Now we can have real democracy

[dlb2007]

Ok so I am watching Question time this evening and a topic came up regarding strictly come dancing. Then it hit me

all these shows we cast votes on, they are mere drudgery, mindless kack that does nothing to improve our lives and our freedom. Yet here we are in the 21st centuary with all the communication equipment to truely enable a true democracy.

Ok so the topic is fox hunting.. legal or illegal, it could be any from invasion of iraq to legalisation of marjuana

the leader of the pro fox hunting lobby debates the leader of the anti fox hunting lobby live on tv at the end of the debate the lines are open for our vote. calls cost 50p a minute from a typical bt landline other networks may vary and calls from a mobile will cost considerably more... but you get a vote.

We dont need mp's to vote on issues raised in a old building in london, we can here the debate for ourselves, cast our vote in seconds and counted in mnutes, we have the technology for true liberation, for real democracy.

why use the tv to dumb down and enslave the population, it has the potential to liberate and truely educate us.

would you vote for a party who's manifesto included that once in office they would use the already in place "parliment channel" for live public vote casting on all topics raised in the houses of commons that day. that every vote would count and be passed or rejected accordingly. Let the lords keep the house of lords, but we are the commons, that is our house right there and we should have a vote in what is being discussed, the technology is there, it is availible and its more than time we be given what we are entitled to, a real say in what happens to our country, to our people, to each other and to ourselves... who gives a sh!t about carol thatcher in some jugle eating a kangroo's cock, in simon cowels next undeniably tallentless set of wanna be's or indeed in John Sargents rather poor dancing when we really could be voting on important topics that will effect our own lives and the peoples we love

we can travel around the world and speak to many peoples in seconds from the comfort of our own homes and yet we can not have a vote on issues raised by and regarding our own people in our own country

[dlb2007]

how could someone bring this about, would a party have to be setup and stand in an election to do this or could there be another way?

[keystone]

Well they could start with our promised referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. :mad::mad:

[size_of_light]

1. Electronic voting is easy to rig.
2. 'Experts' debating issues are the problem.

[dlb2007]

There should be enough technology out there to prevent rigging.

I know what you mean about "experts" debating the issues...i.e posibility of misleading the public, it happens right now... But this way at least we would have a vote... our vote is given to our MP who is told how to vote by his party.

would it be possible for an elected party voted for by the public on this position to change our current system of parlimentary democracy to "true" democracy.

[size_of_light]

There should be enough technology out there to prevent rigging.

In the same way viruses keep evolving to bypass anti-viral software, it'll never be safe.

Would you trust anyone who told you the technology was 'rig proof' anyway?


I know what you mean about "experts" debating the issues...i.e posibility of misleading the public, it happens right now... But this way at least we would have a vote... our vote is given to our MP who is told how to vote by his party.

would it be possible for an elected party voted for by the public on this position to change our current system of parlimentary democracy to "true" democracy.

Paper balloting will always be the best method of voting precisely because it's so cumbersome, painstaking and labour-intensive, and therefore the most difficult method to rig on a large scale.

[truthseeker1980]

There should be enough technology out there to prevent rigging.

I know what you mean about "experts" debating the issues...i.e posibility of misleading the public, it happens right now... But this way at least we would have a vote... our vote is given to our MP who is told how to vote by his party.

would it be possible for an elected party voted for by the public on this position to change our current system of parlimentary democracy to "true" democracy.


Of course it's possible to do it, I thought the exact same thing when Pop Idol first started years ago. But they wont use the TV to liberate us, they see the TV as a brain washing device and will continue to use it that way.

It's not in their interest to do this as they know they would have a revolution on their hands when the people clearly vote for one thing and they do the exact opposite. At present the voting system is just how they want it, no-one really talks about who they voted for, if they voted at all.

If they did really want to bring in democracy they would have done it years ago, when Pop Idol first started. Can you imagine if they did and their was a People's party which you know all your friends and family voted for and u didn't know one person who didn't vote for them but then another bloodline party and politician is awarded the vote.

People are always talking about these kind of vote shows, so i'd imagine they would if the real election was done this way too, meaning it would be harder for the government to hoodwink us into believing their candidate won the vote. The people would uprise and they wouldn't be able to cope with it, so if they just keep it all as it is, they think that there isn't enough us more awake people to do anything about it.

BUT that's where they are wrong, more and more people are waking up to the lies everyday.

[njal]

Electronic voting could be made pretty secure if desired, I am sure.

But would anyone ever believe the whole thing wasn't rigged?
Lets face it, you wouldn't have to be paranoid to think that the outcome was predetermined.

[1694]

You are on the right track but we could go one step further.

Rather than an all or nothing democracy, 2 wolves and one sheep deciding whats for dinner, why not have an economic backbone.

You decide what to support by deciding how your tax is spent, so you allocate the % of tax you want to pay to each gov dept. If the MOD doesn't get enough money, they can't afford to go to war etc. but you as an indivdual can support the war if you like, that way everyone gets to decide exactly what they support with their efforts. It is total self governance.

The reasone it wont happen, what politician/civil servant will want to put himself out of the cushiest job in the world.

[smariot]

Voting is stupid. If there are two groups of voters, and the first group prefers option A but doesn't want option B, the second group prefers option B but doesn't want option A, and both groups are okay with option C, option C will never be chosen, because it was nobodies first choice, even though it would have made been the best compromise.

[lewi]

The audience of Question Time is full of que card readers so they get there face on t.v the audience wouldnt even have a say if it was not for them que cards. Its a joke of a show dont watch it no more unless you like watching brain dead card readers who smile for the camara as there told what to say and for there poll system they are rigged like the show i mean someone has to pay for them que card writers.