Why a Global Government is a good thing

[stewart edwards]

Can someone tell me where my analysis is wrong.

1. Take a country, any country you like. I will pick on Scotland my own nation. Go as far back as you like in history. I will start with the Clan system. There was a time when clans used to fight each other. You were born in a glen and would fight the neighbouring glen. Just the way of things. then over time, the realisation came that constant fighting served no purpose and the clans learnt to come together (ok some of them to fight the English I give you, but they came together). After a while Scotland as a nation was born. Then it became part of Great Britain, and then the united Kingdon and now is part of the European Union. OK some want Scotland to become independant once again but mostly nationalists are happy with the EU, some even talk about using the Euro.

2. So we have the EU, do you really think that Germany will ever wage war on Britain, France, Poland etc again? For its ills it has brought stability. You may only be alive because the EU has prevented wars.

3. Look at the UN. Given its underfunding and politics by some members it does a remarkably good job at helping those that are worst off in the world. If it was to get on a better financial footing, it could alieviate a lot more poverty and ill treatment. Its Millenium goals are worthy.

4. So the natural flow of the world is to come together. It is arms manufacturers etc who have most to loose from this, as a united world isnt likley to wage war on itself. Though they could then build planetary defence systems, spacecraft etc which could be more profitable for them.

5. And how can we as a planet hope to interact with any alien life that may be "out there" when we cant even be nice to each other on our home planet? Looking at it another way if you were an alien looking at this planet, who exactly would you talk to? What would you think of us? Think about it. If we are going to explore space, apart from the technology side, we really do need to grow up and become humane to each other. And until that happens we will remain an isolated planet.

6. OK so adequate controls do need to be in place so that bad people dont gain the reigns of power, but that is the same with any nation state. And a global goverment does not necessarily mean that national differences cant remain. Try telling a Scotsman not to fly the Scots flag and see how far you get, even though we are part of the UK and EU. Strength in diversity.

So those who are anti our world coming together for the common good, please tell me, where I have erred in my thinking.

[disorder2k8]

I've said this a few times but yes I believe earth needs to be united and stop fighting and bickering over its resources, but we arn't being led by example. All the people in charge are the kind of devil worshippers that make us look bad, we need them out of the picture and then start working on a fair solution that doesn't involve slavery of humans.

I keep pointing people to the game Spore because it has shocking similarities, I think it was a plant to get people thinking in a certain direction. In it the last stage is space and you need to unite the planet to do it, you either do that by crushing all teams or uniting them under trade or a combination there of. Its exactly like what we have.

Yes we need some management, but not total control. The politicians are our civil servants at the end of the day. Read my articles here http://justonemind.com/index.php/exclusives/38-disorders-corner

[tracker]

ive said the same thing on a thread called

the NWO is what we wanted remember .:cool:

we just didnt want to achieve it the way its done right now .

[bobhodge]

Stupid nonsense.

[kappy0405]

So those who are anti our world coming together for the common good, please tell me, where I have erred in my thinking.

Here is where you are off in your thinking. Noone here is "anti our world coming together for the common GOOD"

I'm all for globalization, but global GOVERNMENT might be the worst idea ever proposed.. Atleast through the governments we see today, and the human race is nowhere near ready to accept the responsibility of living under the freedom of anarchy.

Do you forget that these are the same leaders who started all these wars in the first place? The same people who make sure half the world lives in poverty, while they (1%) run off with half the worlds wealth??

If we are globalized, with no borders between us.. less and less people will be needed to make the decisions. Do you think that increases our freedom? Not even close.. In fact, it sort of makes things like the verichip a neccessity. It's insane for anyone to think this is a good idea for all of humanity.

Now, if somehow we could overthrow our governments, and start brand spanking new, and actually allow everybody on the planet the same oppurtunities for once.. then yeah, eventually we would be ready to accept responsibility for ourselves, and be united as one body... We are atleast decades before that can happen though.. And as long as the same people, who have been ruling for thousands of years, continue to do so, we may never be ready..

[stewart edwards]

Kappy0405


If you had a United States of Earth you may find that the Government had to think of all of teh people on this planet equally. One result could well be improveed standards of living on average on this planet. Though in the West standards could fall as global balance is achieved.

Without borders you would eliminate most wars. Take the USA is the South likley to fight the North? In the European Union is Germmany likley to declare war on Poland, France or Britain?

I dont have much time for politics or politicians, never really have since I took a univerity course in the economic theory of politics (basically says that every politician is only interested in reelection). My practical experience of politicians has been less than favourable. However they are what we have got, so all we can do is demand ever higher standards from them and let them do their job. Could you do a better job?

You are correct that the human race does need to grow up, to leave pubberty and to find its humanity. You may just find that a lot of global leaders have been working very hard to help this process along. But the key is that it takes individuals, you and me, to work past their fears and grow.

In the EU I can now work, get medical care, live, travel as I wish. It sure has enhanced my freedom and personal choice. And in the USA you can do likewise. I am struggling to see how the EU has done me any harm given that it has given me so much opportunity and stability from war.

[twistedconcept]

Global government is essentially a terrible thing.

The world is a tapestry of great cultures and differences. I wouldn't want everything to be the same.

An end to war? Are you willing to live in a police state, with your every move monitored? Do you want 90% of the world's population killed? I don't.

If the people had more control, we wouldn't need a global government.

[twistedconcept]

Can someone tell me where my analysis is wrong.

1. Take a country, any country you like. I will pick on Scotland my own nation. Go as far back as you like in history. I will start with the Clan system. There was a time when clans used to fight each other. You were born in a glen and would fight the neighbouring glen. Just the way of things. then over time, the realisation came that constant fighting served no purpose and the clans learnt to come together (ok some of them to fight the English I give you, but they came together). After a while Scotland as a nation was born. Then it became part of Great Britain, and then the united Kingdon and now is part of the European Union. OK some want Scotland to become independant once again but mostly nationalists are happy with the EU, some even talk about using the Euro.

2. So we have the EU, do you really think that Germany will ever wage war on Britain, France, Poland etc again? For its ills it has brought stability. You may only be alive because the EU has prevented wars.

3. Look at the UN. Given its underfunding and politics by some members it does a remarkably good job at helping those that are worst off in the world. If it was to get on a better financial footing, it could alieviate a lot more poverty and ill treatment. Its Millenium goals are worthy.

4. So the natural flow of the world is to come together. It is arms manufacturers etc who have most to loose from this, as a united world isnt likley to wage war on itself. Though they could then build planetary defence systems, spacecraft etc which could be more profitable for them.

5. And how can we as a planet hope to interact with any alien life that may be "out there" when we cant even be nice to each other on our home planet? Looking at it another way if you were an alien looking at this planet, who exactly would you talk to? What would you think of us? Think about it. If we are going to explore space, apart from the technology side, we really do need to grow up and become humane to each other. And until that happens we will remain an isolated planet.

6. OK so adequate controls do need to be in place so that bad people dont gain the reigns of power, but that is the same with any nation state. And a global goverment does not necessarily mean that national differences cant remain. Try telling a Scotsman not to fly the Scots flag and see how far you get, even though we are part of the UK and EU. Strength in diversity.

So those who are anti our world coming together for the common good, please tell me, where I have erred in my thinking.

1: Their goal is to destroy national sovereignty, hence the mass of immigrants in America and other countries.

2: The EU is controlled. The conspiracy is vast.

3: The UN wants to kill masses of people. It's an extremely evil organisation. Look at some of their publications to see their real agenda. They're a front.

4: The Illuminati control the arms industry, much like they control media, politics, finance, etc.

5: It won't happen. Most people are too selfish. A global government would achieve nothing.

6: Bad people are already in all major positions of power.

[tonak]

so it gives you a better standard of living? it makes life just a little more convenient for you? sweet things will be alot more convenient for you when all they have to do is scan the barcode on your neck. what about me? what about me? what about all the people getting fucked? what about the cancer causing chemicals in my food in my air? is your personal higher standard of living worth the horrendus crimes on my people being ignored daily? is it worth the souls of billions being trapped in purgatory forever because they beleive in judgement after death? is it worth your soul? the problem with being a conformist is that in the end it is not you who changes the system but the system who changes...

[stewart edwards]

the problem with being a conformist is that in the end it is not you who changes the system but the system who changes...I dont think that anyone has ever called me a conformist before:eek: I may have professional qualifications, but I am also a bit of a pain in the neck to many. Not intentionally but because I ask difficult questions and expect high standards of behaviour from leaders.:rolleyes:gets me into regular trouble:o

[banoyes]

A Freemason in favor of Global Government!!??
WOW
How novel...yah... LOL

[keystone]

A Freemason in favor of Global Government!!??
WOW
How novel...yah... LOLNow you are being silly. He isn't a Freemason.

But go on just jump to conclusions- why not? :D

[banoyes]

Now you are being silly. He isn't a Freemason.

But go on just jump to conclusions- why not? :D
Yes he is
Look before you leap lizzard boy

[keystone]

Yes he is
Look before you leap lizzard boyNo he isn't. Not a lizard either.

[banoyes]

No he isn't. Not a lizard either.

In you narrow little world he is NOT a mason
In my world he is
It's like being a Cathloic and never going to church
It's like mynameis who agree with Masons 100% of the time
They may not wear the funny hats and aprons, but their philosophy is the same .

While I have never met Mike, we have crossed swords over the years and I actually left a forum because of one of his posts (well more of a final straw really), and while we have our differences I certainly have respect for Mike.

I doubt that I am his most popular person but I do think that it is important that you listen to him. He does know what he is talking about for the part of Freemasonry which he belongs to and a whole lot more. He may not be the most esoterically inclined mason that I have interacted with, but he does a lot of good work.

I would listen to him and learn from him. Though realise that the Masonic world is big and deep and fractured and diverse, and that the Masonic landscape is rapidly changing, so when he writes something that you know to be wrong, consider that he may not be lying, he may just be in a different part of the world, in a different fraternity. Talk to him rationally and politely and he will, I would imagine, research it for himself.

And for what it is worth some years ago I was rejected by an UGLE lodge and have not joined any other, and I do believe that the Masonic world needs to deal with some more negative issues more effectively. And in my own little pain in the bum sort of way have been helping it do this for some years now.

I would suggest that it is trying to move forwards.

GS, apologies for butting into a thread about GLAE. I just felt the urge to support Mike here. Mike may be many things, but he is not to my knowledge a liar. .

Yah he is a Mason a rose by any name

[keystone]

In you narrow little world he is NOT a mason
In my world he is
It's like being a Cathloic and never going to church
It's like mynameis who agree with Masons 100% of the time
They may not wear the funny hats and aprons, but their philosophy is the same .

Yah he is a Mason a rose by any nameNo I was responding to your apparent very narrow world where everyone is a mason if you say so. Now you've clarified what you mean I see the point you are making.

Its absolutely NOTHING like being a Catholic and never going to Church.

Funny thing is I was going to use exactly the same post you quoted to show that he is not a freemason.

[kingmonkey]

It's not a "world government" that would be a problem. it's the corruption, malevolence, lack of compassion/understanding of those that would more than likely control it.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely, n' all that...

[stewart edwards]

It's not a "world government" that would be a problem. it's the corruption, malevolence, lack of compassion/understanding of those that would more than likely control it.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely, n' all that...Precisely.

[stewart edwards]

In you narrow little world he is NOT a mason
In my world he is
It's like being a Cathloic and never going to church
It's like mynameis who agree with Masons 100% of the time
They may not wear the funny hats and aprons, but their philosophy is the same .

Yah he is a Mason a rose by any nameNow you are having a laugh.

If you had any idea how much thought generation, butt kicking and head knocking as well as being a shoulder of support I have done in the Masonic world over the years, including telling them that the masonic world is in darkness and explaining why it is, you would not be saying that.


Also it would be difficult to be a catholic if you havent been baptised catholic (Chursch of Scotland for what it is worth).

I may have philosophy that is to be found in the Masonic world, and I may indeed have generated a lot of respect, in at least parts of the Masonic world, for my work, but I did it myself and then found out that it was masonic.

The subtle diffference is important.

[keystone]

Now you are having a laugh.No - he's a very serious chap.

The subtle difference is important.But not to Ben unfortunately.

[banoyes]

Now you are having a laugh.

If you had any idea how much thought generation, butt kicking and head knocking as well as being a shoulder of support I have done in the Masonic world over the years, including telling them that the masonic world is in darkness and explaining why it is, you would not be saying that.
You make it clear you want to IMPROVE Freemasonry
NOT that you disagree with it ( you don't)


Also it would be difficult to be a catholic if you havent been baptised catholic (Chursch of Scotland for what it is worth).
It was a poor analogy

I may have philosophy that is to be found in the Masonic world, and I may indeed have generated a lot of respect, in at least parts of the Masonic world, for my work, but I did it myself and then found out that it was masonic.

The subtle diffference is important.

Couldn't be any clearer... there is no more a subtle difference then
that between York and Scottish Rite and YOU
There is a grand agreement,just as there is with all Freemasons
You did not reject Freemasonry..they rejected you

[stewart edwards]

You did not reject Freemasonry..they rejected youIndeed, but this would imply that they dont consider me to be masonic material (at least in terms of UGLE Masonry). And that is their right and privilidge.

[banoyes]

Indeed, but this would imply that they dont consider me to be masonic material (at least in terms of UGLE Masonry). And that is their right and privilidge.
There you go. You do not reject Masonry. You're simply disappointed that you are not accepted, but keep ya chin up, maybe Keystone will sponser you

[stewart edwards]

There you go. You do not reject Masonry. You're simply disappointed that you are not accepted, but keep ya chin up, maybe Keystone will sponser youYou really do not know me as well as you think that you do.

Sufficient numbers of masons have told me that I would not be happy in UGLE, and I am inclined to believe them.

But you are correct I do not reject masonry. Unless they ask me not to (when I will desist immediately) I will continue to do everything in my power to strengthen it. But that should please you for it will mean that it will clean itself up, and you will then have less to object to, for your reasons for objecting will have disappeared. Whether you realise it or not I am helping you and the people of this planet as much as I am helping the masons in the masonic world who want to take steps forwards.

The problem is that the Masonic world, as a whole, does not seem to be ready to get back to basics and turn the corner. Some of its leaders say the words but politics seem to get in the way and their members sometimes seem to resist being stuck in their comfort zones. So you can remain safe in the knowledge that you will be able to object to it for some time yet. That said some parts of the Masonic world are driving forwards. Good on them.

[banoyes]

You really do not know me as well as you think that you do.

Sufficient numbers of masons have told me that I would not be happy in UGLE, and I am inclined to believe them.

But you are correct I do not reject masonry. Unless they ask me not to (when I will desist immediately) I will continue to do everything in my power to strengthen it. But that should please you for it will mean that it will clean itself up, and you will then have less to object to, for your reasons for objecting will have disappeared. Whether you realise it or not I am helping you and the people of this planet as much as I am helping the masons in the masonic world who want to take steps forwards.

The problem is that the Masonic world, as a whole, does not seem to be ready to get back to basics and turn the corner. Some of its leaders say the words but politics seem to get in the way and their members sometimes seem to resist being stuck in their comfort zones. So you can remain safe in the knowledge that you will be able to object to it for some time yet. That said some parts of the Masonic world are driving forwards. Good on them.

I know you well enough to know you are a Freemason .. in spirit anyway
and thats all I need
PLEASE STOP HELPING ME

[mynameis]

In you narrow little world he is NOT a mason
In my world he is
It's like being a Cathloic and never going to church
It's like mynameis who agree with Masons 100% of the time
They may not wear the funny hats and aprons, but their philosophy is the same .

Yah he is a Mason a rose by any name

I know you well enough to know you are a Freemason .. in spirit anyway
and thats all I need
PLEASE STOP HELPING ME

I see. So psychic banoyes still rants about stuff he knows nothing about. You don't know squat about me or my spirit. If anything my spirit is anti-stupidity and right now anti-banoyes.

[thethirdeye]

This is my opinion. Nations are result of programs... we are all conciousnes in physical body. The Earth supose to be one home for all people with no nations.... But, if there isn't Global Government, people will always kill eacheither, and there wont' be any low to stop them... They are not enough aware, so there would be anarchy... Global Government is good desition...

But not global Governent maden by ILLUMINATI.... here is the trap...

It would be Global Government made by wise people, no Illuminati in this world...

That is the utopia... if Illuminati or masons are the Government we all go straight to hell....:)

Global nation and governent with NO global religion or any other form of manipulation... No killings, no hurtining or anything else...

peace:)

[djaevlen]

the problem with global government in the consolidation of power/resources. you have corrupt people in high places of power dishing out the laws, resources, police, etc.. with no one left to oppose any corruption and tyranny. the ideal situation is not consolidating power, but giving power back to the individual to make his/her own way.

[stewart edwards]

What you need are:-

1. Strenth through diversity - keeping national identities and power at as low a level as is effective to make it work.

2. People in charge who are illuminated, nice people who work for the benefit of everyone. Though as the demons of power do corrupt the best of us, you need to back this up with:-

3. "No" men. people who are willing to stand up to the bosses and say, without fear or favour, "hold on here mate are you sure".

[realllly]

Can someone tell me where my analysis is wrong.

1. Take a country, any country you like. I will pick on Scotland my own nation. Go as far back as you like in history. I will start with the Clan system. There was a time when clans used to fight each other. You were born in a glen and would fight the neighbouring glen. Just the way of things. then over time, the realisation came that constant fighting served no purpose and the clans learnt to come together (ok some of them to fight the English I give you, but they came together). After a while Scotland as a nation was born. Then it became part of Great Britain, and then the united Kingdon and now is part of the European Union. OK some want Scotland to become independant once again but mostly nationalists are happy with the EU, some even talk about using the Euro.

2. So we have the EU, do you really think that Germany will ever wage war on Britain, France, Poland etc again? For its ills it has brought stability. You may only be alive because the EU has prevented wars.

3. Look at the UN. Given its underfunding and politics by some members it does a remarkably good job at helping those that are worst off in the world. If it was to get on a better financial footing, it could alieviate a lot more poverty and ill treatment. Its Millenium goals are worthy.

4. So the natural flow of the world is to come together. It is arms manufacturers etc who have most to loose from this, as a united world isnt likley to wage war on itself. Though they could then build planetary defence systems, spacecraft etc which could be more profitable for them.

5. And how can we as a planet hope to interact with any alien life that may be "out there" when we cant even be nice to each other on our home planet? Looking at it another way if you were an alien looking at this planet, who exactly would you talk to? What would you think of us? Think about it. If we are going to explore space, apart from the technology side, we really do need to grow up and become humane to each other. And until that happens we will remain an isolated planet.

6. OK so adequate controls do need to be in place so that bad people dont gain the reigns of power, but that is the same with any nation state. And a global goverment does not necessarily mean that national differences cant remain. Try telling a Scotsman not to fly the Scots flag and see how far you get, even though we are part of the UK and EU. Strength in diversity.

So those who are anti our world coming together for the common good, please tell me, where I have erred in my thinking.

Thank God, there is some realists in the room.

[revolutionary_jam]

how about no governance

war is only capable with a state

what about locally run communities

[stewart edwards]

how about no governance

war is only capable with a state

what about locally run communitiesBack to the Clan system warring with the clan in the next glen?

Come on, society hasn't moved on that much - look at any school playground, bullying in the workplace, or even some of the disharmony on this forum.

War is capable because man cant control his ego, power drive and materialistic wanting.

Remember my example of the European Union and Germany or of the South v North in the US. Neither likely to be at war with the other anymore.

Also where would you be without a police force?

[revolutionary_jam]

BCome on, society hasn't moved on that much - look at any school playground, bullying in the workplace, or even some of the disharmony on this forum.

War is capable because man cant control his ego, power drive and materialistic wanting.

ok so you want to retain the ULTIMATE bully, the ULTIMATE group ego, the state's monopoly over control and violence?

people could organise their own police forces i think because they generally have a need to feel safe

[stewart edwards]

ok so you want to retain the ULTIMATE bully, the ULTIMATE group ego, the state's monopoly over control and violence?

people could organise their own police forces i think because they generally have a need to feel safeThere are plenty of places in the world that you can be a revolutionary if you want to. Living conditions tend not to be too great in such places - absolute poverty, low life expectancy, wars etc. As soon as effective government slips countries soon fall into anarchy. Have a look around the global news websites and you will find examples easy enough.

Good governments bring stability, education, health care, opportunity for all. Yes sometimes governments get it wrong, sometimes the wrong people get elected to government, but sometimes governments do do wonderful things.

Or would you prefer no water purification plants? etc.

Just some thoughts.

[revolutionary_jam]

As soon as effective government slips countries soon fall into anarchy. yes, that is what I am advocating

Good governments bring stability, education, health care, opportunity for all.

sometimes governments do do wonderful things.
well show me one example of a good government and I'll agree!


Or would you prefer no water purification plants? etc. this is a completely non-point, first of all the government does a TERRIBLE job of water purification and does it at great expense

second of all people have a natural want to drink clean water, therefore they would create institutions to treat their water, I don't see why a state is needed for that

[stewart edwards]

well show me one example of a good government and I'll agree! United Kingdom. It has its faults I give you but I live in relative safety, have health care, education, oportunity, etc.

this is a completely non-point, first of all the government does a TERRIBLE job of water purification and does it at great expense

second of all people have a natural want to drink clean water, therefore they would create institutions to treat their water, I don't see why a state is needed for thatCost.

[revolutionary_jam]

Cost. but the government does it at far greater cost, only difference is we're taxed for it

[cruise4]

Give me one example of good government.... United Kingdom.

HaHaHa:D:D:

Best one I've heard for ages. What a sucker. Hope you stick around to see your good government in eugenic's action via your beloved NHS, see your kids brtain damaged before your very eyes, get an education of a moron and then find there is no real opportunity at all as it's a totally controlled playing field and club.

And water provision needs no government eg:
http://www.ecoloblue.com/

And of course I could do a better job. A dimwit could do a better job. You would be hard pressed to do a worse job.

Your points are so ridiculous and show such little real thought that you have to be having a laugh.

[stewart edwards]

Give me one example of good government.... United Kingdom.

HaHaHa:D:D:

Best one I've heard for ages. What a sucker. Hope you stick around to see your good government in eugenic's action via your beloved NHS, see your kids brtain damaged before your very eyes, get an education of a moron and then find there is no real opportunity at all as it's a totally controlled playing field and club.

And water provision needs no government eg:
http://www.ecoloblue.com/

And of course I could do a better job. A dimwit could do a better job. You would be hard pressed to do a worse job.

Your points are so ridiculous and show such little real thought that you have to be having a laugh.

1. If it wasnt for the NHS my wife would be dead. Fact.
2. I have two university degrees, professional and technical qualifications. hardly the education of a "moron".
3. One of my children is on a national anti-bullying panel.
4. I am no indoctrinated establishement man, as I always ask why? and expect high standards. I doubt that I would fit into an old boys club. I started life from an impovrished home yet I have achieved what I have achieved.

Do you live in the UK? Yes I have had some seriously hard times when putting food on the table was difficult, but on the whole the UK is a very enabling nation.

[cruise4]

1. If it wasnt for the NHS my wife would be dead. Fact.
2. I have two university degrees, professional and technical qualifications. hardly the education of a "moron".
3. One of my children is on a national anti-bullying panel.
4. I am no indoctrinated establishement man, as I always ask why? and expect high standards. I doubt that I would fit into an old boys club. I started life from an impovrished home yet I have achieved what I have achieved.

Do you live in the UK? Yes I have had some seriously hard times when putting food on the table was difficult, but on the whole the UK is a very enabling nation.

1. So you say. I'd suggest the truth is any medical intervention done properly would have achieved the same thing. It's like saying... "well they fixed my broken leg".... well they might have but what about the 90% deliberately caused lifetime suffering. Look at things in isolation and you can justify the (so called) holocaust or anything. Irrelevant point. The NHS is guilty of many many crimes.

2. I beg to differ and time will tell, plus it's your kids that will get the sharp end of the deliberate dumbing down process. You show little sense or ability on this thread.

3. So what?

4. We all achieve what we achieve. You do know the current money system is fraud? Are you saying you believe there is a level playing field and anyone can achieve whatever anybody else can? The evidence is never ending that it isn't. And who wants to play on such a field anyway? Don't answer that. I already know.

"on the whole the UK is a very enabling nation."

You have forgotten what freedom is. The UK is a Police State. Council Tax is paying to live on the planet you were born on, the country you were born in. You are 'renting' your birthright from gangsters, paedo's, fraudsters and criminals. You are in a system of slavery and loving it because your 'training' has muddled your brain.

I hope you research all these nefarious institutions you seem to admire. The heart is black indeed.

I'm UK. The country has been turned into a cesspit of corruption and debauchery. It's embarassing that people bend over and take it up the ass at every opportunity. I am totally ashamed of many of my compatriots. On the other hand there are many now realising and taking action for the truth. I hope you get there. Global Government is a stupid idea.

[stewart edwards]

[COLOR="Teal"]3. So what?My son is achieving things at a young age...achieving things that is directly making the lives of others better. He also does a lot of anti-bullying work with bullied children.

Ok so gcses havent exactly rocked my boat, but all children are in the same boat.

[sunya]

I'm a huge fan of Buckminster Fuller's philosophy. In essence, a one world nation is the optimal way to do what's best for most of the people most of the time, BUT, forcing it into being will never work. It is up to us as individuals to keep putting ideas out there with everyone's best interests in mind, and when the time is right they will be taken up.

BTW Bucky was living proof that this worked. He had no academic qualifications. For 65 years he never sought employment nor asked for money, but during that time he published 30 books, was granted 28 US patents and many honorary doctorates, developed revolutionary building materials and structures, collaborated with several governments, and was commissioned to design geodesic domes, towers, even entire cities.

What he envisioned was a world with no government, only a consultative council at the peak of a pyramid system that was elective right the way up. They would not make decisions, only propose options and oversee application of initiatives. All decisions would be made by the mass of public opinion, which would be measured by the global computer system (he speculated this might be done by reading electromagnetic auras).

Unfortunately the way things are going right now basic survival is coming to the forefront of things for us as individuals. For the time being my thoughts are turning to the small community while we ride this out.

[cruise4]

"My son is achieving things at a young age...achieving things that is directly making the lives of others better. He also does a lot of anti-bullying work with bullied children."

Hope he makes the most of it. Soon he'll probably be dead or severly crippled. Bullying could and should have been eradicated decades ago so excuse me if I'm not jumping up and down in anticipation of anything good coming out of another so called anti-bullying campaign. From the child's point of view it's good that he does get involved. But you could say that about the hitler youth climate change gangs spying on parents and neighbours. The cause of the cause is where investigation needs to take place and bullying 'as a whole' is a sole result of how schools and society run. That's your job, not his. Now that would be 'directly making the lives of others better' instead of making legitimising gestures towards fixing issues they (tptb) cause and have every intention of making worse. Parents standing by clapping this crud because they can't see past the manipulation not only helps noone, but ensures it carries on.

All children in the same boat? So if they are all vaccinated with poison, made sterile, made ill and slave away for the rest of their brief lives for gangsters whilst the family unit is attacked at every opportunity, maleness is attacked, feminine is attacked and this is all alright because we are all in the same boat? I think not.

[stewart edwards]

That's your job, not his.Sit back and reflect for a moment on my posts here. They are just the iceberg of what I have been doing to make life better for everyone over recent years.

At a conceptual level I agree with you, our country and our world needs to take steps forwards, through clearly we disagree on the detail.

There are many who can confirm that I am a right pain in the ass when bullying, cover ups, etc take place. As you can image I have suffered a few "setbacks" over the years as a result of standing up to people in positions of power, though nowadays I seem to generate respect as opposed to grief.

I have found that the best way forward is not to fight, but to guide. People respond better to it. And most in power are not bad guys, they actually work darn hard and their hearts are in the right place, they are just either over worked (various reasons for this) or have huge egos (which is a failing of society).

[cruise4]

"Sit back and reflect for a moment on my posts here. They are just the iceberg of what I have been doing to make life better for everyone over recent years."

I understand what you are saying although extremely unsure on this point...

"And most in power are not bad guys"

Because I think they are, by default, whatever they or others may believe about them. It's the people that 'do it' that are the problem. For example I suspect many Council Tax inspectors are family men and are considered pillars of the community.... but they are scum for voluntarily doing the job. They cannot have it both ways.

Yes, I want drastic drastic action and I am very very angry about what's going on and I also think everyone else should be too. I have a vivid imagination and the horrors that these people are almost certainly involved with runs across my mind regularly. It's going to stop. And there I think we agree.

[revolutionary_jam]

[COLOR="Teal"] Council Tax is paying to live on the planet you were born on, the country you were born in.
what do you think of rent then?

[cruise4]

"what do you think of rent then?"

Renting of what?

[sunya]

I thought this was going to be an interesting thread but I have no idea what anyone is going on about.

[revolutionary_jam]

"what do you think of rent then?"

Renting of what?

being charged rent to live?