Health vegan wondering about milk proteins in food

[sunya]

So when I see 'milk proteins' listed in food ingredients, is there likely to be residual antibiotics/growth hormone etc. in there? It's only because of that sort of thing that I avoid dairy products.

Anyone have any idea about this?

[pacoquerak]

that is a sure fire sign that whatever you are looking at isn't really a food.

[sunya]

I see it in a lot of things, but I'm specifically wondering about Quorn products. It's a kind of 'fake meat', I think they only sell it in the UK. Actually really tasty, but most of the products contain milk powder hence my question. It kind of sounds like they just extract the protein molecules but I'm not sure.

[pacoquerak]

I suggest instead buying raw organic grass fed milk. Fake meat isn't really food if it is soy based unless it's fermented with bacteria.

[sunya]

Quorn isn't made from soy, it's made from mycoprotein which is fungus-based. I'm not so worried about milk to drink as I prefer rice milk anyway.

[pacoquerak]

1st off, no sane person likes the taste of rice milk better than fresh cold unpasturised grass fed whole milk. Second, while traditional indian fermented rice milk is very good and good for you, regular rice milk is just rice and water and rice sugar. No real food value there.

[Ratiocinator]

Whether 'grass-fed'. pasteurised, raw, or factory-farmed, it makes no difference; All of it naturally contains casein, which is a protein that causes malignant tumours in humans who consume it.

Read The China Study, by Prof. T. Colin Campbell, for the evidence.

[Ratiocinator]

The only milk a person should consume, other than their mother's milk when they are an infant, is plant milk (aka mylk).

This is easy to make: Grind up nuts or seeds of choice, mix with water to the correct ratio (usually one part nuts/seeds to three parts water), strain (to filter out the pulp and bits), and that is it.

[sunya]

1st off, no sane person likes the taste of rice milk better than fresh cold unpasturised grass fed whole milk. Second, while traditional indian fermented rice milk is very good and good for you, regular rice milk is just rice and water and rice sugar. No real food value there.

I don't think of it as food, it just goes well with my muesli.

[sunya]

Whether 'grass-fed'. pasteurised, raw, or factory-farmed, it makes no difference; All of it naturally contains casein, which is a protein that causes malignant tumours in humans who consume it.

Read The China Study, by Prof. T. Colin Campbell, for the evidence.

Hmm, even Propagandapedia mentions this, although obv it's controversial. Umm, anyone else have input?

[pacoquerak]

Hmm, even Propagandapedia mentions this, although obv it's controversial. Umm, anyone else have input?
It is very true that some people are negatively effected by it and it is 80% of the protein in milk. However, take the case of india, where people drink only milk which is raw and has been allowed to go sour. These people are even often intolerant of milk like most humans, so why can they be healthy? It is because there are active bacteria that produce enzymes which break down the proteins and sugars in the milk making them more easy for us to digest. They also work in our digestive system.

What rationcinerator mentioned indeed sounds like good food, but I wouldn't eat it unless i soaked the nuts or seeds in water overnight first. Better yet, I would then allow the drink to ferment a day or two!

I may try this.

There is some old Indian drinks, almond drink and rice drink which were actually mixed with a small amount of fermented raw milk to grow the active cultures.

[Ratiocinator]

Almonds, poppy seeds, etc, as examples, need to be soaked to neutralise the enzyme inhibitors. These inhibitors prevent the nut/seeds from sprouting at the wrong time. In dietary terms they are negative enzyme foods as they actually impede the efforts of pancreatic enzymes concerning digestion.

Brazil nuts, cashews, hemp seeds, and certain others, however, need no soaking as they have no enzyme inhibitors.

By the way, to sum up the evidence: Milk is poison. Stupid mankind is the only species to consume milk after infanthood. Mankind is also the only species to consume the milk of another species.

Cow's milk is for calves. Why would you steal milk from a baby? For your subconscious slow suicide? Not a good enough reason.

[sunya]

You both have good arguments and I'm going to have to do further research and make my mind up.

I'd still like an answer to the question, do milk proteins in foods harbour bad extras like growth hormone and antibiotics?

[sunya]

bump

[Ratiocinator]

www.notmilk.com

http://books.google.com/books?id=FIRLLcLjyC8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+china+study&ei=cs8xSaGyIpS6ygTa2LSKDA

[sunya]

www.notmilk.com (http://www.notmilk.com)

http://books.google.com/books?id=FIRLLcLjyC8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+china+study&ei=cs8xSaGyIpS6ygTa2LSKDA

Wow that should keep me busy. Thanks. :)

[pacoquerak]

the book nourishing traditions owns vegans.

[sunya]

the book nourishing traditions owns vegans.

Oh snap, why do you have to confuse me like that?

[Ratiocinator]

Oh snap, why do you have to confuse me like that?

There is no confusion. Learn to judge the dark forces and the light forces. The picture is clear.

Ignore these anti-health, anti-natural, anti-vegan propagandists and liars. They only seek to harm you. The evidence speaks for itself.

[Ratiocinator]

An audio interview with the owner of NotMilk.com:

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/notmilk.html

[sunya]

An audio interview with the owner of NotMilk.com:

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/notmilk.html

Nice one, thanks.