Evolution vs Alien Origins

[gizmocrystal]

Hi there!

What is the general concensus on this board?

I am leaning more towards the theory of alien seeding, i dont know why, havent got any evidence it just feels more than probable, than things just springing up from microbes etc. (IMO)

Is there anything i could read that talks about this theory from people who have credentials (sp)

What are the arguments for and against?

Many thanks
Gizmo

[lordzoma]

gizmo, why don't you refer to my

sirians/orions/language of the stars

thread

and read the terra papers to see my, and robert morning sky's take on things.

[haukipesukone]

Why give only two options and pit them against each other, Evolution vs Alien Origins? They're not necessarily mutually exclusive, or perhaps both are simply wrong.

I don't believe in evolution (except the thing they call microevolution), so I'm happy to see there are others like me.

Being created by aliens sounds like a plausible option.

[lordzoma]

EVOLUTION ABSOLUTELY EXISTS

Many people seem to equate the existence of evolution with the assumption that the current state of mankind resulted from evolution, which it did NOT.

[hepcatdsm]

I think that if you doubt that we came from a monkey a long long time ago...you must be blind are you are ultimately looking for something out there to be responsible for OUR evolution.

Why do we say that human are more special than other living thing on earth?

Isn't plausible that when you('you' is not necessarily a human being, it goes for all living cell) are stuck to live somewhere in a certain condition and you want to survive, you will use all your resources to survive(except if you are suicidal)? Isn't that called adaptation? If you can adapt to your environment...you must be from an alien origin...!...LOL

What made us 'that intelligent' compared to other types of animals? You might want to have a look at your thumb! Think of any other animal(monkey, raccoons, squirrel, marsupials, beavers, etc..) with the same(or close) finger configuration and you will see that 'intelligence' is derived from your thumb. Intelligence is the extension of your ability to use/modify your environment to suits your needs. If you can't manipulate objects, you can't really modify your environment...you won't learn over the years how to better manipulate the same object...you won't master the general technique of manipulation of object...you won't be able to create, adapt, develop things!

Natural selection: (wiki) Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common, due to differential reproduction of genotypes.

Ever wonders why there are still monkeys and gorillas while we are here? Because they adapted long time ago to their environment, it did not change that much since then:

(wiki again) In September 2005, a two and a half year old gorilla in the Republic of Congo was discovered using rocks to smash open palm nuts inside a game sanctuary.[19] While this was the first such observation for a gorilla, over forty years previously chimpanzees had been seen using tools in the wild, famously 'fishing' for termites. It is a common tale among native peoples that gorillas have used rocks and sticks to thwart predators, even rebuking large mammals.[citation needed] Great apes are endowed with a semi-precision grip, and certainly have been able to use both simple tools and even weapons, by improvising a club from a convenient fallen branch.

Why would the 'intelligence' of the gorilla develop more if he stays at the same place, eating the same thing, over and over again...?

1-Our(gorillas and humans) common ancestor is a chimpanzee
2-gorillas evolved from chimpanzee, but stayed in their forest doing the same thing, eating the same thing
3-humans evolved from chimpanzee, but we were a bunch of chimps more curious and more entrepreneur...we decided to travel...we decided to follow the meat(mammoth,etc) as it moves...WE DID NOT STAY IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT
4-WE HAD TO ADAPT AS WE MOVE WITH THE meat
5-WE HAD TO DEVELOP TOOLS DURING OUR JOURNEY
6-WE BECAME MORE INTELLIGENT

Their is no need for an alien boost

[1694]

Why did we have to evolve from chimps? Why not just emerge in parrallel?

[hepcatdsm]

Why did we have to evolve from chimps? Why not just emerge in parallel?

Exactly! gorillas evolved from chimps, humans evolved from chimps. But at the beginning one group of chimps decided to explore(or were forced to move) it's surroundings instead of living at the same place. They were forced to adapt to the new environments they encountered, and the human was born. Another group continued living at the same original spot and led to the gorillas. Chimps are still here because their original environment is still there also.

So, in short, there was a split(INSTEAD OF A MISSING LINK) after the chimpanzee that gave birth to 2 species: gorillas and humans.

Humans developed,adapted more(compared to the gorillas) because they were always encountering new environments and obstacles.

Gorillas(as for the chimps) stayed in their original type of environment but they are the version 2.0 of the chimpanzee.

Chimpanzees are still here because there is no reason why they should have been extinct(predators are the same, no natural catastrophes, no 'war' between gorillas and chimps, compared with the supposedly 'war' between homo erectus and homo sapiens sapiens). If you look at this picture, you will be able to visualize how humans evolved:

'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Humanevolutionchart.png'

As you can see, both homo sapiens sapiens and homo erectus are from the same branch: homo ergaster. This branch split long time ago like it did for the gorillas from the chimps.

[1694]

Exactly! gorillas evolved from chimps, humans evolved from chimps. But at the beginning one group of chimps decided to explore(or were forced to move) it's surroundings instead of living at the same place. They were forced to adapt to the new environments they encountered, and the human was born. Another group continued living at the same original spot and led to the gorillas. Chimps are still here because their original environment is still there also.

So, in short, there was a split(INSTEAD OF A MISSING LINK) after the chimpanzee that gave birth to 2 species: gorillas and humans.

Humans developed,adapted more(compared to the gorillas) because they were always encountering new environments and obstacles.

Gorillas(as for the chimps) stayed in their original type of environment but they are the version 2.0 of the chimpanzee.

Chimpanzees are still here because there is no reason why they should have been extinct(predators are the same, no natural catastrophes, no 'war' between gorillas and chimps, compared with the supposedly 'war' between homo erectus and homo sapiens sapiens). If you look at this picture, you will be able to visualize how humans evolved:

'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Humanevolutionchart.png'

As you can see, both homo sapiens sapiens and homo erectus are from the same branch: homo ergaster. This branch split long time ago like it did for the gorillas from the chimps.

Im saying how come we can't just say, there was humans, there was chimps and there apes, and probably loads of other varieties of similar things ala insects all at the same stage of "evolution" some survived and adapted, some died.

Given we are a mix of carbon etc. pour a bucket of carbon on the floor in african desert it will form a similar pile to that of, autralian or US desert. Pour a bucket of carbon out in the jungle and the humidity will give the pile a different structure, although a simialr shape, pour that carbon into the ocean and it forms a big cloud of carbon totally different to any of the others.

Basic environmental forces, or stress fields, or vibrations etc affect the patterns that elements form. The elements form coumounds, the compounds form structures, the structures form DNA, humans "appear." The same elements have a similar but different enviromnent, form similar structures, similar compounds, similar DNA (but not the same) chimps "appear."

This is why similar animals can emerge in similar environments completely independantly of eachother.

[xpleet]

Everyone who understands the nature of the Universe which is ultimately a prison and a virtual reality, a fake creation and a power-game of the dark-forces, also understands that it has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

The universe is going around, it is circling not moving, it is a mary-go-round that has nothing to do with evolvement of any kind.

The top agents of the overlords who control this realm, came in spacecraft and used to seed the planets from time to time because when things go out of order aproximately every 20.000 years, the civilizations are swept and "restarted" (Noah story) then the (hi)story of the universe repeats itself.

It is easier to understand the fake-ness if one understands that spirits are simply "implanted" in the chakra system, then the brain which is of course then hooked to the physical body.

[hepcatdsm]

Im saying how come we can't just say, there was humans, there was chimps and there apes, and probably loads of other varieties of similar things ala insects all at the same stage of "evolution" some survived and adapted, some died.

Well...you certainly know that there is a way of dating anything that has carbon in it. What happens when you find one specie for a certain period of time but you don't find it for other periods? Isn't more logical to say that this specie only lived for that period found instead of saying that maybe, even if we don't find any datable archeological evidence of their possible presence before or even after the findings, all species could have lived during the same period?

We DON'T find them all at the same time...the only logical conclusion from our findings is that they evolved...

[hepcatdsm]

Everyone who understands the nature of the Universe which is ultimately a prison and a virtual reality, a fake creation and a power-game of the dark-forces, also understands that it has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

The universe is going around, it is circling not moving, it is a mary-go-round that has nothing to do with evolvement of any kind.

The top agents of the overlords who control this realm, came in spacecraft and used to seed the planets from time to time because when things go out of order aproximately every 20.000 years, the civilizations are swept and "restarted" (Noah story) then the (hi)story of the universe repeats itself.

It is easier to understand the fake-ness if one understands that spirits are simply "implanted" in the chakra system, then the brain which is of course then hooked to the physical body.

Even in a virtual controlled world, there are rules/constraints for the illusion...evolution is one of them, being human is another. If there are no constraints, it is not an illusion, it is all endless possibilities of occurring

[gizmocrystal]

gizmo, why don't you refer to my

sirians/orions/language of the stars

thread

and read the terra papers to see my, and robert morning sky's take on things.

Thanks for that i will have a look!:)

[marc_o]

I think that if you doubt that we came from a monkey a long long time ago...you must be blind


Thats a pretty poor way of looking at things. I could say you are blind for not recognising the vastly superior nature of humans to any other species on the planet, and that there isn't an X factor fuelling that vast superiority.



Why do we say that human are more special than other living thing on earth?



Because we've understood and utilised the laws of nature and the universe to such a mind-boggling degree, something that surpasses more than words can explain the achivements of any other species.



What made us 'that intelligent' compared to other types of animals? You might want to have a look at your thumb! Think of any other animal(monkey, raccoons, squirrel, marsupials, beavers, etc..) with the same(or close) finger configuration and you will see that 'intelligence' is derived from your thumb.



This is a pretty bold theory. Again this alludes to the chicken or the egg. Did environment mould humans (eg thumbs promote intelligent use of resources) or did our great capacity for emotion and understanding shape our environment. Also, where is the missing link? The peeps in between humans and chimps? Maybe some aliens came and had sexy times with some chimps.





1-Our(gorillas and humans) common ancestor is a chimpanzee
2-gorillas evolved from chimpanzee, but stayed in their forest doing the same thing, eating the same thing
3-humans evolved from chimpanzee, but we were a bunch of chimps more curious and more entrepreneur...we decided to travel...we decided to follow the meat(mammoth,etc) as it moves...WE DID NOT STAY IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT
4-WE HAD TO ADAPT AS WE MOVE WITH THE meat
5-WE HAD TO DEVELOP TOOLS DURING OUR JOURNEY
6-WE BECAME MORE INTELLIGENT




That collection of words looks like it was put together by chimps. We adapted as we moved with the meat? Isn't it wiser to just chill in the forest and munch leaves rather than chase scary dangerous animals? Fair enough you dont believe in the alien origins stuff, but you speak like you know evolution is truth, when in fact no proof whatsoever exists on earth supporting the theory of evolution.

[hepcatdsm]

Thats a pretty poor way of looking at things. I could say you are blind for not recognising the vastly superior nature of humans to any other species on the planet, and that there isn't an X factor fuelling that vast superiority.

So describe this vastly superior nature of us? WHAT is VASTLY SUPERIOR?


Because we've understood and utilised the laws of nature and the universe to such a mind-boggling degree, something that surpasses more than words can explain the achivements of any other species.

LAWS of nature, and LAWS of the universe are both ARBITRARY-RELATIVISTIC point of views of our environment.
Would we have learn metallurgy if we did not need to use metals? No
Would we have learn agriculture if we did not need to eat? No
It was pretty much a 'Need-to-know-basis'!
Nowadays, people don't need to grow their food or forge their blades...they have time to do something else: Learn things that are not necessary

If you believe that only us human can ACHIEVE something, take a look a that: Ants subterranean structures revealed!!!!?! - YouTube


This is a pretty bold theory. Again this alludes to the chicken or the egg. Did environment mould humans (eg thumbs promote intelligent use of resources) or did our great capacity for emotion and understanding shape our environment. Also, where is the missing link? The peeps in between humans and chimps? Maybe some aliens came and had sexy times with some chimps.

I just answered that: WE mold ourselves according to our environment with the help of the thumb! The thumb promotes MANIPULATION ; i.e: not been confined to use something the way it is found in the environment.
The emotion part...well if you ever played with a dog or a cat, you should now know they have a personality, emotions and all...you might just be to PROUD of humans to accept something small like an animal is as 'intelligent emotionally' to a human. We human...are just FANCIER and COMPLEX than other species
Alien sex thing: Yeah...like it is SOOOO much easy, rational and normal to believe aliens did this...

That collection of words looks like it was put together by chimps. We adapted as we moved with the meat? Isn't it wiser to just chill in the forest and munch leaves rather than chase scary dangerous animals?

You were talking about the 'great capacity for emotion and understanding shape our environment'. Even with all their mental abilities, animal,chimps and human never gets bored of the same old thing they eat!? When your population grows big enough so the little plants in the forest cannot asses the food/energy demand...well you start hunting for more energetic food...MEAT


Fair enough you dont believe in the alien origins stuff, but you speak like you know evolution is truth, when in fact no proof whatsoever exists on earth supporting the theory of evolution.

I DO BELIEVE IN ALIENS and
YOU don't believe in ppl like me that tries to make sense out of ppl like you and the kind of ppl you say I am.
So, If you are not ready to learn about the 2 sides(possibly a multiplicity of sides) and really weight the defense argument of each... you are not searching for the truth

You won't accept the fact because it doesn't make us human special!!!

[zedd]

We did not evolve from chimpanzees and the theory of evolution does not state that we do. We (current primates of today) evolved from a common primate ancestor.

[element]

All 3: creationism, evolution and intervention could be, and probably are true.
just not in the current accepted sense.

I'm sure there is some 'creation' at work, and intervention is highly likely considering DNA and similar, seemingly ''unconnected'' ''myths''.

It's all probably much more different then all the traditional boxes believe it to be!

[kay123]

We did not evolve from chimpanzees and the theory of evolution does not state that we do. We (current primates of today) evolved from a common primate ancestor.

Yes. This is why so many people (sheeple) poo-poo the theory of evolution, as they immediately assume that we were supposed to have "evolved from chimpanzees."

[smariot]

Directed panspermia isn't the answer to the origin of life, as the aliens that brought life here would themselves be alive. Where did the aliens come from?
Evolution doesn't attempt to explain the origin of life, that would be abiogenesis.