The ideal body image in the mass media

[illuminati downfall]

Of course we have all seen this too many times to count now. Televised fashion shows full of skinny little glamorous super models, and music videos featuring top name pop artists small enough to fit into a size one, and with the kind of chest that people say likely can't possibly be real. We see posters everywhere featuring the "ideal" looking people showing off the latest clothing, shows, sporting gear, and even cars. We are taught through years of being bombarded with this picture of how we are supposed to look, that we obviously come to believe that if are too heavy, too tall, of have less than perfect skin, we need to make become better looking. (I'm thinking more of women and the female ideal, only because I am a woman and personally understand what it is like for me. I do however really feel that this would apply fully to men as well.) Clearly the perfectly sized models are use to advertise and sell one product or another, and in terms of the scantly musicians, well we all know how well sex sells.

I got to wondering just this morning however if there could be another underlying reason for the ideal body being pushed so much on people. In most cases, unless a woman is naturally prone to being extremely skinny, for her to go down to a size one would be very dangerous. Also, isn't that one clearly known way that young girls and to a lesser extent, boys, tend to develop eating disorders? Not to mention the emotional damage that can be done to a person who is very average and beautiful, but feels like the town fat lady, in a place full of smaller sized people. I myself am not a tiny person. I could never fit into those tiny clothes even if I went on a very big diet plan. I don't have the build and bone structure for it and I know that. I'm average sized, I'm healthy and I'm happy with it. Yet one day last year, my own brother happened to call me "fat" because of all these ads and music videos. I think that any government or any group of people that permits and promotes advertising and glamorizing of an image that will cause so much risk to people's physical and emotional health have to have a bigger motive besides just the sale of goods. The media easily could have begun using people of all shapes and sizes to advertise,and still sold products, as well as given out the added message of "everyone is beautiful," yet they didn't.

I thought it would be interesting to hear other people's take on the whole hidden intent behind this kind of thing.

[red_ram]

As you say, sex sells.

Large corporations don't give a shit how their ads affect public thinking for the worse.

[mari]

Of course we have all seen this too many times to count now. Televised fashion shows full of skinny little glamorous super models, and music videos featuring top name pop artists small enough to fit into a size one, and with the kind of chest that people say likely can't possibly be real. We see posters everywhere featuring the "ideal" looking people showing off the latest clothing, shows, sporting gear, and even cars. We are taught through years of being bombarded with this picture of how we are supposed to look, that we obviously come to believe that if are too heavy, too tall, of have less than perfect skin, we need to make become better looking. (I'm thinking more of women and the female ideal, only because I am a woman and personally understand what it is like for me. I do however really feel that this would apply fully to men as well.) Clearly the perfectly sized models are use to advertise and sell one product or another, and in terms of the scantly musicians, well we all know how well sex sells.

I got to wondering just this morning however if there could be another underlying reason for the ideal body being pushed so much on people. In most cases, unless a woman is naturally prone to being extremely skinny, for her to go down to a size one would be very dangerous. Also, isn't that one clearly known way that young girls and to a lesser extent, boys, tend to develop eating disorders? Not to mention the emotional damage that can be done to a person who is very average and beautiful, but feels like the town fat lady, in a place full of smaller sized people. I myself am not a tiny person. I could never fit into those tiny clothes even if I went on a very big diet plan. I don't have the build and bone structure for it and I know that. I'm average sized, I'm healthy and I'm happy with it. Yet one day last year, my own brother happened to call me "fat" because of all these ads and music videos. I think that any government or any group of people that permits and promotes advertising and glamorizing of an image that will cause so much risk to people's physical and emotional health have to have a bigger motive besides just the sale of goods. The media easily could have begun using people of all shapes and sizes to advertise,and still sold products, as well as given out the added message of "everyone is beautiful," yet they didn't.

I thought it would be interesting to hear other people's take on the whole hidden intent behind this kind of thing.

I think the whole idea is to keep the populace in a general state of 'not accepting yourself as you are' Think about it: we consume to make ourselves feel better, yes? whether it is that dress, the diet pack, the tv, the hair colouring - its all designed to keep us in spending mode.
If we truly loved ourselves for who & what we are - then we'd be pretty powerful, wouldn't we? They're trying to keep us from that by constantly shoving the 'skinny' ideal down our throats. You're right - its everywhere these days.
One more thing to ponder on, for those of you here who follow the lie of 'dieting' to lose weight: if 'diets' (ever) worked, there wouldn't be any diet 'industry' would there?

[impermanence]

One must understand that beauty, like everything we recognise and conceptualise is a perception; perceptions are not absolute, they are constructs of the ego mind. I choose to see beauty in everything, even the theatre of war; it's not always easy, it's a work in progress, a process of universal initiation. As Tim Leary once said; the universe is an intelligence test. ;)

People are conditioned to only see beauty in certain things and to fear or hate other things, most people see surface appearance and judge it by accepted, fashionable trends or they relate it to their primitive, superficial, mostly conditioned sexual desire. It takes intelligence and wisdom to look a little deeper. A baby does not see fat or ugly, it does not see good or evil, neither do animals, or enlightened beings. Things just are, labelling comes from the illusionary ego mind of the observer. We can choose to see negatively or positively, to vibrate on low or high frequencies, this is the task at hand.

The movie 'American Beauty' covered perception very well with the guy that filmed everything, he had a very enlightened, non judgemental view of the world.

As red_ram said, sex sells, that's all that matters to the mind manipulators.

[le chuck]

Of course we have all seen this too many times to count now. Televised fashion shows full of skinny little glamorous super models, and music videos featuring top name pop artists small enough to fit into a size one, and with the kind of chest that people say likely can't possibly be real. We see posters everywhere featuring the "ideal" looking people showing off the latest clothing, shows, sporting gear, and even cars. We are taught through years of being bombarded with this picture of how we are supposed to look, that we obviously come to believe that if are too heavy, too tall, of have less than perfect skin, we need to make become better looking. (I'm thinking more of women and the female ideal, only because I am a woman and personally understand what it is like for me. I do however really feel that this would apply fully to men as well.) Clearly the perfectly sized models are use to advertise and sell one product or another, and in terms of the scantly musicians, well we all know how well sex sells.

I got to wondering just this morning however if there could be another underlying reason for the ideal body being pushed so much on people. In most cases, unless a woman is naturally prone to being extremely skinny, for her to go down to a size one would be very dangerous. Also, isn't that one clearly known way that young girls and to a lesser extent, boys, tend to develop eating disorders? Not to mention the emotional damage that can be done to a person who is very average and beautiful, but feels like the town fat lady, in a place full of smaller sized people. I myself am not a tiny person. I could never fit into those tiny clothes even if I went on a very big diet plan. I don't have the build and bone structure for it and I know that. I'm average sized, I'm healthy and I'm happy with it. Yet one day last year, my own brother happened to call me "fat" because of all these ads and music videos. I think that any government or any group of people that permits and promotes advertising and glamorizing of an image that will cause so much risk to people's physical and emotional health have to have a bigger motive besides just the sale of goods. The media easily could have begun using people of all shapes and sizes to advertise,and still sold products, as well as given out the added message of "everyone is beautiful," yet they didn't.

I thought it would be interesting to hear other people's take on the whole hidden intent behind this kind of thing.

Them woman on the telly or in mags are not in anyway what woman should be like,b yourself and be happy, your perfect as you are no matter what anyone say's.

[impermanence]

I think the whole idea is to keep the populace in a general state of 'not accepting yourself as you are' Think about it: we consume to make ourselves feel better, yes? whether it is that dress, the diet pack, the tv, the hair colouring - its all designed to keep us in spending mode.
If we truly loved ourselves for who & what we are - then we'd be pretty powerful, wouldn't we? They're trying to keep us from that by constantly shoving the 'skinny' ideal down our throats. You're right - its everywhere these days.
One more thing to ponder on, for those of you here who follow the lie of 'dieting' to lose weight: if 'diets' (ever) worked, there wouldn't be any diet 'industry' would there?


Absolutely, a constant state of stress and dissatisfaction through propagating fear and desire, stress creates the fight or flight response that requires distraction to numb. Favourite distractions are TV, shopping, food, drugs, work ect ect. Stress related illness is responsible for 80% of the pharmaceutical industries profits. The pursuit of happiness through social acceptance, material gain and body perfection is the ultimate trap.

[disorder2k8]

I look like a scruffy slob for the same reason, I want people to accept who I am.

[tien an]

At the risk of offending many, many women out there, I'd like to suggest that any attempt to change the (physical) body, such as face-lifts, breast (and other) implants and excessive dieting, when the body is basically healthy, is either conscious or sub-conscious devil worship.

Hmm; doesn't look as good, now that I've committed it to print...
(perhaps this is only a hypothesis at this stage).

My explanation for this is that, unless the body is in bad condition (squint / misshapen or otherwise bad / embarrassing teeth... chronic obesity etc.), the reasoning behind changing it is purely psychological, as opposed to physiological.
By this I mean that spending a hefty whack on dental procedures to straighten your teeth or a very strict regime where food intake and exercise is concerned, will do good for both your body AND your mind.

On the other hand, enlarging your breasts (they look so...plastic!) or having a face / butt / lift serves only to satisfy the mind or psyche.

One of the main tenets of Devil Worship is reversing God's work.
eg. quoting the bible backwards, taking an ancient rune that symbolises the onward progression of time/life and reversing it (swastika) and destruction / theft of innocence (child molestation).

I can tell you I felt physically sick watching one of the most prominent examples of plastic surgery singing to Bill Clinton. The first words out of her mouth?

"If I could turn back time..."

I know I don't present a very good argument - disjointed at best, but I do feel that manipulating the body image (in the absence of a physiological reason for doing so) an important and common manifestation of the Devil reversing God's Work.

I also watched some of a program on TV (UK), where young women go through surgical enhancement of their bodies in a bid to 'win'. (Can't remember / have already repressed the name of the program.) It left me squirming in my seat: Not the surgery, the 'judging' near the end...obscene.

PS I have deliberately left transgender and hermaphrodites out of the argument, since anything they do to their bodies seems to be in a bid to be 'one' or the 'other'. In general, they seem to be happy with the bodies they end up with...their change is in the gender of their bodies; a little more than having "bigger tits".

[impermanence]

At the risk of offending many, many women out there, I'd like to suggest that any attempt to change the (physical) body, such as face-lifts, breast (and other) implants and excessive dieting, when the body is basically healthy, is either conscious or sub-conscious devil worship.

Hmm; doesn't look as good, now that I've committed it to print...
(perhaps this is only a hypothesis at this stage).

My explanation for this is that, unless the body is in bad condition (squint / misshapen or otherwise bad / embarrassing teeth... chronic obesity etc.), the reasoning behind changing it is purely psychological, as opposed to physiological.
By this I mean that spending a hefty whack on dental procedures to straighten your teeth or a very strict regime where food intake and exercise is concerned, will do good for both your body AND your mind.

On the other hand, enlarging your breasts (they look so...plastic!) or having a face / butt / lift serves only to satisfy the mind or psyche.

One of the main tenets of Devil Worship is reversing God's work.
eg. quoting the bible backwards, taking an ancient rune that symbolises the onward progression of time/life and reversing it (swastika) and destruction / theft of innocence (child molestation).

I can tell you I felt physically sick watching one of the most prominent examples of plastic surgery singing to Bill Clinton. The first words out of her mouth?

"If I could turn back time..."

I know I don't present a very good argument - disjointed at best, but I do feel that manipulating the body image (in the absence of a physiological reason for doing so) an important and common manifestation of the Devil reversing God's Work.

I also watched some of a program on TV (UK), where young women go through surgical enhancement of their bodies in a bid to 'win'. (Can't remember / have already repressed the name of the program.) It left me squirming in my seat: Not the surgery, the 'judging' near the end...obscene.

PS I have deliberately left transgender and hermaphrodites out of the argument, since anything they do to their bodies seems to be in a bid to be 'one' or the 'other'. In general, they seem to be happy with the bodies they end up with...their change is in the gender of their bodies; a little more than having "bigger tits".

:rolleyes:

Dissatisfaction of body image and desire to change it stems from fear, fear is absence of truth/awareness, truth brings contentedness. It's very simple, and does not require mythological, supernatural demigods to understand or explain.

But each to their own.

[tien an]

No probs impermanence; I'd agree with that too.

[morph01]

First of all your brother was a jerk for talking to you like that! I'm a 29 year old male who is into bodybuilding/powerlifing and I can honestly say that I'm 100% attracted to thick, big boned women and MOST of my guy friends are too! Average to bigger women are more healthy looking to me!


If a woman happens to lift weights and grow some muscle, Ohh wow, she has just added and extra 20 points, becasue her body has not only made an improvement but so did her mind. It takes discipline to work out at the gym 3 days a week.



On a more serious note, I have no idea why women are selected due to there extremely small size. If you have seen some of these women up close you would want to feed them food and give them blood; seriously.


What many girls need to know is that many of these girls who are on the modeling circuit don't eat much, party a lot and use recreational drugs that in totality cause them to loose lots of weight or keep weight OFF. I was told this by a former roommate who's sister is a professional model. She made around 200k so she wasn't one of the girls you see at starbucks who claimed she was a model and so forth. Basically it's a life of photo shoots, party's, night clubs, drugs, random sex and making money.


Anyway, what is more serious that women need to look at, I feel; is the need to buy all these unnecessary items that are being pushed for you to buy; USING the models. Is it REALLY worth it to buy 100 dollars worth of pantys and bras only to put it on a CREDIT CARD or to expect your hubby to bust his a@@ for it??? Really, is it necessary to take time out of your life becasue a TV screen flashed, "SALE, ends Friday!!" Hell, you could get killed on your way to the department store; God forbid!

Newsflash, there is no "SALE" and if they give you a discount it was already factored into the price.


From what I see, instinctively women enjoy gathering and collecting things which I guess was developed when we lived more close to nature, but in this world that is now dominated by corporations you women are now the target and I feel that you are being exploded which is why you have women hoarding over shoes, undergarments and clothes when many of you have wardrobes full of this stuff already. Putting this stuff on a credit card which makes you more in debt is just exacerbating the situation.



As a guy tho, what I'm worried about are the MEN! The male models look like females. Men are slowly becoming emasculated and now it's hitting the streets. I don't see ruff, burly, masculine men walking around much anymore becasue most of them gave up weight lifting to push buttons on a ipod becasue they think it's cool and it's the thing to do. Men rather approach a women on Myspace then in the REAL world.



Lastly tho, the most disturbing thing I saw was a few months ago I was killing some time so I decided to walk around in a local mall to check out the females :) and I walked by a MAC store and there was a huge picture of a transsexual model. I was so confused! You have a store that caters to women but you have a man modeling the products?


I'm not stupid, this is what they want, a total break down of strong solid standards. Masculine man, a smart intelligent female; which equals a solid nuclear family that can resist the tyrants who wish to TOTALLY dominate us.

[illuminati downfall]

Thank you everyone for replying. It's interesting to think of all the little extra tings that the media and retail market can do though advertising in this way, that I never thought of really before. Sale of diet plans, and distraction are a couple of good points. It often seems to me as well, like an good attempt at breaking down the basic tenants of love and acceptance. It's sad to think that it might actually have been working all these years,and many people don't even know why it happened like that. I wonder how many people could clearly define why chubby thighs, or the occasional zit are such horrible things at times. I think that people should simply be who they are and not stress so much over looks, more so now on principle. I would love to see a world where it's more appealing to be typical in appearance than it is to be the media image of what we are told to be. I personally have always made a point of being happy with how I am as a person, what I look like, and even how my finances happen to be and any given time. It saddens me when others I know feel they need to try harder to be perfect, not knowing they already are.

[hagbard_celine]

I've written so much on this subject that it's hard to know where to begin.

Society promotes certain ideals because they want us all locked into a particular mindset. The ideals are deliberately designed for that purpose. They want us all to be social clones!:eek::( Soap opoeras, RealityTV (I could fell up a page on that, but see these threads:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9063

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9393

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37565

They want to demoralize everyone who can't achieve these Conformist ideals. Just look at how people are starving themselves, damaging their health, mutilating their bodies with surgery, even killing themselves, to be these ideals!:( It's about shutting down our spirit and making us dumb and bland inside.

This is why I was encouraged by people like Fern Britton who promoted herself as a woman of beauty, but was also very chubby. It's a shame to see that she's sold out and lost weight!:( What did they threaten her with I wonder!:D

[cheesedanish]

I love those old movies from the 50's and even as recent as the 80's
where Women were 'womanly', curvey and not boney! Ok the high jeans
didn't look great but no one was obsessed with looking like a stick insect
or huge boobs!

[hagbard_celine]

I love those old movies from the 50's and even as recent as the 80's
where Women were 'womanly', curvey and not boney! Ok the high jeans
didn't look great but no one was obsessed with looking like a stick insect
or huge boobs!


There are some absolutely delectable large women!;):D I mentioned Fern Britton above, but I'm also very keen on Liza Tarbuck. I hope modern and future actresses and other female celebrities resist the pressure to conform and loose weight.

[kiwimaj]

I think the whole idea is to keep the populace in a general state of 'not accepting yourself as you are' Think about it: we consume to make ourselves feel better, yes? whether it is that dress, the diet pack, the tv, the hair colouring - its all designed to keep us in spending mode.
If we truly loved ourselves for who & what we are - then we'd be pretty powerful, wouldn't we? They're trying to keep us from that by constantly shoving the 'skinny' ideal down our throats. You're right - its everywhere these days.
One more thing to ponder on, for those of you here who follow the lie of 'dieting' to lose weight: if 'diets' (ever) worked, there wouldn't be any diet 'industry' would there?


Well said !! I agree whole heartedly with your reply !!

Anything that keeps us seperate and un-empowered, that is their game. Of course as well, there is no profit in a woman who goes out with no make up and, doesn't colour her hair and cares not for the latest clothing trends.

Also, have a look at natural hygiene, I have heard of some people that simply use good old fashioned water to clean themselves, no deoderants, no toothpaste, no shampoo (apparently just using lemon juice as a hair cleanser is good enough) You can also make your own "beauty" products from the stuff in your store cupboard, I make a facial cleanser from thyme, water, lemon juice, it works a treat !

Again, it's about stepping outside of the box with all the rubbish the media would want us to buy into. Women have been brainwashed into believing they have to dress and make themselves up a certain way to be "beautiful" and accepted by others. I have also found it's not the male of the species that often we want to impress, but our fellow females...nothing like not being accepted by our peers, is there now??

When you see true love & beauty in others, ultimately it is what is hidden and beneath all the facial stuff that leads to true love...in other words, once the ego is put to one side.

Right, just off for me facial, then hairdressing appointment, then my monthly botox (nothing like injecting poison into your face to be accepted...:D..), the down to the gym to keep those pounds off before my full body makeover...all so I can feel better about myself...;)

[kiwimaj]

First of all your brother was a jerk for talking to you like that! I'm a 29 year old male who is into bodybuilding/powerlifing and I can honestly say that I'm 100% attracted to thick, big boned women and MOST of my guy friends are too! Average to bigger women are more healthy looking to me!

Excellent reply !! But you will hear time and time again about how men prefer women who are not stick insects...I suppose it stems from when they were babies and saw their mothers, voluptuous, probably on the larger size simply because of having had the baby, large breasts, again, due to having the baby. So if you look at it that way no wonder men prefer normal sized women!

I also heard from someone that because (most of)the heads of the fashion houses are gay men, they want their models to look like young boys...but maybe that is just an old wives tale..the head of the fashion houses are just part of the elite anyway and doing their bit throught this particular profession, to keep us seperate.

[synergy777]

do not follow the media. the celebs etc they are normal people. they only look good because of make up, airbrushing/adobe photoshop and lighting/photgraphy tricks.

have you seen celebs in real life, i have, and they are normal, their status/hype is all false. when you see them, you feel a prat, because who can't believe you fell for the adobe beauty treatment version of them, the media hype. why do you think celebs are insecure, they know their image is false, that underneath all that war paint, airbrushing, they are no different to you and me.

bow down to no person, and don't let anyone bow down to you, we are all equal.

be happy with yourself, everyone is beautiful in their own way, and perfection is relative to the person. what one person finds attractive, another person doesn't. i like curvy women, not size zero models. some people like size zero models and do not like curvy women, who is right, who is wrong, no one, as we all have a personal choice.

look at these celebs without make up, they are normal. all this media hype is the old emperors new clothes syndrome imho.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/article1879403.ece

look at this link, i was gutted when i saw my faves of pamela andersson and jennifer lopez like that, gutted.

everybody should be happy with the way are, be content. i think there is nothing wrong in wanting to improve your looks via healthy ways eg exercise/weight lifting, but do it because you want improve not because you feel bad about yourself. society is actually in a high schol/adolescent state of mind, its all about looks, possesions. what you wear, what you drive etc.

i personally like to dress comfy eg baggy clothes, but the cltured and enlightend fashionistas that occupy the same living space as me/society, seem to look down on my sartorial style.

personally bro/sis, laugh at them, don't fall for peer pressure/bullying, be yourself. good people will accept you for you, eg your personality, character not your clothes/looks/possesions. real recognise real, and fu*k the fakes, lol

however sometimes it is nice to piss the fashionistas off by wearing the odd expensive clothes that are beyond their financial reach, but do with it a laissez faire attitude, like i don't care what i wear, that pisses them off nicely, lol.

me perosnally i love baggy jeans, combats and hoodies/tracksuit tops, but alas now i am getting old, i can no longer wear these clothes, i look like mutton dressed as lamb, lol. so i am now wearing sensible sweaters from marks and spencer, but still the baggy jeans and the nike air force ones, its the urban preppy look, or the civlised cultured chav look lol.

be yourself, your are a creation of the supreme being, you are perfect and unique.

[mushroombot]

I think the whole idea is to keep the populace in a general state of 'not accepting yourself as you are' Think about it: we consume to make ourselves feel better, yes? whether it is that dress, the diet pack, the tv, the hair colouring - its all designed to keep us in spending mode.
If we truly loved ourselves for who & what we are - then we'd be pretty powerful, wouldn't we? They're trying to keep us from that by constantly shoving the 'skinny' ideal down our throats. You're right - its everywhere these days.
One more thing to ponder on, for those of you here who follow the lie of 'dieting' to lose weight: if 'diets' (ever) worked, there wouldn't be any diet 'industry' would there?

I agree with this. There is also the affect on personal relationships. The more that the media perpetuates this image ideal, people move into a state of transience with their relationships - thinking that the grass is greener elsewhere because of the superficialness modern society creates - image and materialism. Also, I'm sure it divides people on other levels, with sections of society being more likely to form friendships based on personal appearance and image projected using material possessions.

[morph01]

I agree with this. There is also the affect on personal relationships. The more that the media perpetuates this image ideal, people move into a state of transience with their relationships - thinking that the grass is greener elsewhere because of the superficialness modern society creates - image and materialism. Also, I'm sure it divides people on other levels, with sections of society being more likely to form friendships based on personal appearance and image projected using material possessions.


I agree with this. Speaking from experience, I dated a girl who knew nothing about this stuff and unfortunately she was the type that worshiped sitcoms like SEX and the City; and so forth.



Well, what I started to notice was that she would compare me to the images of what a "man" is suppose to be like that was suggested to her from TV/Movies. It would only come out when we had heated arguments and so I would say to myself, "ok, I see how you REALLY think." She would never use her female quality's (which I needed) to cultivate who I naturally was; in fact, she felt something was wrong with my thinking becasue I would not jump into the rat race like everybody else. You know, go to school to get my programing, then go off to a 9-5 job to be somebody's little B%%H for 40 years of my life ( If I live that long) then only to use the money I made to satisfy her needs, which of course, is at my expense.


Even if I wanted to do this, I couldn't because it's not the industrial age anymore. I still have it easy however, in some cultures like the Asian community, people actually contemplate suicide (many do) because they don't want to take on the image of what it means to be successful Asian man/woman.


I have heard this before, but now I believe it to be true, and that is Asians are good at copying. They have copied the European business model and mixed it with there military strategy to reach a higher level of doing business.



Anyway, take for instance the game shows like "Eligible bachelor" who the young stud is ALWAYS a doctor and is a graduate from Yale, along with the rest of the stucco that makes up his edifice. Why is it that he is the only type of man who gets the credit and praise; what about the man who makes 70k a year that runs his own janitorial business and is still good looking? It's documented that maids and janitors are the MOST productive citizens in our society!



Point blank, men have been reduced to income statements/net worth; meanwhile, females have been reduced entirely into sex objects who play the role that they can't take care of themselves. So if you don't play the game then something is wrong with you and your ostracized so people sign up and play out of fear of being left out and out of not taking the time to find other honest options to take care of themselves.



You know something, people gawking over doctors and lawyers just freeks me out the most. Your average doctor is really not a healer he's just high class drug pusher for the (kingpin) pharmaceutical giants. A real doctor knows about holistic medicine and the Eastern methods of using plants for medicinal purposes.



Also, and going off on a major tangent but I would say that most of these white color guys from the States and Europe are the ones responsible for the demand in child prostitution in places in Asia. I saw a documentary that tore me apart; little girls who have full blown aids, who won't live to see past 15 years of age in some cases. Your local cop, janitor or street sweeper doesn't have the money to fund long rage excursions like this. Its the guy with the perfect teeth driving by in the 500SL who gets his A@@ kissed on a daily basis becasue he's got "credentials."

[mushroombot]

I agree with this. Speaking from experience, I dated a girl who knew nothing about this stuff and unfortunately she was the type that worshiped sitcoms like SEX and the City; and so forth.



Well, what I started to notice was that she would compare me to the images of what a "man" is suppose to be like that was suggested to her from TV/Movies. It would only come out when we had heated arguments and so I would say to myself, "ok, I see how you REALLY think." She would never use her female quality's (which I needed) to cultivate who I naturally was; in fact, she felt something was wrong with my thinking becasue I would not jump into the rat race like everybody else. You know, go to school to get my programing, then go off to a 9-5 job to be somebody's little B%%H for 40 years of my life ( If I live that long) then only to use the money I made to satisfy her needs, which of course, is at my expense.





Even if I wanted to do this, I couldn't because it's not the industrial age anymore. I still have it easy however, in some cultures like the Asian community, people actually contemplate suicide (many do) because they don't want to take on the image of what it means to be successful Asian man/woman.


I have heard this before, but now I believe it to be true, and that is Asians are good at copying. They have copied the European business model and mixed it with there military strategy to reach a higher level of doing business.



Anyway, take for instance the game shows like "Eligible bachelor" who the young stud is ALWAYS a doctor and is a graduate from Yale, along with the rest of the stucco that makes up his edifice. Why is it that he is the only type of man who gets the credit and praise; what about the man who makes 70k a year that runs his own janitorial business and is still good looking? It's documented that maids and janitors are the MOST productive citizens in our society!



Point blank, men have been reduced to income statements/net worth; meanwhile, females have been reduced entirely into sex objects who play the role that they can't take care of themselves. So if you don't play the game then something is wrong with you and your ostracized so people sign up and play out of fear of being left out and out of not taking the time to find other honest options to take care of themselves.



You know something, people gawking over doctors and lawyers just freeks me out the most. Your average doctor is really not a healer he's just high class drug pusher for the (kingpin) pharmaceutical giants. A real doctor knows about holistic medicine and the Eastern methods of using plants for medicinal purposes.



Also, and going off on a major tangent but I would say that most of these white color guys from the States and Europe are the ones responsible for the demand in child prostitution in places in Asia. I saw a documentary that tore me apart; little girls who have full blown aids, who won't live to see past 15 years of age in some cases. Your local cop, janitor or street sweeper doesn't have the money to fund long rage excursions like this. Its the guy with the perfect teeth driving by in the 500SL who gets his A@@ kissed on a daily basis becasue he's got "credentials."

Well said, you give a clear example of this dividing tactic used by the media and tptb. It does appear to be a well orchestrated plan that we are seeing.

It is interesting what you say about the Asian business culture. How I see it, when Asians set up a business, the level to which their families pull together and do what it takes to make a success out of it is down to their closer family and community bonds. These bonds imo have been purposely eroded in British society to make us more reliant on the system when we fall. I can well understand why Asians in Britain strongly preserve there culture. I wonder if eventually, their strong ties will evaporate over time as have ours.

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Well said, you give a clear example of this dividing tactic used by the media and tptb. It does appear to be a well orchestrated plan that we are seeing.

It is interesting what you say about the Asian business culture. How I see it, when Asians set up a business, the level to which their families pull together and do what it takes to make a success out of it is down to their closer family and community bonds. These bonds imo have been purposely eroded in British society to make us more reliant on the system when we fall. I can well understand why Asians in Britain strongly preserve there culture. I wonder if eventually, their strong ties will evaporate over time as have ours.


Yes, this is true, Asian stick together which is one of the reasons why they do so well but from what I have noticed the same family that helps can also hurt.

From the Asian friends I have had if they chose to date out there race they are harshly criticized from there parents, and if they chose not to go to college or follow down the same road as there parents who are business owners/highly paid workers they can be black balled. It has something to do with keeping up the family name; its not about the individual but the family as a hole.

Ha, I got bold and even asked one of my Asian customers about all the 90k cars they drive and the high end hand bags and she told me that her race ( the Chinese) just like to show off...lol