Benoit Murders Satanic Retribution?

[supertzar]

I posted some of this info in the wrestling thread, but this topic probably deserves a thread of its' own. Were Chris Benoit and his family murdered by the satanic heel wrestler known as Kevin Sullivan?

Nancy Toffoloni Daus left her first husband in 1984 to pursue her career as a wrestling valet. She portrayed the character Fallen Angel and later Woman on Florida Championship Wrestling as part of Kevin Sullivan's satanic wrestling stable. She married Sullivan in 1985.

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[armoured_amazon]

More info, please. :)

[supertzar]

There seems to be a dearth of videos with Fallen Angel on youtube, but here is Sullivan mistreating The Lock, another of his female slaves, from around the same time. The Lock has been brainwashed by Sullivan. Kendall Wyndham is seen trying to get her to remember her true identity. Sullivan takes exception to this and smacks the crap out of The Lock. Superstar Billy Graham, Sullivan's partner, comes to The Lock's defense and is beaten and hung over the ring ropes for his trouble. Sullivan and his manager think Graham is done, but he sends a recorded message full of mystical mumbo-jumbo about breaking the chains and cleansing himself of the evil that Sullivan put into his soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_IbFDVGELk&feature=related

[supertzar]

The mid to late 80's saw the demise of many an independent wrestling promotion and Sullivan went to World Championship Wrestling, the rival of the incredibly popular WWF. Sullivan was promoted to booker, which gave him broad influence over the angles that would be played out on the show. He scripted an affair between Benoit and Nancy, even insisting that they share a hotel room and act as if it were a shoot, or real-life event. Life imitated art and the two legit fell in love. Nancy left Sullivan for Benoit, divorcing him in 1997.

Benoit on the conflict between himself and Kevin Sullivan. Notice Sullivan hanging Benoit at 1:59:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK87woEHBOQ

[supertzar]

Everyone knows wrestling is fake or "scripted," if you prefer. So Kevin Sullivan was only playing a role with his satanic gimmick, right? Maybe so, maybe no. In an interview with Alan Wojick, Sullivan comments on his wrestling character vs. his real life personality:

AW: According to a shoot interview with another legend, Chris Champion, he modeled his last character SIN after your satanic character. How much of that was gimmick and how much was you?


KS: That’s a hard question. I think the character and the personality were similar at the time. Looking back on it right now, as with lots of wrestlers the personality might have taken over the character.



Wow. His real-life personality was similar to this?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EloX-k6ikFY&feature=related

[supertzar]

Fastforward to 12:01 a.m. EDT on Monday, June 25, 2007. Someone updated Chris Benoits Wikipedia entry to say:

Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.

This was fourteen hours before police discovered the three bodies at Benoit's home!

"It is unbelievable what a hindrance this has put on our investigation," said Lt. Tommy Pope, a spokesman for the Fayette County, Ga., Sheriff's Department.

"We've got to put a lot of effort and time into working to prove or disprove that someone put up a hoax situation or that somebody was conceiving the death from out of state," Pope said, adding that investigators have been flooded with tips regarding a Web posting that's very likely a bizarre coincidence.


Usually investigators regard outstanding evidence as a breakthrough, not a hindrance. Could the wiki leak have got in the way of a frame up? You have to wonder.

[supertzar]

They say revenge is a dish best served cold. Well, ten years is plenty of time for cooling off and is enough time for people to forget about a bitter ex-husband's motive. It is said that the murders took place exactly ten years from Nancy's divorce from Kevin. I have only been able to confirm that they divorced in 1997. If it were exactly ten years, that would be quite a coincidence.

Johnny Angel (Former Pro Wrestling Champion)
Now known as Rev. Johnny Lee Clary
World-Wide Evangelist
America's Favorite Rebel Republican (move over Sarah Palin) has this to say:

Did Kevin Sullivan Murder Chris Benoit and His Family?

The tragic deaths of Chris Benoit and his wife Nancy and son Daniel have shocked the wrestling world. The police are calling it a double-murder-suicide, but is it really? Let’s look at some facts. It has been 10 years exactly since Nancy divorced Kevin Sullivan to marry Chris Benoit. In the 1980’s Sullivan, along with his then-wife Nancy, were running a gimmick in wrestling of how they were Satanists, and Nancy was known as “The Fallen Angel.” She later became known as “Woman.” The trouble with the Satanists gimmick was it was for real, and was not a work, or fake. In the 1990’s Kevin Sullivan was the booker for WCW, and he scripted his wife Nancy into having an affair with Chris Benoit who was a member of the Four Horsemen. This made for a good angle, except, the acting became reality as Chris and Nancy actually fell in love and Nancy divorced Sullivan to marry Benoit.

Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him to by hanging him in the basement.

By doing this, not only would Kevin Sullivan have lived out his Satanic Church creed with his lust for revenge, but he would have destroyed Chris Benoit’s reputation which is what has happened now as the wrestling world is attacking the memory of Chris Benoit remembering him as an insane baby killer and wife killer instead of the great World Champion wrestler and friend that he was.

Satanists hate the Bible and the police have stated that a Bible was found next to the bodies of Benoit’s wife and son. This would serve as a bizarre calling card as if to either say “What good did your Bible do you?” or to throw off investigators to keep them from suspecting Sullivan and his Satanists would have been involved.

Another thing to note is the fact that Kevin Sullivan was also associated with Sherri Martel, who died just a few days before the bodies of Chris Benoit, and his family was found, and the full details of Martell’s death have not been made known as of the time of this writing.

I wonder why the police have not even considered investigating the possibility the Kevin Sullivan killed Benoit, Nancy, and their child. It is certainly a possibility worth looking in to.

Also, Benoit was going to be crowned ECW World Champion on Sunday night. Why would he murder his family and kill himself when he was going to be on top again and make lots more money?

Why would he tie his wife up before killing her? He would have no reason to, but Kevin Sullivan sure would!

Sure he had some problems with Nancy, but that was 4 years ago and what married couple doesn’t have problems? Remember also that they reconciled and as far as everyone knows there has been no other incidents reported.

One also needs to consider the fact that Benoit loved his kids and was so proud of his son that was killed. His kids wore suits and ties to his wrestling events and was proud of their dad. He was loved and respected by all those who knew him.

In my opinion, there is no way he would have murdered his family. This whole murder case has Satanists written all over it and Sullivan is a Satanist and has the motive to murder them.

I am encouraging anyone who reads this to send this to police authorities and circulate it on the internet, so these facts can be investigated, before the case is closed and Benoit is written off in history a murderer. If Sullivan is the real killer, justice should be served!

As a former Pro Wrestler myself, now a born again Christian and world wide evangelist, I am hoping and praying for justice no matter who is responsible.

Rev. Johnny Lee Clary
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/

[haukipesukone]

I've been meaning to start a post about Benoit too. I didn't have much evidence as to why he would have been murdered. But the story about him killing his family sounds a bit too overboard in gruesomeness.

And someone posted on Wikipedia before Benoit died and it was public that the reason he didn't show up that weekend at the Pay-per-View was that Benoit's wife had died. That was of course just a coincidence and the guy who posted that didn't know anything...

[supertzar]

Revenge is motive enough, I guess. Also in the interview with Benoit he refers to things about the situation with Kevin Sullivan he doesn't want to reveal yet. Could he have had serious dirt on Sullivan that Sullivan couldn't afford to have getting out?

[xpleet]

World Wrestling Entertainment is clearly illuminated.

I lean towards thinking that Benoit was assasinated because he might have somehow not fit in the scheme.

[jason_bourne]

Great thread.

I had forgotten about it until I saw this. I'm gonna try and dig up some more info on it...
Wresting has always been shrouded in contrevercy. Check out this link...

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

[haukipesukone]

World Wrestling Entertainment is clearly illuminated.

I lean towards thinking that Benoit was assasinated because he might have somehow not fit in the scheme.

Me too.

Great thread.

I had forgotten about it until I saw this. I'm gonna try and dig up some more info on it...
Wresting has always been shrouded in contrevercy. Check out this link...

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

Wow, that's a lot of dead people. Is it just due to steroid abuse or something else?

[mountainwarrior]

yea dude, it was all illuminati ritual, the murders, the whole thing.

tie this into bret hart/owen hart.

bret hart pissed off vince live to millions.

owen hart died a little later.(ritual)

benoit trained at the 'heart' dungeon mansion.

i been there myself.

i grew up in that town and met ted hart one night back in 1999, he was a loose cannon but a fun kid.

[supertzar]

what did Bret Hart do to piss off Vince Mcmahon? I always hated the WWF, by the way.

[haukipesukone]

yea dude, it was all illuminati ritual, the murders, the whole thing.

tie this into bret hart/owen hart.

bret hart pissed off vince live to millions.

owen hart died a little later.(ritual)

benoit trained at the 'heart' dungeon mansion.

i been there myself.

i grew up in that town and met ted hart one night back in 1999, he was a loose cannon but a fun kid.

Something just came to me. Vince McMahon was "dead" in the WWE storyline when Benoit died. Benoit's death was what brought Vince back to life. Maybe that's what Vince had been planning all along. I'm sure he was planning to return to the public eye at some point. And if there had been some lame ass script that Vince had faked his death, or hadn't been in the limo that blew up, that would have been anti-climactic.

[rr_x]

Don't forget WCW's nWo (New World Order) created by 'good' guys who then showed their true colours. Or WWF's term for their wrestling ring - the squared circle. And their old belt showing an eagle surrounding the world. Not to mention wrestling's influence in the rise of the anti-hero (Stone Cold Steve Austin, Undertaker, nWo, DX) in todays society.

Wrestling is an alarmingly underlooked tool for reality engineering. One can learn plenty from studying how the set-up works behind the scenes and the psychology displayed by Vince McMahon. It is afterall a profession built on fooling the public.....

[supertzar]

Wrestling is an alarmingly underlooked tool for reality engineering. One can learn plenty from studying how the set-up works behind the scenes and the psychology displayed by Vince McMahon. It is afterall a profession built on fooling the public.....

Good point. Are the people of the future going to look back on today's sheeple (for lack of a better term) in the same light as we look at yesterday's pro wrestling marks?

[infin8_possibility]

He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him to by hanging him in the basement.

That theory just doesn't add up for me... We would Benoit stay tight-lipped about watching Nancy be murdered? Why for the day before his death would he not tell authorities to deal with "the murderer" :confused:

[supertzar]

The guy is speculating that Benoit was held at gunpoint. How is he going to call the cops with a gun to his head?

[infin8_possibility]

The guy is speculating that Benoit was held at gunpoint. How is he going to call the cops with a gun to his head?

Yeah OK but it doesnt say he was held at gunpoint for the day afterwards, maybe I misinterpreted it...

[stemcg1983]

every single so called theory on this thread is bull shit IMO,

come on benoit was a bad steroid abuser, like most of the fellas in pro wrestling who have died due to poor habits & drink/drug abuse.

benoit obviously just lost it and took his family out, i personally know this can happen as i have friends who suffer from roid rage, i too have had bouts myself.

its a shame really coz the crippler was a great wrestlier, but this talk of satanic ritual is a load of shite

[supertzar]

It's not called a theory. It's a hypothesis. Your argument against it is far from convincing. You are basically saying you know he did it because he was on steroids and that kind of thing can happen when people are on steroids. You lend support to this line of reasoning by saying bull shit. You may or may not be correct, but the way you are going about it does nothing to create a decent argument.

I have shown that Kevin Sullivan did indeed personally identify with his satanic heel character. He said it was his own personality that took over the character! That should raise a question in anyone's mind as to whether he was capable of committing these acts. Then there is the question of the wikipedia entry about Nancy's death some twelve hours before it was discovered. How do you answer that? You have to address the information if you want me to consider your opinion. Otherwise I will just look at it as "bull shit."

[supertzar]

Hulk Hogan on Nancy Benoit:

http://www.usmagazine.com/hulk_hogan_talks_to_i_us_i_about_the_killer_wrestl er


“She was into devil-worship stuff. It was part of her [wrestling] character, but [she was] somebody who gets so close to their character, someone who gets into their character too much. Sometimes these people believe their own publicity.”

[supertzar]

Interesting post by CuriousMind that is full of leads on http://boards.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=1841

24 Reasons: WWE Star Chris Benoit was Murdered!
1) Chavo Guerrero – a close friend of Benoit- told WWE magazine that he talked to Chris for while on Friday night on his house phone. About 45 minutes into the conversation, Chris told him that there was somebody knocking at his door and he was going to see who it was. Shortly after Chris answered the door, there was a “scuffle” and then his house phone line went dead. Chris could only be reached on his cell phone about 3 hours later. This is very significant. This explains why there was no forced entry. Chris let the killer or killers in.

2) After Chavo reached Chis on his cell phone, he said that Chris sounded very odd, groggy and tired. He also said that Chris told him “I Love You Chavo” which sounded forced. The WWE also said that when Chris called in and told them that Nancy and Daniel were sick he did not sound like himself. He sounded groggy. Chris then said “I Love You” which they say was out of context because he usually didn’t say this.

3) Chris Benoit’s cell phone is missing. The police cannot find his cell phone or the needles they say Chris used to inject himself with steroids shortly before he died. The police have turned his cell phone off.
4) Chris was not hanging from the weight machine, he was laying on the floor underneath the machine. Another officer said that Benoit was “slumped” against the weight machine.

5) There was a white cloth wrapped around Chris’ neck. If he was so suicidal why would he care if his neck was bruised?

6) The medical examiner says that Chris Benoit died on Saturday. The text messages were sent on Sunday. Chris was already dead so who sent the text messages? It is noted that nobody talked to Chris on Sunday.

7) The steroids found in Chris’ house were not in his body.

8) If Chris’ had murdered his family then why did he need to text people? Think about it. Everybody was dead. Nobody would hear him talking so why text? Calling would have been easier. (I believe the killer text Benoit’s address to get somebody to come to the house to find the bodies)

9) Chris sent Chavo a text message telling him his address. Why would he do this? Chavo already knew were Chris lived. He spent the previous weekend with him.

10) Chris’ body was badly de- composed, about the same as Nancy’s. This shows he died sooner than Sunday.

11) Why would he tie up Nancy to kill her? He was a big guy. He could have just hit her one good time and she would have been out.

12) Ray also told me that the world press is reporting the manner of the deaths wrong. He says that Daniel was shot in his head and Nancy was shot in her chest.

13) Chavo said that the Chris Benoit seemed “worried” about something but he could not get Chris to open up and tell him why he was worried.

14) There was no Bible besides Chris’ body. Why would he place a bible beside Nancy and Daniel and not place one beside his own if he knew he was about to take his own life?

15) There were 10 empty beer cans and an empty body of wine besides Chris’ body. He tested negative for alcohol.

16) The toxicology confirmed that Chris had Hydrocodone (pain killer) Xanex (anti-anxiety drug). I have used both of these. These 2 drugs combined will sedate Chris and make him very sleepy. So he could not fight back.

17) The police originally said that Daniel died on Friday because his body was badly de-composing. This supports my belief that all 3 died on Friday night. The police changed the manner of Daniel’s death 3 times. 1st he died from a garbage bag, 2nd he died from a choke hold, 3rd he was smothered by a pillow. Why would they keep changing?

18) The police kept changing the location of where Nancy’s body was found. 1st she was found in the downstairs family room. 2nd she was found in the upstairs bedroom. 3rd she was found in the house office.

19) Chris’ father said that Chris called him on father’s day and told him that he wished he could spend more time with his family but he had to work. One of Nancy’s friend says that Nancy Loved Chris and she had no plans to leave him.

20) Retired Wrestler Bam Bam Bigalow died 1-19-07. Sherry Martel died 6-15-07. The Benoit family died 6-22-07. Since this family died, 2 other wrestlers have died. (Brian Adams and Johnny Crush in July and August 07) Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and Brian Pillman all died the night before they were set to win title belts. Sherry Martel’s death is even more suspicious to me. Sherry Martel had ties to Nancy Benoit’s ex-husband Kevin Sullivan. The circumstances surrounding her death have not been released.

21) Kevin Sullivan told Chris Benoit that he would kill him. Kevin is currently a high ranking member of a satanic cult. Kevin is also on the WWE Board of Directors. Kevin Sullivan also had motive to kill Daniel Benoit because he was Chris and Nancy’s offspring. Retired wrestler Dusty Roads said that “he danced with the devil” when working with Kevin Sullivan who is known as being Cold-hearted and conniving. The Benoit family was murdered on the 10-year anniversary of Nancy’s divorce from Kevin Sullivan.

22) Nancy Benoit’s death was posted on the internet, 14 hours before her body was found.

23) Weeks before he died, Chris Benoit’s colleagues said that Chris began taking alternate routes to and from work and back to his house. Chris and Nancy believed that somebody was following them. Chris’ friends dismissed his worries as paranoia.

24) The Benoit family was murdered the same week that the WWE had a story line of “Who killed Vince McMahon.”

So now you have "Who killed the Benoit Family?"

The Police have not released any evidence, DNA or Fingerprints proving that Chris Benoit committed this crime.

The WWE and the police are covering up a TRIPLE MURDER
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I forgot to mention the “Instruments of Death.” After the bodies of Chris Benoit and his family were found, the Police spoke of these “Instruments.”

Well, the police never told us what these “Instruments” were. The police say that Chris Benoit strangled Nancy with his hands and used a wrestling choke hold to smother Daniel.

Well what were the “Instruments of Death?”

[octopusrex]

If the "murder" was a revenge, then the satanic aspect is part of the show or is it the other way around? Gotta think like a cop...

[supertzar]

If the "murder" was a revenge, then the satanic aspect is part of the show or is it the other way around? Gotta think like a cop...

Would you rephrase that, octopus? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

[octopusrex]

Would you rephrase that, octopus? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

1. Satanic murder sacrifice is one thing.
2. Revernge murder is another.

The detective, looking for motive would need to keep to one motive not two.

[supertzar]

1. Satanic murder sacrifice is one thing.
2. Revernge murder is another.

The detective, looking for motive would need to keep to one motive not two.

I don't see why it could not be both. Kevin Sullivan may have had revenge as a motive and has personally identified with his Satanic wrestling character. Why would a competent detective confine an investigation to one motive ever? The scientific way would be to examine all the evidence, would it not? Anyway, ritual sacrifice is not necessarily a motive. It may be a method of exacting revenge more than a motive in itself.

[octopusrex]

I don't see why it could not be both. Kevin Sullivan may have had revenge as a motive and has personally identified with his Satanic wrestling character. Why would a competent detective confine an investigation to one motive ever? The scientific way would be to examine all the evidence, would it not? Anyway, ritual sacrifice is not necessarily a motive. It may be a method of exacting revenge more than a motive in itself.

Because the idea is to eliminate motives, etc.

[supertzar]

Tell me what motives should be eliminated and why if you don't mind.

[octopusrex]

Say that you are doing a murder investigation of somebody who has a lot of enemies. Most of the motives you investigate will have nothing to do with the murder.

[supertzar]

So you just start discarding them and choose one randomly? Anyway, I still don't accept the premise that a desire to do a human sacrifice is a "motive" in the same sense as revenge in this case. If a random person was sacrificed, I might agree. Sullivan and Benoit knew each other well and Sullivan certainly had reason to get revenge. So both revenge as a motive and sacrifice as a method are still on the table in a competent investigation.

[octopusrex]

So you just start discarding them and choose one randomly? Anyway, I still don't accept the premise that a desire to do a human sacrifice is a "motive" in the same sense as revenge in this case. If a random person was sacrificed, I might agree. Sullivan and Benoit knew each other well and Sullivan certainly had reason to get revenge. So both revenge as a motive and sacrifice as a method are still on the table in a competent investigation.

My cop friends tell me the process of elimination is how you catch bad guys.
About the Benoit affair.. I donno. The two wrestlers I like are Santo and Roddy Piper.

[supertzar]

Sullivan and Piper teamed up at one time. The Irishman and the Scot. Sullivan @1:33 "From the Celtic race. Last of the Third Eye - enough said."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKBQmAww_Kw

[octopusrex]

Currently, I´d love to see the boys at RAW get their ass kicked by Perro Aguayo, Mystico and La Parcha.

[princess_alexandra]

Let's resurrect this thread for a bit.

If you run a Google search on John Todd and Sharon Tate, you'll see a transcript or hear an audio where he claims that Sharon was killed because she was turning away from witchcraft.

According to a tabloid (I think it's Globe), there was indication that Nancy Benoit was turning her back on witchcraft.

That would be a motive. And notice that the murders took place right around the summer solstice.

[markomac]

Wow another good thread i missed.

I dont know about the whole satanic sullivan angle. BUT. what he did was Benoit. It was weird.

[bobbydiva]

I followed this story from day one. I even ousted the Wikipedia vandal before the cops.

No matter how hard I search there is no proof that Sullivan is part of the Church of Satan. It was just a gimmick. Many many wrestlers are convincing, it's their job.

The only quote is from Hulk Hogan saying Nancy was in to Whitch Craft, but you can't believe anything that man says these days and the media probably took it out of context anyway.

I'm more inclined to believe that Benoit was caught in some kind of illegal steroid smuggling through Canada to the US and they had him killed, but even then I'm perfectly happy to accept that a combination of brain damage from his concussions, drugs, steroids and marital problems caused him to go nuts.

[bobbydiva]

Also that Scuffle that Chavo heard is fabricated. I can't find his statement anywhere.

[supertzar]

I followed this story from day one. I even ousted the Wikipedia vandal before the cops...



Very interesting, bobbydiva. What do you make of the interview on Sullivan's own site where he says: AW: According to a shoot interview with another legend, Chris Champion, he modeled his last character SIN after your satanic character. How much of that was gimmick and how much was you?

KS: That’s a hard question. I think the character and the personality were similar at the time. Looking back on it right now, as with lots of wrestlers the personality might have taken over the character.
http://www.froggysfitness.com/kevin2.html

[bobbydiva]

That's a common thing wrestlers say. I wouldn't hang a whole theory on that one comment. It's very interesting. There's no doubt he read up on the occult to perfect his gimmick, but that doesn't mean he actually was a satanist. Traditionally wrestlers stayed in character most of the time to keep "kayfabe". Bad guys wouldn't drive to the arena with good guys for example. If you were a badass and a fan was being a drunken idiot in a bar, you'd knock him him out. Now Sullivan would have dressed like a freak, he may have found himself having to maybe chant something evil in front of some fans or something, but living it, doesn't make it real.

Sullivan appeared to be big on doing this. He even forced Nancy and Chris to act like a couple in front of the other wrestlers, eventually leading them to actually get together.

A lot of wrestling gimmicks are pulled from something in pop culture at the time, or a reflection of society. Themes and ideas are pulled from everywhere, it's a big mish mash.

[supertzar]

That's a common thing wrestlers say. I wouldn't hang a whole theory on that one comment. It's very interesting. There's no doubt he read up on the occult to perfect his gimmick, but that doesn't mean he actually was a satanist. Tradionally wrestlers stayed in character most of the time to keep "kayfabe". Bad guys wouldn't drive to the arena with good guys for example. If you were a badass and a fan was being a drunken idiot in a bar, you'd knock him him out.

A lot of wrestling gimmicks are pulled from something in pop culture at the time, or a reflection of society. Themes and ideas are pulled from everywhere, it's a big mish mash.

Would you agree that he is saying that his real life personality was close to his Satanic heel character? Isn't that is an interesting thing to say in light of accusations of real life Satanism in the wake of the Benoit murders? It's not just any wrestler saying it, it's the Satanic possessed by demons Abuddah Dein worshipping nutcase Kevin Sullivan. For him to claim his real life personality took over his character at that time is incredible. Have you seen him beating the crap out of Nancy with a collar and leash in the middle of the ring? That is some hardcore shit.

[bobbydiva]

By all accounts the pair really were "highly charged" in their relationship, one of those aggresive, sexual couples, and I have no doubt that he may have been a charming womanizer, so yes that comes through. I might even go as far as to say he prayed on her, and maybe corrupted her a bit, maybe even abused her, but that's far cry from being a satanist. Just an asshole.

However please don't get caught up in any footage you watch. Wrestling is a very strange business. To some those clips are shocking proof, to me they have the marks in the palm of their hands, and going home pleased that people were so in to it. The reaction you have is what you're supposed to have. Because then you'll pay to buy a ticket and watch the good guy kick his ass.

[supertzar]

By all accounts the pair really were "highly charged" in their relationship, one of those aggresive, sexual couples, and I have no doubt that he may have been a charming womanizer, so yes that comes through. I might even go as far as to say he prayed on her, and maybe corrupted her a bit, maybe even abused her, but that's far cry from being a satanist. Just an asshole.

However please don't get caught up in any footage you watch. Wrestling is a very strange business. To some those clips are shocking proof, to me they have the marks in the palm of their hands, and going home pleased that people were so in to it. The reaction you have is what you're supposed to have. Because then you'll pay to buy a ticket and watch the good guy kick his ass.

I think you have to acknowledge that for Sullivan in particular the ramifications of saying what he did are far reaching. I'm not only talking about beating Nancy and you know that. I'm talking about being a possessed Satanic mastermind. For him to say that was based on his real personality is a confirmation from his own mouth that he was indeed into Satanism. It can be can argued that he was trying to create notoriety by fictionalizing his life, but it has to be reckoned with that he said his Satanic wrestling character had been taken over by his own personality.

[supertzar]

Realize I am not saying I know anything for sure. I'm just saying this is a "very interesting statement indeed" as I can imagine Gordon Solie intoning. I know exactly what you mean about not getting carried away with the footage. I know it's kayfabe. I haven't marked out since like '84 watching Georgia Championship wrestling on the Superstation. :D

[bobbydiva]

It's something to consider for sure, but it is not a commonly held opinion in wrestling circles. If he really was a satanist wrestlers would have discussed it many many times.

[bobbydiva]

Personally I see Sullivan as an intelligent man, that new how to work a crowd and the other wrestlers.

Also he didn't always play a satanist. He's been a regular joe from Boston. A cartoony leader of a group of carnival like freaks, just a regular tough guy.

[hawk]

I used to watch wrestling all the time when I was a kid.My sister, who is very religious, was my guardian at the time and forbade me to ever watch it because she was trying to control me and my hormones, hell, I was a teenager, who didn't have fantasies as a teen about a few good looking guys running around in their drawers? lmao!
I remember when Miss Elizabeth was killed supposedly by her live in lover,Lex Lugar. He went to prison for her murder, I think,but there was not a whole lot ever said about it.
I know Sting is still wrestling but he has found God as a christian now and so I guess this wrestling gig has paid the bills, you know?
Vince McMahon is a multi billionaire and I swear that man just gives me the fucking creeps. I can't help it but he just feels evil to me whenever i see him. I think he has alot to do with the dirty shit that goes on in his business.
I'm glad Ric Flair retired. He worked hard for it,too. That was the travelingest white man I have ever seen.He was the ultimate jet setter. He worked all the time.
I met Wahoo McDaniels once at an airport in Maryland when I was going to NC for a vacation. we talked about how hot the weather was and such. Nothing much but whenever I looked around there were wrestlers everywhere in that damn airport. Ole Wahoo is dead now,has been for sometime.
Ravishing Rick Rude, died from a heart attack, alot of wrestler i knew have passed away
Ricky Steamboat, he's dead,too. He used to have a gym in Charlotte,NC. Jay Youngblood is dead, they all die eventually or wind up in prison or god knows what. Maybe Sting did the right thing, he knows it's a dirty business maybe he realized that it was not for him and that's why he changed his character.
Randy savage is still around but man he looked real bad the last time I saw him.He's aged terribly.

[bobbydiva]

Liz's death was eventually deemed accidental, he never went to jail. Since then Luger has also found God.

http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/wrestlezone.com/upl_images/LexLuger.jpg

Check him out today ^

The real conspiracy in wrestling is the death of Jimmy Snuka's girlfriend and how vince helped to cover it up.

[hawk]

good i'm glad he does look older doesn't he? he looks like he shrunk, lol.

[supertzar]

It's something to consider for sure, but it is not a commonly held opinion in wrestling circles. If he really was a satanist wrestlers would have discussed it many many times.

Are you disregarding Hogan's comments? What have others said off the record?

She was into devil-worship stuff. It was part of her [wrestling] character, but [she was] somebody who gets so close to their character, someone who gets into their character too much. Sometimes these people believe their own publicity.”

[bobbydiva]

Maybe I'm biased, but Hogan is full of crap most of the time. And he is the only one I can think of that talks about her that way.

I don't know what it is but I just sense there's nothing to it.

Even if it turned out they practiced devil worship, because they believed it or they were just being method actors, there's still a long way to prove he murdered them all.

[supertzar]

What's up with the kid who lived down the street from WWE posting it on wiki? You said you found out who it was before the media. How did you do that and what did you find?

[bobbydiva]

I took his IP address from wiki, used a service that pinpoints the location, found his same username on a few sites, so I gathered some more info, then google mapped him. It was quite simple and shows how your info can really be abused.

The guy lived in Stamford near WWE HQ, only one road off. The most damning thing I find, is that he abused a lot of peoples wiki's, but on Chavo Guerrero's he actually cleaned it up! That has me thinking that he might know Chavo and thus we can conjure up lots of stuff.

I never spoke to the guy, and the police got wind literally an hour or so later.

[supertzar]

How did he know and what is his connection, if any, to WWE?

[cheeney1]

what did Bret Hart do to piss off Vince Mcmahon? I always hated the WWF, by the way.

Wcw was just as bad, owned by Ted Turner enough said

[supertzar]

Wcw was just as bad, owned by Ted Turner enough said

Ted Turner was responsible for Georgia Championship Wrestling, which pretty much is wrestling to me. As far as wrestling goes, Ted Turner>>>>>>Vince McMahon.

[bobbydiva]

How did he know and what is his connection, if any, to WWE?

Well he claims no connection and that he just made it up after hearing Benoit was off the PPV.

[velasca]

Ricky Steamboat, he's dead,too.

No he isn't :o

[bobbydiva]

No very much alive. In fact he recently had a small comeback proving that he can still hang with the best of them!

[supertzar]

A little visual of Kev and Nance at the height of their satanic wrestling schtick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bUWWG_sxAw&feature=related