Open you third eye.

[infinite tea]

Here is a great free ebook on how to open you third eye:

http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckbc/fol_0000_0700/cat_0000_2222/qid_2007_0000_0003.html

[teri]

Here is a great free ebook on how to open you third eye:

http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckbc/fol_0000_0700/cat_0000_2222/qid_2007_0000_0003.html

Hi thank you ,
just downloaded it :)
will enjoy reading it .
much love + respect to you
THE BEAUTY IN OUR HEARTS TRANSFORMS THE WORLD AROUND US
by red bear

[infinite tea]

Hi thank you ,
just downloaded it :)
will enjoy reading it .
much love + respect to you
THE BEAUTY IN OUR HEARTS TRANSFORMS THE WORLD AROUND US
by red bear

The beauty in our hearts IS the world around us !!!

Thanks Red bear xx :-)

[oddblock]

Here is a great free ebook on how to open you third eye:

http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckbc/fol_0000_0700/cat_0000_2222/qid_2007_0000_0003.html

Awesome, thanks for that! :cool:

[infinite tea]

Awesome, thanks for that! :cool:

No worries dude :-)

[pleasuredome]

cheers, i'll take a read of that.

[runciter]

Here is a great free ebook on how to open you third eye:

http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckbc/fol_0000_0700/cat_0000_2222/qid_2007_0000_0003.html

lol.. the name of the file is saganATE (awakening the tird eye)

if we include the article it becomes saganATTE > satan gate :eek:

http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/images/allseeingeye.jpg

illuminati = the enlightened ones > third eye open ?

[runciter]

from sagan's book (looks interesting, thanks):

3.1 What is the third eye?

The third eye is the gate that opens to the space of consciousness and to the inner worlds.

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but..

doesn't it mention the pineal gland?

http://www.faqs.org/health/images/uchr_01_img0052.jpg

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Pineal.JPG

and the pituitary? :confused:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/LIF/LIF115/inferior-view-brain_~SA401050.jpg

[marpat]

from sagan's book (looks interesting, thanks):

3.1 What is the third eye?

The third eye is the gate that opens to the space of consciousness and to the inner worlds.

---

but..

doesn't it mention the pineal gland?

http://www.faqs.org/health/images/uchr_01_img0052.jpg

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Pineal.JPG

and the pituitary? :confused:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/LIF/LIF115/inferior-view-brain_~SA401050.jpg

There are some difference of opinion as to which is the third eye. Generally it is accepted that the pineal is the third eye/ Ajna chakra and the pituitary is the sahasara chakra.

[lightgiver]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9776/yogaposition09clipimagexl2.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yogaposition09clipimagexl2.jpg)

The numerable forms of philosophy, of arguments and of the rules capture the intellect in their nets and lead it away from the true knowledge.

When the mind has become poised, the Self appears in its true state and we do not have to make any effort to perceive it.

The way of the spirit is selflessness; the way of the body is selfishness. It is up to us to establish the balance between the two.

The Clear Light of Bliss,
http://www.tharpa.com/us/book-Clear.Light.of.Bliss-602.html

[thethirdeye]

Sit comfortably. Breath slowly. Take the fresh air hold it and let it out. In proportion 6:4:6. When you begin to feel relaxed, begin to imagine a lift. In every inhale you feel the lift staing in place, when you exhale you and the lift are going down. Or simply imagine that you fall in hall. You should get the feeling of faling down, that indicates trance. When you reach the trance, you will imagine that your 6 chakra is baloon. And when you exhale you will imagaine that you are blowing the balloon. This meditation helps very much.

[runciter]

There are some difference of opinion as to which is the third eye. Generally it is accepted that the pineal is the third eye/ Ajna chakra and the pituitary is the sahasara chakra.

i'm more inclined to think that the pituitary gland, located at the intersection of the optic nerves, is the "third eye", while the pineal is the "crown chakra", the organ that connects us vertically with the universe/god.

or maybe:

pituitary/pineal connection = third eye

pineal gland/limbic system = the crown

[tjohn]

Here is a great free ebook on how to open you third eye:

http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckbc/fol_0000_0700/cat_0000_2222/qid_2007_0000_0003.html
FYI the third eye represents instinctive sight and it comes from reptiles....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_thirdeye.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42145

[tjohn]

i'm more inclined to think that the pituitary gland, located at the intersection of the optic nerves, is the "third eye", while the pineal is the "crown chakra", the organ that connects us vertically with the universe/god.

or maybe:

pituitary/pineal connection = third eye

pineal gland/limbic system = the crownThe third eye is the Pineal whatsit... which resides in the oldest and reptile part of our brain.

I have commented on this at:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=611776&postcount=38

[sirlozo]

what are some of the benefits of awakening the third eye?

[rhyth]

nn-DMT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEj314cmLw&feature=related
Pineal Gland & DMT [ Real Information ]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=enaewwcajzY&feature=related

Drugs can be used to expand your awareness and conciousness, To "pry open your 3rd eye". A good idea, would be to then spend the next ten years trying to get there without the drugs.

Choosing to Be Here Now, Meditate, this is a good start ;)

Next time you wash your hands, just wash your hands and still your mind, concentrate on the job at hand (no pun intended :D). Next you might be stopping rain drops on the window pane ;)

[rhyth]

Concsiousness
Quite long, so get comfortable before starting ;)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E58902EA17C1D530

[infinite tea]

what are some of the benefits of awakening the third eye?

Becoming more aware of yourself, confronting fear, learning to let go - seeing the truth more clearly etc

[nicolaj]

lol.. the name of the file is saganATE (awakening the tird eye)

if we include the article it becomes saganATTE > satan gate :eek:

http://library.thinkquest.org/05aug/00158/images/allseeingeye.jpg

illuminati = the enlightened ones > third eye open ?

exactly:rolleyes:

[cosmicswing]

nn-DMT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEj314cmLw&feature=related
Pineal Gland & DMT [ Real Information ]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=enaewwcajzY&feature=related

Drugs can be used to expand your awareness and conciousness, To "pry open your 3rd eye". A good idea, would be to then spend the next ten years trying to get there without the drugs.

Choosing to Be Here Now, Meditate, this is a good start ;)

Next time you wash your hands, just wash your hands and still your mind, concentrate on the job at hand (no pun intended :D). Next you might be stopping rain drops on the window pane ;)

That first dmt clip has "Illuminaughty" by Infected Mushroom in the background - what a tune!

Had my first dmt trip around a month ago and it was amazing. :) Colours like I've never before seen with such beautiful symetry, and a prescence of unconditional love that had a femine feel to it. Such a distant memory already, and due to the extreme lack of availibility, not to be repeated anytime soon............... :(

[cosmicswing]

Here's the track.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTnKsekQMs

[grannymoose]

Then Steiner describes how, in the middle of cataclysmic
alterations of planet Earth, human beings lost half their
procreative energy. They stopped being hermaphrodites: the sexes
were separated. Each human being retained only half of the
procreative energy and from then on had to find someone of the
other sex in order to have a child. What happened to the other
half of the procreative energy, the one that was no longer
available for procreation? According to Steiner, it was redirected
towards a different function: catching the Ego, or Higher Self.
Until then human beings had been living like blobs, completely
disconnected from their Ego. And it was by the redirection of half
of their sexual force that they established the beginning of a
connection with the Ego. They became spiritual beings.
Such a vision suggests quite an interesting way of looking at the
relation between sexual energy and spirituality, and at sexuality in
general. For example it presents the sexual instinct as a quest for
the ‘lost half’. And at the same time it suggests that the lost half
is not ultimately to be found outside, in a union with another

Well what are you to make of that we came from blobs now

[cosmicswing]

Don't mean to go off topic, but I feel the lyrics are relevant in places.....

Another nice track by Infected Mushroom called "Blink".........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7libryPvxLU&feature=related

Don't smoke, don't drink ,
all I do is think
'bout the lifelines, hard times
trying to become such a drama polavor,
trying to amuse myself

Beats & waves will take me to my grave,
and when I go there
I know that I wont be alone
'cause I've been spotted, blotted
many many times before

Eased & pleased, released from my sheath
I will be flying above the hatred & the love
and if you see me honey
you have better blink your eyes

Strange how nights blur into one
bond with me & have some fun.
Drugs & wine to blow our mind
This is the way to expand the time

Travel comes in many forms
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours
Wonder, no more

Walking out of the circle,
step by step I'm learning alone
But I can't conquer my demons
just need to remember my home

There's no need to be frightened
we here all already are dead
get us on ending vibration
danger lurks only in my head

Come, break through with me
such wonders terrified the soul
it's real, no need to question
knowledge infiltrates the whole

Lightning striks in the darkest places
more I'm learning powers
Ohm mane padme hum -(buddhist mantra)
lizards try to tell us wich one

Strange how night blow in to one
bond with me & have some fun
Drugs some wine to blow our mind
This is the way to expand the time

travels comes eleven fields
i show you mine if you show me yours

Strange how nights blur into one
bond with me & have some fun.
Drugs & wine to blow our mind
This is the way to expand the time
Travel comes in many forms
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours
Wonder, no more

Don't smoke, don't drink ,
all I do is think
'bout the lifelines, hard times
trying to become such a drama polavor,
trying to amuse myself

Beats & waves will take me to my grave,
and when I go there
I know that I wont be alone
'cause I've been spotted, blotted
many many times before

Eased & pleased, released from my sheath
I will be flying above the hatred & the love
and if you see me honey
you have better blink your eyes

[cosmicswing]

Then Steiner describes how, in the middle of cataclysmic
alterations of planet Earth, human beings lost half their
procreative energy. They stopped being hermaphrodites: the sexes
were separated. Each human being retained only half of the
procreative energy and from then on had to find someone of the
other sex in order to have a child. What happened to the other
half of the procreative energy, the one that was no longer
available for procreation? According to Steiner, it was redirected
towards a different function: catching the Ego, or Higher Self.
Until then human beings had been living like blobs, completely
disconnected from their Ego. And it was by the redirection of half
of their sexual force that they established the beginning of a
connection with the Ego. They became spiritual beings.
Such a vision suggests quite an interesting way of looking at the
relation between sexual energy and spirituality, and at sexuality in
general. For example it presents the sexual instinct as a quest for
the ‘lost half’. And at the same time it suggests that the lost half
is not ultimately to be found outside, in a union with another

Well what are you to make of that we came from blobs now

Don't mess with the blob.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixDADVVnxA

[dmt head]

nn-DMT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEj314cmLw&feature=related
Pineal Gland & DMT [ Real Information ]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=enaewwcajzY&feature=related

Drugs can be used to expand your awareness and conciousness, To "pry open your 3rd eye". A good idea, would be to then spend the next ten years trying to get there without the drugs.

Choosing to Be Here Now, Meditate, this is a good start ;)

Next time you wash your hands, just wash your hands and still your mind, concentrate on the job at hand (no pun intended :D). Next you might be stopping rain drops on the window pane ;)

Yes they do, I thought this thread was going to be about some sort of psychedelic, but no it was just about a book, if you just dose then it will open then work with it, much quicker and easier and reliable than reading .a book

That first dmt clip has "Illuminaughty" by Infected Mushroom in the background - what a tune!

Had my first dmt trip around a month ago and it was amazing. :) Colours like I've never before seen with such beautiful symetry, and a prescence of unconditional love that had a femine feel to it. Such a distant memory already, and due to the extreme lack of availibility, not to be repeated anytime soon............... :(

Congratulations! :) Amazing isnt it lol

And its readily available all you have to do is extract it, its really easy check out www.dmt-nexus.com It has a wiki section that has lots of really easy teks!

[grannymoose]

Don't mess with the blob.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixDADVVnxA

lol dam you beat me to it, i was just looking for a suitable clip hehe

[let it shine]

DO NOT TRY TO DO THIS.

the bible warns about it and i'm warning you too. you will be really sorry if you succede in doing this.

[suicidal_martyr]

DO NOT TRY TO DO THIS.

the bible warns about it and i'm warning you too. you will be really sorry if you succede in doing this.

Not everyone here believes in the bible but at least you are concerned for people's well being.

A little hint to help you see something "In my religion you will go to a hell for being a christian. Please do not do it, you will be very sorry."

[let it shine]

Not everyone here believes in the bible but at least you are concerned for people's well being.

A little hint to help you see something "In my religion you will go to a hell for being a christian. Please do not do it, you will be very sorry."

i am not a christian.

i used to follow this stuff, seeking enlightenment, but luckily enough i was spared from the pandora's box it opens. through meditation and use of entheogenic substances i found out how to open my third eye, and it's my duty to warn all of you that it isn't at all what it seems, and it will only bring damnation to you.

get close enough and you will feel the pressure of your head splitting open and see the world getting darker. i'm warning you.

for what's it worth, i converted to islam during the summer.

[bulletproofheart]

i am not a christian.

i used to follow this stuff, seeking enlightenment, but luckily enough i was spared from the pandora's box it opens. through meditation and use of entheogenic substances i found out how to open my third eye, and it's my duty to warn all of you that it isn't at all what it seems, and it will only bring damnation to you.

get close enough and you will feel the pressure of your head splitting open and see the world getting darker. i'm warning you.

for what's it worth, i converted to islam during the summer.

Islam is very "this season".You can always try another one though.

[suicidal_martyr]

i am not a christian.

i used to follow this stuff, seeking enlightenment, but luckily enough i was spared from the pandora's box it opens. through meditation and use of entheogenic substances i found out how to open my third eye, and it's my duty to warn all of you that it isn't at all what it seems, and it will only bring damnation to you.

get close enough and you will feel the pressure of your head splitting open and see the world getting darker. i'm warning you.

for what's it worth, i converted to islam during the summer.

Yeah, there are naughty energies out there, you have to learn to repel them.

When the bad guys come after you, that's when you know you're the good guy

[let it shine]

Islam is very "this season".You can always try another one though.

don't be ridiculous.

[let it shine]

Yeah, there are naughty energies out there, you have to learn to repel them.

When the bad guys come after you, that's when you know you're the good guy

exactly. you don't do this by inviting them in by opening your third eye.

true dat :p

[tjohn]

what are some of the benefits of awakening the third eye?You start to think like a reptile. :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=611776&postcount=38
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_thirdeye.htm
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_05_cr/d_05_cr_her/d_05_cr_her.html


(http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_05_cr/d_05_cr_her/d_05_cr_her.html)

[marpat]

exactly. you don't do this by inviting them in by opening your third eye.

true dat :p

Opening your inner vision is not quite the same as inviting them in. All you are doing is making them more visible, which means that you are less likely to be deceived by them. To say opening the thrid eye is inviting entities in is just wrong. Running away to join a religion to escape from an experience just shows spiritual immaturity. According to your logic the only way of keeping them out is by being totally blind to them but it might shock you to know that an entitiy can still influence you even if you are unaware of it

[runciter]

Now perhaps for the first time since it was first known, it can be revealed explicitly that the esoteric ‘third eye’ is really associated with the Thalamus at the centre of the brain.

As we will see, it is the thalamus, which is the ‘seed-stone’ (philosopher’s stone) and the “cosmic egg”.

I was later pleased to find that Mavromatis, the author of the book, Hypnagogia (no doubt the most extensive work on the subject) states his opinion "that the Thalamus is the centre of consciousness and is the source of hypnagogic phenomena".

All this time people have been led a “wild goose chase.” It would seem that the traditional notion that only the pineal is indeed the ‘third eye’ has served as an ‘occult blind’ to put those who are “not worthy” of knowing it, “off the scent” as it were, while reinforcing the idea that the male-related pineal gland is very important – which it is, but for reasons I will reveal later.

Let’s take a close look at these three power centres in the brain, as well as the Carotid Gland in the neck (which is also important) – beginning with the pineal. (...)

http://www.freewebs.com/garyosborn/Glands%20Brain2.jpg

So then to recap, we have seen that the three glands just described are associated with homeostatic control over the cycles of opposites associated with one’s immersion in the material world and one’s ‘material existence’ – just like a ‘diving suit’ – and in the following ways:

Pineal: The day/night cycles also related to the waking/sleeping cycle.

Pituitary and Hypothalamus: Regulates body temperature – keeping a homeostatic balance between the extremes of hot and cold.

These also regulate the growth of the individual – i.e., keeping a relative balance between large and small and short and tall.

Carotid: The inhalation/exhalation, breathing cycles and levels of oxygen (in-breath) and carbon dioxide (out-breath) in the blood.

Although not proven, apart from one’s own experience of it, it is said that when all three are in balance – and especially the pineal and pituitary glands – a synchronized or quantum state is created within the brain, and this synchronization takes place within the thalamus and is again experienced as the ‘hypnagogic state.’

http://www.freewebs.com/garyosborn/gateofgod.htm

[tothestars]

I suggest you do it in daytime and not in the middle of the night laying in bed. It can be a bit scary if you succeed in tuning into anther freq. and see things/beings. Easier to deal with if it is daytime imo.

Expectations and other leftbrain activity can make it hard to reach this state tho so make sure you are calm and have a "dont-give-a-fuck-what-happens-setting" during the meditation. Some good meditation music can be good to have around you the first times.

Good luck :)

PS! trick is : Don't TRY to meditate. Just BE stillness!

[marpat]

I was reading that the attribution of chakras to physical organs is not an original nor ancient idea but one that was developed by people like Alice Bailey. In one Tibetan system there is only chakra mentioned for the head. Different systems have different amounts of chakras. In some old Hindu works some of these energy centres are on the legs, etc. so to attribute them to actual organs and glands may or may not be wrong

Even if people were wrong about what gland it was I cant see how that would be a problem if the chakra was connected to the gland by some means. If a person was to subtly stimulate the chakra energy would then have a direct impact on the gland anyway.

[icarus]

I've downloaded and started reading, interesting stuff.

I had some success with self hypnosis achieving altered states, so I'm hoping for success with this.

That's why I love these boards, links like this one from interesting people.

[rydeon]

i am not a christian.

i used to follow this stuff, seeking enlightenment, but luckily enough i was spared from the pandora's box it opens. through meditation and use of entheogenic substances i found out how to open my third eye, and it's my duty to warn all of you that it isn't at all what it seems, and it will only bring damnation to you.

get close enough and you will feel the pressure of your head splitting open and see the world getting darker. i'm warning you.

for what's it worth, i converted to islam during the summer.

Where does it actually say in the bible it's a bad thing to 'open your third eye'?
It seems as if you are hinting that we're all living in hell and seeing it makes demons get you or something?!

[spiral_out]

I posted this in another thread yesterday, but it pertains even more to this thread. I have opened my third eye many times and this explains how i did it and what sort of experiences i've had so far. I opened it without having to read a guide about how to do it so it's really not impossible - i hope this helps! ;)

My experience became very clear when I was sitting in my room one night trying to focus on the fact that we are all one consciousness. The more I thought about it and tried to picture it in my head, it felt like the material world around me was dissolving, and I was becoming a vibration in a sea of vibrations. I started to have an out of body experience where I was looking down at myself and my body was only composed of an outline of blue rings about 2 inches apart that formed a cross section every 2 inches around my body. The background to these blue rings was darkness. At the top of my head this really bright light creeped out of the top of my head and it looked like a small, white flame that hovered above my head for a few seconds. It was so bright, but it didn't hurt to look at - it just sucked you in. The moment I stared at it deeply it shot down my body in a series of 3 waves. This is when I finally realized I was looking at myself because each wave of energy actually felt like it was healing parts of my body on the way down. Everything felt so positive and it was all from the light. I lost concentration at that point because the situation was so intense and I realized that in my forehead area I had a very dense pain that didn't go away for over 12 hours. I looked up on the internet what people had to say about third eye experiences and I read about these "rushes of energy" and seeing light. That's when I had my first, real spiritual experience and ever since then I've managed to quit my job, sell everything i own, and move to Costa Rica to learn more about meditation and myself. Live a simpler life - so far it's been wonderful. :D

I remember laying down in my bed one night after I had read 2 very amazing things about the world around me. One was the first 50 pages or so of David Icke's guide to the global conspiracy, and the other was this article (http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html) by Michael Talbot which explained to me how a holographic universe works. I also remember watching this Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyRCfhCZT0&feature=related) which showed what infinity looks like and it helped me to visualize a world beyond what I was experiencing. Taking all of what I read into account, I laid down and just started thinking about all of this. I had no real intention to meditate, that's why I was laying down instead of sitting up, but I just began to think deeply about what this would mean for myself if all of what I was reading were true. Remembering some of the highlights of what I had read about my physical body just being a vessel for consciousness and the body and consciousness being two totally different things. Also remembering that everything physical is just one way of looking at what's really there. One way of decoding what's really around us. When Icke talks about the different frequencies around us and changing the channel just like on a TV to change frequencies - that really is the reality around us. We are just operating at one frequency, and in order to see a different one our frequencies have to change or whatever we use to perceive the information around us has to fine tune its lens. I shut my eyes and began to picture a sea of energy. What this looked like was just a sea of darkness which I was in. Very easy to picture if you just close your eyes. Imagine that even though everything around you is pitch black, you are within this sea of energy because you are conscious. Your consciousness doesn't have a form or anything physical that makes it up, it's just there within this sea of energy/darkness. That image is what you want to work toward. Only consciousness, only a singularity within the sea of energy and nothing else physical in your head, no thoughts or visions. That is all that you are, that is what you have to become. Laying there being conscious of myself in my bed, I began to picture the transformation of form that something as physical as myself must go through to become only that consciousness in a sea of energy. I pictured my physical body dissolving away into this sea of energy/darkness. Dissolving away because of the change in frequency. When i began to try to picture this change, I also remember telling myself that the gravity holding me to my bed right now is also not true and not there. I am floating in a sea of energy, I am pure consciousness dissolving away the physical to only be "itself". Trying to picture all of this in my head, I felt a buildup/concentration/density of heat/pressure starting to build in my forehead region of my head. Exactly like a magnetic attraction within my head. The buildup that I was feeling made me stop thinking about the sea of energy stuff and I began to question what was happening to me. The second I said, "What's going on?" the attraction stopped, the meditation stopped. I quickly tried to re-enter the state I was in. I thought about the same ideas and the buildup came back and this time I didn't stop, I concentrated more on that buildup of energy that was happening. I felt like I was in control of it, once you feel it you will know what I mean by the control. I can control how much energy comes in or out of that region, and you can too once you feel what that region is and first you have to be devoid of a physical self, (or at least that's how I did it) in order to get there. Another way to look at the buildup of energy is to picture orbs/spheres floating around your head. And one at a time you are pulling in each one to the center of your head, each one coming from a different angle. Do this maybe 10-15 times one by one and then once you've gotten that whole movement down. Imagine what it would be like to pull ALL of the orbs in at once. Try to imagine pulling all of them in a few times and you might be able to feel that buildup of pressure in your head from the magnetic effects happening and the concentration of energy there. So after all this buildup of energy took place, that's when everything changed and I felt like I was watching a movie in my head in the way that I wasn't in control anymore. I didn't have to do anything to see what was being shown to me. This sea of darkness was complemented by seeing my body in rings with the bright light coming out of my body and shooting back down in waves. That was all something visual that just came to me and there it was, I was watching it. I have had mild visual effects since then, but never as vibrant or awe-inspiring. However, my meditation has been very revealing and amazing to me even without the visuals. I have felt the vibrations so far of 4 chakra's, I have felt at times like my body was more geometric than I could imagine. Being that my face is more like a triangle and the forces around my body were made up of this composure. I have had my pineal gland "pop" like a popcorn sound and it has sometimes popped 5-6 times in a row. It doesn't hurt, it just always has the habit of breaking my concentration. :D I have had profound feelings of a party going on within my body. I have felt so alive at times, almost like the whole rest of my body was telling me, "we're here, you're there, we love you, there's nothing to be afraid of." Sometimes the meditation can give you the most profound feeling of peace and love. You come out of meditation wondering why your life is the way it is when all you've ever wanted to do is share this same love inside of you with the rest of the world.

[let it shine]

Where does it actually say in the bible it's a bad thing to 'open your third eye'?
It seems as if you are hinting that we're all living in hell and seeing it makes demons get you or something?!

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

not only does doing this open you up to great spiritual and mental harm, opening up all of your eyes also incurs God's wrath

i never hinted toward anything. i plainly said not to do this. it is not what it seems.

[let it shine]

sometimes when i'm trying to go to sleep and i have a lot on my mind i will accidently push it too much without meaning to, and the pressure makes me fucking crazy. then i start to see the light growing in my head and it burns. don't fucking do this.

[wakeuptime]

My goodness, there are so many shills here trying to tell us not to open the third eye that I decided this must be a really important book so I downloaded it. :)

Thanks for posting. I look forward to opening my third eye and having even deeper spiritual understanding than I'm already getting (thanks to Icke and a few others).

[icarus]

I also suspect this is an important book and I have every intention of attempting to do this.

I'd like to see what we're up against, though I suspect that the forces seen are for good and bad. Perhaps this is what some people are worried about. Personally I think I'm strong enough to take on the good and defy the bad.

I have entered into a changed state three times in my life, each time accidentally and without any conscious effort, once when driving a car, when climbing a hill and simply meditating one day.

I think there are answers to be found here, and some would much rather we did not ask the questions, let alone find the answers.

Millions of Hindus and Buddhists can't be wrong, and they don't regularly committ genocide on their neighbours. In fact both of those religions are renown for their peaceful attitudes and love, as opposed to other religions full of hate and terror.

[fekdemasons]

islam is very "this season".you can always try another one though.

:d:d lmfao

[phildee3]

i used to follow this stuff, seeking enlightenment, but luckily enough i was spared from the pandora's box it opens. through meditation and use of entheogenic substances i found out how to open my third eye, and it's my duty to warn all of you that it isn't at all what it seems, and it will only bring damnation to you.



There are safe methods, and some not-so-safe methods, of increasing awareness of higher frequency worlds.

The safest I know of is Rudolf Steiner's approach.

[phildee3]

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

not only does doing this open you up to great spiritual and mental harm, opening up all of your eyes also incurs God's wrath



...from which we can protect ourselves by surrendering to the source of "God" - the infinite, all forgiving, ocean of unconditional Love.

[morphal]

According to your logic the only way of keeping them out is by being totally blind to them but it might shock you to know that an entitiy can still influence you even if you are unaware of it

Lol - doesn`t shock me - that`s the most effective way for an entity to influence a person - hidden and in complete secrecy. It`s when we become aware of them we can do something about it, THAT is what they hate - to be seen, out in the open, and met with free will!

[morphal]

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

not only does doing this open you up to great spiritual and mental harm, opening up all of your eyes also incurs God's wrath

i never hinted toward anything. i plainly said not to do this. it is not what it seems.

What about - If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light - this is a biblical quote often misinterpreted by Christians as single-mindedness - when it actually refers to the spiritual reality of the third eye and interaction with the pineal gland and the subtle energy of God - light - that surrounds us...

[marpat]

Where does it actually say in the bible it's a bad thing to 'open your third eye'?
It seems as if you are hinting that we're all living in hell and seeing it makes demons get you or something?!

It doesnt because the bible does not mention such things. What I find odd is that the prophets obviously had this function so it cannot be seen as an evil thing

[captain coconut]

It doesnt because the bible does not mention such things. What I find odd is that the prophets obviously had this function so it cannot be seen as an evil thing
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. [Matt 6:22]


thank you Jesus.

[marpat]

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. [Matt 6:22]


thank you Jesus.

But does that refer to the third eye? that could mean if your sight is pure,ie. sees only light and not light and dark.

[morphal]

But does that refer to the third eye? that could mean if your sight is pure,ie. sees only light and not light and dark.

I believe it does. Single eye. Body full of light when accessing it (pineal) - good article on interplay of pineal with light-energy, here.

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/singleeyepineal.htm

[lightgiver]

In the Bible

According to the gnostic teachings of Samael Aun Weor, the third eye is referenced symbolically and functionally several times in the Book of Revelation, which as a whole is seen as a work describing Kundalini and its progression upwards through three and a half turns and seven chakras. This interpretation equates the third eye with the sixth of the seven churches of Asia detailed therein, the Church of Philadelphia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye#In_the_Bible

"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

. Various types of lower vertebrates, such as reptiles and amphibians, can actually sense light via a third parietal eye—a structure associated with the pineal gland—which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms, and for navigation, as it can sense the polarization of light.

[morphal]

"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

. Various types of lower vertebrates, such as reptiles and amphibians, can actually sense light via a third parietal eye—a structure associated with the pineal gland—which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms, and for navigation, as it can sense the polarization of light.

Interesting - the full biblical quote :) Seems to imply through the third eye we can access both great light and great darkness! Makes sense - the third eye can be a powerful tool of real dark magicians, as well as something accessed by people with good intentions. Sought after by both - just because it can be used by the darkness, does not mean it is forbidden and evil to open your third eye, just means you should check your intentions and your alignment first - ie., do it with a level of maturity and wisdom...

That's why I wouldn't recommend just diving into the DMT - without gradually growing and preparing first, you may be more inclined to access the dark side.

The reptilian ability to sense light through a third parietal eye is interesting, some people report being able to SEE even though their eyes are closed.

[marpat]

I believe it does. Single eye. Body full of light when accessing it (pineal) - good article on interplay of pineal with light-energy, here.

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/singleeyepineal.htm

You would have to put that down to interpretation in reality

[marpat]

In the Bible

According to the gnostic teachings of Samael Aun Weor, the third eye is referenced symbolically and functionally several times in the Book of Revelation, which as a whole is seen as a work describing Kundalini and its progression upwards through three and a half turns and seven chakras. This interpretation equates the third eye with the sixth of the seven churches of Asia detailed therein, the Church of Philadelphia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye#In_the_Bible

"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

. Various types of lower vertebrates, such as reptiles and amphibians, can actually sense light via a third parietal eye—a structure associated with the pineal gland—which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms, and for navigation, as it can sense the polarization of light.

The books of revelations is really a kabbalistic book. The 10 spheres of the tree of life (where you get ten commandments, etc) are actually split into seven kingdoms, churches, etc. the first three spheres being one and the last two being another. I dont know why people try to work in a Hindu chakra angle.

[morphal]

You would have to put that down to interpretation in reality

If I get your drift - well yes, of course... there's no proof really, it comes down to belief - just as does religion :) and probably everything else ...

[fekdemasons]

The books of revelations is really a kabbalistic book. The 10 spheres of the tree of life (where you get ten commandments, etc) are actually split into seven kingdoms, churches, etc. the first three spheres being one and the last two being another. I dont know why people try to work in a Hindu chakra angle.

Any physical proof of your claims ?:p

[phildee3]

The books of revelations is really a kabbalistic book. The 10 spheres of the tree of life (where you get ten commandments, etc) are actually split into seven kingdoms, churches, etc. the first three spheres being one and the last two being another.



That's a new one to me!!
Is that your thing or someone else's?

[marpat]

If I get your drift - well yes, of course... there's no proof really, it comes down to belief - just as does religion :) and probably everything else ...

Personally I think it is a product of eastern religions. The often have such things in their religious art. Then again, the judaic religions are not supposed to make images so that could be why you dont see such.

[marpat]

That's a new one to me!!
Is that your thing or someone else's?

Nope, I thought it was common knowledge to those who read on such matters.

I guess an example could be the holy living creatures. These four are attributed to the letters of YHVH, which in turn is attributed to the spheres 2-10, God being on the throne in sphere 1. YHVH could then be seen as the word that proceeds from God rather than just a name itself. This part is my own idea that I have just come up with.

[marpat]

Any physical proof of your claims ?:p

How can you have physical proof of a non-physical energy centre?

[phildee3]

I thought it was common knowledge to those who read on such matters.



I never came across it.
I would like to find out where this idea came from so I can explore it.
Any pointers?

[marpat]

I never came across it.
I would like to find out where this idea came from so I can explore it.
Any pointers?

Cant think of any off the top of my head which explores the actual book as such. A basic knowledge of kabbalah would be helpful though. Dont know if you like Edgar Cayce books but he has one which goes through the symbolism of revelations.

[marpat]

Try these links, there are along that line:

http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Book_of_Revelation

http://www.kch42.dial.pipex.com/666f.htm

The fact is that much of the major symbolism of revelations is standard kabbalah:

7 heavens, 7 palaces (7 churches in christian tradition), 7 seals, 7 angels, 7 double letters of the Hebrew alphabet

4 holy living creatures, fourfold name of god, 4 worlds of kabbalah, 4 rivers of Eden

12 tribes, the 12 single letters of the Hebrew alphabet,

The trinity, the 3 mother letters of the alphabet

The book is essentially a visions where John achieves god consciousness.

[fekdemasons]

How can you have physical proof of a non-physical energy centre?

You mean you haven't produced any meaningfull insights via your third eye and recorded them.

Thats pretty obvious
:p

[phildee3]

Try these links, there are along that line:

http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Book_of_Revelation

http://www.kch42.dial.pipex.com/666f.htm

The fact is that much of the major symbolism of revelations is standard kabbalah:

7 heavens, 7 palaces (7 churches in christian tradition), 7 seals, 7 angels, 7 double letters of the Hebrew alphabet

4 holy living creatures, fourfold name of god, 4 worlds of kabbalah, 4 rivers of Eden

12 tribes, the 12 single letters of the Hebrew alphabet,

The trinity, the 3 mother letters of the alphabet

The book is essentially a visions where John achieves god consciousness.



Yes, yes, I know all that,
and I checked your links.
Nothing here that implies that the seven seals/churches/candlesticks are the ten sephiroth.

Please deliver or retract,
otherwise I'll just bin it as disinfo.

[marpat]

You mean you haven't produced any meaningfull insights via your third eye and recorded them.

Thats pretty obvious
:p

Actually I have kept diaries for around 15-20 years. Sorry to piss on your bonfire. The insights would mean nothing to somebody like you though. You have to at least know something before you can understand it.

Can I ask why you are pursuing a personal agenda to derail this thread?

[marpat]

Yes, yes, I know all that,
and I checked your links.
Nothing here that implies that the seven seals/churches/candlesticks are the ten sephiroth.

Please deliver or retract,
otherwise I'll just bin it as disinfo.

Why dont you read some kabbalah? do you need spoon feeding or. Bin it as disinfo if you want, that will not change the facts. Pretty standard stuff really. You can actually find it by referring to Crowleys 777, table CIV. That table shows how the 10 sphere relate to the 7 palaces. Obviously you take the connection to the others occurences of 7 from there.

[cosmicswing]

The chakra system is also used by american shamans although they have a total of 9 (2 more above the traditional crown). It is a worldwide and ancient energy phenomena, and one which more dogmatic belief systems like Christianity appear to oppress through fear. That old chesnut again.....the forbidden fruit of knowledge. Don't question, just serve and follow the RULES or be very afraid. God's wrath?.............how unconditionally loving! Still whatever rocks the old boat I guess.

The Reiki healing system also involves the chakras heavily, as does accupuncture, so I don't quite understand how Alice Baily could have been the person to have created the chakra philosophy..........maybe I misinterpreted what was said earlier in the thread.

Thanks DMT for the make your own link, don't worry I've already been researching, but I'll check out your provido too ;)

[marpat]

In one of my tibetan buddhism books they mention using 5 chakras with the lowest one being air rather than the more usual earth. I personally feel that there is nothing 'universal' about the chankra systm.

[phildee3]

Why dont you read some kabbalah? do you need spoon feeding or.



You don't have to be such a jerk.
I've read some Kabbalah - just not Crowley.

AC doesn't have a monopoly on Kabbalah, you know!
Quite on the fringe, as a matter of fact. Not "standard" by any means.

Anyway, thank you for finally coming up with your source -
Crowley's 777 (Gawd, it's like pulling teeth!!).

I have located it and will look into it - see if it has any credibility
(we all know that AC combines brilliance with bullshit, and I don't particularly relish unravelling the tangles).

[cosmicswing]

Yes they do, I thought this thread was going to be about some sort of psychedelic, but no it was just about a book, if you just dose then it will open then work with it, much quicker and easier and reliable than reading .a book



Congratulations! :) Amazing isnt it lol

And its readily available all you have to do is extract it, its really easy check out www.dmt-nexus.com It has a wiki section that has lots of really easy teks!

Thanks again, that really is an amazing link, full of info and very nice graphics.

During my experience, occasionally the visuals threatend to turn nasty, but I had a realization that they were my own fear based illusions, and behind it all was an unconditional love. The nasty visuals then changed into funny looking cartoon critters, instead of the sharp toothed bad beetle looking circular parade, and all the trips seemed connected to my breathing. The trail behind my friend as he walked past my field of vision was incredible! Like a bright green ready brek glow, but crackling with pixilated energy. I had to lay down and shut my eyes, when my friend came and asked me if I was ok. My back was stooped forward and my head was low, as I ventured deeper and deeper into the centre of the swirling circular majestic beauty, it was all too much in such a funny way. Laying down, with my eyes closed I continued to see the show, and was clutching for insights (which were personal and profound) and continuation as the affects began to wear off.

Wow!............As Hicks said...."No wonder the government (and religions) is cracking down on the idea of experiencing unconditional love" :eek:

[cosmicswing]

As a footnote. I was lucky enough to meet Bill's mother and brother last monday in London, at an exclusive premier screening of a new Hicks film to be released next year. We chatted for around an hour with 2 of my mates, just the 5 of us! They were so nice, I'm still in a state of shock about it now :):eek::D

[lightgiver]

The Kalachakra (Wheel of Time) tantric system contains not only an extensive religious practice system, but also medical knowledge. At the core of the system is the very familiar concept of 'as above, so below', the correspondence of the outer universe with the inner physical and mental processes in humans. It describes the interaction of human and cosmic phenomena with time and builds a complete system of Indian astrology.
Interestingly enough, this tradition contains all elements of Indian astrology, but merges it with Chinese principles. The Tibetans started to adopt the 60 year cycle in 1027, as it was taught both in the Kalachakra tantra and the Chinese tradition.

The Dzogchen Tantras, the ancient teachings from which the bardo instructions come, speak of a mythical bird, the garuda, which is born fully grown. This image symbolizes our primordial nature, which is already completely perfect. The garuda chick has all its wing feathers fully developed inside the egg, but it cannot fly before it hatches. Only at the moment when the shell cracks open can it burst out and soar up into the sky. Similarly, the masters tell us, the qualities of buddhahood are veiled by the body, and as soon as the body is discarded, they will be radiantly displayed.

In Tibetan we call the essential nature of mind Rigpa—primordial, pure, pristine awareness that is at once intelligent, cognizant, radiant, and always awake. This nature of mind, its innermost essence, is absolutely and always untouched by change or death. At present it is hidden within our own mind, our sem, enveloped and obscured by the mental scurry of our thoughts and emotions. Just as clouds can be shifted by a strong gust of wind to reveal the shining sun and wide-open sky, so, under certain circumstances, some inspiration may uncover for us glimpses of this nature of mind. These glimpses have many depths and degrees, but each of them will bring some light of understanding, meaning and freedom.
This is because the nature of mind is the very root itself of understanding.

What is the nature of mind like? Imagine a sky, empty, spacious, and pure from the beginning; its essence is like this. Imagine a sun, luminous, clear, unobstructed, and spontaneously present; its nature is like this. Imagine that sun shining out impartially on us and all things, penetrating all directions; its energy, which is the manifestation of compassion, is like this: Nothing can obstruct it, and it pervades everywhere.

Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche describes a yogi wandering through a garden. He is completely awake to the splendour and beauty of the flowers, and relishes their colours, shapes and scents. But there is no trace of clinging or any “after-thought” in his mind.
As Dudjom Rinpoche says:
“Whatever perceptions arise, you should be like a little child going into a beautifully decorated temple; he looks, but grasping does not enter into his perception at all. You leave everything fresh, natural, vivid and unspoiled. When you leave each thing in its own state, then its shape doesn’t change, its colour doesn’t fade and its glow does not disappear. Whatever appears is unstained by any grasping, so then all that you perceive arises as the naked wisdom of Rigpa, which is the indivisibility of luminosity and emptiness.”

[cosmicswing]

In one of my tibetan buddhism books they mention using 5 chakras with the lowest one being air rather than the more usual earth. I personally feel that there is nothing 'universal' about the chankra systm.

You sound pretty well versed in it all marpat. Although a rigid chakra system doesn't seem universal, (or should I have really said international, earthly or worldly?), a looser system with variances on a theme seems apparent to my own limited research.

[azureangel]

I was reading an autobiography by Gopi Krishna. He was a very disciplined devotee of meditation. He practiced daily, and in experimenting, found that he suffered terribly from releasing the Kundalini energy on one side of his body; at the time he couldn't find a yogi who could explain what had happened. He described feeling on fire, unable to focus, seeing demons. He tuned into his own consciousness, and when he balanced the flow of energy out, he felt much better and was able to perceive some pretty wonderful things, like a "glow" on everything, increased memory, brain function and other abilities. I suspect that a heavy focus on any one chakra ( in this case I'm referring to the 6th) will open the energies; but as you had a headache significantly after this one, maybe the energy could have been a little more balanced. Also it sounded like an out of body experience as well. Really interesting episode!

As for the religious aspect to this, I think lightgiver covered that. Whatever your motive when you engage in these practices, will affect the outcome. OK, so say we become clairvoyant. This is what we're talking about here; the ability to see with the 6th chakra, or 3rd eye. Yep, we may very well see some of those quite strange looking beings which are always around, just a wavelength away from our vision. Any Icke follower should be aware that they are there, whether or not we see them. Whether I want to see them at this point, hmm. I might get pissed and tell them to fuck off. The likelihood of my suddenly becoming a satanist whether or not I see lizzies is low to nonexistant. These beings just don't have that level of control over us. On the other hand, if I go outside in nature and focus my attention in the center of my head and become aware of my senses, I begin to hear a symphony of creatures, smell the perfume on the wind, feel its caress, the grass under my feet, and it all becomes one. Interesting insights and a sense of utter contentment come from this. Also the animals tend to approach. A lizzie from level 4 can't find much energy to feed on when I feel like that. Have fun, don't worry! Love, angel

[icarus]

Interesting - the full biblical quote :)

The reptilian ability to sense light through a third parietal eye is interesting, some people report being able to SEE even though their eyes are closed.

That's incredible to read cos i've had this very experience, seeing with my eyes closed, but usually in the morning just after waking up. I just assumed it was memory playing tricks but perhaps there's more to it. I have to tell myself to open my eyes and when I do there's no change from what I was seeing with them closed!

Hard to explin, all very weird.

[fekdemasons]

Actually I have kept diaries for around 15-20 years. Sorry to piss on your bonfire. The insights would mean nothing to somebody like you though. You have to at least know something before you can understand it.

Can I ask why you are pursuing a personal agenda to derail this thread?


I'm just being objective Marpat , you ask for proof on other subjects but are quite happy to indulge yourself in metaphysical "belief systems"

Not that I'm saying these thindgs aren't a reality , far from it. Just the sheer hypocrasy I find stagering.


Pain in the arse isn't it when somebody wants to debunk or argue everysingle post ?

your well versed at disagreeing or picking members up. At times you manage to have four or five seperate arguments at the same time.

Bighead

[marpat]

You sound pretty well versed in it all marpat. Although a rigid chakra system doesn't seem universal, (or should I have really said international, earthly or worldly?), a looser system with variances on a theme seems apparent to my own limited research.

I would agree

[marpat]

I'm just being objective Marpat , you ask for proof on other subjects but are quite happy to indulge yourself in metaphysical "belief systems"

Not that I'm saying these thindgs aren't a reality , far from it. Just the sheer hypocrasy I find stagering.


Pain in the arse isn't it when somebody wants to debunk or argue everysingle post ?

your well versed at disagreeing or picking members up. At times you manage to have four or five seperate arguments at the same time.

Bighead

How boring. You got anything interresting to say?

[phildee3]

Bighead



Oh, marps just on one of his ego trips at the moment.
He can actually be quite cool when he's off 'em.

[marpat]

Oh, marps just on one of his ego trips at the moment.
He can actually be quite cool when he's off 'em.

Not at all. FDM has come into this thread purely to try and give me grief. He also asked for me presence in the chemtrail thread knowing full well what would happen.

[fekdemasons]

How boring. You got anything interresting to say?

I just sent it to your third eye ...

It wasn't a compliment ! :p:p

[wakeupworld]

Will download and read, thanks for posting.

[phildee3]

He can actually be quite cool when he's off 'em.

Not at all.



Okay - have it your way - you always act like a jerk.

[marpat]

Okay - have it your way - you always act like a jerk.

If you say so. Maybe its a reaction to the sort of attitudes I get in here though

[xpleet]

-page dropper-

[xpleet]

You arguing people need to let go. Apparently neither of you will enforce opinion upon each other so your words will end up nowhere.

I'll share my experiences with the psychic eye.


It is my impression, that the psychic eye never focuses like our physical eye. I seem to always lose psychic-eye sight when I focus with my physical eyes.
The psychic-eye seems to always triy to look at objects as a whole.
I've been meditating more recently and I've begun to have closed-eye-visuals. They usually abruptly end once my rational mind comes in the way. It is ok to completly let it happen, in fact it is essential to completly let go and have the experience download into the rational mind only afterwards, like you would do with an out of body experience/astral projection.
Meditation can de-program and helps to shut down the rational mind which is essential, remember the third-eye is an IMPOSSIBILITY to your rational mind, therefore the rational mind will try to block the experience, since it is "impossible" :rolleyes:.
The benefit of meditation is not only to train in letting go but also does it help to lower one's brainwaves. At some points I had so much control over my brainwaves that I could simply find the switch in my brain and turn-off fear on command. I then tested this further in a few walks, through the forest at night for a couple of hours.

We need to get over this baggage of entertainment and reclaim the awareness that has been stolen from us for such a long time.

In every meditation (probably better called trance session in this case), something amazing can happen that will help you to stay motivated on the path.
I've found that my mind will try to do ANYTHING possible to obstruct me and keep me from the practice of meditation, using all tricks possible.
The only solution I see is to tame one's mind like you'd tame a hungry hellhound, tho without causing internal friction in yourself.
I found that frustration, despair and boredom are illusions that one's mind can only create if there are a lot of beta-brainwaves (the fastest and the most illusion enabling). We can learn to turn them off as we rarely need them. In fact I've found that most of the time, I can think much clearer and deeper with little beta waves and rather abundantly alpha.

[suicidal_martyr]

You arguing people need to let go. Apparently neither of you will enforce opinion upon each other so your words will end up nowhere.

In most situations like this it becomes more among the lines of who gets the last word. I usually never get the last word when arguing on here. It's funny really, it calculates who has the biggest ego the way I see it and really all it does is provoke more annoyance and resentment from opposing people, haha. I usually just get tricky and mess with a person's head by that time and leave them in a confused state letting them get the last word. Because I just KNOW i'll never get the last word, because I know nothing and the person I ever argue with usually probably knows it all, or at least think they do...:)

[fekdemasons]

You arguing people need to let go. Apparently neither of you will enforce opinion upon each other so your words will end up nowhere.

I can't help but agree , trouble is ... it's too much fun trying.

[delamo1999]

You arguing people need to let go. Apparently neither of you will enforce opinion upon each other so your words will end up nowhere.

I'll share my experiences with the psychic eye.


It is my impression, that the psychic eye never focuses like our physical eye. I seem to always lose psychic-eye sight when I focus with my physical eyes.
The psychic-eye seems to always triy to look at objects as a whole.
I've been meditating more recently and I've begun to have closed-eye-visuals. They usually abruptly end once my rational mind comes in the way. It is ok to completly let it happen, in fact it is essential to completly let go and have the experience download into the rational mind only afterwards, like you would do with an out of body experience/astral projection.
Meditation can de-program and helps to shut down the rational mind which is essential, remember the third-eye is an IMPOSSIBILITY to your rational mind, therefore the rational mind will try to block the experience, since it is "impossible" :rolleyes:.
The benefit of meditation is not only to train in letting go but also does it help to lower one's brainwaves. At some points I had so much control over my brainwaves that I could simply find the switch in my brain and turn-off fear on command. I then tested this further in a few walks, through the forest at night for a couple of hours.

We need to get over this baggage of entertainment and reclaim the awareness that has been stolen from us for such a long time.

In every meditation (probably better called trance session in this case), something amazing can happen that will help you to stay motivated on the path.
I've found that my mind will try to do ANYTHING possible to obstruct me and keep me from the practice of meditation, using all tricks possible.
The only solution I see is to tame one's mind like you'd tame a hungry hellhound, tho without causing internal friction in yourself.
I found that frustration, despair and boredom are illusions that one's mind can only create if there are a lot of beta-brainwaves (the fastest and the most illusion enabling). We can learn to turn them off as we rarely need them. In fact I've found that most of the time, I can think much clearer and deeper with little beta waves and rather abundantly alpha.


Xpleet thanks for sharing this post as you have some really great points. I agree with you on the beta-brainwaves which is why I have been trying to adjust my brainwaves so that they are more in the alpha wave. I also find that I am calmer too. Now if I can train my brain to do telekinesis.... well.

I agree too that the negative arguing people need to go.

:)

[marpat]

You arguing people need to let go. Apparently neither of you will enforce opinion upon each other so your words will end up nowhere.

I can't help but agree , trouble is ... it's too much fun trying.

mmm, admitting that you are trying to provoke an arguement?

At least we know your true motive for coming into this thread.

[marpat]

You sound pretty well versed in it all marpat. Although a rigid chakra system doesn't seem universal, (or should I have really said international, earthly or worldly?), a looser system with variances on a theme seems apparent to my own limited research.

Although I am replying to this post again, there is also something I forgot to mention. In the tibetn buddhist system there are only five main centres but often only the top three are used, the head, throat and heart.

[morphal]

I came across some interesting info that relates back to the third eye and pineal connections, also about the points of the biblical quotation mentioned a few pages back Matt 6:22-23

"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

And we talked about the possibility of the pineal/third eye being a power able to tap into both light and dark, to be used both for good and evil.

Apparrently the Essene also taught of this. I was reading some of their gospels and was sure I came across a concept like this... I didn't make a note of it so I'm looking for it again. But here is a page based on Essene philosophy which I thought was interesting - it talks about having to re-align the pineal through meditation because we're off center, due to earth's tilt and also probably due to our galaxy being eaten by the Milky Way. Apparently the Essenes may have known something about this and referred to our home galaxy as the Heavenly Father, where we want to return, at least with our spirits after death, so we don't get trapped here in the astral and rebirth and illusion and all of that...

http://essene-living.netfirms.com/

[marpat]

I came across some interesting info that relates back to the third eye and pineal connections, also about the points of the biblical quotation mentioned a few pages back Matt 6:22-23

"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

And we talked about the possibility of the pineal/third eye being a power able to tap into both light and dark, to be used both for good and evil.

Apparrently the Essense also taught of this. I was reading some of their gospels and was sure I came across a concept like this... I didn't make a note of it so I'm looking for it again. But here is a page based on Essene philosophy which I thought was interesting - it talks about having to re-align the pineal through meditation because we're off center, due to earth's tilt and also probably due to our galaxy being eaten by the Milky Way. Apparently the Essense may have known something about this and referred to our home galaxy as the Heavenly Father, where we want to return, at least with our spirits after death, so we don't get trapped here in the astral and rebirth and illusion and all of that...

http://essene-living.netfirms.com/

It could be very possible. In eastern art deities are often shown with a third eye but judaic religions are not supposed to make images of any spiritual being so that could be why we dont have any direct reference, just something possibly pointing to it in the bible.

In kabbalah the 2nd spehere is attribued to the zodiac as a whole but I once had the idea that the very first sphere, the I AM, might be connected with the galaxy which would fit with what you say. In modern kabbalah the first spere has no stellar attribute although some people have attributed the outer planets to the higher spheres in the past 100 years.

[infinite tea]

I also suspect this is an important book and I have every intention of attempting to do this.

I'd like to see what we're up against, though I suspect that the forces seen are for good and bad. Perhaps this is what some people are worried about. Personally I think I'm strong enough to take on the good and defy the bad.

I have entered into a changed state three times in my life, each time accidentally and without any conscious effort, once when driving a car, when climbing a hill and simply meditating one day.

I think there are answers to be found here, and some would much rather we did not ask the questions, let alone find the answers.

Millions of Hindus and Buddhists can't be wrong, and they don't regularly committ genocide on their neighbours. In fact both of those religions are renown for their peaceful attitudes and love, as opposed to other religions full of hate and terror.


These are the quotes/thoughts that always puzzled me:

The truth lives within, The kingdom is within - where else do we need to look?

We are all One - who else is there to hurt you but yourself?

Anything is possible.

If God is everything then isn't everything God and if so isn't it egotistical to worship God (not love but worship, love feels nice so makes sense but worshiping yourself?)

The truth will set you free.

The truth is simple.

The truth is hard to hear.

You are more powerful than you would ever dare to imagine.

You are nothing.


- my own experiences lead me to believe that I am just a point of conciousness travelling through the infinite matrix of endless posssibility that is eternity or more corr3ectly that it passes through me or to be really correct that I am it - the challenge is to be it with love and surrender whilst also taking full responsibilty and being completely honest. It's like trying to balance on a pin head 100 feet above the ground but then you realise that you are the pinhead and you can't falleven if you try. It's a dream and you are eternal. Not easy to do until you totaly let go and see what happens when you follow your inner guidence fully. (not sitting on a mat all day nec essarily but following your dream)

[infinite tea]

I agree too that the negative arguing people need to go.

:)

Can't turn away from anything - negative posters are here to fine tune your perception - they perform a valuable function - listen to what they are saying and you will get a more watertight perspective which i presume is closer to the truth :-)

Often this can be not taking things too seriously.

[pinkfreud]

what a splendid thread. never mind those who keep trying to downplay the importance of awakening/stimulating/opening your third eye.


why is the third eye so important? because it simply is the 'gateway' towards accessing your crown chakra, which is representative of achieving the 'higher consciousness' we really yearn for. it is symbolic of inner vision, rather than outer vision- which is what our physical eyes help us to do.

this what the religious hindu god shiva actually stands for. and this is why he is always shown meditating atop mount kailash with his third eye half open. when he opens his third eye, all illusion and duality gets destroyed. even buddha is said to have had a third eye.

you don't have to believe in shiva or buddha to know what this means... it denotes the breaking down of a false reality which i assume everyone here is out to do.





thanks infinite tea for posting that ebook. also, listening to certain brain wave frequencies will help you 'tune in', as also will the chanting of 'om' and certain pranayama + mudra techniques.

[morphal]

It could be very possible. In eastern art deities are often shown with a third eye but judaic religions are not supposed to make images of any spiritual being so that could be why we dont have any direct reference, just something possibly pointing to it in the bible.

In kabbalah the 2nd spehere is attribued to the zodiac as a whole but I once had the idea that the very first sphere, the I AM, might be connected with the galaxy which would fit with what you say. In modern kabbalah the first spere has no stellar attribute although some people have attributed the outer planets to the higher spheres in the past 100 years.

That's interesting. I don't know anything about the kabbalah but... the Essenes compare humans with trees, we have roots that connect to the earth mother - and branches that connect with the heavenly father. The tree of life? Just as we can focus our grounding energies into the earth, we can also reach up into the heavens - the galaxies and stars - through our branches.

[icarus]

I've read that Jesus, if he even existed, may have been an Essene. They are thought to be most likely responsible for the Dead Sea Scrolls, which have been suppressed for years now.

I am keen to attempt to do this, but I'm aware that when I post too much on the internet about demons and the like, I start to have uncomfortable dreams and experiences. I just wonder if thinking about these things somehow lower barriers to them.

I'm sure I'm strong enough to resist whatever may be there, but who knows.

[morphal]

Yes - I recently learned that the Dead Sea Scrolls were 'discovered' in a secret vatican library in the 1930s... prior to that, I'd thought they were dug out and discovered somewhere in a cave on a dig - but NOOO... the Catholic Church was hiding them all along!

Ok just updating because I'm reading about Dead Sea Scrolls that were found on digs between 1947 and 1960. The documents found in the Vatican refers to The Essene Gospel of Peace --

It was in 1928 that Edmond Bordeaux Szekely first published his translation of Book One of The Essene Gospel of Peace, an ancient manuscript he had found in the Secret Archives of the Vatican as the result of limitless patience, faultless scholarship, and unerring intuition, a story told in his book, The Discovery of the Essene Gospel of Peace. The English version of this ancient manuscript appeared in 1937, and ever since, the little volume has traveled all over the world, appearing in different languages, and gaining every year more and more readers, until now, still with no commercial advertisement, over a million copies have been sold in the United States alone. It was not until almost fifty years after the first French translation that Book Two and Book Three appeared, and these also have now become classics of the Essene literature.

Yes try it, I'd say - those critters are always around anyway - if they start showing themselves to you, it's possible they're trying to shut you down with a fear reaction, and prevent you from reaching into higher realms anyway.

[marpat]

That's interesting. I don't know anything about the kabbalah but... the Essenes compare humans with trees, we have roots that connect to the earth mother - and branches that connect with the heavenly father. The tree of life? Just as we can focus our grounding energies into the earth, we can also reach up into the heavens - the galaxies and stars - through our branches.

I would say very possibly. In kabbalah a person is seen standing on the earth with the highest point (representing the first point of being) just above the head. The concept is very similar to the Hndu chakra setup just with a slightly different layout. All of the centres have a solar/ stellar aspect in the following decending order:

First swirling (which I see as the galaxy)
Zodiac
Saturn
Jupiter
Mars
Sun
Venus
Mercury
Moon
Earth

Notice the outer invisible planets are not included but some attribue these to the highest centres, including the hidden sphere of Daath, knowledge.

With regard to the third eye the first three sphere on the tree of life form a triangle around the head so we could perhaps see the kabbalistic equivalent of the third eye as being the interaction of these first three sphere, which are one in reality.

[pessi_optimist]

nn-DMT
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GhEj314cmLw&feature=related
Pineal Gland & DMT [ Real Information ]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=enaewwcajzY&feature=related

Drugs can be used to expand your awareness and conciousness, To "pry open your 3rd eye". A good idea, would be to then spend the next ten years trying to get there without the drugs.

Choosing to Be Here Now, Meditate, this is a good start ;)

Next time you wash your hands, just wash your hands and still your mind, concentrate on the job at hand (no pun intended :D). Next you might be stopping rain drops on the window pane ;)

The second video has been removed. Could barely listen to the first due to the bad music :)

[pessi_optimist]

That first dmt clip has "Illuminaughty" by Infected Mushroom in the background - what a tune!

Had my first dmt trip around a month ago and it was amazing. :) Colours like I've never before seen with such beautiful symetry, and a prescence of unconditional love that had a femine feel to it. Such a distant memory already, and due to the extreme lack of availibility, not to be repeated anytime soon............... :(

Is it available anywhere at all?

[pessi_optimist]

And its readily available all you have to do is extract it, its really easy check out www.dmt-nexus.com It has a wiki section that has lots of really easy teks!

Cool, thanks :)

[whiterain]

i had a dream the other night where i was taught to recreate a feeling i had in my head with psychadelics. it was almost like a crossing eye/rem sucking my nose into my head type feeling and definately felt like a pineal type thing. unfortunately the dream was over too quickly and i never got to learn completely. ring any bells to anyone? any ideas on how this technique may be useful?

[infinite tea]

i had a dream the other night where i was taught to recreate a feeling i had in my head with psychadelics. it was almost like a crossing eye/rem sucking my nose into my head type feeling and definately felt like a pineal type thing. unfortunately the dream was over too quickly and i never got to learn completely. ring any bells to anyone? any ideas on how this technique may be useful?

LSD is naturally occuring in your brain, so is DMT.... MDMA mimics seratonin...heroin mimicks endorphins - if you felt it through taking a pill you can feel it through training your self. Personally I have used drug experiences as a reference to what possibilities there are and a barometer of how I am progressing. It was while I was pilled up at the hacienda I first had the flash of understanding that - this is what yogis and gurus meditate for, this incredible unwavering feeling of love and wellbeing, to be pilled up naturally all the time that's my aim now - it's what every wise person ever said too - all is love :-)

[whiterain]

LSD is naturally occuring in your brain, so is DMT.... MDMA mimics seratonin...heroin mimicks endorphins - if you felt it through taking a pill you can feel it through training your self. Personally I have used drug experiences as a reference to what possibilities there are and a barometer of how I am progressing. It was while I was pilled up at the hacienda I first had the flash of understanding that - this is what yogis and gurus meditate for, this incredible unwavering feeling of love and wellbeing, to be pilled up naturally all the time that's my aim now - it's what every wise person ever said too - all is love :-)

agree completely. it seems these days the only progress i have is in the dream state. not even in a lucid dream state though either. its like i only make progress when i am completely switched off and barely even conscious at all. its frustrating to say the least, but if i look on the bright side i suppose its quite easy.

im convinced one of these days im going to have a full on higher consciousness out of body type dream, i just hope that im lucid enoughto remember it and how it happened. just another all too brief glimse would only add to frustration i feel. the all encompassing feeling of bliss that feels like it will never end is the most amazing thing ive ever experienced. losing that can be tricky to deal with though, especially when it felt so easy to get it in the first place, but now almost impossible.

cheers for the reply. you a mancunian then? spent a few years up that way myself, unfortunately long after the hacendas heyday

[whiterain]

That's incredible to read cos i've had this very experience, seeing with my eyes closed, but usually in the morning just after waking up. I just assumed it was memory playing tricks but perhaps there's more to it. I have to tell myself to open my eyes and when I do there's no change from what I was seeing with them closed!

Hard to explin, all very weird.

ive had this too briefly while meditating. its like a thought imprint of my surroundings enters my mind and i can actually see it. it only really happens when im tired meditating and accidentally drifting off to sleep. its very similar to the actual surroundings but slight differences occur sometimes. it can often be so similar that it takes a short while to realise that ive got my eyes closed, although as soon as i realise this it gets a bit exciting and i just wake up

have a look at hypnagogic imagery. should be a good place to start finding out whats going on here

[logan 5]

Thanks for the download..reading the book now..

[infinite tea]

agree completely. it seems these days the only progress i have is in the dream state. not even in a lucid dream state though either. its like i only make progress when i am completely switched off and barely even conscious at all. its frustrating to say the least, but if i look on the bright side i suppose its quite easy.

im convinced one of these days im going to have a full on higher consciousness out of body type dream, i just hope that im lucid enoughto remember it and how it happened. just another all too brief glimse would only add to frustration i feel. the all encompassing feeling of bliss that feels like it will never end is the most amazing thing ive ever experienced. losing that can be tricky to deal with though, especially when it felt so easy to get it in the first place, but now almost impossible.

cheers for the reply. you a mancunian then? spent a few years up that way myself, unfortunately long after the hacendas heyday

Don't look for the joy, look for the joy of looking for the joy - that's my tip for finding that place easier :-) Oh and also the love enters you from behind your heart, to open your heart chakra recognise the stream enters from behind.

I love manchester, down in norwich now though, mancs not a place for families, just cool degenerates :-)

[whiterain]

cheers great advice as always. i certainly remember once after negotiating a very tricky experience, the point at which it became far more positive coincided with a definate rising of the energy through my body from my feet culminating in a massive outpouring from my chest. it was definately this feeling that allowed me to feel far more positive as the energy felt so much less threatening than when it was creeping up my legs etc. im back in the southeast meself. cant take too much rain and cold up there

[infinite tea]

cheers great advice as always. i certainly remember once after negotiating a very tricky experience, the point at which it became far more positive coincided with a definate rising of the energy through my body from my feet culminating in a massive outpouring from my chest. it was definately this feeling that allowed me to feel far more positive as the energy felt so much less threatening than when it was creeping up my legs etc. im back in the southeast meself. cant take too much rain and cold up there

I was in Brighton after Manc, too pricey though, great place. Yeh it's like taking acid with a pill for insurance :-)

[infinite tea]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIcF-p3vu8

just found this.

[infinite tea]

And this too :-)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5907149163213796986#

[whiterain]

And this too :-)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5907149163213796986#

cheers yeah that guy seems great. im a straight guy but i just want to give him a big hug

[pessi_optimist]

Does anyone know if i can buy that download in book form?

[infinite tea]

Does anyone know if i can buy that download in book form?

I think you can buy it from the guys website?

[dude111]

Very nice thank you for the PDF,i think my 3rd eye is partly open already :)

[thedefender]

Thanks for bringing this book to my attention.

[tothestars]

Where does it actually say in the bible it's a bad thing to 'open your third eye'?
It seems as if you are hinting that we're all living in hell and seeing it makes demons get you or something?!

It is a Troll. Never mind it.

Go ahead and open your third eye! :)

[lupa]

Around ten years ago my third eye opened fully which showed me the universe. I was the universe and the universe was me. I saw a solar system it was the most amazing and profound thing that has ever happened to me. I also heard this sound, it was amazing I can't explain it in words but it filled the whole universe echoing on its self I guess it was all the vibrations of the universe entwined into one. I put this down to the word of god. for a long time afterwards I felt true bliss in my heart and everything felt connected to me and I was connected to everything else. The world was beautiful, I was ecstatic. When my eye was opening I could hear my own vibration which became louder and louder also I felt what felt like someone was pressing hard on the front of my head and at the back of the head too. It was a very strong pressure like someone was pushing with all their might on my head with their thumb is the only way I can describe it.

It's taken me a long time to really understand what happened to me and have often wondered why this happened to me, I mean why me? why was I given this? but it happened and am now concentrating on archiving this again. I can't believe that folks on here think that this is an evil practise and against God when it brought me closer to understanding God conciousness and filled me such happiness and love for everything. I was given a beautiful gift that I will treasure for the rest of my life And hope this happens to me again at some point.

[infinite tea]

Around ten years ago my third eye opened fully which showed me the universe. I was the universe and the universe was me. I saw a solar system it was the most amazing and profound thing that has ever happened to me. I also heard this sound, it was amazing I can't explain it in words but it filled the whole universe echoing on its self I guess it was all the vibrations of the universe entwined into one. I put this down to the word of god. for a long time afterwards I felt true bliss in my heart and everything felt connected to me and I was connected to everything else. The world was beautiful, I was ecstatic. When my eye was opening I could hear my own vibration which became louder and louder also I felt what felt like someone was pressing hard on the front of my head and at the back of the head too. It was a very strong pressure like someone was pushing with all their might on my head with their thumb is the only way I can describe it.

It's taken me a long time to really understand what happened to me and have often wondered why this happened to me, I mean why me? why was I given this? but it happened and am now concentrating on archiving this again. I can't believe that folks on here think that this is an evil practise and against God when it brought me closer to understanding God conciousness and filled me such happiness and love for everything. I was given a beautiful gift that I will treasure for the rest of my life And hope this happens to me again at some point.

Great post lupa - the second coming will be a planetary event I feel. Why you - because YOU are it :-)

[lupa]

Great post lupa - the second coming will be a planetary event I feel. Why you - because YOU are it :-)

We are all it :)

[infinite tea]

We are all it :)

Exactly :-)

Did you know that the projected population for the world in 2012 is very similar to the sum of all the individual souls who have walked on the earth in human form over the past 125,000 years!! i.e. everyone who has lived here at any point over the past 125,000 years will be represented in bodily form when the global event happens.

I also read that a pole shift would trigger a mass DMT event across the planet.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all had your amazing experience from 10 years ago at the same time - how different would the world be then??

[lupa]

Exactly :-)

Did you know that the projected population for the world in 2012 is very similar to the sum of all the individual souls who have walked on the earth in human form over the past 125,000 years!! i.e. everyone who has lived here at any point over the past 125,000 years will be represented in bodily form when the global event happens.

I also read that a pole shift would trigger a mass DMT event across the planet.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all had your amazing experience from 10 years ago at the same time - how different would the world be then??

If everyone experienced what I did the world would change instantly! It really would :)

[infinite tea]

Wouldn't that be nice :-)

[pegcityevolve]

Exactly :-)

Did you know that the projected population for the world in 2012 is very similar to the sum of all the individual souls who have walked on the earth in human form over the past 125,000 years!! i.e. everyone who has lived here at any point over the past 125,000 years will be represented in bodily form when the global event happens.

I also read that a pole shift would trigger a mass DMT event across the planet.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all had your amazing experience from 10 years ago at the same time - how different would the world be then??But didn't 2012 actually happen in 05-06? As the Mayans don't count leap years?