Chemtrail Conspriracy Theory (Telegraph)

[icke_is_right]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html

History's greatest conspiracy theories

30. Chemtrails - Chemtrail conspiracy theorists believe that some contrails, which consist of ice crystals or water vapor condensed behind aircraft, actually result from chemicals or biological agents being deliberately sprayed at high altitude for some undisclosed purpose. The staple of right-wing radio shows in the US, there is fevered speculation that the chemicals being sprayed are part of a wider plot that involves the so-called New World Order and is being directed by shadowy forces within the government. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by federal agencies and scientists.

[icke_is_right]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer

Sunday April 21, 2002

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

antony.barnett@observer.co.uk

[anthony65]

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

Norman Baker MP is the man who forced the Government to confess! :)

[christuffer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html?image=3


Note this one on HAARP. The Telegraph diss the theories but fail to give any reason for its existence.


Patronising wankers.

[pinkfreud]

shouldn't this be in the chemtrails/global warming thread :confused:

[abaddon]

Clinton admitted...

"Thousands of Government experiments did take place; at Hospitals, Universities, and Millitary bases, around our nation. Some were unethical, not only by todays standards, but by the standards of the time in which they were conducted.
They failed both the test of our National Values, and the test of Humanity.

The United States offers a sincere apology to our citizens exposed to these experiments, their families and communities etc."

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

Isn't that always the case? Makes sense, I 'spose.

So, when are you due for another apology??:confused:

Edit: I found a few others in the top 30 got the blood boiling...

[anthony65]

Clinton admitted...





Isn't that always the case? Makes sense, I 'spose.

So, when are you due for another apology??:confused:

Edit: I found a few others in the top 30 got the blood boiling...

I'm not quite sure whether I understand you correctly. ** When I get worked up below it's not aimed at you abbadon! My blood started boiling too. I'm tired of being lectured to and ridiculed by media trolls who are the defenders of war criminals and mass murderers! :mad:

The point is, Norman Baker MP (bless his heart) obliged the British Government to admit to testing on the UK population up to the year 1979, include aerial spraying operations.

Is anybody expected to believe that they stopped such activities in 1979?

Makes sense?

:eek:

For the criminals doing the spraying, yes, but not for the unwitting victims! :mad:

And the Daily Telegraph casually dismisses any talk of chemtrails.

Despite the admission that the Government did this in the past.

Geoengineering, now apparently referred to as "Planetary Engineering" is real Dr Strangelove territory. Government scientists who treat the earth as a play pen for their half-baked Rockefeller-inspired fascist science... :mad:

Planetary engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scroll down and you'll see reference to Stratosphere sulfur-spraying: proposed by Paul Crutzen with the purpose to modify the earth's albedo with reflective or absorptive materials spread over portions of its surface

This is no right wing conspiracy rubbish. This is hard science.

And this is what it would look like according to German mainstream TV. They not only claim that this is a theory and not being carried out, but they also point out that sulphur is poisonous.

Chemtrails - YouTube

Should we trust the same establishment that brought us agent orange and depleted uranium? The people who lied to us about asbestos and smoking? The people who lied their way to war in Iraq?

I do not trust the murderers of innocents! :mad:

[icke_is_right]

shouldn't this be in the chemtrails/global warming thread :confused:

It's in today's paper. The mainstream news are putting forward the view is that chemtrails are pure 'conspiracy theory'.

For me it's interesting when such subjects are written about in the mainstream. This thread shows that they are not telling the truth.

[abaddon]

Clarification:

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
Makes sense to me- hence we actively hunt this kind of information we aren't privy to. Curiousity/cat etc:rolleyes:

Blood boiling
Some of those top 30 I obviously feel aren't 'Conspiricy';)

Is anybody expected to believe that they stopped such activities in 1979?
Not if it is 'not our policy to discuss ongoing research"

This is no right wing conspiracy rubbish. This is hard science.
Hence the boiling blood

Edit: Ref Germany, didn't they already admit to atmospheric radar-deflecting airborne metal particle thingies, they were sprung with a nationwide 'metallic cloud' (?) via weather satellites IIRC? Nano or not I'm not sure, I remember a thing about Cosmetics inventory containing nanometals, and wasn't tested thoroughly before production? bah babbling now :p

[anthony65]

Of all the issues that make me rage, I think top of the list is the use of depleted uranium in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

Google Depleted Uranium Babies or Depleted Uranium Children and the images you see are appalling.

It makes me rage and weep at the same time to see the suffering of these innocents.

Wars based on lies.

Wars based on "profit".

But after those feelings of anger and sadness I feel determined to stop this evil.

The United States and United Kingdom are murdering innocents every day based on the lies of Blair and Bush and with the blessing of the media and internet trolls who seek to stop the full truth from reaching the masses!

I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more! :mad:

[disorder2k8]

Yeah this is a disgrace, its so obvious they arn't contrails I have been taking picture evidence for months now. There is too much proof that points to cloud seeding.

Contrails disappear, chemtrails spread out and form clouds on otherwise fine and clear/sunny days. yes, its unusual for us to have a sunny and clear day in november but at least its not manipulated to be a lie.

[anthony65]

Clarification:

Edit: Ref Germany, didn't they already admit to atmospheric radar-deflecting airborne metal particle thingies, they were sprung with a nationwide 'metallic cloud' (?) via weather satellites IIRC? Nano or not I'm not sure, I remember a thing about Cosmetics inventory containing nanometals, and wasn't tested thoroughly before production? bah babbling now :p

There were references in Germany made to the use of chaff by the military, but this isn't chemtrails as I understand it. This was a diversion methinks!

[musics]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer

Sunday April 21, 2002

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

antony.barnett@observer.co.uk

:eek:unbelievable, and the public still trust that the Government cares about their well being.....crazy\

musics

[anthony65]

:eek:unbelievable, and the public still trust that the Government cares about their well being.....crazy\

musics

Not so unbelievable that the general public still trust them. They will never read this article.

Unbelievable are the posters on this forum for example who still defend the establishment at every opportunity and ridicule those who take a stand! :mad:

The media and internet trolls have the blood of innocents on their hands! :mad:

[Ian2day]

Secret drug exposure happens all the time. It's in the milk, eggs and bread that it gets hidden. Water supplies also are used to test out new ways of messing with us all. How about alcohol in the pubs as well.

[antinwo]

I like the fact they have published details about chemtrails in the paper (even if they make it out like it is a conspiracy theory) for me at least it shows the subject is getting noticed and talked about and that can only be a good thing. And it is easy for the press to call anything that is true a conspiracy theory they do this so people will be more inclined to think it aint true