NASA Mars photo leaked - wood found on mars!

[11indigo11]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9321/moontworg4.jpg

Someone at NASA released a photo that they shouldn’t have, a picture of a piece of timber the size of a railroad tie, a photo that could get someone killed. There is no mistaking that the object in the print below is a piece of wood. NASA claims that Mars is a desert planet with no life at all. NASA lies, repeatedly.

Where would a piece of timber this size come from? There are vast forests on Mars, ones that are kept from the public. This piece of wood looks like it floated to its present location, being partially sunk in the soil. The ground around it is very interesting. Notice the flat rock formation of the soil and the crevices in between them. Does this look familiar? It appears to be the bed of a dried up pond. There had to be a significant amount of water in this area, water high enough to lift that railroad tie sized piece of timber and float is perhaps several miles. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter showed that vast regions of the Red Planet have been altered by floods. This dried pond effect should come as no surprise.


This flood had to have happened within the past thirty or forty years because the wood is intact, though this is judging the rate of decay by Earth standards. Some may say that Mars did have water on it long ago and that it even had an atmosphere, which is true, but a piece of timber isn’t going to survive for thousands of years.

Both of the Viking Orbiters filmed vast forests on Mars, though no subsequent probe to the Red Planet has shot a single frame of film showing a tree. This was by design. The Viking photographs show more than just a few trees but rather thousands upon thousand of them. These trees appear to be much larger than Earth trees, having a leaf and branch system that is unique to Mars. The foliage spans much wider than a similar plants on Earth do, rising to who knows what heights. The spacing between them could be the result of the dying Martian atmosphere. Dense forests more than likely filled large areas of Mars back in the days when it had a breathable environment. There were undoubtedly several species of trees, and different varieties of underbrush, which are now extinct.

The Flood destroyed the Garden of Eden and other ancient worlds that God wanted destroyed such as Atlantis. The Ancient Egyptians spoke of a time that existed before Egypt. The Sphinx clearly shows signs of water erosion, which shows that it existed before the Flood and well before modern archeologists claim that it did. The same wiping out strategy was applied to worlds beyond the Earth. Mars has an ancient world that was destroyed, one with a face and a pyramid. So it isn’t so hard to believe that the moon did as well.

Many claim that the moon isn’t a moon at all but an alien object that was placed in Earth orbit. Some have called it Luna. They claim that the moon was not mentioned in the Biblical story of creation, but it was. The moon was referred to as “the lesser light that rules the night” in Genesis 1:16. The moon stopped in the sky in Joshua 10:30 but this had nothing to do with the alien presence there.

The aliens live on the surface of the moon, but this is in no way saying that there isn’t an alien presence inside the moon as well. If you take some time to use your photo editor with high-resolution photos of the moon, it won’t take you long to find these structures. NASA will suggest that you created this or that it is really part of a crater. Stop and ask yourself one question, if the moon really is as NASA claims that it is, then why are some photos classified and unavailable to the public while others are inked and blurred?

One of the most famous examples of this is the Apollo 16 “Earth rise” photo in which “the Earth” is rising over the moon. NASA says that the object in the picture is the Earth and few people question it. If you think for yourself, and look with an open mind, you will clearly see that this is a UFO. This is another craft off to the left, which NASA doesn’t even attempt to explain away.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7766/moonthreetd7.jpg

The fact that trees can survive in such an atmosphere, and with much less water than Earth trees do, reveals their unique structure while offering hope for an increasingly polluted Earth. Since the Martian atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide, these plants would have to thrive on it in a way much superior to Earth trees. They may give off oxygen, though I am using terrestrial vegetation for comparison, but they could give off another gas, one even toxic to humans. Seeding or drafting these trees in bulk could bring breathable air back to the Red Planet. If Mars was so altered by water, then where did all that water go? Some of it went into the soil, much of it is frozen at the poles, and a good percentage of it went into a lake. NASA didn’t need to spend all that money on the Phoenix Mission in order to search for water on Mars. All they had to do was look at their old photographs.

The only way that piece of timber got to where it was is by way of flood, and the only way that it separated from the tree that it was once a part of was by high and rapidly flowing water. Based on the findings of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, that piece of wood could’ve floated for some distance before coming to its final resting place.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4450/moonfourad1.jpg

The lake, although frozen, Mars having a mean surface temperature of -46 degrees C, must contain more than just water. There has to be some amebas and other single celled organisms in these waters. There are most likely fossils of Martian fish and perhaps even Martian animals. On Earth, old lake beds are a prime location in which to find dinosaur fossils. Why would Mars be any different?

If you examine the lake carefully, especially toward the right angle, you will notice two indentations. One is large and shallow while the other one, which is located near the right edge of the lake, is small but much deeper. These are due to the lake shifting as the result of temperature fluctuations.

NASA can keep telling its lies but the photos have slipped out and what a story they tell. NASA thought that the Opportunity Rover took a picture of the area in front of it, but did they honestly expect us to forget about the railroad sized piece of timber in the foreground? It’s time for NASA to come clean with the public. It’s time that they land one of those rovers in Cydonia, the Inca city, or in one of forests.

Image sources:

The high resolution picture, which this might have come from is at:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040524a/site_B115_navcam_180_cyl_L-B118R1.jpg

The object is on the left hand side of the montage.

More photos:

Navigation Camera :: Sol 115 (27 images) - Text Only version
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity_n115.html
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/115/1N138388241EFF2700P1994R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/115/1N138388278EFF2700P1994L0M1.HTML

It can be seen in Navigation Photo Sol 118

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/119/1N138745027EFF2809P1987R0M1.HTML

Tom Arbino has his own UFO forum: www.ufo-secret-files.net

References:
www.livescience.com/space/080716-mars-water.html
www.marsdaily.com/reports/Frozen_Water_Confirmed_On_Mars_999.html

http://thecrit.com/2008/08/05/nasa-mars-photo-leaked-wood-found-on-mars/

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[hagbard_celine]

There's a track behind the "piece of wood" which makes it look like it's been dragged into place.

:confused:;)

[disorder2k8]

in Your grey panorama there is a light in the distance.

I have a colour pic of what looks like water channels and building blocks/slabs on Mars as well

there is this site called mars anomaly research which has a lot of cool pics, including one that looks like a dune buggy (that isn't ours)

[shabun]

Good post,

I'd like to try and correct a few points though -

This photo did not "slip out" it has been posted many times before by NASA. If you go into the NASA Mars site you will find it was openly posted many months ago, and there has been no attempt to hide it. Your accusation of NASA lies and cover up of this photo is totally incorrect, but not surprising.

Also, NASA current view is that Mars is a desolate planet but they have never denied that life may be possible, either now, or in the past. A major point of them sending the rovers is to find evidence to support the possiblity of life.

And as for your Earth rise photo. Could you post that please? I'd like to see this UFO.

[bill23]

it might be wood, but it could be stone.

[disorder2k8]

actually there are square cut stone blocks in the 1st wood pic too

[endlessvista]

Looks like a railway sleeper! Gosh, and here I was thinking only Irish Rail's timekeeping was from another planet!

[charliebad]

Do you not think Cadbury's are playing an expensive product placement advert with an over-sized flake?

:D Good post though, there are things we ain't being told that's for sure.

[jahzel]

Why do they always send those rovers to thee most shitty locations on mars where nothing's going on? Why not send one to check out those trees? It's common bloody sense! I feel conned (again!)

[signs]

Why do they always send those rovers to thee most shitty locations on mars where nothing's going on? Why not send one to check out those trees? It's common bloody sense! I feel conned (again!)

True that's the smoking gun for me, i bet they HAVE sent rovers there to investigate , NASA would be very excited and probably concerned that there is anomaly's on Mars like the block.Just cannot imagine them not investigating it further and was is not NASA who said not so long ago that they do not investigate UFO reports or sightings , like the British MOD its about time they came clean.:cool: They are hiding things , there is no doubt in my mind.

[shabun]

True that's the smoking gun for me, i bet they HAVE sent rovers there to investigate , NASA would be very excited and probably concerned that there is anomaly's on Mars like the block.Just cannot imagine them not investigating it further and was is not NASA who said not so long ago that they do not investigate UFO reports or sightings , like the British MOD its about time they came clean.:cool: They are hiding things , there is no doubt in my mind.

I have to challenge you chaps. It was NASA who took and published these photos in the first place! If they are hiding something then why openly publish the photos? They also posted the block of "wood" yet you folks thingk there was some sort of conspiracy to cover it up. Sorry folks, you are all wrong, for once just accept that.

Now why have they not put a lander there yet? Well regardless of whether it is trees or geological formations then landing there without trashing the lander would be extremely difficult so its no surprise they have not been able to land there, yet.

Don't get me wrong - I am very intrigued by the photos but I struggle to understand where you think there is a "cover up" with "people getting killed" comes in. I think you let your fantasies cloud your common-sense - there has not been a cover up of these photos, they are freely available and always have been. How you interpret them is up to you.

Interesting that when NASA publish photos from the moon they are all deemed as fakes because you just don't want them to be real, but any photo which suggests something that fits your agenda you immediately assume are genuine.

[chattanova]

Why do they always send those rovers to thee most shitty locations on mars where nothing's going on? Why not send one to check out those trees? It's common bloody sense! I feel conned (again!)

Yes, they could do some on the 'Candor City' area where much of the good stuff is located.

Candor City
exact location: 6°S, 72.5°W

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/29/f_marscandorcm_5e56d75.gif

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/11/29/f_ab104205locm_5fdec82.jpg

The city is located on a hill between Ophir and Candor Chasma. You can see remains of buildings, about 40 to 200 meters wide and 10 to 100 meters high. It is almost impossible, that these shapes could be produced by natural erosion processes.

The city might be one of the seven legendary cities on Mars which are known through old sagas.

The Tempelpyramid

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/11/29/f_1m_6d46839.gif

edges of the buildings

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/29/f_2m_4af8df8.gif

Elysium region

Pyramid on Mars
about 2 km side-length
Elysium region

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/11/29/f_elysiumpyram_02a4199.gif


From Life On Mars thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3449

[runlikehell]

Remains of buildings? cut stone blocks? Im not sure about that. Stone can come almost natrualy square. But that would prove the existence of weather systems, in which there would defanetly be winds and water involved, and thousands of years worth. Water on mars? Garantued!

[signs]

I have to challenge you chaps. It was NASA who took and published these photos in the first place! If they are hiding something then why openly publish the photos? They also posted the block of "wood" yet you folks thingk there was some sort of conspiracy to cover it up. Sorry folks, you are all wrong, for once just accept that.

Now why have they not put a lander there yet? Well regardless of whether it is trees or geological formations then landing there without trashing the lander would be extremely difficult so its no surprise they have not been able to land there, yet.

Don't get me wrong - I am very intrigued by the photos but I struggle to understand where you think there is a "cover up" with "people getting killed" comes in. I think you let your fantasies cloud your common-sense - there has not been a cover up of these photos, they are freely available and always have been. How you interpret them is up to you.

Interesting that when NASA publish photos from the moon they are all deemed as fakes because you just don't want them to be real, but any photo which suggests something that fits your agenda you immediately assume are genuine.



I do respect your views but what about the number of ex NASA employees who have came forward and said that NASA do not tell the whole story about UFOs , why is this and they do not release the pictures that would put to bed the ongoing debate that we are in fact being visited.There is so much red tape involved with what NASA can and cannot release, do you think they would release pictures of ,say alien artefacts, objects,un-natural structures (block, they have), or even evidence of such magnitude that proves alien life once or still exists on Mars.I would imagine they would hold back on a number of reasons , the big one for me would be National Security , preventing any other nations getting info on the discoveries.To many ex- or current employees of NASA have spoken out, that for me is the rat in the kitchen.

[lordzoma]

Anyone who thinks Nasa is forthright with all of their information and is not involved in any sort of coverup whatsoever - is so asleep it's pathetic.

[shabun]

I do respect your views but what about the number of ex NASA employees who have came forward and said that NASA do not tell the whole story about UFOs , why is this and they do not release the pictures that would put to bed the ongoing debate that we are in fact being visited.There is so much red tape involved with what NASA can and cannot release, do you think they would release pictures of ,say alien artefacts, objects,un-natural structures (block, they have), or even evidence of such magnitude that proves alien life once or still exists on Mars.I would imagine they would hold back on a number of reasons , the big one for me would be National Security , preventing any other nations getting info on the discoveries.To many ex- or current employees of NASA have spoken out, that for me is the rat in the kitchen.

Thanks for the reply - I don't deny that NASA will probably have many, many secrets they don't want the public to know. For a start a lot of their early work no doubt had military objectives.

However, in this specific case, on this thread, it is mentioned that the photos would "get someone killed" and they were "leaked" by some NASA employee. That is just not correct - if you check yourself you will see the photos on the NASA site.

You need to get some sort of balance otherwise when the time comes to expose something important you will look silly. You may have to accept that sometimes NASA may just actually be doing something openly.

[shabun]

Anyone who thinks Nasa is forthright with all of their information and is not involved in any sort of coverup whatsoever - is so asleep it's pathetic.

So I am pathetic am I? I didn't say NASA is always forthright, I simply stated that, in this specific case, there is accusation of the photos having to be "leaked" and people "ketting killed" - that is clearly incorrect as NASA posted the photos themselves.

Sorry mate - in this case the evidence is clear and the only "pathetic" thing is the accusation of a "cover-up" of these photos, but I suppose all those who like to fantasise about conspiracies all the time will not accept this. Why let the evidence get in the way of a good chance for you to masturbate over a "leaked" photo?

[lordzoma]

Everything you just said is pure conjecture.

GO BACK TO SLEEP!

THERE IS NO COVERUP!

THERE ARE NO ALIENS!

YOUR LEADERS ARE ALL FULLY HUMAN!

YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE ALL FULLY HUMAN!

THERE WAS NEVER ANY LIFE ON MARS!

LIFE ENDS AT DEATH! CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME!

GO TO SLEEP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGf60ksJlpU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_zMaSPPdpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUCKibPr7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IzXHsym7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFBUS0kiSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCQLMRvr_jc

[shabun]

Everything you just said is pure conjecture.



I'm afraid not, just go onto the NASA site yourself and you will find the photo! No conjecture, the photo is sitting there, nobody "covered it up", nobody "got killed". It is there. You are wrong. Try harder.

[lordzoma]

Shabun's boiled it down to arguing with himself over trivial meaningless details. Who cares if a nasa photo is 'leaked' or not. Of course there's a bloody coverup. What color is the sky on mars? Is it red? If you said yes, guess what - you're fucking wrong! wake up Shabun. You don't know what you're talking about.

[omegasol]

Shabun's boiled it down to arguing with himself over trivial meaningless details. Who cares if a nasa photo is 'leaked' or not.

a trivial meaningless detail? Without this:

Someone at NASA released a photo that they shouldn’t have, a picture of a piece of timber the size of a railroad tie, a photo that could get someone killed.

you didn´t even had a story...

just like shabun said, i´m also pretty sure that Nasa hides a lot from the public, but in this case i fail to see a conspiracy. we have some interesting, official pictures, but that´s really it.

i don´t understand why some people always try to explain EVERYTHING with conspiracy-theories.

[lordzoma]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE!

Do you people really care about the trees, when the real issue is the forest?

You're both drawing attention away from one important thing - the simple fact that NASA is completely 100% complicit in covering up ufo activity on earth throughout its' entire duration of existence. Bits like the photo with the 'wood' whether leaked or directly put out there on purpose or even simply ignored, are all part of the desensitization of the public.

It is INEVITABLE that the entire public become fully immersed in alien culture when the Orion empire takes overt control over this planet in the years to come. Everything sociopolitically is leading up to that point.

I don't give a FUCK whether or not someone was murdered to put that picture out there or not, and neither should any of you. Stop bickering about bullshit and wake the hell up, because it's really, really pathetic to do otherwise.

[klinker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFBUS0kiSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCQLMRvr_jc

I find the last two vids especially quite amazing. I've seen them befofre on the Everards DVDs but can anyone explain what the objects are? They are clearly moving around. The other thing that strikes me is the lack of acknowledgment of these object from the commentators.

[oddblock]

I find the last two vids especially quite amazing. I've seen them befofre on the Everards DVDs but can anyone explain what the objects are? They are clearly moving around. The other thing that strikes me is the lack of acknowledgment of these object from the commentators.

I seriously think the reason there is lack of comment is because they are so used to seeing these things that they've just become part of the job, something to ignore and get on with your work! :D

Truly amazing videos!

[shabun]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE!

Do you people really care about the trees, when the real issue is the forest?

You're both drawing attention away from one important thing - the simple fact that NASA is completely 100% complicit in covering up ufo activity on earth throughout its' entire duration of existence. Bits like the photo with the 'wood' whether leaked or directly put out there on purpose or even simply ignored, are all part of the desensitization of the public.

It is INEVITABLE that the entire public become fully immersed in alien culture when the Orion empire takes overt control over this planet in the years to come. Everything sociopolitically is leading up to that point.

I don't give a FUCK whether or not someone was murdered to put that picture out there or not, and neither should any of you. Stop bickering about bullshit and wake the hell up, because it's really, really pathetic to do otherwise.

No need to get so insulting. It shows how childish you are. Or desperate.

Maybe this will make diddums feel better -

The wood on Mars is a railway sleeper from the old Mars mainline railway. It was accidentally leaked onto NASAs own website by an employee who was then murdered in cold blood by a shapeshifting reptilian. NASA have covered up the photo by leaving it on their website and hoping nobody sees it.

There, thats better.

[stelios]

No need to get so insulting. It shows how childish you are. Or desperate.

Maybe this will make diddums feel better -

The wood on Mars is a railway sleeper from the old Mars mainline railway. It was accidentally leaked onto NASAs own website by an employee who was then murdered in cold blood by a shapeshifting reptilian. NASA have covered up the photo by leaving it on their website and hoping nobody sees it.

There, thats better.

You so desperately want to believe dont you.
No matter what happens your faith in NASA will never falter.

Wake up and accept that NASA tells lies. Big huge whoppers.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/Cshad.gif

Remember this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
NASA wants people to believe in aliens.
Thats the agenda. Belief in aliens backs up the moon landings hoax.

[shabun]

You so desperately want to believe dont you.
No matter what happens your faith in NASA will never falter.

Wake up and accept that NASA tells lies. Big huge whoppers.

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/Cshad.gif

Remember this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI
NASA wants people to believe in aliens.
Thats the agenda. Belief in aliens backs up the moon landings hoax.


Actually Stelios, you are yet again wrong -

I have never said NASA don't tell lies, in fact I am quite certain that they do, given some of the military and other objectives in their missions. I already posted that is my view.

What I have posted, is that in this case - the accusation that NASA have covered anything up and tried to kill people is stupid, as the picture we are discussing was actually posted onto the web by NASA themselves. Like it or lump it, NASA posted that photo, and NASA have not tried to cover it up, nor have they tried to kill whoever posted it, so keep on masturbating in your fantasy world that NASA have tried to cover up the photo and kill people!!

I also believe that Apollo landed on the moon. I am sure that given some of the more "black" objectives, secrets from those missions are also being withheld. But that doesn't mean the whole apollo landings were faked, it just means they are keeping some information from these missions as classified.

So - for the record - Stelios - to think there is a conspiracy by NASA to hide the photo and kill people who "leaked" it, is I'm afraid, not correct. Keep on tugging though, don't let the truth get in the way of your fantasies!

[oddblock]

Okay I don't know the history of the snap... But is there a possibility that NASA posted this picture AFTER it was leaked?

[shabun]

Okay I don't know the history of the snap... But is there a possibility that NASA posted this picture AFTER it was leaked?

Absolutely not. It was never leaked in the first place! Nobody "leaked" it. It was posted on the NASA site and that is where people got it from. I think now and then, peeps on this site should occasionaly accept that sometimes the Conspiracy theorists just get it wrong, but in their desire to see "conspiracies" they make unfounded accusations that have no basis, whatsoever in reality. That is why conspiracy theorists are their own worst enemies sometimes.

I know it would be nice for peeps on this site if the photo had indeed been leaked and someone killed, but they should be more interested in what is actually on the photo. Is it wood? I don't know, but I do know nobody "covered it up". It has been openly discussed on many astronomy sites for ages now.

[stelios]

I have never said NASA don't tell lies, in fact I am quite certain that they do

Glad to hear it mate. But you still believe in the Apollo moon landings hoax.
What is it going to take to make you see the light?

Please tell us - do you agree with Buzz Aldrin that there are aliens?

[shabun]

Glad to hear it mate. But you still believe in the Apollo moon landings hoax.
What is it going to take to make you see the light?

Please tell us - do you agree with Buzz Aldrin that there are aliens?

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.

[chattanova]

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles..

Or is it more like you won't believe :confused:

[dankai]

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.
Whatever anyone believes, the following video should in the very least make one consider life outside of our blue marble called earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k

[shabun]

Or is it more like you won't believe :confused:

No, its I don't believe. If I see evidence of UFOs, and I mean real evidence, not hoax videos, then I will be happy to accept.

However, that video from the hoaxer (in another thread, the one with the paper-mache alien and pretend vomiting) which everyone here fell for was so clearly a hoax that you really need to challenge yourself more.

[shabun]

Whatever anyone believes, the following video should in the very least make one consider life outside of our blue marble called earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k

I don't deny there is life outside earth - the chances that we are the only ones in the universe is slim. But that is different to believing in UFOs and crop circles.

[lordzoma]

Shabun is one of those people who is probably an animal spirit, or at the very least, incapable of understanding reality. Try re-watching the sts videos shabun and see if you can have an ephiphany. Otherwise, you're in the wrong forum. Ta ta. One day you'll wake up when it hits you in the face like everyone else. :p

[shabun]

Shabun is one of those people who is probably an animal spirit, or at the very least, incapable of understanding reality. Try re-watching the sts videos shabun and see if you can have an ephiphany. Otherwise, you're in the wrong forum. Ta ta. One day you'll wake up when it hits you in the face like everyone else. :p

Ta ta? Trying to get rid of me so you can continue your "people getting killed" fantasies without challenge? Scared you will look stupid?

Please post a link to the sts videos (whatever they are) and I will be happy to view them with an open mind.

[lordzoma]

For the last time shabun, I don't give a rats ass about nasa and their coverups. But you obviously didn't watch the sts links i posted in this thread days ago.

[stelios]

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.
See we are almost on the same page.

I have never said NASA don't tell lies, in fact I am quite certain that they do

Now just a little further mate and you and i will be singing the same hymn.:D

[runciter]

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.

do you think they are all man made? with or without the use of secret technologies?

[runciter]

I don't deny there is life outside earth - the chances that we are the only ones in the universe is slim. But that is different to believing in UFOs and crop circles.

i think you're simply afraid of thinking about some non-human presence on this planet.

[shabun]

do you think they are all man made? with or without the use of secret technologies?

Yes I do. But if you can show me clear evidence that they were made by aliens I would be happy to review that. Bear in mind that I understand many crop circles have been shown to be hoaxes already so please don't post anything that has been debunked already.

[shabun]

i think you're simply afraid of thinking about some non-human presence on this planet.

No I am not afraid - in fact it would be quite interesting to me. All you need to do is provide some evidence which has not already been debunked and I promise to review it with an open mind. But as a start - please don't use that video of the paper mache alien and the guy pretending to vomit (then responding to his own posts about it under a fake account) - it is so clearly nonsense that your whole credibility would be blown if you use that one.

[shabun]

See we are almost on the same page.

Now just a little further mate and you and i will be singing the same hymn.:D

lol - not quite! We will agree to disagree on Apollo forever!

[runciter]

Yes I do.


you didn't answer my second question.

[runciter]

No I am not afraid


you say you are not afraid, but i'm still thinking you are.

[shabun]

you didn't answer my second question.

In answer to the second question I believe they are all man-made by methods that do not require the use of "secret technologies". But again, please privide evidence that they were (not "could have been") made using "secret technologies" and I will be happy to look at it with an open imnd.

[shabun]

you say you are not afraid, but i'm still thinking you are.

Then you are mistaken. Enough of this - please post firm evidence that there are aliens and UFOs and I will be happy to look at it with an open mind. If you don't provide any then I will continue with my belief that you are bonkers.

I await your evidence.

[runciter]

In answer to the second question I believe they are all man-made by methods that do not require the use of "secret technologies". But again, please privide evidence that they were (not "could have been") made using "secret technologies" and I will be happy to look at it with an open imnd.

you're saying that all crop circles are hoaxes made without the use hidden technologies.

[runciter]

Then you are mistaken. Enough of this - please post firm evidence that there are aliens and UFOs and I will be happy to look at it with an open mind. If you don't provide any then I will continue with my belief that you are bonkers.

I await your evidence.

another hypothesis: you know or suspect that non-human intelligences are active on this planet, but don't want people to know about them, so you have to suggest that all ufos and crop circles have been "debunked".

[signs]

Then you are mistaken. Enough of this - please post firm evidence that there are aliens and UFOs and I will be happy to look at it with an open mind. If you don't provide any then I will continue with my belief that you are bonkers.

I await your evidence.




Statement from Dr. John Mack - SCI FI Abduction Symposium

Dr. John Mack, Center for Psychology and Social Change

original source | fair use notice

Summary: The complete text of the opening remarks Dr. Mack planned to present at the November 19 symposium.

John Mack , M.D.
author's bio

It has been nearly thirteen years since I first heard about the so-called alien abduction phenomenon from a colleague and friend. She told me that there were people from all over the United States telling Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs and a few other courageous investigators that they had been visited by strange humanoid beings who were taking them into spacecraft and subjecting them to various intrusive examinations and procedures. My first reaction, needless to say, was that this was some new sort of psychotic manifestation. But when I actually began to meet with these individuals it quickly became apparent that they were, for the most part, people of sound mind. There was nothing about their histories or personal psychology that could account in any way for what they were reporting, nor was there then or now depictions in the media that accurately portrayed the detailed, consistent stories that I was hearing. Furthermore, the experiencers had nothing to gain from telling anyone of such bizarre encounters, had had no contact at the time with other experiencers, and were reporting consistent stories with the kind of intense emotion that people express about something that has actually happened to them.

The only problem was that what they were describing was not supposed to be possible within the framework of the worldview in which I was raised. According to this worldview, it may be theoretically possible, even likely, that life forms have developed on some of the countless planets in the billions of galaxies that constitute our known universe. But, except for the inhospitable planets in our solar system, they are all so far away that beings could not get here, since it has been presumed that the speed of light is the maximum speed at which they could travel, and there would not be time for them to get here in any conceivable single lifetime. A rigid adherence to this worldview, sometimes called the Newtonian/Cartesian or materialist perspective, essentially voids the universe of all other intelligence that could reach our planet.

As I worked with these individuals, and became increasingly convinced that they were describing real experiences, I was forced to choose between two possibilities: either an explanation might yet be found that was consistent with our traditional materialist worldview, or this worldview was in some way incomplete.

The abductees—I prefer to call them “experiencers” because it is not clear how many of these individuals have actually been “taken” somewheres—have often been subjected to extensive medical and psychiatric workups in a search for some explanation consistent with the above worldview. Sometimes these examinations have been quite detrimental to their physical and mental health, and inappropriate medications or other treatments have been administered. But nothing has been found that has provided an explanation that is consistent with the established scientific paradigm. It has become increasingly clear that what the experiencers are reporting comes as close as we have been able to get to what has happened to them.

In the last few years I have had the privilege of discussing the encounter phenomenon with a number of physicists, whose evolving cosmology includes such notions as parallel universes, other dimensions of reality, wormholes, quantum holography, the quantum vacuum, zero point energy, non-locality, speeds vastly greater than the speed of light, and consciousness as the primary creative energy of the universe. Although no one has been able to “explain” the encounter phenomenon, these concepts have made it seem less strange to scientists and clinicians.

Each of us in this discussion agrees that this phenomenon is of momentous significance. But we might differ in our emphasis. Initially I had thought that the “great news” was the fact that we were being visited by alien life forms, but my view of this matter has changed as I have had the opportunity to work with experiencers and medicine men in native cultures. Many indigenous societies have always known of the “sky people,” and some believe they are descended from them. It is difficult sometimes to know whether these individuals are speaking or writing of literal or mythic experiences, as traditional peoples do not place as much emphasis on this distinction as we do in the West. But it has become clear to me that in some instances, at least, my informants have been referring to experiences that are not easily distinguished from the “abduction” phenomenon. Cultural interpretation is important, but the core encounter experience may be similar in different societies.

I have also spent a good deal of time trying to relate the abduction phenomenon to other anomalous or extraordinary human experiences. Psychologist Rhea White has identified ten classes of exceptional experiences which, in addition to the encounter phenomenon, include near death experiences, exceptional human performance feats, unexplained healings, psychical experiences, and mystical or religious peak experiences. What each of these experiences have in common is that they challenge the Western worldview that regards physical matter and energy as the primary reality, and that knowledge is to be obtained solely through the application of a methodology that drastically separates the investigator from his subject. The abduction or encounter phenomenon is distinct primarily because of the degree to which it penetrates, unequivocally, into our physical world. It reaches us, in effect, “where we live,” and comes upon us often unbidden and usually unwelcomed. However it shares with these other experiences a basic property. Each of these phenomena speak to us of a universe that contains forces and intelligences that do not reveal their secrets to a way of knowing that separates the investigator from the subject he is exploring or from the person whose experiences he is trying to understand.

The earth-shaking news then is that the findings of the investigators of the encounter phenomenon and other extraordinary human experiences are among the discoveries that are bringing about the collapse of the materialist worldview. Furthermore, the basic elements of the phenomenon can now be seen as less inconsistent with the findings of leading scientists than was once believed. But as the distinguished theologian, Huston Smith, wrote in his recent book, Why Religion Matters, “No one dares to attempt the removal of the ideological carcass [of the materialist worldview] from fear of the consequences of universal disapproval.”

The abduction phenomenon is potentially especially powerful in hastening the transformation of our worldview, for it is particularly difficult to deny. Strange craft can, and indeed have been, frequently photographed and videotaped by entirely credible professionals, including journalists, law enforcement officials and military personnel. Experiencers relive their encounters with unique intensity, and “return” with marks and small lesions on their bodies that neither they nor their physicians can explain. But it is one among a number of phenomena that are all pointing in the same direction, namely that, in the words of astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, after he came back from his own “peak” experience in space, “The answers to the ancient questions, ‘Who are we? How did we get here? Where are we going?’ within science were certainly incomplete and perhaps flawed.”

I am sometimes asked how I know that the experiencers are telling the truth about what they say has happened to them. It is a good question, one that each of us who work in this controversial field must consider, especially when there may not be available convincing corroborative physical evidence.;) To some extent this is a clinical question. The interviewer/examiner must develop an empathic, trusting relationship with the experiencer, relying on intuition;) as well as an intellectual evaluation in assessing the mental status of the experiencer. The examiner usually speaks with those who know the person about his or her reliability in other matters, looks for independent observers of the event in question, and tries, within reason, to rule out alternative explanations. But there is something more, what might be called witnessing.

This is a quality known to religious and tribal leaders from ancient times—as, for example, in the case of priests trying to evaluate reports of miracles, apparitions, or even “demonic possession.” It is the sense that one is in the presence of a truth teller, a person who is a witness to a compelling, often sacred, reality. We see a witness through the “eye of the heart.” One experiencer with whom I have worked closely has written of the reluctance of witnesses of such experiences to speak, especially when what they have to say is not accepted within the framework of a society’s consensus reality. “Yet when they speak,” she has written, “all recognize they have been in other realms. Sincerity and truth and power of spirit are just as measurable as inches and pounds, but not in the same way. The measuring rod is the sense of pattern ringing true that one feels in the presence of such a person.”

The way that we receive the communications of authentic witnesses has an important moral dimension. For when we unjustly disbelieve them we can cause deep wounding for them as individuals. Equally important we deprive ourselves of information that may have great meaning for the society, which it is perilous to discount or ignore.

The encounter phenomenon challenges the literal mind, the tendency in a mass media and sound bite dominated culture such as ours to reduce complex questions to either/or answers and solutions.;) But this phenomenon confronts us with ambiguity and paradox, depending upon the observer’s perspective or relation to it. It is physically real, but not always. The beings may seem to be embodied, but at other times less so, or they may appear as translucent forms that do not appear to be solid at all. The experiences can be traumatic, and yet spiritually transforming. The beings are menacing, but they may also awaken us to loving aspects of ourselves, and to vast dimensions of reality from which our materialist worldview has cut us off.;)

I wish to close with a kind of parable. One of the questions that is frequently asked about the encounter phenomenon has to do with alien morality or justice—what right do these beings have to force themselves into peoples lives, sometimes hurtfully, without permission? But think of this. Imagine that you work for a higher intelligence in some region of the universe, and you and It have noted that one species among the millions residing on a jewel among the planets has taken upon itself a destructive project. It has appropriated this planet for itself, while killing off millions of other species, not just for its own survival, but indifferently or wantonly, sometimes just for the sport of it. Furthermore, this species has already rendered much of this planet uninhabitable, and is at risk of making still more of it incapable of sustaining life, and threatening destroy all life through the development and use of nuclear weapons. From that perspective how would you judge the alien intrusion?

I am not suggesting that the beings have come here to save us. The phenomenon may not even be primarily about us, except possibly in the sense of damage control or for the preservation of elements of our genetic structure. But the parable becomes less far fetched when you consider that most, if not all, experiencers receive information in the course of their encounters, sometimes communicated vividly and dramatically, about the status of the earth’s living systems and our responsibility for the planet’s perilous condition. They are affected deeply by these communications, and some experiencers become active protectors of the earth’s living systems. Not all well informed people believe this parable to be literally true. However, I personally believe it would be wise to conduct ourselves as if it were true, unless or until it is proven to be untrue. This would require that we awaken to the harm to the earth that we are causing by our present conduct, and take concrete steps to reverse this course.


There, the above is enough for me to think that crop circles , well some ,COULD or ARE produce by the above technologies, if they have the technology to abduct ,examine and erase the memory of abductees , then its pretty sure bet that they are responsible for the highly complex formations.He ,the late Dr John Mack was convinced people were describing real experiences, i know which one i would welcome with an open mind.;)
NOT ALL EVIDENCE COMES IN THE FORM OF HARD PHYSICAL PROOF,intuition is a very misused and underrated method of diagnosing provable facts or situations.THE HEAD WILL SAY NO BUT THE HEART WILL SAY WHY NOT.

[signs]

i would also like to add that when you consider all the evidance that has come in the forms of ,radar,testimonies, multiple witnesses, ex and current military , police, lawyers,judges, astronauts ,from pictures and videos that have passed rigorous testing, unexplained pregnancy and then not were the foetus has been removed,recent and currant MOD, USAF files dealing, highly complex and bazaar sightings and landings,In a nut shell, you would have to be bonkers NOT to believe or entertain the notion that we are and have been for a time been visited from other worlds, take all the reports and sightings from the 1940s to the present day(ok excluding the known forged and fake ones) , it still adds up to a staggering amount of evidance.:cool:

[shabun]

Signs,
Thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated.

But pasting a statement from someone who says he believes it is not evidence!

Please show me a specific crop circle - a specific one, somewhere in the world, that has been proven to be caused by aliens. Do that and I will look carefully at it. Please check beforehand that the crop circle in question has not been debunked.

Thanks.

[runciter]

Signs,
Thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated.

But pasting a statement from someone who says he believes it is not evidence!

Please show me a specific crop circle - a specific one, somewhere in the world, that has been proven to be caused by aliens. Do that and I will look carefully at it. Please check beforehand that the crop circle in question has not been debunked.

Thanks.

ok shabun, you believe that all crop circles have been debunked as man made hoaxes.

[shabun]

ok shabun, you believe that all crop circles have been debunked as man made hoaxes.

Yes I do, but once you show me one which hasn't, I will change that view.

Over to you.

[runciter]

Yes I do, but once you show me one which hasn't, I will change that view.

Over to you.

i don't want to change your beliefs, even if i know they're based on false assumptions.

[shabun]

i don't want to change your beliefs, even if i know they're based on false assumptions.

rofl. I interpret that you have no evidence otherwise you would post it.

Signs, how about you? Can you post any specific crop circles that have been proven to be made by aliens?

Over to you.

[runciter]

rofl. I interpret that you have no evidence otherwise you would post it.

Signs, how about you? Can you post any specific crop circles that have been proven to be made by aliens?

Over to you.

the statement "all crop circles have been debunked" is false, isn't it?

edit:

take a look at wabun's posts..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26022&page=19

[lordzoma]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4558580438867695185&ei=dtM2SfCNOZLAqALg8YSeDg&q=crop+circle&hl=en&dur=3

Watch this and quit your yappin.

[shabun]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4558580438867695185&ei=dtM2SfCNOZLAqALg8YSeDg&q=crop+circle&hl=en&dur=3

Watch this and quit your yappin.

Ta,
Its a long one but here goes.

[dankai]

Signs,
Thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated.

But pasting a statement from someone who says he believes it is not evidence!

Please show me a specific crop circle - a specific one, somewhere in the world, that has been proven to be caused by aliens. Do that and I will look carefully at it. Please check beforehand that the crop circle in question has not been debunked.

Thanks.
Did you view the vid I posted the other day? I'll post it again here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k

[stelios]

lol - not quite! We will agree to disagree on Apollo forever!
Come on matey, dont let pride get in the way of the truth.
It is a clear choice either you believe in science fact or science fiction you cant have a foot in both camps.
There is just as much dubious evidence to back up your views as these views.
I just wish you would see the obvious parallels.. The way you look at their beliefs is the same way i consider yours. Equally preposterous.

[shabun]

Come on matey, dont let pride get in the way of the truth.
It is a clear choice either you believe in science fact or science fiction you cant have a foot in both camps.
There is just as much dubious evidence to back up your views as these views.
I just wish you would see the obvious parallels.. The way you look at their beliefs is the same way i consider yours. Equally preposterous.

Bollocks. Get back over to the Apollo thread and answer the questions put to you - we can argue about Apollo over there - this thread is about UFOs and crop circles. It is quite possible for me to think Apollo is real and crop circles are bollocks. Anyway, I still have to look through the stuff that was posted here before I draw a conclusion.

[shabun]

Did you view the vid I posted the other day? I'll post it again here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k

Thanks for posting. I looked at the video but I have to say that I asked to see a crop circle that has been proven to be done by aliens. Where is the evidence that aliens made the ones you posted?

[runciter]

Thanks for posting. I looked at the video but I have to say that I asked to see a crop circle that has been proven to be done by aliens. Where is the evidence that aliens made the ones you posted?

where is the evidence that all crop circles are man-made?

[runciter]

from another thread;

Quite a leap from A to Z, eh people?

Yes, the grain from genuine crop circles contains stretched nodes in fresh plants, and expulsion fissures at the nodes in dry plants- signs that the plants have been flash-heated and immediately cooled, which looks very similar to what results when you put plants in a microwave. To immediately leap to "military" from this makes as much sense as the media telling us there are absolutely only two choices we have when it comes to crop circles: "Aliens" or "Humans."

I have come to know, through my research over the last 5 years, that genuine crop circles are planned out by the spirits of our ancestors, who enlist the help of "nature spirits" or "devas" when it comes time to physically create the formations. This is why the media, and the armies of Masonic/CIA/Pentagon/etc. bloggers such as "masonfreeparty" hired to muddy the information pool, give us only "Aliens" and "people" as the only two possible choices. The elite who control the media are absolutely terrified that the people of the Earth might begin to reconnect with the spirits of our ancestors, and so they hire CIA operatives and Freemasons like "masonfreeparty" to use words as weapons on the internet, using limited logic in ways that might fool less alert readers. Take the following example:

Hmm.. "This effect can only reached by masers?" Quite a confident-sounding statement at first glance, but if you pick it apart, the illusion of logic crumbles. Had "masonfree party" said instead, "This effect, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, can only be reached by masers" it would've left the door open to the truth, but that is the point of his post: he is trying to create the ILLUSION of airtight logic to gullible readers, as he has been taught. "masonfree party" knows full well that he's muddying the information pool on purpose; he does not believe a word he is writing.

WOW! "Case closed, debate is over, nothing to see here people, move along now! I've figured it all out with my Super-Logic, crop circles are made by the military!"

Yes, we all know it's a common misperception that spirits exist, right, "masonfree?" It's ridiculous to think that souls are real, right? I guess that ball of light I saw at the Howell, Michigan crop formation in 2003, plus the hundreds of beautiful synchronicities in my life that began when I got involved with crop circles, had to be the military instead... *sigh* and I thought I was so close to finding something spiritual in crop circles. Thanks for saving me with your Super-Logic "masonfreeparty," I'll be a good boy from now on and I'll stop thinking about crop circles.

Crop circles have been reported and studied by white men since the 1600s, where references to crop circles begin showing up in newspapers and science journals. However, the phenomenon is apparently much older than that: some Native American legends contain obvious references to crop circles, and also refer to them as sacred places.

People, the elite are terrified of crop circles, because they are the work of our ancestors' spirits, giving us the missing information needed to bring down the New World Order that only a spirit who has crossed over could know.

Crop circles are giving us the map of the Earth's ley line grid, which is one of the New World Order's biggest hidden keys to power. By giving the map to the masses, the circlemakers are thus taking power away from the elite methodically, and handing that power over the people.

Also, crop circles have been consistently pointing us to sacred sites such as Indian Mounds and stone circles for a reason: it is at the intersections of ley lines where one can most easily contact spirits on "the other side," which is why the sacred sites were built there in the first place. Many crop circle researchers such as myself are into the theory that many sacred sites were actually built on top of crop circles and modeled after their designs, which does make alot of sense when you look at all the facts.

People, let's get out of this viper pit of a thread and raise the level of discussion, for I introduced myself on this forum yesterday with a new thread containing my grand announcement, which I can back up with hard data. The thread is titled "The ICCRA has cracked the crop circle code." Here's the link:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

At the 5th Annual meeting of the ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association) on May 9-11, 2008, a beautiful thing happened: a majority of attendees, including the core members of the ICCRA, organically converged into a mutual understanding of the answers behind three of the major questions behind the crop circle phenomenon, namely, 1)Who is making them, 2)Why they are making them, and 3)What they are trying to tell us. At the conference, I gave a 1 1/2 hour presentation on my decoding of several elements of crop circle language, and my perspective on how the crop circle phenomenon fits into the harsh realities of the New World Order as explained by David Icke.

Yes people, we've cracked the main crop circle code, and it's just detail work (decoding individual crop formations with the core language we've established) from here on out.

Read my announcement at the thread I started on this forum; after that, please read my essay "The Howell Crop Circles and The Illuminati," which was the basis for my presentation at the ICCRA conference, and which is the length of a full-length book when the hyperlinks I use for backup information are included in the "reading time." (Note to readers: I ask no one to "believe me" unless they have checked out all the evidence I have laid forth to back up my theories, and THEN made the decision with their own mind on whether or not my theories make sense.)

The proof is in the pudding; check it out and think for yourselves, people.

Rather than provide a link to my essay, I'll provide a link to the thread I started on this forum yesterday, as it is a crucial update of my perspective since I returned from the ICCRA conference; the link to my essay is then provided from there, but I want everyone to read the content of my announcement first.

Here's the link to my new thread again:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26861

The Thunderbird Wheel has been activated.

Happy decoding.

Jim Prange
Member, ICCRA (Independent Crop Circle Researchers Association)
616-745-4028

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=366259&postcount=184

[stelios]

Bollocks. Get back over to the Apollo thread and answer the questions put to you - we can argue about Apollo over there - this thread is about UFOs and crop circles. It is quite possible for me to think Apollo is real and crop circles are bollocks. Anyway, I still have to look through the stuff that was posted here before I draw a conclusion.

Check again, this thread is about NASA faking Mars photos the same way they faked Moon photos.

[shabun]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4558580438867695185&ei=dtM2SfCNOZLAqALg8YSeDg&q=crop+circle&hl=en&dur=3

Watch this and quit your yappin.

Thanks, I quit yapping and watched the video. I was not surprised to see that the first evidence presented was the famous "alien face" crop circle, which is man-made.

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface3.html

So no surprise - I simply ask everyone on this thread to post a single piece of evidence which proves aliens made crop circles, and I get back a fake one.

Case closed - there is no evidence at all that aliens made crop circles, nor did NASA kill anyone to cover up the "wood on Mars" photo, and the photo wasn't "leaked" either - NASA posted it in the first place.

Sad, but there you go.

[runciter]

there is no evidence at all that aliens made crop circles


and of course there is no evidence that all crop circle are man made.

[shabun]

Check again, this thread is about NASA faking Mars photos the same way they faked Moon photos.

No - its about NASA covering up the photo and trying to kill people who "leaked" it. Neither of which is true, although conspiracy theorists get all excited thinking about that. I can just see them all wanking onto their computer screens thinking about it.

We can discuss seperately whether they faked the photo in the first place - maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I personally think the photo is genuine because I see no reason for NASA to fake it.

[runciter]

Thanks, I quit yapping and watched the video. I was not surprised to see that the first evidence presented was the famous "alien face" crop circle, which is man-made.

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface3.html


"I have a few serious concerns about this formation, and I am convinced it's a man-made hoax."

[runciter]

No - its about NASA covering up the photo and trying to kill people who "leaked" it.

it's about a nasa photo that shows something similar to a piece of wood on mars.

[shabun]

and of course there is no evidence that all crop circle are man made.

There is plenty evidence that many crop circles were man made. For a start, the Dave and Doug guys who admitted to making a lot of them.

Even the alien face one used ASCII code ffs!

Anyway, if you want credibility, you have to provide evidence that aliens made the circles. That is not unreasonable to ask. But you don't have any.

[signs]

Signs,
Thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated.

But pasting a statement from someone who says he believes it is not evidence!

Please show me a specific crop circle - a specific one, somewhere in the world, that has been proven to be caused by aliens. Do that and I will look carefully at it. Please check beforehand that the crop circle in question has not been debunked.

Thanks.




This someone:eek:, you say was a very highly and respected clinical psychiatrist who found evidence in the form of non physical evidence but clearly found patterns and conclusions in the testimonies of people who have either been abducted/shown UFOs or taken on board UFOs by non human entities , in other words this highly intelligent and leader of his field came to this conclusion, THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT DREAMING,HALLUCINATING, SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, they were in fact according to him describing REAL EXPERIENCES, no matter how far fetched they seemed.So were did this leave the physical proof that people require to believe it?The above is another way of providing evidence and this kind of proof should be taken more seriously and fairly in the light of a lack of pure hard physical proof.Not all evidence NEEDS to be PHYSICAL in its analogy of proving certain anomalies.:)

[shabun]

it's about a nasa photo that shows something similar to a piece of wood on mars.

To save your emabarassment, heres the first sentence of the first post on this thread -

Someone at NASA released a photo that they shouldn’t have, a picture of a piece of timber the size of a railroad tie, a photo that could get someone killed.

Ooooh, conspiracy!! Unfortunately its total bollocks.

[shabun]

This someone:eek:, you say was a very highly and respected clinical psychiatrist who found evidence in the form of non physical evidence but clearly found patterns and conclusions in the testimonies of people who have either been abducted/shown UFOs or taken on board UFOs by non human entities , in other words this highly intelligent and leader of his field came to this conclusion, THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT DREAMING,HALLUCINATING, SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, they were in fact according to him describing REAL EXPERIENCES, no matter how far fetched they seemed.So were did this leave the physical proof that people require to believe it?The above is another way of providing evidence and this kind of proof should be taken more seriously and fairly in the light of a lack of pure hard physical proof.Not all evidence NEEDS to be PHYSICAL in its analogy of proving certain anomalies.:)

lol. Thought so - no evidence, just people "saying that its true". Anyway, next years crop circle in Winchester will be the "best ever" so I bet you lot can't wait to see it.

[runciter]

To save your emabarassment, heres the first sentence of the first post on this thread -

Someone at NASA released a photo that they shouldn’t have, a picture of a piece of timber the size of a railroad tie, a photo that could get someone killed.

Ooooh, conspiracy!! Unfortunately its total bollocks.

the picture exists, and it shows something similar to a piece of wood on mars.

[runciter]

lol. Thought so - no evidence, just people "saying that its true". Anyway, next years crop circle in Winchester will be the "best ever" so I bet you lot can't wait to see it.

shabun are you trying to suggest that all crop circles have been "debunked"?

[runciter]

no evidence, just people "saying that its true".


and other people saying that it's not true.

[marpat]

Why would nasa look for signs of life on mars if the deny it can exist there? are they not digging the soil and looking for microbes? it has long been suspected that water once ran on the surface and not they have found underground claciers.

As for the photo, could it not be a rock slab? until the material is analysed you cannot say it is wood. The marks near it look like a water course rather than drag marks.

Life may have existed there but if it was a populated planet I think we would have found out by now, especially if they had superior technology.

[chattanova]

Why are there never half-done abandoned circles? If they were made by plankers I'm sure they sometimes would do a mistake, this is extremely rare to occur and as far as I know only the Dave and Doug have leaved some messed up behind them.
There are also several circles that's far from any machine-trails and there's no footprints or destroyed crops near the formations, how can this be?

They would need machines that don't exist to do this..

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/4/f_hampshireenm_c7017e5.jpg

This occured in the middle of a night in a heavy rain storm

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/4/f_wilthshireem_6561491.jpg

more - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3699

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/12/4/f_1m_6df0322.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/4/f_2m_42fd6b1.jpg

[lordzoma]

Thanks, I quit yapping and watched the video. I was not surprised to see that the first evidence presented was the famous "alien face" crop circle, which is man-made.

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface3.html

So no surprise - I simply ask everyone on this thread to post a single piece of evidence which proves aliens made crop circles, and I get back a fake one.

Case closed - there is no evidence at all that aliens made crop circles, nor did NASA kill anyone to cover up the "wood on Mars" photo, and the photo wasn't "leaked" either - NASA posted it in the first place.

Sad, but there you go.

Wow, you really debunked his two hour analysis of the encoded information in the crop circle by linking the opinions of 'Eltjo H. Haselhoff.'

Because his opinions mean something.

[dankai]

Thanks for posting. I looked at the video but I have to say that I asked to see a crop circle that has been proven to be done by aliens. Where is the evidence that aliens made the ones you posted?
I suppose you have to accept that all crop circles are, by default, done by an alien presence until otherwise debunked.

[dankai]

where is the evidence that all crop circles are man-made?
Nice.

[shabun]

I suppose you have to accept that all crop circles are, by default, done by an alien presence until otherwise debunked.

Wrong way round - you should assume they are man-made unless you can show they were done by aliens. You just want to believe so much you cannot accept that the crop circles could be man-made, despite there even being websites giving instructions how to make them. I suppose you believe that the aliens are reading the web pages to learn how to make crop circles. I guess they have wireless routers in their UFOs - I hope they are paying the ISP provider.

[runciter]

Wrong way round - you should assume they are man-made unless you can show they were done by aliens.


you should say that you don't know who/what made them, unless you're a mason.

[signs]

26-Sep-2002
The Face in the Fields

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U.K. Cropcircle investigator Lucy Pringle, who creates our beautiful crop circle calendars and postcards, talks about her research of the “Face” and “Computer Disk” crop circle, which was the most controversial circle of the recent season. She writes:

It all started late on Thursday evening when I received an email sent at 8pm, August 15th, alerting me to the fact there was a formation in a field east of Winchester just off Sarum Road. The man told me had entered the formation and had judged it to be about 300 feet in length. I immediately researcher Paul Vigay click here who put the location up on his website. The farm where the circle appeared is owned by Mike Burge, who graciously allowed entry to this formation and agreed to keep it unharvested. The formation was located at Crabwood, 8 ½ miles from Chilbolton, where the famous Arecibo message and Face appeared beneath the radio telescope in August 2001.

Like many places in England, the history of Crabbewood (Crabapple Wood) dates back to Roman times and before. There is evidence of occupation dating back to between 12,000-550BC and 100AD. Part of the Roman road, Sarum Road, runs alongside the field that contained the “Alien” formation. Old Sarum lies high above Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire overlooking the ancient city of Salisbury. It is an huge hill fort, originally named Sorviadum (the fortress by the gentle river) by the Celts. It was later occupied by the Romans, and in Saxon times a town grew up within the prehistoric ramparts, that defended the local people against attack from the marauding Vikings. The settlement consisted of a castle, palace and cathedral all built inside the earthwork. Winchester was the capital of England from 495 to 1068AD. Its history is also linked to the celebrated King Arthur and his knights.

On Friday, August 16th, a woman telephoned the Ocean FM radio station to report a crop formation that was clearly visible from Sarum Road. This was broadcast at 9am. I made a close examination and spoke to the farmer, Mike Burge and we agreed that this field couldn’t be seen from any road. It is completely hidden and lies beneath the radio towers at Crabwood.

It has since transpired that a woman riding her horse along the top of the field below the radio towers saw the formation and telephoned the radio station. Traffic reporter Pippa Head, while flying over her area, was notified of this formation by a link from the radio station to her single engine Piper Warrior aircraft and was asked to investigate. She confirmed that this formation was present and sent back a report. She was the first person to see the formation from the air.

Mary Hill, who lives in one of the farmhouses beyond the bottom of the field, reported that either a helicopter or generator was heard making a loud noise in or above the field between 12:30 and 1:30am on the morning of Thursday, August 15th. She had gone to bed about midnight and was about to go to sleep, when she heard a throbbing sound which came closer and closer and then appeared to hover, the noise continuing in-between 10-20 minutes. (Note: This is a commonly described sound of UFOs, except when they’re silent—which is most of the time).

Stephen Short was in the field on the night of August 21st and fell into conversation with 3 young middle-aged women who were staying at the campsite the other side of the radio towers. They reported that during the night of Thursday August 15th, they had witnessed an amazing display of dancing lights over the field which kept darting about, spiraling down to the ground and then back up again; then going round in circles, then down and coming back up again before disappearing like a shooting star.

On Sunday, August 25th, I got a telephone call from Marie Wakelam whose house borders the Crabwood field. She had just returned from visiting the formation and had fallen into conversation with a family who had shown her stalks of wheat taken from inside the formation that were slightly singed and blackened. Marie thought this was curious as at about 11-11.30pm on the evening of Thursday, August 15th, she had been surprised to smell a strong smell of burning, like a bonfire coming from the field.

I flew over the field on Friday, August 16th, and neither the pilot nor I could work out the meaning of the formation— there appeared to be no coherent shape that we could decipher. But having flown over the face at Chilbolton last year, I said to the pilot that we would just have to do the best we could and hope that something intelligible would come out of the roll of film. Geoff Knight rushed through the development and printing of the film and this, much to my amazement, is what we saw, click here and scroll down and click here and scroll down.

Mike Burge kindly opened the field to all those who wished to visit it. On Saturday, August 17th, two friends accompanied me and as we entered the formation at the top of the “head,” we all felt dizzy and our heads were throbbing. We hastily moved away from that position and the sensations diminished until by the bottom of the formation, they had disappeared completely. This could be due to the frequencies given off by the radio tower and indeed while filming one day with a Mexican team, the pulsing noise was so great in the headphones we had to move to the bottom of the formation away from the towers before recording became possible.

The lay in the "Alien" was one I had seen only once before, in the Chilbolton "Face" of 2001; it seemed as though the flattened, swirled crop around each standing tuft had been laid individually—a task that would surely be beyond the ability of man during the short hours of darkness at this time of year. None of the stalks were broken in either formation; they were bent at the base. Whether the origin of the formation is of man or of a complex energy as yet unknown to man, it is most impressive in every respect. It would appear that, if man-made, a technology was used that is unknown to all but a few selected people.

In the photographs, the formation appears in the positive, while previously, apart from the 2001 Chilboton event, the large majority of events have been in the negative (i.e. in this instance, the standing crop has determined the pattern rather than the fallen crop). It is the subtle shadowing of the standing wheat that creates the image of the face. Another similar aspect is that the meaning of this formation is completely unambiguous. It is the face of an extraterrestrial, no more, no less; there is no other possible interpretation.

One noticeable aspect of the disk was that there was no evidence of a single seed head missing from any of the standing clumps of wheat inside the circular shape. In order to construct a circle, it is likely that a person would stand at a central point holding a rope and his accomplice would hold the other end of the rope while walking around the perimeter of the circle. In ripened crop, when the seed heads are heavy and hanging down against the stem, they are very fragile and any movement of a tightened rope stretching across the standing wheat will catch against the seed heads, flicking them off as it passes. I examined the circular dish minutely and did not find a single wheat stalk with a missing head.

On Tuesday, August 20th, I returned to the field to interview Mike Burge and the tractor driver Sid Colles. Sid Colles told me that on Wednesday, August 14, at 1pm, he had gone into top of the field where the head of the alien was and he saw the edge of the frame and a few of the grid lines going across.

Tuesday, August 20 was the first time he had been back to the field since Wednesday, August 14. I asked him to retrace his steps of the previous week exactly and when he entered the top of the formation, he was amazed to see a large flattened area to his right that had not been there on his first visit. He then continued to walk down the right hand side as he done before and once again was amazed to see a complex circle where originally the line had stopped. He assured me that he could not possibly have missed seeing the additional elements of the formation if they had been there on his first visit. Both he and the farmer are of the opinion that this enormous and complex design, measuring some 300 feet x 200 feet,;) could not have been made overnight but both are still skeptical about the origins of the formation.

It would appear that the tufts of standing crop inside the circular element (the “computer disk”) are not random. Binary is the language used by NASA when trying to communicate with other intelligences; it is also the basic language used by computers. In order to convert binary into our alphabet, a code called the ASC11 set was developed by the ANSI (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) in the 1960's.

Paul Vigay and Eltjo Haselhoff, author of “The Deepening Complexity of Crop Circles,”click here have found that the circular dish contains a code that consists of binary. By using the ASC11 character set which consist of 128 characters and translating the binary digits and sequences into their decimal equivalent and then looking up them up in the ASC11 character set in order to see which letters they correspond to, they arrived at the following decoding: "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged word). There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)."

When trying to communicate with external intelligences, we have always used universal symbols such as were encoded into the Arecebo message, giving such basic information as the numbers 1-10, the atomic numbers needed for life on earth, such as Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Oxygen. The message also included our DNA structure, the population on planet Earth in 1974 and our solar system. Paul suggests that if this formation is genuine, we could be dealing with an intelligence far more advanced than previously imagined; an intelligence which is able to bypass universal symbols and interact directly, using our language. In contrast to this possibly advanced level of interaction with our planet, I am disappointed in the content of the message which does not seem to me to be commensurate with a higher intellect.

One question is: is there an interactive process occurring between the circle making force and the microwave frequencies given off by the radio towers that plays a vital part in the formation of these images? Also, in all the photographs, the “Alien” appears to be of a sinister appearance and if man made one wonders why it was depicted in this mode. Over the years the “powers that be” have not, despite all their efforts, succeeded in their quest to destroy the appeal of this phenomenon by ridicule or by producing trumped-up people, such as Doug and Dave. Maybe to plant fear in the minds of people could be their new line of disinformation?

The media interest in the Crabwood formation has been intense and extraordinary. People have traveled from all ends of the earth to visit this formation. Many of us have been interviewed by TV producers from the BBC, Mexico, America and Slovenia. Jaimie Maussan from Mexico traveled 5,000 miles to see the formation in person. Investigators from Germany, France, Switzerland, Spain and many other European countries were among the throngs of fascinated people crowding into this event.

To access Lucy Pringle's website, click here.

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Now independent witnesses, odd lights in the sky, strange noises,food for thought there.:cool:

[shabun]

you should say that you don't know who/what made them, unless you're a mason.

Indeed I don't know what made them, and I'm not a mason. What I do know is that they were not made by aliens in UFOs. Still waiting on a single shred of evidence that aliens made them, not a youtube video of some "scientist" saying so. Are you sure it wasn't mice?

[runciter]

Indeed I don't know what made them, and I'm not a mason. What I do know is that they were not made by aliens in UFOs. Still waiting on a single shred of evidence that aliens made them, not a youtube video of some "scientist" saying so. Are you sure it wasn't mice?

i think many of them are made by non-human intelligences we still don't comprehend.

[signs]

lol. Thought so - no evidence, just people "saying that its true". Anyway, next years crop circle in Winchester will be the "best ever" so I bet you lot can't wait to see it.

Do you know what i was trying to say:rolleyes:, yes no evidence , well the hard physical evidence that is but there is another form of evidence that i have already talked about in my OP.Why do you dismiss this evidence based on testimonies from sane people by Dr John Mack, again evidence does not have to come in purely physical form all the time, why do you fail to see that:confused:Put it this way if i was to believe you or a highly respectable clinical psychiatrist sitting in a court of law putting their case forward for UFO/UNKNOWN ENTITIES i think i you know who i would believe.Your demands for hard physical evidence is understandable but never the less there have been cases of unexplained objects and lights above fields were formations have been found the next day.

[signs]

Indeed I don't know what made them, and I'm not a mason. What I do know is that they were not made by aliens in UFOs. Still waiting on a single shred of evidence that aliens made them, not a youtube video of some "scientist" saying so. Are you sure it wasn't mice?

Read the hundreds of books on crop formations , look really deep and the head will say no but the hearts will say why not.:D

[shabun]

i think many of them are made by non-human intelligences we still don't comprehend.

You really mean mice?

[stelios]

I personally think the photo is genuine because I see no reason for NASA to fake it.
How can it be not fake?
If you think there are sawn timber beams lying on the surface of Mars then you really are way beyond redemption.

ps: some unexplained crop circles are made by MASERs special kind of lasers used to cut intricate shapes and patterns. A maser can be mounted on a helicopter. Think of it like a disco laser making intricate patterns but cutting the wheat.
A Maser can also be mounted on satelites.
Where it would be powered by solar cells cutting whatever pattern you wanted.
95% of crop circles are made by groups of countryside people after having a few jars.

[shabun]

How can it be not fake?
If you think there are sawn timber beams lying on the surface of Mars then you really are way beyond redemption.

ps: some unexplained crop circles are made by MASERs special kind of lasers used to cut intricate shapes and patterns. A maser can be mounted on a helicopter. Think of it like a disco laser making intricate patterns but cutting the wheat.
A Maser can also be mounted on satelites.
Where it would be powered by solar cells cutting whatever pattern you wanted.
95% of crop circles are made by groups of countryside people after having a few jars.

Stelios - I didn't say it was wood!!!! It could be anything. I don't care what it is. Its the clowns on this site who say it is wood, not me, ffs.

[runciter]

You really mean mice?

i mean some kind of disincarnated intelligence that is trying to help us.

[runciter]

Stelios - I didn't say it was wood!!!! It could be anything. I don't care what it is. Its the clowns on this site who say it is wood, not me, ffs.

you don't care about the truth, and you can't accept non-mainstream views.

[tracker]

i mean some kind of disincarnated intelligence that is trying to help us.

i got this from an alien trying to help us , try this link .


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sorry...rs-99090.shtml

[runciter]

i got this from an alien trying to help us , try this link .


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sorry...rs-99090.shtml

the link doesn't work, but i'm sure you're being sarcastic.

[tracker]

the link doesn't work, but i'm sure you're being sarcastic.

well read the other thread i made the link works on that one .

its not wood thats for sure , but it cannot be natural rock formation as nature does not produce straight lines .

it isnt natural thats for sure , but it isnt wood .

too many stright lines on that pic to insist its natural , but too many factors to scientificly explain why it cant be wood .

its not natural and thats for sure though .:cool:

[runciter]

well read the other thread i made the link works on that one .

its not wood thats for sure , but it cannot be natural rock formation as nature does not produce straight lines .

it isnt natural thats for sure , but it isnt wood .

too many stright lines on that pic to insist its natural , but too many factors to scientificly explain why it cant be wood .

its not natural and thats for sure though .:cool:

i agree with you, it doesn't look natural..

[omegasol]

you don't care about the truth, and you can't accept non-mainstream views.

every single stupid little theory you hear about on the internet is "the truth", and all those questioning your beliefs are sheep manipulated by the mass-media?! is that what you are saying? this must be a joke.

[runciter]

every single stupid little theory you hear about on the internet is "the truth", and all those questioning your beliefs are sheep manipulated by the mass-media?! is that what you are saying? this must be a joke.

don't care about the truth:

"It could be anything. I don't care what it is."

can't accept non-mainstream views:

"Its the clowns on this site who say it is wood, not me, ffs."

[runciter]

another enlightened statement:

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.

[runciter]

This occured in the middle of a night in a heavy rain storm

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/4/f_wilthshireem_6561491.jpg

more - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3699


this is my all-time favorite :cool:

[shabun]

don't care about the truth:

"It could be anything. I don't care what it is."

can't accept non-mainstream views:

"Its the clowns on this site who say it is wood, not me, ffs."

Wrong again, silly girl. I strongly believe that 911 was an inside job. So post evidence that any crop circle was made by aliens. Come on! You can do it can't you?

[shabun]

this is my all-time favorite :cool:

wooooh. A mandelbrot set! How alien. Not.

I heard next year the aliens are going to do a crop circle picture of England winning the World Cup in 1966. I bet you can't wait.

[runciter]

Wrong again, silly girl. I strongly believe that 911 was an inside job. So post evidence that any crop circle was made by aliens. Come on! You can do it can't you?

9/11 was a zionist job, and you can't prove that crop circles are man made.

[runciter]

wooooh. A mandelbrot set! How alien. Not.

I heard next year the aliens are going to do a crop circle picture of England winning the World Cup in 1966. I bet you can't wait.

so you believe that "aliens" don't exist, but you know how they communicate.

[shabun]

9/11 was a zionist job, and you can't prove that crop circles are man made.

Its up to you to prove they were made by aliens. There is plenty evidence that they were made by man: "how to make crop circle" websites should maybe give you a clue, unless you are a complete basket-case.

[runciter]

Its up to you to prove they were made by aliens. There is plenty evidence that they were made by man: "how to make crop circle" websites should maybe give you a clue, unless you are a complete basket-case.

are you saying that you can prove that all crop circles are man made hoaxes?

[shabun]

are you saying that you can prove that all crop circles are man made hoaxes?

No - but as you can't read, I am saying that its up to you to provide evidence they were made by aliens. So come on then, just a teensy-weensy bit of evidence? Come on! Just a single iota of evidence that they were made by aliens please. If you can't even provide any evidence, let alone proof, then we have no choice to conclude that they were made by men.

Come on - evidence please, just a little bit.

[runciter]

No - but as you can't read, I am saying that its up to you to provide evidence they were made by aliens. So come on then, just a teensy-weensy bit of evidence? Come on! Just a single iota of evidence that they were made by aliens please. If you can't even provide any evidence, let alone proof, then we have no choice to conclude that they were made by men.

Come on - evidence please, just a little bit.

genuine crop circles can't be made by man using known technologies.

[shabun]

genuine crop circles can't be made by man using known technologies.

Wrong! Take a few minutes to look at some of the crop circle websites and you can see how they do it. Its not just wire and pieces of wood. They put the photo into a laptop and can then digitalise the picture into a GPS signal. Then they can draw excellent reproductions at any size they want using the GPS kit. Its quite possible. Your favourite one of the Mandelbrot circles is a very common geometric pattern and would be easy to reproduce.

[runciter]

Wrong!

you are ignoring honest researchers and giving credit only to "debunkers".

[shabun]

you are ignoring honest researchers and giving credit only to "debunkers".

I am not ignoring honest researchers. Quite the opposite. I am asking you to provide some of the evidence these "honest researchers" have. Please! You can wriggle and dodge if you want but you will just look more desperate.

So - evidence (just a smidgen) please, or look like a buffoon.

[runciter]

I am not ignoring honest researchers. Quite the opposite. I am asking you to provide some of the evidence these "honest researchers" have. Please! You can wriggle and dodge if you want but you will just look more desperate.

So - evidence (just a smidgen) please, or look like a buffoon.

i'm not desperate, i don't need to use words like clown or buffoon..

i'm not saying that you need help for having a different point of view.

you are deliberately ignoring all information that threatens your dogma.

[shabun]

i'm not desperate, i don't need to use words like clown or buffoon..

i'm not saying that you need help for having a different point of view.

you are deliberately ignoring all information that threatens your dogma.

Fair enough, buffoon it is.

[runciter]

Fair enough, buffoon it is.

don't blame me for the faults of your logic.

[shabun]

don't blame me for the faults of your logic.

rofl Good luck with the anal-probing.

[runciter]

rofl Good luck with the anal-probing.

you can't prove that they are man made, your personal attacks won't change this.

[marpat]

i mean some kind of disincarnated intelligence that is trying to help us.

And cant this intelligence just write a message in the crops, or maybe actually talk to somebody? if they were that intelligent I think they would have worked out how to bridge the communication gap without having to rely on speculative interpretations.

[marpat]

genuine crop circles can't be made by man using known technologies.


Actually it has been demonstrated on TV but if this upsets your programmed belief system then feel free to disregard.

[runciter]

Actually it has been demonstrated on TV but if this upsets your programmed belief system then feel free to disregard.

they have demonstrated that arabs made 9/11 and the great pyramid was built by cheops.

[runciter]

And cant this intelligence just write a message in the crops, or maybe actually talk to somebody? if they were that intelligent I think they would have worked out how to bridge the communication gap without having to rely on speculative interpretations.

the message is: you can believe in the existence of non physical benevolent forces.

[shabun]

the message is: you can believe in the existence of non physical benevolent forces.


rofl. If they are that benevolent can't they spend their time more productively, instead of making nice crop circles and anal-probing fantasists?

[runciter]

rofl. If they are that benevolent can't they spend their time more productively, instead of making nice crop circles and anal-probing fantasists?

they don't exist but you pretend to understand them, i love your logic.

[shabun]

they don't exist but you pretend to understand them, i love your logic.

rofl. Anal probes all round!!!!

[runciter]

rofl. Anal probes all round!!!!

the message is "you can believe", the choice is yours.

[chattanova]

Hey shabun :) You forgot to debunk my post.
Remember you skeptics are the minority these days http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20081124/sc_livescience/peoplesaidtobelieveinaliensandghostsmorethangod
... you are all a bunch of fruitcakes ;)

Why are there never half-done abandoned circles? If they were made by plankers I'm sure they sometimes would do a mistake, this is extremely rare to occur and as far as I know only the Dave and Doug have leaved some messed up behind them.
There are also several circles that's far from any machine-trails and there's no footprints or destroyed crops near the formations, how can this be?

They would need machines that don't exist to do this..

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/4/f_hampshireenm_c7017e5.jpg

This occured in the middle of a night in a heavy rain storm

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/4/f_wilthshireem_6561491.jpg

more - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3699

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/12/4/f_1m_6df0322.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/4/f_2m_42fd6b1.jpg

[endlessvista]

It is true that mainly thanks to the internet scientists can long say this is fact and have the public take it at face value. They get caught lying and talking arse constantly now. They never thought the day would come when ordinary people would start doing their own research.

[signs]

Actually it has been demonstrated on TV but if this upsets your programmed belief system then feel free to disregard.

And did those ones that were shown on tv, display the following anomalies;

Crop stem did not break in the act or after the crop was bent?
Traces of high micro waves or high heat residue found on crop?
Traces of anomalies found in soil samples taken from inside crop formations?
Highly complex and very big formations formed in fields over night that were formed in fields with NO tram lines?

Sorry if that upsets your programmed belief system then feel free to disregard.:cool:

[signs]

rofl. If they are that benevolent can't they spend their time more productively, instead of making nice crop circles and anal-probing fantasists?

This is the the sound of ignorance, you go and sit in a group of people who have had anal-probing happen to them in their abduction experiences and try to share that joke with them;).The anal-probing has had many myths why it is done on abductees , one is that it could be for a foetus sample ,checking for diet or the general health of the abductee), did you even give that a second thought or even read up on it:rolleyes:.You say nice crop circles , they are in fact breathtaking in some of their highly complex designs but i doubt if you can see or notice that:confused:We come into this study NOT to judge but to try to understand WHY these formations are happening , who is to say WHY they are making nice:rolleyes: formations, maybe because they want to, is that a case for dismissing the whole formation mystery:confused:And what would you know of their productively, go and ask or read up on abductees accounts with them and you will see a whole new productively pattern there.

[chattanova]

Proof for Unidentified Flying Objects:

If this is not proof either what do you define as proof/evidence?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ_IPb6Y

CIA agent R. Cotner's deathbed confession reveals startling information about his involvement in CIA and NSA extraterrestrial projects:

Read the full article by Ed Komarek
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05/11/04 - Associated Press

MEXICO CITY - Mexican Air Force pilots filmed 11 unidentified flying objects in the skies over southern Campeche state, a Defense Department spokesman confirmed Tuesday.

A videotape made widely available to the news media on Tuesday shows the bright objects, some sharp points of light and others like large headlights, moving rapidly in what appears to be a late-evening sky.

The lights were filmed on March 5 by pilots using infrared equipment. They appeared to be flying at an altitude of about 3,500 meters (11,480 feet), and allegedly surrounded the Air Force jet as it conducted routine anti-drug trafficking vigilance in Campeche. Only three of the objects showed up on the plane's radar.

'Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before,' said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a taped interview made public Tuesday.

'I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real,' added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator. Vazquez insisted that there was no way to alter the recorded images.

The plane's captain, Maj. Magdaleno Castanon, said the military jets chased the lights 'and I believe they could feel we were pursuing them.'

When the jets stopped following the objects, they disappeared, he said.

A Defense Department spokesman confirmed Tuesday that the videotape was filmed by members of the Mexican Air Force. The spokesman declined to comment further and spoke on customary condition of anonymity.

The video was first aired on national television Monday night then again at a news conference Tuesday by Jaime Maussan, a Mexican investigator who has dedicated the past 10 years to studying UFOs.

'This is historic news,' Maussan told reporters. 'Hundreds of videos (of UFOs) exist, but none had the backing of the armed forces of any country. ... The armed forces don't perpetuate frauds.'

Maussan said Secretary of Defense Gen. Ricardo Vega Garcia gave him the video on April 22. --

[marpat]

they have demonstrated that arabs made 9/11 and the great pyramid was built by cheops.

But it was done for the camera. Your statement just goes to prove that you are not willing to question information but prefer just to believe in it without question. You are a slave to belief.

[marpat]

And did those ones that were shown on tv, display the following anomalies;

Crop stem did not break in the act or after the crop was bent?
Traces of high micro waves or high heat residue found on crop?
Traces of anomalies found in soil samples taken from inside crop formations?
Highly complex and very big formations formed in fields over night that were formed in fields with NO tram lines?

Sorry if that upsets your programmed belief system then feel free to disregard.:cool:

Never said they were all the same though. I still keep an open mind on the subject but that does not mean believing everything people come up with. If it was proven that it was an ET message then I would be happy to accept that. Until then you are in the realm of belief.

My question is if somebody is trying to communicate why do it in the middle of crops in the middle of nowhere. Why not right next to where people live in an obvious message?

[marpat]

the message is: you can believe in the existence of non physical benevolent forces.

I have no doubt that such things exist.

[marpat]

the message is "you can believe", the choice is yours.


Things is that belief is such a sketchy subject and tends to shy away from proof. If a person has contact with such forces then it is out of knowledge not belief. People believe when they are told something that they do not know themselves.

[runciter]

But it was done for the camera. Your statement just goes to prove that you are not willing to question information but prefer just to believe in it without question. You are a slave to belief.

i know that genuine crop formations can't be made using known techonologies.

[runciter]

Things is that belief is such a sketchy subject and tends to shy away from proof. If a person has contact with such forces then it is out of knowledge not belief. People believe when they are told something that they do not know themselves.

you can believe in their existence if you know about the signs of their presence.

[shabun]

Proof for Unidentified Flying Objects:

If this is not proof either what do you define as proof/evidence?


Quite simple - video shows lights. There is no evidence that these lights are from an alien spacehip. Can you see aliens on the video? No. The lights could easily be on the ground - there is no evidence that they are in the sky, in fact given the clouds in the way it could easily be a ground shot taken from the air. The two lights together could be car headlights filmed from a distance with high zoom.

[shabun]

This is the the sound of ignorance, you go and sit in a group of people who have had anal-probing happen to them in their abduction experiences and try to share that joke with them;).The anal-probing has had many myths why it is done on abductees , one is that it could be for a foetus sample ,checking for diet or the general health of the abductee), did you even give that a second thought or even read up on it:rolleyes:.You say nice crop circles , they are in fact breathtaking in some of their highly complex designs but i doubt if you can see or notice that:confused:We come into this study NOT to judge but to try to understand WHY these formations are happening , who is to say WHY they are making nice:rolleyes: formations, maybe because they want to, is that a case for dismissing the whole formation mystery:confused:And what would you know of their productively, go and ask or read up on abductees accounts with them and you will see a whole new productively pattern there.

Well I just think that these aliens are a bit daft. If they were benevolent then they could fly to Africa and save some starving children or paint a hospital or something. But what do they do? They whizz around making crop circles, and to round it off they abduct weak-minded people and stick their fingers up their arses. Doesn't sound benevolent to me.

[runciter]

Quite simple - video shows lights. There is no evidence that these lights are from an alien spacehip. Can you see aliens on the video? No. The lights could easily be on the ground - there is no evidence that they are in the sky, in fact given the clouds in the way it could easily be a ground shot taken from the air. The two lights together could be car headlights filmed from a distance with high zoom.

ok you think that ufos don't exist, despite the huge amount of evidence.

[runciter]

Well I just think that these aliens are a bit daft. If they were benevolent then they could fly to Africa and save some starving children or paint a hospital or something. But what do they do? They whizz around making crop circles, and to round it off they abduct weak-minded people and stick their fingers up their arses. Doesn't sound benevolent to me.

you're asking some non-existent entities to do what you aren't able to do.

[shabun]

ok you think that ufos don't exist, despite the huge amount of evidence.

doh. You really are a thicko. Show me this evidence of aliens. Not picture sof lights in the sky. Aliens. You know, aliens.

Thats not too difficult for you is it?

Don't forget to post back some inane comment.

[shabun]

you're asking some non-existent entities to do what you aren't able to do.

Its obvious you have been anal-probed too much.

[runciter]

doh. You really are a thicko. Show me this evidence of aliens. Not picture sof lights in the sky. Aliens. You know, aliens.

Thats not too difficult for you is it?

Don't forget to post back some inane comment.

do you think ufos are real or not? do you prefer to ignore all the evidence?

[runciter]

Its obvious you have been anal-probed too much.

there must be an explanation for your obsession with this kind of explorations.

[shabun]

do you think ufos are real or not? do you prefer to ignore all the evidence?

I dont ignore any evidence. You have not provided any for me to ignore. I repeat - post evidence of aliens. Aliens please. Evidence please. You said there is some so please post it. Come on - post it. I'm waiting.

[runciter]

I dont ignore any evidence. You have not provided any for me to ignore. I repeat - post evidence of aliens. Aliens please. Evidence please. You said there is some so please post it. Come on - post it. I'm waiting.

aliens? i'm speaking about ufos, and i don't know what you mean with "aliens".

[shabun]

aliens? i'm speaking about ufos, and i don't know what you mean with "aliens".

I mean creatures/entities from another planet - that would seem to be a bit obvious, but not to you. Now get on with the evidence posting please.

[runciter]

I mean creatures/entities from another planet - that would seem to be a bit obvious, but not to you. Now get on with the evidence posting please.

they must be from another planet? what other characteristics should they have?

[krakhead]

OK guys calm down. I think it's been made clear that when discussing UFO's there isn't always the automatic assumption that aliens are involved.

[shabun]

they must be from another planet? what other characteristics should they have?

Evidence please. No more dodging.

[runciter]

Evidence please. No more dodging.

feel free to ignore krakhead's post, like you did with chatta's and signs' arguments.

[shabun]

feel free to ignore krakhead's post, like you did with chatta's and signs' arguments.

lol

I have ignored nobodys posts - all I have done is repeatedly asked anyone to provide evidence that crop circles were made by aliens. In response I got a couple of posts referring to the "alien face" crop circle for which there is no evidence at all that it was made by aliens (in fact there is evidence that it was not).

You on the other hand have just drivelled on accusing me of "ignoring evidence", which is ironic as you have not posted any evidence for me to ignore.

Anyway, I think this thread is long enough now. As the OP stated, the "Wood on Mars" photo was "leaked" by a NASA staff member who has now been murdered by a NASA death-squad despite the fact that the photo actually was published by NASA and is still on their website. That is what you want to hear isn't it?.

The crop circles were made by benevolent alien entities who, rather than saving lives or putting roofs on churches, prefer to make zoom around at night in their spaceships making nice patterns in corn fields and anal-probing hillbillies.

Let the masturbation continue.

[runciter]

I have ignored nobodys posts - all I have done is repeatedly asked anyone to provide evidence that crop circles were made by aliens.

ok, you ignored it.

[shabun]

ok, you ignored it.

Nope. Read it, and requested evidence for aliens making crop circles, again. Didn't ignore it at all. You are quite the thickest person on this forum (or a good Troll).

Got any evidence yet?

Have you?

Can I see it please?

Pleeeeease?

Or are you a Troll?

Or someone who has been anal-probed on too many times?

[runciter]

Nope. Read it, and requested evidence for aliens making crop circles, again. Didn't ignore it at all. You are quite the thickest person on this forum (or a good Troll).

Got any evidence yet?

Have you?

Can I see it please?

Pleeeeease?

Or are you a Troll?

Or someone who has been anal-probed on too many times?

they aren't man made, and there's no proof they are made by "aliens".

[shabun]

they aren't man made, and there's no proof they are made by "aliens".


lol. Thats your evidence?

[runciter]

lol. Thats your evidence?

so you agree that they aren't man made?

[shabun]

so you agree that they aren't man made?

Regrettably No. Have you found that evidence yet? Is it under the sofa? Or perhaps in the fridge? Please provide it before tea-time.

[runciter]

Regrettably No. Have you found that evidence yet? Is it under the sofa? Or perhaps in the fridge? Please provide it before tea-time.

unfortunately you can't prove that they are man-made..

[shabun]

unfortunately you can't prove that they are man-made..

Still waiting for your evidence. You said there was plenty so lets see it. Or are you scared of the NASA death squads?

[runciter]

Still waiting for your evidence. You said there was plenty so lets see it. Or are you scared of the NASA death squads?

unfortunately you can't explain many ufos and crop circles, so you need to attack those who think they aren't hoaxes.

[shabun]

unfortunately you can't explain many ufos and crop circles, so you need to attack those who think they aren't hoaxes.

i.e. you. So evidence please.

[runciter]

i.e. you. So evidence please.

it is evident that they can't be all man-made, but you're still trying to suggest the opposite.

[shabun]

it is evident that they can't be all man-made, but you're still trying to suggest the opposite.

Is it evident? Is it? Really?

If it is evident then you wont mind posting the evidence which leads you to that conclusion.

Evidence please. The NASA death squads are waiting.

[runciter]

Is it evident? Is it? Really?

If it is evident then you wont mind posting the evidence which leads you to that conclusion.

Evidence please. The NASA death squads are waiting.

evidence that crop circles can't be man-made, using known technologies?

it has been already posted here, but you ignored it, maybe unintentionally.

[shabun]

evidence that crop circles can't be man-made, using known technologies?

it has been already posted here, but you ignored it, maybe unintentionally.

I ignored nothing. Whenever someone posted a video or a link I viewed it and posted back my comments. As your memory seems to be weak, the links that were posted all referred to the "alien face" crop circle. Now that is an interesting example, as there is no evidence at all that it was made by aliens, but plenty that it was man-made.

For example, the finding on the site of a "throwie" which is a battery controlled device used by grafitti artists. Explain that please. Also, the use of ASCII format to make the message - throwies are man-made and ASCII is a language developed here on earth to program computers.

So, it was man made, unless of course you can post evidence to contradict that.

Over to you.

[runciter]

I ignored nothing. Whenever someone posted a video or a link I viewed it and posted back my comments. As your memory seems to be weak, the links that were posted all referred to the "alien face" crop circle. Now that is an interesting example, as there is no evidence at all that it was made by aliens, but plenty that it was man-made.

For example, the finding on the site of a "throwie" which is a battery controlled device used by grafitti artists. Explain that please. Also, the use of ASCII format to make the message - throwies are man-made and ASCII is a language developed here on earth to program computers.

So, it was man made, unless of course you can post evidence to contradict that.

Over to you.

search this thread and you will find the answers, if you care about them.

[shabun]

search this thread and you will find the answers, if you care about them.

I have indeed searched the thread, and I found that the evidence shows all crop circles are man-made, but keep on with your masturbatory fantasies if it makes you feel better.

[element]

I have indeed searched the thread, and I found that the evidence shows all crop circles are man-made, but keep on with your masturbatory fantasies if it makes you feel better.

Ehhm maybe you should give evidence all crop circles are man-made..

[shabun]

Ehhm maybe you should give evidence all crop circles are man-made..

Not necessary. The guy said there is loads of evidence that they are made by aliens. I have repeatedly posted that if such evidence is posted I would change my view. But, surprise surprise, no evidence at all.

If you are going to make a stupid claim in a post then it is reasonable for me to ask to see evidence to support it, otherwise don't make the claim in the first place.

NASA "cover up" of the photo - no evidence, however there is clear evidence of the contrary (the photo was posted on NASAs own website and is still there to this day).

NASA killing people - no evidence
Crop circles made by aliens - no evidence

But again I request - post some evidence and I will review it with an open mind, but put garbage about me being "asleep" and you will just show how stupid you are.

[runciter]

I have indeed searched the thread, and I found that the evidence shows all crop circles are man-made

where is this evidence? i suspect it's only in your head..

there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made.

[shabun]

there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made.

Is there now? How about posting it then?

[runciter]

Is there now? How about posting it then?

it's about the characteristics of genuine crop formations, it has already been posted.

[runciter]

The guy said there is loads of evidence that they are made by aliens.


are you talking about me? where did i say something like that?


Crop circles made by aliens - no evidence


"all crop circles are man-made" - no evidence

[shabun]

are you talking about me? where did i say something like that?



Check out post 174, written by you -

Quote -

"there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made."

Unquote.

So you said there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made.

So please post the evidence then!

[tracker]

Check out post 174, written by you -

Quote -

"there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made."

Unquote.

So you said there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made.

So please post the evidence then!

shabun ? your waisting your time .

you cant convince those who make no sense that they make no sense .
youll get nothing in return but nonesense.
like forrest gump says

stupid is as stupid does .

[shabun]

shabun ? your waisting your time .

you cant convince those who make no sense that they make no sense .
youll get nothing in return but nonesense.
like forrest gump says

stupid is as stupid does .

I'm going for a world record thread length before the NASA death squads turn up.

[runciter]

Check out post 174, written by you -

Quote -

"there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made."

Unquote.


"The guy said there is loads of evidence that they are made by aliens."


So you said there is evidence that many of them can't be man-made.

So please post the evidence then!


what are the characteristics of genuine crop circles?

[runciter]

shabun ? your waisting your time .

you cant convince those who make no sense that they make no sense .
youll get nothing in return but nonesense.
like forrest gump says

stupid is as stupid does .

do you think they are all man-made? without using advanced technologies?

[runciter]

I'm going for a world record thread length before the NASA death squads turn up.

maybe you should try to prove your theory.. can you say how are they made?

[shabun]

maybe you should try to prove your theory.. can you say how are they made?

NASA make them, using mind-control to get the mice to make them.

[runciter]

NASA make them, using mind-control to get the mice to make them.

if it's nasa, they are using some secret technology, not mind-controlled mice.

[shabun]

if it's nasa, they are using some secret technology, not mind-controlled mice.

Prove that.


I think the mice option is most credible - the mice live in the fields anyway and they can chew the wheat stalks without being spotted.

[runciter]

Prove that.


I think the mice option is most credible - the mice live in the fields anyway and they can chew the wheat stalks without being spotted.

"the grain from genuine crop circles contains stretched nodes in fresh plants, and expulsion fissures at the nodes in dry plants- signs that the plants have been flash-heated and immediately cooled, which looks very similar to what results when you put plants in a microwave."

[shabun]

"the grain from genuine crop circles contains stretched nodes in fresh plants, and expulsion fissures at the nodes in dry plants- signs that the plants have been flash-heated and immediately cooled, which looks very similar to what results when you put plants in a microwave."

Thanks,
But we all know mice can be trained to perform various tasks. There is no reason why they can't be trained to operate microwave stem-cutters, which would be easily to operate. Mind-controlled mice (or voles) could easily do this I think.

[element]

Thanks,
But we all know mice can be trained to perform various tasks. There is no reason why they can't be trained to operate microwave stem-cutters, which would be easily to operate. Mind-controlled mice (or voles) could easily do this I think.

How did the mice heat the plants then..?

[runciter]

Thanks,
But we all know mice can be trained to perform various tasks. There is no reason why they can't be trained to operate microwave stem-cutters, which would be easily to operate. Mind-controlled mice (or voles) could easily do this I think.

how does it feel to be debunked?

[oddblock]

how does it feel to be debunked?

:D

[omegasol]

maybe you should try to prove your theory.. can you say how are they made?

it´s ridiculous to try to reverse the burden of proof. you´re the one saying, that crop cirlcles are made by aliens. you have to prove your theory. not the person who doubts your little theory.

[element]

it´s ridiculous to try to reverse the burden of proof. you´re the one saying, that crop cirlcles are made my aliens. you have to prove your theory. not the person who doubts your little theory.

Not ridiculous at all.
If I am A and you are B, and you want me to prove I am A, what's wrong with asking for proof that you are B?

[omegasol]

look, man A finds a crop cirlce, is confused and thinks "where the hell did these thingies come from? i have no idea!" then man B comes and says "those are alien made!".

why should man a prove that the theory of man b is wrong? don´t you think that A has to prove his theory? in science you always have to prove your theory, how could it be different???

[element]

look, man A finds a crop cirlce, is confused and thinks "where the hell did these thingies come from? i have no idea!" then man B comes and says "those are alien made!".

why should man a prove that the theory of man b is wrong? don´t you think that A has to prove his theory?

Hahah.
You just described A as the alien debunkers there..:D

[omegasol]

if a scientist has a theory, he has to prove it. that´s how it works in civilised societies. don´t tell me you never heard that.

[runciter]

it´s ridiculous to try to reverse the burden of proof. you´re the one saying, that crop cirlcles are made my aliens. you have to prove your theory. not the person who doubts your little theory.

genuine crop circles can't be man-made, unless you're implying that some advanced technologies are used, and i'm not saying that crop circles are made by aliens, while someone else was trying to convince everyone that they have been all proven to be man-made.

[omegasol]

let me say this first: i don´t know much about crop circles but all i can say is: interesting, sometimes awesome, but i doubt that aliens did them or that you need some super-advanced technology to create them.

runciter, would you please prove this first:

genuine crop circles can't be man-made..

[runciter]

runciter, would you please prove this first:


posted by signs in this same thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=650799&postcount=131

[omegasol]

posted by signs in this same thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=650799&postcount=131

so this proves for you that these "genuine" crop circles are not man made? wow

Crop stem did not break in the act or after the crop was bent?
Traces of high micro waves or high heat residue found on crop?
Traces of anomalies found in soil samples taken from inside crop formations?
Highly complex and very big formations formed in fields over night that were formed in fields with NO tram lines?

[runciter]

so this proves for you that these "genuine" crop circles are not man made? wow

please explain how they are made, and don't forget this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=654012&postcount=187

[omegasol]

please explain how they are made, and don't forget this:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=654012&postcount=187

i can´t explain how they were made. i have no idea. but that´s really not the point. your argument isn´t stronger just because i can´t tell you who made them and how they were made.

and still: i am waiting for something that proves, not your whole theory, but this one sentence:

genuine crop circles can't be man-made

this:

"the grain from genuine crop circles contains stretched nodes in fresh plants, and expulsion fissures at the nodes in dry plants- signs that the plants have been flash-heated and immediately cooled, which looks very similar to what results when you put plants in a microwave."

i work with microwaves almost every day, so no advanced technology here :p

[runciter]

your argument isn´t stronger just because i can´t tell you who made them and how they were made.


we don't know who or what made them, they can't be made by man without using secret technologies.

[runciter]

i work with microwaves almost every day, so no advanced technology here :p

do you know some technology that can account for all their characteristics?

[shabun]

how does it feel to be debunked?

I wouldn't know. Mice operated microwave beams can only be debunked if you can prove it didn't happen, which you can't do.

So undebunked.

[shabun]

it´s ridiculous to try to reverse the burden of proof. you´re the one saying, that crop cirlcles are made by aliens. you have to prove your theory. not the person who doubts your little theory.

Thanks for the word of reason. Unfortunately I think we both know that reason wont work on this forum.

[runciter]

I wouldn't know. Mice operated microwave beams can only be debunked if you can prove it didn't happen, which you can't do.

So undebunked.

undebunked if you explain how they can account for all mentioned characteristics.

[runciter]

Thanks for the word of reason. Unfortunately I think we both know that reason wont work on this forum.

maybe you can work together and offer us a coherent "man-made crop circles" explanation.

[shabun]

maybe you can work together and offer us a coherent "man-made crop circles" explanation.

I already posted it was mind-controlled mice with microwave guns, not men, which you can't debunk, therefore it must be true according to your logic.

[omegasol]

I already posted it was mind-controlled mice with microwave guns, not men, which you can't debunk, therefore it must be true according to your logic.

haha

[runciter]

I already posted it was mind-controlled mice with microwave guns, not men, which you can't debunk, therefore it must be true according to your logic.

are you speaking of known techniques for mind-control on mice, and existent microwave guns?

[runciter]

haha

he looks a bit confused.. my logic tells me that they remain an unexplained phenomenon.

[chattanova]

6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa.


http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/12/8/f_ufo6000m_ba7f6ea.jpg


Two cave paintings from Tanzania. Both are estimated to be up to 29,000 years old. The one on the left is located in Itolo and depicts several disc shaped objects. The other painting is from Kolo shows four entities surrounding a women. Notice also the entity looking down from inside some sort of box or object.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/8/f_ufotanzia1m_6d3ee3a.jpg http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/8/f_ufotanzia2m_1a37bfd.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

[lordzoma]

Crystal links information is too advanced for most of the people posting in this thread. It goes right over their vibration.

[shabun]

Crystal links information is too advanced for most of the people posting in this thread. It goes right over their vibration.

Indeed I a mere sheeple who simply asked for a bit of evidence to help my awakening.

Instead I got a load of drivel about the "Alien Face" crop circle and how NASA are killing their own staff for "leaking" pictures that mysteriously are on NASAs own website.

I guess I will have to stay asleep but I will continue to search for answers and take the piss out of the crop circle reptilian brigade.

Unless of course, someone can enlighten me - and that doesn't mean post YouTube videos by Mexican "scientists".

[lordzoma]

it's called research little one. You're here looking for external salvation like a nun. Well buddy christ isn't going to hold your hand and sound out the sentences you can read on your own. READ.

[omegasol]

it's called research little one. You're here looking for external salvation like a nun. Well buddy christ isn't going to hold your hand and sound out the sentences you can read on your own. READ.

you don´t get it.

it´s about one thing: you people accept tiny bits of information found on the internet as facts. you don´t question these informations. if it sounds interesting enough and fits your theory it will be used to explain the world. all people challenging your point of view, or asking for proof are (of course) sheep and "spiritually" (what EXACTLY does that mean?) retarded. i´m not saying that the world is exactly the way we are told it is and works, but just because something sounds interesting doesn´t mean it´s correct.

i don´t know it if you realise this, but you´re constructing your own little, pathetic belief-system. you don´t need facts and proof, you believe. i feel sorry for you.

[runciter]

you don´t get it.

it´s about one thing: you people accept tiny bits of information found on the internet as facts. you don´t question these informations. if it sounds interesting enough and fits your theory it will be used to explain the world. all people challenging your point of view, or asking for proof are (of course) sheep and "spiritually" (what EXACTLY does that mean?) retarded. i´m not saying that the world is exactly the way we are told it is and works, but just because something sounds interesting doesn´t mean it´s correct.

i don´t know it if you realise this, but you´re constructing your own little, pathetic belief-system. you don´t need facts and proof, you believe. i feel sorry for you.

who shapes your worldview?

[shabun]

it's called research little one. You're here looking for external salvation like a nun. Well buddy christ isn't going to hold your hand and sound out the sentences you can read on your own. READ.

I have indeed read as you requested oh great one, but I couldn't find any proper evidence of NASA killing its own staff, covering up its own photos, crop circles being made by aliens, or UFOs hovering overhead. So I guess I can conclude that it is a load of bolx.

However, don't let that get in the way of your fantasies fuelled by Mexican "scientists" posting hoaxes on YouTube for you to salivate over.

Also, as seen in this thread, I like the concept that you can make up a "conspiracy" and peeps here will believe it without challenge, and will not accept when its shown to be without any foundation.

[runciter]

I have indeed read as you requested oh great one, but I couldn't find any proper evidence of NASA killing its own staff, covering up its own photos, crop circles being made by aliens, or UFOs hovering overhead. So I guess I can conclude that it is a load of bolx.

However, don't let that get in the way of your fantasies fuelled by Mexican "scientists" posting hoaxes on YouTube for you to salivate over.

Also, as seen in this thread, I like the concept that you can make up a "conspiracy" and peeps here will believe it without challenge, and will not accept when its shown to be without any foundation.

your man-made theory can't be proven, you should admit that you don't have an explanation.

[shabun]

your man-made theory can't be proven, you should admit that you don't have an explanation.

OK then "I hereby and fully admit that I don't know exactly how the Alien-face crop circle was made, but I am aware that there is specific evidence which points to a man-made nature, especially the discovery of a battery-operated sighting device used by grafitti artists known as a "throwie" on the site".

Happy now? Now for fairness, its your turn -

Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever which would point to the Alien Face crop circle having been made by aliens, extraterrestrials, or any parties other than humans. Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever that NASA have killed someone for "leaking" the photo of Wood on Mars which is freely available on NASAs own website.

If of course, there is evidence to the contrary, then please feel free to post it.

[oddblock]

OK then "I hereby and fully admit that I don't know exactly how the Alien-face crop circle was made, but I am aware that there is specific evidence which points to a man-made nature, especially the discovery of a battery-operated sighting device used by grafitti artists known as a "throwie" on the site".

Happy now? Now for fairness, its your turn -

Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever which would point to the Alien Face crop circle having been made by aliens, extraterrestrials, or any parties other than humans. Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever that NASA have killed someone for "leaking" the photo of Wood on Mars which is freely available on NASAs own website.

If of course, there is evidence to the contrary, then please feel free to post it.

Hold on, throwies are just little LED lights you can throw onto metal objects so they stick, kids use them. How the hell could they be used to make a picture that large and that intricate on a field in (reportedly) one night?

[shabun]

Hold on, throwies are just little LED lights you can throw onto metal objects so they stick, kids use them. How the hell could they be used to make a picture that large and that intricate on a field in (reportedly) one night?

I understand they are used for sighting purposes in the field - they can be used to map out the picture on the ground before the cutting begins. I didn't make the crop circle in question, but I do understand the makers have clever ways to reproduce the picture onto the ground, using GPS and a laptop and throwies plus other lighting kit. You could of course use other small lights but I thought it was interesting that a throwie was found on the site, but that was ignored by the folks from the "it was aliens" camp.

[runciter]

OK then "I hereby and fully admit that I don't know exactly how the Alien-face crop circle was made, but I am aware that there is specific evidence which points to a man-made nature, especially the discovery of a battery-operated sighting device used by grafitti artists known as a "throwie" on the site".

Happy now? Now for fairness, its your turn -

Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever which would point to the Alien Face crop circle having been made by aliens, extraterrestrials, or any parties other than humans. Please can you also admit that there is no evidence whatsoever that NASA have killed someone for "leaking" the photo of Wood on Mars which is freely available on NASAs own website.

If of course, there is evidence to the contrary, then please feel free to post it.

you aren't honest enough to admit that you can't explain how genuine crop circles are made.

[shabun]

you aren't honest enough to admit that you can't explain how genuine crop circles are made.

Well lets try again diddums -

"I hereby affirm that I cannot explain how all crop circles are made"

Now its your turn - for fairness, please now respond to my post (yes I do know you will just post some more dodging comments). Over to you.

[runciter]

I understand they are used for sighting purposes in the field - they can be used to map out the picture on the ground before the cutting begins. I didn't make the crop circle in question, but I do understand the makers have clever ways to reproduce the picture onto the ground, using GPS and a laptop and throwies plus other lighting kit. You could of course use other small lights but I thought it was interesting that a throwie was found on the site, but that was ignored by the folks from the "it was aliens" camp.

should we believe you about this "throwie"? and are you sure about the "cutting"?

[shabun]

should we believe you about this "throwie"? and are you sure about the "cutting"?

You can believe what you want (and stop using the Royal "we" - others can post for themselves). Now I've done my "admission" for little diddums, now you please do your admission as well. Or are you not willing to?

[runciter]

Well lets try again diddums -

"I hereby affirm that I cannot explain how all crop circles are made"

Now its your turn - for fairness, please now respond to my post (yes I do know you will just post some more dodging comments). Over to you.

genuine crop circles can't be man-made using known technologies.

[runciter]

You can believe what you want (and stop using the Royal "we" - others can post for themselves). Now I've done my "admission" for little diddums, now you please do your admission as well. Or are you not willing to?

strange that the throwie popped out only today, without any reference.

i'm also asking if in the "alien face" crop circle the stems are cut or bent.

[shabun]

You can believe what you want (and stop using the Royal "we" - others can post for themselves). Now I've done my "admission" for little diddums, now you please do your admission as well. Or are you not willing to?


I will take your responses as a "not willing to!".

[runciter]

I will take your responses as a "not willing to!".

again: genuine crop circles can't be man-made using known technologies.

[element]

I don't believe in aliens, UFOs, crop circles. I believe people who do think crop circles were made by aliens need help.

Crop circles are out there, how they are made is another thing. How come you don't believe in their existence?
How can there not be aliens, as this universe has no beginning or end?
Why would anyone who suggests aliens could make crop circles need help?

[omegasol]

You can believe what you want (and stop using the Royal "we" - others can post for themselves). Now I've done my "admission" for little diddums, now you please do your admission as well. Or are you not willing to?

we all know he won´t do it.

[shabun]

Crop circles are out there, how they are made is another thing. How come you don't believe in their existence?
How can there not be aliens, as this universe has no beginning or end?
Why would anyone who suggests aliens could make crop circles need help?

I have never denied crop circles exist. In fact I know they are real.

I have never denied aliens exist. I share the view that the liklihood of life in the universe other than humans is highly likely, almost to the point of certainty.

What I do say is that the crop circles are not made by non-humans, and the reason why I say that is there is no evidence of such. However (sigh) again I will gladly change my view if someone, anyone, is willing to post such evidence. Runciter has been asked many times but has declined to post anything other than evasive comments but if you are able to help out by posting evidence then I will look at it with an open mind, again.

[shabun]

we all know he won´t do it.

lol At least we may get a "longest thread" award or something.

[runciter]

we all know he won´t do it.

i don't have to correct myself because i didn't make false statements.

[runciter]

I have never denied crop circles exist. In fact I know they are real.

I have never denied aliens exist. I share the view that the liklihood of life in the universe other than humans is highly likely, almost to the point of certainty.

What I do say is that the crop circles are not made by non-humans, and the reason why I say that is there is no evidence of such. However (sigh) again I will gladly change my view if someone, anyone, is willing to post such evidence. Runciter has been asked many times but has declined to post anything other than evasive comments but if you are able to help out by posting evidence then I will look at it with an open mind, again.

there is no evidence that genuine crop circles are made by humans.

[runciter]

lol At least we may get a "longest thread" award or something.

maybe they are made by fairies, maybe nasa is using some secret technology.

[shabun]

there is no evidence that genuine crop circles are made by humans.

lol

No evidence? Apart maybe from this.....

http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html

Keep on dodging!!

And btw, you made the statement -

"again: genuine crop circles can't be man-made using known technologies."

Any chance you could perhaps, if its OK with you, provide evidence to back up your claim? Pleeeese? Pretty pleeeeese?

[runciter]

Why would anyone who suggests aliens could make crop circles need help?


aliens, nature spirits, or human hidden technology? they're all possibilities.

[element]

aliens, nature spirits, or human hidden technology? they're all possibilities.

I think mind-controlled mice with lasers on their head might also be a possibility.:D

[runciter]

lol

No evidence? Apart maybe from this.....

http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html

Keep on dodging!!

And btw, you made the statement -

"again: genuine crop circles can't be man-made using known technologies."

Any chance you could perhaps, if its OK with you, provide evidence to back up your claim? Pleeeese? Pretty pleeeeese?

how do they account for the characteristics of genuine crop circles?

[shabun]

how do they account for the characteristics of genuine crop circles?

What characteristics would that be?

[toty1994]

This guy believes all crop circles are man-made and explains why.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TeNTm7rn-_s

[runciter]

What characteristics would that be?

already posted, go back and read.

[runciter]

This guy believes all crop circles are man-made and explains why.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TeNTm7rn-_s

how does he explain the anomalies found in genuine crop formations?

[shabun]

how does he explain the anomalies found in genuine crop formations?

What anomalies? Please give a specific example of a specific crop circle which has these anomalies.

[oddblock]

Crop circles: Good read

http://www.cropfiles.it/docs/Crops-by-Bols.html

[runciter]

What anomalies? Please give a specific example of a specific crop circle which has these anomalies.

hey aren't you the guy who used to say "all crop circles have been debunked"?

[shabun]

hey aren't you the guy who used to say "all crop circles have been debunked"?

No - I am the guy who said that if anyone could provide specific evidence that crop circles are not man-made then I would consider it with an open mind. Still waiting for that evidence, but your dodging is pretty impressive.

So - to repeat, again - Please give a specific example of a specific crop circle which has these "anomalies" that you refer to. All crop circles in UK have reference numbers and are logged in a catalogue so it should be easy for you to identify one which has these anomalies, so please point me to one of these which has "anomalies" so I can have a look.