The illuminati/nwo and the bible

[newdecades]

one of the reasons that makes me question whether the bible actually holds the 'truth' that will bring the downfall of the illuminati/nwo is the fact that they have allowed the bible to survive and be the best selling book of all time. it seems like if a book tells the truth of their downfall they would have stoped it from getting out. they did it to the beliefs of the ancient people. they made sure, and did a good job, to destroy the beliefs of the ancient people yet they've allowed the bible to live on. seems kind of weird doesn't it? it seems to me that they have a reason for letting the bible be so well known.

[armoured_amazon]

one of the reasons that makes me question whether the bible actually holds the 'truth' that will bring the downfall of the illuminati/nwo is the fact that they have allowed the bible to survive and be the best selling book of all time. it seems like if a book tells the truth of their downfall they would have stoped it from getting out. they did it to the beliefs of the ancient people. they made sure, and did a good job, to destroy the beliefs of the ancient people yet they've allowed the bible to live on. seems kind of weird doesn't it? it seems to me that they have a reason for letting the bible be so well known.

They don't need to destroy the Bible. They've taken God out of society and for the cults that remain, masquerading as Christ-led consciousness, they have completely absorbed them for reasons of power and finance. Even if the Bible was destroyed, people would spread the gospel by mouth.

:)

[newdecades]

They don't need to destroy the Bible. They've taken God out of society and for the cults that remain, masquerading as Christ-led consciousness, they have completely absorbed them for reasons of power and finance. Even if the Bible was destroyed, people would spread the gospel by mouth.

:)

that's true but the fact is they've allowed the bible to survive. if they didn't want people to be followers of the bible they would have destroyed it like they did to a lot of the ancient people's beliefs. it would have survived by word of mouth but it would have been nowhere near as popular as it has been. i would like to see the stuff they've destroyed, i think that's where more truths lie.
another reason they may have let the bible be so popular besides being able to use it to cause confrontations between people is maybe they know we don't totally understand it like we think we do. I think it's pretty obvious the creation story didn't really happen so maybe there are hidden truths in these stories that they assume we'de never figure out.

[agent99]

The thing is, the illuminati have distorted the bible as we know it, there are many texts that were removed because they weren't approved (cannonized) by the church in the early days, around the time all this illuminati bs started. Many people don't even seek the information from the "gnostic texts". So they let us have partial information but don't let us have the whole truth. Supposedly these gnostic texts weren't truly inspired by God according to the church and they were removed, however I don't think it is mans job to decide what is truly inspired by God or not.

[newdecades]

The thing is, the illuminati have distorted the bible as we know it, there are many texts that were removed because they weren't approved (cannonized) by the church in the early days, around the time all this illuminati bs started. Many people don't even seek the information from the "gnostic texts". So they let us have partial information but don't let us have the whole truth. Supposedly these gnostic texts weren't truly inspired by God according to the church and they were removed, however I don't think it is mans job to decide what is truly inspired by God or not.

Yeah, that's true. i'm curious about what those books that were left out say. the fact is though, they left the main 'answer' that will destroy them in the bible. that 'answer' supposedly being jesus christ. in my opinion, if jesus was really the answer and the destroyer of the nwo/illuminati they wouldn't have allowed jesus to be so well known. instead they allowed jesus to be known to pretty much every person in the world and the bible to be the best selling book of all time. that really makes me question the bible. obviously they want us to believe the bible. on the other hand, they really didn't want us to know the knowledge that the ancient people had, seeing as how one of the first things they did when invading people who weren't readers of the bible was destroy their temples and anything that contained knowledge. obviously they didn't get everything because we know a little bit about what the ancient people believed.

[cruise4]

Who's God is it about? It's all highly suspicious. I cannot rule out it's a reversed plot. The more I know the less I know I know. Could be progress.

[dedicate]

That's a good question. One I've thought of: If these Illuminati are into Astrology, Religion, Esoteric knowlege and Prophecy etc..,,, then don't they know things are going to go bad for them very soon after they achieve almost certainly their objective of a Slave Planet?

For example,-- it says so many times in the Bible that the Anti-Christ will not hold the world in his power for very long (briefly).. Daniel. And this is confirmed in writings other than the Bible.

[cruise4]

"then don't they know things are going to go bad for them very soon"

Yes... but isn't that their plan? Then who arrives on the scene.... supposedly?

[dedicate]

I know what you are getting at. Christ will be the one that appears .-- but really, you are suggesting, this will be the anti-Christ. That is what you are indicating here. Is it not?

I'm not sure where you are getting your information though.. There is and have been many anti-christs on this earth.-- We have one now known as Obama (the Messiah. The One,, Savior,,, etc..) This Anti-Christ of the Bible -- the Little Horn -- the man of perdition.. will be a lot like these others we have seen,,, no reason for people like us to be fooled by that.

People will be fooled though to believe in this Anti-Christ, just like the majority are always fooled by our Hitlers and Stalins..

P.S. I don't believe in a phisical embodiment of Jesus returning to rule planet Earth for a thousand years. I'm not looking or hoping for that. It is this idea that Christ will return in phisical body and rule that is the MISINFORMATION propagated around and around.

And I do not see that as what is prophecied either. This is where people of FAITH have been mislead and may be being set up, like you say. But this idea that the Messiah will return to rule phisically is not valid in any prophecy that I know of.


There is a Quatrain of Nostradamus that should be looked up.. it goes on about the Universal Peace for a Thousand Years. I'll get it.

[cruise4]

"I know what you are getting at. Christ will be the one that appears to make things better.-- but really, you are suggesting, this will be the anti-Christ. That is what you are indicating here. Is it not?"

Yes... if you knew the storyline wouldn't you have two antichrist's ready to go?

On the 'non physical' thing...

Cannot rule it out. It's perhaps not the 'truth' that matters. It's the quest for 'truth' that brings about the requisite change in conciousness. But 'they' are doing the revealing perhaps.

I'm having some trouble just now reconciling Light with 'the creation' as this is what freemasons appear to be about, suggesting this is a corrupted luciferian creation from the get go and IS formed from Light.

If you have a side of darkness promoting darkness and a side of Light promoting Light it might make some sense... but both sides seem to be utilising the concept of light as all things to all men. So I have to ask if they are elements of the same thing.

Let's suppose the NWO come to fruition and rule for a while and then the conciousness changes and the perceived evil's of the world are swept away as we all 'Wake Up'. But is it going to be a hypnotic suggestive 'wake up? Does this coming conciousness change represent the culmination of their plan?

Aliens arriving would act as a cement on this 5 sense reality. At last we'd have a perceived authority unconnected with our earthly realities giving credence to this creation as real.

I don't know. I don't believe anything any more. And that could be a plot too.

[dedicate]

They have thousands of anti-christs lined up. The world is full of them. But according to Pike and Bible and Nostie and others there will be the Bingo! hit. The top illuminatus, I believe, have him at the ready already. At the top, they know who or WHAT this anti-christ is. Make sense, because he would have been born by now (in 1966 maybe?). Anyway...

You see.. the majority of people will fall for it. --Do Fall For It.. every time. I'm amazed at how many people, even on this board, are saying "Give this Obama a chance" or "I believe he will do good things.-- The Next JFK." Like they haven't learned a thing. The way of the world this is.

No need for them to set up two guys as anti-christs. But they may. Just don't be fooled by it. Don't look for some guy to change things, even a messiah figure that suits your idea of religion.

----- Let's suppose the NWO come to fruition and rule for a while and then the conciousness changes and the perceived evil's of the world are swept away as we all 'Wake Up'. But is it going to be a hypnotic suggestive 'wake up? Does this coming conciousness change represent the culmination of their plan? ----
I don't know if it's going to happen like a 'consciousness change' but I see where you are at.

Does it represent the culmination of their plan? That is the question where we started. -- If these guys understand prophecy, then why are they fighting a battle that they can't win?



The Nostradamus quote here is not from a Quatrain but the Preface to King Henry II:
After this war should last a good while, there shall be a renewed reign of Saturn and a Golden Age. God the Creator, Hearing the afflicitons of His People, shall say, "Satin shall be put and tied in the bottem of the deep. And here shall begin an age of Universal Peace".

this nostie quote is very close to Bible prophecy at end times. (Satin being tied) -- but by God's word does this New Age come about.

[cruise4]

Renewed age of Saturn is right...

http://asymptotia.com/wp-images/2006/11/PIA08332_modest.jpg

There’s a very striking storm on Saturn that has a very well-developed eye, and other striking features. Eyes this well-formed have not been seen on other planets before. Looks quite a bit like water swirling down the drain, doesn’t it? The storm also does not move around like hurricanes do on Earth, staying stuck a the Equator where it formed. At about 5000 miles across, it is roughly 2/3 the size of earth.

[dedicate]

The idea of a "renewed reign of Saturn" strikes a cord with you. And well it should and with every person, too. Of course, we can look at the Physical Saturn or even the Astrological Saturn to get an idea about what Nostradamus is talking about.. Like you have here.

Nostadamus is interesting -- by the way he plays with words. Saturn is usually considered evil because it return man's unwanted Karma,, and maybe Astronomically it is known as the "Dark Planet" for good reason. But here Nostradamus is saying "renewed Saturn" -- in other words, the power of Saturn has been transformed or transfigured.

What I believe he is indicating is the Spiritual Saturn and the grand cycle that all 7 planetary forces go through in a cosmic sense. These cycles are more than the travel around the Sun cycle; these cycles are much larger than ordinary years. The new cycle of Saturn is one of Transformed Karma for Mankind as a whole.-- it is a cosmic cycle indicated here. -- much like in your picture.

[dedicate]

The original poster thought it strange the Bible has been allowed to exists these 2,000 or so years. But the Illuminati are not all powerful. They do not control everything.

I'm sure there are litterally thousands of Spirit informations that they have destroyed though. Wasn't there a library in Alexandria that was destroyed? Isn't nearly all Native American spirit knowledge wiped out? How many of us know that the sciences of Chemistry, Mathematics, and others originated in the Middle East? The Bible wasn't even in Print 'till what 400 years ago, and then only in Latin, for the educated. They've taken a lot of useful information out of circulation, it's true, -- just not as much as they would have liked.

If they had their way, we would have been living in George Orwell's 1984 back in 1523. It's just that they don't control everything. -- never will.

[newdecades]

The original poster thought it strange the Bible has been allowed to exists these 2,000 or so years. But the Illuminati are not all powerful. They do not control everything.

I'm sure there are litterally thousands of Spirit informations that they have destroyed though. Wasn't there a library in Alexandria that was destroyed? Isn't nearly all Native American spirit knowledge wiped out? How many of us know that the sciences of Chemistry, Mathematics, and others originated in the Middle East? They've taken a lot of useful information out of circulation, it's true, -- just not as much as they would have liked.

If they had their way, we would have been living in George Orwell's 1984 back in 1523. It's just that they don't control everything. -- never will.

that's what i'm saying, they were powerful enough to wipe out native american spirit knowledge, druid knowledge, etc. but for some reason they couldn't wipe out biblical knowledge? i don't think so. they wanted the bible to survive this long in my opinion. i'm assuming the ancient knowledge had too much 'truth'/'answers' to it, that's why they tried so hard to wipe it out.

[dedicate]

Your giving them much too much credit. All those knowledges that were wiped out may have indicated a Golden Age and a time when it would come about and how it would come about. I believe there are keys in the Hindu Vedas to this effect,, Hopi prophecies,,, and Mayan Calanders,, and the Nostradamus prophecies as I have shown. Those knowledges have not been wiped out.

They have not been so effective at wiping out all knowledge. It's really that simple. So, they have not allowed the Bible to exists because it fits their plan Or they have not "created" the Bible. Of course, they have used it, like they do all things, to fit their agenda, but that is beside the fact. The Bible contains knowledge that they would just as soon people not know. That is my opinion, anyway.--

These are some things they don't want us to know.--

Blessed are the poor, for they know God.]
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God
Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.

Those who laugh today, cry tomorrow.

What is wise in the sight of men, is foolishness in the sight of God.



They can not remove all truth from the Bible, then no person would ever take it seriously... or somebody would find the Das Hammondi scrolls and off we go again. Or a Joseph Smith will have a Divine Revelation and write the Bible all over again,, and they would have to destroy that... and on and on.. Better they have found.. to wipe out what they can and seek to control what they can not.

[newdecades]

Your giving them much too much credit. All those knowledges that were wiped out may have indicated a Golden Age and a time when it would come about and how it would come about. I believe there are keys in the Hindu Vedas to this effect,, Hopi prophecies,,, and Mayan Calanders,, and the Nostradamus prophecies as I have shown. Those knowledges have not been wiped out.

They have not been so effective at wiping out all knowledge. It's really that simple. So, they have not allowed the Bible to exists because it fits their plan Or they have not "created" the Bible. Of course, they have used it, like they do all things, to fit their agenda, but that is beside the fact. The Bible contains knowledge that they would just as soon people not know. That is my opinion, anyway.--

These are some things they don't want us to know.--

Blessed are the poor, for they know God.]
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God
Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.

Those who laugh today, cry tomorrow.

What is wise in the sight of men, is foolishness in the sight of God.



They can not remove all truth from the Bible, then no person would ever take it seriously... or somebody would find the Das Hammondi scrolls and off we go again. Or a Joseph Smith will have a Divine Revelation and write the Bible all over again,, and they would have to destroy that... and on and on.. Better they have found.. to wipe out what they can and seek to control what they can not.

i see, do you believe they have removed some truth from the bible or even added lies to the bible? or maybe the authors of the books of the bible knew some truths but mixed it with lies or their personal beliefs like only through jesus can a person have a relationship with god, the story of adam and eve, etc.?
i don't know, i still think if the bible was total truth 'they' would have been able to stop it from being the most popular book ever. i mean, i'm sure 'they' were very much in power when the old testament and new testament were put together to create the bible. that's why i think the stories of the bible aren't total truth, more like truths covered up/mixed with stories or things that didn't actually happened.

[dedicate]

Absolutely has the Bible been added to and taken away from. That's not even considering that so much is lost in translation.

The belief that Jesus is the only way to have a personal relationship with God is a misinterpretation of the Gospel of John.-- "I am the way. No one comes to the Father 'cept through me". I believe that John is a mystic text, but has been interpreted by the common believer. So it's true meaning has been obfucated.

There is a little known truth, that one can not get something he already does not have. All people are endowed with the Christ spirit,, already. Christ is in every person's heart. This then can be the "only way" to reach God.-- the intermediary because it is like saying, "the only way to have a life is to have a body"-- The only way to have a spirit life connection to God, is to use the spirit body you already have!! This is how every person who ever lived even 4,000 years ago, or a Buddhist, or an American Indian, could have "come to know God" through Christ.

But this truth has been kept from people.. for one reason it helps keep control over people if there is the thought that they have to keep a Christ that is outside themselves. The Controlers will say, "You have to be saved by Jesus and only by Jesus and I can show you how to be saved in this way and how to save your family too."... The controllers also like this interpretation because it keeps division amongst the people and they use that too. (I'm not saying one can not have a personal relationship with Jesus. One can. What I'm saying is, you already have a personal relationship to Christ.-- like to your own body. The personal relationship with Jesus might be likened to the relationship you have to your family or friends.)


Interestingly, there is one book that has not been changed by the Changers. This book is the Book of Revelation. With-in that book are two great warnings that even the worst of Devils will not take lightly.. It says something like anyone who removes even one word from this book will have his name removed from the Book of Life; and anyone adding even one word will have the plagues mentioned here-in added to him. So this book,, THE REVELATION OF JESUS THE CHRIST... has been kept pretty much intact. It must have been very very important to the author to keep this prophecy intact. No one would dare change a thing, knowingly.

The writer of this book must have known the original texts of Jesus' teachings would be tampered with. This is why the warning. -- and the writer must have had the authority to make this statement. So this one book has probably not been altered.

[newdecades]

Absolutely has the Bible been added to and taken away from. That's not even considering that so much is lost in translation.

The belief that Jesus is the only way to have a personal relationship with God is a misinterpretation of the Gospel of John.-- "I am the way. No one comes to the Father 'cept through me". I believe that John is a mystic text, but has been interpreted by the common believer. So it's true meaning has been obfucated.

There is a little known truth, that one can not get something he already does not have. All people are endowed with the Christ spirit,, already. Christ is in every person's heart. This then can be the "only way" to reach God.-- the intermediary because it is like saying, "the only way to have a life is to have a body"-- The only way to have a spirit life connection to God, is to use the spirit body you already have!! This is how every person who ever lived even 4,000 years ago, or a Buddhist, or an American Indian, could have "come to know God" through Christ.

But this truth has been kept from people.. for one reason it helps keep control over people if there is the thought that they have to keep a Christ that is outside themselves. The Controlers will say, "You have to be saved by Jesus and only by Jesus and I can show you how to be saved in this way and how to save your family too."... The controllers also like this interpretation because it keeps division amongst the people and they use that too. (I'm not saying one can not have a personal relationship with Jesus. One can. What I'm saying is, you already have a personal relationship to Christ.-- like to your own body. The personal relationship with Jesus might be likened to the relationship you have to your family or friends.)


Interestingly, there is one book that has not been changed by the Changers. This book is the Book of Revelation. With-in that book are two great warnings that even the worst of Devils will not take lightly.. It says something like anyone who removes even one word from this book will have his name removed from the Book of Life; and anyone adding even one word will have the plagues mentioned here-in added to him. So this book,, THE REVELATION OF JESUS THE CHRIST... has been kept pretty much intact. It must have been very very important to the author to keep this prophecy intact. No one would dare change a thing, knowingly.

The writer of this book must have known the original texts of Jesus' teachings would be tampered with. This is why the warning. -- and the writer must have had the authority to make this statement. So this one book has probably not been altered.

i agree with this.

[dlb2007]

ok as a Catholic I am not sure if they wish to permit the bible or if they want to destroy it. There is a school of thought that says the powers that be will eventually try to out law the bible on sexual preference discrimination laws. But there is another school of thought in that they have used the bible to further their own motives, to decieve many into believeing they are building the kingdom of God on earth. Personally I prefer to wait and see before commiting either way.

[newdecades]

ok as a Catholic I am not sure if they wish to permit the bible or if they want to destroy it. There is a school of thought that says the powers that be will eventually try to out law the bible on sexual preference discrimination laws. But there is another school of thought in that they have used the bible to further their own motives, to decieve many into believeing they are building the kingdom of God on earth. Personally I prefer to wait and see before commiting either way.

hmm, i really don't think they would outlaw the bible. too many people would be against that. even non-christians would be against that. i seriously doubt there's going to be a time when you will be killed or punished for being a christian. i know a lot of christians think it will be like that eventually but i seriously doubt it. i'm not even christian and i wouldn't go for that.

[felakuti]

The original poster thought it strange the Bible has been allowed to exists these 2,000 or so years. But the Illuminati are not all powerful. They do not control everything.

I'm sure there are litterally thousands of Spirit informations that they have destroyed though. Wasn't there a library in Alexandria that was destroyed? Isn't nearly all Native American spirit knowledge wiped out? How many of us know that the sciences of Chemistry, Mathematics, and others originated in the Middle East?

No. They originated in Africa.

The first thing racist Europeans did when they assumed power over information a couple hundred years ago was to extricate the mighty civilization of Egypt from AFRICA, the birthplace of civilization, and place her in ''the middle east''.

Some with a straight face placed her in ''Europe''.

Perhaps in another couple hundred years, Americans or maybe the Japanese would lay claim to her.