Catholic Latin Mass - Help!

[citizenoftheworld]

Hello everyone,

I've been lurking on this forum for a while but I experienced something this past Sunday that has compelled me to post. I figured this may be only place I can get some answers. Please forgive me if this is long winded.

My sister and I were raised fairly free from organized religion although there were hints of catholicism here and there. My mother was raised a devout Catholic and even though she became very disillusioned with the religion, I suppose she couldn't shake it entirely. We would occasionally attend mass and were baptized in the Church.

In any case, in our adulthood, my sister has really taken to the Catholic faith while I have never believed in it. However, I sometimes attend mass with her to support her and spend time with her. She discovered last week that our local archdiocese performs a Latin mass on Sundays and she asked if I'd like to go. I though it would be cool to experience as neither of us has been to a pre-Vatican II style mass.

So we went this past Sunday, head coverings and all, to attend. There were quite a few more people there than I expected and when the priest and his three assistants/alterboys (?) entered and began Latin mass I thought ok, this is interesting.

About 15 minutes into the mass, however, I began to feel really uncomfortable. I don't know how to explain what I felt. Something just felt really . . . wrong. I have attended regular mass (in English) many times before and had no real problem. Although I don't believe in what is being said at all, it has never really offended me. Something about the mass in Latin however, disturbed me terribly. I suppose perhaps I had the sensation that something was trying to get into my head. I know that sounds crazy, but that's the only way I can describe it. It's weird because I have a little knowledge of Latin and I could tell they were reciting the same words they would in English (the missiles we were provided had both), atleast I think that's the case. The words said in Latin just created a totally different energy.

After about 30 minutes, I literally was desperate to get out of there. I was fighting the urge to ask my sister if we could leave, I didn't want to disappoint her. I was just HATING every minute. Finally, after she received Communion, my sister said we could leave (she had a really bad flu). I don't know if I have ever been so grateful!

I guess my question is, does anyone know why a Catholic Mass in Latin would have such an effect and feel so different from mass in the vernacular? Has anyone been to Latin mass and had a similar experience? Maybe the Latin makes programming more effective? Any thoughts would be most appreciated. I will NEVER attend such a mass ever again and I am even afraid to attend regular mass again.

Thanks for reading.

[planetsadhana]

sounds pretty scary, if you get a gut feeling about something your usually right.

Im not an expert on catholicsm and the occult, but these kind of rituals are done to evoke something, imo there are a lot of dark energys within the catholic church so I would stay clear if you feel like its been done as a mass ritual.

[dlb2007]

Latin is the offical language of the Church. It is acclaimed to be the language of heaven. It is said that satan hates Latin. Exorsism is done in latin. I have heard many people complain of feeling uneasy at a latin mass. On one website talking to a satanist, he went to a latin mass to steal one of the consecrated hosts to use in the black mass, he said the goat head star under his clothes around his kneck felt as if it were burning him and that he was struggling to breath, eventually he ran out of the building and ripped his goat head star off but it had left no mark on his skin

[amethyst]

Hello everyone,

I've been lurking on this forum for a while but I experienced something this past Sunday that has compelled me to post. I figured this may be only place I can get some answers. Please forgive me if this is long winded.

My sister and I were raised fairly free from organized religion although there were hints of catholicism here and there. My mother was raised a devout Catholic and even though she became very disillusioned with the religion, I suppose she couldn't shake it entirely. We would occasionally attend mass and were baptized in the Church.

In any case, in our adulthood, my sister has really taken to the Catholic faith while I have never believed in it. However, I sometimes attend mass with her to support her and spend time with her. She discovered last week that our local archdiocese performs a Latin mass on Sundays and she asked if I'd like to go. I though it would be cool to experience as neither of us has been to a pre-Vatican II style mass.

So we went this past Sunday, head coverings and all, to attend. There were quite a few more people there than I expected and when the priest and his three assistants/alterboys (?) entered and began Latin mass I thought ok, this is interesting.

About 15 minutes into the mass, however, I began to feel really uncomfortable. I don't know how to explain what I felt. Something just felt really . . . wrong. I have attended regular mass (in English) many times before and had no real problem. Although I don't believe in what is being said at all, it has never really offended me. Something about the mass in Latin however, disturbed me terribly. I suppose perhaps I had the sensation that something was trying to get into my head. I know that sounds crazy, but that's the only way I can describe it. It's weird because I have a little knowledge of Latin and I could tell they were reciting the same words they would in English (the missiles we were provided had both), atleast I think that's the case. The words said in Latin just created a totally different energy.

After about 30 minutes, I literally was desperate to get out of there. I was fighting the urge to ask my sister if we could leave, I didn't want to disappoint her. I was just HATING every minute. Finally, after she received Communion, my sister said we could leave (she had a really bad flu). I don't know if I have ever been so grateful!

I guess my question is, does anyone know why a Catholic Mass in Latin would have such an effect and feel so different from mass in the vernacular? Has anyone been to Latin mass and had a similar experience? Maybe the Latin makes programming more effective? Any thoughts would be most appreciated. I will NEVER attend such a mass ever again and I am even afraid to attend regular mass again.

Thanks for reading.

Why did you feel this way?

Because there are spirits attached to Catholicism: RELIGIOUS SPIRITS.

Probably some of the WORST kind there are.

Least someone think I am against individuals who have been endoctrinated into this TERRIBLE bondage of religious persuasion, I will say that I AM NOT against the individuals themselves. They are the ones that are caught in the middle of this EVIL system.

But that's what Catholicism is: an EVIL SYSTEM of rules and regulations, of dos and don't's, that have NOTHING to do with a TRUE and LIVING, BREATHING, RELATIONSHIP with a LIVING (not dead) GOD.

It's ALL about DEAD WORKS, and trying to WORK your way to HEAVEN.

And when you "sin" you are condemned BECAUSE you don't live up to these UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS and RULES.

I will say this very clearly: GOD HATES what RELIGION does to people!

He HATES, HATES, HATES IT because it keeps individuals SEPARATED spritually and emotionally FROM HIM!!!!!

RELIGION says you have to PROVE yourself to God.

RELATIONSHIP with God is about HIM PROVING HIMSELF to you the individual.

What I am saying is you REALLY CAN KNOW GOD, who He is and KNOW HIS HEART!

That's WHY GOD came as living breathing MAN so that He could IDENTIFY with us humans HIS CREATION, and so that WE could IDENTIFY with HIM at the same time!

And because He suffered like WE suffer here on earth, He KNOWS how to empathize and UNDERSTAND who we are.

And STUPID, IGNORANT RELIGION keeps people SEPARATED from God!

That's WHY He HATES it SO much!

And we REALLY DO have SNAKES, and REPTILE LIKE PEOPLE who have REPTILIAN NATURES who stand in places of AUTHORITY on EARTH with their HYPOCRITICAL robes and rules and their HYPOCRITICAL offices.

Saying that they are God's SPOKESPERSONS. Well, they ARE NOT!

This is the HUGE LIE that they PROMOTE on EARTH!

And GOD HATES THEM AND HE HATES WHAT THEY DO TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS and also people whom HE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF to go to the EXTREME and DIE FOR so that people would see how much He loves them and wants their trust.

And all MOST people want to do is CURSE at Him! Or PRETEND that He doesn't exist........

If they REALLY KNEW who He IS, they would be EXTREMELY HORRIFIED by their ignorance and their lack of understanding.

God will NEVER reject ANYONE who comes to Him in a humble way and says help me or ask for forgiveness and who wants to KNOW Him.

BUT those PROUD, ARROGANT, HAUGHTY individuals who stand up and say they are BETTER than anyone else (whom they RAPE) when those CLERICAL and RELIGIOUS doors and curtains are closed....well, GOD WIL DEAL with THOSE SNAKES IN HIS TIMING!

THAT is what HELL was created for. NOt to send genuinely confused and disenchanted people to a place of torment. BUT to deal ONCE AND FOR ALL with those SNAKES that hurt God's own flesh and blood!

THAT'S what HELL is for!

BUT the RELIGIOUS SNAKES have turned it around and told the individuals that THEY will go to hell for every little sin!

They are LIARS and DECEIVERS and they are just acting like their FATHER who is SATAN and they are doing SATAN'S wishes, NOT GOD'S!

THIS IS THE LIE that THEY have tried to pull over on humanity, and now that this AGE is coming to a close, GOD is ONCE AND FOR ALL going to deal with these SNAKES, ANNUNAKI, FALLEN ANGELS and THEIR OFFSPRING who stand in positions of authority.......

This IS the GREATEST conspiracy of ALL TIME and it is coming to a CLOSE in OUR GENERATION!!!!!!!

It's TIME to get on GOD'S SIDE and STOP BELIEVING the LIES of the SNAKES!!!!!!

[element]

Gosh, Amethyst.

That's some fury..;)

[armoured_amazon]

Gosh, Amethyst.

That's some fury..;)

That's God's righteous fury :D

I've had some almighty rows with my mother over certain pastors leading revival in America, that my mum and her church are so excited about, and I sense evil radiating out from my tv and can hear the dark spiritual laughter as God's people are blinded. Not all pastors/leaders are bad, but the enemy has infiltrated every pocket of God's society.

[amethyst]

Gosh, Amethyst.

That's some fury..;)

GOD IS PISSED if you want to know the TRUTH!

[amethyst]

Not all pastors/leaders are bad, but the enemy has infiltrated every pocket of God's society.

Right! Not ALL leaders are bad, but YEAH, the enemy HAS infiltrated every corner of society.

And GOD has said ENOUGH!!!!

[dlb2007]

amethyst I think you have a few misunderstandings regarding catholicism.

1st We dont believe good works can attain heaven, rather that salvation comes through faith and that good works are a sign of faith, as Jesus said. "not everyone who says lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of my father in heavem"

2nd Catholics are not condemned by their sin's, however we would have been had it not been for the saving grace of God and the infinite mercy of his son.

God does not hate the Church his son established, there are men and women who fail to live according to the faith left by Christ, but he does not hate them either. God does not hate, God is love, he is mercifull and forgiving.

"RELATIONSHIP with God is about HIM PROVING HIMSELF to you the individual."

Do not test the lord thy God.

"That's WHY GOD came as living breathing MAN so that He could IDENTIFY with us humans HIS CREATION, and so that WE could IDENTIFY with HIM at the same time!"

I assume you are talking of Jesus Christ... where did you hear about Christ?

From friends, reletives..and where did they... from the bible?

The Christian bible is a Catholic book, if catholicism is wrong so is the bible.

"GOD IS PISSED if you want to know the TRUTH! "

you speak as if you consider yourself to be God.

[phildee3]

Dear citizenoftheworld,

There is nothing wrong with catholicism, per se, nor the Latin Mass.

What you are experiencing, imo, is the evil, elitist, control paradigm of the Roman (Vatican) church, which used Latin as a tool of control because people tend to be in awe (and fear) of what they don't understand.

I suggest that you attend an independent catholic mass (such as the Liberal Catholics).

The Eucharist has always been, and still is, the central rite of Christendom.
It is the coming which the savior promised.
Don't let the Romans (who crucified him) detract you from that truth, my friend!

[planetsadhana]

wake up people...why do you feel you have to follow god through a man in a frock ,

why not go straight to the source...

[phildee3]

wake up people...why do you feel you have to follow god through a man in a frock ,

why not go straight to the source...



You are quite right.
The source is where it's at,
and it's within each and every one of us,
but "the frock" has a function.
It helps channel divine force "from above" into the Eucharist at the consecration.

Otherwise, "the man" is just a man -
your equal.

[amethyst]

amethyst I think you have a few misunderstandings regarding catholicism.

1st We dont believe good works can attain heaven, rather that salvation comes through faith and that good works are a sign of faith, as Jesus said. "not everyone who says lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of my father in heavem"

2nd Catholics are not condemned by their sin's, however we would have been had it not been for the saving grace of God and the infinite mercy of his son.

God does not hate the Church his son established, there are men and women who fail to live according to the faith left by Christ, but he does not hate them either. God does not hate, God is love, he is mercifull and forgiving.

"RELATIONSHIP with God is about HIM PROVING HIMSELF to you the individual."

Do not test the lord thy God.

"That's WHY GOD came as living breathing MAN so that He could IDENTIFY with us humans HIS CREATION, and so that WE could IDENTIFY with HIM at the same time!"

I assume you are talking of Jesus Christ... where did you hear about Christ?

From friends, reletives..and where did they... from the bible?

The Christian bible is a Catholic book, if catholicism is wrong so is the bible.

"GOD IS PISSED if you want to know the TRUTH! "

you speak as if you consider yourself to be God.

YOU are VERY VERY MISTAKEN!

God DOES HATE!

HE HATES EVIL done in HIS NAME!!!!

HE HATES the EVIL that is done to people who have been used by this RELIGIOUS WHORE!

HE HATES to see the damage that the WHORE has DONE to people over the centuries!

And THAT is WHAT the CATHOLIC WHORE OF BABYLON CHURCH has done IN HIS NAME! EVIL which has tried to pass itself off as Holy BUT IS ROTTEN AND PUTRID TO THE CORE!

The CATHOLIC WHORE CHURCH Has done EVIL and ABOMINATION in HIS NAME!

THEY have USED the NAME of GOD for their OWN EVIL PURPOSES!

And that WHORE WILL BE JUDGED!!!

I personally found GOD by HIS REVEALED HOLY SPIRIT, NOT from the WHORE but from GOD HIMSELF!!

And when YOU defend the WHORE you are going AGAINST GOD and do not even realise it!

GOD is ALL ABOUT the INDIVIDUAL, NOT the RELIGIOUS SYSTEM of WORKS that try to ACT and PRETEND to be HOLY but are RELIGIOUS WHORES and THIEVES and USERS of HUMANITY!

Who DO NOT represent the LIVING GOD WHO IS NOT MADE WITH HUMAN HANDS!

Read the book of REVELATION and SEE how the WHORE get's judged!

THEN come back and tell me if GOD approves of the WHORE...... OUT of whom will come the FIGUREHEAD of the WHORE, the FALSE PROPHET, who will tell the WORLD to WORSHIP the BEAST the ANTICHRIST and take his MARK.

IF you continue to defend the WHORE, you will go down with the WHORE....sad to say.

[element]

Don't forget about protestantism and their ''holy'' occupation of North America and more.. ;)

[amethyst]

Don't forget about protestantism and their ''holy'' occupation of North America and more.. ;)

ANY RELIGION that tries to take the PLACE of GOD is EVIL (IGHO) In God's Humble Opinion ;)

[citizenoftheworld]

Thanks everyone for your replies so far. They have been very insightful.

While I know that my discomfort during the mass was not due to any Satanism on my part, as dlb2007 seems to have implied (or not - I could be misunderstanding), the energy produced during ritual just didn't feel healthy or spiritual in any way. It definitely showed me how effectively religion can be used to control people. The whole thing just felt like we were being programed in some way. Perhaps it is the same in a regular mass but I never picked up on it because it was my own language - one I was familiar with. Sometimes it is easier to decipher patterns when you are looking at something from a fresh perspective.

It never occured to me to attend an independent Catholic mass. I will have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion phildee3.

[armoured_amazon]

wake up people...why do you feel you have to follow god through a man in a frock ,

why not go straight to the source...

LOL 'frock' is a funny word. :D I agree with your post!

[dedicate]

Funny that no body has pointed out this may be a good experience. I often here on this board, "I have a pain in my head or neck. What is it?".. It could be a good spiritual awakening or it could be a serious medical problem. This may have been a good experience in the Church the poster was haveing. I'm going from the theory that things tend to get worse before they get better, even when your on the right track.

It is a common practice for Buddhist to put two fierce looking statues at the gate to a monestary. This symbolizes that you must pass through fears and uncomfortable experiences before entering the spirit path. It is also well known that a Guru (think YODA) will look nothing like a spiritual being, and may even say things that turn one off, when you first encounter them. This is a sort of testing of faith, openness, and sincerity (purity of heart). Does the original poster have faith, openness and sincerity? -- sounds to me like he was ready to bolt long before he got uncomfortable --/sitting there/quiet/no t.V.

If it was me, I would have embraced the experience and found out where it would take me. Awareness is key and evil can never destroy your innate goodness while aware (you can not even be "programmed" while aware). If the Church service was indeed evil, then use that and move on. But only one attendance does not tell you much,, at least not from what you're saying.

[spiraltrance]

On one website talking to a satanist, he went to a latin mass to steal one of the consecrated hosts to use in the black mass, he said the goat head star under his clothes around his kneck felt as if it were burning him and that he was struggling to breath, eventually he ran out of the building and ripped his goat head star off but it had left no mark on his skin

I think that's either a spirit from the church or karma for stealing a consecrated item to use in a black mass not anything to do with latin being demonic.

[spiraltrance]

I guess my question is, does anyone know why a Catholic Mass in Latin would have such an effect and feel so different from mass in the vernacular? Has anyone been to Latin mass and had a similar experience? Maybe the Latin makes programming more effective? Any thoughts would be most appreciated. I will NEVER attend such a mass ever again and I am even afraid to attend regular mass again.

If you have negative entities leeching off you, which many people do, and something threatens to cut off their energy supply from you they will make you feel uncomfortable.

A temple/church/mass can potentialy weaken or sever the entity and they will try and get you to move where they are more secure.

[citizenoftheworld]

Funny that no body has pointed out this may be a good experience. I often here on this board, "I have a pain in my head or neck. What is it?".. It could be a good spiritual awakening or it could be a serious medical problem. This may have been a good experience in the Church the poster was haveing. I'm going from the theory that things tend to get worse before they get better, even when your on the right track.

It is a common practice for Buddhist to put two fierce looking statues at the gate to a monestary. This symbolizes that you must pass through fears and uncomfortable experiences before entering the spirit path. It is also well known that a Guru (think YODA) will look nothing like a spiritual being, and may even say things that turn one off, when you first encounter them. This is a sort of testing of faith, openness, and sincerity (purity of heart). Does the original poster have faith, openness and sincerity? -- sounds to me like he was ready to bolt long before he got uncomfortable --/sitting there/quiet/no t.V.

If it was me, I would have embraced the experience and found out where it would take me. Awareness is key and evil can never destroy your innate goodness while aware (you can not even be "programmed" while aware). If the Church service was indeed evil, then use that and move on. But only one attendance does not tell you much,, at least not from what you're saying.


Thanks for your response. I didn't want to drone on about my spiritual life and experiences, but I will say that I am a highly spiritual person with much faith in a higher power. I don't watch television at all and meditate on an regular basis for no less than one hour. I love quiet meditative time. That is one reason I sometimes like to attend mass with my sister. I have never been one to complain about the length of any church/spiritual service.

I was not ready to bolt long before I got uncomfortable. I was really looking forward to the experience and went with an open mind. It wasn't until about 15-20 mins that I realized something was wrong. Up until that point I was just taking it all in and felt glad to be there, sharing this experience with the others in the chapel. I usually don't mind discomfort (esp for the purpse of spiritual transformation) and welcome spiritual challenges. We didn't even leave because I wanted to, we left because my sister felt too ill with her flu to continue.

I know that I cannot be programmed while aware, but still, the energy felt very negative and overwhelmingly stifling. If it was indeed some sort of evil experience, I will use it and move on. I just wanted some other perspectives. I may lack the eloquence to explain my experience more clearly, but one attendance was quite enough for me!

[dedicate]

Fair enough. I've never attended a Pre-Vatican II Catholic mass, so I can not say much about it.

I've heard that the mass as it was originally is symbolic of the Passion and Crusifixion of Christ. That's powerful!? Maybe that is what you were feeling? Anyway, worth another look, if you ask me.

[phildee3]

God DOES HATE!



Yahweh, the creator god does, yes.

But the omnipresent, almighty, Eternal One is Love!

Hate is the result of separation from the all-that-is.

[dlb2007]

amethyst, do you interperate the bible yourself?

You know the Bible warns against doing so, it can lead to many errors.

"I know that my discomfort during the mass was not due to any Satanism on my part, as dlb2007 seems to have implied "

Not at all, I am just saying there are forces at work within the mass that we are unaware of. Your experience could easily have been an angel or a saint or even god blessing you, it depends on our disposition as to how we percieve that blessing.

"The whole thing just felt like we were being programed in some way"

Yes, you are right, even in the venacular the same formula is recited every mass until it is embeded into your mind, it takes over your whole being and it is only then that our being can begin to understand what is being said.

"not anything to do with latin being demonic"

I dont think Latin is demonic, but is the spiritual language of at least angels, perhaps demons too since a demon is a fallen angel.

"I've heard that the mass as it was originally is symbolic of the Passion and Crusifixion of Christ. That's powerful!? Maybe that is what you were feeling? Anyway, worth another look, if you ask me."

that is a great answer, the power of the crucifixion that would make anyone feel as though an evil entity were attacking them.

Last word to amethyst, how can God hate, hate in itself is a perversion of love, even the satanists I have spoken to know this, hate actually shows you care. But God is not a perversion of love but is pure love.

[amethyst]

amethyst, do you interperate the bible yourself?

You know the Bible warns against doing so, it can lead to many errors.

"I know that my discomfort during the mass was not due to any Satanism on my part, as dlb2007 seems to have implied "

Not at all, I am just saying there are forces at work within the mass that we are unaware of. Your experience could easily have been an angel or a saint or even god blessing you, it depends on our disposition as to how we percieve that blessing.

"The whole thing just felt like we were being programed in some way"

Yes, you are right, even in the venacular the same formula is recited every mass until it is embeded into your mind, it takes over your whole being and it is only then that our being can begin to understand what is being said.

"not anything to do with latin being demonic"

I dont think Latin is demonic, but is the spiritual language of at least angels, perhaps demons too since a demon is a fallen angel.

"I've heard that the mass as it was originally is symbolic of the Passion and Crusifixion of Christ. That's powerful!? Maybe that is what you were feeling? Anyway, worth another look, if you ask me."

that is a great answer, the power of the crucifixion that would make anyone feel as though an evil entity were attacking them.

Last word to amethyst, how can God hate, hate in itself is a perversion of love, even the satanists I have spoken to know this, hate actually shows you care. But God is not a perversion of love but is pure love.

God is love (1st John 4:16)

But God hates EVIL and what it does to people.

Amos 5:15:" Hate evil, love good; Establish justice in the gate. It may be that the LORD God of hosts Will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph."

Zechariah 8:17: "Let none of you think evil in your heart against your neighbor; And do not love a false oath. For all these are things that I hate,' Says the LORD."

[sweheretic]

funny thing about catholics is that they need to get everything they think is the bible from their child molesting priests and popes who are some of the biggest satanists in the world.
it's no wonder catholicism has so much trouble with demons and need to exorcise them, they summon them in the first place

catholicism and orthodoxy are the two biggest "never read on your own, let us make you get the word right" cults there is

last time I checked the bible was AGAINST merging religions or perverting the word, and yet look at what the pope is trying to do. open your eyes
(you can't compromise truth)

[citizenoftheworld]

Fair enough. I've never attended a Pre-Vatican II Catholic mass, so I can not say much about it.

I've heard that the mass as it was originally is symbolic of the Passion and Crusifixion of Christ. That's powerful!? Maybe that is what you were feeling? Anyway, worth another look, if you ask me.

I cannot deny that you make a valid point. Perhaps if I have the opportunity to attend another one at a different church I will give it another try. That way I will have another experience to compare it to.

[citizenoftheworld]

"The whole thing just felt like we were being programed in some way"

Yes, you are right, even in the venacular the same formula is recited every mass until it is embeded into your mind, it takes over your whole being and it is only then that our being can begin to understand what is being said.



That is a very interesting way to look at it.

[phildee3]

Fair enough. I've never attended a Pre-Vatican II Catholic mass, so I can not say much about it.

I've heard that the mass as it was originally is symbolic of the Passion and Crusifixion of Christ. That's powerful!?
Maybe that is what you were feeling?



That is the best guess, that anyone has made here so far, as to what citizen was feeling.
However, the problem occurred only fifteen minutes into the mass - long before the canon when the reinactment of calvery occurs.
If you can remember which section of the mass was in progress at the time, citizen, it might help figure out the problem.

[phildee3]

God is love (1st John 4:16)

But God hates EVIL and what it does to people.

Amos 5:15
" Hate evil, love good; Establish justice in the gate. It may be that the LORD God of hosts Will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph."

Zechariah 8:17:
"Let none of you think evil in your heart against your neighbor; And do not love a false oath. For all these are things that I hate,' Says the LORD."



This is a good example of there being two gods in the Bible.
The "father" of Christ, who is the all-that-is - infinite Love
and the OT, creator-god of the Jews who is vengeful, hateful and full of wrath.

[simplify]

It could also be, that you were in the presence of an evil being (human or astral) who was sitting somewhere near you. You maybe are sensitive to that type of energy and picked up on it. It would be interesting if you attended another Latin mass at same church, just to compare your experiences. I personally don't think its connected to the Latin language or the words.

[phildee3]

I don't believe in what is being said at all,



In the early church, non-believers were not permitted to attend. Even the catechumens were dismissed before the canon.

The traditional mass is designed for full participation.

I think this is your problem with it.

[phildee3]

I have never believed in it. However, I sometimes attend mass with her to support her and spend time with her.



The participant in the mass is transported to the altar in heaven in the company of the saints
so, although your intent is honorable, you may actually be holding her back from fully experiencing this.

I suggest that you find some things to do together that you both enjoy. I mean, you wouldn't want her to go to one of your functions if she didn't want to participate, would you?

[citizenoftheworld]

The participant in the mass is transported to the altar in heaven in the company of the saints
so, although your intent is honorable, you may actually be holding her back from fully experiencing this.

I suggest that you find some things to do together that you both enjoy. I mean, you wouldn't want her to go to one of your functions if she didn't want to participate, would you?

phildee3, thank you for your kind words. You make some very good points. While Catholicism is not my personal path, I really have no problem with it at all. I suppose I overreached a bit when I said I don't believe in anything that is said. That is not really accurate. I think it is a powerful faith.

Although I go to mass mainly to support my sister, I also do enjoy it myself. I think it is a nice spiritual, meditative time and the ritual is beautiful. I also enjoy sharing a spiritual experience with the people there. So I am definitely not doing something I don't like. If I found mass offensive or boring/disinteresting I wouldn't go. Many people complain about how long and/or boring mass is but I have to say there has never been any portion of mass that I don't like.

I guess that's part of what freaked me out about my last experience. I was looking forward to it and thought it would be great and was shocked when that was not how it turned out.

I do wish I could remember at exactly what point we were in the mass when the discomfort began. I may actually have to go again, as dedicate suggested, to get perhaps a clearer picture of what happened.

I really do hope I am not getting in the way of my sister's faith, however. I had never thought of that before. It makes me sad, but I guess I really need to think about whether my "support" is good for her in this situation.

[phildee3]

I attended a Latin mass today at Glastonbury abbey.
I found it very beautiful and powerful.
It was in honor of Blessed Richard Whiting, the last abbot of Glastonbury whose feast day it is today.
The reason it was said in Latin is that the priest was trying to reconstruct the mass as Whiting himself would have said it.
The entire congregation appeared to be stunned, and very moved.

[serendipityinlife]

This is very interesting because I've had similar experiences. I think the reasons could be the following:

1. The Mass was originally designed to spiritually protect and psychologically purify a person. It is at its most powerful when recited in latin. The words are carefully chosen because of their sound vibration not too dissimalr to the Hindu ideas of the mantra with its power to change a persons consciousness. When they stopped saying Mass in latin it lost some of its power.

2. I had a pychic experience/vision once when taking Mass; I saw the bread actually change into flesh. This was in a protestant church and not suprprising it led to me to look at the Mass at a deeper level and I realised the Catholic views of it are closer to the truth.

3. Why the Mass can have a strange affect on people is becaue all of us, and I mean ALL of us, are contaminated by these demonic forces. They are like leeches attached to everyone. It doesn't matter what you call them, shapeshifting reptilians in the fourth dimension, demons or whatever but they are everywhere just like microorganisms with the sole purpose of keeping humans trapped in this dimension. The Mass counteracts their influence.

Now you may think the Church and Christian faith is a load of rubbish. Well on some level I agree but my experience has also shown a lot of things written about in the New Testament to be true as well. But, what I think has happened is the demons/shapeshifters have tried to dry up this source of access to the divine by infiltrating the church and manipulating it and turning people away through some of the awful things they've done in the name of Christ. I myself am vary wary of church hierarchy because I can actually see some of them should not be there and don't have a genuine calling. But the stream of mysticism and genuine spiritual experiences runs through its history like a very fine thread which has come very close to snapping because of the evil machinations of some of the church hierarchy itself.

I would only suggest not to be frightened of the experience but allow it to change you and cleans you. If you do decide to open yourself up don't be suprised if you have strange experiences similar to exorcism. I've seen people screaming and writhing in agony on the floor when these shadows finally lift off them.

[phildee3]

Dear citizen,
I have just been to another Latin mass.
Well it was half in Latin, anyway.

I found it was very beautiful and full of light - the Latin sections much more so than the English.

It seems that the reson for this was that it was taken very slowly!
The Tridentine mass is often said at breakneck speed
and that destroys the dignity of the mass - especially in Latin.

As a suggestion - perhaps your experience was caused by too much haste
and too little thoughtfulness/reflection on the meaning of the text by the priest, which I think is essential.

[citizenoftheworld]

This is very interesting because I've had similar experiences. I think the reasons could be the following:

1. The Mass was originally designed to spiritually protect and psychologically purify a person. It is at its most powerful when recited in latin. The words are carefully chosen because of their sound vibration not too dissimalr to the Hindu ideas of the mantra with its power to change a persons consciousness. When they stopped saying Mass in latin it lost some of its power.

2. I had a pychic experience/vision once when taking Mass; I saw the bread actually change into flesh. This was in a protestant church and not suprprising it led to me to look at the Mass at a deeper level and I realised the Catholic views of it are closer to the truth.

3. Why the Mass can have a strange affect on people is becaue all of us, and I mean ALL of us, are contaminated by these demonic forces. They are like leeches attached to everyone. It doesn't matter what you call them, shapeshifting reptilians in the fourth dimension, demons or whatever but they are everywhere just like microorganisms with the sole purpose of keeping humans trapped in this dimension. The Mass counteracts their influence.

Now you may think the Church and Christian faith is a load of rubbish. Well on some level I agree but my experience has also shown a lot of things written about in the New Testament to be true as well. But, what I think has happened is the demons/shapeshifters have tried to dry up this source of access to the divine by infiltrating the church and manipulating it and turning people away through some of the awful things they've done in the name of Christ. I myself am vary wary of church hierarchy because I can actually see some of them should not be there and don't have a genuine calling. But the stream of mysticism and genuine spiritual experiences runs through its history like a very fine thread which has come very close to snapping because of the evil machinations of some of the church hierarchy itself.

I would only suggest not to be frightened of the experience but allow it to change you and cleans you. If you do decide to open yourself up don't be suprised if you have strange experiences similar to exorcism. I've seen people screaming and writhing in agony on the floor when these shadows finally lift off them.


serendipityinlife,

Thanks for the insightful response. Your post and others here have made me consider that I may have had some negativity around me that was being cleansed during the mass. I just didn't know what was going on. I agree that we are all surrounded by and may be subject to evil forces and that these forces are very difficult to shake. I think half the battle is being aware of them in the first place and I think that is where I missed what may have been going on. I really do think I will have to go back and see what happens. If I indeed do have these evil parasites if you will, I would like my body and spirit to be cleansed of them!

And I would also like to say that I agree with your assessment of the Church. I think it is spot on.

[coshh]

I just want to point out that the prayers in the 1962 (and earlier) missal are not the same as in the Novus Ordo vernacular (or Latin) Mass. So it might not just be "the Latin".

[citizenoftheworld]

Dear citizen,
I have just been to another Latin mass.
Well it was half in Latin, anyway.

I found it was very beautiful and full of light - the Latin sections much more so than the English.

It seems that the reson for this was that it was taken very slowly!
The Tridentine mass is often said at breakneck speed
and that destroys the dignity of the mass - especially in Latin.

As a suggestion - perhaps your experience was caused by too much haste
and too little thoughtfulness/reflection on the meaning of the text by the priest, which I think is essential.


Hi phildee3,

Once again, you have mentioned something very helpful! One thing that both my sister and I didn't like about the mass was how rushed it seemed! The priest and altarboys just marched up to the front and started rattling off in Latin and it just had a really rushed feel to it. I was really surprised as I thought they would take their time and recite the Latin as though it were something important (which I think it is).

I didn't want to say anything about it and I certainly don't want to blame the priest for my negative experience, but I have to also mention that they didn't really seem to be too into it. I know that's a terrible thing to say, but there was no spirit of reverence - no spirit of anything at all! The priest mentioned that this was his fourth mass of the day, so I suppose he was tired. He just seemed to be reciting the Latin in a "let's-just-get-on-with-this" sort of way.

We felt very disappointed, but not having been to another traditional mass, we thought maybe that's just how it is. Although my sister did wonder if we attended a Latin mass in Europe (we are in the United States) would it have been better? I'm glad you got to experience a mass that seems closer to the way mass should be given.

[citizenoftheworld]

I just want to point out that the prayers in the 1962 (and earlier) missal are not the same as in the Novus Ordo vernacular (or Latin) Mass. So it might not just be "the Latin".

Wow, I didn't know that. Just so I understand, are you saying that the prayers in the pre-Vatican II missile are different than the prayers that are in the Latin missiles now?

[coshh]

Wow, I didn't know that. Just so I understand, are you saying that the prayers in the pre-Vatican II missile are different than the prayers that are in the Latin missiles now?

Yes, the Novus Ordo missal is different to the 1962 missal (but some places still do the earlier Mass, both 1962 and various other rites e.g. Dominican, Ambrosian, Byzantine etc).
The Novus Ordo was originally in Latin as the language of the Latin rite and then translated into the vernacular.