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shabun
10-12-2008, 11:47 AM
Crop circles: Good read
http://www.cropfiles.it/docs/Crops-by-Bols.html
Thanks!!!
I will take a look at this.
oddblock
10-12-2008, 11:59 AM
Thanks!!!
I will take a look at this.
No probs ;)
runciter
10-12-2008, 12:48 PM
No - I am the guy who said that if anyone could provide specific evidence that crop circles are not man-made then I would consider it with an open mind. Still waiting for that evidence, but your dodging is pretty impressive.
So - to repeat, again - Please give a specific example of a specific crop circle which has these "anomalies" that you refer to. All crop circles in UK have reference numbers and are logged in a catalogue so it should be easy for you to identify one which has these anomalies, so please point me to one of these which has "anomalies" so I can have a look.
do some research and come back when you are able to support your theory.
shabun
10-12-2008, 01:14 PM
do some research and come back when you are able to support your theory.
aaah, so you actually don't know of any which have these anomalies! Now theres a surprise! For a moment I thought you actually did research yourself rather than just dodging questions, but there you go.
But don't be too embarassed, thanks to the link posted by Oddblock I have identified the issue on plant stems and I am "doing my research" and I am writing a response for you to ignore.
runciter
10-12-2008, 01:25 PM
aaah, so you actually don't know of any which have these anomalies! Now theres a surprise! For a moment I thought you actually did research yourself rather than just dodging questions, but there you go.
But don't be too embarassed, thanks to the link posted by Oddblock I have identified the issue on plant stems and I am "doing my research" and I am writing a response for you to ignore.
i'm not the guy who made false statements, i have no reason to be embarassed.
do you expect me to do the work for you? learn, if you want to prove me wrong.
shabun
10-12-2008, 01:56 PM
Crop circles: Good read
http://www.cropfiles.it/docs/Crops-by-Bols.html
Thanks Oddblock for posting some evidence for me to chew on regarding the plant node issue.
This work is accredited to Levengood et al and further discussed by Haselhoff. I understand Haselhoff was a respected investigator into crop circles, and has published a book on them around 2001.
Not relevant to the plant isssue but Runciter may (i.e. won't) be interested to know that Haselhoff reviewed the "Alien-Face" crop circle that peeps on this site salivate over and writes - Quote "I am convinced it's a man-made hoax. The reasons are multifold". He goes on to explain further, but the full article is here -
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface3.html
Now onto the Levengood work - this is interesting because it is an investigation of a possible effect on plant nodes of some unknown effect (heat/microwaves/whatever) and as such th eeffect should be easily repeatable in any "genuine" crop circle. The first point of interest is that nobody seems to have managed to repeat this since his original work in the 90's (somebody please correct me if there is more recent published work on this, and I will look at it) despite the fact that it should be relatively easy to do (each season there are hundreds of crop circles made, so the availability of "evidence" should be abundant).
The Levengood work was reviewed by the CSI here -
http://www.csicop.org/sb/9606/crop_circle.html
and here -
http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-09/crop-circles.html
With the conclusion that, scientifically, there is no real foundation in the claim regarding plant nodes being affected in any way. In fact it gets worse when it is seen that the "genuine" crop circles which Levengood bases his analysis on are actually seen to be fake - Quote - "In fact, there is now evidence that a major formation that Levengood believes genuine and uses as a basis for theoretical discussion-the "Mandelbrot" formation-was the work of hoaxers. [Ref 6].
Anyway, I don't need to start pasting stuff in from the CSI reports, you can (i.e. won't Runciter) read the work for yourself.
Now onto Haselhoff - he seemed to be a genuine researcher and he has even done some debunking himself (he wrote an article dismissing orbs in crop-circle photos) but the problem is that in this case Haselhoff based his article on the previous Levengood work - he didn't actually do any plant node experiments or measurements himself! I can't confirm this but my crop-circle pals tell me that Haselhoff went to some lengths on this because (surprise surprise) he was releasing a book on the subject at exactly the same time. Since that time he has been surprisingly quiet on the subject, in fact he seems to have disappeared! Perhaps he died (or was murdered - I can see that one coming) but I can't find anything at all from him since 2001.
But here is the challenge - if there has been subesquent real scientific work that supports the original Levengood work (or anything similar) then please point me to it - I am happy to look further into it.
However, in the absence of that - its bollocks.
oddblock
10-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Well I must say, that's a pretty solid bit of research there...
I'm definately in the middle with this one :confused:
shabun
10-12-2008, 02:04 PM
Well I must say, that's a pretty solid bit of research there...
I'm definately in the middle with this one :confused:
You mean you don't believe the mind-controlled mice theory?
runciter
10-12-2008, 03:05 PM
However, in the absence of that - its bollocks.
back to your initial position, i.e. "all crop circles have been proven to be man-made"?
runciter
10-12-2008, 03:08 PM
Well I must say, that's a pretty solid bit of research there...
I'm definately in the middle with this one :confused:
do you know how lawyers work?
they are genuinely concerned about the truth.
shabun
10-12-2008, 03:14 PM
back to your initial position, i.e. "all crop circles have been proven to be man-made"?
Wrong again - my statement about "its bollocks" refers to the argument that the crops display some sort of evidence that they have been subjected to microwaves or any other form of light/heat/rays.
The evidence I have posted
After doing my research
Like you asked
Shows that this phenomena of alteration of the nodes on the stalks
is bollocks
Sorry.
Now, you have posted that there is evidence that crop circles are not man made.
Lets see it then!
runciter
10-12-2008, 03:19 PM
Wrong again - my statement about "its bollocks" refers to the argument that the crops display some sort of evidence that they have been subjected to microwaves or any other form of light/heat/rays.
The evidence I have posted
After doing my research
Like you asked
Shows that this phenomena of alteration of the nodes on the stalks
is bollocks
Sorry.
Now, you have posted that there is evidence that crop circles are not man made.
Lets see it then!
what is your position now? there are no anomalies in genuine crop circles?
shabun
10-12-2008, 03:33 PM
what is your position now? there are no anomalies in genuine crop circles?
I invite you, yet again, once more, to post any evidence, anywhere of these "anomalies" in specific crop circles. If you can't post any evidence of "anomalies" then I think it is rational to conclude that there are none (so that is my current "position" using your words).
As stated many times before, I will happily look at any evidence you provide and respond, like I did to the recent post by Oddblock and like I did to the posts earlier in this thread about the "Alien Face" crop circle, and also like I did about the "Wood on Mars post at the beginning.
Anyway, over to you again, please post these "anomalies" you keep talking about.
runciter
10-12-2008, 03:42 PM
I invite you, yet again, once more, to post any evidence, anywhere of these "anomalies" in specific crop circles. If you can't post any evidence of "anomalies" then I think it is rational to conclude that there are none (so that is my current "position" using your words).
As stated many times before, I will happily look at any evidence you provide and respond, like I did to the recent post by Oddblock and like I did to the posts earlier in this thread about the "Alien Face" crop circle, and also like I did about the "Wood on Mars post at the beginning.
Anyway, over to you again, please post these "anomalies" you keep talking about.
i asked about your current position, i made mine clear from the very beginning..
oddblock
10-12-2008, 03:45 PM
It doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere with this guys...
Maybe it's time to agree to disagree? :cool:
shabun
10-12-2008, 03:50 PM
i asked about your current position, i made mine clear from the very beginning..
And I indeed answered that. Read my post. But to avoid more dodging - here is the bit you requested -
...........I think it is rational to conclude that there are none (so that is my current "position" using your words).
Happy now? Probably not I guess, so please post your next dodge.
Alternatively, you could always post some evidence we can discuss? No, maybe not. Just post a smarmy line instead - I know you enjoy it!
runciter
10-12-2008, 04:02 PM
And I indeed answered that. Read my post. But to avoid more dodging - here is the bit you requested -
...........I think it is rational to conclude that there are none (so that is my current "position" using your words).
Happy now? Probably not I guess, so please post your next dodge.
Alternatively, you could always post some evidence we can discuss? No, maybe not. Just post a smarmy line instead - I know you enjoy it!
case closed? you seem to be in some kind of hurry..
shabun
10-12-2008, 04:05 PM
It doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere with this guys...
Maybe it's time to agree to disagree? :cool:
Probably right, but I am using this post to bring others into this site so they can see for themselves what a load of bolx is in here.
Runciter - Its a waste of time trying to discuss these things with you - its clear you are not interested in such things as "evidence": this is a David Icke forum after all, and I'm sure Mr Icke will be proud of your approach: good luck with your aliens.
runciter
10-12-2008, 04:18 PM
Probably right, but I am using this post to bring others into this site so they can see for themselves what a load of bolx is in here.
Runciter - Its a waste of time trying to discuss these things with you - its clear you are not interested in such things as "evidence": this is a David Icke forum after all, and I'm sure Mr Icke will be proud of your approach: good luck with your aliens.
you find the first article that suits your worldview and accept it as gospel.
shabun
10-12-2008, 05:17 PM
you find the first article that suits your worldview and accept it as gospel.
And you dont have any evidence to support yours. But don't let that spoil your fantasy. Thos is a David Icke forum after all.
runciter
10-12-2008, 05:25 PM
And you dont have any evidence to support yours. But don't let that spoil your fantasy. Thos is a David Icke forum after all.
what kind of game would it be? the parody of a trial? the case against crop circles?
anyone who wants to understand the phenomenon can do his research and decide..
shabun
10-12-2008, 05:28 PM
anyone who wants to understand the phenomenon can do his research and decide..
We agree at last. Meanwhile if I meet any aliens this season I will give them your regards.
runciter
10-12-2008, 05:30 PM
We agree at last. Meanwhile if I meet any aliens this season I will give them your regards.
we agree, but you're still trying to suggest that people who believe in such things "need help".
shabun
10-12-2008, 05:37 PM
we agree, but you're still trying to suggest that people who believe in such things "need help".
They would certainly benefit from being exposed to scientific evidence (such as the stalk-node issue that I posted earlier today) before they make their decision. But I know that is not welcome by you. Anyway, its there for peeps to review and make their own minds up.
runciter
10-12-2008, 05:42 PM
They would certainly benefit from being exposed to scientific evidence (such as the stalk-node issue that I posted earlier today) before they make their decision. But I know that is not welcome by you. Anyway, its there for peeps to review and make their own minds up.
ok, you're saying that there's scientific evidence that the anomalies are bollocks.
shabun
10-12-2008, 05:45 PM
ok, you're saying that there's scientific evidence that the anomalies are bollocks.
Yes - the stalk node anomalies are indeed, bollocks.
runciter
10-12-2008, 05:48 PM
Yes - the stalk node anomalies are indeed, bollocks.
you believe they are bollocks because you've read it in an article.
pali_gap
10-12-2008, 05:53 PM
shabun, runciter put a sock in it :cool:
shabun
10-12-2008, 05:54 PM
you believe they are bollocks because you've read it in an article.
Correct Sherlock. The articles clearly showed that the work done in the '90s by Leven..... and used in 2002 without further experiment by Haselhof was bollocks. As stated many times before (not that you are interested of course) I am happy to look at any other evidence to may have which contradicts this, but no point in me asking you to post it, because you won't.
So its bollocks. M'lud.
runciter
10-12-2008, 06:13 PM
Correct Sherlock. The articles clearly showed that the work done in the '90s by Leven..... and used in 2002 without further experiment by Haselhof was bollocks. As stated many times before (not that you are interested of course) I am happy to look at any other evidence to may have which contradicts this, but no point in me asking you to post it, because you won't.
So its bollocks. M'lud.
so you decide to believe what's written in the article, because it's what you're looking for.
runciter
10-12-2008, 06:19 PM
shabun, runciter put a sock in it :cool:
the longest off-topic in human history? :eek:
shabun
10-12-2008, 06:56 PM
the longest off-topic in human history? :eek:
We agree again. Don't forget to post if you ever do find any evidence of your pesky alien crop-circle pals antics.
Byeeeeeeeeeeeee.
runciter
10-12-2008, 07:45 PM
We agree again. Don't forget to post if you ever do find any evidence of your pesky alien crop-circle pals antics.
Byeeeeeeeeeeeee.
why should we bother about those stupid crop formations? they're all man-made, your article speaks clearly.
shabun
10-12-2008, 08:05 PM
why should we bother about those stupid crop formations? they're all man-made, your article speaks clearly.
Now stop your baiting. I'm in the huff.
runciter
11-12-2008, 08:26 AM
Now stop your baiting. I'm in the huff.
hey i've found an article that explains the wtc collapse: it wasn't a controlled demolition.
shabun
11-12-2008, 08:48 AM
hey i've found an article that explains the wtc collapse: it wasn't a controlled demolition.
keep on baiting.
runciter
11-12-2008, 08:54 AM
keep on baiting.
can you tell me the story of that throwie?
shabun
11-12-2008, 09:34 AM
can you tell me the story of that throwie?
ffs - now you ask! I'm planning to leave this forum as I 'm not really up to it - you guys are too good for me. Anyway its on a website from one of the UK crop circle investigators - he was the guy who actually found it. I'll try to find the link before I get banned.
shabun
11-12-2008, 09:52 AM
Heres the link with a picture of it - the picture is entitled "give away"
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface2.html
Heres the text as well -
Update - 27th July 2003
I've received a number of emails regarding the small LED device found in the field. This was found by my colleague Freddy Silva on the morning after the formation was reported. He passed it onto me for subsequent analysis (as I've studied electronics). It's a very simple device consisting of a green Light Emitting Diode (LED) connected to a battery via a small on/off switch. It was wrapped in plastic tape, which was still sticky and indicative that it hadn't been left out for long as there was no weather erosion on it. Indeed, it still worked and could be operated.
I've no idea what it could be used for other than a sighting device in the dark. It might have been dropped by hoaxers or it may have been deliberately 'planted' by debunkers/hoaxers.
The device is still in my possession.
oddblock
11-12-2008, 09:58 AM
Shabun!!!
Runciter!!!
Seconds out...
Round 83!!!!!! :p
Just throwing in my 2 pence here, but I cannot possibly see how an LED is going to help do this immense picture. In fact I'd love to find out how it was done at all!! :confused:
runciter
11-12-2008, 10:08 AM
Heres the link with a picture of it - the picture is entitled "give away"
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface2.html
Heres the text as well -
Update - 27th July 2003
I've received a number of emails regarding the small LED device found in the field. This was found by my colleague Freddy Silva on the morning after the formation was reported. He passed it onto me for subsequent analysis (as I've studied electronics). It's a very simple device consisting of a green Light Emitting Diode (LED) connected to a battery via a small on/off switch. It was wrapped in plastic tape, which was still sticky and indicative that it hadn't been left out for long as there was no weather erosion on it. Indeed, it still worked and could be operated.
I've no idea what it could be used for other than a sighting device in the dark. It might have been dropped by hoaxers or it may have been deliberately 'planted' by debunkers/hoaxers.
The device is still in my possession.
"Give away?
A small LED sighting device(?) found near the formation. Did a hoaxer drop it?"
"It might have been dropped by hoaxers or it may have been deliberately 'planted' by debunkers/hoaxers."
ask shabun, he's here to help: this crop formation is clearly a hoax, case closed.
shabun
11-12-2008, 12:10 PM
"Give away?
A small LED sighting device(?) found near the formation. Did a hoaxer drop it?"
"It might have been dropped by hoaxers or it may have been deliberately 'planted' by debunkers/hoaxers."
ask shabun, he's here to help: this crop formation is clearly a hoax, case closed.
Agreed.
signs
12-12-2008, 05:46 PM
or it may have been deliberately 'planted' by debunkers/hoaxers."
TO DISCREDIT THE FORMATION FROM BEING SEEN AS A GENUINE AND NOT A MAN MADE FORMATION?:cool:
friendship
18-12-2008, 10:14 AM
Enough of this - please post firm evidence that there are aliens and UFOs and I will be happy to look at it with an open mind. If you don't provide any then I will continue with my belief that you are bonkers.
I await your evidence.
greetings shabun!
unidentified flying objects?
click pictures link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=121).
perhaps you can identify them? (feel free)
:)
signs
18-12-2008, 05:33 PM
greetings shabun!
unidentified flying objects?
click pictures link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=121).
perhaps you can identify them? (feel free)
:)
True, could he post evidence on all UFO pictures and videos that show them ALL to be either fake or mis-identified planes, planets ,ect, if not, then he has no case.Also i have said on a number of occasions that NON PHYSICAL evidence is much as a relevance as physical evidence but that seems to be dismissed ,WHY?:rolleyes:
friendship
26-12-2008, 06:52 PM
anyway i dont think the wood on the mars rockery is wood...
I think it is rock or metallic rock, blasted from the edge of the impact crater.
:cool:
morrist0
31-12-2008, 03:05 AM
I always wondered why NASA turn up the red gains on mars photos.
Then I read Richard C Hoagland's book 'Dark Mission'.
There are definitely people within NASA and JPL that go to great lengths to sanitise data so the public only see what they want them to see. This also applies to photos from the moon.
The evidence Hoagland presents definitely gets you thinking twice about how we are all being duped by this 'sqeaky clean' organisation.