Lisbon Vote II - Irish Posters Call to Action

[endlessvista]

Right, we are about to have this rammed down our necks again in the name of "democracy". I personally am not going to let this happen without come counter propganda of my own. I am currently designing leaflets which I will insert into every printed Irish Government document in as many public buildings in the Greater Dublin Area between now and the next Lisbon Polling Day.

The current EU Occupational Embassy in Dail Eireann will wage a major propaganda war against our democratic choce in Ireland in order to push this Lisbon "Treaty" upon us and destory our soverignity.

They will do everything from play the Climate Change angle for the sactimonious upper middle class sheeples, to bribing the greedy and selfish Irish farmers to get this Lisbon vote passed.

I do hope all other Irish posters on this forum do their own tangible little bit to fight against this farce and send out your own message to your local community that NO MEAN NO.

Anything you can think of from posters to youtube videos to leaving leaflets on buses and trains. Anything within reason. Get the truth out there.

Lisbon II a narrow winner: poll
Search Query: Independent.ie Web Search

By Aine Kerr Political Correspondent

Monday November 17 2008

A new poll says the Government would narrowly win a second Lisbon Treaty, as a minister last night said a decision on a vote will be taken in the next three weeks.

The poll says that if the treaty was modified to include a number of concessions, a 'Yes' vote might be possible.

It found that if there were certain assurances made on a number of issues, 43pc would vote 'Yes' while 39pc would vote 'No'.

A total of 18pc say they don't know; but when they were excluded by pollsters, the margin would be 52.5pc 'Yes' with 47.5pc against.

The news came as the Government gave its strongest hint yet that it will force voters to take part in a second vote on the treaty.

[simplify]

Right, we are about to have this rammed down our necks again in the name of "democracy". I personally am not going to let this happen without come counter propganda of my own. I am currently designing leaflets which I will insert into every printed Irish Government document in as many public buildings in the Greater Dublin Area between now and the next Lisbon Polling Day.

The current EU Occupational Embassy in Dail Eireann will wage a major propaganda war against our democratic choce in Ireland in order to push this Lisbon "Treaty" upon us and destory our soverignity.

They will do everything from play the Climate Change angle for the sactimonious upper middle class sheeples, to bribing the greedy and selfish Irish farmers to get this Lisbon vote passed.

I do hope all other Irish posters on this forum do their own tangible little bit to fight against this farce and send out your own message to your local community that NO MEAN NO.

Anything you can think of from posters to youtube videos to leaving leaflets on buses and trains. Anything within reason. Get the truth out there.

I don't believe what the polls say.....they too are part of the propaganda campaign to make people believe that the next treaty will be a yes vote, so don't be the odd man out so to speak. What can those of us overseas do to help out?

[keystone]

I don't believe what the polls say.....they too are part of the propaganda campaign to make people believe that the next treaty will be a yes vote, so don't be the odd man out so to speak. What can those of us overseas do to help out?

and this

A total of 18pc say they don't know; but when they were excluded by pollsters, the margin would be 52.5pc 'Yes' with 47.5pc against.

just goes to show how easily these things are rigged to get the answer they want.

[endlessvista]

No matter what you think of Ganley, he is showing up the Irish politicians for the sleazy, democracy hating EU toadies they all are. Some of the quotes here are brilliant.


Government 'would risk collapse' in Lisbon rerun
By Aine Kerr Political Correspondent
Wednesday November 19 2008

LIBERTAS chief Declan Ganley yesterday claimed a second rejection of the Lisbon Treaty would probably cause the collapse of the Government, or very senior members of it.

During a three-hour Dail committee debate, featuring robust and angry exchanges, Mr Ganley told political parties: "You lost. Get over it."

He also conceded that Ireland would be "persecuted" if it failed to ratify the treaty, but insisted it was a price worth paying for democracy.

"We should not, we should not, I beg you, make the mistake of recommending a rerun of this referendum because it will be lost. It will be lost for a multitude of facts," he said.

"Let's not have another referendum because if it's 'No' it will probably provoke the collapse of the Government or some senior figures in it."

A game of "charades" is currently being played out in an effort to try and walk the country into a second referendum, he said.

Appearing before the Oireachtas Committee on Ireland's Future in Europe yesterday morning, the Libertas founder claimed that pressure to isolate Ireland was coming not only from Brussels, but from within Government ranks here.

Mr Ganley said the country, was being "bullied" by its European counterparts, adding: "I've been told by representatives of governments that I've met, who met with our Government, that it is our wish to be isolated."

Dead

Under repeated questioning from Fianna Fail's Timmy Dooley, Mr Ganley refused to outline what aspects of the treaty he would like to see negotiated, insisting instead that a whole new document was required.

If European officials refuse to produce it because they do not have the "will or energy", they should resign, he claimed.

"Irish people closed it [the Lisbon Treaty]. It's a dead document ... the Taoiseach gave away our best negotiating card by not declaring it dead."

Following half an hour of repeated questioning about his claim during the campaign that three-year-old children could be detained for educational purposes under the Charter of Fundamental Rights, Labour's Joe Costello said Mr Ganley was "strong on rhetoric and short on specifics".

"Libertas is a mass of contradictions and scaremongering," he added.

Asked by Independent Senator Ronan Mullen if Ireland would be "persecuted" for failing to ratify the treaty, Mr Ganley replied: "Yes, if we don't go along with it, there will be chastisement, but that's the price we have to pay for standing up for democracy.

"Fear of persecution or chastisement is a poor adviser."

In his opening address, Mr Ganley said Ireland's membership of the EU had been "extremely beneficial" and the Libertas chief also insisted that Ireland should remain at the heart of Europe.

But he said there was now the opportunity for a "new European Renaissance" and for Ireland to offer a "breath of fresh air and a reinvigoration of the European ideal".

As Libertas had not drafted their alternative to the treaty, Fine Gael's Lucinda Creighton said it was clear they had no "precise alternatives".

Eamon de Valera, who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty, at least had the "good grace" to come with an alternative treaty, she said.

Under questioning from Fianna Fail TD Beverly Flynn, who queried Mr Ganley's previous assertion that the Common Agricultural Policy was a "weapon of mass destruction", the Libertas chief said payments were being handed out in a way that was "somewhat offensive to the dignity of farmers".

Mr Ganley said there had to be a system of payments which ensured large farming enterprises did not benefit to the detriment of smaller farmers.

- Aine Kerr Political Correspondent

[endlessvista]

I already have my leaftlets printed and off to governmetn offices I go!

[lhaull]

Come on Ireland!
You can defeat this again.
Surely there must be some kind of legislation that says they cant keep asking for a referendum on this if they don't get the result they want, until it finally passes and then stop having referendums?
Surely that's naughty and grounds for a severe spanking with a brick?

[tien an]

"...that three-year-old children could be detained for educational purposes under the Charter of Fundamental Rights...".

That's my daughter they're talking about.

I don't give a flying f**k if it's considered scaremongering or not; if that phrase is anywhere near this "treaty", it should be thrown straight in the bin and a good law firm sought to deliberate on the possibility of impeaching TPTB in Brussels.!

Does everyone in the UK realize that not only did a referendum on this treaty figure in the Labour Party's Manifesto at the last general election, but that GB has already ratified it in our name?
Do you realize that the above-mentioned also want to render sex-education for 4-yr-olds mandatory?

I have to ask myself what else is in the treaty that I might just happen to disagree with...

Thank God Eire and the Czech Republic (or have they capitulated?) refuse to ratify it.

God help us if this ever becomes EU policy.

(I will not only declare myself a Freeman on the Land but I'll create a principality of my own too).

To any Irishmen/women reading this: Please do the right thing. We've had the liberty of deciding for ourselves taken away from us...forgive us 700 years of occupation and all the bad jokes...

SAY NO!

[zero1]

I already have my leaftlets printed and off to government offices I go!

Pin one on Brian Cowan's fat fucking face for me, will you? ;):D:p

[dangermouse]

I already have my leaftlets printed and off to governmetn offices I go!

good on ya

[thebarfly1]

Looks like i'll be having to take to the streets again........

And i think everybody else here based in Ireland should too!

We beat our servants (the govt) already, gave them a little slap on the wrists about their beaviour... Now its time to drive the message home!

They're getting their control powers in place early this time, was listening to matt cooper last week and there was a TD on the radio complaining about a catholic magazine printing articles about the possible detrimental effects of the treaty... When it was put to him that another catholic magazine was printing articles in favour he said that that was fine..... :rolleyes:
Made quite the ass of himself!

It's easy to see however, that the media are priming up the public for a switch in opinion from Fianna Fail to Fine Gael... Or more appropriately, from the Masons to the Knights of Columbanus....
Same sh1t different name? Don't know a whole lot about the Knights, maybe somebody here could shed some light...

[seanie]

I already have my leaftlets printed and off to governmetn offices I go!

fair play man, if you need a hand give us a shout

[teri]

"No2Lisbon re-vote appeal to Mary McAleese President of Ireland" hosted on http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LisbonNO/
please sign she has the power to stop the re-vote :)

[simplify]

this may sound like a silly question, but does it count if those of us who don't live in Ireland sign the petition?

[stewart edwards]

I dont get this.

I am not only fully behind the creation of a United States of Earth (however it is termed) I will do whatever is in my power to bring it about.

But, and this is a big but.... The people have to want it.

I have no idea why the powers that be make things so complicated by including all sorts of provisions that people dont want etc. There is a far simple solution that works for everyone (well probably some will object):-

Keep power devolved as far as practicable. (I am Scots remember). Keep nations independent. But have them working closer together as far as practicable. There are plenty of benefits to working together better and integrating more and more - job mobilitty, grants, health care choice, no war between nations etc, that I just dont "get" why you need to have such stringent detailed clauses and power at the top.

To me it seems like the EU is so driven by expansion that it has shot itself in the foot. It seems to have got so focused on the wood that it has forgotten the trees. Back to basics and it will be much more beneficial, influential and indeed powerful.

Perhaps I need to get a job in the EU so that I can understand this "drive" better. So the Irish dont want it, fine that is their choice, there are plenty of other countries happy to enjoy the mutual benefits of integration.

For the record I do think that the UK should have had a referendum. There are plenty of positives that can be sold for people to vote "yes". Slim it down, keep it relevant, keep it beneficial to citizens. If the EU isnt careful it could turn from an organisation of light to one of darkness, and if that happens it will unravel.

[breezinreezin]

This is the EU doing a Mrs Doyle--gwon, gwon, gwon, gwon, gwon, gwon

Just follow Father Jack's example: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-10vF5Xhs
:D:D:D