Is your brain really necessary?

[limelady]

I stumbled across this the other day and thought it was very interesting

When I was about 12 or 13, my father, an anethesiologist and professor of medicine and I were having lunch at the "Doctor's Table" near the hospital where he worked. One of his best friends, a surgeon with whom he frequently operated, got deep into a conversation concerning a young woman who had been brought to the hospital after a terrible car accident. When they had opened her skull to relieve pressure they were sure was there they were stunned to discover that in place of her "brain" she had a sack of fluid. Only the brain stem was present. Yet she was a cheerleader, an honors student, and about to go to Smith. They went round and round about this, but could reach no conclusion either could live with. By the end of the meal they were more frustrated than when they began.

Over the years, I would occasionally read about something similar and would track it as far up the information chain as I could get. By the 1970s, when I quit, I had 14 cases.

Like Savantism these reports suggested to me that the mind being the brain alone, simply doesn't work, either theoretically or in practice. This physicalist view lacks that aspect of self which exists outside time space, non-local consciousness.

read the rest HERE (http://www.nhne.org/news/NewsArticlesArchive/tabid/400/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3029/Is-Your-Brain-Really-Necessary.aspx).

[turquoisefyre]

i thought about this issue a while back. i don't think you need a brain. but it's a physical link to the ethereal mind.

[garth]

Hey lime trippy shit, but sorta makes sense. Memories are not stored in your brain, but are recorded in the matrix, this would confirm the widley held belief of a "life review" upon physical death where all your life events are "played back".

Could also tie in with near death experience as well, being an experience outside of physical embodiement, but an intrinsic part of the Matrix. Begs the question of how many "layers" of this matrix there are?

[infinitetruth]

I was reading about studies done on twins, that it is believed that they share a part of a mind which must exist outside the brain as they can feel things simultaneously when miles away from each other. They wondered if one died whether this part of the mind would survive or die. And whether it would survive after death at all. These cases of people living normal lives without brains but with intelligence and memory is living proof that life must exist outside the body and there is real probability of life beyond death.

[infinitely free]

Anyone, who has closely followed David Icke's research, would know that the role, of the Brain is highly overrated!

It's a hologram :(

[midwich cuckoo]

Mike the headless chicken -

http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/gallery/images/mike.jpg

He lived for 18 months without a head -

Mike the Headless Chicken's Amazing Story (http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.html)

[synergy777]

if your soul can experience other realms, then to me the brain is a transducer/decoder/cpu.

[infinitetruth]

True infinitely free and science does confirm that now. But this is the first time I have seen physical evidence reported of the brain not having a role in a living human.

[umbrex]

Of course u need your brain......

It's merely a mater of how big a part. I once saw a program where they treated a girl with severe ADD or smthng by removing the left side of her brain only. She lived and had a somewhat normal life.

However i do very seriously doubt the tale your fathers friend told you. Maybe a ½ truth. i don't believe u can function with only your brain stem at that level.

Honestly, use yours.

[synergy777]

the left side is the logical side, the right side the creative. the notion that you biological enity/body does not need a brain to operate is wrong. its the cpu of your biological system. however in etheral/astral terms, you can still be alive without it, however biological living without it, is a no brainer, lol

[limelady]

Of course u need your brain......

It's merely a mater of how big a part. I once saw a program where they treated a girl with severe ADD or smthng by removing the left side of her brain only. She lived and had a somewhat normal life.

However i do very seriously doubt the tale your fathers friend told you. Maybe a ½ truth. i don't believe u can function with only your brain stem at that level.

Honestly, use yours.


Hehehe O.K.....I will....but are you using your brain umbrex? :p

Have another look at my original post and you will see that I was merely posting that material from a link I found.....nothing to to with me personally :D

[infinitetruth]

Living without a Brain (http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Mysteries-of-the-Mind/Living-without-a-Brain.html)

Well according to this article it is possible, he described some of the subjects as having no "detectable brains."

I don't think you can dismiss the findings just like that, it needs to be seriously studied in a mature and open way, I know it's sounds crazy but as david icke says - at one time we thought a sphere earth was crazy.

[umbrex]

Hehehe O.K.....I will....but are you using your brain umbrex? :p

.....nothing to to with me personally :D

Yeah, sorry there love, almost forgot u were advocating regular function without a brain....

[tinmenace]

Mike the headless chicken -

http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/gallery/images/mike.jpg

He lived for 18 months without a head -

Mike the Headless Chicken's Amazing Story (http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.html)

Nah ah! :eek:

How was he nourished?

[midwich cuckoo]

Nah ah! :eek:

How was he nourished?

Obviously you didn't read the link. :p

With an eyedropper Mike was given grain and water

[tinmenace]

Obviously you didn't read the link. :p

Busted! :D

Poor Mike...

Well, if his head was stuck up his bum, a more appropriate name for him would have been "Dubya":p

[midwich cuckoo]

Well, if his head was stuck up his bum, a more appropriate name for him would have been "Dubya":p

Well yes Georgey boy does act like a headless chicken... or actually when I think about it, more like a drug addicted alcoholic murderer!. ;)

[limelady]

Well if its hard to get one's head around the idea that memories may be stored in some dimension outside of the brain (pun intended :D), then how about the idea of memories being stored 'holographically' within every cell of the human body?

There are many accounts of transplant recipients taking on the cellular memories, personality traits and other characteristics of their deceased organ doners.

The article at this link (http://www.realityseeds.com/2006/12/20/cellular-memories-mind-and-body-connections/) highlights evidence from clinical case studies that strongly suggests the essence of one person can be transferred to another another via human tissue cells.

Very interesting!

[Anders Lindman]

the left side is the logical side, the right side the creative. the notion that you biological enity/body does not need a brain to operate is wrong. its the cpu of your biological system. however in etheral/astral terms, you can still be alive without it, however biological living without it, is a no brainer, lol

I agree that the biological brain is needed for processing information. Memories may not be stored in the brain, at least not only stored in the brain, but for processing memories, the brain or some other processing 'unit' is needed I think.

The difference between the left and right side of the brain could be an imbalance rather than something natural. The social programming pumped into each person from birth to death may be the cause of this imbalance. To paraphrase Michael Tsarion: a pathological society creates a pathological programming of the brain, resulting in things such as lopsidedness between left and right side of the brain.

[Anders Lindman]

how about the idea of memories being stored 'holographically' within every cell of the human body?


That could absolutely be true. As I see it, all forms of matter are connected to the past and there are at least non-local connections between every point in space. The brain may be the closest access to memories, but the rest of the body may also have very close access to memories, and even physical matter outside the body may be accessed as memory. Similar to different memories in a computer; fast cache memory, RAM, hard drive, and the the Internet.

[teslafire]

to me the brain is a transducer/decoder/cpu.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Its a filter just like the eye.

I tend to think that the creation of mankind is the ultimate conspiracy, something like the genetic modification of soul.

Or something.

[misscpb]

Well if its hard to get one's head around the idea that memories may be stored in some dimension outside of the brain (pun intended :D), then how about the idea of memories being stored 'holographically' within every cell of the human body?

There are many accounts of transplant recipients taking on the cellular memories, personality traits and other characteristics of their deceased organ doners.

The article at this link (http://www.realityseeds.com/2006/12/20/cellular-memories-mind-and-body-connections/) highlights evidence from clinical case studies that strongly suggests the essence of one person can be transferred to another another via human tissue cells.

Very interesting!

:) You only have to listen to stories of people who have had readings of mediums, people they have never met, not known, have not given any information to them at all and just say yes or no to the mediums information. How does a so call dead person come through a medium to pass on information if that persons brain is buried and rotted away or indeed cremated and fried away! I agree with you limelady when it comes to the brain very much so.

[2013]

I read a story in a newspapaer in the 70s or ealry 80 i think about a boy in england who was born without a brain .He was virtually blind deaf and dumb but could crawl about and laughed a lot .I found a follow up story on him i n the unexpalined magazine , a weekly fortnightly publication covering all things paranormal .Also saw a newspaper report of a man who had an accident and was x-rayed in hospital and found to have only a small amount of brain at the stem connected to his spine , he lived a normal life and had never had any problems and didnt know before the x-ray.So there you go or wherever you go there you are . As for mind and memory i know that they reside within and without all things .Cells do store within them the memory of everything they have ever been .Its the biblical book of life ,the akashic record the part that mediums psychics and us ordianry people access eveytime we aquire information as in meditation or inspiration , intuition .This i feel expalins why some people have more of an affinity with nature animals trees the ocean etc , its because energy cannot be destroyed it only changes form , so as each cell becomes a part of something else it carries those memories with it for us to access if we want or others to read for us . memory is stored in stone and bone as they say .We are mostly water and water stores memory it has been shown i believe , check out dr emotos work with water molecules and crystals .We are all one alone al one ? words carry power as well water well ? it never stops lol . I recal thinking one night while meditating the song where is my mind was running thru my mind when i realised the thought was eminating from the region of my solar plexus not my head so that did it for me proof though non was needed . :D good thread lime :D

[jinjo5]

Of course u need your brain......

It's merely a mater of how big a part. I once saw a program where they treated a girl with severe ADD or smthng by removing the left side of her brain only. She lived and had a somewhat normal life.

However i do very seriously doubt the tale your fathers friend told you. Maybe a ½ truth. i don't believe u can function with only your brain stem at that level.

Honestly, use yours.
Its hilarious isnt it?...of course you need your brain,cant believe im replying to this,but anyway.......what keeps you going when youre asleep?...youre brain,of course.Although i know what the underlying question is getting at,cos the brain is seemingly under used.
There was a documentary in the 70/80's about people who had 'no brain' but were functioning normally,how come a bigger deal is not made of this info....surely its an earth shattering discovery.

[tru3]

according to much research i've done, the brain is a hologram.

The holographic or holonomic models of brain function have been used to explain the reconstruction of memories and the existence of non-localized functions within the brain. However these models have not fully explained how the transfer of a localized function, such as motor activity, occurs during recovery from a brain injury. The information contained in the damaged area must be relocated into a different functional area for the recovery of the orignal function, this transfer of information can not be explained by diffusion of "intelligent" proteins or similar organic molecules since these biomolecules are degraded in a short time after their release and neither are they able to carry the huge amount of information necessary to reconstruct the original functional pattern. The traditional holographic model proposes that memories about specific functions are stored redundantly in the brain during development and can therefore be restored into a new location if an injury occurs. If the damage occurs early in the individuals development, the re-establishment of function is almost complete. On the other hand, if the same injury occurs in an adult, the recovery of function is, with few exceptions, only partialy accomplished. Complicated holographic models involving many different areas of the brain (hipocampus, thalamus, hypothalamus, cerebral cortex, etc.) and an hipocampal rhythm activated or blocked by the septum as a source of coherent energy, have been proposed to explain memory storage and retrieval of some types of memories in the brain (Guglieri, 1977).This complex models contrasts with the simplicity of holographic theory discussed before.

A much coherent explanation of the holographic model of brain functioning derives from Orgonomy, ie.. the orgone field that surrounds the body and penetrates all organs can charge the tissues and achieve the expansion of the vital apparatus and restore the natural function of damaged organs (Reich, W.,1948, 1973). Therefor we can assume that the individual orgone field contains coded information capable of re-establishing normal cellular function and structure of every organ in the body. This orgone energy field could serve as the object wave for the transfer of information and reconstruction of function of a previously damaged area for an specific organ. The cosmic orgone field would serve as reference wave in the holographic model. The superposition of both fields reproduces, with minimal degradation, an original functional pattern of the damaged area in some new location. This simple model can explain how the original patters of cellular architecture are reproduced during the regeneration process not only in the brain, but in all living organisms.

In his studies of organ function, Dr. Reich proposed that blocking of orgone energy in muscles would impair the natural vegetative motility of the organism. This blockage of the individual orgone field into a stratified "muscular armor" (Panzerschichtung) would have a similar effect of braking the holographic plates into small fragments. If one of the fragments is illuminated by a laser beam with similar characteristics of the reference wave used for the whole holographic plate, the "reproduction" of the original object would be conserved although the neatness is dimished in proportion to decreasing size of the fragment. This would explain why in some cases the recovery of function is complete, while in others only a partial recovery occurs. Complete transfer of information from one site of the brain to another and regeneration of function of this organ presumes a well balanced, fluid and unblocked individual orgone field and mobile muscular armor as well as a clean, unpolluted, and strong atmospheric orgone field to re-establish the natural function of the organ. The theory, that a fluid and unblocked individual orgone field (object wave) is capable of carrying information (contained in orgone quanta or org) from all organs and is capable of using cosmic orgone energy as reference wave to restore the original cellular functions when a portion of an organ is damaged, is coherent with discoveries of Dr. Wilhelm Reich on cosmic orgone energy, individual orgone energy fields, biogenesis, orgontherapy and the holographic model of brain functioning.

http://www.orgone.org/articles/ax7ignc1.htm

I recall not long ago delivering a lecture on the subject, when out of the audience jumped a neuropharmacologist, trembling with rage, demanding to know: "How can you account for something like Broca's area?" He was referring to a part of the cerebrum known for 100 years to be vulnerable to stroke accompanied by the loss of speech. I cleared my throat to answer. But before I had the chance, a young psychophysicist, sprawled in a front-row seat, whipped his shoulder-length mane around and fired back, "You can't draw beer out of a barrel without a bung!"

It was a perceptive reply. For in holographic theory, functional centers such as Broca'sthese would act not to house specialized information but to pump it in or to call out programs in the form, say, of snarl, smile, utterance, equation, kiss, or thought. And sharp lines of distinction between innate and acquired information fade as far as storage itself is concerned area represent processing stations rather than storage depots. Rage, fear, hunger centers, the visual cortex at the back of the brain, or auditory areas at the sides--. Still, the theory does not completely rule out uneven distribution of memory, particularly in the complex brains of higher animals. Indeed, it is not hard to make a case for different storage within the two hemispheres of the human cerebrum. Michael Gazzaniga recently published an intriguing book on what has been known for almost twenty years as "split-brain" research. Begun in the early 1950s by Meyers and Sperry at Cal Tech, the technique involves cutting the corpus callosum, a broad thick strap of nerve fibers between the hemispheres. Success in the lab with cats and monkeys prompted neurosurgeons to split the corpus callosum in the human brain. They did so to alleviate violent, prolonged, drug-resistant grand mal epileptic seizures, and they had remarkable success, medically. But the patients emerged from surgery with two permanently disconnected personalities. With more such operations, the left cerebral hemisphere emerged as the dominant, verbal, arithmetic side, while the right brain held recollections of form and texture. The tendencies appear to hold whether patients were left- or right-handed. Early in 1971, music was found among the repertoire of the right hemisphere. Yet the outcome of split-brain surgery has never been absolute, nor the individual patient's subsequent behavior totally predictable. Both hemispheres can generate music in some people, and the right may have a vocabulary. In addition, a totally illiterate right hemisphere can learn to read and write in less than six months--as though it had a tremendous head start. On top of this, Gazzaniga's observations convince him that the consignment of memories to one side of the brain emerges with maturity. Children seem to employ both hemispheres. Thus it would seem that the brain can reshape its contents and make decisions about what will go where. But it is also quite possible that split-brain research identifies not unequal storage but unequal access. Like the reflected image of a written message, meaning would stay the same but translation would entail different steps. The cerebral hemispheres, after all, do mirror rather than carbon-copy each other.

At any rate, the brains of human beings and our close relatives seem to be many brains, orchestrated by virtue of connections like the corpus callosum. Moreover, our multisystem cranial contents seem to be in flux, physiologically. Different lights can flash off and on, moment to moment. Some of the switches lie under our direct control; others are no more within our deliberate, intellectual reach than the impulses driving a hungry shark or an amorous jackrabbit. Holographic theory does not deny conclusions of split-brain research. But it insists that, whatever the system used for storage, the information shall be layered in whole and repeated throughout. It denies that memory depends on minced-up and isolated bits filed in specific pigeonholes. Just what happens to be going on inside a brain when it's loading up with a particular hologram may determine which areas may and may not act as targets-- or how vivid the reconstructed scene becomes during some later translation into conscious form.

http://www.indiana.edu/~pietsch/shufflebrain.html

Life itself may be based on a holographic system consisting of coherence and interference. Order and patterns are the cornerstone of holography. Evolution itself might not be based on the Darwinian concept of random mutations, but rather, environmental stress and disequilibrium might have given rise to higher orders of organization.

Many scientists now believe the brain and body operate on holographic principles on the cellular, molecular, and neural levels. In Space-Time and Beyond, Bob Toben (1975, p. 130) describes how DNA contains the coding for orderly growth. "Nonlinearity in electrochemical reaction pathways of biological processes provides feedback patterns that are responsible for self-organization. On a deeper level, there may be self-organizing biogravitational fields whose structure determines the shape of biological molecules, cellular differentiation, and the overall shape of living systems".

Dissipative structures may provide a clue to the nature of Bohm's implicate order. Nobel prize winning chemist Ilya Prigogine (1980) discovered that some chemical systems develop into a more ordered arrangement, not a more disordered one. But how do these systems come into being? How can anything just suddenly pop into existence? Prigogine, like Bohm and Pribram, believes that dissipative structures are evidence of a deeper, more fundamental aspect of reality. "The increased limitation of deterministic laws means that we go from a universe that is closed, in which all is given, to a new one that is open to fluctuations, to innovations."

http://www.survey-software-solutions.com/walonick/reality.htm

how come a bigger deal is not made of this info....surely its an earth shattering discovery.

good question. who benefits from the belief that we are just our brain functions? that we are limited biological machines? who has funded most of the medical and scientific research in medical schools and universities over the last 100 years?

guess. ;)

[tru3]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Its a filter just like the eye.

I tend to think that the creation of mankind is the ultimate conspiracy, something like the genetic modification of soul.

Or something.


you may not be too far off, teslafire. see above.

especially, think about the implications of this: "Evolution itself might not be based on the Darwinian concept of random mutations, but rather, environmental stress and disequilibrium might have given rise to higher orders of organization."

imo, we've been monkeyed with since we were walking upright, maybe before.

[infinitely free]

according to much research i've done, the brain is a hologram.

Life itself may be based on a holographic system consisting of coherence and interference. Order and patterns are the cornerstone of holography. Evolution itself might not be based on the Darwinian concept of random mutations, but rather, environmental stress and disequilibrium might have given rise to higher orders of organization.

Many scientists now believe the brain and body operate on holographic principles on the cellular, molecular, and neural levels. In Space-Time and Beyond, Bob Toben (1975, p. 130) describes how DNA contains the coding for orderly growth. "Nonlinearity in electrochemical reaction pathways of biological processes provides feedback patterns that are responsible for self-organization. On a deeper level, there may be self-organizing biogravitational fields whose structure determines the shape of biological molecules, cellular differentiation, and the overall shape of living systems".

Dissipative structures may provide a clue to the nature of Bohm's implicate order. Nobel prize winning chemist Ilya Prigogine (1980) discovered that some chemical systems develop into a more ordered arrangement, not a more disordered one. But how do these systems come into being? How can anything just suddenly pop into existence? Prigogine, like Bohm and Pribram, believes that dissipative structures are evidence of a deeper, more fundamental aspect of reality. "The increased limitation of deterministic laws means that we go from a universe that is closed, in which all is given, to a new one that is open to fluctuations, to innovations."

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Great post, tru3!
I read the whole of it, and it was worth it! It is much appreciated ;)!

And that's what i'd like to see, on forums like this - more prove about the Illusion that we're living!!

cheers