Aleister Crowley Mr 666

[meksar]

Im sure many of you have come across this infamous black occultist, heres a basic look at him but does not go as far possible.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTuZnpy15Q

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qiadoFtiTaQ&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u7agCE6O-p8&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeCAciuNTY&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7jvZwFyR8cc&feature=related

[chris]

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Just wait 'till thirdwave, marpet and eternal spirit get here;)

[rossus]

Just wait 'till thirdwave, marpet and eternal spirit get here;)
i can already feel their presence closing in

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[keystone]

Crowley was a fruitloop IMHO. 'Nuff said.

[impermanence]

A misunderstood genius and a total wanker.

[meksar]

He was just a very clever man but not wise at all, his satanically inspired lifestyle was something that has been passed on through this sex, drugs and rock roll cult which seems harmless but can get a nasty grip on some.

[middleway00]

the first letter of his signature says it all.:p

8==D:eek:

[element]

Just wait 'till thirdwave, marpet and eternal spirit get here;)

Heheh:D

It's now the quietness before the storm..

Only a matter of time..:D

[thirdwave]

me? get involved in a Crowley thread???

what would give you that idea?? :)

[middleway00]

"it is time to stop talking about god's messages, channels, ect. and time to act like the Gods/Goddesses we are" - C.S. Hyatt

Hear Hear.

[dean69]

i have heard that he had something to do with Jack the ripper......

[indrasnet]

He was simply this big alienated tribes' most persecuted HIGH Shaman, we're nearing the end of the Piscean Aeon of the 3 Monotheistic religions, and the knowledge that he and his mystery schools contain are exactly the experiences of union that the Roman Catholic Church does not want available for free and outside of a Church. Thus it was Occulted and Demonized. I appreciate all of his work greatly, i didnt know him, but ive heard stories about him doing things i wouldnt, but never against anybody elses Will. "Do what thou whilt" "love is the law, love under will" his Thelemic laws were that of hands off spirituality, he wasnt saying follow me, he was saying try this shit out and dont even put me in the equation. I remember him being quoted saying something like he wanted to provide for any indivdual who desires, the procedures for acheiving personally powerful states of union with God/reality. Ive also read he worked for the CIA shortly, and was undoubtedly part of the same Ancient Orders as the Illuminated world leaders would party and plan to rule the world, who knows. To me ancient knowledge is unfathomably valuble, folks like him and Manly P Hall, Israel Regardie, and others who may or may not be up there with the illuminati, still wrote some fascinating histories of the religions of antiquity. Love is the Law

[meksar]

Mr Crowley was a raving lunatic he did regret how he had lived his life in his final years.

[eternal_spirit]

Mr Crowley was a raving lunatic he did regret how he had lived his life in his final years.

See someone's being paying attention. Nice guy wasn't he :rolleyes:another possible Rothschild, if not blood related, definitely connected and moved in the same double agent intelligence agents circles of the Elites/High Masons/Satanists to name a few. Some idiots here don't know half of what he was involved with.

That's all I'm saying and LOL you lot on the first page, just noticed.

[drael]

:) Can of worms is exactly what i was going to say.

Actually crowleys philosophy is in moral aspects remarkably similar to jesus's teachings in some aspects. He said that there is no use for the word sin, because love is the only effective solution for anything. Thats damned true IMO, and similar to "let he who has not sinned", and "love thy neighbour as thyself".

Of course one has to be pretty mystic minded already to get at his meanings, and he did a lot of people poking, which is the job of any good shaman/spiritualist. Of course, dying of a drug overdose etc, having stds shows he wasnt balanced like buddha or jesus, but he had a very good grasp of the old mystery teachings, at the very least on an intellectual level.

This IMO make him a very useful read. Hes easier to understand than the bible or egyptian book of the dead for example.

Not evolved, not an example, but good with mystic information. Of course still hated with a vengence for the downright offensive stuff he said sometimes. It sorta reminds me of that song "i dont care what u think, as long as its about me, the best of us can find happiness in misery"...band? not sure. Also shamanistic ego poking. But with an undue passion.

I would like to ask, that people long involved in discussion about crowley talk specifics about his statements and philosophy rather than his life or dodgey arse connections. If hes a dark shill, the proof shud be in the pudding, and if his message is accurate, then the word shud stand up.

At least then we can be on the same page of conversation ;) if not, at least consider whats productive and not.

Peace,
Drael

[chris]

What I find crazy about people that bother sticking up for him is that they say 'he released the magical secrets,' no he didn't. Do you see electional astrology in his work? No. Do you see practical alchemy in his work? No. Do you see natural magick? No. All you get is something alluding to high magick with the keys missing.

[i_am]

Hi meksar

There have been several threads on Crowley. If you do a search you will find them and loads of information and opinions :)

[question]

For all the bad that he may of been or corrupted, one thing stands out.

Back in the early part of world war 2 he managed to smuggle one of hitlers right hand men across to scotland.
He managed to arrange a meeting between him, the german and winston chruchill.
The german told chruchill that he felt hitler was going down the wrong road and was ready to take him out for churchill, to end the war early.
Churchill refused saying "We will let this war play out the way we want".

I wonder how many lives would of been saved if he had of taken him up on his offer.

(I am not promoting him, or chastising him, just letting you all know, for every bad thing you hear about a person, there is always some good)

[xpleet]

Just wait 'till thirdwave, marpet and eternal spirit get here

I would never, ever joke about this, we have deliberate Satanists and elitists spreading their venom on this forum and who know what they're doing.

[drael]

I would never, ever joke about this, we have deliberate Satanists and elitists spreading their venom on this forum and who know what they're doing.

Satanists. Lol.

[drael]

I would love peeps to talk bout this nicely, so i will bump it. Dark, light or inbetween hes a man that can inspire real talk.

[thirdwave]

What I find crazy about people that bother sticking up for him is that they say 'he released the magical secrets,' no he didn't. Do you see electional astrology in his work? No. Do you see practical alchemy in his work? No. Do you see natural magick? No. All you get is something alluding to high magick with the keys missing.

oh come on...thats not true.. and shocking you say that... and kind of makes the accusations about him baseless as people accused him of inspiring Satanists with his works... he simply presented magick as something real and very much gave a platform for intelligent people to grasp what the deal was... I personally don't think he was given all the secrets, he was not trusted with them as was way to much of a loose cannon.... he did not need them anyway..

He revealed much in his Thoth tarot deck as well as much of the secrets that the PTB get up to although most people where to busy demonising him to take note of the people he was actually pointing out who where really doing damage to the world... they were too busy focusing on him being a nutter ... he was one of the first to point out the Zionist agenda.... and child sacrifice..

its not a case of defending him as such as at times he was a right shit bag and was a nutter... but its a case of trying to show people he is not what the mainstream made out... and was not just some evil Satanist working for the PTB... people are to set on black and white... that team or this team.... left or right.... lifes not that simple..


I would never, ever joke about this, we have deliberate Satanists and elitists spreading their venom on this forum and who know what they're doing.

LOL... here is a hanky to wipe your forehead! :rolleyes:

[chris]

oh come on...thats not true.. and shocking you say that...

Okies...Show a good treaty on electional astrology...Oh, it's not there. How about Alchemy? Ding. They used to teach this stuff to neophytes.

and kind of makes the accusations about him baseless as people accused him of inspiring Satanists with his works...

Yes, it is baseless. I find the Anti-Crowley lobby just as ridiculous.

he simply presented magick as something real and very much gave a platform for intelligent people to grasp what the deal was...

I'm not so sure, I haven't exactly read all the volumes of the equinox but from what I've seen (of his most famous works, book4, thoth, Magick w/o tears, hbot etc), he gives the tools but not so much the method. And I LOLS when people make out like only intelligent people can read him.

Compare that to Jean Dubuis who literally spills it all or Metlita Denning who gives a very coherant method. Eliphas Lévi who did actually innovate what we call today modern magick, Then there's Regardie who just edited the golden dawn system (yet highly critisied for it, how is this so if Crowley released all?). Even Jung goes further FFS.

He mixes these teachings with very dubious yoga teaching which will if followed, would cripple you:D

I personally don't think he was given all the secrets, he was not trusted with them as was way to much of a loose cannon.... he did not need them anyway..

He would have known these things but you are right, he may not have needed them for himself. Yet people make out he was a great teacher, imagine if Christians said that 'Jesus pwned but didn't do much for anyone else.'

All I am saying this is a retarded fight. I usually just sit back and laugh at peoples rationale over this issue but I guess I was too tempted this time.

He revealed much in his Thoth tarot deck as well as much of the secrets that the PTB get up to although most people where to busy demonising him to take note of the people he was actually pointing out who where really doing damage to the world... they were too busy focusing on him being a nutter ... he was one of the first to point out the Zionist agenda.... and child sacrifice..

its not a case of defending him as such as at times he was a right shit bag and was a nutter... but its a case of trying to show people he is not what the mainstream made out... and was not just some evil Satanist working for the PTB... people are to set on black and white... that team or this team.... left or right.... lifes not that simple..

I agree that he's not what the mainstream makes out at all. Yet I don't think he gave out many things which weren't already out there. For the Tarot, there is not much put out by him which wasn't by Eliphas Lévi who he claims to be the reincarnation of.

If you don't want the people calling him a 'Satanist' to win his fight your going to have to concede some ground, otherwise your going to come over as an apologist.

Crowley did teach things which called on Satan or the deviations, just read some of his AA teachings. Yet 'Satan' to the occult means a different thing to how Christians view him. By calling Crowley a Satanist is like calling a mixed martial artist a boxer. It's just not entirely true, he worshipped Jesus just as much (or at least, corresponding unquantifiably so).

As for being an agent of the NWO, theres a lot of evidence that he was...When the Nazi party was popular in the West, he wrote pro-hitler propaganda.

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-subjects-viewpage-pageid-13.phtml

His student John Fuller who wrote 'the pathworkings of Aleister Crowley' met with Hitler and all the top generals, Fuller is credited to have created the Blitzkrieg battlefield tactic. He was also a member of Oswald Mosley's, British Union of Fascists.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWfuller.htm

This doesn't prove he was part of the NWO, but it does prove he was a stooge.

All I am saying is that I find it funny how people with 'discernment' seem to give Crowley a whole set of different rules. It is like Don Milo, making excuses that sexist and racist things he said was 'a joke' or that the Swastika in the Thoth Tarot was black magic against the germans.

Also his M/O of mixing the Golden Dawn with Eastern Religions follows the same world religion agenda in exactly the same way Jiddu Krishnamarti was used, the only difference was that instead of finding a saviour, he decided to be the saviour himself (albiet in his next life).

I'm not saying he wasn't a good magician, his book of law has amazing effects on the psyche, I am not surprised that it was accepted by many. I am just saying he's extremely overrated as a teacher and it's not because I'm too stupid to understand his teachings.

[thirdwave]

Okies...Show a good treaty on electional astrology...Oh, it's not there. How about Alchemy? Ding. They used to teach this stuff to neophytes.
but since when has anyone claimed he was the bringer of all knowledge?


Yes, it is baseless. I find the Anti-Crowley lobby just as ridiculous. well thats the only point being made really, but to imply he has not been informative is not true IMO.


I'm not so sure, I haven't exactly read all the volumes of the equinox but from what I've seen (of his most famous works, book4, thoth, Magick w/o tears, hbot etc), he gives the tools but not so much the method. And I LOLS when people make out like only intelligent people can read him. But the method is different for everyone.... his method was do what you want.. a free person is always the best kind of magician... and you can laugh but its not exactly a secret that Crowley's works were very self indulgent and he used his English Intellect to the max... Even some of the modern day occultists have recognised this....

and why are we still talking about Crowley today?

Compare that to Jean Dubuis who literally spills it all or Metlita Denning who gives a very coherant method. Eliphas Lévi who did actually innovate what we call today modern magick, Then there's Regardie who just edited the golden dawn system (yet highly critisied for it, how is this so if Crowley released all?). Even Jung goes further FFS.

They are also inspirational people... no one has knocked them... Ask a modern chaos magician if they think Crowley offered anything to them.

He mixes these teachings with very dubious yoga teaching which will if followed, would cripple you:D

HU?????

Yet people make out he was a great teacher,

no they don't... his name was not built up on his magick teachings as such... this is why its very odd that people make him out to be the bringer of Satanism.... it was his way of exposing humans, religion... and our nature.... and how that can interact with magick, many things Icke talks about now how fear can be used to open astral doors and so on.... Crowley new this.... how the right and left brain work differently ..Crowley new this and made his pupils right left handed to bring out their left brain.....

All I am saying this is a retarded fight. I usually just sit back and laugh at peoples rationale over this issue but I guess I was too tempted this time. I agree, but if people read the forum and want to learn about him... at least they are offered some less biased christian based info on him.

I agree that he's not what the mainstream makes out at all. Yet I don't think he gave out many things which weren't already out there. For the Tarot, there is not much put out by him which wasn't by Eliphas Lévi who he claims to be the reincarnation of. yet in 2008 the Thoth deck is the most respected and detailed deck there is.

If you don't want the people calling him a 'Satanist' to win his fight your going to have to concede some ground, otherwise your going to come over as an apologist. ..but i don't think he was anything like a Satanist.... just because his personality had flaws and he was a nutter and would give anything a try.... it does not mean he worships the devil and wishes to destroy man kind... what's there to concede?

Crowley did teach things which called on Satan or the deviations, just read some of his AA teachings.

now your just contradicting your self..... teachings???


Yet 'Satan' to the occult means a different thing to how Christians view him.
He clearly knew Satan was a creation by the church.... any poems based on Satan where there to wind up the chruch... this was implyed in his works..

anything else related to baphomet and so on...is as you say not what most people think.


As for being an agent of the NWO, theres a lot of evidence that he was...When the Nazi party was popular in the West, he wrote pro-hitler propaganda.
More hear say and make of it what you will stuff... this was 1914 for a start.. and he made no secret of not putting much value on patriotism.. like somone has already pointed out there is propaganda on the other side as well... the story is very vague again.


His student John Fuller who wrote 'the pathworkings of Aleister Crowley' met with Hitler and all the top generals, Fuller is credited to have created the Blitzkrieg battlefield tactic. He was also a member of Oswald Mosley's, British Union of Fascists.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWfuller.htm

He was not his student ... he befriended him after praising his book... and Crowley was not responsible for him.... are you implying that Crowley had a duty to control these people?.. if so you do understand what Crowley was about right?

Also it was reported that he was the one who told Chruchhill of the Nazi superstitions with the Swastika and urged him to use the V sign which is the of Apophis-Typhon and is meant to reverse the energy of the swastika.... so believe that as well if you like..

This doesn't prove he was part of the NWO, but it does prove he was a stooge.
Well we already know he was in with these people, mostly because they valued him.... but at the same time we know he had much conflict with them.... it does not prove he was a stooge and he played both sides... was banned from Italy and nearly booted out of England...

All I am saying is that I find it funny how people with 'discernment' seem to give Crowley a whole set of different rules. It is like Don Milo, making excuses that sexist and racist things he said was 'a joke' or that the Swastika in the Thoth Tarot was black magic against the germans.
Swastika in the Thoth tarot?

first of all I have never seen that or heard someone say its back magick against the Germans...

The Deck is a TAROT deck... and it is all about symbols... it would be perfectly exceptable to have such a symbol on there because the simple is a relevant symbol with meaning.... So its an odd thing to pick at IMO... unless of course you are a christian who thinks the tarot deck is "satanic" anyway..

And his sexist and racist things being defended, what do you think "Shit bag" means? ... most of the pro crowley authors I have read are the first ones to point out that Crowley had faults.... but also that he was nothing like a Satanist..... also his racist stuff was not really racist but more pointing out political ignorance.... as far as human beings goes you only needed to read his works to see he was WAY above judging a human simply by the colour of his skin.. take a look at the "lovers card" in my profile.

and also show me where people have tried to depict him as perfect?
Im not sure where you are coming from and IMO are coming across as a bit contradicting.


Also his M/O of mixing the Golden Dawn with Eastern Religions follows the same world religion agenda in exactly the same way Jiddu Krishnamarti was used, the only difference was that instead of finding a saviour, he decided to be the saviour himself (albiet in his next life).

Oh Please.... this is what I am talking about, you are no better than the MSM when you come out with stuff like that...

How on earth is gaining knowledge from Eastern Religions, that have been bled out of the west a part of a religion agenda?

are you overlooking the fact that these Eastern occult techniques are actually quite real and of value?

I'm not saying he wasn't a good magician, his book of law has amazing effects on the psyche, I am not surprised that it was accepted by many.

No, you just one big contradiction.

I am just saying he's extremely overrated as a teacher and it's not because I'm too stupid to understand his teachings.
Well you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

[mondo23]

Ive read a few of his biographies, Perdurabo being the best. I gotta say though, Crowley didnt seem all that bad. Ive personally known people far far worse than him but then they dont write books on magick so there's not as much finger pointing. These people are responsible for spreading misery where ever they go. They take everything and give nothing. No need for satan or high magick or whatever to cause them to behave this way, they just do. Im sure a few of you know people like this. Theyre quite common.
Sometimes theyre your so called best friend. Or your wife or husband or even your own children. Or maybe theyre the stranger who punched your friend in the head for no reason and killed him. That happened to my friend a few years ago. The kid that did it wasnt a Crowley follower or a satanist. He was a 15 year old kid who thought he was being tough in front of his mates.

So what had Crowley supposedly done that was so evil? I see people write on here that he was a Rothschild or was Bush's grandfather or was in with the elite and the Illuminati etc etc but where's the real, provable, beyond all doubt, proof of any of this? He doesnt mention any of it in his Confessions, so what gives? All I see is speculation and no hard proof.
I wouldnt say I'm pro-Crowley as such but I am in the A.'. A.'. and the Thelemic system has value for me personally. I chose to follow that path in my own way and to me Crowley provides a good way to change the thought processes for those that choose to. Its a matter of choice and when people say, 'you shouldnt have anything to do with him, he's evil. Maggots will crawl out of your anus etc etc', they are forcing theyre opion on someone who has the free will to make up their own minds. If its not for you, good, great, go find something that does work for you and let everyone else alone.
The Crowley bashers on here. Do you consider these people as evil because they followed Crowley's system?
Robert Anton Wilson.
Tim Leary.
Chris Hyatt.
Lon Milo Duquette.
Jimmy Page.
Keith Allen. (Yup. He's a Thelemite.)

Every single person Ive met that is in the OTO or A.'. A.'. has been a very decent, respectful, intelligent and best of all FUNNY person who is in control of their lives and their brains. Thats MY experience anyway.

Ok, now I wait for the inevitable and predictable bashing from the anti-Crowley crowd. So 1 - 2 - 3......GO! Tell my why I'm wrong. Force your BS on me. Try and belittle me with Ad Hominem attacks. Try and tell me why MY Will is wrong and yours is right.
When you do, bare this in mind. What your doing is as bad as what the so called powers that be do to all of us eveyday. Youre trying to force your BS, YOUR Will on someone else. Thats a big no no in my book and does not resemble freedom in anyway whatsoever.

I say this with pride because I can:

93 93/93

:D

[thirdwave]

Ive read a few of his biographies, Perdurabo being the best. I gotta say though, Crowley didnt seem all that bad. Ive personally known people far far worse than him but then they dont write books on magick so there's not as much finger pointing. These people are responsible for spreading misery where ever they go. They take everything and give nothing. No need for satan or high magick or whatever to cause them to behave this way, they just do. Im sure a few of you know people like this. Theyre quite common.
Sometimes theyre your so called best friend. Or your wife or husband or even your own children. Or maybe theyre the stranger who punched your friend in the head for no reason and killed him. That happened to my friend a few years ago. The kid that did it wasnt a Crowley follower or a satanist. He was a 15 year old kid who thought he was being tough in front of his mates.

So what had Crowley supposedly done that was so evil? I see people write on here that he was a Rothschild or was Bush's grandfather or was in with the elite and the Illuminati etc etc but where's the real, provable, beyond all doubt, proof of any of this? He doesnt mention any of it in his Confessions, so what gives? All I see is speculation and no hard proof.
I wouldnt say I'm pro-Crowley as such but I am in the A.'. A.'. and the Thelemic system has value for me personally. I chose to follow that path in my own way and to me Crowley provides a good way to change the thought processes for those that choose to. Its a matter of choice and when people say, 'you shouldnt have anything to do with him, he's evil. Maggots will crawl out of your anus etc etc', they are forcing theyre opion on someone who has the free will to make up their own minds. If its not for you, good, great, go find something that does work for you and let everyone else alone.
The Crowley bashers on here. Do you consider these people as evil because they followed Crowley's system?
Robert Anton Wilson.
Tim Leary.
Chris Hyatt.
Lon Milo Duquette.
Jimmy Page.
Keith Allen. (Yup. He's a Thelemite.)

Every single person Ive met that is in the OTO or A.'. A.'. has been a very decent, respectful, intelligent and best of all FUNNY person who is in control of their lives and their brains. Thats MY experience anyway.

Ok, now I wait for the inevitable and predictable bashing from the anti-Crowley crowd. So 1 - 2 - 3......GO! Tell my why I'm wrong. Force your BS on me. Try and belittle me with Ad Hominem attacks. Try and tell me why MY Will is wrong and yours is right.
When you do, bare this in mind. What your doing is as bad as what the so called powers that be do to all of us eveyday. Youre trying to force your BS, YOUR Will on someone else. Thats a big no no in my book and does not resemble freedom in anyway whatsoever.

I say this with pride because I can:

93 93/93

:D

the thing is

We know there is evil within a huge part of secret societies... ok I am very much in agreement with this and its not something that you can really hide...

but what is also relevant is how groups like christians have always attacked the occult... not just because of how some bad people have used it, this is just been hyped by them for justification... but its because it contradicts there faith and dogma....

So we have a mixture of people doubtful of some of these people's secrecy because of he bad people in the secret societies, but cant we look at peoples actions as well?... and what stuff people put out there?... we can see that anyone who stands up and says I am into the occult gets cursed at ..so its no shock they like to keep it behind closed doors.

I am inclined to think the bad people have chosen to make the occult a feared and doubted thing, in order to put it out of peoples reach.... what a great place to hide, where there most valued knowledge is feared by the masses... and those who use it are deemed as un trustworthy... they already know we don't trust them!.. they just want to make sure there is nothing we can do about it!

It shocks me how people can quite simply see how much power these people have... how much "luck" they have...control... and clearly are extremely focused and successful in what they do.... and yet the penny has not dropped that maybe its because among their fucked up actions and ignorant will.... they actually have some very beneficial knowledge... no one thinks that the scales can be tilted with such knowledge...no... if we interact with it...its evil.... if they interact with it..its evil and for some odd reason they just so happen to be permitted planet earth for their efforts.

[eternal_spirit]

The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII. unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.

[eternal_spirit]

quote Crowley "I was not content to believe in a personal devil and

serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word.

I wanted to get hold of him personally

and become his chief of staff.

Not looked at all the links below but may be of some interest to newbies

Magick is usually defined itual acts performed with the intent to cause change or transform the practitioner or the environment. The loosest definition of magick is an act of intent or will expected to result in a specific outcome.
The spelling of magick with a 'k' was first used intentionally by Eliphas Levi to differentiate theurgic magick (http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/bldeftheurgy.htm) from stage magic. Crowley again revived this Elizabethan-era spelling in his own work.
Alternate Spellings: Majik, Magic


http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/Z/y/2/glossarymagick.jpg (http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/bl_manlyhallmagician)
Magician summoning a Goetia Spirit


Hermetic Tradition (http://altreligion.about.com/cs/hermetictradition1/index.htm)
Named after Hermes Trismigestus (Hermes the three times great), the Greek moniker of the Egyptian God Tehuti (Thoth), alleged author of hundreds of mystical tractates, the Hermetic tradition is an eclectic spiritual tradition that encompasses elements from from many religions.

Grimoire- the magician's handbook (http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa010403a.htm)
Often containing complex instructions for conjuring demons and spirits, the Grimoires of European magicians were more than just collections of spells and conjurations.

The Magician's Handbook A Grimoire, strictly speaking, is a collection of magickal formulas or symbols, with instructions for their use to achieve certain ends. The word "Grimoire" is actually an archaic spelling of the word "grammar," a word which once referred to things magical.
Often containing complex instructions for conjuring demons and spirits, European Grimoires were astonishingly common between the twelfth and eighteenth centuries. What is even more surprising is the atmosphere of Christian piety that often permeates these texts. A far cry from the black magick and pacts with Satan one might expect, they are filled with biblical references and regimens of prayer and Angelic supplications. Ritual Magicians of the Middle ages and Renaissance periods tended to be heavily religious, and although they found inspiration in Pagan and Islamic texts, they often relied on Christian magical traditions going back as far as the first century. Some especially religiously oriented magicians even found a biblical imperative in the words of Jesus- " And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do "

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mondo23 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=676595#post676595)
Ive read a few of his biographies, Perdurabo being the best. I gotta say though, Crowley didnt seem all that bad.

......................................

So Mondo if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.

[marpat]

The classic prototype of such an egregore is Baphomet, the alleged
egregore of the Templars, who was worshipped in the form of a bust.

An `egregore' is a magical entity that is artificially created by
the focused thoughts and desires of a medium (analogous in many ways
to Tibetan tulpas and the Golems of kabbalisitc/Cabalistic Judaism) Supposedly a medium or statue could then serve
as a tenant for the egregore, nourished by the sexual life-powers of
the members.

The blood (or excrements) attract the
spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive.



Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of
the OTO's secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old
Templars. While the splinter-group, the Fraternitas Saturni
definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh,
Quote:

Crowley's VIII. unveiled the "pupil" that masturbating on a sigil
of a demon or meditating upon the image of a phallus would bring
power or communication with a (or one's own) divine being/Super
Ego. The IX. labelled heterosexual intercourse where the sexual
secrets were sucked out of the vagina and when not consumed (when
considered holy) put on a sigil to attract this or that demon to
fullfill the pertinent wish/order. In his "Emblems and Mode of
Use" Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a
talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money.


Why would you worship an egregore considering it is something you create? you can empower such a thing but to worship it would be silly.

Why do you always focus on the sexual side of Crowleys methods? you repressed or something? you should maybe comment on his use of drugs to expand the mind but there are too many 'truth seekers' in here who do that so I guess you dont wish to evoke their wrath. Maybe you should comment of his use of yoga, pranayama, meditation, etc in order to give your opinion a more rounded completeness.

You will find that a lot of the sexual stuff Crowley wrote about actually has its origin in the tantric teachings of the Hinduism so maybe you should point your finger at the tantras. All Crowley done ws to use that info and modify it at times.

[marpat]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mondo23 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=676595#post676595)
Ive read a few of his biographies, Perdurabo being the best. I gotta say though, Crowley didnt seem all that bad.

......................................

So Mondo if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.


But he also quoted that he done this 150 times in one year alone so maybe there may be something more symbolic about that quote. I know what he means but I cant see the point of telling people in here because they dont want to know the real meaning. You think he would actually write down that he killed 150 kids?

Funny how you tell mondo that Crowley also used the name Perdurabo. Dont you think he is aware of all that stuff if he is in the AA?

[thirdwave]

[I]quote Crowley "I was not content to believe in a personal devil and

serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word.

I wanted to get hold of him personally

and become his chief of staff.


on another thread you where complinging about being called a christian and i brought up a few points as to why that may happen... and here we see it..

Now, you have blatantly taken this quote from a Christian site.. probably this one

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/rolling_stones.htm

and you have taken the quote as if it is Crowley talking about What Satanism is.. and how he serves it...and so on.... But any person who has read Crowley books will know thats odd because Crowley did not belive i9n a being called Satan.. or the Devil.. and so on..

Which lead me to investigate this quote you have put and I discovered that he was quite clearly referring to the time when he stopped being a Christian him self... when he was young and where he lost faith in Jesus.... thus going to "satans" side.. which is what he would have been doing through the christians perspective. :rolleyes:

this is the ignorant and manipulative methods used by Christians to demonise such people... and was part of what motivated Crowley to ram it down there throats and tease them.

here is the whole section where that quote came from... where you will see what he was referring too.


It is impossible to suppose that the character of the school had completely changed between my father's death and my return from the funeral. Yet before that I was completely happy and in sympathy with my surroundings. Not three weeks later, Ishmael was my middle name. I cannot account for it at all satisfactorily. I had been perfectly genuine in my ambition to lead a life of holiness; the idea of intimate communion with "Jesus" was constantly present to my mind. I do not remember any steps in the volte-face. I asked one of the masters one day how it was that Jesus was three days and three nights in the grave, although crucified on Friday and risen again on Sunday morning. He could not explain and said that it had never been explained. So I formulated the ambition to become a shining light in Christianity by doing this thing that had never yet been done. This idea, by the way, is very characteristic. I am totally unable to take any interest in doing anything which has been done before. But tell me of an alleged impossibility; and health, wealth, life itself are nothing. I am out to do it. The apparent discrepancy in the gospel narrative aroused no doubt in my mind as to the literal truth of either of the texts. Indeed, my falling away from grace was not occasioned by any intellectual qualms; I accepted the theology of the Plymouth Brethren. In fact, I could hardly conceive of the existence of people who might doubt it. I simply went over to Satan's side; and to this hour I cannot tell why.

But I found myself as passionately eager to serve my new master as I had been to serve the old.

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/confess/chapter5.html

[chris]

Okies...I really try to stay away from these posts. Though they are funny for me, I don't want to be sucked in to this retarded debate. So I don't care about having the last say (which is really what this whole debate is about). I'll just offer my perspective and leave it at that and will only reply to intelligent posts.

Firstly, if you know where I am coming from, then you'll see that I am not being contradictory at all. It's easy to rationalise that I am some hate filled Christian or some Maxwell reiterator but I am not.

I do find it ridiculous however that it's perfectly okay to bash Christians all day but anyone who gives a critique of Crowley is too stupid to understand his writings, or spiteful or sexually repressed. This is the reason why people go so anti-Crowley, because your sounding like Zealots.

The detachment pro-Crowley people try to display is obviously false because I'm sure if you really were that detached, you wouldn't bother waste so many hours of debate on the subject. I understand what Crowley has wrote, he was good for me to get into other things but there is so much more out there. Instead of mindlessly defending Crowley, why not focus on teachings of paracelsus, Les Philosophers of Nature or simply the Ogdoadic system? They are far better entry levels and far better wrote. My assumption is because the Crowley thing is more of a cult personality than a system which produces consistent results among all practitioners.

Why is Crowley so prominent? Simply because Anti-occult people hate him. If they didn't have people trying to bash him constantly, his main achievement would have simply been the book of law which wouldn't have placed him among the likes of Valentine or John Dee...

I'm just trying to put a little perspective on things.

However, since the anti-Crowley people are using bad arguments, this makes pro-Crowley people think that all their arguments are invalid. He was a puppet of the NWO. Whether he knew it or not. He and Mathers destroyed the Golden Dawn and that was when much of their teachings disappeared. Just look into Jean Dubuis and you'll see exactly to what extent. This is obviously obfuscation. The Crowley debate is a false paradigm.

Yet I am told that I am ignorant to his works simply because I state his obvious pro-nazi positions.

What really discredits the pro-Crowley people is that it is futility to try to progress the debate further because they are unable to accept new evidence. Thirdwave, you told me that Crowleys pro nazi stuff is hearsay...I gave you pro-Crowley sources, Lashtal ffs...Even Crowley people know this stuff (and write about it in their books, just look at Don Milo Duckettes take on the Book of Thoth).

Then you just dismiss John Fullers connections which are very apparent. If he walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then in all probability, he is a duck. Or at least, we are not too stupid to understand his work because we think he's a duck.

Yet you rationalise that 'he played both sides' like a fiddle...This is what I'm talking about, the inability to only see good and make larger and larger excuses not to see what's right in front of you.

If you want to know the source of the 'Black magick against the Germans' rationale, you need to read Duckettes dumbed down version of the book of thoth. He makes extremely large apologies in there.

Another example of the way Crowley apologists rationale is when you said:

"also his racist stuff was not really racist but more pointing out political ignorance..."

LOL. Have you read Book 4? What about the 'Niggers in the Church' quote? Is that pointing out political ignorance? However, you still don't understand where I am coming from, I am not saying he was racist, it was perfectly normal to be a bigot back then, I am just pointing out how far people go to apologise for him when and how they make leaps in their imagination that everyone critisising him doesn't understand him. Most of the time, anti-crowley people see this apologistic attitude and are kind of freaked out by it because of the passive zealotry and denial.

How on earth is gaining knowledge from Eastern Religions, that have been bled out of the west a part of a religion agenda?

For two reasons. The 'yogis' that came over to the west including Frater Perdurabo were very different from what was practiced over there. The Theosophists loved how it could be used to wedge Christianity which is a religion of exclusivity and break it up. I am not defending Christianity as a religion, I am defending it as a thorn in the side of a world religion. The second reason why the West liked yoga was because of it's austerity system. Apart from the panchakarma, these teachings of breath retension and meditation have been around in the west for thousands of years. Now thanks to these 'gurus' it has become less secular and now quackery.

For a small example, here is a short clip of how the Wests fascination with the priest and poverty classes of the east is more rooted in their love of feudalism than how 'wise' these people are.

Dalai Lama, Tibet, and Nazi Germany Collaboration. - YouTube

As for him being a Satanist, this is just as ridiculous. People that call Crowley a Satanist need to understand the occult tradition is for the person to create their own religion based on different archetypal energies. Satan is just as important an energy to the occultists as Kali is seen to the Hindus. This doesn't mean that everything revolves around Satan. Granted, there are groups of people that only want to make their religion about Satan and I agree, this is obviously not going to bring about any kind of balance. Without the Devil, we would not exist because we are made out of matter, we use things of matter which is ruled by the Devil, as the bible says, the Devil is the kind of this plane. This is because we are so inert that we are too absorbed in our materialism to be able to get into the planes ruled by more spiritual unmaterialistic energies, which is the goal of any religion.

Yet this doesn't make you a 'Satanist' per se.

This is why I hate getting involved in these threads, because I get attacked from all sides.

However, I find it so funny that pro Crowley people also try to deny this side of Crowley as though it doesn't exist, this is why anti-crowley people win these little debates. Crowley does teach to call on Satan in that name as I'm sure mondo23 will attest what I am saying is correct since he is a member of the OTO and A.'.A.'.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm not getting into endless dialogue on this thread like on the other ones with the same people and going round in circles with questions I've answered many times already.

I've provided info from many varied sources before. I am not religious and most of my sources and info do not come from Christian sites.

The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands,
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.
Pledge

I swear to work my Work abhorred,

Careless of all but one reward,

The pleasure of the Devil our Lord
(Aleister Crowley, Satanic Extracts, Black Lodge Publishing 1991)

[thirdwave]

Firstly, if you know where I am coming from, then you'll see that I am not being contradictory at all. It's easy to rationalise that I am some hate filled Christian or some Maxwell reiterator but I am not. .. I did not say you where, i pointed out that you were very smiler in some of your comments speculating ..... and that it was odd seeing as in another breath you agreed how so much speculate about him...


I do find it ridiculous however that it's perfectly okay to bash Christians all day but anyone who gives a critique of Crowley is too stupid to understand his writings, or spiteful or sexually repressed. This is the reason why people go so anti-Crowley, because your sounding like Zealots.

and again this is the kind of thing I get from Christians and i wont lie but it bugs me..

ok please can we get this straight as I cant for the life of me work out how some people have this view point you have...

we have

a, The bible
b, Crowley

ok, the bible claims to hold inside the saviour of man kind and it has been the root of most of Western civilisation...its laws... its teachings and its oppressions... it is taught at most schools and in our past it has been forced on us with the threat of death.

and even today, those who believe in it deem those who don't as either very lost or evil... in fact we see many authors, actors, musicians and so on attacked and accused of stuff simply based on their view point and teachings..

ok, Crowley is not held up as everyone's saviour his suporters dont say it.. he did not say it and no one is saying it here, no one is forcing his views or works on anyone... he does not claim to be man kinds saviour in fact taunted people who would be so stupid to worship him...

no one is bashing Christians for what they choose to be... people simply point out it is not the law for all and often get branded as a result...as with all religion. Now, those defending Crowley are doing just that...defending the fact that those who find him interesting or educational are not evil...lost...or tricked....

it is a MASSIVE difference.. you have one side defending the fact that I am being lured by Satan for following the path I choose....

and we have the other side saying... No Im not... your path is not mine..

and yet we get called hypocrites for just pointing out that the bible is NOT my book... and I DON'T think Crowley was the devil....

please explain the hypocrisy because if that is real hypocrisy then we really do live in a frightening world.

please point out where Crowley has tagged people who do not like his work as doomed?

give me a brake.


The detachment pro-Crowley people try to display is obviously false because I'm sure if you really were that detached, you wouldn't bother waste so many hours of debate on the subject.

You have not noticed i have defended other people just as passionatly?... I am defending freedom of info and opinion.... and to not be burdened and limited by Dogma... this is my passion.

I understand what Crowley has wrote, he was good for me to get into other things but there is so much more out there. ok, cool..


Instead of mindlessly defending Crowley
Im not mindlessly defending him at all... you are the one who is extreamy contradicting.. my point is very clear and simple...

, why not focus on teachings of paracelsus, Les Philosophers of Nature or simply the Ogdoadic system? They are far better entry levels and far better wrote. My assumption is because the Crowley thing is more of a cult personality than a system which produces consistent results among all practitioners.
But you have no idea what I read or have read... and no one is saying Crowly is the best.... show us where this has been said...

really, what this debate is...its about Magick... it just so happens he is the most well known.... what people are really saying is occultists are bad... and bring up your preferred occultists and they will also think they are satanists... its just they probably don't know them.

Why is Crowley so prominent? Simply because Anti-occult people hate him. If they didn't have people trying to bash him constantly, his main achievement would have simply been the book of law which wouldn't have placed him among the likes of Valentine or John Dee...
why does it bother you so much... Icke is not the most informative author in this stuff... but he is a person that taps into people are is a face for the movment... you allways get people like that... Crowley inspired most people..so there for he is very well known.. it does not mean he is the king.... he is the target that all... you dont have to read him but you seem to have as much of a problem as people doing so as Christians... just because you prefer other peoples books..

Yet I am told that I am ignorant to his works simply because I state his obvious pro-nazi positions.
I have not said you are ignorent to them... you said he did not really teach much... so kind of walked into a wall with that one... as he obviously did teach a fair bit even if things have moved on since.

What really discredits the pro-Crowley people is that it is futility to try to progress the debate further because they are unable to accept new evidence. Thirdwave, you told me that Crowleys pro nazi stuff is hearsay...I gave you pro-Crowley sources, Lashtal ffs...Even Crowley people know this stuff (and write about it in their books, just look at Don Milo Duckettes take on the Book of Thoth). Does not sound very pro Crowley to me... and no info about it ..just a comment. and why read what Duckettes thinks? .. I have my own take on it.. and i am aware there are many many people who would like to brush the guy off as evil... so why would I go fishing for other peoples views on him? ... I have a rule of thumb... I judge the tree by its fruit not the people standing next to me looking at it and their views... works for me. So its a fact and evidence because there is a small comment on a supposed pro Crowley website?


Then you just dismiss John Fullers connections which are very apparent. If he walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then in all probability, he is a duck. Or at least, we are not too stupid to understand his work because we think he's a duck.
you said he was a pupil I told you he was not...


Yet you rationalise that 'he played both sides' like a fiddle...This is what I'm talking about, the inability to only see good and make larger and larger excuses not to see what's right in front of you.

Why would I join in the propaganda about him being bad??? .. there is enough of it to feed the world??... what would be the point me adding to it when I feel much of his good side goes over looked?

feel free to join in, Im sure you could find 20 books worth.... I am more focused on the parts of the man that went un noticed.. not just because of him.. but because if what he is branded as and how it creates judgement on others..


"also his racist stuff was not really racist but more pointing out political ignorance..."

LOL. Have you read Book 4? What about the 'Niggers in the Church' quote? Is that pointing out political ignorance? However, you still don't understand where I am coming from, I am not saying he was racist, it was perfectly normal to be a bigot back then, I am just pointing out how far people go to apologise for him when and how they make leaps in their imagination that everyone critisising him doesn't understand him.

Ok, so your not pointing out he was a racist... and you go and make an excuse for it your self.... even though you have accused him of being racist!

classic! ;)

if I told you he was a super super super super shit bag... would that make you a bit more happy?


Most of the time, anti-crowley people see this apologistic attitude and are kind of freaked out by it because of the passive zealotry and denial.
anti Crowley people will always be anti Crowley people i don't care... I just like tabling the other side of the story for others as that's what forums are for.



For two reasons. The 'yogis' that came over to the west including Frater Perdurabo were very different from what was practiced over there. The Theosophists loved how it could be used to wedge Christianity which is a religion of exclusivity and break it up. I am not defending Christianity as a religion, I am defending it as a thorn in the side of a world religion. The second reason why the West liked yoga was because of it's austerity system. Apart from the panchakarma, these teachings of breath retension and meditation have been around in the west for thousands of years. Now thanks to these 'gurus' it has become less secular and now quackery.

So why has his methods been so effective and used then??, are you saying the people you like to read about dont follow similar things???

I have to say I find you quite confusing..



This is why I hate getting involved in these threads, because I get attacked from all sides.

and so you should!

you have no point other than to agree and disagree with every point!... my advice is to either walk away or at least have a certain stance and stay there.

However, I find it so funny that pro Crowley people also try to deny this side of Crowley as though it doesn't exist

Well I find it funny that you ignore everyone's comments on how he was not perfect.. for example I called him a bit of a shit bag... but it seemed that was not enough for you.... you wanted more.. Im simply telling you that's all you'll get! .. you come across like the occutists who had it in for him ... like a rivalry thing.... "my teachers better than you"

:rolleyes:

[meksar]

The vids seem to have gone missing here they are again, this is a half arsed documentary of the human beast.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTuZnpy15Q

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qiadoFtiTaQ&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u7agCE6O-p8&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeCAciuNTY&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7jvZwFyR8cc&feature=related

[chris]

Ok, so your not pointing out he was a racist... and you go and make an excuse for it your self.... even though you have accused him of being racist!

classic! ;)

No, if you read where I am coming from...I am giving examples of where defenders of Crowley make large leaps of the imagination to defend him. I wasn't saying he was evil for being racist, I was saying that nowadays, you have people making up stupid apologies for him.

like a rivalry thing.... "my teachers better than you"

:rolleyes:

My premise is that the Mathers, Crowley thing was to disdirect peoples interest in the occult where a lot of the main teachings were no longer taught. Alchemy became all about symbols and astrology became all about natal charts. Where these were central things before.

This is why I say these other people were better, try reading them for yourself and see.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mondo23 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=676595#post676595)
Ive read a few of his biographies, Perdurabo being the best. I gotta say though, Crowley didnt seem all that bad.

......................................

So Mondo if one of the other names Crowley used for himself was Frater Perdurabo read this quote below and it will become clear.

From The Magick, in Paris, France:

"...it was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal , and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly. The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape...For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim." (Magick, by Master Therion, published in 1929 by the Lecram Press, Paris, France)

A footnote on p. 95 says: "(4) It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that he made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928.

So this is the best proof so far that he was involved in human sacrifice, a self confession it would see, any other proof?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.peacockangel.net/images/asanders.jpgI was in for a surprise when Alex Sanders offered to show me his Wiccan temple. I was visiting the famous magician and self-styled King of the Witches at his cottage in the Old Town at Bexhill-on-Sea, in Sussex, in 1978, to interview him for a national magazine. He was pleasant and amusing and we'd already had a couple of drinks at his favourite nearby pub, The Bell.
‘This is where it all happens,’ he said with a mischievous smile as he opened the door to the temple. Remarkably, I found it was furnished almost completely with Christian items, including statues of Christ and the Virgin Mary.

‘Even some witches have told me it’s blasphemous to practise witchcraft in what looks like a Christian chapel‚’ he said. ‘But for me, Christ represents the Sun God and Mary the Earth Mother. Christianity and witchcraft may seem very different, but underneath they have a lot in common. I didn't deliberately gather all these Christian objects, I might add. It was quite strange. Soon after I moved in here, over a short period various people suddenly started offering them to me. Others were mysteriously left in the garden. It was as if some higher power had decreed that's how my temple should be.’

At the time, Alex, then aged 52, had a partner who was a young male civil servant.
'I love him utterly,’ he maintained. 'He was married to a beautiful girl, but she didn't stand a chance against me. He was dressed as a skinhead when I first met him four years ago, with the regulation shaven head, bovver boots and turned-up jeans. Today, he is a presentable young man. Women give me fulfillment, but I find happiness with men.'

His well known bi-sexuality, it's suggested, may have resulted from an experience as a boy with the infamous occultist and reputed 'Wickedest Man in the World', Aleister Crowley.
Sanders had been initiated as a witch, he claimed, at aged just seven, by his witch grandmother, Mary Bibby, whom he had chanced on standing naked in the kitchen in a circle drawn on the floor.

'She ordered me to strip naked and enter the circle,’ he recalled. ‘She carried out a ritual and then on her instructions, as I bent down with my head between my thighs she nicked my scrotum with a knife and said “You are one of us now.” She later gave me her Book of Shadows to copy into my own and taught me all the rites'.

At ten, she took him to London to meet Aleister Crowley, whom she knew.
'She left me with Crowley for the night and he carried out some of his sex magic with me,’ said Alex. 'It wasn't a very nice experience. To me, as a young boy, he was just a horrible, smelly, old man. Before I left he tattooed his “mark of the beast” on my hand. It's still there. It hardly
turned me off sex though. At one time when I was still in London with my second wife, Maxine, I also had two mistresses and nine male lovers. It's a much quieter life here in Bexhill-on-Sea. My current coven is only five-strong and just one of them is a woman.'

Outrageous and a born showman as he was, Alex Sanders has to be credited with publicising modern witchcraft and, indeed, founding in the 196Os its flourishing Alexandrian branch of Wicca to rival the existing Gardnerian of Gerald Gardner. Although some of his magic was 'grey’, he insisted to me that most of it was 'white’, often aimed at healing people. He told me that
while at Bexhill he had helped a number of drug addicts to get off heavy drugs and cured a woman of cystitis by simply placing his hands on her head and 'willing her illness away'.
He also claimed to have used magic to help women with fertility problems and people just having trouble getting a job.

But with a wicked grin he did admit that on occasion he got rid of people's warts by magically transferring them to somebody else he didn't like. His favourite targets for this, he revealed, were passing traffic wardens! And friends maintained that he had only to whistle the funeral march at someone who had upset him to have them in hospital within the week.

(*Jack Pleasant adds: ‘I came to be fond of Alex Sanders and to consider him an entertaining friend. It pleased him when on occasion, I called on him bearing a bottle of the appalling, to my taste, cheap, sweet, white Spanish wine that he enjoyed. I missed him when he died in 1988, choosing the significant Wiccan date to pass on to the Summerlands of April 3Oth -
Beltane Eve.')

http://www.peacockangel.net/sanders.htm

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=449851&postcount=29

[mondo23]

So this is the best proof so far that he was involved in human sacrifice, a self confession it would see, any other proof?

Crowley was talking about masturbation not human sacrifice. That one gets wheeled out alot to paint Crowley as the evil sicko they so want him to be.
Anyone who takes some time in learning Crowleys system will soon realise that is what he was talking about. Its really not hard to see, even if you want so much to believe that he sacrificed children.
Go read Purderabo, if you can find a copy. Or Do What Thou Wilt by Lawrence Sutten is nearly as good. Theyre both well balanced and objective studies of the man.

[eternal_spirit]

Sorry but I don't buy Crowley was talking about masturbation, many have tried to convince me of this before. Human sacrifice is real and documented and still happens Today. And was also part of some religious rituals going back thousands of years.

[thirdwave]

Sorry but I don't buy Crowley was talking about masturbation, many have tried to convince me of this before. Human sacrifice is real and documented and still happens Today. And was also part of some religious rituals going back thousands of years.

have you read the relevant section in the book?.. if so shall we descuss it and see if we can conclude what he meant? ... there has to be texts on line somewhere....

[marpat]

So this is the best proof so far that he was involved in human sacrifice, a self confession it would see, any other proof?

If you believe that it is one then you are as dull as the people Crowley used to poke fun at back in the old days. I suppose he is an easy target for people trying to prove that he is part of some great evil plan. Pity dead men cant defend themselves against their accusers.

[marpat]

Sorry but I don't buy Crowley was talking about masturbation, many have tried to convince me of this before. Human sacrifice is real and documented and still happens Today. And was also part of some religious rituals going back thousands of years.


For somebody so concerned about the truth you seem to show no interest in tackling such things from anything but a literal angle. Considering so much of Crowleys work involves symblism you would think that people might look at his writing as if it were expressing ideas through symbols.

I guess if you were reading a bible that sort of attitude would convince you that Jesus was a sheep.

[thirdwave]

the bottom line is ... evil or not evil... most of the things used to "prove" he was evil are simply just lack of knowing what he was talking about and seeing it be twisted and so on...

if it turns out he was evil, none of the accusers would have been on the right track anyway... this is what gets me..

[eternal_spirit]

To all ya

Not sure but the sacrifice quote can also be found in the book "magick in theory and practice" And I know it's in Icke's books.

It's possible evidence.

[thirdwave]

ask anyone about crowley and they will say. "oh that evil bloke"... ask anyone about the bible and they will say "book about god" (although less nowadays thank god) and yet some are looking at this thread now and thinking we are contradicting attacking the bible and defending somone such as Crowley...

the bible actual promotes rituals totaly of a "satanic nature" in the OT and it has been praised for many years.... yet Crowley book is the "book of the devil" and he has been feared for years....

say anything to tilt the scale and you are being a hypocrite... this is how deep religion has imprinted its self.

the funny thing is one of the whole points of Crowley was just how hypocritical the bible thumpers are... and how religion is.... and yet to say it and try to expose it and you are wrong...

here is the issue, Get this, I am not a HUGE Crowley fan.... I simply find him fascinating and intelligent and not what he is made out to be... With this stance here I am years later defending the right to think that..... and this is the issue I have... not that people should love him ...or what ever... its up to them... But its how you feel this sense of oppression come your way by simply reading the guys book... no one wants you to think for your self they want to try and brainwash you into seeing it how they do....

and this is the relevant issue and is exactly the kind of thing Crowley pointed out... and its ironic that those who he pointed out are the ones that have an oppressive view towards people like my self.

[marpat]

To all ya

Not sure but the sacrifice quote can also be found in the book "magick in theory and practice" And I know it's in Icke's books.

It's possible evidence.


Of course its in Magic in Theory and Practise. The fact is that Crowley did write that but it is not literal. The fact that its an an Icke book makes no difference at all. I hardly expect david would have any interest in what the symbolism is about and would happily take it at face value.

It always amazes me when people go on about the media bending peoples opinions by casting social rebels as bad people but the media hype that was pointed at Crowley is treated as if it is completely factual.

[titurel]

One of David Icke's many comments on Aleister Crowley in "The Biggest Secret":

Crowley left his former tutor, MacGregor Mathers, a broken man as he embarked on a psychic war against him. They both conjured up ‘demons’ to attack the other, but Mathers lost out. Such psychic wars are very much part of the Brotherhood armoury today. They war psychically with each other, but overwhelmingly with the population and people who are challenging their power. I have experienced such attacks myself and I understand how they can kill people in this way. Crowley’s communicators would also take over the psyches of Adolf Hitler and other architects of Nazism.

[thirdwave]

So this is the best proof so far that he was involved in human sacrifice, a self confession it would see, any other proof?

To all ya

Not sure but the sacrifice quote can also be found in the book "magick in theory and practice" And I know it's in Icke's books.

It's possible evidence.

lol no its not, only if you are desperate for it to be and feel free to do so...

The quote came from his "book 4" and has he has brought it up in many books... magick in theory and practice also..

now, I have managed to find a book talking about that quote and also included some other quotes from that section... here

what do you think?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-07yFC31j6wC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=%22the+intelligence+and+innocence+of+that+male+ child+are+the+perfect+understanding+of+the+Magicia n,+his+one+aim,+without+lust+of+result.%22&source=web&ots=P4KWiM0BIk&sig=yqK7Mu_z9eXySnTkha-wYMjMx60&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

[chris]

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/can-o-worms.gif

Just wait 'till thirdwave, marpet and eternal spirit get here;)

Heheh:D

It's now the quietness before the storm..

Only a matter of time..:D

It's in full swing now:D

[schaff]

Just a question tw and marpat why do you belive so emphatically that aleister crowley was not involved in ritual sacrafice and why do you defend him .

[thirdwave]

Just a question tw and marpat why do you belive so emphatically that aleister crowley was not involved in ritual sacrafice and why do you defend him .

why do I believe so emphatically??

its not a case of what I believe... I did not know the man personally so do not know anything %100 about him...

and like I have already pointed out a staggering amount of times.. I do not believe he was perfect.. not at all....

and like i have pointed out many times also, Its not that I think Crowley was our savour and that everyone should listen to him and so on.. ...

My point is that the MSM has clearly manipulated how the guy is seen... and how he did not really care as he knew only the open minded people who think for them sevles would give his work the time of day anyway... the rest he was not bothered about and did not value.. the amount if hear say and fabrication written and said about him as massive... so many contradicting views and stories pulled from so little... and in most cases its because he hits a spot the vast majority of people don't like looking at.

Now, Why do I believe he was not involved in child sacrifice?...

because his philosophy did not really require or support it... and he did not approve of things such as abortion let alone child sacrifice... and there is also no real evidence to point towards him doing so.. other than Christians falling hook line and sinker for provocative texts which are clearly taken out of context... Why would he let it know if he was so in the pack?... he has denyed supporting such acts in several texts... so why come out with it if he really is doing it?... did the elite want people to know?... why was he booted out of Italy for it yet not prosecuted? why was he tried to be booted out of England but not Prosecuted... 2 of the big illuminati countries..

the bible thumper's will be happy to complane dodgy bible texts are taken out of context even when there is nothing else in the context to clarify them! .. yet they do it all the time to try and paint a picture of him for others to be mislead by.

the truth is I don't know for sure as i have never met him, What I do know is the things used to point the finger at him are not sufficient, its just ignorance and distrust...

I go by what the guy teached and his outlook, not his poetry... not other peoples views on him... and not a Christians take on him, not by a long shot.

and as an outcome I personally do not think he sacrificed Children even though Im sure there are a good few harsh things he was likely to have done in his life...

But my point here is not saying I know this... its just saying the finger pointers are pointing at the wrong things and should at least try and be honest about it all rather than desperately create what ever they can with the aim of manipulating how others see him.

the fact is some WANT to think he done it so they can dismiss his works... as if they got him wrong then they are afraid they are not learning something, which you can actually do, even from arse holes..

[titurel]

From David Ickes' book, The Biggest Secret:

The world’s most famous Satanist, Aleister Crowley, who had connections to both Winston Churchill and the Nazis, advocated human sacrifice and admitted to sacrificing children. In his 1929 book, Magick In Theory And Practice, he explains the reasons for ritual death and why small boys are the best victims:

“It was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of this animal this energy is liberated suddenly. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.”12

Crowley adds in a footnote that according to the records of the Satanist, Frater Perurabo, he performed just such a sacrifice 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928. Think about that. It means that this one man ritually sacrificed almost 2,500 young boys in that period alone. Do you still wonder what happens to many of the millions, yes millions, of children who go missing every year all over the world never to be heard of again? And that’s without all of those bred for sacrifice that the public knows nothing about. We can begin to see that the estimates of ritual sacrifices every year are no exaggeration. Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person’s energy and consciousness. In olden times they called it “soul snatching”.

[titurel]

David Icke, The Biggest Secret:


David Berkowitz, the serial killer in New York known as the Son of Sam, has written that he was part of a Satanic group which had orchestrated the murders. In letters to a church minister, Berkowitz said:

“...this group contained a mixture of Satanic practices, including the teachings of Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi (another notorious Satanist). It was (and still is) totally blood orientated... The coven’s doctrines are a blend of ancient Druidism, teachings of the secret order of the Golden Dawn, black magick, and a host of other unlawful and obnoxious practices...

Satanists (genuine ones) are peculiar people. They aren’t ignorant peasants or semiliterate natives. Rather, their ranks are filled with doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and basically highly responsible citizens... They are not a careless group who are apt to make mistakes. But they are secretive and bonded together by a common need and desire to mete out havoc on society. It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.”44

Satanism is the creation of the reptilians, the ‘fallen angels’, and interestingly they also had a son of Sam according to a one thousand-year-old account.

[marpat]

Just a question tw and marpat why do you belive so emphatically that aleister crowley was not involved in ritual sacrafice and why do you defend him .

This is a truth forum is it not yet so many people only wish to try and promote a specific viewpoint, namely that Crowley was some child killer. Do you really think that if he did this he would have wrote about it in his books? where are all the bodies? both he and his associates were parents so do you not think that they might feel a bit of disgust at the idea and turn him in? if you read up on him you will find that many of his pupils turned against him so why did they not report him for such murders?

Often Crowley would write stuff to deliberately shock the establishment, you only have to read his stuff to see that it was intended to provoke such a reaction from repressed minds.

Maybe you should not believe the written word too literally, especially when dealing with people who write in terms of symbols.

[marpat]

David Icke, The Biggest Secret:

Icke is hardly an subject expert. He looks at the superficial picture without making any attempt to discover what the real meanings are. Do you let Icke do your thinking for you? read up on Crowley and make your own mind up? Icke tends to take the quotes he wants to push his theory but never puts them into context or explains why such comments may have been made.

Crowley went through a lot of negative experiences in his life that shaped him, especially his rebellion against his fanatically christian mother. He wrote things which were born out of that rebellion. The thing is though that his career in magic was quite long and his mind and attitudes changed many times in that period but people keep posting comments about what he wrote in only one short time frame and then act as if such comments were true through the whole of his life. There was a time when he looked down on women as almost soulless but later in his career that all changed and he developed a sense of equality regarding them. He did write some negative stuff but that did not govern his whole outlook and philosophy.

Try reading some of his material with an open mind. When you read Ickes books he exhorts people to look at his material with an open mind as if you questioned a lot of the stuff I doubt you would get to the end. Try using the same sense of open mindedness on Crowleys work. Try starting with Liber Oz, the rights of man.

[thirdwave]

David Icke, The Biggest Secret:

why did AC say that?

Thats just icke bringing up brought up from his books years ago?.. what does this prove? .. I dont see you quoting his texts about how the bible is a corrupt book and Jesus probably did not exists... was he wrong in that part?

[titurel]

He did write some negative stuff but that did not govern his whole outlook and philosophy.
Don't believe you in respect to him not being governed by his negative outlook...

It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.”44

[thirdwave]

Don't believe you in respect to him not being governed by his negative outlook...

It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.”44

well lets discuss the quote... where it was said... why he said it and how it is presented in his works... see if we can get clarification...

so lets be fair...

Lets take this quote from your beloved bible.. NT



Matthew

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law

10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.


Now, lets examine both quotes... fair? , see where both sides are coming from and we might get clarification on what is being said and why...

As I think it is very important that when one researchers Crowley, especially his "satanic" and rebellious natured stuff, its important to note what his opposition was and who it was scrutinising his works and who he was very much happy to offend and upset.

How about turning it into a research thread? .. lets actually examine these quotes and see what they are based on..? get to the bottom of it so to speak?

[marpat]

Don't believe you in respect to him not being governed by his negative outlook...

It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.”44

But when did he say that and why? that did not govern the whole of his magical life. It is easy to pick up little quotes but to put them into a context is another thing. Lets see some context.

[marpat]

Here is a good site. Many Crowley ebooks so you can read them for free and then decide if he is still a bad guy. All that is required is a little time.

http://www.occult-underground.com/crowley.html

[thirdwave]

also here


http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Crowley%2C%20Aleister%2C%201875-1947

[mondo23]

Don't believe you in respect to him not being governed by his negative outlook...

It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.”44


There's a bit missing off the end of that sentence. It should read:

'I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad OR GOOD BUT STRONG.'

I havent got time to post the full passage that he wrote but it puts that sentence in the right context.

I will post it when I have more time.

[eternal_spirit]

Think this is it. Channeled messages which is the basis for Crowley's the book of law

Crowley’s communication said that the old age of Osiris was being replaced by the new age of Horus. But it said the old age would first have to be destroyed by barbarism and the Earth bathed in blood. There would be a world war, he was told. The Book Of The Law taught of a race of supermen and condemned the old religions, pacifism, democracy, compassion, and humanitarianism. “Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known”, the ‘superman’ continued.
The message went on: “We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”2



Crowley apparently tried to ignore what he had written with his guided hand, but it would not go away, and from 1909 on he began to take it seriously. Very seriously. He said: “After five years of folly and weakness, miss-called politeness, tact, discretion, care for the feeling of others, 0 I am weary of it. I say today: to hell with Christianity, rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring you a positive and primeval fact, Magic by name; and with this I will build me a new heaven and new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good, but strong.”

[eternal_spirit]

Negative intent/black magick


The basics are - Satanic black magic sex magic, rape, these and torture rituals and human sacrifice creates fear and negative emotions which bridges the gap and connects the people participating in rituals to the lower astral/dimensions/frequencies where the reptilians/demonic entities/spirits reside who feed off the negative energies/emotions these rituals create.

Depends on the intent, sometimes it can be to allow possession of the people by reptilians/demons/entities.

Another reason is for the magician to absorb the victims life force or to drink the blood which contains adrenal-chrome which is produced by the adrenal/pituitary glands the more fear and pain created before the moment of death the larger amount of adrenal-chrome is produced, adrenaline is produced in times of fear. These magicians maybe possessed by reptilians/demons hence the need to drink blood and sacrifice etc.

Sex magic and none sacrifice at the point of orgasm the kundalini (aka serpent force) and chakras also create sexual energy (life force what ever name you want to give it) which is absorbed by the magician/Satanist etc, it's basically draining the victims spiritual energies. These methods can also be used at the point of sacrifice/death humans or animals can be used.

They may let the victim live and feed off their energy time and time again, also Satanic ritual Abuse (SRA) is a way to programme mind controlled slave to create Multiple personality Disorder (MPD) aka altars (Which are new personalities as many as they can cram in their if they need to be used to play different rolls/characters/acts - a few would be to be a prostitute/sex slave, or Manchurian candidate assassin)

The MPD's can be triggered via hypnosis cues, hand signals keywords, and sexual abuse, to access which ever personality of the mind controlled slave they want to, for whatever task.

The Victim will have no memory of switching personalities and can be given codes/cues words etc to switch back to their true self/personality of another altar (personality)

Its believed that via the higher Freemasonic rituals the Masons become possessed by entities, this maybe where the term Luciferian conciousness fits in, Lucifer sits at the top of the Illuminanti Pyramid, and that's also symbolic of the higher degrees.

[mondo23]

Think this is it. Channeled messages which is the basis for Crowley's the book of law

Crowley’s communication said that the old age of Osiris was being replaced by the new age of Horus. But it said the old age would first have to be destroyed by barbarism and the Earth bathed in blood. There would be a world war, he was told. The Book Of The Law taught of a race of supermen and condemned the old religions, pacifism, democracy, compassion, and humanitarianism. “Let my servants be few and secret: They shall rule the many and the known”, the ‘superman’ continued.
The message went on: “We have nothing with the outcasts and the unfit; let them die in their misery, for they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the world... Love one another with burning hearts; on the low men trample in the fierce lust of your pride in the day of your wrath... Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not; I hate the consoled and the consoler...

“I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned and dead. Amen... therefore strike hard and low and to hell with them, master... Lurk! Withdraw! Upon them! This is the law of the battle of conquest; thus shall my worship be about my secret house... Worship me with fire and blood; worship me with swords and with spears.

Let the woman be gurt with a sword before me; let blood flow in my name. Trample down the heathen; be upon them, O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat... Sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child... kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!.”2



Crowley apparently tried to ignore what he had written with his guided hand, but it would not go away, and from 1909 on he began to take it seriously. Very seriously. He said: “After five years of folly and weakness, miss-called politeness, tact, discretion, care for the feeling of others, 0 I am weary of it. I say today: to hell with Christianity, rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring you a positive and primeval fact, Magic by name; and with this I will build me a new heaven and new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good, but strong.”


Straight out of The Biggest Secret.

[eternal_spirit]

Straight out of The Biggest Secret.
They are Crowley quotes from himself originally.

[chris]

I wonder how many members of the oto are on this forum. I've seen at least 5 different members use the OTO's secretive egregore as communication on here. Some extremely blatantly.

[marpat]

I wonder how many members of the oto are on this forum. I've seen at least 5 different members use the OTO's secretive egregore as communication on here. Some extremely blatantly.

Well I am a member and have never concealed the fact.

[marpat]

Negative intent/black magick


The basics are - Satanic black magic sex magic, rape, these and torture rituals and human sacrifice creates fear and negative emotions which bridges the gap and connects the people participating in rituals to the lower astral/dimensions/frequencies where the reptilians/demonic entities/spirits reside who feed off the negative energies/emotions these rituals create.

Depends on the intent, sometimes it can be to allow possession of the people by reptilians/demons/entities.

Another reason is for the magician to absorb the victims life force or to drink the blood which contains adrenal-chrome which is produced by the adrenal/pituitary glands the more fear and pain created before the moment of death the larger amount of adrenal-chrome is produced, adrenaline is produced in times of fear. These magicians maybe possessed by reptilians/demons hence the need to drink blood and sacrifice etc.

Sex magic and none sacrifice at the point of orgasm the kundalini (aka serpent force) and chakras also create sexual energy (life force what ever name you want to give it) which is absorbed by the magician/Satanist etc, it's basically draining the victims spiritual energies. These methods can also be used at the point of sacrifice/death humans or animals can be used.

They may let the victim live and feed off their energy time and time again, also Satanic ritual Abuse (SRA) is a way to programme mind controlled slave to create Multiple personality Disorder (MPD) aka altars (Which are new personalities as many as they can cram in their if they need to be used to play different rolls/characters/acts - a few would be to be a prostitute/sex slave, or Manchurian candidate assassin)

The MPD's can be triggered via hypnosis cues, hand signals keywords, and sexual abuse, to access which ever personality of the mind controlled slave they want to, for whatever task.

The Victim will have no memory of switching personalities and can be given codes/cues words etc to switch back to their true self/personality of another altar (personality)

Its believed that via the higher Freemasonic rituals the Masons become possessed by entities, this maybe where the term Luciferian conciousness fits in, Lucifer sits at the top of the Illuminanti Pyramid, and that's also symbolic of the higher degrees.

What is the source of this because it dounds like dog shit. I think you read too much written by people who dont really know what they are talking about but who can create a fearsome illusion. Straight out of one of Ickes books no doubt.

Why do you always focus on sex in magic? are you repressed? do you think that sex is some ugly experience? is this the depth of you christian programming, that you promote their views while believing yourself to be non-religious?

[chris]

Well I am a member and have never concealed the fact.

Isn't that against your oath?

I actually forgot to include you. There are quite a few on these threads because they use the number 93 as a kind of signal.

Obviously they could be fake OTO members or simply just understand the number in the same way but I've seen many people here use it. Not talking about that guy who used it here earlier, he also said he was a member but I've seen people use it on Crowley threads (before Crowley brought such a huge debate every time his name was mentioned) that pretended they had no affiliations with the OTO.

[marpat]

Isn't that against your oath?

I actually forgot to include you. There are quite a few on these threads because they use the number 93 as a kind of signal.

Obviously they could be fake OTO members or simply just understand the number in the same way but I've seen many people here use it. Not talking about that guy who used it here earlier, he also said he was a member but I've seen people use it on Crowley threads (before Crowley brought such a huge debate every time his name was mentioned) that pretended they had no affiliations with the OTO.

It is not against my oath to say I am a member. Why would it be, its not a secret organisation.

93 is not a signal it is the numerical form of the thelemic greeting. There is no requirement to use it but many people do. Here is an explanation:

http://www.angelfire.com/mo3/93meaning/

[chris]

For anyone that doesn't know...Thelemites greet each other by saying "93," it's a bit like saying "Salutations" or "Hello/Goodbye."

And then some say "93 93/93" which is a bit longer winded:D

[chris]

It is not against my oath to say I am a member. Why would it be, its not a secret organisation.

93 is not a signal it is the numerical form of the thelemic greeting. There is no requirement to use it but many people do. Here is an explanation:

http://www.angelfire.com/mo3/93meaning/

Yes, I know the explanation;) Surely it's a little bit retarded to say it if your not in the oto?

[marpat]

Yes, I know the explanation;) Surely it's a little bit retarded to say it if your not in the oto?

Why would people say they are in it if they are not? I dont get people like that.

[chris]

I don't think people are 'saying' it but seem to be implying it with the 93 gesture...

[marpat]

I don't think people are 'saying' it but seem to be implying it with the 93 gesture...


I would guess that there are some people who wish to be thelemites but dont want to join any organisation. The is no compulsion for people to do so. As the gesture is thelemic rather than OTO then I cant see any conflict.

[eternal_spirit]

For anyone that doesn't know...Thelemites greet each other by saying "93," it's a bit like saying "Salutations" or "Hello/Goodbye."

And then some say "93 93/93" which is a bit longer winded:D

Yes I've seen the greetings. Long bit like these threads.

[eternal_spirit]

What is the source of this because it dounds like dog shit. I think you read too much written by people who dont really know what they are talking about but who can create a fearsome illusion. Straight out of one of Ickes books no doubt.

Why do you always focus on sex in magic? are you repressed? do you think that sex is some ugly experience? is this the depth of you christian programming, that you promote their views while believing yourself to be non-religious?

The only excrement here is your reply.

I don't do Bible and not a follower of any religion or programmed. Unlike yourself.

Ignores the weird sexual comments.

[marpat]

The only excrement here is your reply.

I don't do Bible and not a follower of any religion or programmed. Unlike yourself.

Ignores the weird sexual comments.

But you are still totally conditioned by the christian sexual dgomas.

The fact that you ignore the sex question does tend to make me think you have problems addressing issues which are linked to sex.

[eternal_spirit]

But you are still totally conditioned by the christian sexual dgomas.

The fact that you ignore the sex question does tend to make me think you have problems addressing issues which are linked to sex.



Doubt you'd consider the Catholic Gnotsic OTO to have issues, thought they where Christian?

[thirdwave]

Doubt you'd consider the Catholic Gnotsic OTO to have issues, thought they where Christian?

??????????????

[mondo23]

Isn't that against your oath?

I actually forgot to include you. There are quite a few on these threads because they use the number 93 as a kind of signal.

Obviously they could be fake OTO members or simply just understand the number in the same way but I've seen many people here use it. Not talking about that guy who used it here earlier, he also said he was a member but I've seen people use it on Crowley threads (before Crowley brought such a huge debate every time his name was mentioned) that pretended they had no affiliations with the OTO.

Are you reffering to me? Im with A.'. A.'. not OTO. The people I know who are in OTO are good people. There's nothing secret about it. In fact they welcome non-members to visit and watch if they wish to, especially the Gnostic Mass.
93. 93 93/93 is the way that Thelemites greet each other. Again, nothing secret about it. Its gematria (breaking down words into numerical values) and it means, Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law. Love is the Law. Love Under Will.

[chris]

Yes thanks Mondo for making that clear.

It's interesting how a high proportion of David Icke supporters are interested in thelema and the other way around...

Why is that I wonder...

[marpat]

Doubt you'd consider the Catholic Gnotsic OTO to have issues, thought they where Christian?

So you are not denying that your sexual outlook is the root of deeply programmed repressive christian dogma.

Well if the gnostic catholics are christian why do they not call upon Jesus, neither recite from the new testament, neither follow the laws of the church? The gnostic mass is thelemic and uses text from the book of the law.

Why would Crowley be at pains to state that christ is a composite myth and then form a christian church?

[marpat]

Yes thanks Mondo for making that clear.

It's interesting how a high proportion of David Icke supporters are interested in thelema and the other way around...

Why is that I wonder...

Becasue we are free to choose what we read. It is not the case for everybody though for some will read the few snippets from Ickes books and decide that Crowley was evil without ever reading a single one of his books. Now if we were to attack Ickes person by quoting snippets from his books and taking them out of context then people would be raging and telling us to read his books. I gues it depends on how programmed a person is whether they read what they want to or what they are told to.

[ThierryHenry]

Becasue we are free to choose what we read. It is not the case for everybody though for some will read the few snippets from Ickes books and decide that Crowley was evil without ever reading a single one of his books. Now if we were to attack Ickes person by quoting snippets from his books and taking them out of context then people would be raging and telling us to read his books. I gues it depends on how programmed a person is whether they read what they want to or what they are told to.


I'm under the general impression he was a bad guy. But I have to say this:

I couldn't really give a shit.

I see these next few years as an opportunity for progression. Whether or not a crafted teacher was a bad guy doesn't interest me. It's the knowledge he held and was willing pass on which I find important.

Impartiality is key to progression.

[thirdwave]

Yes thanks Mondo for making that clear.

It's interesting how a high proportion of David Icke supporters are interested in thelema and the other way around...

Why is that I wonder...

because as much as icke has made his choice to judge the man is a certain way.... he is very much of the philosophy that I can read as many of his books as i choose if its what I so wish...

I personally think that Icke has not really gone into depth on him... while researching some of the black magicians in the PTB he calls "Satanists" I think he came across some christians info and just judged him from those sources... maybe he would tell me that's not the case... but it just seems for somone so open minded he has left a blank spot there...

I must admit though... Im not to sure if he even needed to go into Crowley, he gets enough shit as it is without more christians on his case trying to make out he is an agent.... I think Icke does a good job regardless.... he may get the odd thing wrong, but his main point is to think for your self and go out and look for your self... which is kind of like a fail safe method.

I will always have time for Icke.

[marpat]

I'm under the general impression he was a bad guy. But I have to say this:

I couldn't really give a shit.

I see these next few years as an opportunity for progression. Whether or not a crafted teacher was a bad guy doesn't interest me. It's the knowledge he held and was willing pass on which I find important.

Impartiality is key to progression.

But that is one of the major issues. People focus on the person and not the message or act as if the person and the message are the same thing. Crowley did mess things up at time which is clear when you read his diaries but the overall message is the important point.

If people find value in the information and methods given then that is enough.

[meksar]

Marpat rejects the gathering amount of evidence that links to this mans act of cruelty and outright evil, the Luciferian's are typically misguided and selfish individuals who learn how to enjoy satanically inspired acts of inhumanity.

[thirdwave]

Marpat rejects the gathering amount of evidence that links to this mans act of cruelty and outright evil, the Luciferian's are typically misguided and selfish individuals who learn how to enjoy satanically inspired acts of inhumanity.

Evidence?

that's just the point, there is NONE.

no one is denying he was affiliated with governments and secret societies no one is denying he was sometimes unpleasant with faults to his character.. but if you would research the man properly you will see its not so clear cut as you would like to think.... or m any seem to think this is the case...

I have enjoyed reading Crowley's works and I'm not selfish...

Im interested to hear these Satanically inspired acts I am meant to be enjoying... do tell!!

[chris]

Just drop the thing already. Your wasting your fecking lives debating Aleister CRowley, just leave it! He's probably the most overated person in the world.

[marpat]

Marpat rejects the gathering amount of evidence that links to this mans act of cruelty and outright evil, the Luciferian's are typically misguided and selfish individuals who learn how to enjoy satanically inspired acts of inhumanity.


And you condemn somebody before you have made a full study of their work. I hope you never get put on jury service.

Nobody is perfect, there is no teacher who is faultless. Crowley was one of the rare few who actually admit their own failings and weaknesses.

Back to the sheep pen with you.

[meksar]

Crowley was a sick puppy along with the rest of these dark occult networks that consult with baphomet's and demons/reptilians.

[thirdwave]

Crowley was a sick puppy along with the rest of these dark occult networks that consult with baphomet's and demons/reptilians.

i would have thought a sick puppy was quite harmless....

for the record reading crowleys works done me no damgage whats so ever.. I think Robert Anton Wilson... (another one you would call a Satanist) summed him up well here..


JN: Much of your early writing is influenced by Aleister Crowley (pictured left) - do you have any reservations about him?

RAW: In Cosmic Trigger I, I said that Crowley's philosophy as a combination of anarchism, fascism, and anti-Christian propaganda is not very congenial to my form of Libertarianism. So I've always tried to make a distinction between his method and his philosophy. He is part anarchist, part fascist - I like the anarchist bit.

JN: One Crowleyite told me that Crowley's magick is 'qliphophthically booby-trapped'.

RAW: I've heard that - I don't agree with it. I've done a lot of Crowley rituals and I don't see any sign yet that I've been obsessed, possessed or otherwise taken over by qliphophthic energies or entities. I think it's a paranoid anti-Crowley idea that's been spread, and like much else in that field has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're worried that Crowley's system is booby-trapped, and you start fooling around with it, you're likely to suffer hallucinations that you are being attacked by demons. Similarly the fears of the dangers of LSD can precipitate a bad trip.

[drael]

Quotes, random, crowley...

Law of liberty:

``Every man and every woman is a star.'' We are all free, all independent, all shining gloriously, each one a radiant world. Is not that good tidings?

Then comes the first call of the Great Goddess Nuit, Lady of the Starry Heaven, who is also Matter in its deepest metaphysical sense, who is the infinite in whom all we live and move and have our being. Hear Her first summons to us men and women: ``Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy.'' Later She explains the mystery of sorrow: ``For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.''

``This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all.''

It is shown later how this can be, how death itself is an ecstasy like love, but more intense, the reunion of the soul with its true self.

And what are the conditions of this joy, and peace, and glory? Is ours the gloomy asceticism of the Christian, and the Buddhist, and the Hindu? Are we walking in eternal fear lest some ``sin'' should cut us off from ``grace''? By no means.

``Be goodly therefore: dress ye all in fine apparel; eat rich foods and drink sweet wines and wines that foam! Also, take your fill and will of love as ye will, when, where, and with whom ye will! But always unto me.''

This is the only point to bear in mind, that every act must be a ritual, an act of worship, a sacrament. Live as the kings and princes, crowned and uncrowned, of this world, have always lived, as masters always live; but let it not be self-indulgence; make your self- indulgence your religion.

When you drink and dance and take delight, you are not being ``immoral,'' you are not ``risking your immortal soul''; you are fulfilling the precepts of our holy religion--provided only that you remember to regard your actions in this light. Do not lower yourself and destroy and cheapen your pleasure by leaving out the supreme joy, the consciousness of the Peace that passeth understanding. Do not embrace mere Marian or Melusine; she is Nuit Herself, specially concentrated and incarnated in a human form to give you infinite love, to bid you taste even on earth the Elixir of Immortality. ``But ecstasy be thine and joy of earth: ever To me! To me!''

Again She speaks: ``Love is the law, love under will.'' Keep pure your highest ideal; strive ever toward it without allowing aught to stoÿ you or turn you aside, even as a star sweeps upon its incalculable and infinite course of glory, and all is Love. The Law of your being becomes Light, Life, Love and Liberty. All is peace, all is harmony and beauty, all is joy.

For hear, how gracious is the Goddess; ``I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice.''

Is this not better than the death-in-life of the slaves of the Slave- Gods, as they go oppressed by consciousness of ``sin,'' wearily seeking or simulating wearisome and tedious ``virtues''?

With such, we who have accepted the Law of Thelema have nothing to do. We have heard the Voice of the Star-Goddess: ``I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!'' And thus She ends:

``Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you! I am the blue- lidded daughter of Sunset; I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous night-sky. To me! To me!'' And with these words ``The Manifestation of Nuit is at an end.''

From liber ABA

"THE Scourge, the Dagger, and the Chain, represent the three alchemical principles of Sulphur, Mercury, and Salt. These are not the substances which we now call by these names; they represent "principles," whose operations chemists have found it more convenient to explain in other ways. But Sulphur represents the energy of things, Mercury their fluidity, Salt their fixity. They are analogous to Fire, Air and Water; but they mean rather more, for they represent something deeper and subtler, and yet more truly active. An almost exact analogy is given by the three Gunas of the Hindus; Sattvas, Rajas, and Tamas. Sattvas is Mercury, equable, calm, clear; Rajas is Sulphur, active, excitable, even fierce; Tamas is Salt, thick, sluggish, heavy, dark.

footnote: There is a long description of these three Gunas in the Bhagavadgita.

But Hindu philosophy is so occupied with the main idea that only the Absolute is worth anything, that it tends to consider these Gunas (even Sattvas) as evil. This is a correct view, but only from above; and we prefer, if we are truly wise, to avoid this everlasting wail which characterizes the thought of the Indian peninsula: "Everything is sorrow," etc. Accepting their doctrine of the two phases of the Absolute, we must, if we are to be consistent, class the two phases together, either as good or as bad; if one is good and the other bad we are back again in that duality, to avoid which we invented the Absolute.

The Christian idea that sin was worth while because salvation was so much more worth while, that redemption is so splendid that innocence was well lost, is more satisfactory. St. Paul says: "Where sin abounded, there did grace much more abound. Then shall we do evil that good may come? God forbid." But (clearly!) it is exactly what God Himself did, or why did He create Satan with the germ of his "fall" in him?

Instead of condemning the three qualities outright, we should consider them as parts of a sacrament. This particular aspect of the Scourge, the Dagger, and the Chain, suggests the sacrament of penance.

The Scourge is Sulphur: its application excites our sluggish natures; and it may further be used as an instrument of correction, to castigate rebellious volitions. It is applied to the Nephesh, the Animal Soul, the natural desires.

The Dagger is Mercury: it is used to calm too great heat, by the letting of blood; and it is this weapon which is plunged into the side or heart of the Magician to fill the Holy Cup. Those faculties which come between the appetites and the reason are thus dealt with.

The Chain is Salt: it serves to bind the wandering thoughts; and for this reason is placed about the neck of the Magician, where Daath is situated.

These instruments also remind us of pain, death, and bondage. Students of the gospel will recollect that in the martyrdom of Christ these three were used, the dagger being replaced by the nails.

footnote: This is true of all magical instruments. The Hill of Golgotha is a circle, and the Cross the Tau. Christ had robe, crown, sceptre, etc.; this thesis should one day be fully worked out.

The Scourge should be made with a handle of iron; the lash is composed of nine strands of fine copper wire, in each of which are twisted small pieces of lead. Iron represents severity, copper love, and lead austerity.

The Dagger is made of steel inlaid with gold; and the hilt is also golden.

The chain{Sic} is made of soft iron. It has 333 links.

footnote: See The Equinox, No. V, "The Vision and the Voice": Xth Aethyr.

It is now evident why these weapons are grouped around the phial of clear crystal in which is kept the Holy Oil.

The Scourge keeps the aspiration keen: the Dagger expresses the determination to sacrifice all; and the Chain restricts any wandering.

We may now consider the Holy Oil itself."

Liber Nu

ooo. This is the Book of the Cult of the Infinite Without.

oo. The Aspirant is Hadit. Nuit is the infinite espansion of the Rose; Hadit is the infinite concentration of the Rood (Instruction of V.V.V.V.V.).

o. First let the Aspirant learn in his heart the First Chapter of THE BOOK OF THE LAW (Instruction of V.V.V.V.V).

1. Worship, i.e. identify thyself with, the Khabs, the secret Light within the Heart. Within this again, unextended, is Hadit.
This is the first practice of the Meditation (ccxx,I:6 and 21).

2. Adore and understand the Rim of the Stele of Revealing.

Above, the gemmed azure is
The naked splendor of Nuit;
She bends in ecstasy to kiss
The secret ardours of Hadit

This is the first practice of Intelligence (ccxx, I:14).
3. Avoid any act of choice or discrimination.
This is the first practice of Ethics (ccxx, I:22).
4. Consider the six and fifty that 50/6=0.12.
o the circumference Nuit.
. the center, Hadit.

1 the unity proceeding, Ra-Hoor-Khuit.

2 the world of illusion.
Nuit thus comprehends All in None.
Also 50+6=56=5+6=11, the key to all Rituals.
And 50X6=300, the Spirit of the Child within.
(Note NFic=72, the Shemhamphorash and the Quinaries of the Zodiac, etc.)
This is the second practice of Intelligence (ccxx,I:24,25).

5. The Result of this Practice is the Consciousness of the Continuity of Existence, the Omnipresence of the Body of Nuit.
In other words, the Aspirant is conscious only of the Infinte Universe as a single Being.
This is the first Indication of the Nature of the Result (ccxx,I:26).

6. Meditate upon Nuit as the Continuous One Resolved into None and Two as the phases of her being.
This is the second practice of Meditation (ccxx,I:27).

7. Meditate upon the facts of Samadhi on all planes the liberation of heat in chemistry, joy in natural history, Ananda in religion, when two things join to lose themselves in a third.
This is the third practice of Meditation (ccxx, I:28,29,30).

8. Let the Aspirant pay utmost reverence to the Authority of the A.·.A.·. and follow Its instructions, and let him swear a great Oath of Devotion unto Nuit.
This is the second practice of Ethics (ccxx, I:32).

9. Let the Aspirant beware the slightest exercvise of his will against another being. Thus, lying is a better posture than sitting or standing, as it opposes less resistance to gravitation. Yet his first duty is to the force nearest and most potent; e.g. he may rise to greet a friend.
This is the third practice of Ethics (ccxx, I:41).

10. Let the Aspirant exercise his will without the least consideration for any other being. This direction cannot be understood, much less accomplished, until the previous practice has been perfected.
This is the fourth practice of Ethics (ccxx, I:42,43,44).

11. Let the Aspirant comprehend that these two practices are identical.
This is the third practice of Intelligence (ccxx, I:45).

12. Let the Aspirant live the Life Beautiful and Pleasant. For this freedom hath he won. But let each act, especially of love, be devoted wholly to his true mistress, Nuit.
This is the fifth practice of Ethics (ccxx, I:51,52,61,63).

13. Let the Aspirant yearn toward Nuit under the stars of Night, with a love directed by his Magical Will, not merely proceeding from the heart.
This is the first practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:57).

14. The Result of this Practice in the subsequent life of the Aspirant is to fill him with unimaginable joys: to give him certainty concerning the nature of the phenomenon called death, to give him peace unalterable, rest, and ecstasy.
This is the second Indication of the Nature of the Result
(ccxx, I:58).

15. Let the Aspirant prepare a perfume of resinous woods and gums, according to his inspiration.
This is the second practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:59).

16. Let the Aspirant prepare a Pantacle, as follows. Inscribe a circle within a Pentagram, upon a ground square or of such other convenient shape as he may choose. Let the circle be of scarlet, the Pentagram black, the ground royal blue studded with golden stars. Within the circle, at its centre, shall be painted a sigil that shall be revealed to the Aspirant by Nuit herself. And this Pentacle shall serve for a Telesmantic Image, or as an Eidolon, or as a Focus for the mind.
This is the third practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:60).

17. Let the Aspirant find a lonely place, if possible a place in the Desert of Sand, or if not, a place unfrequented, and without objects to disturb the view. Such are moorlands, fens, the oÿen sea, broad rivers, and open fields. Also, and especially, the summits of mountains. There let him invoke the Goddess as he hath Wisdom and Understanding so to do. But let this Invocation be that of a pure heart, i.e., a heart wholly devoted to Her, and let him remember that it is Hadit Himself in the most secret place thereof that invoketh. Then let this serpent Hadit burst into flame.
This is the fourth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:61).

18. Then shall the Aspirant come a little to lie in Her bosom.
This is the third Indication of the Nature of the Result
(ccxx, I:61).

19. Let the Aspirant stand upon the edge of a precipice in act or in imagination. And let him imagine and suffer the fear of falling.
Next let him imagine with this aid that the Earth is falling, and he with it, or he from it; and considering the infinity of space, let him excite the fear within him to the point of ecstasy, so that the most dreadful dream of falling that he hath ever suffered be as nothing in comparison. This is the forth practice of Meditation (Instruction of V.V.V.V.V.).

20. Thus having understood the nature of this Third Indication, let him in his Magick Rite fall from himself into Nuit, or expand into Her, as his imagination may compel him.
And at that moment, desiring earnestly the Kiss of Nuit, let him give one particle of dust, i.e., let Hadit give himself up utterly to Her.
This is the fifth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:61).

21. Then shall he lose all in that hour.
This is the fourth Indication of the Nature of the Result.
(ccxx, I:61).

22. Let the Aspirant prepare a lovesong of rapture unto the Goddess, or let him be inspired by Her unto this.
This is the sixth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:63).

23. Let the Aspirant be clad in a single robe. An "abbai" of scarlet wrought with gold is most suitable.
This is the seventh practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:61).

24. Let the Aspirant wear a rich head-dress. A crown of gold adorned with sapphires or diamonds with a royal blue cap of maintenance, or nemmes, is most suitable.
This is the eighth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:61).

25. Let the Aspirant wear many jewels such as he may possess.
This is the ninth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:61).

26. Let the Aspirant prepare an Elixir or libation as he may have wit to do.
This is the tenth practice of Magick Art (ccxx, I:63).

27. Let the Aspirant invoke, lying supine, his robe spread out as it were a carpet.
This is the eleventh practice of Magick Art (Instruction of V.V.V.V.V.).

28. Summary. Preliminaries.
These are the necessary possessions.

1. The Crown or head-dress.
2. The Jewels.
3. The Pantacle.
4. The Robe.
5. The Song or Incantation.
6. The Place of Invocation.
7. The Perfume.
8. The Elixir.

29. Summary continued. Preliminaries.
These are the necessary comprehensions.

1. The Natures of Nuit and Hadit, and their relation.
2. The Mystery of the Individual Will.

30. Summary continued. Preliminaries.
These are the meditations necessary to be accomplished.

1. The discovery of Hadit in the Aspirant, and identification with Him.
2. The Continuous One.
3. The Value of the Equation n + (-n).
4. Cremnophobia.

31. Summary continued. Preliminaries.
These are the Ethical Practices to be accomplished.

1. Assertion of the Kether-point-of-view.
2. Reverence to the Order.
3. Abolition of human will.
4. Exercise of true will.
5. Devotion to Nuit throughout a beautified life.

32. Summary continued. The Actual Rite.

1. Retire to desert with crown and other insignia and implements.
2. Burn perfume.
3. Chant incantation.
4. Drink unto Nuit the Elixir.
5. Lying supine, with eyes fixed on the stars, practice the sensation of falling into nothingness.
6. Being actually within the bosom of Nuit, let Hadit surrender Himself.

33. Summary concluded. The Results.

1. Expansion of consciousness to that of the Infinte.
2. "Loss of all" the highest mystical attainment.
3. True Wisdom and perfect Happiness.

[rhydra]

I think that there are worse people than Aliester Crowley deciding what we should do and how we should do it. I have no problem with the occult, , the occult is only looking for meanings in alternative ways, that could be for any reason including good. Indeed I am leaning toward the occult myself, I don't see myself in any position other than against those who misrule the masses, the new world order and the illuminati, who also happen to be human beings.

[kappy0405]

I'm not gonna read through 10 pages of this thread, but is there any truth or evidence to actually suggest that he fathered Barbara Bush? Or is it just speculation??

[thirdwave]

I'm not gonna read through 10 pages of this thread, but is there any truth or evidence to actually suggest that he fathered Barbara Bush? Or is it just speculation??

no just hear say and the fact that some of his pics look like her...

although it would not shock me as he must have slepped with so many women.. and had orgies and so on..

[kappy0405]

no just hear say and the fact that some of his pics look like her...

although it would not shock me as he must have slepped with so many women.. and had orgies and so on..

thanks.. that's what I figured. I did find this article (Im sure its been posted here several times already) though which explains how Barbara Bush's parents were connected to the Crowley family. I guess it is definitely a possibility after reading this.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html

[thirdwave]

I don't believe evil is heditory anyway.. i think its a program downloaded so to speak...so either way I'm not to bothered and It would not really effect my view on the man as much as many people would like it to do.

he was clearly not apart of the family and dyeing in a cheep bedsit should prove this.

[meksar]

This character is based on Aleister Crowley

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[meksar]

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[drael]

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[newworldengineer]

I think that there are worse people than Aliester Crowley deciding what we should do and how we should do it. I have no problem with the occult, , the occult is only looking for meanings in alternative ways, that could be for any reason including good. Indeed I am leaning toward the occult myself, I don't see myself in any position other than against those who misrule the masses, the new world order and the illuminati, who also happen to be human beings.

Put your money where your keyboard is! I'll bet ya a tenner they ain't. I'll see you after 2012 to collect my winnings, which I will have added interest to by the way :cool:

[uncia]

Aleister Crowley

Legendary catamite & pathic
....

Is he the model for the "gay community"?

[meksar]

He was a bi-sexual, in fact he was so open about his sexuality it pissed off the elite, who would rather keep certain things in the closet(including many skeletons) and play happy families.