabbalah symbolism.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/07/01-07/madonna-britney-740830.jpg
Evil witch snares the innocent virgin.

[serenevasaline]

Thanks for the info Stelios.

OK, I get you're point. I remember visiting their website and it had the same feel as Scientology.
They all seem to be rich and attractive, and they kept on talking about "tools" in their vids. " You'll recieve the right tool's for like" etc etc.

The picture is rancid. Not because it's girls kissing, but it has a real sinister feel . I supose it's meant to be that way. And notice how Britney is lifting her skirt ever so slightly too. It's sick sick sick. I feel so sorry for 12 - 17 year olds specially these days. They must be so confused.

[yeshua]

There's spaceships featured in the performance of "Into The Groove". The drawings are from 80's artist Keith Haring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tcIjPz69Dw

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=keith+haring+spaceship&sp=1&fr2=&y=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt&js=1&ni=21&ei=UTF-8&SpellState=n-2155909385_q-Eoq0hEhJMj/AzL7CX3R1AwAAAA@@

[yeshua]

Madonna once again tries to be political. Not only does she fully endorse Al Gore's propaganda but she also promotes the left/right paradigm we're all expected to live under.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3Id7riTWM

She fully exploits the Obama hype machine by selling this t-shirt at all of her shows.

http://madonna.fanfire.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/fanfire.woa/wa/product?sourceCode=MDNWEB&sku=MDN45082

During the tour she bad mouthed Sarah Palin on stage several times. I swear, this woman will jump on any bandwagon if she thinks it will gain her publicity or make her look cool. At least in the past she was kind've rebellious, now she just says the same things everyone else says.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=madonna+sarah+palin&search_type=

[yeshua]

All seeing eye with a Sun behind it featured in a horrible Techno remix of "Like a Prayer".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwORLminxo

[yeshua]

Checkerboard on the backdrop video for "Hung Up".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCbfd_rU0g

[yeshua]

Madonna displays her "hook em horns".
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/houston_161108_michael10news.jpg

More info on the origins of "hook em horns" : http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/horn-hex-rally-satanic-origin-of-the-ut-hook-em-horns/

Other celebrities and/or politicians doing the hand sign.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/eugene2b.jpg

Eugene Hutz of punk band Gogol Bordello (this is not only going on in pop music). You may remember Gogol Bordello performed with Madonna at Al Gore's Live Earth. Gogol Bordello are getting a lot of attention right now. They are suppose to be really political and anti-establishment yet they are doing a hand sign George Bush frequently does. Eugene also starred in Madonna's film Filth & Wisdom. You can see him in the trailer falling into a checkerboard floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqpSaFjViXY

Gwen Stefani
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/gwenvshz3.jpg

Barack Obama

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/obama20081thumbrv0.jpg

[yeshua]

Rapper Q-Tip flashes the "hook em horns" in his new video "Gettin Up". He also did the same sign while performing at VH1's Hip-Hop Honors and on his Soundstage concert. So sadly he is now apart of this. That's too bad because I use to love him in A Tribe Called Quest. Oh well, another one bites the dust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A3OHelBweY

As the videos on the first couple of pages show Jay-Z, Kanye, and Nas are all Freemasons. Here is a picture of Nas and Q-Tip doing the "handshake". So as you can see Q-Tip has definitely sold out.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/29vc7cw.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56CaT7c0XZY

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/r1693714564.jpg

[howie]

http://i36.tinypic.com/68x4oz.jpg

Note the 5 pointed star on Madonnas belt, her cousin Gwen Stefani also has a subliminal star in the opening frame of her video with Akon.

Madonna co wrote Give it to me with Pharrell Williams who says "I'm fascinated with Masonic practices because they are instilled deeply in our government and culture. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the history of the people who put our country together, the secret societies and the oaths they take, there's a lot of history with Masonry there".

http://masonictraveler.blogspot.com/2006/01/what-im-reading-pharrell-willimas.html

He also co wrote several songs with Gwen Stefani on her last album including the sound of music inspired Wind It Up, the video is covered with 666s & Julie Andrews was given a hollywood star on 3/26/66.
It can be seen again in the sweet escape video on the roof of the buildings next to the replica twin towers, there is an unknown planet reflecting off the south tower and a face on the other tower.

http://i33.tinypic.com/u7qyq.jpg

Pink, Gwen & Jennifer Lopez were all considered for the vma ritual

What these delusional bunch do not know is that Christina was the LAST choice to perform with Madonna. Madonna picked Britney Spears and Pink to do the show, but Pink turned it down, then Gwen Stefani was asked and she turned it down, then Jlo was asked and she also turned it down. Once again, Christina was the last resort and Britney is being picked first. Christina was not even the first, second or third choice so Madonna and Britney Spears obviously did not plan to make a mockery of Christina.

http://i38.tinypic.com/jjle15.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/5ouw0k.jpg

[Ian2day]

Maybe 99% of the lyrics wee written by a Manchurian candidate who rebelled against his programming...

[schaff]

Later on in her performance of "Human Nature" she brings out her guitar for Rock remix of the song. As you can see there's a skull on her guitar strap along with another symbol; I'm not sure of it's meaning but I've seen it on A LOT of peoples clothes lately. Maybe someone can identify it and give some info on it. Anyway, basically the performance is of Madonna on the guitar with a video of Britney Spears trapped in an elevator on the screens behind her. Over at Pseudo-Occult Media there's a detailed description of the video (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/07/britney-losing-her-mind-trapped-inside.html)



Its called the Fleur-de-lis and it is very illuminati.

http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/SH200_Fleur-de-Lis.JPG

This site explains a bit about its origins.

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/the-baphomet-of-mendes-the-fleur-de-lis/

The royals use it so it must be dodgy!:D

http://www.fleurdelis.com/royal.htm

[serenevasaline]

heySchaff,
Thanks for the links. I had no idea how to find that last night. lol.

[yeshua]

http://i36.tinypic.com/68x4oz.jpg

Note the 5 pointed star on Madonnas belt, her cousin Gwen Stefani also has a subliminal star in the opening frame of her video with Akon.

Madonna co wrote Give it to me with Pharrell Williams who says "I'm fascinated with Masonic practices because they are instilled deeply in our government and culture. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the history of the people who put our country together, the secret societies and the oaths they take, there's a lot of history with Masonry there".

http://masonictraveler.blogspot.com/2006/01/what-im-reading-pharrell-willimas.html

He also co wrote several songs with Gwen Stefani on her last album including the sound of music inspired Wind It Up, the video is covered with 666s & Julie Andrews was given a hollywood star on 3/26/66.
It can be seen again in the sweet escape video on the roof of the buildings next to the replica twin towers, there is an unknown planet reflecting off the south tower and a face on the other tower.

http://i33.tinypic.com/u7qyq.jpg

Pink, Gwen & Jennifer Lopez were all considered for the vma ritual

What these delusional bunch do not know is that Christina was the LAST choice to perform with Madonna. Madonna picked Britney Spears and Pink to do the show, but Pink turned it down, then Gwen Stefani was asked and she turned it down, then Jlo was asked and she also turned it down. Once again, Christina was the last resort and Britney is being picked first. Christina was not even the first, second or third choice so Madonna and Britney Spears obviously did not plan to make a mockery of Christina.

http://i38.tinypic.com/jjle15.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/5ouw0k.jpg

Pharrell also has a clothing line called the Billionaire Boys Club. He's the man behind Britney's hit "Slave 4 U" which was originally written for Janet Jackson.

Here's Gwen using skull and bones imagery on one of her tours. The song "Rich Girl" features Eve who has been very symbolic in her work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFtoZ596LY

http://mixmatters.com/hot/2007/images/eve-tamborine.jpg
mirror/reflection symbolism

[yeshua]

Maybe 99% of the lyrics wee written by a Manchurian candidate who rebelled against his programming...

Care to elaborate?

[yeshua]

Its called the Fleur-de-lis and it is very illuminati.

http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/SH200_Fleur-de-Lis.JPG

This site explains a bit about its origins.

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/the-baphomet-of-mendes-the-fleur-de-lis/

The royals use it so it must be dodgy!:D

http://www.fleurdelis.com/royal.htm

Thank you so much for that information! I've been seeing this symbol on a lot of clothing lately. As many of you have probably noticed skulls are very popular in fashion as well. People are wearing occult and illuminati symbols without even realizing it.

[howie]

Pharrell also has a clothing line called the Billionaire Boys Club. He's the man behind Britney's hit "Slave 4 U" which was originally written for Janet Jackson.

Here's Gwen using skull and bones imagery on one of her tours. The song "Rich Girl" features Eve who has been very symbolic in her work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xFtoZ596LY



I hadn't noticed she used the skull & bones on the tour, I know they used it at the grammy awards and Stefani has skulls/bones curtains & masonic checkered floors in her house. Her harajuku lovers clothing has nazi SS logos on them and even a jacket called reptilian! Eve also has a clothing line with similar illuminati symbols hidden all over them, she was also in the movie XXX.

The song 'Rich Girl' was originally called If I were a Rothschild before it was changed to Rich Man for fiddler on the roof.

Gwen, Eve & Moby (born 11 september 1965) were presented with a award by Will Smith at the vmas 5 days before 9/11.

[yeshua]

I hadn't noticed she used the skull & bones on the tour, I know they used it at the grammy awards and Stefani has skulls/bones curtains & masonic checkered floors in her house. Her harajuku lovers clothing has nazi SS logos on them and even a jacket called reptilian! Eve also has a clothing line with similar illuminati symbols hidden all over them, she was also in the movie XXX.

The song 'Rich Girl' was originally called If I were a Rothschild before it was changed to Rich Man for fiddler on the roof.

Gwen, Eve & Moby (born 11 september 1965) were presented with a award by Will Smith at the vmas 5 days before 9/11.

Wow! Fascinating stuff. Gwen is related to Madonna so that makes her a part of the bloodline as Madonna is related to Hillary Clinton and Angelina Jolie.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20156924,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentcnn

[serenevasaline]

I hadn't noticed she used the skull & bones on the tour, I know they used it at the grammy awards and Stefani has skulls/bones curtains & masonic checkered floors in her house. Her harajuku lovers clothing has nazi SS logos on them and even a jacket called reptilian! Eve also has a clothing line with similar illuminati symbols hidden all over them, she was also in the movie XXX.

The song 'Rich Girl' was originally called If I were a Rothschild before it was changed to Rich Man for fiddler on the roof.

Gwen, Eve & Moby (born 11 september 1965) were presented with a award by Will Smith at the vmas 5 days before 9/11.

OMG!!

i never knew the songs origins. That is so relevant when you think of the fame she has had since that song. Or at least, album.

See, one of my favorite patterns on clothing is skulls and cross bones.
What are the origins of this? when did people start wearing this?

[serenevasaline]

I did a search for Michael Jacksons Blood on the dance floor and the found that Madonna's album was called Confessions on a Dance Floor.

There is looooads of symbolism on the front of that Jacko album.

He is wearing red, he is the blood. maybe he's a sacrifice. A freemason sacrifice? Due to the checkered floor.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002BVN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://www.confessionsonadancefloor.com/confessions.jpg

Watch this vid. It's just wierd.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x5vANeg4Wic

Then I also found this. This is from her Confessions on a dance floor tour.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/madonna-madonna-performs-her-concert-confessions-on-a-dance-floor-in-new-york-0LDr8u.jpg

This is one sick woman. What the hell? She exploits EVERYTHING for fame and money.

Watch the vid and tell me what you make of it guy's.

[yeshua]

I did a search for Michael Jacksons Blood on the dance floor and the found that Madonna's album was called Confessions on a Dance Floor.

There is looooads of symbolism on the front of that Jacko album.

He is wearing red, he is the blood. maybe he's a sacrifice. A freemason sacrifice? Due to the checkered floor.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002BVN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://www.confessionsonadancefloor.com/confessions.jpg

Watch this vid. It's just wierd.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x5vANeg4Wic

Then I also found this. This is from her Confessions on a dance floor tour.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/madonna-madonna-performs-her-concert-confessions-on-a-dance-floor-in-new-york-0LDr8u.jpg

This is one sick woman. What the hell? She exploits EVERYTHING for fame and money.

Watch the vid and tell me what you make of it guy's.

Michael Jackson is definitely involved in Masonry. If you watch the "Beat It" video you'll see him throwing up the horn sign a lot. As far as that album it's interesting that there's a checkerboard on the cover.

Madonna excuse for the performance of her on the cross was so pathetic. She buys into her own hype so much sometimes.

http://www.hecklerspray.com/jesus-not-mad-at-madonna-for-crucifixion-stunt

She is so ridiculous sometimes.

[quetzalcoatl]

Here is a list of Madonna some of the songs that feature the word "dance".

Everybody (her debut single)
Material Girl
Pretender
Into The Groove
You Can Dance (album)
Spotlight
Like a Prayer
Vogue
Don't Stop
Music
Impressive Instant
Candy Shop
Heartbeat
Dance 2Night
Triggering

Knew there was a reason for my powerful dis-like of most of the pop crap they push out.. - Much more than just bad music..

Definitely programming - with lyrical repetition, general retarding/dumbing/sexualizing, symbolic themes & analogical word/phrase allusion - Pretty suspicious of MK techniques..

Scary thing is the public lap this shite up.. :mad:

Yeh, the symbolism is rife!

Good work. :)

OMG!!

i never knew the songs origins. That is so relevant when you think of the fame she has had since that song. Or at least, album.

See, one of my favorite patterns on clothing is skulls and cross bones.
What are the origins of this? when did people start wearing this?

'Popular' interpretation is a symbol of Death or Pirates approaching danger or even evil.. However, the true meaning & origins probably stretch back further into medieval times where it may have been utilized by the Knights Templar in crusading campaigns on Jerusalem.

Title & symbol of the Secret Fraternity 'Skull & Bones' - Where all of the above themes apply..

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Plumed_Serpent/SkullBones322.jpg

Skull is pretty simple - it signifies Death.. (in this case the 'Brotherhood of Death') The Cross below is interesting.. Death on a Cross? Death @ the time/galactic positioning of the Cross? 322 is said to be a Chapter or phase of a Greater Germanic Order.. Bavarian Illuminati?

Skull & Bones temple at Yale University.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Plumed_Serpent/SkullBones-Yale.jpg

Building of the Tomb was Funded by the original Euro/Germanic opium bootleggers to America. Confirmed Bones-men are Prescott (Grave robbed the Skull of Apache Chief Geronimo), Herbert Walker, & George W Bush, John Kerry.. More: http://www.illuminati-news.com/skull-&-bones-memberlist.htm

I can see how the gullible get drawn-in/'tapped' by pseudo-occult knowledge & probably make excellent privileged puppets.. Skull & Bones is pretty much a convenient recruiting ground to secretly vet future 'Illumes' - in context; people of influence/power in American politics. :eek:

'It' never really went away..

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Plumed_Serpent/swastika.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

Lmao :D

- it is, after all, the first Madonna publicity stunt for ages that didn't involve seeing an old lady rolling about the floor with her fanny hanging out.

[Ian2day]

Care to elaborate?


I was spotted at a young age by a group of corrupt people. When they found out I was learning how to read music at the age of about 9. They banned my teacher from teaching the whole class how to read and write music. The reason I was targetted was because of who I am related to.

Over the years various different groups via a process of industrial espionage or plain luck have found out about me. One such group is the New Labour government who actually got caught plagiarising another students thesis as an excuse to invade Iraq for WMD's which have never been found.

The government at the moment is actively engaged in a conspiracy to cover up what has happened. As the major politicians from the three party's have all had their private police forces stealing my IP. Of course people choose to disbelieve me as what I claim to of happend really beggers belief. That one I didn't realise sooner or two that not one single person ever has chosen to work with me instead of stealing from me.

You can find more of the story scattered round the forum in my posts. However some of my posts have a Winston Smith ala 1984 habit of just disapeering.

[yeshua]

I was spotted at a young age by a group of corrupt people. When they found out I was learning how to read music at the age of about 9. They banned my teacher from teaching the whole class how to read and write music. The reason I was targetted was because of who I am related to.

Over the years various different groups via a process of industrial espionage or plain luck have found out about me. One such group is the New Labour government who actually got caught plagiarising another students thesis as an excuse to invade Iraq for WMD's which have never been found.

The government at the moment is actively engaged in a conspiracy to cover up what has happened. As the major politicians from the three party's have all had their private police forces stealing my IP. Of course people choose to disbelieve me as what I claim to of happend really beggers belief. That one I didn't realise sooner or two that not one single person ever has chosen to work with me instead of stealing from me.

You can find more of the story scattered round the forum in my posts. However some of my posts have a Winston Smith ala 1984 habit of just disapeering.

So basically you're saying you wrote some of these songs and they were stolen from you?

[yeshua]

The Spice Girls reunion tour was full was full of symbolism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywSNbuxkOag

They opened the show with "Spice Up Your Life". On the screen projector you see what is suppose to be each member of the group as a child with the usual Harry Potter/Disney "magic" bullshit. They open a box and tons of butterflies come flying out of the box. As most of you probably know butterflies are the main symbol of MK Ultra Mind Control. This ties in nicely with the belief that most stars are programmed in child hood in order to entertain and program the masses later in their life.

The lyrics to the song are blatant programming. There's even references to dancing in the song which is, like stated before, a common theme in these songs.

"Flamenco
Lambada
But Hip Hop is harder
We moon walk the foxtrot
Then polka the salsa
Shake Shake Shake haka
Shake Shake Shake haka"

Lyrics to the full song : http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Spice-Girls/Spice-Up-Your-Life.html

Another thing I've noticed is the repetitive usage of "la la la" in a lot of these artists songs.

Here are some of the songs that use those lyrics.

Kylie Minogue - Can't Get You Out Of My Head
Madonna - La Isla Bonita
Goldfrapp - Oh La La

among others.

[yeshua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmKiHu4xkzA

Here is Mel B's solo from the show. The first thing you notice is her sexy leopard print outfit. Leopard clothing is common in kitten programming. For more on kitten program click here (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/search?q=kitten). As if that wasn't enough she almost immediately throws up the "hook em horns" I posted about on one of the previous pages. The song she is singing is "Are You Gonna Go My Way" by Lenny Kravitz (who has been photographed wearing a Star of David necklace and has worked with Madonna three times). Let's take a look at the lyrics.

I was born long ago
I am the chosen I'm the one
I have come to save the day
And I won't leave until I'm done
So that's why you've got to try
You got to breath and have some fun
Though I'm not paid I play this game
And I won't stop until I'm done

But what I really want to know is
Are you gonna go my way?
And I got to got to know

I don' t know why we always cry
This we must leave and get undone
We must engage and rearrange
And turn this planet back to one
So tell me why we got to die
And kill each other one by one
we've got to love and rub-a-dub
We've got to dance and be in love

But what I really want to know is
Are you gonna go my way?
And I got to got to know

Are you gonna go my way?
'Cause baby I got to know
Yeah

I highlighted sections of the lyrics because all this "chosen", or "the one" talk is very Illuminati. Also more of that repetitive "dance" theme. By the way, I don't know many people who dance to Lenny Kravitz's music so there goes that theory.

[yeshua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oj7_wb1asw&feature=related

Emma/Baby Spice's solo

The main theme in this performance is black and white duality. Black and white imagery is used a lot in MK and Masonic symbolism because it represents duality, light and dark, two as one, etc. There's even a checkered boxes which is of course used in Masonry a lot.

I'm not going to get into all of the symbolism in the show, because I would be here all night, but if you're interested check it out for youself. All of the performances from the show are on Youtube. By the way, Madonna attended one of the London dates of this show. She's been known to attend shows from pop stars like the Spice Girls and Kylie Minogue who have followed her lead in using occult symbolism in their shows, videos, and albums.

[yeshua]

This guy on Youtube has a lot of interesting videos. He's obviously homophobic and has a religious agenda but you cannot deny some of the points that he brings up. Is it possible that all of the celebrities are throwing up the same signs by coincidence? I don't think so. Now he could have left out the accusations about their sex lives because not only is there no way he could know that information but it also makes discredits everything else he has to say. But once you get passed all of that the photos and info he provides are very interesting.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_h56TogHY

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=_9carHO6i8o

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DREa8beT_mI

This last one is highly controversial because he basically says Martin Luther King, among others, were simply a tool for the Illuminati but the information he provides is interesting and it's worth examination.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ay7JnnG33Q

[yeshua]

Remember the photos and video I posted of Madonna performing "Human Nature" with Britney Spears with a Fleur-de-lis symbol on her guitar strap? I also said I've been seeing that symbol on a lot of peoples clothes lately. Well this video goes into detail showcasing the occult symbols that are all over fashion these days. The Fleur-de-lis is shown throughout the video. VERY interesting.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3nepVqNWrYg

[angel wings]

That's true but I think Britney was mind controlled way before that. She was apart of the Micky Mouse club and that's where I believe her programming started. As the links that I posted show symbolism has been in her videos since her very first. I think they're using celebrities to normalize their views and that's why we have Kabbalah. David Bowie introduced Kabbalah to pop culture in the 70's and it caused controversy. Later Jagger joined and later Madonna. Now people don't even second guess it when they hear Lindsay or Demi are Kabbalahlist. It's completely normalized. I believe they are currently doing this with Freemasonry in Hip-Hop. Years from now it will be out in the open.

I agree with you entirely

[angel wings]

This image needs no explanation. She's been into this stuff from day one, damn scary.

http://theallseeingeye.tv/madonna-illuminati.jpg

[elysiansix]

[QUOTE=serenevasaline;639149]I love this thread. Thankyou for this.

I love uncovering truths in the industry. What better way for evil/negativity to work through the world, than use television, bright colours and music (which most people describe as an emotion in itself).

I have been looking at Take That's last album. I am no take that fan, and I don't much like pop music. I don't think they are evil, buut there is something working behind their vid's and lyrics. I have to look into it more but here are a few things to note.

Notes:

They are always singing about stars. Check out the lyrics to their entire album " Beautiful Day". (is there something in freemasonry related to sun worship? Or son gods? ).

http://www.lyred.com/lyrics/Take+That/Beautiful+World/

I can't work out who he would be speaking to in most of these songs. Bt it's not a woman. maybe an entity of some sort? I suspect that most of the band think it's highly spiritual and uplifting, and maybe so. But their record company is exploiting them for something darker.

We start out with a helicopter view of the finincial district of LA.
The band are standing on a helipad with a massive number 12 on it.

3 members of the band stare on at it for a second or 2 (represtenting the world staring on to 2012 maybe?).

You have to wonder, why put them on a lower level building? There are plenty of taller buildings in the area. Well, I think it's so that when they raise their arms and say " stay close to me" etc, it is easily manipulated to make it look as though they are worshiping the banks.

The white slim building in the background is the US Bank building, and the big tall black one is CitiGroups building. Not far away is a Disney building, and surely, where ever Disney is, occultism is not far away. lol

Check out the area on google earth, there is a building with an eye on top of it too. I think it's a gas company.

That's all on this vid for now. There is more (loads of stars falling from the sky , strange redness in the sky at the end etc) but I'm tired. I'll have a look at the rest tomorrow.

Anyway, read and listen and compare lyrics to video and tell me what you think. Look at their recent singles since 2006. They all have a recurring theme . STARS. Sirius anyone. The DOG star??

On Radio Steve Wright has just played the Take That song - and then announced the time: 14 to 3, which is of course Pi. The band TT (important in Zionism) are connected to the Zionist Messiah whose name is 'Mark' and are trying to appeal to someone with initials SJ, SE and name Sian, whose life they totally fucked up .....but they dont care - they just want her to spread her legs for this disgusting monster and provide a safe place for this psychological sicko ('Hey Im the Messiah but I'm not really - I'm the 9/11 of your Conscience and I'm here to destroy mankind, so watch out. Do what we say or we'll wipe you out').

This is all ANYONE in HOllywood/music is good for : promoting this stinking jewish twat who they are trying to pass as the reincarnated Messiah and who has connections to 'Christ' on his album covers - the XP on one and the numbers 888 on another. God people wake up. If you don't promote these morons in all you do you won't have a right to a life.

Everyone in the media is in on it.

[armoured_amazon]

When Take That first got back together I had a little reminisce and smiled. Then I listened and watched and was disappointed at the spiritual depths to which they have sunken just to climb back up the charts.

[false flag]

Has anybody seen the video clip to or heard the song from M.I.A titled paper planes?
here's a link to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g
At the start of the film clip it looks like you can see the WTC near brooklyn bridge or I may be mistaken.
Also in the song she mentions "skulls and bones" and the bit at the end of the song is just bloody bizarre.
she sings
some some some i murder
some some i let go!
So what in the hell is she singing about? Could it be about some type of ritual, ie the longest game that I read about in one of Icke's books. Interested to hear what you guys think.

[yeshua]

Has anybody seen the video clip to or heard the song from M.I.A titled paper planes?
here's a link to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g
At the start of the film clip it looks like you can see the WTC near brooklyn bridge or I may be mistaken.
Also in the song she mentions "skulls and bones" and the bit at the end of the song is just bloody bizarre.
she sings
some some some i murder
some some i let go!
So what in the hell is she singing about? Could it be about some type of ritual, ie the longest game that I read about in one of Icke's books. Interested to hear what you guys think.

MIA is someone I'm interested in as well. A lot of people see her as alternative but when she began working with people like Pharrell and Timbaland I became suspicious. The new singler Santogold is the woman behind most of MIA's hits (she wrote them). The image on her (Santogold's) debut disc is of a checkerboard. Also, MIA's producer/boyfriend Diplo has a solo album and there are a lot of references to NWO (Into The Sun, among others). One would assume they're anti Illuminati but you can never be so sure these days. MIA sure seemed to receive a lot of success in the past year...

Another artist I'm curious about is David Bowie. He obviously has had a lot of occult themes in his work. Like I mentioned earlier he was also responsible for bringing Kaballah/Cabbala to popular culture. But was that him exploring those themes or does he have an agenda? What do you guys think.

Interesting views on Bowie and the Occult : http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/bowie.htm

[serenevasaline]

Another artist I'm curious about is David Bowie. He obviously has had a lot of occult themes in his work. Like I mentioned earlier he was also responsible for bringing Kaballah/Cabbala to popular culture. But was that him exploring those themes or does he have an agenda? What do you guys think.

Interesting views on Bowie and the Occult : http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/bowie.htm

i dunno, but I was watching a docu on youtube called " THEY SOLD THEIR SOUL FOR ROCK AND ROLL" and in it they talked about Bowie. I can't remember much except a quote from him. When he was in Japan he said " I love all of the little boys. I just wanna take up to my room" :confused: Freeeeak!!!. lol

i would recommend that vid to everyone.

[elysiansix]

MIA is someone I'm interested in as well. A lot of people see her as alternative but when she began working with people like Pharrell and Timbaland I became suspicious. The new singler Santogold is the woman behind most of MIA's hits (she wrote them). The image on her (Santogold's) debut disc is of a checkerboard. Also, MIA's producer/boyfriend Diplo has a solo album and there are a lot of references to NWO (Into The Sun, among others). One would assume they're anti Illuminati but you can never be so sure these days. MIA sure seemed to receive a lot of success in the past year...

Another artist I'm curious about is David Bowie. He obviously has had a lot of occult themes in his work. Like I mentioned earlier he was also responsible for bringing Kaballah/Cabbala to popular culture. But was that him exploring those themes or does he have an agenda? What do you guys think.

Interesting views on Bowie and the Occult : http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/bowie.htm

The word 'MIA' is a variation on the core spiritual awakening sound of the spiritual aspects of humans - the 'I AM' presence.
Look at the album cover of David Bowie's 1972 (crucial year) record 'The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars' and see the sign above the door: it's a 'K. West'. Who's the new K West on the block? Why none other than KANYE WEST of course - into the Illuminati and the Occult. The symbolism behind 'K West' has big big big meaning for the Illuminati (and the human race). The Spiders are a reference to the Illuminati (Spiderman the film a reference to one of the aspects of the Zionist Messiah) who are from Mars - the planet of War. It used to represent all things spiritual (mentioned on my website www.isisalchemy.com) and good but now subverted to empower the Satanists and their wars. The Martians (Zionists-Illuminati) have landed on earth. Mars is the planet of the star sign LEO - the sign of the Zionist Messiah and a word that's around everywhere - Leona Lewis, Lionel Richie, Leon Jackson, Leonardo da Vinci, the lion symbols on virtually all football flags (plus England flag for UK team) and the LION OF JUDEA..........is another symbol for Christ. He's all over the place and no-one seems to pick up anything. Wake up everyone.

For more info on symbolism see http://www.elysiansix.com.

[yeshua]

The word 'MIA' is a variation on the core spiritual awakening sound of the spiritual aspects of humans - the 'I AM' presence.
Look at the album cover of David Bowie's 1972 (crucial year) record 'The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars' and see the sign above the door: it's a 'K. West'. Who's the new K West on the block? Why none other than KANYE WEST of course - into the Illuminati and the Occult. The symbolism behind 'K West' has big big big meaning for the Illuminati (and the human race). The Spiders are a reference to the Illuminati (Spiderman the film a reference to one of the aspects of the Zionist Messiah) who are from Mars - the planet of War. It used to represent all things spiritual (mentioned on my website www.isisalchemy.com) and good but now subverted to empower the Satanists and their wars. The Martians (Zionists-Illuminati) have landed on earth. Mars is the planet of the star sign LEO - the sign of the Zionist Messiah and a word that's around everywhere - Leona Lewis, Lionel Richie, Leon Jackson, Leonardo da Vinci, the lion symbols on virtually all football flags (plus England flag for UK team) and the LION OF JUDEA..........is another symbol for Christ. He's all over the place and no-one seems to pick up anything. Wake up everyone.

For more info on symbolism see http://www.elysiansix.com.

Thanks for the information. It's crazy how they all seem to be in on this. This is really ruining my love for music.

I remember looking at the cover for Ziggy Stardust one day and I thought of Kanye West. It's interesting because it's sort've like Kanye is now carrying the torch as the current controversial culture vulture in the same way that Bowie, Madonna, and others were in the past. Kanye wrote a blog about Madonna's recent photoshoot with photographer Steven Klein (read it here (http://www.kanyeuniversecity.com/blog/?em3106=216443_-1__0_~-1_-1_05_2008_0_0&em3298=&em3282=&em3281=&em3161=)) and someone commented "Madonna was the original risk-taker before Kanye". Of course there were others before Madonna (Marlene Dietrich, David Bowie, etc.) but it made me think. It's kind've like they need pop icons to fulfill certain roles and when they've either died or outgrown that role they find a new icon to fill those shoes. Like we have the blonde pop icons (Jean Harlow, Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, Britney Spears), the rebels (Marlon Brando, James Dean, Bob Dylan, etc), and so on.

Speaking of Kanye's blog, he also blogged about Santogold's recent collaboration with Freemason Jay-Z on their new song Brooklyn (blog link (http://www.kanyeuniversecity.com/blog/?em3106=215325_-1__0_~0_-1_12_2008_0_0&content=&month=12_2008&em3298=&em3282=&em3281=&em3161=)). As I mentioned before Santogold is the woman behind a lot of MIA's hits. I also mentioned I was keeping an eye on her because of the possible Masonic symbolism in her albums artwork. This new collaborate makes me even more suspicious because Jay-Z is completely involved in this. Interesting skull drawing behind Santogold in this picture Kanye used of her in his blog. Also the the song is called "Brooklyn". Of course Jay-Z is from Brooklyn so that's a possible reason for the title but there's a lot of symbolism associated with Brooklyn as well.

Here some info from Matthew Delooze's website taken from his article on David and Victoria Beckham and the possible reason they named their son Brooklyn.

Then there is Beckham's other son's name.... Brooklyn. Apparently they called him Brooklyn because that is where Victoria is said to have got pregnant. Bloody good job she didn't get pregnant here then eh? Mind you I have heard the name of that town and Beckham mentioned in the same sentence before.

Brooklyn means 'in between two lands' or broken land. Hence the name of the Brooklyn Bridge, created by Freemasons crediting Bro. John A. Roebling for doing so. Brooklyn carries a lot of symbolism dating back a long time. I can only suggest in this article that David Beckham's back is, on a symbolic level, on a par with a Temple of Rome or Church of Babylon. This sort of symbolism that is placed on a celebrity literally turns the celebrity into a walking temple of worship. When Beckham is cheered in the stadiums the spiritual energy created in the said stadium actually goes the the symbolism he carries and the creator of that symbolism. The Serpent Cult! (Entities that are alien to this world) The Cross of Rome and other Babylon/Sun symbolism painted on Beckham turns him in to walking temple of that symbolism and it is is worshipped when he is. Do you understand this?

Unfortunately, Matthew's site has been taken down but you can read all of his articles here (http://www.oneballradio.com/contributors/matthew_delooze/articles). The article about David Beckham is titled Paint Your Wagon! - Exposed: The true symbolism carried by David Beckham. Of course I've mentioned his wife Victoria and her involvement in all of this as a member of Illuminati creation the Spice Girls.

He also discussed Madonna a lot on his site. This article (http://www.oneballradio.com/matthew_delooze/you_say_shes_a_virgin) goes into detail about her performance at Live Earth and the possible "energy extracting" ceremonies these type of festivals represent. VERY interesting.


click here to read an article of festivals and what they're used for (http://www.oneballradio.com/node/155)

If his article is true imagine what a success Madonna's performance at Coachella was. Pure pandemonium. Speaking of Pandemonium let's look at the orgins of that word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemonium

Pandæmonium or Pandemonium may refer to:

* In Greek mythology, the entirety of malevolent spirits (Demons)
* Pandæmonium (Paradise Lost), the Palace of Satan from the epic poem Paradise Lost by John Milton

Now how many times has that word been used to describe hysteria at rock/pop concerts? Prince also recently performed at Coachella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_--WRuOd4

Here's Jay-Z headlining Glastonbury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDIOVXx-y8

Also click here (http://www.oneballradio.com/node/62) for Matt's thoughts on David Bowie.

[yeshua]

By the way, thanks for the link on symbolism.

[yeshua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-uIHvOO-c

Here's Madonna performing Like It or Not on her 2006 Confessions Tour.

First of all, behind her on the screens there is an animated video of either a snake or dragon. Now we all know serpents/snakes are a symbol of Kundalini awakening. So are dragons.

http://home.earthlink.net/~modelxsr/pages/kundalini.html

Madonna and fellow Kabbalist Red Hot Chilli Peppers along with Illuminati puppet Sting (mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe) were trained in Kundalini Yoga by Ana Brett and Ravi Singh.

http://centralhome.com/Ana-Brett-Ravi-Singh.htm

The Kundalini Chakra system represents the same process as the Kaballistic Tree of Life.

Now let's take a look at the lyrics.

Like It Or Not lyrics

You can call me a sinner
You can call me a saint
Celebrate me for who I am
Dislike me for what I ain't

Put me up on a pedestal
Or drag me down in the dirt
Sticks and stones will break my bones
But your names will never hurt

I'll be the garden
You be the snake
All of my fruit is yours to take
Better the devil that you know
Your love for me will grow
Because

[Chorus]
This is who I am
You can
Like it or not
You can
Love me or leave me
Cus I'm never gonna stop
No no

Cleopatra had her way
Matahari too
Whether they were good or bad
Is strictly up to you

Life is a paradox and it doesn't make much sense
Can't have the Femme without the Fatale
Please don't take offense

Don't let the fruit rot under the vine
Fill up your cup and let's drink the wine
Better the devil that you know
Your love for me will grow
Because

[Chorus X2]

no no you know [repeat]

I'll be garden
You'll be the snake
All of my fruit are yours to take
Better the devil that you know
Your love for me will grow
Because

[Chorus]

no no you know [repeat]

Here's some info on Mata Hari.

At 18, she answered an advertisement in a Dutch newspaper placed by a man looking for a wife. Margaretha married Dutch Colonial Army officer Rudolf John MacLeod in Amsterdam. They moved to Java (Dutch East Indies) and had two children, Norman and Jeanne-Louise.

The marriage was an overall disappointment. [7] MacLeod was a violent alcoholic who would take out his frustrations on his wife, who was half his age, and whom he blamed for his lack of promotion. He also openly kept both a native wife and a concubine. The disenchanted Margaretha abandoned him temporarily, moving in with Van Rheedes, who was another Dutch officer. For months she studied the Indonesian traditions intensively, joining a local dance company. In 1897, she revealed her artistic surname Mata Hari, Malay for "eye of the day" or the sun, via correspondence to her relatives in Holland.[4]

At MacLeod's urging, Margaretha returned to him although his aggressive demeanor hadn't changed. She escaped her circumstance by studying the local culture.[4] Their son Norman died in 1899 possibly of complications relating to the treatment of syphilis contracted from his parents, though the family claimed he was poisoned by an irate servant. Some sources[4] maintain that one of Rudolf's enemies may have poisoned a supper to kill both of their children (Norman and Jeanne-Louise). After moving back to the Netherlands, the couple divorced in 1903, with Rudolf forcibly retaining the custody of his daughter (who later died at the age of 21, also possibly from complications relating to syphilis).[8]

[edit] Paris

In 1903, Margaretha moved to Paris, where she performed as a circus horse rider, using the name Lady MacLeod. Struggling to earn a living, she also posed as an artist's model.

By 1905, she began to win fame as an exotic dancer. It was then that she adopted the stage name Mata Hari. She was a contemporary of dancers Isadora Duncan and Ruth St. Denis, leaders in the early modern dance movement, which around the turn of the 20th century looked to Asia and Egypt for artistic inspiration. Critics would later write about this and other such movements within the context of orientalism. Gabriel Astruc became her personal booking agent.[4]

Promiscuous, flirtatious, and openly flaunting her body with a mystique that captivated both her audiences and the public, Mata Hari was an overnight success from the debut of her act at the Musée Guimet on 13 March 1905.[9] Following that success, she became the long-time mistress of the millionaire Lyon industrialist Emile Etienne Guimet who founded the Musée. She posed as a Java princess of priestly Hindu birth, pretending to have been immersed in the art of sacred Indian dance since childhood. She was photographed numerous times during this period, nude or nearly so. Some of these pictures were obtained by MacLeod and strengthened his case in keeping custody of their daughter. (Remember Madonna's nude photo scandal in the 80's?)

She brought this carefree provocative style to the stage in her act, which garnered wide acclaim. The most celebrated segment of her act was her progressive shedding of clothing until she wore just a jeweled bra and some ornaments upon her arms and head.[4] She was seldom seen without a bra as she was self-conscious about being small-breasted.

Although the explanations and claims made by her about her origins were fictitious, the act was spectacularly successful because it elevated exotic dance to a more respectable status, and so broke new ground in a style of entertainment for which Paris was later to become world famous. Her style and her free-willed attitude made her a very popular woman, as did her eagerness to perform in exotic and revealing clothing. She posed for provocative photos and mingled in wealthy circles. At the time, as most Europeans were unfamiliar with the Dutch East Indies and thus thought of Mata Hari as exotic, it was assumed her claims were genuine.

By approximately 1910, myriad imitators had arisen. Critics began to opine that the success and dazzling features of the popular Mata Hari was due to cheap exhibitionism, lacking artistic attributes (Same criticism Madonna gets). Although she continued to schedule important social events throughout Europe, she was disdained by serious cultural institutions as a dancer who did not know how to dance (singer who doesn't know how to sing).[4]

Mata Hari was also a successful courtesan, though she was known more for her sensuality and eroticism rather than for striking classical beauty (again, we've heard this about Madonna). She had relationships with high-ranking military officers, politicians, and others in influential positions in many countries, including the German crown prince,[citation needed] who paid for her luxurious lifestyle.

Her relationships and liaisons with powerful men frequently took her across international borders. Prior to World War I, she was generally viewed as an artiste and a free-spirited bohemian, but as war approached, she began to be seen by some as a wanton and promiscuous woman, and perhaps a dangerous seductress.

[edit] Double agent

During World War I, the Netherlands remained neutral. As a Dutch subject, Margaretha Zelle was thus able to cross national borders freely. To avoid the battlefields, she traveled between France and the Netherlands via Spain and Britain, and her movements inevitably attracted attention. She was a courtesan to many high-ranking allied military officers during this time.[citation needed] On one occasion, when interviewed by British intelligence officers, she admitted to work as an agent for French military intelligence, although the latter would not confirm her story. It is unclear if she lied on this occasion, believing the story made her sound more intriguing, or if French authorities were using her in such a way, but would not acknowledge her due to the embarrassment and international backlash it could cause.

In January 1917, the German military attaché in Madrid transmitted radio messages to Berlin describing the helpful activities of a German spy, code-named H-21. French intelligence agents intercepted the messages and, from the information they contained, identified H-21 as Mata Hari. Unusually, the messages were in a code that German intelligence knew had already been broken by the French, leaving some historians to suspect that the messages were contrived.

[edit] Case

On 13 February 1917, Mata Hari was arrested in her hotel room at Hotel Plaza Athénée in Paris. She was put on trial, accused of spying for Germany and consequently causing the deaths of at least 50,000 soldiers. She was found guilty and was executed by firing squad on 15 October 1917, at the age of 41.

Pat Shipman's biography Femme Fatale argues that Mata Hari was never a double agent, speculating that she was used as a scapegoat by the head of French counter-espionage. Georges Ladoux had been responsible for recruiting Mata Hari as a French spy and later was arrested for being a double agent himself. The facts of the case remain vague, because the official case documents regarding the execution were sealed for 100 years.

One of the performances on the Re-Invention Tour was titled Susan MacLeod/Into the Groove. Susan could be in reference to Madonna's character in Desperately Seeking Susan (the song Into the Groove came from the DSS soundtrack) and as we just saw Mata Hari's husbands last name was MacLeoed and she used the name Lady MacLeod as a stage name at one point. Could Madonna be referencing Mata Hari again? If so, why?

By the way, this picture is from the movie DSS.

http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/celebrity/madonna_seeking_susan8.jpg

She also mentions Cleopatra. Here's a little info on Cleopatra.

Her patron goddess was Isis, and thus during her reign it was believed that she was the re-incarnation and embodiment of the goddess of wisdom.

Now this ties back in with the article I posted by Matt Delooze. Here's what he had to say about Madonna.


First of all let us look at the name ‘Madonna’. I believe Madonna is the symbolic Isis, a sun deity and symbolic Virgin/ Queen/ Mother of the world. Madonna simply means ‘Our Lady’ but our lady represents all goddesses doesn’t she? I also remind people that Big Ben (the world’s time) is dedicated to Queen Isis and her namesakes (see my book the Stars Are Falling).

Here's an episode of Disney hit TV Hannah Montana. In it there's a character who obviously is suppose to represent Madonna. What is that character's name? Isis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD2KKbxQPC4&feature=channel_page

One last tidbit about this performance. If you skip to 1:33 on the Youtube link when she says "Mata Hari too" she deos some kind of symbol/sign with her hands. It appears to be an eye (all seeing eye?) with three fingers (sun rays?) which is interesting considering Mata Hari was believed to be a spy. I've also seen both Britney Spears and Lady Gaga do this same sign around their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoVdcQ39M_I&feature=channel_page

On this performance Britney does the sign at 3:14. Interesting she "sings" "watching me" while she does it. Also this performance has a circus theme and as we just read Mata Hari started out as a horse rider in a circus (we also discussed the circus theme earlier in this thread).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAoPJxTvZOQ

Here's the Lady Gaga (Lady MacLeod?) video. If you skip to 0:33 (lol) you'll see her do the same sign.

Madonna has also used executions a lot in her shows and videos (Mata Hari was executed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAPh72JQ6qU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aitlk0YeJs

The writing in the second clip means "the great escape".

Here's the screen projections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRFkuNb9u6M

[yeshua]

The word 'MIA' is a variation on the core spiritual awakening sound of the spiritual aspects of humans - the 'I AM' presence.


It's interesting you mention that. Of course there's the movie I Am Legend starring Will Smith but here are some popular albums that have been out recently.

As I Am by Alicia Keys
I Am by Chrisette Michelle (she signed to Jay-Z's label, Jay-Z also discovered Rihanna. Chrisette Michelle also has a song with Will.I.Am on her album)
I Am...Sasha Fierce by Beyonce
Also one of Nas' older albums is called I Am... (see the links on Hip-Hop and Freemasonry for more on him)
Earth Wind & Fire has an album titled I Am (more on them later)

[serenevasaline]

yeshua....your posts are excellent.

this stuff is kinda ruining music for me too. I am analyzing all of my favorite bands music. The lyrics I passed off as crazy and nonsensicle suddenly make perfect sense.

[yeshua]

One last tidbit about this performance. If you skip to 1:33 on the Youtube link when she says "Mata Hari too" she deos some kind of symbol/sign with her hands. It appears to be an eye (all seeing eye?) with three fingers (sun rays?) which is interesting considering Mata Hari was believed to be a spy. I've also seen both Britney Spears and Lady Gaga do this same sign around their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoVdcQ39M_I&feature=channel_page

On this performance Britney does the sign at 3:14. Interesting she "sings" "watching me" while she does it. Also this performance has a circus theme and as we just read Mata Hari started out as a horse rider in a circus (we also discussed the circus theme earlier in this thread).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAoPJxTvZOQ

Here's the Lady Gaga (Lady MacLeod?) video. If you skip to 0:33 (lol) you'll see her do the same sign.



I've found various other pictures of celebrities and politicians holding up the same hand sign.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/sirfaul.jpg
Paul McCartney, OR FAUL depending on who you ask, LOL.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/mjchild.jpg
Michael Jackson as a child (the Jacksons were obviously MK victims and now MJ is an obvious Mason).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/jigga.jpg
Jay-Z, who has been mentioned here several times.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bleh.jpg
Even politicians are involved in this. I've already posted about Obama and Bush.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bep.jpg
Black Eyed Peas

[yeshua]

Pseudo-Occult Media had a very interesting blog about Kylie Minogue back in September. They pretty much covered a lot of symbolism that has been in her work throughout the years. What I found most interesting, though, were the clips of her current tour.

Here is a picture from the show:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/minoguepentagram.jpg
Now that is CLEARLY an inverted pentagram. It even has a goat's head inside of it! So blatant.

Here you can see a high quality Youtube link of the screen projection where you can tons of Occult symbolism. Please read the Pseudo-Occult Media blog post linked below for full details on her current tour and her entire career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOtEckUe5bU&feature=channel_page

Another performance from the show has obvious Masonic symbolism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_q_ArSP2qI

The woman playing piano at the beginning reminds me of the woman that was featured in Madonna's documentary I'm Going To Tell You S Secret (Occult = Secret, Hidden). She's featured at 7:57.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IEd3ZkGoU&feature=channel_page

"I thought it was good for them to see a number of artist performing from a different world ...it was good for them to see passion and expression but coming from a completely different sensibility." - Madonna

Click Here to read Pseudo-Occult Media's blog on Kylie Minogue's symbolism. (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/09/illumimusic-kylie-minogue.html)

[yeshua]

More from Pseudo-Occult Media.

Goldfrapp (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/09/illumimusic-goldfrapp.html)

Rihanna (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/09/illumimusic-rihanna.html)

Here's a screen cap from Janet Jackson's "Control" video.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/masoniccontrol.jpg
http://www.light1998.com/cults_that_kill/Worry/freemasonslogo150.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/713q4k5.jpg
On the cover of Kylie Minogue's X album she is wearing a sort of mask thing with hexagons on it. If you want to know what the symbolism behind hexagons means Click Here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6226036544608625413) (hint: hexagon)

Other hexagons in popular culture.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/britney_spears_300x400.jpg
Britney
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/vlcsnap-275241.png
The Bee Movie (Jerry Seinfeld, friend of admitted Mason and racist Kramer and friend of Madonna)
http://www.scottishrite.org/web/journal-files/Issues/sep03/casalou-cover.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/penelope_ver6.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/penelope_ver3_xlg.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/lindsay-lohan-marilyn-monroe-01.jpg
Marilyn Monroe, MK Sex Kitten...this was her last photo shoot before her mysterious death, by the way...
WHICH BRINGS US TO THE FOLLOWING PICTURE
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/67004hq4.jpg
Heath Ledger, who died shortly after filming this film (The Dark Knight).
Speculation about his death:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUgUO-Ec_Dc

[leeshort27]

absolute crap. laughable

[armoured_amazon]

Proud Satan Cross
Satan's Cur Droops
Adaptors Scorn Us

[soulja]

great thread yeshua!

really enjoyed reading through it..

btw some time ago i've made a thread about celebs and youthculture but more focusing on skull symbolism.
incase you haven't read it you might find it interesting..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12677&page=7

[comawhite015]

Pardon, I can't be bothered actually quoting the posts, but I need a bit of clarification here.

Is there really the suspicion here that referring to 'dancing' and 'dance floors'.. in pop songs.. is somehow a form of mind control or subliminal whatever-the-fuck?

*But* *that* *is* *what* *you* *do* *to* *music*.

And funnily enough! *That* *is* *where* *a* *lot* *of* *said* *act* *is* *done*!

Sure, a lot of people use symbolism in their work. But really..

.... This thread couldn't get any more paranoid if it tried.

[yeshua]

Pardon, I can't be bothered actually quoting the posts, but I need a bit of clarification here.

Is there really the suspicion here that referring to 'dancing' and 'dance floors'.. in pop songs.. is somehow a form of mind control or subliminal whatever-the-fuck?

*But* *that* *is* *what* *you* *do* *to* *music*.

And funnily enough! *That* *is* *where* *a* *lot* *of* *said* *act* *is* *done*!

Sure, a lot of people use symbolism in their work. But really..

.... This thread couldn't get any more paranoid if it tried.

So funny you just happened to reply to this thread after my replies in the Marilyn Manson thread. The "Dance" theory was pure speculation since it's a theme so commonly used in in artists work that have had major symbolism. The rest of the things I've posted in this thread I've backed up numerous links and information where other people have researched and came to the same conclusions as I have. It's really arrogant of you to just come in this thread calling people paranoid when people have spent lots of time researching the information for the links I've provided and have personal experiences. The photos from Kylie Minogue's X tour in particular cannot be disputed. But I think we both know why you replied anyway.

[yeshua]

great thread yeshua!

really enjoyed reading through it..

btw some time ago i've made a thread about celebs and youthculture but more focusing on skull symbolism.
incase you haven't read it you might find it interesting..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12677&page=7

Thanks, and thanks for the link.

[yeshua]

great thread yeshua!

really enjoyed reading through it..

btw some time ago i've made a thread about celebs and youthculture but more focusing on skull symbolism.
incase you haven't read it you might find it interesting..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12677&page=7

I find these two pictures from your thread very disappointing. Oh well, the truth is more important than being a fan.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Skullz/605849891_7975d41450_o.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/Anitababe/Skullz/616713104_be8b32463d_o.jpg

[titan]

Is this an ode to the illuminati blue bloods?

Chequer board at the diner too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8akXtOCaI

[comawhite015]

But I think we both know why you replied anyway.

You think you're even worth my time to pursue and spam? Please.

no I've wanted to ask about the 'dance' thing for a while..

Thanks for clearing it up.

[friendsinthesky]

I did a search for Michael Jacksons Blood on the dance floor and the found that Madonna's album was called Confessions on a Dance Floor.

There is looooads of symbolism on the front of that Jacko album.

He is wearing red, he is the blood. maybe he's a sacrifice. A freemason sacrifice? Due to the checkered floor.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002BVN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


You see it says 'HIStory in the mix' on the cover. HIS is in capital letters. Maybe get hold of the lyrics.

[Ian2day]

Blood on the dancefloor, does it sound a bit like, there be murder on the dancefloor. People need to start viewing or should that be looking at lyrics with the knowledge that most in the past 30 years have been written by one person. Even if people disbelieve me about being the one to write them all. If you take that they ll come from one person. then the similarity's make sense. The different music companies that have stolen fropm me have had some artists be vocal about other acts releaseing similar sounding albums recently.

[yeshua]

The Lord of the Rings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Dt7E-6ZZo&feature=channel_page

The video above discusses the symbolism of the novel and film The Lord of the Rings. It's a very interesting analysis because rings and rings symbolism are used a lot in popular culture. Let's start with Jay-Z's wife, Beyonce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3heXcfp_t4&feature=related

Here she is performing her song "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" at the American Music Awards. First of all she walks from a light (Luciferian?), also there's the usual theme duality as she and her dance are dressed in black and white outfits, not only that but one of her dancers is black while the other is white. But anyway, that isn't why I brought this song up. Could this song be talking about the symbolism used in The Lord of the Rings? Close to the end of the performance she points towards her wedding ring. She does this in most of the performances of this song as well as the video. A lot of people figured this was simply a reference to the fact that she and Jay-Z recently got married and I thought so too. Then came the following performance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBD-C3uv3cs

At the end she holds up her hand to show off her ring. Only this time the ring is on her right hand, so the symbolism behind the ring is not in reference to her marriage but something else. At the end of the performance she also throws up Jay-Z's infamous pyramid hand sign.

http://blog.wired.com/music/images/2008/04/03/jayz.jpg
http://www.aolcdn.com/red_galleries/07-beyonce-jay-z-400a051407.jpg

The video and performances for Beyonce's "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" are not just entertainment, but a public showcase of Beyonce (or her public image importance as a tool) being raised up higher into the Order. This is not the first time they've done this. I'm sure you all remember infamous "kiss" performance where Madonna promoted Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera into a higher status within the Order.

Don't believe that? I'm just being paranoid? Well let's take a look at a couple of videos by Shakira.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL0xp6XIp0Y

A simple song about Shakira leaving a man because he proposed to another woman, right? Well, let's take a look at the lyrics.

Don't Bother (Shakira)

She's got the kind of look that defies gravity
She's the greatest cook
And she's fat free (fat free fat free fat free)

She's been to private school
And she speaks perfect French
She's got the perfect friends
Oh isn't she cool

She practices Tai Chi
She'd never lose her nerve
She's more than you deserve
She's just far better than me

Hey, hey

So don't bother
I won't die of deception
I promise you won't ever see me cry
Don't feel sorry

And don't bother
I'll be fine
But she's waiting
The ring you gave to her will lose its shine
So don't bother, be unkind

I'm sure she doesn't know
How to touch you like I would
I beat her at that one good
Don't you think so?

She's almost six feet tall
She must think I'm a flea
I'm really a cat you see
And it's not my last life at all

Hey, hey

So don't bother
I won't die of deception
I promise you won't ever see me cry
Don't feel sorry

Don't bother
I'll be fine
But she's waiting
The ring you gave to her will lose its shine
So don't bother, be unkind

For you, I'd give up all I own
And move to a communist country
If you came with me, of course
And I'd file my nails so they don't hurt you
And lose those pounds, and learn about football
If it made you stay, but you won't, but you won't

So don't bother,
I'll be fine, I'll be fine, I'll be fine, I'll be
fine
Promise you won't ever see me cry(cry cry cry cry y y y y y)

And after all I'm glad that I'm not your type
Promise you won't ever see me cry y

Don't bother,
I'll be fine, I'll be fine, I'll be fine, I'll be
fine
Promise you won't ever see me cry cry cry cry y y y

And after all I'm glad that I'm not your type
(Not your type, not your type, not your type)
Promise you won't ever see me cry cry cry y y y y

So this ties in nicely with the initial analysis of The Lord of the Rings where it is believed the film promotes a Eugenics view of the world where the ones at the top of the pyramid are considered above the rest of us and the symbolism of the ring is the initiation into the elite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygctbqBijFk

"Hips Don't Lie"
(feat. Wyclef Jean)

Ladies up in here tonight
No fighting, no fighting
We got the refugees up in here
No fighting, no fighting

Shakira, Shakira

I never really knew that she could dance like this
She makes a man wants to speak Spanish
Como se llama (si), bonita (si), mi casa (si, Shakira Shakira), su casa
Shakira, Shakira

Oh baby when you talk like that
You make a woman go mad
So be wise and keep on
Reading the signs of my body

And I'm on tonight
You know my hips don't lie
And I'm starting to feel it's right
All the attraction, the tension
Don't you see baby, this is perfection

Hey Girl, I can see your body moving
And it's driving me crazy
And I didn't have the slightest idea
Until I saw you dancing

And when you walk up on the dance floor
Nobody cannot ignore the way you move your body, girl
And everything so unexpected - the way you right and left it
So you can keep on shaking it

I never really knew that she could dance like this
She makes a man want to speak Spanish
Como se llama (si), bonita (si), mi casa (si, Shakira Shakira), su casa
Shakira, Shakira

Oh baby when you talk like that
You make a woman go mad
So be wise and keep on
Reading the signs of my body

And I'm on tonight
You know my hips don't lie
And I am starting to feel you boy
Come on lets go, real slow
Don't you see baby asi es perfecto

Oh I know I am on tonight my hips don't lie
And I am starting to feel it's right
All the attraction, the tension
Don't you see baby, this is perfection
Shakira, Shakira

Oh boy, I can see your body moving
Half animal, half man
I don't, don't really know what I'm doing
But you seem to have a plan
My will and self restraint
Have come to fail now, fail now
See, I am doing what I can, but I can't so you know
That's a bit too hard to explain

Baila en la calle de noche
Baila en la calle de día

Baila en la calle de noche
Baila en la calle de día

I never really knew that she could dance like this
She makes a man want to speak Spanish
Como se llama (si), bonita (si), mi casa (si, Shakira Shakira), su casa
Shakira, Shakira

Oh baby when you talk like that
You know you got me hypnotized
So be wise and keep on
Reading the signs of my body

Senorita, feel the conga, let me see you move like you come from Colombia

Mira en Barranquilla se baila así, say it!
Mira en Barranquilla se baila así

Yeah
She's so sexy every man's fantasy a refugee like me back with the Fugees from a 3rd world country
I go back like when 'pac carried crates for Humpty Humpty
I need a whole club dizzy
Why the CIA wanna watch us?
Colombians and Haitians
I ain't guilty, it's a musical transaction
No more do we snatch ropes
Refugees run the seas 'cause we own our own boats

I'm on tonight, my hips don't lie
And I'm starting to feel you boy
Come on let's go, real slow
Baby, like this is perfecto

Oh, you know I am on tonight and my hips don't lie
And I am starting to feel it's right
The attraction, the tension
Baby, like this is perfection

No fighting
No fighting

Just a simple song about dancing? I think not.

[lostworld]

Like I said, read the Pseudo-Occult Media blog, it cannot all be a coincidence.

That's a really great blog! I follow what's posted there too.
Make's you open your eyes & mind even more.
The symbolism is really everywhere and all around you.
Very disturbing. :(

[lostworld]

Michael Jackson is definitely involved in Masonry. If you watch the "Beat It" video you'll see him throwing up the horn sign a lot. As far as that album it's interesting that there's a checkerboard on the cover.


Yeshua,
this is a great thread! :)

I don't agree with you on MJ though.

What's happened to MJ is just tragic.
In my opinion, he's clearly a victim of heavy mindcontrol. As all the rest of the Jackson family.

He's been fighting the illuminati for years and that's why he's being ridiculed and accused of being a pedophile etc.

He was so talented, he was one of the greatest stars ever and now he's just a joke to everybody.
They did it to discredit him I'm sure. MJ is not a pedophile.
In fact, if anything, I think he's asexual and trapped in a, for him, safe child-alter.

There are clues in MJ's lyrics. I haven't had the time yet to do more research on it though.

I actually believe that the cover for "Blood on the dancefloor" is a clue for us truthseekers more than real (evil) symbolism as in many other artists work.
He's telling us that there is "blood" - something bad, evil and shady (the illuminati bloodlines!) with the dance (the chequered/ the black and white/duality/several alters/ mindcontrol) floor aka the musicindustry!

His red coloured suit? In mind control red represents sexually compliant alters and blood... :rolleyes:

Yes, MJ also have much symbolism etc on previous albums BUT as he started to break free from his masters in the early 90's (same time as the media-deconstruction of the megastar MJ started) it's a whole different game.

You don't get lyrics like these from Madonna, Britney and the rest cause they are still very much within the system:

Skin head, dead head.
Everybody gone bad.
Situation, speculation.
Everybody, litigation.
Beat me, bash me.
You can never trash me.
Hit me, kick me.
You can never get me.

Beat me, hate me.
You can never break me.
Will me, thrill me.
You can never kill me.
Jew me, Sue me.
Everybody do me.
Kick me, kike me.
Don't you black or white me.
from Michael Jackson's
"They don't care about us"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU

If you think what happened to his appearance is :eek: - just think of what goes on inside the person. MJ is such a blatant victim of mindcontrol.
Now he's fighting back and "they" hate him for it.
That is my opinion.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3552/b000002bvn01sclzzzzzzzfj8.jpg

[yeshua]

Very interesting analysis on Michael Jackson. It's very possible that he broke out of his programming and that is the reason for his horrible public image and declining record sales. We all remember when Britney briefly broke out her career was considered to be over, now it's Britney mania all over again. Another pop star who I believe may have tried to break out of her programming is Kylie Minogue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwQlxCmenk

This video could be her addressing the different alters that have been programmed in her mind. Mind control victims that are still asleep are not aware of their different alters so this is why I think she was breaking out around this time. She has another song from the same album (Impossible Princess) that seems very anti Luciferian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whVNATvtxss

This fever I have is because of you
My body is blazing
The flames alight and lick at my ear
So that I can only hear
Muddled words of you
Through the years

Too many a trusted word was said
My body was porous
I savoured every drop of you
Took me it all as true
Now I wonder my way
Through the years
Through the years

Ooh you blinded me with all your light
I wish I could see now
Promises and lies ignite the fire
And I wonder why
I believed in you
Through the years
Through the years

Through the years of joy and laughter
Of tears and sadness
Of hopes and heart
Through the years of love and loving
Of hurt and healing
Falling apart
I believed in you

And I wonder wonder why
I'm no longer fooled by your disguise
I'm sorry that you are
I pity all the pretensions of you
And now I start anew
I wish my way
Through the years

This was her worst selling album, and at that time her career was believed to be over until she released "Spinning Around" (read about the MK themes of that song on POM) written by obvious MK victim Paula Abdul.

[yeshua]

Its called the Fleur-de-lis and it is very illuminati.

http://www.swordsandarmor.com/images/SH200_Fleur-de-Lis.JPG

This site explains a bit about its origins.

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/the-baphomet-of-mendes-the-fleur-de-lis/

The royals use it so it must be dodgy!:D

http://www.fleurdelis.com/royal.htm

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/o5s07a.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/gallery_main-britney-spears-dance-r.jpg

[yeshua]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/yao-ming.jpg
11
horns
bull head in the background

[yeshua]

Oh, and sorry about the videos I posted. A lot of them seem to have disappeared for some reason.

[yeshua]

I've found various other pictures of celebrities and politicians holding up the same hand sign.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/sirfaul.jpg
Paul McCartney, OR FAUL depending on who you ask, LOL.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/mjchild.jpg
Michael Jackson as a child (the Jacksons were obviously MK victims and now MJ is an obvious Mason).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/jigga.jpg
Jay-Z, who has been mentioned here several times.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bleh.jpg
Even politicians are involved in this. I've already posted about Obama and Bush.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bep.jpg
Black Eyed Peas

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/shiawastednighthewasarreste.jpg

[yeshua]

A section of an article on Madonna's divorce demands.

Madonna has the following over the top and unenforceable demands that the children eat a macrobiotic, vegetarian organic diet – in New York! Controlling the water and food the children eat and drink, what clothes they wear – they have to be dressed in what was sent, and any new clothes have cannot contain man-made fibers, their hands need to be regularly disinfected if they are in public, no toys that are “spiritually or ethically unsound” (Whatever that means!) She demanded control of what he reads to the children at bedtime – her book, the one she wrote – this clearly is over the top as an interference with his time with the children. She also demanded that the paternal grandparents not spend too much time with the children, this is another aspect of Parental Alienation, where the extended family is also targeted for alienation.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/oqaryt.jpg
Here's a picture of Madonna with her two children and David Banda, the kid Madonna adopted from Africa. As you can see he is wearing checkered shoes. The only shoes I've seen him in are these checkered shoes and Nike's. Nike is of course the Goddess of Victory and the shoe company's logo is considered by many to be symbolic of the rings of Saturn (satan).
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-04/23/xin_25204041814389532621067.jpg
David Banda in his Nike shoes, Madonna in her skull & bones Ed Hardy shirt.
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/usr/0/4075/madonna_45.jpg
This was the first photo of Madonna and Child (pardon the pun). He looks adorable here; she wasted no time in putting that Kabbalah red string around his wrist. And of course she has him in Nike's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocMUBeb9Ps
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/blackmamba2378/animated/oprah.gif
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/lourdes_2_cbbjpg.jpg
this picture caused controversy because Rocco (her son) is wearing a New York Yankees jersey. Of course most of us know Madonna was rumored to be having an affair Yankees member A-Rod after Rocco's father Guy Ritchie divorced her. Notice Lourdes is wearing a skull shirt.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/jszpma.jpg
Lourdes has a braclet/wristband with a skull on it.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/lourdes-leon-11th-birthday-07.jpg
Checkered coat, skull scarf/bandana around head, skull wristband, Kabbalah red string.
So this is what Madonna is demanding her children wear.
On a sidenote, Lourdes was one of the flower girls in the infamous Britney kiss performance at the VMA's in 2003. Why would Madonna involve her daughter in such a sexual performance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGlOWXdZGrc

[yeshua]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/lavey-manson.jpg
Here is a picture of Marilyn Manson with Satanist Anton LaVey who claims he had sex with Marilyn Monroe and was instrumental in kick-starting her career. Marilyn (Manson) has the David Bowie different color eyes (probably contacts, Bowie's are real), horns on his t-shirt (like the ones I posted in this thread), and behind them there is an inverted pentagram with a goat's head.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/marilynmason-1.jpg
Manson with a Masonic ring. Interpret these photos how you will. His fans believe he's just being artistic with some of his themes and that his messages shouldn't be taken literally. You be the judge, I'm only supplying photos and things that I notice.
More on Manson and the Occult : http://www.nachtkabarett.com/

[yeshua]

If Madonna was a mind control victim I believe her handler was her former dance teacher Christopher Flynn.

Madonna was introduced to the gay community while still a teenager. It was her ballet teacher, Christopher Flynn, a gay man, who first told Madonna that she was beautiful.[3] He also introduced her to the local gay community of Detroit, Michigan, often taking her to local gay bars. Flynn also encouraged Madonna to walk away from her full scholarship to the University of Michigan and move to Manhattan to pursue a career as a professional dancer.[3] Upon her arrival, some of the first people she befriended were drag queens and gay rentboys.[citation needed]

Everything described above plays a big role in Madonna's work. Homosexuality, clubs, and dancing are her most common themes (not that there's anything wrong with those things). His role in her moving to New York is very suspicious. Madonna talks about him A LOT in interview (especially in the first ten years of her career) and she still seems to reference that time in her work.
http://www.multinet.no/~jonarne/Hjemmesia/Favorittartister/madonna/hung-up.jpg
I'm sure you all remember the leotard from "Hung Up". Of course dancers wear leotards and in the video she starts off dancing in a studio and later she goes to a club. Sounds very similar to the stories of Christopher Flynn instructing her as her dance teacher and later on taking her to clubs at night (mind you, she was still in high school at this time).
A lot of her videos seem to reference him too. There's always an older flamboyant man watching over her or handling her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKoE4Ad3iMk
In "Deeper and Deeper" she is in a club dancing. Everyone seems to be around her age except an older man. As you can see from the video, the older man introduces Madonna and her peers to Black Magic. There are also a lot of Andy Warhol references in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4TAyYpJz4
"Bad Girl" is another video where an older male character is featured. In this video he is Christopher Walkins (Christopher Flynn, her brothers name is also Christopher) who plays an angel (this video was released right after Christopher Flynn died). If you read between the lines Madonna is using a lot of kitten symbolism in this video. As I stated before Kitten programming is a common theme in the mind control of MK Ultra Sex Kittens. At 2:54 you see Madonna's cat. She feeds him cat food and if you look closely she licks her fingers as if she just ate a can of cat food of her own. It's all supposed to be symbolic of the characters on the edge lifestyle/9 lives. After that there's a sequence of shots of Madonna eyes which are suppose to look like a cat and Christopher Walkins dancing (Christopher Flynn was her dance teacher). You also see her looking into three mirrors (multiple alters in her mind). At 4:26 there's a shot of a painting of a face that is sort've blurred, you can't see the face properly; symbolic of the characters state of confusion? They showed the painting for that amount of time for a reason.

Madonna's kitten alter seems to have been triggered again.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/madonavuitton1ih6.jpg
Leopard print shoes and braclet.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/1z6umxg.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/3111814708_0178e0fb4e_o.jpg

Click Here (http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2009/01/kittens-killed-at-kristmas.html) to read about Eartha Kitt and Kitten programming.

[yeshua]

How did Christopher Ciccone & Sean Penn become blood brothers?
Posted on July 20, 2008

42588 How did Christopher Ciccone & Sean Penn become blood brothers?

Sean Penn.

Madonna’s brother, Christopher Ciccone, wrote about how Sean Penn and Madonna dated. Sean Penn was encouraged by his friend who saw how interested he was in Madonna.

Madonna and Sean Penn had their first date on Feb. 13, 1985. They were 24 and 26 years old respectively at that time. After their first date, they became close and stayed together. Ciccone revealed that he shifted to LA to stay at Penn’s home in Malibu.

Just before Madonna married Penn, he made a simple pact with Ciccone to become blood brothers. He cut their thumbs and pressed them together in a symbolic gesture that meant the cementing of brotherhood for him. That was how Christopher Ciccone and Sean Penn became blood brothers.

By the way, Sean Penn starred in At Close Range where Christoper Walkins, who I just posted about, played his father. Madonna's "Live to Tell" was the single released for the soundtrack. The movie is based on a true story but there are obvious trauma based mind control references in the film. So there's another example of Christoper Walkins playing a handler.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/At_close_range_poster.jpg
Here is the cover with half face/split mind symbolism.

[yeshua]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mi7e00WbL._AA280_PIbundle-24,TopRight,0,0_AA280_SH20_.jpg
When the energy drink Rockstar first came out, their cans looked like this.
http://www.steelcitybevco.com.au/theme/products/rockstar.jpg
As time has gone by they've tilted the star logo more and more until the point where now it looks like an inverted pentagram.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Inverted_pentagram.png
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11139797/Rockstar_Energy_Drinks.jpg
If you buy an entire back like this you get a sticker with their logo on it.
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj315/Cheerluvdance13/Rockstar_Drink.jpg
It looks kinda like this but it's just the star with the mirrored R's without the black background. What do you get when you flip the sticker?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/Rockstar_Drink.jpg
http://www.paranormaltavern.com/pentagram%20levi.jpg
http://brandon.bagwellonline.com/randpics/baphomet.gif

[yeshua]

Let's play a game, LOL. See if you can spot what I see in this photo.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1521/woopentagramwr9.jpg

[yeshua]

I forgot to mention David Fincher directed Madonna's "Bad Girl" video. He's the director of Fight Club that is heavy on Illuminati symbolism. I may post a few things about that film soon.

I also wanted to post this video which explains the symbolism behind the double R's in pop culture (Rockstars logo features two R's mirrored). As you can see they show a picture of Rockstar energy drinks as well as a photo of Madonna and David Banda so it all ties in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhfX6A3DBsI&feature=channel_page

I actually recommend all of his videos. He's VERY good at spotting symbolism in movies. You can watch all of his videos by clicking here (http://www.youtube.com/user/soundlessdawn).

[yeshua]

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lourdesleon.jpg

Lourdes with her father, Carlos Leon. He's wearing an interesting shirt...

[noobcybot]

Nice work with the energy drinks Yeshua....I have some more.....

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w174/gio1991_2008/l_11fe9123a9a5105ca0ce1b093b6c7acd.jpg

http://www.wired.com/images/article/magazine/1507/st_redbull_f.jpg

http://www.healthyvend.org.uk/mediac/450_0/media/55002.jpg (notice the one eye in darkness? very important in symbolism)

http://www.linkvending.co.uk/Images%20Natural%20Foods%20Drinks/V%20Energy%20Drink%20Can.jpg

To go with those other ones with a lizard theme that you pointed out...

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj119/dwalms77/gatorade.jpg

Gator as in alligator.

If people still dont consider the possibility that such drinks are a relevant part of the Matrix....
heres and agent sellng you some powerade.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RxtpYawmc6I

[noobcybot]

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lourdesleon.jpg

Lourdes with her father, Carlos Leon. He's wearing an interesting shirt...

It aint important but that reallu reminded me of...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/jozzizi/Leon_natalieresize.jpg

[lostworld]

MTV wishes you a Masonic Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXV0eO-_tc

Very disturbing...

[elysiansix]

Very interesting analysis on Michael Jackson. It's very possible that he broke out of his programming and that is the reason for his horrible public image and declining record sales. We all remember when Britney briefly broke out her career was considered to be over, now it's Britney mania all over again. Another pop star who I believe may have tried to break out of her programming is Kylie Minogue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwQlxCmenk

This video could be her addressing the different alters that have been programmed in her mind. Mind control victims that are still asleep are not aware of their different alters so this is why I think she was breaking out around this time. She has another song from the same album (Impossible Princess) that seems very anti Luciferian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whVNATvtxss

This fever I have is because of you
My body is blazing
The flames alight and lick at my ear
So that I can only hear
Muddled words of you
Through the years

Too many a trusted word was said
My body was porous
I savoured every drop of you
Took me it all as true
Now I wonder my way
Through the years
Through the years

Ooh you blinded me with all your light
I wish I could see now
Promises and lies ignite the fire
And I wonder why
I believed in you
Through the years
Through the years

Through the years of joy and laughter
Of tears and sadness
Of hopes and heart
Through the years of love and loving
Of hurt and healing
Falling apart
I believed in you

And I wonder wonder why
I'm no longer fooled by your disguise
I'm sorry that you are
I pity all the pretensions of you
And now I start anew
I wish my way
Through the years

This was her worst selling album, and at that time her career was believed to be over until she released "Spinning Around" (read about the MK themes of that song on POM) written by obvious MK victim Paula Abdul.


Kylie Minogue (initials KM, reverse of MK as in the Heaven and Earth nodes of the Jewish Kabbalah - and the initials of the Zionist Messiah BTW) is a heavily controlled puppet. That show she did a couple of years ago called ?? 'Showgirl' when they pulled her off because she (allegedly) had breast cancer was one great big rip. Does anyone know about the MASSIVE symbolism of the female breast? Its connections to symbolism and freemasonry go back centuries (masonic ritual of showing one breast etc.) I'm not overly unsensitive towards pop stars but the whole Death and Rebirth scenario around Britney Spears was all for show as well (they're obsessed with the death/rebirth symbol, same as the victim/hero syndrome). They did it all for effect: no ways was they gonna let Britney go her own way - after investing so heavily in her cos of her symbolism (meaning of 'Brit' to the Zionists and 'spears'). Same as Madonna and all the other (now very rich) puppets they put there. Another one heavily used is Katie Melua - initials KM and birthdate 16/9 - massive symbolism. Not one of her releases is without symbolism on the image work of the CDs.

If these rich, famous puppets start to 'break out', where they gonna go? Why would they? They rich beyond their wildest dreams and have everything they could possible want!!!

[lostworld]

If these rich, famous puppets start to 'break out', where they gonna go? Why would they? They rich beyond their wildest dreams and have everything they could possible want!!!

But what they "have" is fake though.

Really, in these cases you SO find and see that money isn't all. These people are not happy. Their own will, soul and body has being violated on and taken away from them! Discovering that - as they most certainly do during these programming breakdowns - would be a horror and shock to anybody and make you wanna flee and escape, of course.

[tesla]

Nice thread

Very enlightening. .

[moina]

MTV wishes you a Masonic Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXV0eO-_tc

Very disturbing...


I was shocked when I saw this and its meaning. I do wonder how they got these people to participate in such a strange ad.

[pri01]

MTV wishes you a Masonic Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXV0eO-_tc

Very disturbing...


This video has been removed.:(

[lostworld]

This video has been removed.:(

Ok, here's a new link for you: :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLkSGUGBDz0

[lostworld]

Human or dancer?

Hi Yeshua,
You've been talking a lot about the trigger word "dance".

I came to think about the Killers no.1 hit "Human"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97XFGR_IP0
(big cats and (american) eagles in the video too)


Quite some interesting lyrics there...

The Killers "Human" lyrics
I did my best to notice
When the call came down the line
Up to the platform of surrender
I was brought but I was kind
And sometimes I get nervous
When I see an open door
Close your eyes
Clear your heart...
Cut the cord

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we dancer?

Pay my respects to grace and virtue
Send my condolences to good
Give my regards to soul and romance,
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything I know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well..
You've gotta let me go

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we dancer?

Will your system be alright
When you dream of home tonight?
There is no message we're receiving
Let me know is your heart still beating

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer

You've gotta let me know

.................................................. .................................................

Lyrical confusion
There has been considerable confusion and debate over the line "Are we human or are we dancer?" in the song's chorus. Many have incorrectly heard "denser" instead of "dancer", a change which significantly alters the interpretation of the song's meaning. On the band's official website, the biography section states that Flowers is singing "Are we human, or are we dancer?" and also says that the lyrics were inspired by a disparaging comment made by Hunter S. Thompson.

Entertainment Weekly's Pop Watch section called this line the "silliest lyrics of the week". They were puzzled by the interpretation, stating "most dancers are generally human". (from Wikipedia)


So - who was Hunter S. Thompson then and what did he say that made the Killers come up with these lyrics?

Hunter Stockton Thompson (July 18, 1937 – February 20, 2005) was an American journalist and author, most famous for his novel Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. He is credited as the creator of Gonzo journalism, a style of reporting where reporters involve themselves in the action to such a degree that they become central figures of their stories. He is also known for his use of psychedelics, alcohol, other mind-altering substances, firearms, and his iconoclastic contempt for authority.

Death

Thompson died at his self-described "fortified compound" known as "Owl Farm" in Woody Creek, Colorado, at 5:42 p.m. on February 20, 2005, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

Thompson's son (Juan), daughter-in-law (Jennifer Winkel Thompson) and grandson (Will Thompson) were visiting for the weekend at the time of his suicide. Will and Jennifer were in the adjacent room when they heard the gunshot. Mistaking the shot for the sound of a book falling, they continued with their activities for a few minutes before checking on him. "Found in a typewriter in front of the gonzo author was a piece of paper carrying the date 'Feb 22 '05' and the single word 'counselor'."

They reported to the press that they do not believe his suicide was out of desperation, but was a well-thought out act resulting from Thompson's many painful medical conditions. Thompson's wife, Anita, who was at a gym at the time of her husband's death, was on the phone with him when he ended his life.

What family and police describe as a suicide note was delivered to his wife four days before his death and later published by Rolling Stone. Entitled "Football Season Is Over", it read:

"No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun — for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax — This won't hurt."

Paul William Roberts in his Toronto Globe and Mail article of Saturday, February 26, 2005 wrote how he imagined an obituary should begin:

"Hunter telephoned me on February 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think..."
However, Roberts goes on to state:

"That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him..."
As the Globe and Mail website required pay-per-view for the full article, viewers who only read the partial text mistakenly believed it to be genuine.
(from Wikipedia)


But if you research more on Hunter S. Thompson's death you'll find that there are many who believe he was actually "suicided" and there are many conspiracy theories about his death...

Read more here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305conspiracybuzz.htm


Hunter S. Thompson
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2571/sthompsonclk7.jpg

So, what about that quote from Thompson?
What he actually has said is that America is raising a generation of dancers.

By that I think he meant, that people are afraid and are only following the steps they were taught, and can never change them.
In the song "Human" one of the lines is "Sometimes I get nervous when I see an open door". The door to break free from enslavement and fear might be open,
yet "the dancers" are too afraid to go through it, and go against what they have been taught to believe all of their lives...

And with this in mind it's very easy to apply the term "dance" and "dancer" also to mind control.

Funny enough, this song was also played in the last Victoria Secret's fashion show with all the angels/butterfly mindcontrolled sex kitten models...
Some of the girls in the fashion show are upgraded and get to wear "angelwings" which is status and an honor for these girls.
The symbolism is really easy: flower coming into bloom/caterpillar turning into a butterfly/angel getting it's wings... :rolleyes:


Karolina Kurkova - a MK butterfly who got her wings...
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/166/angelinactioncm8.jpg

Nice little pyramid with different levels on VS fashion show
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2557/vsfashionshow2007891ti7.jpg

[serenevasaline]

Wow thanks lostworld =) I have been tryna figure out what dancers are:)

I am so glad this thread is here. It's one of my fav's. Along with the Nassim Haramein thread.

Just one thing though guy's. I've been reading a lot about MK. What is MK. Does anyone have a bigginers guide to MK or something? :D

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lourdesleon.jpg

Lourdes with her father, Carlos Leon. He's wearing an interesting shirt...

This photo is horrible. Does anyone else think this is creepy. He looks all angry and she looks scared. It's prolly because he is tryna get her away from the pap. But still a creepy pic.

[lostworld]

Wow thanks lostworld =) I have been tryna figure out what dancers are:)

I am so glad this thread is here. It's one of my fav's. Along with the Nassim Haramein thread.

Just one thing though guy's. I've been reading a lot about MK. What is MK. Does anyone have a bigginers guide to MK or something? :D


Hi Serene, :)
If you like Yeshua's thread I hope you'll find your way to mine too, it's called "Stepford wives" and is all about mincontrol, "stepfording" (when a person totally changes from a wildchild/troublemaker to mild and familyoriented), cloning and celebrity replacement.
Not to "steal" anyone from Yeshua, I'd like to think we have a bit of a collaboration since we're posting on eachother's threads... ;)

Link to "Stepford wives"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038

So, about MK. It's short for MK-ultra which was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence.
The program began in the early 1950's...
In MKULTRA there were 149 different sub-projects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/operatio.htm


One of these sub-projects is the Monarch program (US Department of Defense code name).
The Monarch Programming under various names such as Marionette programming has been going on since the Nazis.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/monarch1.html


Another name for a mind controlled Monarch slave is Manchurian Candidate.

I can also recommend you to read Fritz Springmeiers work.
You don't have to read ALL of it of course (these are e-books) but have a look... :)

http://yourself.org/mc/IlluminatiFormulaindex.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/mc/deeperinsightsbook.shtml

[hordeari]

i didn't know about this thread.. lol

DI forum is huge really, thx for great effort everyone, and yeashua thread starter..

[yeshua]

Human or dancer?

Hi Yeshua,
You've been talking a lot about the trigger word "dance".

I came to think about the Killers no.1 hit "Human"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97XFGR_IP0
(big cats and (american) eagles in the video too)


Quite some interesting lyrics there...

The Killers "Human" lyrics
I did my best to notice
When the call came down the line
Up to the platform of surrender
I was brought but I was kind
And sometimes I get nervous
When I see an open door
Close your eyes
Clear your heart...
Cut the cord

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we dancer?

Pay my respects to grace and virtue
Send my condolences to good
Give my regards to soul and romance,
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything I know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well..
You've gotta let me go

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer
Are we human?
Or are we dancer?

Will your system be alright
When you dream of home tonight?
There is no message we're receiving
Let me know is your heart still beating

Are we human?
Or are we dancer?
My sign is vital
My hands are cold
And I'm on my knees
Looking for the answer

You've gotta let me know

.................................................. .................................................

Lyrical confusion
There has been considerable confusion and debate over the line "Are we human or are we dancer?" in the song's chorus. Many have incorrectly heard "denser" instead of "dancer", a change which significantly alters the interpretation of the song's meaning. On the band's official website, the biography section states that Flowers is singing "Are we human, or are we dancer?" and also says that the lyrics were inspired by a disparaging comment made by Hunter S. Thompson.

Entertainment Weekly's Pop Watch section called this line the "silliest lyrics of the week". They were puzzled by the interpretation, stating "most dancers are generally human". (from Wikipedia)


So - who was Hunter S. Thompson then and what did he say that made the Killers come up with these lyrics?

Hunter Stockton Thompson (July 18, 1937 – February 20, 2005) was an American journalist and author, most famous for his novel Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. He is credited as the creator of Gonzo journalism, a style of reporting where reporters involve themselves in the action to such a degree that they become central figures of their stories. He is also known for his use of psychedelics, alcohol, other mind-altering substances, firearms, and his iconoclastic contempt for authority.

Death

Thompson died at his self-described "fortified compound" known as "Owl Farm" in Woody Creek, Colorado, at 5:42 p.m. on February 20, 2005, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

Thompson's son (Juan), daughter-in-law (Jennifer Winkel Thompson) and grandson (Will Thompson) were visiting for the weekend at the time of his suicide. Will and Jennifer were in the adjacent room when they heard the gunshot. Mistaking the shot for the sound of a book falling, they continued with their activities for a few minutes before checking on him. "Found in a typewriter in front of the gonzo author was a piece of paper carrying the date 'Feb 22 '05' and the single word 'counselor'."

They reported to the press that they do not believe his suicide was out of desperation, but was a well-thought out act resulting from Thompson's many painful medical conditions. Thompson's wife, Anita, who was at a gym at the time of her husband's death, was on the phone with him when he ended his life.

What family and police describe as a suicide note was delivered to his wife four days before his death and later published by Rolling Stone. Entitled "Football Season Is Over", it read:

"No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun — for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax — This won't hurt."

Paul William Roberts in his Toronto Globe and Mail article of Saturday, February 26, 2005 wrote how he imagined an obituary should begin:

"Hunter telephoned me on February 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think..."
However, Roberts goes on to state:

"That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him..."
As the Globe and Mail website required pay-per-view for the full article, viewers who only read the partial text mistakenly believed it to be genuine.
(from Wikipedia)


But if you research more on Hunter S. Thompson's death you'll find that there are many who believe he was actually "suicided" and there are many conspiracy theories about his death...

Read more here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305conspiracybuzz.htm


Hunter S. Thompson
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2571/sthompsonclk7.jpg

So, what about that quote from Thompson?
What he actually has said is that America is raising a generation of dancers.

By that I think he meant, that people are afraid and are only following the steps they were taught, and can never change them.
In the song "Human" one of the lines is "Sometimes I get nervous when I see an open door". The door to break free from enslavement and fear might be open,
yet "the dancers" are too afraid to go through it, and go against what they have been taught to believe all of their lives...

And with this in mind it's very easy to apply the term "dance" and "dancer" also to mind control.

Funny enough, this song was also played in the last Victoria Secret's fashion show with all the angels/butterfly mindcontrolled sex kitten models...
Some of the girls in the fashion show are upgraded and get to wear "angelwings" which is status and an honor for these girls.
The symbolism is really easy: flower coming into bloom/caterpillar turning into a butterfly/angel getting it's wings... :rolleyes:


Karolina Kurkova - a MK butterfly who got her wings...
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/166/angelinactioncm8.jpg

Nice little pyramid with different levels on VS fashion show
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2557/vsfashionshow2007891ti7.jpg

Thanks so much for this info. VERY interesting.

[lostworld]

^
No problem Yeshua,
I'm more certain than ever that you do have a point with the term "dance" and "dancer"... :)

[serenevasaline]

^
No problem Yeshua,
I'm more certain than ever that you do have a point with the term "dance" and "dancer"... :)

same here lost:)

thankyou v much for the MK info , i havn't checked out your links but will do soon =)

Has anyone mentioned how everyone seems to be covering Ave Maria?

Kelly Clarkson - Please note the friggin HUUUUUUGE phallic behind the pope at 1:50 This has been mentioned on the forums before, but if you missed it, here it is again

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ilyoScPXgI4

And Pink has a song called "Ava Mary A" on her new album.
Beyonce has a song called "Ava Maria" on her new album too..

Can anyone list anymore?

[angel wings]

I've found various other pictures of celebrities and politicians holding up the same hand sign.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/sirfaul.jpg
Paul McCartney, OR FAUL depending on who you ask, LOL.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/mjchild.jpg
Michael Jackson as a child (the Jacksons were obviously MK victims and now MJ is an obvious Mason).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/jigga.jpg
Jay-Z, who has been mentioned here several times.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bleh.jpg
Even politicians are involved in this. I've already posted about Obama and Bush.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/bep.jpg
Black Eyed Peas

Yeshua, love your posts by the way. Can you confirm what this sign is supposed to mean?

[soulja]

i believe it means 666.

[angel wings]

i believe it means 666.

Thanks Soluja I can see it now. :):)

[phildee3]

i believe it means 666.

It used to mean "a-okay,"
or
"choice!"

And 666 used to be a positive, solar number.

[soulja]

It used to mean "a-okay,"
or
"choice!"

in the same sense as the horns mean ''I love you''. for public consumption only.


And 666 used to be a positive, solar number.

says who ? the Essenes ? Drunvalo Melchizedek ?

[yeshua]

Just to let everyone know I have a blog now, the link is in my signature.

Here are a few entries I like so far.

If U Seek Esseker (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/if-u-seek-esseker.html)

MK'd KM (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/mkd-km.html)

Illuminated Vocalists (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/illuminated-vocalists.html)

Body Language (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/body-language.html)

I'm really just getting started. I have a lot more to put on there.

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Excellent, keep up the good work! :cool:

[lostworld]

Good luck with the blog Yeshua!
It looks really good :)

About "if you seek esseker" - I saw "Mirrors" a couple of weeks ago and it was just blatant MK symbolism everywhere... And the way Doppelgangers was described etc... :eek:

I was gonna do a post about it on Stepford but got a bit stuck...

I can recommend everyone to see it, not cause it's a great movie cause it's not - but to study the symbolism and listen to the info they tell you in it... :rolleyes:

[schaff]

Just to let everyone know I have a blog now, the link is in my signature.

Here are a few entries I like so far.

If U Seek Esseker (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/if-u-seek-esseker.html)

MK'd KM (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/mkd-km.html)

Illuminated Vocalists (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/illuminated-vocalists.html)

Body Language (http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/body-language.html)

I'm really just getting started. I have a lot more to put on there.

Good blog yeshua look just read your brits peice seems they like the pyramid symbology as they had the same theme at last years with rhihana's performance.

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl0/20/202476/08_2008/rihanna_1.jpg

[joe2005]

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http://putasparanoias.blogspot.com/

[mariag]

I did a search for Michael Jacksons Blood on the dance floor and the found that Madonna's album was called Confessions on a Dance Floor.

There is looooads of symbolism on the front of that Jacko album.

He is wearing red, he is the blood. maybe he's a sacrifice. A freemason sacrifice? Due to the checkered floor.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002BVN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://www.confessionsonadancefloor.com/confessions.jpg

Watch this vid. It's just wierd.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x5vANeg4Wic

Then I also found this. This is from her Confessions on a dance floor tour.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/madonna-madonna-performs-her-concert-confessions-on-a-dance-floor-in-new-york-0LDr8u.jpg

This is one sick woman. What the hell? She exploits EVERYTHING for fame and money.

Watch the vid and tell me what you make of it guy's.
Michael Jackson is Not A victim He is Part of the Agenda too in my opinion , he might have the appearance of an victim but really I do not think he is. I used to be a fan of his whils younger before the awakening but Now I just thinks him being a huge clown , a joker for the show...
I´m Badone of MJ´s most famous songs

"Because Im bad, Im bad-come on
(bad bad-really, really bad)
You know Im bad, Im bad-you know it
(bad bad-really, really bad)
You know Im bad, Im bad-you know it, you know
(bad bad-really, really bad)
And the whole world has to answer right now
(and the whole world has to answer right now)
Just to tell you once again,
(just to tell you once again)
Whos bad . . .

We can change the world tomorrow
This could be a better place
If you dont like what Im sayin
Then wont you slap my face . . .

Because Im bad, Im bad-come on
(bad bad-really, really bad)
You know Im bad, Im bad-you know it
(bad bad-really, really bad)
You know Im bad, Im bad-you know it, you know
(bad bad-really, really bad)"

[lostworld]

Michael Jackson is Not A victim He is Part of the Agenda too in my opinion , he might have the appearance of an victim but really I do not think he is. I used to be a fan of his whils younger before the awakening but Now I just thinks him being a huge clown , a joker for the show...


Sorry Maria, I really have to disagree with you on this one.

MJ is THE mind control victim of all time in showbiz... :(
Child alter (when he has that high voice) + decontructed big time in the media... He started to break out of his programming and fight back, therefore all this media ridicule of him... :(
There is a reason for it, and so far they have succeeded in turning him into a joke that everybody hates... :mad:
Sadly enough...
This would NOT happen to somebody that's controlled or by free will follow their agenda. Never.

There is no difference between MJ and the other mind controlled celebs - the difference is that he's one of the biggest stars of all time - and - he want's out, he's breaking down and it shows... I'm surprised they let him live actually. Guess there's too much money involved to just kill him... :rolleyes:

Now it's seems they've re-programmed him again, judging by the latest come back interview. It's just a way for them to milk the cow one more time...

He's absolutely being controlled and is NOT acting on his own. And - it's in the family: Janet and La Toya are also very much victims of mind control...

If he was with "them" and a part og the agenda (by choice that is) his life would be so much better don't you think... :rolleyes:
Clearly, he's unhappy and very damaged (by them)...
And clearly he has an innocent and good soul. Compare it to those in power and all that evil energy they send out...

Yes, I'm really fighting for this cause it's such an important part of the mind control. Look at the whole Jackson family! Look at the deconstruction of MJ that's been going on for the last 15 years!
It has NOT happened to his sister Janet cause she's still in their control... I can go on and on, but I won't. But, again, MJ is a very important case in understanding how they operate...


MJ is fighting his jewish handlers in "They don't care about us":
Anyone who writes these kind of lyrics is fighting his programming and the system... Compare it to for instance Britney's "If you seek Amy" and you'll see a huge difference... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

[lostworld]

Interesting factoid: Michael Jackson’s 1995 album HIStory included a song called “Tabloid Junkie” one of the opening lines of which is:

Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who’s the next for you to resurrect
Jfk exposed the cia
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory

I know this doesn’t “prove” anything, but it seems noteworthy that Jackson mentions exposing the CIA in a line on a popular record. And shortly thereafter talks about blackmail. The weirdest part is I didn’t even know this before I started writing this post. WHOA! This is even weirder. Apparently also on that album is a song called “D.S.” the opening lyrics of which are:

They wanna get my ass
Dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me
Down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don’t do half what he say

Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man
Don Standdon is a cold man

There is also a theory circulating online about this song - that it’s actually about a District Attorney from Santa Barbara county named Thomas Sneddon. This article claims that the Don Standdon mentioned above is actually “Dom S. Sheldon” which when sung sounds like “ThomaS Sneddon”. Apparently Sneddon has been trying to build a case against Jackson since the 1990’s. Other lyrics sites online also confirm the “Dom Sheldon” interpretation, and some even say outright “Tom Sneddon.”

To me, the picture looks more and more like Jackson began trying to “out” CIA agents in this album.

From:
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/05/04/michael-jackson-mind-control-victim/

[lostworld]

More on Michael Jackson...

MJ also has/had a “personal magician”. This guy travels with MJ and also controls interviews and even speaks on his behalf sometimes(!). :eek:

Sounds like a handler... :rolleyes:

This character seems to go by the name of Majestic Magnificent, or Majestik Magnificent with a “k” at the end (MK :rolleyes:)
and he’s also been spotted as “Majestic the Magnificent.”
No record seems to exist of Majestic as a professional magician, except for in this blog http://devasbar.blogspot.com/search?q=majestik+the+magnificent
where it says that Majestik the Magnificent used to perform at a place in Hollywood, Calif., called Carlos & Charlies, which no longer exists (not to be confused with the Lake Travis restaurant by that name).

Read more about Majestik here:
http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Community/MrSmartyPants_view?oid=oid%3A263655


Majestik on My Space!
His friends include Jermaine & Tito Jackson... :rolleyes:

I have an IQ of 180. Dumb people bore me. I am one with vision and imagination. I have the name 'Magnificent' NOT because I'm Magnificent but because I am TRULY Magnificent! Sometimes everything is in a name~

:D

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=228410884



Info from singing artist (?) / new mind control victim Sunn's website:

About manager:
Majestik Magnificent, world renown entertainer and manager, has worked with top stars, such as the Jackson's, for over 30 years. He has an eye for talent and has produced a number of concerts, music videos, and songs. His latest project is singing artist, Sunn, but he has managed many other artists in the past, such as Rebbie Jackson. Majestik is determined, talented, and experienced and with his direction, Sunn is destined to be a Superstar!

:D


Sunn and Majestik
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4008/sunnandmajestik2l.jpg

[yeshua]

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http://putasparanoias.blogspot.com/

Very interesting. I love your blog too.

[mariag]

Sorry Maria, I really have to disagree with you on this one.

MJ is THE mind control victim of all time in showbiz... :(
Child alter (when he has that high voice) + decontructed big time in the media... He started to break out of his programming and fight back, therefore all this media ridicule of him... :(
There is a reason for it, and so far they have succeeded in turning him into a joke that everybody hates... :mad:
Sadly enough...
This would NOT happen to somebody that's controlled or by free will follow their agenda. Never.

There is no difference between MJ and the other mind controlled celebs - the difference is that he's one of the biggest stars of all time - and - he want's out, he's breaking down and it shows... I'm surprised they let him live actually. Guess there's too much money involved to just kill him... :rolleyes:

Now it's seems they've re-programmed him again, judging by the latest come back interview. It's just a way for them to milk the cow one more time...

He's absolutely being controlled and is NOT acting on his own. And - it's in the family: Janet and La Toya are also very much victims of mind control...

If he was with "them" and a part og the agenda (by choice that is) his life would be so much better don't you think... :rolleyes:
Clearly, he's unhappy and very damaged (by them)...
And clearly he has an innocent and good soul. Compare it to those in power and all that evil energy they send out...

Yes, I'm really fighting for this cause it's such an important part of the mind control. Look at the whole Jackson family! Look at the deconstruction of MJ that's been going on for the last 15 years!
It has NOT happened to his sister Janet cause she's still in their control... I can go on and on, but I won't. But, again, MJ is a very important case in understanding how they operate...


MJ is fighting his jewish handlers in "They don't care about us":
Anyone who writes these kind of lyrics is fighting his programming and the system... Compare it to for instance Britney's "If you seek Amy" and you'll see a huge difference... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

maybe you are right and it is so sad , I used to like MJ whilst younger but now when I know more about the conspiracy and how the Illuminati works I´m not sure if I even want to stay on this planet anymore lol.
The symbolism and the agenda is everywhere you look and they play tricks with our minds with all kinds of subliminal things liké music and tv shows etc.
And h0w they destroy the young people , trying to take away their will and right to be -Free..
It is all really sad...:(

[lostworld]

maybe you are right and it is so sad , I used to like MJ whilst younger but now when I know more about the conspiracy and how the Illuminati works I´m not sure if I even want to stay on this planet anymore lol.
The symbolism and the agenda is everywhere you look and they play tricks with our minds with all kinds of subliminal things liké music and tv shows etc.
And h0w they destroy the young people , trying to take away their will and right to be -Free..
It is all really sad...:(

Hi again Maria :)

Yes, I know... It's very sad and it destroys so much.
I have always loved music and can't enjoy it as much as I used to, cause you always have that knowledge with you...
Still, it's better to know I think.

The symbolism is in many artists work, just remember that the artist himself doesn't need to be with the agenda just because of it. There are those that are of course, they are "sponsored" within the Illuminati families - but others are just controlled victims... :(

[mariag]

Hi again Maria :)

Yes, I know... It's very sad and it destroys so much.
I have always loved music and can't enjoy it as much as I used to, cause you always have that knowledge with you...
Still, it's better to know I think.

The symbolism is in many artists work, just remember that the artist himself doesn't need to be with the agenda just because of it. There are those that are of course, they are "sponsored" within the Illuminati families - but others are just controlled victims... :(
True lostword, and it is horrific and sad so sad. Hopefully more people will be aware and start deprogramming .The price one pays for standing outside the illuminati system and to be brave enough to oppose it is high and hurtful , I know I lost my teenage daughter beacuse I stand against it . She lives with my mother and refuses to come home to me because I have opposed and tried to tell her what it is about , my mother ,her grandmother has told her that I am deranged and have a split personality . I do not of course , I have been labled with ADHD but thats about it and ADHD is not split personality nor is it a mental condition it is just hyperactivity "disorder" mind the word "disorder" and emotional "instabil".A few more criteria is mentioned in the ADHD spectrum but it pretty much covers the lot. I do not consider myself antisocial I consider the world antisocial and programmed to live in a bubble.
*My mother does not have any feelings or emotions , she behaves like the british queen and she adores the monarchy , all se talks about is how one looks and acts and whats color to go with a shirt or skirt etc. She is accusing wide and well almost everyone in my nearabout , my friends and ex partners etc. Nothing pleases her at all when it comes to me . She is disinforming my oldest daughter and she is buying it . There is nothing I can do about it beacuse I love my daughter very much and I have to accept this , it is hard but it is part of the agenda. To others it might seems strange and people may think of me as a bit crazy but I know what it is about beacuse I live in it.
We are part of the 13 bloodline families BTW that might explain this to some of you in here.
;)

[lostworld]

True lostword, and it is horrific and sad so sad. Hopefully more people will be aware and start deprogramming .The price one pays for standing outside the illuminati system and to be brave enough to oppose it is high and hurtful , I know I lost my teenage daughter beacuse I stand against it . She lives with my mother and refuses to come home to me because I have opposed and tried to tell her what it is about , my mother ,her grandmother has told her that I am deranged and have a split personality . I do not of course , I have been labled with ADHD but thats about it and ADHD is not split personality nor is it a mental condition it is just hyperactivity "disorder" mind the word "disorder" and emotional "instabil".A few more criteria is mentioned in the ADHD spectrum but it pretty much covers the lot. I do not consider myself antisocial I consider the world antisocial and programmed to live in a bubble.
*My mother does not have any feelings or emotions , she behaves like the british queen and she adores the monarchy , all se talks about is how one looks and acts and whats color to go with a shirt or skirt etc. She is accusing wide and well almost everyone in my nearabout , my friends and ex partners etc. Nothing pleases her at all when it comes to me . She is disinforming my oldest daughter and she is buying it . There is nothing I can do about it beacuse I love my daughter very much and I have to accept this , it is hard but it is part of the agenda. To others it might seems strange and people may think of me as a bit crazy but I know what it is about beacuse I live in it.
We are part of the 13 bloodline families BTW that might explain this to some of you in here.
;)

Maria,
I'm so sorry to hear all that. That is very sad... :(

I don't have kids myself, never wanted to - but I can relate to your story anyway. I think a lot of us here know all about being the black sheep in our families, being called sick, insane etc by people who really have no clue... :(

My sister and I are like night and day. I have never tried to change her either cause there really is no point. She thinks I'm crazy too... or she sees my theories as a cute little joke. She is a royalist too, and totally blinded.
I don't care really. I just think it's tragic that she and her husband are the kind of people that will be eaten alive first, so to speak. They would gladly take the chip implant etc cause "they have nothing to hide". They are incredibly naive and ignorant.

I feel that we that are different are different in so many ways. Often how we care so much more about everything, for animals too etc. The others just care about their own little world, what only effects them personally.
It's just pathetic. I really think we are some kind of starchildren, a different race. I can't relate to "normal" humans at all!

Just remember that it's not you - it's them. We don't conform, we never compromise and we are on the right way, even if it's a much harder way than for the others who don't have to think.
I'll have to believe that it will be worth it in the end... :cool:

:)

[mariag]

Maria,
I'm so sorry to hear all that. That is very sad... :(

I don't have kids myself, never wanted to - but I can relate to your story anyway. I think a lot of us here know all about being the black sheep in our families, being called sick, insane etc by people who really have no clue... :(

My sister and I are like night and day. I have never tried to change her either cause there really is no point. She thinks I'm crazy too... or she sees my theories as a cute little joke. She is a royalist too, and totally blinded.
I don't care really. I just think it's tragic that she and her husband are the kind of people that will be eaten alive first, so to speak. They would gladly take the chip implant etc cause "they have nothing to hide". They are incredibly naive and ignorant.

I feel that we that are different are different in so many ways. Often how we care so much more about everything, for animals too etc. The others just care about their own little world, what only effects them personally.
It's just pathetic. I really think we are some kind of starchildren, a different race. I can't relate to "normal" humans at all!

Just remember that it's not you - it's them. We don't conform, we never compromise and we are on the right way, even if it's a much harder way than for the others who don't have to think.
I'll have to believe that it will be worth it in the end... :cool:

:)

Thank you Lostworld,
The thought of a better future and like you I keep telling me it will be worth it in the end is what is keeping me alive and standing basically. I don´t care anymore for being ridculed nor hated even I know what I know and I do not hesitate for one second to tell my story on what really is going on in this world. And yes I agree it is tragic to stand on the outside and watch the friends and loved ones go down with the flow without thinking and understanding their robotlike state of mind, really it is sad but I have stopped crying for them all I do is like "pray" for them and hope that they will wake up one day .
:)

[lostworld]

Thank you Lostworld,
The thought of a better future and like you I keep telling me it will be worth it in the end is what is keeping me alive and standing basically. I don´t care anymore for being ridculed nor hated even I know what I know and I do not hesitate for one second to tell my story on what really is going on in this world. And yes I agree it is tragic to stand on the outside and watch the friends and loved ones go down with the flow without thinking and understanding their robotlike state of mind, really it is sad but I have stopped crying for them all I do is like "pray" for them and hope that they will wake up one day .
:)

We are strong. Or rather, we have to be.

Evil controls this world (for the moment). Since justice isn't happening now, again - I do hope it will come later. And that goodness will find it's way back... :)

[mariag]

We are strong. Or rather, we have to be.

Evil controls this world (for the moment). Since justice isn't happening now, again - I do hope it will come later. And that goodness will find it's way back... :)

That will be , I have faith in the goodness and love :p

[kidsarocker]

How about this vid of madonna and a live performance from Christina
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1036125434526

A lot od symbolism going on here

[kidsarocker]

We all know who Madonna is, right? She's one of the biggest icons we've ever had and her music and celebrity status is known worldwide. For a long time I was one of her "fans'". When I started to break out of my programming I began to notice a lot of symbolism in her work and it made me realize how entertainment is a tool used to keep us asleep and how the television is called programming for a reason - it programs. I'm going to use this post to share some of what I've discovered. Comments are welcome.

I'm going to start off with a song with a blatant title, the song is called "Triggering". I'm sure most of you know how different words are used to trigger mind controlled/MK Ultra victims but if not here is some info.



So here is a Youtube link to the Madonna song "Triggering". It's interesting that the song repeatedly uses the word "Dance" as that is a word that has been used in various Madonna songs. Could Dance be a word to effect the listeners of Madonna's music on a subconscious level? I remember reading something about the word "beat" being used as a trigger during Beatlemania, could "dance" be Madonna's trigger word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3teAksE6vI

Lyrics :-
Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
Dance, you're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses

Dance is a lovely friend
Dance to your heart's content
Dance and we don't pretend
Dance is your only friend

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around


Dance, you're not taking
Dance, you're not hating
Dance, you're not kiling yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses


A hip, a hip, a hippety hop and you don't stop, you get on your feet
You do the hip hop to a different beat
I know you don't stop when you're on the street
You're not feeling down and there's no one else around
You get on your feet until you hear the funky beat, beat, beat, beat...

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around

When there's no one else around

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
You're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses
Triggering your senses
Triggering your
Dance

The song was recorded during the recording session of Madonna's 2005 album Confessions On a Dance Floor but did not make the final cut of the album.

How about this vid of madonna and a live performance from Christina
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1036125434526

A lot od symbolism going on here

[indianinthemachine]

http://indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/madonna2.jpg
Are Madonna and Angelina Jolie taking male steroids – by Dieter Braun (Indian in the
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Dear world,

The media constantly parades women and men before the camera in order to influence us with ideals of beauty and perfection. They use several methods to achieve beauty which we, the masses, are supposed to buy hook, line and sinker as the latest “standard of beauty”. It’s looking like the latest fad for some of the top female celebrities (and many men), is to take male steroids, some websites suggest that these stars are using steroid cream.


WHAT’S UP WITH MADONNA’S ARMS?
Madonna now entering her 50’s…this material girl has suddenly grown olympic-caliber arms, her arms and her hands are more fitting for a member of the German male gymnastics team. Madonna…known to lie and deceive the media for attention and power, suggests weights, yoga and horseback riding have given her, her new physique…yeah right. Madonna has done many things to alter her appearance including cheek implants, lip injections, hair dying, makeup…she has dated a couple of known steroid users…


****WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO****
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Indian’s recommendation for those who study the ever-changing appearance of celebrities and public figures….visit the Stepford Wives Forum at David Icke’s (over 437 pages and counting….)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038


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[infinite_consciousness]

http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo136/Doomsday_Celebration/madonna-illuminati.jpg

[yeshua]

This is very old. If you want to read more detailed stuff visit my blog in my signature.

[ninny]

interesting sight on madonnas open your heart.
sometimes its better not to go deeper.
yesterday i watched the pedophile baseball analysis of this disney film on that website: http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/
first minutes i thought wtf do you want to tell me. but some points are not so easy to explain.
and "normal" people never see that.

is it want we want to see?

edit: you posted something about the movie "hard candy". there is another "pedo" film with my favorite actor kevin bacon. this movie is called "the woodsman".
it was a very interesting movie but i was not ok with the ending of the movie. the movie was not much hyped here. i found it by accident and only watched because of kevin. the problem really was, i felt sympathy. but a real experience, meeting a pedophile in the internet told me the opposite, as i already wrote in another thread. pedos are cold blooded. no sympathy for this shit.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fIFa9RcCmI

[yeshua]

interesting sight on madonnas open your heart.
sometimes its better not to go deeper.
yesterday i watched the pedophile baseball analysis of this disney film on that website: http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/
first minutes i thought wtf do you want to tell me. but some points are not so easy to explain.
and "normal" people never see that.

is it want we want to see?

edit: you posted something about the movie "hard candy". there is another "pedo" film with my favorite actor kevin bacon. this movie is called "the woodsman".
it was a very interesting movie but i was not ok with the ending of the movie. the movie was not much hyped here. i found it by accident and only watched because of kevin. the problem really was, i felt sympathy. but a real experience, meeting a pedophile in the internet told me the opposite, as i already wrote in another thread. pedos are cold blooded. no sympathy for this shit.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fIFa9RcCmI

I saw the Lenon Honor film and at first I thought it was bullshit but as I kept watching he made a lot of good points that are hard to dispute.

As far as Madonna, a lot of people choose not to see the pedophilia in "Open Your Heart". To me it's very obvious, especially in the live clip I posted. I wonder why certain acts make people suspicious yet others don't. Why doesn't Madonna fully kissing a young boy on the lips and having Micky Mouse grab her breast ring any bells? Is it easier to see pedophilia coming from men?

[ninny]

we must be carefully about all these things. i watched the analysis of jacksons "beat it" and what honorfilms made of that is for me not believable. i am sorry this homosexual gang bang analysis is too much for me. i didnt know to laugh or cry but for the most time i laughed. if i find i will post. but beware this is really hard stuff *lmao* ive read moonwalk and jackson says the gangs in the video were real gangs. there is absolutely no relation to homo gang bang games. if there is, its want we want to see. reality has lots of faces. we have to be carefully that this doesnt turn into comedy. the shitty thing is, everytime when i see this video, i will see homos dancing. and thats not ok with me lol. please give me my vision back !! this video can be turned also into a illuminati relating analysis. so. there can be lots of interpretations. but please no more homo analysis lol.

edit:

dont watch this, if you are a jackson fan!!!!!!!!!! (your mind will be damaged)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kduh-dBsHEw

[friendsinthesky]

Originally Posted by yeshua View Post
We all know who Madonna is, right? She's one of the biggest icons we've ever had and her music and celebrity status is known worldwide. For a long time I was one of her "fans'". When I started to break out of my programming I began to notice a lot of symbolism in her work and it made me realize how entertainment is a tool used to keep us asleep and how the television is called programming for a reason - it programs. I'm going to use this post to share some of what I've discovered. Comments are welcome.

I'm going to start off with a song with a blatant title, the song is called "Triggering". I'm sure most of you know how different words are used to trigger mind controlled/MK Ultra victims but if not here is some info.



So here is a Youtube link to the Madonna song "Triggering". It's interesting that the song repeatedly uses the word "Dance" as that is a word that has been used in various Madonna songs. Could Dance be a word to effect the listeners of Madonna's music on a subconscious level? I remember reading something about the word "beat" being used as a trigger during Beatlemania, could "dance" be Madonna's trigger word?


MADONNA TRIGGERING Demo
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Lyrics :-
Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
Dance, you're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses

Dance is a lovely friend
Dance to your heart's content
Dance and we don't pretend
Dance is your only friend

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around


Dance, you're not taking
Dance, you're not hating
Dance, you're not kiling yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses


A hip, a hip, a hippety hop and you don't stop, you get on your feet
You do the hip hop to a different beat
I know you don't stop when you're on the street
You're not feeling down and there's no one else around
You get on your feet until you hear the funky beat, beat, beat, beat...

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around

When there's no one else around

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
You're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses
Triggering your senses
Triggering your
Dance

The song was recorded during the recording session of Madonna's 2005 album Confessions On a Dance Floor but did not make the final cut of the album.

Yes there is a lot of symbolism in her work. But the lyrics above don't seem out of order to me. They actually are quite positive, nothing wrong with dancing. It's the beat you should be concerned about.

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

[yeshua]

Yes there is a lot of symbolism in her work. But the lyrics above don't seem out of order to me. They actually are quite positive, nothing wrong with dancing. It's the beat you should be concerned about.

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

Like I said, this thread is old. I explored this theme further on my blog : http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/04/just-dance.html

Other blog entries :

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/08/lolitas-candy.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/07/shakiras-gnostic-feminism.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/06/christs-musical-express.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/05/holiday-on-moon.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/05/skull-gang.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/04/twilight-zone.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/03/kubrick-ritual.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/03/ciara-gets-magical-with-mouseketeer.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/03/occult-clothing.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/if-u-seek-esseker.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/mkd-km.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/02/illuminated-vocalists.html

http://mkculture.blogspot.com/2009/01/occult-girls.html

[taylor84]

Im not entirely sure what to think about music, i read somebodies theory (and it could very well be true) that the first line of "rebel" music from the 1950's (Ie Elvis and that Rock'n'Roll) and then the 1960's (The Beatles, Rolling Stones etc) was orchestrated to widen the generational gap between parents and teenagers, making them more likely to rebel against them.

I don't know how accurate these findings are, as well as saying that Glam rock and that was emasculating men.

[ninny]

http://madonnarevelations.blogspot.com/

nice blog. got this from here: http://www.youtube.com/user/MadonnaRevelations

[deedees]

On this performance Britney does the sign at 3:14. Interesting she "sings" "watching me" while she does it. Also this performance has a circus theme and as we just read Mata Hari started out as a horse rider in a circus (we also discussed the circus theme earlier in this thread).

I'm at work at the moment so I cant view the video to double check but I think I remember something like this from the Remedy video by Little Boots. I remember her doing some eye sign while singing "watching me".

[kidsarocker]

We all know who Madonna is, right? She's one of the biggest icons we've ever had and her music and celebrity status is known worldwide. For a long time I was one of her "fans'". When I started to break out of my programming I began to notice a lot of symbolism in her work and it made me realize how entertainment is a tool used to keep us asleep and how the television is called programming for a reason - it programs. I'm going to use this post to share some of what I've discovered. Comments are welcome.

I'm going to start off with a song with a blatant title, the song is called "Triggering". I'm sure most of you know how different words are used to trigger mind controlled/MK Ultra victims but if not here is some info.



So here is a Youtube link to the Madonna song "Triggering". It's interesting that the song repeatedly uses the word "Dance" as that is a word that has been used in various Madonna songs. Could Dance be a word to effect the listeners of Madonna's music on a subconscious level? I remember reading something about the word "beat" being used as a trigger during Beatlemania, could "dance" be Madonna's trigger word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3teAksE6vI

Lyrics :-
Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
Dance, you're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses

Dance is a lovely friend
Dance to your heart's content
Dance and we don't pretend
Dance is your only friend

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around


Dance, you're not taking
Dance, you're not hating
Dance, you're not kiling yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses


A hip, a hip, a hippety hop and you don't stop, you get on your feet
You do the hip hop to a different beat
I know you don't stop when you're on the street
You're not feeling down and there's no one else around
You get on your feet until you hear the funky beat, beat, beat, beat...

When you're on the street
To a different beat
When you're feeling down
When there's no one else around

When there's no one else around

Dance, you're not fighting
Dance, you're not lying
Dance, you're not cheating
Dance, you're only triggering your senses

You're not dying
Dance, you're not crying
You're not killing yourself
You're only triggering your senses
You're only triggering your senses
Triggering your senses
Triggering your
Dance

The song was recorded during the recording session of Madonna's 2005 album Confessions On a Dance Floor but did not make the final cut of the album.

You should watch the video "Frozen" a lot of satanic symbolism in that video

[goldenbear]

has anyone heard the new song by ladyboy (gaga).

it was played on radio last night.it sounds remarkably like a satanist chant in the chorus.


it sounds bad and it makes me sick hearing it....its call bad romance.its not just the chorus its the whole song...the song is on utube..alex mcqueen
fashion show..look at the models.horns and the like.....