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runciter

12-11-2008, 10:00 AM

So many times I see people here refer to someone "maybe they're a Satanist, so horrible". So what? Satanism is a belief system like many others. I think it's better not to have any system at all, but it's still better than many other systems.

The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

October 16, 2007
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

"How can one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight unless...God had delivered them into enemy hands?" Deuteronomy 32:30

"Either convert to Islam or die." This was the choice the Turkish Sultan put to Sabbatai Zevi, self-proclaimed Jewish "Messiah" in 1666.

By only pretending to convert, Zevi resorted to a common practice. But Zevi was not an ordinary Jew. He led a popular heresy, based on a satanic strain of Cabalism. The rabbis had denounced him and his followers.

After his "conversion," over a million followers, who later included financiers like the Rothschilds, imitated his example. But they didn't just pretend to be Muslims or Christians. They pretended to be Jews as well.

Communist defector Bella Dodd revealed that during the 1930's the Communist Party had 1100 members join the Catholic Priesthood. They became Bishops, Cardinals and possibly Popes.

By adopting this chameleon strategy, this satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. In the words of the gifted researcher Clifford Shack:

"Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi's death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry... [Zevi's successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere... there is power. They are the good guys AND the bad guys. The World War Two era is a prime example. The following leaders were members of the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (Sabbatean/Frankists): Franklin D. Roosevelt; Winston Churchill; Adolph Hitler; Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII); Francisco Franco; Benito Mussolini; Hirohito and Mao Tse-Tung."

IMPLICATIONS

If Mr. Shack is correct, historians, educators and journalists collaborate by upholding a false reality and distracting us from the truth. Our world, our perception of the human experience, are shaped by an occult secret society. Our culture is an elaborate psy-op.

Obviously, the Sabbateans and their descendants should consume our attention. Instead, they are hidden from view. They were decisive in the so-called "Enlightenment," "secularism" and "modernism," which are but baby steps to their Satanism.

According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: "Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners."

Their blasphemous benediction "who permits the forbidden" later became the Illuminist "do as thou wilt" the expression of their "religious" feeling. Totally amoral, they believe the "end justifies the means." ("To Eliminate the Opiate", Vol. 2 p. 87)

In 1756, Jacob Frank and his followers were excommunicated by the rabbis. Antelman says the Sabbateans were behind the Reform, Liberal and Revolutionary movements of the Nineteenth century. They were also behind the Reform and Conservative movements in Judaism, including the "Haskalah" i.e. Jewish assimilation. In other words, Jews have been influenced by the Sabbateans and don't even know it.

That is their tactic. They don't advocate a Satanic kingdom. They gently steer you that way by questioning the existence of God, by demanding "sexual liberation", "independence" for women, "internationalism", "diversity" and "religious tolerance". These all have a hidden agenda: to undermine "all collective forces except our own." (...)

http://www.savethemales.ca/the_satanic_cult_that_rules_th.html

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Was the 17th Century Jewish Messiah, Shabbetai Tzvi, really an impostor as history would have us believe? He was acknowledged and proclaimed to be the Messiah by Nathan of Gaza,the only authentic, recognized Jewish prophet in the past 2500 years. He was accepted as the Messiah by the vast majority of World Jewry, that is, until he consented to convert to Islam when threatened with death by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Shabbatai Tzvi understood the conversion to be a sign from G-d that he needed to take his mission underground. In a letter to his brother he wrote, "G-d has made me a Turk."

Do people have the power to reject a messiah?

Did Shabtai Tzvi's "conversion" to Islam render him a messianic impostor or were those that rejected Shabbetai Tzvi rendered infidels with their rejection?

Did Shabbetai Tzvi have offspring? Yes. Where are they now? Where is this Messianic Dynasty? Have they vanished into obscurity? History leaves us no clues. Or does it? Perhaps Shabbatai did succeed in his messianic takeover of the planet. Perhaps his offspring did manage to fulfill the mission of their prophet-proclaimed Messiah father? I suggest that the family Rothschild are direct descendents of the messiah, Shabbatai Tzvi. Shabbatai Tzvi said that he would rebuild Israel. The Rothschilds did. He said that he would re-unite the lost tribes that had been spread out throughout the world. Has this been accomplished through the United Nations? Is the UN a project of hidden Rothschild influence designed to bring world peace? A Rothschild-Shabbatai Tzvi connection would also explain the Rothschilds' relationship to the mystical Jacob Frank, a co-creator of the Illuminati, who claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbetai Tzvi. It would also explain the Rothschilds strange obsession with their bloodline and their custom of intermarrying amongst themselves. Was this practice determined to keep the royal messianic blood from assimilation? A Rothschildian/Messianic relationship would also explain their lavish and opulent lifestyle. Why shouldn't the direct descendants of the messiah live within the finest palaces on Earth?

It should therefore come as no surprise that there is a strong family resemblance between Shabbatai Tzvi and the Family Rothschild.

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http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai_rothschild.html

haukipesukone

12-11-2008, 10:41 AM

Nice article but what's that got to do with Satanism?

Today I went to a Satanic Cantonese class. "Why do you I call it Satanic," you might ask. "Because", I might answer.

Same thing with the article.

lordzoma

12-11-2008, 10:43 AM

Right and wrong do not exist.

runciter

12-11-2008, 10:45 AM

Nice article but what's that got to do with Satanism?

it tells you what "satanism" is in reality, feel free to ignore it.

armoured_amazon

12-11-2008, 10:45 AM

I think people are confusing Satanism with Satan worshipping. Isn't Satanism being adversial to (the Judeo-Christian) God?

The greatest trick.

runciter

12-11-2008, 10:47 AM

Right and wrong do not exist.

wrong = doing harm to others

runciter

12-11-2008, 10:51 AM

Today I went to a Satanic Cantonese class. "Why do you I call it Satanic," you might ask. "Because", I might answer.

Same thing with the article.

yes, if you use rothschildpedia "logic".

haukipesukone

12-11-2008, 10:58 AM

runciter

12-11-2008, 11:03 AM

Oh, basically we're arguing semantics here? Like my definition for Satanism is: a light blue beverage with a pinkish ranbowy umbrella on top. Whereas your definition is: a kind of whale with withered useless wings. It lives on the north pole under in a gazebo.

Here I am being silly and thought Satan means Adversary (in Hebrew or something). And usually the Adversary is used to refer to the adversary of Yahveh.

i think it would be more reasonable to call "satanism" a hidden cult whose aim is the destruction or enslavement of mankind, and to consider "satan" the adversary of ordinary people and of every living creature.

haukipesukone

12-11-2008, 11:20 AM

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=s&p=4

Satan
proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, O.E. Satan, from L.L. Satan (in Vulgate, in O.T. only), from Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary." In Septuagint (Gk.) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," lit. "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.
"In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity." [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]
Satanic "pertaining to Satan" is first recorded 1667 (in "Paradise Lost"); meaning "diabolical" is from 1793. Satanism "worship of Satan" dates from 1896, with ref. to France, where it was said to be active at that time; Satanist is attested from 1559, applied by their enemies to Protestant sects.

According to this Satan is not adversial to Yahveh, rather working for him. That's even more reason not call satanism a hidden cult, unless you acknowledge that the Judeo-Christian god is plotting against us. I find that a very plausible scenario, but I don't know do you.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-Satan.html
Satan
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology

Satan the Devil. OE. — late L. Satān (Vulg.) — Gr. Satán — Heb. śātān adversary, plotter, f. sāatan oppose, plot against.
Hence satanic XVII, satanical, Satanism, Satanist XVI.

i think it would be more reasonable to call "satanism" a hidden cult whose aim is the destruction or enslavement of mankind, and to consider "satan" the adversary of ordinary people and of every living creature.

I can't just ignore etymology. Satan is something that's adversial to the Judeo-Christian god. Either just the concept of being against the aforementioned "god", or a distinct entity that opposes said "god". Or Satan is an entity sent by the Judeo-Christian god to hinder humanity.

I assume Satanism is derived from the word Satan. I find no evidence of any "hidden cult" unless you are referring to Judaism or Christianity. Are you?

runciter

12-11-2008, 11:27 AM

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=s&p=4

According to this Satan is not adversial to Yahveh, rather working for him. That's even more reason not call satanism a hidden cult, unless you acknowledge that the Judeo-Christian god is plotting against us. I find that a very plausible scenario, but I don't know do you.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-Satan.html

I can't just ignore etymology. Satan is something that's adversial to the Judeo-Christian god. Either just the concept of being against the aforementioned "god", or a distinct entity that opposes said "god". Or Satan is an entity sent by the Judeo-Christian god to hinder humanity.

I assume Satanism is derived from the word Satan. I find no evidence of any "hidden cult" unless you are referring to Judaism or Christianity. Are you?

"god" is the universe itself, you can call it "tao", it's the invisible and omnipresent energy that keeps everything alive and moving.. whoever/whatever works against this infinite intelligence is the adversary, i.e. satan.

drael

12-11-2008, 01:17 PM

runciter

12-11-2008, 01:31 PM

With the elite, the term "satanism" IMO is inaccurate to history, which extends way back before monotheism. The left hand path extends back into ancient history past such metaphysical beleifs.

Still, pick fights you can win. Satanist exponents will not bend on reason.

i think nwo history started in 1666 (!), with the apostasy of sabbetai zevi.

the rothschilds are sabbetai's direct descendants, the messianic bloodline..

haukipesukone

12-11-2008, 03:09 PM

"god" is the universe itself, you can call it "tao", it's the invisible and omnipresent energy that keeps everything alive and moving.. whoever/whatever works against this infinite intelligence is the adversary, i.e. satan.

To me Satan and Satanism are a part of the Judeo-Christian dogma. Therefore I would not call the NWO, Illuminati or THEM Satanists.

I could call myself a Satanist, because I am against the Judeo-Christian god.

The Tao is not intelligent, nor has it any adversary.

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 03:24 PM

its hard for christians to understand what Satan really is because to them he is in everything that does not compliment the bible.... Lucifer... Horus.... Prometheus.... baphomet... Pan ..... and many more....

I mean how many fucking Satan's are there?? lol

it is simply a tag to label opposition.

for example, If I was to say I hate Jesus and think he is a bossy arse hole... I would have Satan in me... :)

If you do evil magick that does not mean you are working with satan either... it means you are evil and creating magick... and it can be worked in many ways... if you wanted you could use shreck or scoobi doo as the evil god...Literally.

The only real groups who openly worship a being called Satan are those that feel the oppression from the bible, so promote its enemy.... so they find liberation in worshipping Satan...

You see this in many rock n roll bands as well, and whey they all sound so free and great.

you only have to research the real origins of Satan and see how it has been taken and twisted and it actually means "To over come" ..

he was meant to have been thrown out of Heaven ...why? ... for not agreeing with the God the bible tells us of... that was his only crime.

the truth is, there is no Satan, it is a myth that has been infulenced by many situations and real or fake beings over time... Religion invented it. and even the use of it today is just a retaliation to the creation of it.

the bottom line is that acording to the bible its self, Satan was not meant to have created evil anyway.... because he to was meant to be a victim to it which turned him away from god... so what got inside him??

:rolleyes:

eternal_spirit

12-11-2008, 03:49 PM

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=s&p=4

According to this Satan is not adversial to Yahveh, rather working for him. That's even more reason not call satanism a hidden cult, unless you acknowledge that the Judeo-Christian god is plotting against us. I find that a very plausible scenario, but I don't know do you.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-Satan.html

I can't just ignore etymology. Satan is something that's adversial to the Judeo-Christian god. Either just the concept of being against the aforementioned "god", or a distinct entity that opposes said "god". Or Satan is an entity sent by the Judeo-Christian god to hinder humanity.

I assume Satanism is derived from the word Satan. I find no evidence of any "hidden cult" unless you are referring to Judaism or Christianity. Are you?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33582

runciter

12-11-2008, 04:22 PM

To me Satan and Satanism are a part of the Judeo-Christian dogma.
Therefore I would not call the NWO, Illuminati or THEM Satanists.

I could call myself a Satanist, because I am against the Judeo-Christian god.

if you're against christians you are against me, because i am a christian.

The Tao is not intelligent, nor has it any adversary.

isn't the universe intelligent? aren't we free to act in a destructive way?

runciter

12-11-2008, 04:30 PM

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 04:31 PM

if your belief system justifies cruelties against other creatures, you're a satanist.

In your world maybe :)

For me it would simply mean you are an arse hole... and not all Arse holes are Satanist's.... :rolleyes:

runciter

12-11-2008, 04:39 PM

In your world maybe :)

For me it would simply mean you are an arse hole... and not all Arse holes are Satanist's.... :rolleyes:

satan is a metaphor for cruelty and sadism, from my point of view.

lizzy

12-11-2008, 04:44 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33582
hi ES ;)
good transcripts...:)

lizzy

12-11-2008, 04:56 PM

satan is a metaphor for cruelty and sadism, from my point of view.

I agree......satan /lucifer to me are still the same demon in a different dress...

there are so many freemasons (lucerfarians), satanists, occultists', crowleyites, ect who promote de-based values that the UN's one world religion is working towards , one wonders why there get so much protection here........

runciter

12-11-2008, 05:31 PM

armoured_amazon

12-11-2008, 05:36 PM

rhydra

12-11-2008, 05:50 PM

I don't believe in Satan, there is, in my view, no such thing as the personification of evil, not a big fella with horns and red skin. The only evil beings are those who choose to act completely selfishly and don't care how many people they hurt in the process. Yet they probably don't think they are evil, they probably think that they are justified in what they are doing.

There is probably an energy that surrounds us on mnay levels which can be tapped into that some may see as evil or negative, that is probably just that, an energy which can be utilised for whatever reason. A sword can be used for "good" or "evil," it is in fact a piece of metal which is neither but an inert tool to be used for whatever purpose it was designed for.

I wouldn't recommend messing about with such energies though as perhaps they could be too difficult to handle for someone who is not used to them or doesn't exactly know what they are doing.

That's just my theory anyway, I could be right, I could just as well be wrong.

:cool:

armoured_amazon

12-11-2008, 06:26 PM

rhydra

12-11-2008, 06:58 PM

Aye! It was the first thing that came into my head though, the popular version of the devil himself which I assume many people will see in their mind's eye when they imagine the devil. :)

armoured_amazon

12-11-2008, 07:02 PM

Aye! It was the first thing that came into my head though, the popular version of the devil himself which I assume many people will see in their mind's eye when they imagine the devil. :)

Hehe :)

runciter

12-11-2008, 07:11 PM

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Star-Wars--Episode-I-The-Phantom-Menace-Poster-C12886819.jpeg

1999, a crucial year

333 years after 1666

the sabbatean menace

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai1.gif http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai2.gif http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai3.gif

In 1666, Jewish Messianic contender, Shabbatai Tzvi,was imprisoned by the Turkish sultan and given a choice. Convert to Islam or die. After three days, Shabbetai Tzvi decided to convert to Islam. After his apostasy, most of his supporters labeled him an imposter and rejected him. His conversion, however, had a positive impact on many Jews around the world who went into hiding after the Spanish expulsion of 1492. Marranos, Conversos, Crypto-Jews, et. al., maintained their devotion to Shabbetai Tzvi. Tzvi's decision to convert actually strengthened their allegiance to him. Together with the remnant of Tzvi's Jewish adherents, these messianic followers would form an underground network and secretly continue to advance Shabbatai Tzvi’s mission. Through infiltration, stealth and cunning this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Tzvi's death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry. Based upon the Noachide laws of the Talmud, Freemasonry allowed the Sabbatean sympathizers to live an elite yet mystical and meaningful life working towards the establishment of a one-world government based upon the Universal Yahwehism preached by Shabbetai Tzvi and his followers particularly Jacob Frank. Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry formed in 1776, known as the Illuminati. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the French and American revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the Cult of the All-Seeing Eye (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere. Everywhere where there is power. They are the good guys AND the bad guys. (...)

"When war erupts in the world, you will know and understand why I came to this world."
--Saying from the Book of the Words of the Lord Jacob Frank, The Militant Messiah

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai.html

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http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai1.gif

Was the 17th Century Jewish Messiah, Shabbetai Tzvi, really an impostor as history would have us believe? He was acknowledged and proclaimed to be the Messiah by Nathan of Gaza,the only authentic, recognized Jewish prophet in the past 2500 years. He was accepted as the Messiah by the vast majority of World Jewry, that is, until he consented to convert to Islam when threatened with death by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Shabbatai Tzvi understood the conversion to be a sign from G-d that he needed to take his mission underground. In a letter to his brother he wrote, "G-d has made me a Turk."

Do people have the power to reject a messiah?

Did Shabtai Tzvi's "conversion" to Islam render him a messianic impostor or were those that rejected Shabbetai Tzvi rendered infidels with their rejection?

Did Shabbetai Tzvi have offspring? Yes. Where are they now? Where is this Messianic Dynasty? Have they vanished into obscurity? History leaves us no clues. Or does it? Perhaps Shabbatai did succeed in his messianic takeover of the planet. Perhaps his offspring did manage to fulfill the mission of their prophet-proclaimed Messiah father? I suggest that the family Rothschild are direct descendents of the messiah, Shabbatai Tzvi. Shabbatai Tzvi said that he would rebuild Israel. The Rothschilds did. He said that he would re-unite the lost tribes that had been spread out throughout the world. Has this been accomplished through the United Nations? Is the UN a project of hidden Rothschild influence designed to bring world peace? A Rothschild-Shabbatai Tzvi connection would also explain the Rothschilds' relationship to the mystical Jacob Frank, a co-creator of the Illuminati, who claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbetai Tzvi. It would also explain the Rothschilds strange obsession with their bloodline and their custom of intermarrying amongst themselves. Was this practice determined to keep the royal messianic blood from assimilation? A Rothschildian/Messianic relationship would also explain their lavish and opulent lifestyle. Why shouldn't the direct descendants of the messiah live within the finest palaces on Earth?

It should therefore come as no surprise that there is a strong family resemblance between Shabbatai Tzvi and the Family Rothschild.

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http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai_rothschild.html

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 07:38 PM

I agree......satan /lucifer to me are still the same demon in a different dress...

there are so many freemasons (lucerfarians), satanists, occultists', crowleyites, ect who promote de-based values that the UN's one world religion is working towards , one wonders why there get so much protection here........

Lizzy having another dogmatic dig, lol...., a person who has been posting Alan Watt stuff here for over a year, trying to urge people to see Icke as a person who works for the very people you have listed and you still complain about your treatment.

With that mind set you have, then one should also wonder why there are a load of Christians here using ickes forum to push there oppressive judgemental religion and a passionate A Watt worshipper in your self offering them all the support she can, religion that has blindly assisted the illuminati for many many years, that also are behind books such as the bible we all know so well... a book that Icke has clearly expressed his distrust in.

Then again hypocrisy is something you seem to support very passionately...

you point the finger more than anyone here Lizzy Lizzard.... and we all know it was what inspired you to create a user name here.

xpleet

12-11-2008, 07:47 PM

Satanismus is not a belief system, it is literally a representation of the dark side.

The idea of Satanism is that "do what you want and don't care about anyone else, for man is no different than the wild animal".
It is an excuse and refuge for darkened occultists and magicians.

If you feel that Darkness is in your heart then go ahead and join the church of Satan, certainly there is no real excuse for what Satanism is but be sure that it is the path to your own eternal demise.

runciter

12-11-2008, 08:12 PM

With that mind set you have, then one should also wonder why there are a load of Christians here using ickes forum to push there oppressive judgemental religion and a passionate A Watt worshipper in your self offering them all the support she can, religion that has blindly assisted the illuminati for many many years, that also are behind books such as the bible we all know so well... a book that Icke has clearly expressed his distrust in.

Then again hypocrisy is something you seem to support very passionately...

looks like you're giving indirect support to zionist and masonic nwo deceivers.

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 08:14 PM

looks like you're giving indirect support to zionist and masonic nwo deceivers.

well then take your goggles off then.

armoured_amazon

12-11-2008, 08:16 PM

amethyst

12-11-2008, 08:17 PM

Satan is/was a REPTILE like being.

And all people who follow him like to do snakey things too.

runciter

12-11-2008, 08:24 PM

more on the year 1999:

1999

March 31, 1999 - Start of The Matrix

May 17 - Ehud Barak is elected prime minister of Israel.

May 26 - Manchester United wins the UEFA Champions League at the Nou Camp stadium, Barcelona, beating Bayern Munich.

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Manchester_United_Red_Devils_White_Shirt.jpg

The Red Devils reach the top.

May 28 - After 22 years of restoration work, Leonardo de Vinci’s "The Last Supper" is placed back on display in Milan, Italy.

June 1 - Napster debuts.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/n/Napster/sq-2003-napster-logo.jpg

June 12 - Texas Governor George W. Bush announces he will seek the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States.

http://www.whale.to/b/uqueen.jpg

June 18 - The J18 international anti-globalization protests are organized in dozens of cities around the world,and some of which lead to riots.

http://www.emergency.com/1999/j18polic.jpg

July 16 - Off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, a plane piloted by John F. Kennedy Jr. crashes, killing him and his wife Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and her sister Lauren Bessette.

July 20 - Mercury program: Liberty Bell 7 is raised from the Atlantic Ocean.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/5/57/150px-Project_Mercury_Pad14.jpg

August 9 - Russian President Boris Yeltsin fires his Prime Minister, Sergei Stepashin, and for the fourth time fires his entire cabinet.

http://www.gothard.hu/observatory/images/tse1999.jpg

August 11 - A total solar eclipse is seen in Europe and Asia.

October 12 - Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif attempts to dismiss Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf and install ISI director Ziauddin Butt in his place. Senior Army generals refuse to accept the dismissal. Musharraf, who was out of the country, attempts to return in a commercial airliner. Sharif orders the Karachi airport to not allow the plane to land. The generals lead a coup d'état, ousting Sharif's administration and taking over the airport. The plane lands with only a few minutes of fuel to spare, and Musharraf takes control of the government.

October 12 - World population reached 6 billion people, as the six billionth person (according to the UN) is born in Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina.

http://www.geography.learnontheinternet.co.uk/images/popn/world_pop.gif

October 31 - Roman Catholic Church and Lutheran Church leaders sign the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, ending a centuries-old doctrinal dispute over the nature of faith and salvation.

November 30 - Exxonmobil Corporation merger was completed, and formed the largest company in the world.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us~exmob.gif

December 31 - Boris Yeltsin resigns as President of Russia, leaving Prime Minister Vladimir Putin as the acting President.

December 31st 1999...

THE GOLDEN CAP

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3786580/2/istockphoto_3786580-golden-pyramid-with-hieroglyphs-on-a-white-background.jpg

HELLS PUPPETS

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050224/050224_bush_putin_hmed12p.h2.jpg

End of Days (1999): The film involves Satan's plot to conquer the earth on New Year's Eve of '99

to be continued...

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 10:14 PM

Satan is/was a REPTILE like being.

And all people who follow him like to do snakey things too.

then where did God find a reptile being to use as one of his angels?

thirdwave

12-11-2008, 10:20 PM

I agree. :)

Quoted for truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 04:44 AM

What if the gods are gods of our own creating,
the demons illusions of our own making?

The God of Judaism, Christianity and Islaam is supposed to be all-loving and compassionate and yet "he" kills people for minor mistakes and anything seen to be disobedient. If "he" was indeed as loving as he claimed to be, than that doesn't make any sense to any rational thinker. "He" is also pleased when people sacrifice innocent animals to him. Oh, how loving....I'm sure the animal is happy to have its throat slit. :rolleyes:

Buddhism seems to be the closest to the truth, in my opinion. At least the teachings are which aren't dogmatic....that is what Buddha intended originally. He didn't go on about God and Satan....as far as I am aware.

I have a sneaking suspicion that tptb have an agenda now to get more people to convert to Islaam to create an incentive for them to gather together for holy war, and of course war is perceived as ritual sacrifice to tptb, so any way they can divide and rule will please them. Especially by using mind control religions which have proven to be effective since children have it drummed into them from such an early age.

I wish that more people would wake up and smell the bullshit, but as long as we go on believing it, we will perpetuate suffering with our own schizophrenic beliefs in good and evil, like a dog chasing its own tail, when really we should be turning inward to gain a deep understanding of ourselves and others, with a psychological approach into how we evolve and why we behave the way we do. That is the only way we can master "the shadow self". It would teach us not only to love ourselves more but to love others more and the world would gradually become a more compassionate place.

Blessed are the squeamish. :D

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 06:09 AM

Still, pick fights you can win. Satanist exponents will not bend on reason.

Seems like it. I wanted to know if I had understoond the word Satanism the wrong way. I guess I hadn't.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33582

Interesting. Still just one guy's version of things. I don't like how they label Set.

if you're against christians you are against me, because i am a christian.

Are you the Judeo-Christian god?

isn't the universe intelligent? aren't we free to act in a destructive way?
I have no idea how those two things are supposed to fit together.

What's your definition of intelligent?

Satanismus is not a belief system, it is literally a representation of the dark side.

The idea of Satanism is that "do what you want and don't care about anyone else, for man is no different than the wild animal".
It is an excuse and refuge for darkened occultists and magicians.

Aren't you the expert on Satanism.

It's like if I said Christianity a ruse coined to fool people into giving away their individuality, because they are afraid. Thus telling them they will be saved if they become willing sheep. Basically, people call themselves Christian only if they are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives.

If you feel that Darkness is in your heart then go ahead and join the church of Satan, certainly there is no real excuse for what Satanism is but be sure that it is the path to your own eternal demise.

The Church of Satan has nothing to do with Satanism. It's just some funny little club Lavey invented to Jew money out of the rich and the bored.

And eternal demise sounds nice.

Satan is/was a REPTILE like being.

And all people who follow him like to do snakey things too.

What are you basing that on? If you mean the snake in the garden of Eden, it isn't mentioned in the Bible that the Snake is Satan, or is it?

What if the gods are gods of our own creating,
the demons illusions of our own making?

The God of Judaism, Christianity and Islaam is supposed to be all-loving and compassionate and yet "he" kills people for minor mistakes and anything seen to be disobedient. If "he" was indeed as loving as he claimed to be, than that doesn't make any sense to any rational thinker. "He" is also pleased when people sacrifice innocent animals to him. Oh, how loving....I'm sure the animal is happy to have its throat slit. :rolleyes:

Buddhism seems to be the closest to the truth, in my opinion. At least the teachings are which aren't dogmatic....that is what Buddha intended originally. He didn't go on about God and Satan....as far as I am aware.

I have a sneaking suspicion that tptb have an agenda now to get more people to convert to Islaam to create an incentive for them to gather together for holy war, and of course war is perceived as ritual sacrifice to tptb, so any way they can divide and rule will please them. Especially by using mind control religions which have proven to be effective since children have it drummed into them from such an early age.

I wish that more people would wake up and smell the bullshit, but as long as we go on believing it, we will perpetuate suffering with our own schizophrenic beliefs in good and evil, like a dog chasing its own tail, when really we should be turning inward to gain a deep understanding of ourselves and others, with a psychological approach into how we evolve and why we behave the way we do. That is the only way we can master "the shadow self". It would teach us not only to love ourselves more but to love others more and the world would gradually become a more compassionate place.

Blessed are the squeamish. :D

Maybe the basic beliefs of Buddhism are closer to the truth than other religions, but I've seen enough golden buddha idols not to think much of the contemporary secular version of buddhism.

A Jungian reference? I like.

Back to Satan. Wasn't Satan created by God? God is omnipotent and omniscient, so God wanted to make Satan the he turned out to be. So if you think God is good, there's no reason to fear Satan, because it's part of God's plan to have the "opposing" force.

Either that or it's the opposame ruse by God and Satan. Like Obama and McCain, Bush and Kerry.

By the way the Tao is "above" God and Satan. They too are "governed" by Tao. You might say they are the major forces that make Tao happen.

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 08:55 AM

Back to Satan. Wasn't Satan created by God? God is omnipotent and omniscient, so God wanted to make Satan the he turned out to be. So if you think God is good, there's no reason to fear Satan, because it's part of God's plan to have the "opposing" force.

Either that or it's the opposame ruse by God and Satan. Like Obama and McCain, Bush and Kerry.

Yeah, I have thought of that. It sounds likely....that's if these "gods" exist in the first place.....but they are probably only illusions/ thought forms....either that, or the scriptures are just the account of other races who manipulated humans, which became distorted into religious beliefs.

runciter

13-11-2008, 09:06 AM

Are you the Judeo-Christian god?

the angry yahweh is not my god, i'm a follower of jesus' teachings..

I have no idea how those two things are supposed to fit together.

What's your definition of intelligent?

do you consider yourself intelligent? aren't you part of the universe?

armoured_amazon

13-11-2008, 09:21 AM

The God of Judaism, Christianity and Islaam is supposed to be all-loving and compassionate and yet "he" kills people for minor mistakes and anything seen to be disobedient. If "he" was indeed as loving as he claimed to be, than that doesn't make any sense to any rational thinker. "He" is also pleased when people sacrifice innocent animals to him. Oh, how loving....I'm sure the animal is happy to have its throat slit. :rolleyes:

Um, firstly, the god of Islam and the God of the Jews are not the same being. Secondly, I don't know where you get the idea of animal sacrifice because us Christians do not sacrifice animals to God, that is an OT practice.

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 11:14 AM

Yeah, I have thought of that. It sounds likely....that's if these "gods" exist in the first place.....but they are probably only illusions/ thought forms....either that, or the scriptures are just the account of other races who manipulated humans, which became distorted into religious beliefs.

I wouldn't use the word illusion, maybe just because it's over-used. But I think God and Satan represent opposing forces that are needed in this universe. Basic Yin and Yang stuff.

I think the Yin ang Yang theory is an older form of the Theory of Relativity.

the angry yahweh is not my god, i'm a follower of jesus' teachings..

I didn't ask who was your god, I asked are you the Judeo-Christian god.

do you consider yourself intelligent? aren't you part of the universe?

Sometimes I wonder... and sometimes I wish I wasn't a part of the universe.

If there's one intelligent guy swimming in the sea, it doesn't make the whole sea intelligent.

Um, firstly, the god of Islam and the God of the Jews are not the same being. Secondly, I don't know where you get the idea of animal sacrifice because us Christians do not sacrifice animals to God, that is an OT practice.

I think it depends on who you ask about the two gods. Are they same or not.

Isn't the Old Testament a part of Christian beliefs?
Hmm, but this thread wasn't about Christianity, it was about Satanism.

runciter

13-11-2008, 11:24 AM

I didn't ask who was your god, I asked are you the Judeo-Christian god.

i didn't tell you who is my god, but whose teachings i follow..

Sometimes I wonder... and sometimes I wish I wasn't a part of the universe.

If there's one intelligent guy swimming in the sea, it doesn't make the whole sea intelligent.

do you understand the difference between energy and matter?

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 01:50 PM

What if the gods are gods of our own creating,
the demons illusions of our own making?

well said, and very true....

the whole thing about God has clearly come from people years ago that have come down from the sky and who are far more powerful than we were, so were seen as Gods.... what ever they were.

they understood reality more than we did.

there has clearly been an ignorance left in us at some stage as any other animal has a conciousness that is suited to what they are.... but humans have a conciousness that seems to need more than what we are.

now, its very likely that there are beings in another dimension's or what ever you want to call it, and maybe these beings are negative and some are not... but to think that there is one big bogi man there waiting for us and is the cause of all the worlds pain and suffering is IMO pure stupidity...

this is why I feel David Icke's theory of the reptilians being there is far more accurate.. and even they could be a creation of our own minds.

so are the reptiles "Satan"? .. well why? ... Satan was one of Gods angels... he was not a reptile.... then he was booted out of heaven for pissing god off and the next thing we know, he is a reptile type being..... and then he was Lucifer which was the morning star as Jesus and Horus was....

So its clearly not a "person" or "being" but a symbolic word.

Its likely that "satan" in the bible refers to reptilian beings that tempted man kind to allow them to lead them.... the snake tempting Eve..... this also compliments an African belief who they refer to as the Chitauri..

it is not littoral people, and the whole Satan thing is a symbolic word that has been also used by the bible to create opposition and fear... making out anything we do wrong means they are going to come and get us.... when not everything it tells you is wrong is wrong as such... it does not take into accounts our instincts and all of our true nature... it simply makes out we are savage animals that need telling.

for example, if boys want to get into a fight at the bike sheds at school, then ordering them to stop will not make them stop, it was make them more hungry and they will do it elsewhere with probably more aggression..... giving them some boxing gloves and telling them to go to the gym and dinner time and fight with a ref there which would be safer.

this is the kind of thing I'm talking about... the bible does not nurture.. it bullies... its like a really bad parent.

what ever people say, it is US that create good and bad, it is US who have to learn the values of being good and being bad.....

Believing in Jesus might make people feel rapped nice and warm, but its not going to change the weather or change the fact its so cold.

Also what is often misunderstood is magick.... and interacting with "gods" ..... you could say that most magick is about mind programming.... it is about being disciplined in physical and mental exercises to create new reality's and to explore beyond our physical bodies and realities....

the Gods used are just images, energies, to manifest such things.... it is not always a case of contacting other living beings... and there is not a "being" called Satan..... although many people might use the Satan vibration to create a negative energy to use ..... you could use Hitler if you wanted.... summon Hitler.... would that be summoning Satan?

I mean think about it, do people really think with all the many many people in magick some almighty powerful being in the whole universe comes to there beck and call all the time?

it just takes a little bit of logical thinking and the funny thing is it is all ways the "sceptical" people who fall for it.... if its positive and good then its a hoax or a trick by Satan..... if its negative and dangerous then its real and Satan on his way....

Take Crowley, he know how the bible was written and that it was not real and he knew what it was trying to make people do..... so when he wrote counter christian things in the same manner as the bible, he was branded as Satan! :)

"with his eagle head he pecks out the eyes of Jesus hanging on the cross" .... and so on....
if you look at how the bible and its way of expressing its self speaks... then if you look at Crowley's speak then you will see what he is saying is Fuck that bull shit!... he is only speaking the same way but countering what God was ordering people.... and it is in fact a very powerful statement to make full of truth. especially at the time!... was it ok for God to use violent and intimidating words to express the power God has over us.... but not ok for somone to use them to express how little it means to him? .. he knew the bible was an occult book.

Religion is bullying.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 01:52 PM

Um, firstly, the god of Islam and the God of the Jews are not the same being. Secondly, I don't know where you get the idea of animal sacrifice because us Christians do not sacrifice animals to God, that is an OT practice.

I think her point was they are all as bad as eachother, as the texts show. Not that she felt they were all the same being.... (correct me if I'm wrong LISW)

as for the animal stuff, just more biased hog wash from you again....

The thing is Its odd how you have come to the conclusion that Jesus opposed the teachings of the Old T... which you you may well choose to brush off but never the less.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Hebrews 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

and all kinds of other nasty shit.
Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Just because there is less ridiculous garbage in the N Test, than the O Test, it does not mean its any better, just updated... given a bit of a spring clean.

runciter

13-11-2008, 02:10 PM

Religion is bullying.

you're helping the sabbateans in their desperate anti-christian struggle.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 02:28 PM

you're helping the sabbateans in their desperate anti-christian struggle.

Im not helping them I am pointing out facts.... blatant facts.

And what makes you think I am worried about anti christian movements? they dont bother me as I am not caught up in that illusion. and I am not going to defend ignorance in any way shape or form...

I would object to christians being forced not to think how they do, But I have no problem at all with movements that look to expose the crap within it and to put that info out....

Christianity judges everyone else so why cant it have a judge?

Do you think there should be a war about it?

who is taking your faith away?? ... how can this anti christian struggle harm you?

The Elite are not afraid of Jesus Christ.... he is their scare crow they put up them selves, but you are right, I bet you they are thinking they hammered him in to tight... and the bugger wont come out!

I will say, I guess if the elite are looking to take the Jesus Christ hard drive out and put another in, which they will no doubt be thinking about, then I guess all the christians kicking up a fuss will at least be making a nuisance of them selves which I guess is a positive way of looking at it..

runciter

13-11-2008, 02:38 PM

Im not helping them I am pointing out facts.... blatant facts.

illuminati psychos are waging war against mankind, this is the blatant fact.

but you're fighting against christians, not against zionist & masonic robots.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 02:48 PM

illuminati psychos are waging war against mankind, this is the blatant fact.

No, thay have WAGED War on mankiand and have been fighting it for a very very long time. Just because you have all of a sudden smelt a bit of poop it does not mean its only just started!

but you're fighting against christians, not against zionist & masonic robots.

on here Im not fighting anything, Im sitting at work chatting on the icke forum...

On here I like to talk about the problems in the world...solutions and pas son my education and look for more.

The reason I have been very much drawn into Christian debates (which to be honest I enjoy) is because many christians are coming here puking out a load of tripe that the NWO is about crushing Christianity...

This is the ignorance that needs to be highlighted and where people need to waken from.... the idea that you think the "Illuminati" are out to bring down Christianity is actually cosmical. Now I agree they have given up on it and are no where NEAR as defensive of it as they used to be over the years, but this is clearly because the masses simply don't buy it.... they know its a scam... go and ask the masses...do a survey! .... this is why the elite are happy to see it pass by, they need NEW fear.... they need NEW lies..... they need a NEW NEW Testament. Wake up!.... Be a good person with out Jesus, I dare you!.

Or do what you like, like I say, if christianity keeps you above water then good for you, but why does the rest of the world need to know about it?? ... why are you telling me I cant be good with out Christ??? .. you say I need Christ, I say Christ can go stick a Mellon up his arse! ... but feel free to befriend him for all eternity!

the real question is, why are you spending all your time defending a silly faith rather than telling people about the real provable truths out there?

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 02:54 PM

illuminati psychos are waging war against mankind, this is the blatant fact.

but you're fighting against christians, not against zionist & masonic robots.

You seem to have a victim mentality. First you say I'm against you when I said I'm against the Judeo-Christian god. (And you evaded my questions anyway.)

Now this.

I try to judge people as individuals. Not part of any group. It's not as if all so called Christians are against the NWO.

runciter

13-11-2008, 03:01 PM

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 03:06 PM

You seem to have a victim mentality. First you say I'm against you when I said I'm against the Judeo-Christian god. (And you evaded my questions anyway.)

Now this.

I try to judge people as individuals. Not part of any group. It's not as if all so called Christians are against the NWO.

their argument is ...get this...

"any true christian, would not support a NWO"

and you see what this does is it makes Christianity perfect... because oif a christian turns into an arse hole... them BOOM!, he is not a real christian!

its a great fail safe.

but of course all evil Jews and evil Muslims promote how wrong their faith is.

and get this!, apparently the elite are trying to get rid of it!!

although... the Muslims would disagree that Christianity is being attacked... and the Christians would disagree that the Muslims are under attack.... and the jews would think they are under attack andf the rest are not.......

it must be such hard work for the elite, they must be so desperate to rid the world of it... after all what use is it to them?

Hmmm?

all for what?.. so people can have some magic cotton socks that makes them feel like they are good.

:eek:

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 03:08 PM

i said that if you have a problem with christianity you have a problem with me.

I have a problem with Christianity (Religion) but not with you.... only if you stood in my path attempting to pull me on yours would I have a big problem with you... until then I am happy to make you a cup of tea and tell you how full of it you are :)

runciter

13-11-2008, 03:11 PM

their argument is ...get this...

"any true christian, would not support a NWO"

my argument is:

you're fighting against christians,

not against zionists and masons.

why?

runciter

13-11-2008, 03:18 PM

the idea that you think the "Illuminati" are out to bring down Christianity is actually cosmical.

they want your soul.

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 04:27 PM

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/D...leContents.htm
http://www.evilbible.com/

Here's a book which is meant to be great:

http://www.picknettprince.com/books/secrethistoryoflucifer/lucifer-cover_uk.jpg

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 04:36 PM

Um, firstly, the god of Islam and the God of the Jews are not the same being. Secondly, I don't know where you get the idea of animal sacrifice because us Christians do not sacrifice animals to God, that is an OT practice.

The Qur'an is very similar to the Bible. The god of the Old Testament asked people to sacrifice animals. I also no longer believe that it was necessary for Jesus to "die for our sins"....such a bloody, brutal death. Evil= the falling of the illusion into separateness causing cruelty; a self perpetuating dimension of suffering. Love= unity/ "oneness". When we love someone we wish for their joy and happiness. Therefore an all-loving god cannot be the cruel, punishing god portrayed in the Bible. Evil is no more than the forgetting of who we really are....that we are one and that to hurt another is to hurt yourself. Spirituality= tuning into the connectedness of all things. Therefore, guilt and punishment are not necessary, at least not to the psychotic extent that we see in religion and in the world today. Infinite love is the only truth- everything else is illusion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_7X3FoDYIw

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 04:48 PM

my argument is:

you're fighting against christians,

not against zionists and masons.

why?

Well who is promoting Freemasonry and Zionism here? and I will be happy to point out their faults as well... I believe a couple Freemason threads have come about with people simply defending the fact that not all Freemasons are supporting a NWO and that's about it...

point me where where Zionists are here telling us they will save the world?

point me out where Freemasons are saying Freemasonry will save the world?

I have not started one thread about christianity...I have just provided opposition to the bible thumping here.

I spent weeks defending Crowley who was the first person to raise the flag about Zionism... and the ignorance and evil within occult movements like the freemasons... and I was called evil for doing so .. So I don't bother as much now.

and also Zionism is more a political movement and it goes so much more deeper than just that.... you are seeing it from your narrow religious goggles..... Zionism is just a branch.... like I say, wake up.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 04:50 PM

they want your soul.

well thanks for reminding me....

I have managed to keep tabs on it, and have done so with out your lord.

I might not be as perfect as you christians, but then again would you trust me if I was?

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 04:51 PM

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1340/jesus_in_india.htm

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/buddha2.jpg

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 04:51 PM

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 05:00 PM

The Qur'an is very similar to the Bible. The god of the Old Testament asked people to sacrifice animals. I also no longer believe that it was necessary for Jesus to "die for our sins"....such a bloody, brutal death. Evil= the falling of the illusion into separateness causing cruelty; a self perpetuating dimension of suffering. Love= unity/ "oneness". When we love someone we wish for their joy and happiness. Therefore an all-loving god cannot be the cruel, punishing god portrayed in the Bible. Evil is no more than the forgetting of who we really are....that we are one and that to hurt another is to hurt yourself. Spirituality= tuning into the connectedness of all things. Therefore, guilt and punishment are not necessary, at least not to the psychotic extent that we see in religion and in the world today. Infinite love is the only truth- everything else is illusion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_7X3FoDYIw

Yep, why would such a wise and loving god need to teach and spread his word through such a horrible and gruesome ordeal.... (in fact, listen to me!?...what's all this HIS business??? ..since when has it been confirmed that the creator is a HE??? .. oh yeah its in the bible.)

the fact is that it is promoting violence to prove a point, but because it was "self sacrifice" it is ok, in that mind set its ok to devalue the self for others.... for some odd reason the self is not included.... that's the catch, its not about being unselfish its about loosing control of the self, when the self is happy i mean the real true self, then its very easy and enjoyable to be nice to others.

Christians can say the "real way of seeing Christ message is not about animal sacrifice and violence and so on, that's old Test.... that's corrupt text stuck in the New T .... that's people reading it wrong, not having the holy spirit with them as they read it" ....blah blah...... when THEIR VERY MAN JUSUS WAS A SACRIFICE TO GOD!!!... and a Very gruesome one at that.

I mean the mind control behind this stuff is actually amazing!!!

Im not sayin that every christians is fucked in the head and victimised ..... I actually most of us are to a point do to the oppression it has driven on humanity over the years.... but ok some christians might be safe enough here and now.... but for them to imply that its the worlds saviour and it is all under attack is just stupid.... why not just admit its their little friend that makes them feel safer in their zone... everyone's safe.

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:13 PM

Well who is promoting Freemasonry and Zionism here?

who is openly defending a criminal and inhuman system?

hey..

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:19 PM

well thanks for reminding me....

I have managed to keep tabs on it, and have done so with out your lord.

I might not be as perfect as you christians, but then again would you trust me if I was?

would you erase religion, if you could?

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 05:20 PM

i said that if you have a problem with christianity you have a problem with me.

Then I have a problem with you.

their argument is ...get this...

"any true christian, would not support a NWO"

and you see what this does is it makes Christianity perfect... because oif a christian turns into an arse hole... them BOOM!, he is not a real christian!

its a great fail safe.

Yeah, I've had conversations with Christians about the bad things Christianity has done, like the Crusades. They can easily say: It's the Catholic church, not true Christians.

Well, protestant, Catholic, whateverIlostcountandinterest, it's still Christian and the worship the same "God". So please keep track or your own before you keep accusing other of being a "Satanist".

Don't you get it? You're making them seem less significant if you label everyone who's a "bad guy" a Satanist.

I'm a language student. I can't sit idly by when you butcher language by calling every random thing Satanist. Please understand etymology. If you don't understand the etymology of your religion how can you claim to understand your religion?

You know the Bible was not written in English? It's a translation, so what you read in the Bible might not be "true", since translators make mistakes, willingly and accidentally.

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:22 PM

Then I have a problem with you.

so i have a problem simply because i consider myself a christian..

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 05:24 PM

so i have a problem simply because i consider myself a christian..

Oh no. Horribus morribus.

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:25 PM

I'm a language student. I can't sit idly by when you butcher language by calling every random thing Satanist. Please understand etymology. If you don't understand the etymology of your religion how can you claim to understand your religion?

oh please tell me what religion is, my anti-religious savant master.

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:30 PM

Oh no. Horribus morribus.

there's no need to be anti-christian.

lizzy

13-11-2008, 05:37 PM

illuminati psychos are waging war against mankind, this is the blatant fact.

but you're fighting against christians, not against zionist & masonic robots.

I think he works for the Lucis Trust, promoting the UN's one world lucerferian dogma, come to lalaland , play magick tricks have fun....:D

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 05:43 PM

oh please tell me what religion is, my anti-religious savant master.

Religion? What's this got to do with the meaning of religion?

I was talking about Satanism and it's etymological meaning.

Also the Bible consists of language. Before one goes believing in the Bible one should know what it says (although I don't know if you believe in the Bible). And I would say that one should know what the original Bible says, instead of a translation, because there are bound to be differences.

Would you please even once, when you quote me, refer to what I said instead of something completely different. When trying to have an intellectual discussion it's very annoying, but actually I find it sort of attractive. Being so illogical and random. If only you were a pretty girl...

Alas I know the nature of the internet...

runciter

13-11-2008, 05:50 PM

Religion? What's this got to do with the meaning of religion?

I was talking about Satanism and it's etymological meaning.

you say you're against religion, but you want to explain religion.

haukipesukone

13-11-2008, 06:09 PM

you say you're against religion, but you want to explain religion.

What?

lostinstrangeworld

13-11-2008, 07:49 PM

I think you have a good point in this thread, haukipesukone. It's easy to blame all the evil in the world on Satan, but who is he, exactly? What is evil? Evil, in my opinion, is cruelty, But the god in the Bible and Qur'an is cruel also. So, if god is cruel, then is Satan the compassionate one? Personally I wouldn't trust either as they both seem to be in on it together!!

Do Satanists sacrifice animals and children? Some individual cults might, but from what I am aware, this is not what Satanism is about.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 07:55 PM

I think he works for the Lucis Trust, promoting the UN's one world lucerferian dogma, come to lalaland , play magick tricks have fun....:D

you think allot of silly unprovable baseless things, but it does not mean any of them are at all relevant does it?... like I say, you point the finger most little Mz Lizzard.

do tell about magick tricks though! ... you seem so knowledgeable ..so much so that there is no one better to teach the dangers of it ! :eek:

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 07:56 PM

who is openly defending a criminal and inhuman system?

hey..

You are.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 07:59 PM

would you erase religion, if you could?

No, I would erase the censorship that lies around it... and make sure that alternative info is made available to all.

lizzy

13-11-2008, 08:17 PM

do tell about magick tricks though! ... you seem so knowledgeable ..so much so that there is no one better to teach the dangers of it ! :eek:

Thirdway, my name is Elizabeth........how are the tarot cards going,(found out what your name is yet)..lol.

Thought you might appreciate some AW prose, that he makes up almost daily, ....he must be a sourcerer.........:D

"Century upon Century in the Making,
The Prize----The World for the Taking,
For 500 Years They Chipped Away,
At Competing Religions which Ruled the Day,
Above the Rubble a Crown is Lifted,
To Luciferian Doctrine, Creed of the Gifted,
The Lesser Man to Fade, Adieu,
While Self-Made Gods Strut Anew"

"Prometheus-Lucifer as Known to Some,
Brings Down to Man the Light of the Sun,
Fomenting a Plan so Brilliant with Light,
Those Who Serve are Bedazzled in Sight,
A Plan so Brutal, Oh What a Cost!
A Far Cry from Milton's Paradise Lost,
Yet Milton was a Brother Ma-Sonic,
His Verbal Gifts Birthed Pictures Symbolic"

"From Ancient Times, the Elites Do Know,
The Eugenic Agenda is the Way to Go,
You Can See its Branches through the Prisms,
Because All Their Forces End with Isms,
The Isms are All Points of Light,
They Believe in Power, that Might is Right,
Through DNA, They'll Create a Son,
The Deviant Creation, Shape of Things to Come"
---------------------
and for me........;)

Become Involved, Instead of Detaching,
Be Wise and Conscious, Instead of Reacting"

runciter

13-11-2008, 08:22 PM

You are.

no one can openly defend a criminal system, so they do it indirectly..

runciter

13-11-2008, 08:23 PM

No, I would erase the censorship that lies around it... and make sure that alternative info is made available to all.

for example: jesus was a real person, and you want to erase him from history.

lizzy

13-11-2008, 08:25 PM

no one can openly defend a criminal system, so they do it indirectly..

yes, partly in this newage sheep pen.;)

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 09:49 PM

there's no need to be anti-christian.

what ????

according to your religion i am working for the "anti christ".... what do you mean I don't need to be anti Christian?

you are the guys with the tags...

people who have inspired my self are seen as people who follow the anti christ, so please tell me how I dont need to be? ... by worshipping Jesus?

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 10:14 PM

no one can openly defend a criminal system, so they do it indirectly..

Yes they can, politicians do it all the time.

I do not indirectly, that is quite clear for all here to see, what you see is what you get. Pure and simple...

Im not defending the criminal system.. I am pointing out that YOU are supporting it.

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 10:16 PM

for example: jesus was a real person, and you want to erase him from history.

You THINK Jesus was a real person, the truth is that is a stupid comment as there was probebly 101 people called Jesus .... and there is no conclusive evideence the man in the bible lived...quite the opposit.

I do not want to erase something I do not believe was there, I am simply trying to clarify lies and deception.... and I have VERY CLEARY laid down enough info to make my point very relevent, you wish to brush it aside and uphold this invisible faith that YOU think is important.

How can I erase Jesus from History?

thirdwave

13-11-2008, 11:02 PM

Thirdway, my name is Elizabeth........how are the tarot cards going,(found out what your name is yet)..lol.

Thought you might appreciate some AW prose, that he makes up almost daily, ....he must be a sourcerer.........:D

"Century upon Century in the Making,
The Prize----The World for the Taking,
For 500 Years They Chipped Away,
At Competing Religions which Ruled the Day,
Above the Rubble a Crown is Lifted,
To Luciferian Doctrine, Creed of the Gifted,
The Lesser Man to Fade, Adieu,
While Self-Made Gods Strut Anew"

"Prometheus-Lucifer as Known to Some,
Brings Down to Man the Light of the Sun,
Fomenting a Plan so Brilliant with Light,
Those Who Serve are Bedazzled in Sight,
A Plan so Brutal, Oh What a Cost!
A Far Cry from Milton's Paradise Lost,
Yet Milton was a Brother Ma-Sonic,
His Verbal Gifts Birthed Pictures Symbolic"

"From Ancient Times, the Elites Do Know,
The Eugenic Agenda is the Way to Go,
You Can See its Branches through the Prisms,
Because All Their Forces End with Isms,
The Isms are All Points of Light,
They Believe in Power, that Might is Right,
Through DNA, They'll Create a Son,
The Deviant Creation, Shape of Things to Come"
---------------------
and for me........;)

Become Involved, Instead of Detaching,
Be Wise and Conscious, Instead of Reacting"

So we have more childish hog wash and and some more Worzil texts! ...

from the person who likes to tell people about being brainwashed.

Seeing as you are so quick to put others down and lable them for not being religious or beliving in its dogmas...

tell me what you know and understand about "Aton"... and the "morning star".... also seeing as you must be so clued up on "Prometheus" then also tell us what the score with Zeus??

but here is the tricky part... actually use your own brain!

Meaning dont off load the question with a load of irrelevant texts from people you worship .... Im talking about YOU, YOUR knowledge and understanding.

Its ok, take your time.

I get the feeling its gona take a while to get something like that out of you..

haukipesukone

14-11-2008, 04:47 AM

No, I would erase the censorship that lies around it... and make sure that alternative info is made available to all.

That's a beautiful idea.

lizzy

14-11-2008, 05:45 AM

runciter

14-11-2008, 09:13 AM

what ????

according to your religion i am working for the "anti christ".... what do you mean I don't need to be anti Christian?

you are the guys with the tags...

people who have inspired my self are seen as people who follow the anti christ, so please tell me how I dont need to be? ... by worshipping Jesus?

you are an anti-christian, according to me you are working against christians.

armoured_amazon

14-11-2008, 09:16 AM

you are an anti-christian, according to me you are working against christians.

And me.

runciter

14-11-2008, 09:17 AM

Yes they can, politicians do it all the time.

I do not indirectly, that is quite clear for all here to see, what you see is what you get. Pure and simple...

Im not defending the criminal system.. I am pointing out that YOU are supporting it.

this is a lie, the system is a zionist/masonic one, the cult of the "all-seeing eye".

runciter

14-11-2008, 09:20 AM

You THINK Jesus was a real person, the truth is that is a stupid comment as there was probebly 101 people called Jesus .... and there is no conclusive evideence the man in the bible lived...quite the opposit.

I do not want to erase something I do not believe was there, I am simply trying to clarify lies and deception.... and I have VERY CLEARY laid down enough info to make my point very relevent, you wish to brush it aside and uphold this invisible faith that YOU think is important.

How can I erase Jesus from History?

you're trying to convince people that he didn't exist, he's an obstacle for you.

runciter

14-11-2008, 09:22 AM

That's a beautiful idea.

yes, the ministry of truth, presieded by lord thirdwave.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 12:28 PM

thirdway.......
had this before have'nt we

eerrrr no.

,LOL.ok i'll keep it short......aton in the morning star ..the eygptian sun god..... Well Aton has not been referred to as the morning star... its is a disk that represented the sun... so at least you got the sun part right.

zeus the greek sun god who had prometheus killed for giving fire to the masses,lol.(can't go giving secrets' away tot he sheeple).....

ahhh well thats an amazing bit of incite there Lizzy the Lizzard! ... now you have told me that Prometheus is Lucifer... now, give me some incite on Zeus, you have made no secret to blabber on and on about how evil anything to do with Lucifer is...satan...yadda yadda..... blabber blabber, but you never really show any real study, just very opinionated.... So if Promenthuis is Lucifer, then what did he do wrong?... and who was Zeus.... who was the bad guy? ... and why did Hercules save him??... or should we leave all that part out and just focus on the parts that the bible highlight?.

Remember now, no worzil links....

you can find him outside the rockerfellow building , the nwo think he's the cat's whiskers now....all part of the priesthoods' original mind control

ahh well there you go then, here we have our conclusive evidence that Promenthuis is lucifer and is evil.... because they have a statue od him outside their building... they should put it in wiki now... "Promenthuis" is evil because the Rockefellers have a statue of him! ... it cant be a symbol of being enlightend about somthing or being in the know.... no, it means evil!

Got to hand it to you Lizzard you are a true scollar, infact we would be lost without skollars like you! ;)

.....new-age /old -age.....except the water bearer will chip us this time......the cube, the hive, the borg......
And now you are just deliberately not making sense... in the attempt to sound like you know what you talking about it, I dare you to admit it!

and what's wrong with satanism......nothing if your a Satanist.

Very true..... what's wrong with being stupid? .... nothing if your stupid.

runciter

14-11-2008, 12:54 PM

Very true..... what's wrong with being stupid? .... nothing if your stupid.

are you saying that someone here is stupid? who is working for the nwo?

lizzy

14-11-2008, 03:30 PM

Got to hand it to you Lizzard you are a true scollar, infact we would be lost without skollars like you! ;)

Thanks thirdWAY :D

I'm not eternal_spirit , he's a true 'scholar'...;)

at it's core it is ancient mind control that you buy into everyday , pushing it towards the UN's agenda of a one world religion....only it won't be under the guise of ANY god .........the elites have set themsleves up as that....it is they who want us to war-ship them.....

You think you are free of religious dogma but your not, you have just bought into to the old one that was always there under the surface , at the top of the pyramid and it is evil.........

lizzy

14-11-2008, 03:55 PM

this is a lie, the system is a zionist/masonic one, the cult of the "all-seeing eye".

that's how i see it too.... I have realized that the love / teachings of Jesus is something the zionists' fear most in the west, (hence the huge immigration policies).......they hate love and faith , mindless obedience to the nwo cult is their goal......and do everything to subvert...steering sheeple christians into supporting zionist Isreal and in the States ,placing cia agents as pastors......

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 03:59 PM

who is working for the nwo?

Im sure you have all that worked out.

lizzy

14-11-2008, 04:11 PM

Im sure you have all that worked out.

yes thirdWAY
.....SOME OF US HAVE WORKED IT OUT.....AND YOU ( and your zionist buddies) HAVE HELPED.....THANKYOU :D

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 04:20 PM

Thanks thirdWAY :D

I'm not eternal_spirit , he's a true 'scholar'...;)

at it's core it is ancient mind control that you buy into everyday , pushing it towards the UN's agenda of a one world religion....only it won't be under the guise of ANY god .........the elites have set themsleves up as that....it is they who want us to war-ship them.....

You think you are free of religious dogma but your not, you have just bought into to the old one that was always there under the surface , at the top of the pyramid and it is evil.........

I was going to attempt to tackle all that shit...

But I have remembered its like talking to a get a donkey to look at the stars.

or like trying to tell a cave women that the world is round and revolves around the sun.

For a start if you are so ignorant that you are happy to see an agenda of a 1 world religion (somthing David Icke has warned FAR MORE people than you have), but then you fail to see that these very people creating it have created pretty much every other religion that is out there, then you are really not with it.

Do you have any idea how long and far back the elite have ruled from??????

You are doing nothing more than promoting ignorance at condemning anyone for daring to think more than you do.

Go and read a book of two.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 04:22 PM

yes thirdWAY
.....SOME OF US HAVE WORKED IT OUT.....AND YOU ( and your zionist buddies) HAVE HELPED.....THANKYOU :D

Im sure some of you have!! and it is a tad bit frightening, although not in the way you would think .. :eek:

lottie

14-11-2008, 04:29 PM

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 04:30 PM

that's how i see it too.... I have realized that the love / teachings of Jesus is something the zionists' fear most in the west,

LOL quality! ... Jerry Jerry Jerry!!!!

they hate love and faith

hmmm, sounds kind of human to me, could you be more specific?

and do everything to subvert...steering sheeple christians into supporting zionist Isreal and in the States ,placing cia agents as pastors......

Do you know what Zionism is about??? and HOW it came about and what platform it actually used to come about....? and where that platform came about....? like I say, read a book or two, THEN come back and give me the run down because you just sound like a google junkie.... or somone who wants to create as much confusion and chaos in the movement as possible.

what makes me laugh is you feel I should be arrested for finding inspiration in Crowley works who actually was warning the world about Zionism YEARS ago.... But no.... I am evil for likely Crowley books, and Im a supporter of Zionism..... and for not believing in Jesus Christ and how he will save us from religion LOL, it seems you want it all your way in a nice little Lizzy pattern :rolleyes:

lizzy

14-11-2008, 04:31 PM

For a start if you are so ignorant that you are happy to see an agenda of a 1 world religion .......

LOL, have'nt changed your zionist snakeskin , still the same old twister, must be in the blood......:eek:

Why do YOU push crowley,lucerfer, et's, tarot cards, ect ect......it's just ancient mind control ......Icke does NOT promote THIS, but YOU DO.

Icke takes a different tack whether to the same end or not, he wants us to believe the psychopathic elite bloodlines are reppies , he could be right because they lost any humanity they had eons ago and forum mods like darketernal want us to feel sorry for them....OMG......they could have changed but they didi'nt.......total human enslavement has always been their "great worK"....

I have noticed how you are happy to use Icke when it suits you.......but at least he has written much about the evil of satanism that you promote in one form or another......

bye for now thirdWAY

runciter

14-11-2008, 04:33 PM

Do you have any idea how long and far back the elite have ruled from??????

the sabbatean frankist conspiracy began around 1770, when meyer rothschild, adam weishaupt and jacob frank met somewhere in germany, but its origins can be traced back to year 1666, when sabbetai zevi converted to islam, and its final stage started in 1999.

the rothschilds are the direct descendants of sabbetai and want to enslave us all.

haukipesukone

14-11-2008, 04:57 PM

bye for now thirdWAY

What's this thing about ThirdWAY?

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 05:06 PM

TW, as much as i love you- do you not see how you are also displaying a certain amount of ignorance here? You seem to refuse to even entertain the idea that religion or anything related could remotely hold weight despite the facts.
In order to be open minded we have to actually be open minded, you appear to be hell bent on repeating information from researchers in the same way that the reporters on tv read the news and the professors indoctrinate their pupils, all singing off the same script!
I was the same untill recently but i see how egotistical i was being- there's no harm in admitting i was wrong. I was far too set in my beliefs to even entertain the idea of religion but i fear i have been misled...im not a christian, muslim, jew but i have realised there's far more to the conspiracy of religion than passing it off as sun worship....now im actually looking at the scriptures and finding out for myself!
:)

Ok I get the hint about the ego.... butI dont agree, I know full well I am coming across as an ago...

These people have (without knowing me), branded me and Satanist, an Agent... an Zionsit Jew... and an evil Freemason so on.., based on my views and research. and they have also made it clear what they feel these groups are and what hideous things they get up to...

and my reaction is to talk down to them... its quite hard because it is genuine stupidity....

I respect you also Lottie but I don't agree with you at all here, you could also tell me what my belife system is failing to compihend here?

thats there are hidden occultic messages within the bible?

that the storey of Jesus has segments of it in other myths and legends as well as Satan... and so on and it has also been mixed with other peoples lives...

that Adam and Eve were not real and they did not have a chat with a snake who made them eat a dodgy apple that fucked up the world?? ....

but maybe the story was myth based on a situation that man kind once faced?

and thay YES, much of it is based on pagan stuff and Sun worship.

.... I have researched it and am not talking blindly. If you have other concclusions I dont mind.... I can respect your choice... but don't expect me to worry bout Jesus Christ, that's what I am saying...

and there are enough christians on this bored its not like I am going christian bashing...

If you have made the choice to be inspired by these religious and so on then I have no problem with that as we all are different and all need different things.... however If you think of me different because I could not give a monkeys about Jesus Christ, then you wont like what I have to say....sorry.

If I have been annoying then sorry, but this is just it, Im a stubborn fellow and it is not always pretty, but I am always confident in digging up stuff ....

Lets not pretend that the christians here have not come to spread their holy spirit.

where were they all when Icke was putting out the chairs him self?

runciter

14-11-2008, 05:14 PM

and my reaction is to talk down to them... its quite hard because it is genuine stupidity....

stupidity is not seeing who your real enemies are, if you're a member of mankind.

haukipesukone

14-11-2008, 05:23 PM

stupidity is not seeing who your real enemies are, if you're a member of mankind.

All this talk about enemies. Is that how you really see the world? Us vs. Them?

runciter

14-11-2008, 05:25 PM

All this talk about enemies. Is that how you really see the world? Us vs. Them?

no, it's them against us, it's being aware that someone wants to f*** you.

marpat

14-11-2008, 05:32 PM

i think it would be more reasonable to call "satanism" a hidden cult whose aim is the destruction or enslavement of mankind, and to consider "satan" the adversary of ordinary people and of every living creature.

Sort of like the church, which has enslaved millions for thousands of years. They have used the fight against evil as the excuse for many evil deeds, such as killing many people in witch hunts, "judge not".

runciter

14-11-2008, 05:39 PM

Sort of like the church, which has enslaved millions for thousands of years. They have used the fight against evil as the excuse for many evil deeds, such as killing many people in witch hunts, "judge not".

now we have a sabbatean frankist problem, but you're still fighting against the christians.

niall

14-11-2008, 06:07 PM

TW, as much as i love you- do you not see how you are also displaying a certain amount of ignorance here? You seem to refuse to even entertain the idea that religion or anything related could remotely hold weight despite the facts.
In order to be open minded we have to actually be open minded, you appear to be hell bent on repeating information from researchers in the same way that the reporters on tv read the news and the professors indoctrinate their pupils, all singing off the same script!
I was the same untill recently but i see how egotistical i was being- there's no harm in admitting i was wrong. I was far too set in my beliefs to even entertain the idea of religion but i fear i have been misled...im not a christian, muslim, jew but i have realised there's far more to the conspiracy of religion than passing it off as sun worship....now im actually looking at the scriptures and finding out for myself!
:)

I think its great that you are now able to open up to religion what ever your particular beliefs are. I believe that we're being tricked into thinking its disguised sun worship to deter you from reading the bible etc.
I think within the bible itself there is alot of truth that has been added to as a means of confusing you ,but if you have a good heart and read it from beginning to end you will be able to feel what is right. People seem to be so anti jesus it shocks me. What is wrong with quotes like these.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these,

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat [food], let him do likewise

I don't want to bore you with loads of quotes but my point is that if we as the human race behaved like what it says above there would be no wars or famines etc. Wether someone believes in the bible or not it is wonderful loving advice. Most people seem to remember the 10 commandments from the old testament but not what was said in the new testament which are just loving tollerent statements.

In my research crowley always seems to lead back to nwo and freemasonary. I mean no disrespect to anyone by that, it just does.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 07:03 PM

stupidity is not seeing who your real enemies are, if you're a member of mankind.

what ar you talking about, I am not saying Christians are my enemy's.... just becuase i am expressing how I do not feel the Jesus Christ thing is the real deal, it does not mean you are all my enemy.... its the bible that creates that tag...its the bible who would label me as your enemy.

runciter

14-11-2008, 07:18 PM

what ar you talking about, I am not saying Christians are my enemy's.... just becuase i am expressing how I do not feel the Jesus Christ thing is the real deal, it does not mean you are all my enemy.... its the bible that creates that tag...its the bible who would label me as your enemy.

you are not my enemy, unless you want to change what i am.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 07:46 PM

People seem to be so anti jesus it shocks me. What is wrong with quotes like these.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these,

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat [food], let him do likewise

Well this is just it .... there are some very pleasant texts in the bible that was no doubt written by a very decent wise person.... and I agree those are very cool words you have quoted there and who ever wrote them would no doubt get on with David Icke %100

But then when you see him say something like the following... you are left wondering if it is indeed the same guy?

I mean this one has a Bush flavour to it
Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

here he replys to a Jewish woman asking him to heel her son.
Mark
7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.

Mark
8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

this one has a kind of NWO feel to it
Matthew
13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Thessalonians
1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

but my point is that if we as the human race behaved like what it says above there would be no wars or famines etc.

but what about with what I have above?.. taken from the same bible.

why cant you see that side of it?

Most people seem to remember the 10 commandments from the old testament but not what was said in the new testament which are just loving tollerent statements.

Well I guess if you wanted to you could detach your self from the first testament... but you could also listen to Jesus here

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

and of course you must also ask the question that why much of the old testament was put in the new testament by the very people that are responsible for you knowing about it.

In my research crowley always seems to lead back to nwo and freemasonary.
He was very knowledgeable of freemasonry and wanted to be one but was not trusted enough.. not sure what you mean by nwo as its a bit random..

I mean no disrespect to anyone by that, it just does.
Thats cool.... he is an acquired taste and was in general a bit of bastard, but worry not, as you not digging his works will by no means harm you in anyway, plenty of other books.....

sunya

14-11-2008, 07:56 PM

Awesome, I was going to start a thread about this.

I get uneasy when the term 'Satanism' repeatedly gets trundled out to tar 'Them' with, whether it's Crowley, the Freemasons, the NWO... It seems to me that the perfect analogy to Satanism is Al-Qaeda. In both cases you have a mostly mythical organisation, the perfect antithesis to the self-proclaimed 'good guys'. Keep banging on about said meme, and lo and behold, it becomes a reality. Angry Arabic kids start strapping bombs to themselves, angry Scandinavian kids start drinking eachother's blood and murdering the odd person.

I know that Black Masses have been going on for centuries, but look at who was involved. Bohemians, artists, poets, writers. It was reactionary. Like Marilyn Manson. Completely inevitable when you use religion as a political tool to herd people with.

We must be careful about co-opting the language and concepts of the systems that have controlled us. If we use a lazy catchall term like Satanism to describe the rituals and magical techniques of the Illuminati, it's all-too-easy to follow facile goodvsbad pigeonholing logic and ZOMG - LIGHT MEANS LUCIFER! SATANIST! INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT! ONE OF THEM! THAT PERSON HAS THE SUN IN THEIR AVATAR! SUN-WORSHIPPER! AAARGGHH!

Then we get divided, and we get ruled. In teh internetz vernacular, we get owned.

Magic, ritual, evocation of spirits/angels/demons (archetypes) are neither good nor bad, they just are. I don't even subscribe to the idea that 'it's how you use it that makes it good or evil'. You just get bogged down in subjective opinion. It could be that the eugenics crowd truly believe they are doing the right thing because the planet can't support the present population. Or that the NWO want to protect the people from their own stupidity, as Plato seemed to advocate. I'm not going to brand them evil, but I'll fight them if my survival is at stake.

Here's an analogy from the world of gambling: blackjack card-counters have no qualms about fleecing the casinos for some of the money that they take from degenerate gamblers. The casinos have no problem engaging in an arms race of surveillance techniques to catch those who break the rules by card-counting. Who's in the wrong? Nobody, both sides are just playing the game.

armoured_amazon

14-11-2008, 07:57 PM

LOL, have'nt changed your zionist snakeskin , still the same old twister, must be in the blood......:eek:

Why do YOU push crowley,lucerfer, et's, tarot cards, ect ect......it's just ancient mind control ......Icke does NOT promote THIS, but YOU DO.

Icke takes a different tack whether to the same end or not, he wants us to believe the psychopathic elite bloodlines are reppies , he could be right because they lost any humanity they had eons ago and forum mods like darketernal want us to feel sorry for them....OMG......they could have changed but they didi'nt.......total human enslavement has always been their "great worK"....

I have noticed how you are happy to use Icke when it suits you.......but at least he has written much about the evil of satanism that you promote in one form or another......

bye for now thirdWAY

Because, to be very Hollywood B-movie about it, TW is a double agent, imo.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 07:58 PM

you are not my enemy, unless you want to change what i am.

why would i come to a david icke forum if i wanted to change Christians?

I been chatting his forums for years... I have not posted 1 post on a religious forum.

or any kind of anti christians forum.

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 08:03 PM

Because, to be very Hollywood B-movie about it, TW is a double agent, imo.

here is an example of what i mean...

"he be dammed" .."he havth the devil in him" ..... :rolleyes:

marpat

14-11-2008, 08:04 PM

now we have a sabbatean frankist problem, but you're still fighting against the christians.

And rightly so, their oppressive tyrany has known no limits

marpat

14-11-2008, 08:11 PM

thirdway.......
had this before have'nt we,LOL.ok i'll keep it short......aton in the morning star ..the eygptian sun god.....zeus the greek sun god who had prometheus killed for giving fire to the masses,lol.(can't go giving secrets' away tot he sheeple).....you can find him outside the rockerfellow building , the nwo think he's the cat's whiskers now....all part of the priesthoods' original mind control .....new-age /old -age.....except the water bearer will chip us this time......the cube, the hive, the borg......

and what's wrong with satanism......nothing if your a satanist.

Hold on, are you trying to state that the sun god is the morning star? Who is Aton? Atum, Aten, Amun?

Actually prometheus wasnt killed, he had his liver torn out every day while he was tied to a rock. There is a price to illumination which is shown symbolically by this story. Look at the lives of saints and see what they suffered in order to reach the divine goal.

lizzy

14-11-2008, 08:17 PM

And rightly so, their oppressive tyrany has known no limits

LOL...:eek: , I suppose you think the Vatican rules the Rothchildes' too.....

lizzy

14-11-2008, 08:23 PM

Actually prometheus wasnt killed, he had his liver torn out every day while he was tied to a rock. .

well if that did'nt kill him I suppose he lived without one........

and as for the saints.....(I thought you did'nt like Christians:D)...most were from 'nobility' (lol)....saw the corruption and opted out)....

anyway adimon your the 'skollar' here.......and I don't give a rats ass.....

long live satan....:eek: (and add a nazi salute).....

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 08:26 PM

Why do YOU push crowley,lucerfer, et's, tarot cards, ect ect......it's just ancient mind control ......Icke does NOT promote THIS, but YOU DO.

Ok to cover your last point I am not David Icke... hence the difference...

Second of all Tarot cards have nothing what's so ever to do with Lucifer... like I say go and do some darn research. I also do them because they fasinate me and now and again inspire me... I have posted 1 or 2 threads in the right forum for those who also have an interest in them... I don't make it your business so i don't know why you have..

Thirdly, I don't "push" Crowley or Lucifer... I point out the lack of understanding in what the bigger picture of them are.... and that Lucifer is also not what people think.... they are simply judged because of the evil actions of a group that worship it.... I am pointing out that it is not "Lucifer" making these people evil.... but you are to ignorant to comprehend that... and are way to opinionated and closed minded to comprehend it, despite much info to show it as true. I am also not saying Lucifer is good like you keep trying to make out I am....... I am saying he is not the enemy... the enemy simply worship it.

Icke takes a different tack whether to the same end or not, he wants us to believe the psychopathic elite bloodlines are reppies , he could be right because they lost any humanity they had eons ago and forum mods like darketernal want us to feel sorry for them....OMG......they could have changed but they didi'nt.......total human enslavement has always been their "great worK"....

Yes ok you dont belive in them... you have not one speck of info to put down as to why its so imposoble but as usual its all about your belife system .... I do pretty will with Icke and there is not much I fault him with and Im pretty much with him on most things... incuding the reptile thing which I feel is VERY relevant.... although you seem to have fits of euphoria over the fact that I feel his research on Crowley is limited and his over all research on magick is quite thin, hence why I do not see him as my first choice for researching those subjects....... its not the end of the world and i don't see a big problem in that, its just something you like to bring up...

I have noticed how you are happy to use Icke when it suits you.......but at least he has written much about the evil of satanism that you promote in one form or another......

no he has not written about the evil of Satanism.... he has simply used the word to label the evil occultiust running the world and their child sacrifices...

here is your hypocrisy... you are useing icke here now to condemn what you see as Satanism.... yet clearly David Icke feels that the culprits are a reptilian race that come from another dimension.... and that in a word "possess" the elite...

are you saying you do support this now then ?

or you don't and you are just doing what you have accused me of?

thirdwave

14-11-2008, 08:33 PM

runciter

14-11-2008, 08:36 PM

no he has not written about the evil of Satanism.... he has simply used the word to label the evil occultiust running the world and their child sacrifices...

looks a little contradictory, doesn't it?

lizzy

14-11-2008, 08:59 PM

looks a little contradictory, doesn't it?

hi runciter ..:)
That hit me too runciter...thirdway is still honing his BS skills.....:D

perhaps he should check the archive......Icke is very informative about the satanic.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/34/83/

bye for now ;)

lizzy

14-11-2008, 09:01 PM

Because, to be very Hollywood B-movie about it, TW is a double agent, imo.
well he plays a good part , we might have to give him the role.......;)

sunya

14-11-2008, 09:01 PM

I fear you speak to much sense for this thread...

Is there a thread dedicated to people talking sense? Damn, they kept that under wraps.

:p

lizzy

14-11-2008, 09:03 PM

Is there a thread dedicated to people talking sense? Damn, they kept that under wraps.

:p

hi sunya..:)...you did write a good piece...;).but you see it 's the game that is the problem ,not just how it's played.....

sunya

14-11-2008, 09:18 PM

hi sunya..:)...you did write a good piece...;).but you see it 's the game that is the problem ,not just how it's played.....

I kind of agree, I'm just not a fan of ignoring the game and hoping it goes away.

lizzy

14-11-2008, 09:29 PM

I kind of agree, I'm just not a fan of ignoring the game and hoping it goes away.

hi sunya..:)...me neither....it's not going to go away....the "greatwork' is written in the Georgia Guidestones , 9/11, haarp, gm foods, vacinations, bankers, hoax wars and moon landings....the list is quite endless....
For me this aspect is diversionary AND another part of new /old age con to herd us toward a one world religion.....

What's wrong with Satanism?.....Nothing , the nwo love it.......;) they promote it at every opportunity, film, music, fashion.....

sunya

14-11-2008, 09:53 PM

hi sunya..:)...me neither....it's not going to go away....the "greatwork' is written in the Georgia Guidestones , 9/11, haarp, gm foods, vacinations, bankers, hoax wars and moon landings....the list is quite endless....
For me this aspect is diversionary AND another part of new /old age con to herd us toward a one world religion.....

What's wrong with Satanism?.....Nothing , the nwo love it.......;) they promote it at every opportunity, film, music, fashion.....

In game theory there is a number that comes up as a fundamental - root 2 minus 1. 41.4%. This to me feels like just the kind of ratio of truth they mix into the disinformation. My point is that we play into their hands when we polarise everything into truth or lies, thus dividing ourselves. Much better to realise there is truth in the occult teachings, and devote ourselves to figuring out what that truth is. Blanket good/bad opinions help no-one.

thirdwave

15-11-2008, 03:14 AM

looks a little contradictory, doesn't it?

lol not in the slightest.

He uses the word Satanism to highlight negative occult practice and he has even implied it is just a tag during one of his video casts when talking about the elite..

One only need to read one of his books to see that he does not think that the elite are serving Jesus's enemy Mr Satan.... but are in fact being controlled buy reptilian beings that live just outside our frequency range and who manipulate the elite.... he also lets us know he feels it could be very closely linked to the annunaki.... and goes on to state how the bible translates God wrong when it should have really been translated Gods..... yadda yadda...

Now, the fact that "satan" is depicted is some texts as the serpent .....it is very likely relevant to the many ancient stories of reptilian GODS on earth.... the Mayans... Sumerian's... Hoppie Indians.... Africans... and more...

you see this is an example of hidden truth, the enemy may be serpent ... and "satan" may be on his way... or trying to gain more control of us...

But it does not mean its the Mr Boggie man that Jesus tells us off... it is a symbol of the reptilian race's manipulation of us... and if we dont follow Jesus it does not mean we will follow the Annunaki.

thirdwave

15-11-2008, 03:23 AM

Is there a thread dedicated to people talking sense? Damn, they kept that under wraps.

:p

:)

ahh you are new here so wont put you off... there are some cool threads here...

and you are right... and one problem within the truth movement is people just brand good/bad...

true/flase

its like they have to make a judgement rather than be open to half ways...

I will say yet again that I am open to certain truths with the bible... and any religious texts... because they would not have had the potency in them to carry them for so long with out a cent of truth.... but this does not mean the texts are made to educate the masses or to spread truth... and it certainly does not mean it is the message of the all created god of the universe.

the fact that religion is such a touchy shows all.. why is it so touchy??

sunya

15-11-2008, 03:48 AM

:)

ahh you are new here so wont put you off... there are some cool threads here...

and you are right... and one problem within the truth movement is people just brand good/bad...

true/flase

its like they have to make a judgement rather than be open to half ways...

I will say yet again that I am open to certain truths with the bible... and any religious texts... because they would not have had the potency in them to carry them for so long with out a cent of truth.... but this does not mean the texts are made to educate the masses or to spread truth... and it certainly does not mean it is the message of the all created god of the universe.

the fact that religion is such a touchy shows all.. why is it so touchy??

I grok that thirdwave.

You could call me a Fundamentalist Agnostic. I never 'believe' anything. But the flipside is that I never discount anything out of hand. When something has been around for a long time and resonated with a lot of people, it's reasonable to assume there's a kernel of truth in there.

Religious people are touchy because they intuit the inconsistencies that could bring down the whole house of cards. Just the same way that most men are irrationally homophobic because they see a little bit of it in themselves.

marpat

15-11-2008, 08:16 PM

LOL...:eek: , I suppose you think the Vatican rules the Rothchildes' too.....

I never said anything of the sort

marpat

15-11-2008, 08:19 PM

well if that did'nt kill him I suppose he lived without one........

and as for the saints.....(I thought you did'nt like Christians:D)...most were from 'nobility' (lol)....saw the corruption and opted out)....

anyway adimon your the 'skollar' here.......and I don't give a rats ass.....

long live satan....:eek: (and add a nazi salute).....

Interesting rant.

The prometheus story is mythology not a literal tale. To take it at face value is wrong, just like taking the bible literally.

It make me sad that you actually support satanic rule, as shown by your post.

lizzy

15-11-2008, 08:24 PM

Interesting rant.

The prometheus story is mythology not a literal tale. To take it at face value is wrong, just like taking the bible literally.

It make me sad that you actually support satanic rule, as shown by your post.

The prometheus story is mythology not a literal tale.

(YES< I KNOW...:rolleyes:)

you actually support satanic rule,

( I thought you understood IRONY....LOL :eek: but I guess not..:D)

marpat

15-11-2008, 08:27 PM

The prometheus story is mythology not a literal tale.

(YES< I KNOW...:rolleyes:)

you actually support satanic rule,

( I thought you understood IRONY....LOL :eek:)

But you are the one who posted a salutation to satan whereas I never have done. I would never mess about with such a potentially hazardous force. Maybe you will be getting a visit soon.

I suppose when you get to your age mental control starts to slip.

lizzy

15-11-2008, 10:29 PM

[QUOTE=marpat;616315]But you are the one who posted a salutation to satan whereas I never have done. I would never mess about with such a potentially hazardous force. Maybe you will be getting a visit soon.

QUOTE]

Maybe you will be getting a visit soon.

(:eek::rolleyes:.....everytime someone turns on the tv they get one.)

I suppose when you get to your age mental control starts to slip..

(:D..you wish, eh, adimon, LOL....I see through the ancient/newage mind control eugenics / slave agenda with total clarity)........

take care now :cool:

marpat

16-11-2008, 12:05 AM

But you are the one who posted a salutation to satan whereas I never have done. I would never mess about with such a potentially hazardous force. Maybe you will be getting a visit soon.

Maybe you will be getting a visit soon.

(:eek::rolleyes:.....everytime someone turns on the tv they get one.)

I suppose when you get to your age mental control starts to slip..

(:D..you wish, eh, adimon, LOL....I see through the ancient/newage mind control eugenics / slave agenda with total clarity)........

take care now :cool:

But you dont have any clarity of vision, which is proved so absolutely by your posts. All you have done is to confuse yourself and others with distortions of facts as well as outright lies.

lottie

16-11-2008, 12:19 AM

Can we get back on topic please....no need for sniping at each other!

lottie

16-11-2008, 12:43 AM

lol not in the slightest.

He uses the word Satanism to highlight negative occult practice and he has even implied it is just a tag during one of his video casts when talking about the elite..

One only need to read one of his books to see that he does not think that the elite are serving Jesus's enemy Mr Satan.... but are in fact being controlled buy reptilian beings that live just outside our frequency range and who manipulate the elite.... he also lets us know he feels it could be very closely linked to the annunaki.... and goes on to state how the bible translates God wrong when it should have really been translated Gods..... yadda yadda...

Now, the fact that "satan" is depicted is some texts as the serpent .....it is very likely relevant to the many ancient stories of reptilian GODS on earth.... the Mayans... Sumerian's... Hoppie Indians.... Africans... and more...

you see this is an example of hidden truth, the enemy may be serpent ... and "satan" may be on his way... or trying to gain more control of us...

But it does not mean its the Mr Boggie man that Jesus tells us off... it is a symbol of the reptilian race's manipulation of us... and if we dont follow Jesus it does not mean we will follow the Annunaki.

I suppose what im trying to say is....as 'likely' as it is that there's is a reptillian race infiltrating the world and positions of power/rule.... is it that hard to accept there could be a God and a Satan? They are both as 'way out there' as each other for in a society like ours today!

you see this is an example of hidden truth, the enemy may be serpent ... and "satan" may be on his way... or trying to gain more control of us...
But what if it is Satan? Is Satan any less evil than the Serpent Race from the 4th Dimension?

Why do the elite worship Satan if he doesn't exist? Why do they call him Satan...? or call it Satan worship? Luciferian worship (worship of the Sun)? All the other researchers arn't calling it Satan worship as a term to highlight negative occult practice...they're saying because thats what the elite call it...did Crowley say it was just a term used to pertain to the worship of a reptilian race from the 4th dimension? Or that 'it's not really satanism, we just call it that coz we couldnt think of anything else? I mean why call it satanism if it's nothing to do with worshiping satan? and if Satan's a ficticious character from the bible then even more so why do they put so much effort into promoting it behind closed doors? :confused:

lizzy

16-11-2008, 03:52 AM

Why do the elite worship Satan if he doesn't exist? Why do they call him Satan...? or call it Satan worship? Luciferian worship (worship of the Sun)? All the other researchers arn't calling it Satan worship as a term to highlight negative occult practice...they're saying because thats what the elite call it...did Crowley say it was just a term used to pertain to the worship of a reptilian race from the 4th dimension? Or that 'it's not really satanism, we just call it that coz we couldnt think of anything else? I mean why call it satanism if it's nothing to do with worshiping satan? and if Satan's a ficticious character from the bible then even more so why do they put so much effort into promoting it behind closed doors? :confused:

hi Lottie.....:)
watch out you'll get branded a 'heretic'.......
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"and if Satan's a ficticious character from the bible then even more so why do they put so much effort into promoting it behind closed doors? ":confused:
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I happen to agree with this line of thought.;)

haukipesukone

16-11-2008, 06:29 AM

I fear you speak to much sense for this thread...

I agree. Begone Sunya, this thread lost all sense of reason pages ago. Don't try to confuse us with truth.

I grok that thirdwave.

What's grok?

marpat

16-11-2008, 11:28 AM

runciter

16-11-2008, 11:33 AM

Who said the elite worship satan? can we see some real proof of this.

war, famine and oppression..

marpat

16-11-2008, 11:38 AM

war, famine and oppression..

Perhaps they are punishments handed out by God for the inhumanity of humanity, like the Jews getting exiled to babylon.

Such things can be explained by human ambition and desire. All you are trying to do is imply that they worship satan because of the present world climate. Not really the same is it. It is almost like saying nice people worship christ even if they are not christians.

runciter

16-11-2008, 11:54 AM

Perhaps they are punishments handed out by God

the rothschilds aren't god, they are psychopaths.

marpat

16-11-2008, 12:01 PM

the rothschilds aren't god, they are psychopaths.

But they may be greedy and ambitious. This does not mean they worship satan though. People will kill for money and power but if they do not believe in the invisible world then how can they be worshipping satan? you seem to have the illusion that to do evil is automatically connected to satan worship rather than being the desire of humans to do what they wish at any cost to other people. I would say these are two seperate things, althought they can be connected in people who actually do worship satan with the intent of doing evil.

runciter

16-11-2008, 12:22 PM

But they may be greedy and ambitious. This does not mean they worship satan though. People will kill for money and power but if they do not believe in the invisible world then how can they be worshipping satan? you seem to have the illusion that to do evil is automatically connected to satan worship rather than being the desire of humans to do what they wish at any cost to other people. I would say these are two seperate things, althought they can be connected in people who actually do worship satan with the intent of doing evil.

they are the psychopathic descendants of the false messiah sabbetai zevi.

sabbetai converted to islam in 1666, the matrix was started in 1999 666 1.

eternal_spirit

16-11-2008, 12:32 PM

they are the psychopathic descendants of the false messiah sabbetai zevi.

sabbetai converted to islam in 1666, the matrix was started in 1999 666 1.

Shariah Law maybe should have been called Satan's Law. If we are to put that into the evil Satan box. EDIT it's more Stanic than the Satanic Bible. Remember Salmon Rushdie and his book the Satanic verses, they set a fattwa on him (no not some over weight Muslim) Maybe he told too much truth and exposed Islam for the evil it is.

marpat

16-11-2008, 02:05 PM

sabbetai converted to islam in 1666, the matrix was started in 1999 666 1.

So what day or month is 666? oh I see you have twisted another figure to fit your idea.

What date format is that? yy/mm/dd or yy/dd/mm? either way it is fucked up as there is no month or day that is either 66 or 61.

Wow that guy had a whole year to convert to Islam. I think it would have been more relative if it had happened in 666AD.

eternal_spirit

16-11-2008, 02:07 PM

Shariah Law maybe should have been called Satan's Law. If we are to put that into the evil Satan box. EDIT it's more Stanic than the Satanic Bible. Remember Salmon Rushdie and his book the Satanic verses, they set a fattwa on him (no not some over weight Muslim) Maybe he told too much truth and exposed Islam for the evil it is.

Different groups will make devils out of others. Islam sees western Society and those that wont convert to Islam as Satanic.

Surah 4:76-78 "fighteth on Allah's path, whether he be slain of conquer…Fight therefore against the friends of Satan"

runciter

16-11-2008, 02:16 PM

So what day or month is 666? oh I see you have twisted another figure to fit your idea.

What date format is that? yy/mm/dd or yy/dd/mm? either way it is fucked up as there is no month or day that is either 66 or 61.

Wow that guy had a whole year to convert to Islam. I think it would have been more relative if it had happened in 666AD.

the false messiah is the anti-christ, the rothschilds are his descendants.

thirdwave

16-11-2008, 02:17 PM

I suppose what im trying to say is....as 'likely' as it is that there's is a reptillian race infiltrating the world and positions of power/rule.... is it that hard to accept there could be a God and a Satan? They are both as 'way out there' as each other for in a society like ours today!

the concept of god is something totally different to that of Satan.... God is the creator of everything... Satan is a man made concept that something other than god makes us do evil.

I have always said I am happy to agree there IS GOD .... but that there is not A GOD.

now, if someone disagrees that's fine as we all have views... But the point is, that not only does the bible claim to know what and who god is.. but it also claims to know that its a he and what he wants, what he does not want and what he will do to people who dont do it..... now that's some pretty powerful stuff to just base on a book oput together buy a bunch of people we know nothing about.

But what if it is Satan? Is Satan any less evil than the Serpent Race from the 4th Dimension?
Well this is just it... the serpent race might not be evil.... just because some of them are fucking with is it does not mean all serpents are evil.... and I belive Icke has even said this in one of his interviews..

but the way Christians view satan is the enemy... they make Satan out of lots of people..

Satan is nothing like a reptilian race from the 4th D... the bible says Satan who was gods friend, got booted out of heaven for going against god... he is then later depicted as some evil serpent? .... quite a big chunk missed out here it seems...

for me this is the same story as adam and eve... where someone made the wrong decision and the shit hit the fan.

But IMO its dangerous to label all evil with names like Satan.... because then other things that may be affiliated with smiler things are also branded Satan without even thinking him as a real person...

it is wiser to know exactly what Satan really is, rather then just let the bible make ones own mind on him.... and for a start even if the elite did worship Satan... it does not mean Satan is evil.... how do we know Satan has asked them to do such things? ...

look at the catholic and what they have done over the years.... they worshipped Jesus Christ.

Why do the elite worship Satan if he doesn't exist? Why do they call him Satan...? or call it Satan worship? Luciferian worship (worship of the Sun)?
I don't believe the elite do worship Satan.... I belive they worship Lucifer which is sun worship and the reason they do it is because there ancient rulers expressed the importance of doing so... there is no evidence they worship Satan... it is only Alex Jones and one or two others who think they know this.... but what else would a Christian think they are worshipping?

All the other researchers arn't calling it Satan worship as a term to highlight negative occult practice...they're saying because thats what the elite call it...

But where have the elite said its Satan worship??? and David icke does just use it as a tag... unless he planes to go into in more and explain how it is not just the reptilians they are interacting with.... If I have missed some research that tells me otherwise then send me over something you recommend and I would be happy to read it..

did Crowley say it was just a term used to pertain to the worship of a reptilian race from the 4th dimension? Or that 'it's not really satanism, we just call it that coz we couldnt think of anything else?

Here is what Crowley thought of Satanism.

"The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God... 'The Devil' is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes... This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade 'Know Thyself!' and taught Initiation. He is 'The Devil' of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection... He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is ayin, the Eye, so that he is Light; and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty."

I mean why call it satanism if it's nothing to do with worshiping satan? but its only christians who have taught people about Satanism....

Ask the religious folk, they created him.
the only official Satanism was made by Anton LaVey in 1969.... you also have had idiots who and evil and into the occult and do fucked up things and this is allways branded as Satan.... when its not... its an evil occult practice which you do not require "Satan" for.

and if Satan's a ficticious character from the bible then even more so why do they put so much effort into promoting it behind closed doors? :confused:

Well IMO the elite are quite happy with the people believing in a bogi man ..... but I have not really seen any evidence they have promoted it behind closed doors....

lets see what we have in their symboligy...

lots of sun signs.... lion so on..... lots of reptilian signs.... so on....
lots of occultis signs..... there is the owl which is nothing but a masonic sign that is meant to stand for seeing in the dark... and we see there is a link to the Egyptian in some places...

the word Lucifer = light bringer
the word Satan = to overcome

now, Satan in the Hebrew (Ha Satan) was gods "the accuser"... his job was to go around and challange peoples faith in god.... and then prosicute them for their sins.

Now we can look in both the old and new T and see what kind of fellow God was... regardless of any division with them.... the New T reveals that Satan was cast down by God for going against god...

I guess he kind of though that God was being a bit harsh to peeps and let a few peeps off the hook and bog punished him self..

Now some here have made a point that Prometheus is Satan.... No... Prometheus was before that... and its obviously where the bible took a bit of that story from....

but clearly Prometheus was actually not evil at all... it was Zeus who was the arse hole...

So what we see is a mythical person who was meant to have opposed the gods oppressive and harsh judgment on man kind.

What does this person represent to you?

a person who steps out of line and is not tricked by the bull shit?

So we are taught to fear this person as evil.... "by the bible" or indeed to him as somone who is going to be punished in the most hideous way.... this is what has been pumped into us for a very very very long time.

but are the elite tricked by the teachings of god?? .... no.

They are evil... greedy and power hungry.... but this does not mean its because they understand the value of not being the manipulated ones...

I don't believe their evil comes from this knowledge... there power does.

I think their evil has different roots.... and yes they may well be the reptiles.... or a certain kind, Like I say to brand as the bible does is unfair and potentially dangerous.

the reason the elite are the elite is because most people are happy to not be free and to put their will in the hands of the other.

lostinstrangeworld

16-11-2008, 02:20 PM

"All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream".

lostinstrangeworld

16-11-2008, 02:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fisFuWEHoTs

marpat

16-11-2008, 02:21 PM

the false messiah is the anti-christ, the rothschilds are his descendants.

Ancestry means nothing. You could easily be related to Judas and know nothing of it but would it make you a bad person. It is not who your ancestors are that matter but what you do now.

marpat

16-11-2008, 02:24 PM

Different groups will make devils out of others. Islam sees western Society and those that wont convert to Islam as Satanic.

Surah 4:76-78 "fighteth on Allah's path, whether he be slain of conquer…Fight therefore against the friends of Satan"

This is so true. It is a common saying in the mystery schools that the gods of one religion will be the demons of later religions.

lostinstrangeworld

16-11-2008, 02:25 PM

Excellent post, thirdwave.

lostinstrangeworld

16-11-2008, 02:33 PM

True happiness can only come from awareness of our true nature, a knowing of Oneness.
In other words, it can only come from love.

To hurt another is to hurt yourself.

Surely if there was a being who had been around for as long as Satan is meant to have, it would have realized this by now.

To me, the idea of negative entities (who are souls that have lost their way) does make sense to me, but for there to be a being as intelligent, etc as Satan who is pure evil, the embodiment of all that is psychotic, etc.....just seems insane.

It doesn't make sense.
If somebody feels they know more than I do on this one, and can explain, go ahead.

runciter

16-11-2008, 02:48 PM

Ancestry means nothing. You could easily be related to Judas and know nothing of it but would it make you a bad person. It is not who your ancestors are that matter but what you do now.

what are they doing now? they are f***ing mankind.

haukipesukone

16-11-2008, 03:09 PM

no, it's them against us, it's being aware that someone wants to f*** you.

There are a few people I'm thinking of. I hope at least one of them wants to f*** me. True, it would be nice to know how they actually feel, instead of guessing.

what are they doing now? they are f***ing mankind.

Mankind should get itself f***ed more often, it might get less grumpy. I know I should.

marpat

16-11-2008, 03:18 PM

what are they doing now? they are f***ing mankind.

That is nothing to do with what you posted though. You post one thing then when you cant answer it you just start going on about something else.

Essentially have you any proof that they perform ceremonies to Satan, and I dont mean stuff that can be twisted and distorted and bent out of shape to maybe mean that they are just bad people. Can you offer some real proof that they worship satan? I would say that you cant.

lostinstrangeworld

16-11-2008, 03:24 PM

There are a few people I'm thinking of. I hope at least one of them wants to f*** me. True, it would be nice to know how they actually feel, instead of guessing.

LOL

Mankind should get itself f***ed more often, it might get less grumpy. I know I should.

LOL.

You devil. :D

haukipesukone

16-11-2008, 03:53 PM

LOL.

You devil. :D

*Blushes*

runciter

16-11-2008, 04:12 PM

That is nothing to do with what you posted though. You post one thing then when you cant answer it you just start going on about something else.

Essentially have you any proof that they perform ceremonies to Satan, and I dont mean stuff that can be twisted and distorted and bent out of shape to maybe mean that they are just bad people. Can you offer some real proof that they worship satan? I would say that you cant.

i have proof that they're turning this world into a hell.

causing paing gives them pleasure, they're mentally ill.

lizzy

16-11-2008, 04:54 PM

the reason the elite are the elite is because most people are happy to not be free and to put their will in the hands of the other.

Yeah right, as if there was a choice...everytime you sign a contract ,pay a bill , pick up your wages......the evil mfers get a cut or tie you up with USARY.....enslaved a country , drain it dry , move on....now we see the western take down ..the diabolical NWO great work ....to control it ALL .....THAT is real evil .......

and marpet/adimon says.......'bring it on', LOL......

lizzy

16-11-2008, 05:06 PM

i have proof that they're turning this world into a hell.

causing paing gives them pleasure, they're mentally ill.

Yes runciter....THIS is the real evil.....and to see it defended even promoted here is sick indeed......

I wash my hands of this convo....all the ancient gods are a myth...what they have done to mankind is not.

eternal_spirit

16-11-2008, 06:06 PM

What's wrong with Satanism?
It can be another prison like any other religion with rituals beliefs etc that are merley superstitions.

And some think Marilyin Manson has talent. :eek:

That's real deluded.

armoured_amazon

16-11-2008, 06:20 PM

marpat

16-11-2008, 06:31 PM

Yes runciter....THIS is the real evil.....and to see it defended even promoted here is sick indeed......

I wash my hands of this convo....all the ancient gods are a myth...what they have done to mankind is not.

Do you mean the Elohim in whose likeness we are made?

haukipesukone

16-11-2008, 06:45 PM

i have proof that they're turning this world into a hell.

causing paing gives them pleasure, they're mentally ill.

I think it's very human to derive pleasure from pain inflicted unto others or yourself.

What's wrong with Satanism?
It can be another prison like any other religion with rituals beliefs etc that are merley superstitions.

And some think Marilyin Manson has talent. :eek:

That's real deluded.

I think Marilyn Manson at least had talent. I don't think he ever really realized his potential. When he released his latest album I lost all faith in him.

But I don't think Manson has much to do with real Satanism. He's just a showman.

runciter

16-11-2008, 07:11 PM

Do you mean the Elohim in whose likeness we are made?

she means any god that urges you to hurt another living creature.

p.s. 666 1 is simply the inversion of 1999..

runciter

16-11-2008, 07:16 PM

I think it's very human to derive pleasure from pain inflicted unto others or yourself.

it's mental illness, no doubt about it.

lyrag

16-11-2008, 08:58 PM

More to the point...what is RIGHT with satanism???:eek:

marpat

16-11-2008, 09:26 PM

she means any god that urges you to hurt another living creature.

p.s. 666 1 is simply the inversion of 1999..

So your matrix theory is based on the christian numeric 666 and then turning it upside down and adding 1. Sounds like trying to make something out of nothing. 666 is the number of a man according to revelations.

kingmonkey

16-11-2008, 09:29 PM

pain and pleasure are two horns on the same beast (pardon the pun).

eternal_spirit

16-11-2008, 09:33 PM

More to the point...what is RIGHT with satanism???:eek:

Erm let me think! No can't think of anything.

thirdwave

16-11-2008, 09:51 PM

Of course I will add another thing that the bible does not mention which is odd as they have taken so much from the story of prometheus.

Who stole the knowledge (fire) from Zeus who hid it from man kind as a punishment for making fun out of him.... but the bible did not copy the part where prometheus warned Zues that man kind would eventually rise and become gods them selves and that Zues will no longer be able to oppress them... this made Zues very nervous.... strike a chord with anyone here?

Yeah right, as if there was a choice...everytime you sign a contract ,pay a bill , pick up your wages......the evil mfers get a cut or tie you up with USARY.....enslaved a country , drain it dry , move on....now we see the western take down ..the diabolical NWO great work ....to control it ALL .....THAT is real evil .......

and marpet/adimon says.......'bring it on', LOL......

you see Lizzy here is where you shoot your self in the foot.... here we see your signature

"The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity. "
which makes no sense really and you more than likely got it from Worzil...

but it does sugest that people should not conform which is fair enough.... yet here you are saying there is no such opportunity to NOT do so.... So what are you about exactly...

you are just one big ball of confusion.... its like you just come here to put doubt in any subject of real enlightenment... yet encourage any info that suggests one is helpless and up shit creek without a paddle, and go so far as to attack others with research you cant even counter.... much like Alan Robot Watt.

this is you through and through... you are a fear monger that only comes here to mock solutions you cant comprehend and to prevent any clarity on the forum...

But I don't think Manson has much to do with real Satanism. He's just a showman.

I agree, he is a fantastic showman expressing great aggression from an extremilly oppressed country... we see in him what oppression can do.

as for his Satanic views... I think he message is quite clear.

"The Fight Song"

Nothing suffocates you more than
The passing of everyday human events
Isolation is the oxygen mask you make
Your children breathe in to survive

But I'm not a slave to a god
That doesn't exist
But I'm not a slave to a world
That doesn't give a shit

And when we were good
You just closed you eyes
So when we are bad
We'll scar your minds

Fight, fight, fight, fight

You'll never grow up to be a big-
Rock-star-celebrated-victim-of-your-fame
They'll just cut our wrists like
Cheap coupons and say that death
Was on sale today

And when we were good
You just closed you eyes
So when we are bad
We'll scar your minds

But I'm not a slave to a god
That doesn't exist
But I'm not a slave to a world
That doesn't give a shit

The death of one is a tragedy
The death of one is a tragedy
The death of one is a tragedy
But death of a million is just a statistic

[CHORUS]

Fight, fight, fight, fight

More to the point...what is RIGHT with satanism???:eek:

I have no interest in "Satanism" and do not feel it exists other than a stand against Fundamentalist Christianity and a curtain in front of real understanding.

Although I think the fact it does stand against Fundamentalist Christianity is pretty right.... if i was to pick something.

lizzy

16-11-2008, 11:43 PM

thirdWAY.....

I am well aware how YOU and others in your corner would like to keep hammering at me......

But let me tell you this.......the system is NOT worth saving , it is putrid... and you NEVER say anything against it , only anti christian and pro lalaland ..

I have a fuctioning heart for my fellow man , yours is all selfish ego.....

bye bye ...I know what you are.....go get a flu shot, .....you seemed to think that to talk of the nwo is somehow fear mongering....you would rather people stay with reppie chit chat , crowley and magick.......LOL.....

yup, keep in the mystic sheep pen...that's your job.

niall

17-11-2008, 12:09 AM

I just was wondering what led anyone to get into crowley. No offence, just genuinely being curious.

coshh

17-11-2008, 12:14 AM

What's wrong with satanism is that whilst man is entirely dependent of God satanism pretends that man is capable of independence from God.
All other errors of satanism stem from this error, and all who accept this error begin upon the path to satanism.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 12:46 AM

thirdWAY.....

I am well aware how YOU and others in your corner would like to keep hammering at me......

steady on there! :)

But let me tell you this.......the system is NOT worth saving , it is putrid... and you NEVER say anything against it , only anti christian and pro lalaland ..

LOL... there you go again... So now you dont think the system is worth saving... so why do you object with people getting all into the spiritual side of David Ickes work and as you would put it "being destracted from the real stuff going on"?? ... would this not be good to let the system collaps while people just address their inner issues?

or are you just righting somthing just to add more pointless conflicting views simply for the sake of it?...

As for your silly comment about me not being critical of the society we live in i am not sure if you said that just to be provocative or if you have a poor memory but feel free to search through my posts and view some quotes such as the following..

if true then our country has alot to answer for... as we clearly have the scum of the earth running it....

the question is... shall we be scum?... or shall we change?

good to hear that 68% are still holding up the flag for humanity.

and

So living in a world where the values are created by society and where they only suit and benefit a few is all good?

the thing is there is no perfect solution and answer... all that is needed is a willingness to change and make things better....

and while people are awake and aware to how the PTB are corrupted things and ruled in a evil manner, then awakened progress will always be a step for the better.....

If you also take into account the amount of posts I have posted expressing how Religion has fucked with out society for a very very long time and has made it the oppressive word it is.... then you really are coming out with some you know what... if you have had a few Sunday glasses of Red I will let you off.

I have a fuctioning heart for my fellow man , yours is all selfish ego.....

Very foolish thing to say really... But think what you like about me, allthough I care not about your judgment it does make it very hard for me to offer any respect....

So address me as "thirdWAY" (what ever the fuck that means) and view me as a selfish Satanist.... it wont change any form of truth, and this seems to be something you are very much in need of learning.

As for you having a heart... I will take your word for it... but I think a good brain can make a good heart all the more effective...

bye bye ...I know what you are.....go get a flu shot,

Why thank you.

.....you seemed to think that to talk of the nwo is somehow fear mongering....you would rather people stay with reppie chit chat , crowley and magick.......LOL.....

You think allot about what others "SEEM" to talk and think, but very rarely listen or learn anything... like I say.... rather than throw wild and random comments out about what you think I seem to think.... why not focus more on what I actually say?

Maybe then it will make more sense.

yup, keep in the mystic sheep pen...that's your job.

Mystic sheep pen??

LOL, that comment says it all ...

the funny thing is ... how can you stand outside a Mystic sheep pen and know so much about it?? :eek:

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 01:06 AM

I just was wondering what led anyone to get into crowley. No offence, just genuinely being curious.

What interested me is how so many hated him but yet I never really knew what he had actually done wrong... for someone to be deemed a more evil person than the likes of Hitler and so on I was expecting some pretty full on info to disgust me.... but never really saw it.... and the reaction of other people when you talk about him made me feel a sense of oppression being forced upon me (mostly by Christians)... and this made me very suspicious about it all...

the funny thing Is I would not say I am "into Crowley" I just do not think he is the "wickedest man in the world"... do not think he is a "Satanist's".... and do not think he was on a mission to help the NWO.... and Do think he was a very interesting guy.

and his own works speaks volumes on why i think the above.

He was a nutter no doubt and had his down sides.... But I don't care, I don't look for perfection in people... and would not trust them if I found them.

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2008, 01:25 AM

Yeah, perhaps it's just a "witch hunt".

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2008, 01:28 AM

"Silent Warrior"

Long ago, for many years
White men came in the name of god
They took their land, they took their lives
A new age has just begun
.
They lost their gods, they lost their smile
They cried for help for the last time.
Liberty was turning into chains
But all the white men said
That's the cross of changes
.
In the name of God - the fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - is it right - in the name of god
These kind of changes ?
.
They tried to fight for liberty
Without a chance in hell, they gave up.
White men won in the name of god
With the cross as alibi
.
There's no God who ever tried
To change the world in this way.
For the ones who abuse his name
There'll be no chance to escape
On judgement day
.
In the name of God - the fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - is it right - in the name of god
These kind of changes ?
.
Tell me why, tell me why, tell why
The white men said:
That's the cross of changes ?
.
Tell me why, tell me why, tell why,
In the name of god
These kind of changes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBXtriO182E

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 02:08 AM

therealknockoff

17-11-2008, 03:05 AM

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2008, 03:10 AM

coshh

17-11-2008, 03:14 AM

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to who Satan really is.

Who is Satan exactly?

And who is God? The God of the Old Testament? The God of the Old Testament was cruel.

Personally, I don't trust either of them.

I believe that "the kingdom of god is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there, lift a stone and you will find me".

(From the Gospel of Thomas...I don't follow any religion, just whatever words ring true for me).

I think that belief external forces like the "devil" are illusions.God if He exists is a personal being (rather than an impersonal force) who created and sustains the universe upon whom all of existence depends much more totally than the physical body depends upon breathing air.
He may not exist (although I have enough evidence for me to convince me He does) - but if He does those attributes alone communicate a lot.

The devil is a created being who having at some point the capacity decided that He wanted independence as God has and no created being has, and in so deciding he became estranged from God and in his estranged state seeks to make others so estranged.

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2008, 03:16 AM

The only thing that makes sense to me, if there is a devil, is that the devil somehow fell into a state of spiritual amnesia himself.

haukipesukone

17-11-2008, 03:48 AM

I like the lyrics of Silent Warrior, the singer I don't.

satanism is always wrong, and anyone who is a satanist is being horribly duped into eternal torture. DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR OPPRESSOR! The satanists are behing the NWO and everything! How could anyone on this site be this naieve?

You seem maniacal. Like some fervorous fanatic. That's scary. I hope you don't have rabies.

Is it Satan's fault I hurt my toe this weekend?

Hmm, aren't good Christians supposed to fear God? If you fear Satan does that make him your God?

runciter

17-11-2008, 09:12 AM

So your matrix theory is based on the christian numeric 666 and then turning it upside down and adding 1. Sounds like trying to make something out of nothing. 666 is the number of a man according to revelations.

it is the number of sabbetai zevi, a man whose descendants pretend to be god.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 10:46 AM

satanism is always wrong, and anyone who is a satanist is being horribly duped into eternal torture. DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR OPPRESSOR! The satanists are behing the NWO and everything! How could anyone on this site be this naieve?

Take note that if you are not a Christian or place your view upon christians knowledge then Satan is not really your enemy.... he is just a myth ...a symbol.... at most its symbology.

I do not fear him one tiny bit... and I do not even oppose him... as I think many times he is used as an icon of standing up to religion and its manipulation.

I also do not believe in eternal torture, I think what ever position you are in there is always a way out and new paths you can choose.

there is way in and out of "hell"... and there is also a way in and out of "heaven".

runciter

17-11-2008, 10:50 AM

Take note that if you are not a Christian or place your view upon christians knowledge then Satan is not really your enemy.... he is just a myth ...a symbol....

I do not fear him one tiny bit... and I do not even oppose him... as I think many times he is used as an icon of standing up to religion and its manipulation.

you're finding excuses not to oppose the rothschildean psychopaths.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 10:58 AM

God if He exists is a personal being (rather than an impersonal force) who created and sustains the universe upon whom all of existence depends much more totally than the physical body depends upon breathing air.
He may not exist (although I have enough evidence for me to convince me He does) - but if He does those attributes alone communicate a lot.

The devil is a created being who having at some point the capacity decided that He wanted independence as God has and no created being has, and in so deciding he became estranged from God and in his estranged state seeks to make others so estranged.

I don't agree god has to be a personal being.... I think that is no more logical than there not being a god... as somone would have had to create THAT being.

I believe God is simply nature and we are all it, and the more we understand and feel it the more attached we become to it and the more we can create and interact with it... its one big energy, it is everything and is always changing and moving...

armoured_amazon

17-11-2008, 11:01 AM

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 11:05 AM

you're finding excuses not to oppose the rothschildean psychopaths.

That's an odd statement seeing as I have presented some perfectly clear and tangible reasons to have a distaste of such people.

they are just not built upon the christian point of view....

I believe their elegance lies with a blood line they share and where that blood line has come from.... I do not think they worship a being in charge of evil called Satan... and if they did they certainly would not be as dangerous as they are.

runciter

17-11-2008, 11:21 AM

That's an odd statement seeing as I have presented some perfectly clear and tangible reasons to have a distaste of such people.

they are just not built upon the christian point of view....

I believe their elegance lies with a blood line they share and where that blood line has come from.... I do not think they worship a being in charge of evil called Satan... and if they did they certainly would not be as dangerous as they are.

they are the primary cause of all suffering on planet earth, they are "satan".

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 01:52 PM

they are the primary cause of all suffering on planet earth, they are "satan".

But on these posts we can already see how it is all simply a point of view...... where we have one christian here saying that satan is actually a person, which she is of course free to think, I very much think that's not the case. And on the other side we have you who thinks that Satan is anyone who makes someone suffer...

Why does one need to be threatened with Satan's eternal flames to be good??

cant one just be good because its the most sensible way to behave?

and cant one just understand that what one creates one will face?...

I am truly not in the slightest bit afraid of "satan"...

It makes my good deeds so much more rewarding knowing that they are good simply because I choose to create it not because I'm afraid of Gods Satan and hell warnings..

I worked out that any god who only offers warnings of a mind set he says we must follow in order to avoid another evil being he created, Is really not a god intelligent enough for me... I would not do such a stupid thing and certainly wont worship another who does.

the idea of there being one being behind evil in the whole universe is good for nursery school to simplify things for young children as you do with kid stories to present certain morals to kids and so on.... but once you get past that 13-14 mark.... I think you got to realise that its not all down to one pissed off being, lol... and if it is then with so much power you would have to question his importance in the universe....no?

runciter

17-11-2008, 02:12 PM

But on these posts we can already see how it is all simply a point of view......

it is a simple truth: central bankers are the primary cause of all human suffering.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 02:20 PM

it is a simple truth: central bankers are the primary cause of all human suffering.

eerrr well yeah banking is certainty a dodgy thing and is certainly a big part in the mess the world is in.

not sure why that means its a simple truth though.... its kind of like another subject.

runciter

17-11-2008, 02:24 PM

eerrr well yeah banking is certainty a dodgy thing and is certainly a big part in the mess the world is in.

not sure why that means its a simple truth though.... its kind of like another subject.

i think central bankers are the primary cause of all "evil", i.e. war, famine etc..

haukipesukone

17-11-2008, 02:32 PM

i think central bankers are the primary cause of all "evil", i.e. war, famine etc..

They're not the cause, they're a tool that the true "cause" is using.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 02:41 PM

i think central bankers are the primary cause of all "evil", i.e. war, famine etc..

what about Ted Bundy? ...was he evil because of banks?

Hitler? .... what about child killers and rapists? ...

animal cruelty?...

Although I would agree that banks are a tool used by very greedy and selfish people and are certainly a tool used by the NWO agenda... Its not just banks though... money is a token of distrust in its self.

runciter

17-11-2008, 02:45 PM

what about Ted Bundy? ...was he evil because of banks?

Hitler? .... what about child killers and rapists? ...

animal cruelty?...

Although I would agree that banks are a tool used by very greedy and selfish people and are certainly a tool used by the NWO agenda... Its not just banks though... money is a token of distrust in its self.

http://g.astrology.com/course/beginners_astrology/AC-0562.jpg

Here we have the cross of matter and the crescent of soul, with the cross very much on top and dominating. The soul is under the control of matter. How fitting for Saturn, the ruler of form and often considered the major malefic.

http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/Beginners-Astrology/712-Saturn-Symbol

http://proliberty.com/observer/all%20seeing%20eye.jpg

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 03:13 PM

http://g.astrology.com/course/beginners_astrology/AC-0562.jpg

Here we have the cross of matter and the crescent of soul, with the cross very much on top and dominating. The soul is under the control of matter. How fitting for Saturn, the ruler of form and often considered the major malefic.

http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/Beginners-Astrology/712-Saturn-Symbol

http://proliberty.com/observer/all%20seeing%20eye.jpg

Hu? ... that's a bit of a jump!... not sure what you on about now... firstly are you now implying that the Planet Saturn is also Satan now? .... I guess its interesting... but then again the morning star is connected to Venus not Satern.... so it can all get a bit confusing...

and second of all Im not sure the diagram you have given is really suggesting anything tangible IMO.

what is your point within the contexts of the conversation we are having?

runciter

17-11-2008, 04:10 PM

Hu? ... that's a bit of a jump!... not sure what you on about now... firstly are you now implying that the Planet Saturn is also Satan now? .... I guess its interesting... but then again the morning star is connected to Venus not Satern.... so it can all get a bit confusing...

and second of all Im not sure the diagram you have given is really suggesting anything tangible IMO.

what is your point within the contexts of the conversation we are having?

they tie us to matter through their debt-contaminated money.

our present reality is an illusion, the possibilities are endless.. :cool:

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 04:37 PM

they tie us to matter through their debt-contaminated money.

our present reality is an illusion, the possibilities are endless.. :cool:

ahhh yeah of course ... the banking system is full of shit, money does not even exsist..... its all a control scam.

not sure what that has to do with the reality of Satan though.

runciter

17-11-2008, 04:44 PM

ahhh yeah of course ... the banking system is full of shit, money does not even exsist..... its all a control scam.

not sure what that has to do with the reality of Satan though.

satan is matter over soul, like the saturn symbol i posted before..

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 04:44 PM

satan is matter over soul, like the saturn symbol i posted before.

So you have your own little view on Satan... that's cool.

lizzy

17-11-2008, 04:56 PM

They don't say 'money is the root of evil' for nothnig......

this system is satanic......it breeds sickness ......

Thirdway......you gobble up ancient mind control crap and regurgitate it as new age crap........you are part of the problem NOT the solution......and many good posters past and present knew this ......

say what you like....your opinions are of no importance to me...I think they are useless to anyone who really knows the true agenda and what it is doing..

runciter

17-11-2008, 04:58 PM

So you have your own little view on Satan... that's cool.

"satan" is the rothschild family, i know who is my enemy.

haukipesukone

17-11-2008, 05:00 PM

They don't say 'money is the root of evil' for nothnig......

Who's they? The Illuminati? So we'd blame money, a tool, instead of the real culprit.

this system is satanic......it breeds sickness ......

Thirdway......you gobble up ancient mind control crap and regurgitate it as new age crap........you are part of the problem NOT the solution......and many good posters past and present knew this ......

say what you like....your opinions are of no importance to me...I think they are useless to anyone who really knows the true agenda and what it is doing..

At least you bother to tell him that his opinion doesn't matter to you. If it didn't matter I don't think you would bother.

haukipesukone

17-11-2008, 05:01 PM

"satan" is the rothschild family, i know who is my enemy.

I think everyone here knows your views on the Rothchilds.

runciter

17-11-2008, 05:04 PM

I think everyone here knows your views on the Rothchilds.

do you think they are correct? am i looking in the right direction?

lizzy

17-11-2008, 05:05 PM

http://g.astrology.com/course/beginners_astrology/AC-0562.jpg

Here we have the cross of matter and the crescent of soul, with the cross very much on top and dominating. The soul is under the control of matter. How fitting for Saturn, the ruler of form and often considered the major malefic.

http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/Beginners-Astrology/712-Saturn-Symbol

http://proliberty.com/observer/all%20seeing%20eye.jpg
yes.......
this is what I have said runciter........that satan is saturn ..... ancient mind control .....fast becoming the new age mind control.....this evil is in everything...man's sickness is that it can not be escaped......it is in every lie we are fed constantly in this corrupt satanic system.......

and now I am out......"energy flows where focus goes"......and I refuse to give it any more of mine....

good luck with these sicko's.......I would leave them to it......they contaminate.

niall

17-11-2008, 06:04 PM

What interested me is how so many hated him but yet I never really knew what he had actually done wrong... for someone to be deemed a more evil person than the likes of Hitler and so on I was expecting some pretty full on info to disgust me.... but never really saw it.... and the reaction of other people when you talk about him made me feel a sense of oppression being forced upon me (mostly by Christians)... and this made me very suspicious about it all...

the funny thing Is I would not say I am "into Crowley" I just do not think he is the "wickedest man in the world"... do not think he is a "Satanist's".... and do not think he was on a mission to help the NWO.... and Do think he was a very interesting guy.

and his own works speaks volumes on why i think the above.

He was a nutter no doubt and had his down sides.... But I don't care, I don't look for perfection in people... and would not trust them if I found them.

Are you not treating christian people the same as you claim they treat those that are interested in what you are? Have you ever read the whole bible from beginning to end? Because its an interesting read and most people seem to quickly flick through or search on the net for short passages that they can then post to undermine it. Unless you read the whole text ( in order like you would read any other book) i don't think you can put true meanings to the short paragraphs.
Another thing i have found in my life is that its much better to be flexiable about knowledge and to always try and keep an open mind. After all life is a journey and we are learning new stuff everyday and if you completely close the door on something you may end up missing something that is important. I have met you and think your good bloke, we just have different opinions on certain subjects.:D

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2008, 06:14 PM

......"energy flows where focus goes"......

Good point! :eek:

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 07:51 PM

They don't say 'money is the root of evil' for nothnig......

good observation, but not everyone that uses it are evil ... dwell on that for a while.

this system is satanic......it breeds sickness ......

and I think most people know the system if fucked... and everyone here knows that the system is corrupt and designed to benefit a certain few... and for others to feed their system... If calling it Satanic does it for you then cool!

I mean you only need to look at africa to see somthing is not right... your hardly laying down the holy grail of knowledge here are you... you are laying it down because you like to lay down all the info that urges helplessness.... because you are a pusher of the fear machine because you are to dim to see it and to much of a 5 sense robot to even perceive anything more.... you are not asleep..no, you are a sleep walker.

Thirdway......you gobble up ancient mind control crap and regurgitate it as new age crap........

I cant really take your views on board when you use ignorant fraises such as "ancient mind control crap" .. its like talking to some silly character out of little Britten... feel free to clarify what it means.

and labelling stuff as "new age crap" just exposes the ignorant outlook you have... I mean I can half tolerate people who see religion as crap, so decide to brush other spiritual concepts off as "New Age crap" ... but someone sticking up for Jesus Christ and declaring Satan as our enemy and then going on to mock "New Age Crap" is just way to ignorant for me....

you are part of the problem NOT the solution......and many good posters past and present knew this ......

you are starting to come across as desperate and actually think trying to make me feel self concious about having the view I have will change it ??

lol.. not a chance, I do not expect all to agree or like me and nor do I care to be perfect.

You clearly have no idea what the problem is let alone know the solution... never mind tell me what I am contributing to!

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 07:53 PM

"satan" is the rothschild family, i know who is my enemy.

good for you.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 08:41 PM

Are you not treating christian people the same as you claim they treat those that are interested in what you are?

what am I interested in?.. the way I see it its all occult... all religion is occult too...

I just research things beyond the bible and do not base judgement from the bibles education .... does not mean Im into something as such ...

I feel the bible has oppressed many other beliefs over the years ...because it has done, regardless of how some may see and practice it today.

Im into what ever inspires me that day....

Have you ever read the whole bible from beginning to end? in my life I must have read the bible about 2 times, first during school and secondly when I was interested in criticizing it.. I have read the sepert books within it at different times, and as I have said before, there are some texts in there that were written clearly by a very wise and loving person.... But I do not believe all of "Jesus's" (or who ever that man/men was/were) texts were spoken through the same person.

Because its an interesting read and most people seem to quickly flick through or search on the net for short passages that they can then post to undermine it.

I think its an occult book...

I was happy when that website was posted with bible texts as previously I would converse with a Christian here and they would deny the bible said something it did when I was bringing it up... I could not be bothered to search through my bible and type the relevant parts here as it takes to long... I say I have read the bible, I do not know it like the back of my hand.

if there is anything I have posted that you feel is out of context then I would be happy to go and find more of the relevant texts and put it in as my aim is to clarify ..not distort.... I just wont buy any of the "you have to feel the holy spirit to know what they mean" stuff.

I also did not need to read the bible to know it was not something I felt had enlightenment in... I always felt religion was too serious and felt to much authority within it, felt one had to feel guilt in order to get closer to it... all of them.

Unless you read the whole text ( in order like you would read any other book) i don't think you can put true meanings to the short paragraphs.

I agree with this... and its something that happens allot when people try to attack someone or something.... Although I generally feel that the texts do mean what they say and there are parts of the bible that use fear to strengthen its will.

Another thing i have found in my life is that its much better to be flexiable about knowledge and to always try and keep an open mind.

Exactly... I am open to many possibilities as to what the bible actually is and I don't claim to know %100 what its all about.... I am even happy for some to worship Jesus and to use him to help there lives if that's what they really want.

In fact I belive if a person's target is to use Jesus Christ to make him a better person and to be good...so on... if that person really wants to use Jesus Christ in that way and is dedicated to it then I even think it can work.... If that's what one wants then fine...

but its when they think others are in need of the same and are walking the wrong path for not being on that same path... then this is where it goes wrong IMO... I also think its unwise to has a set belief system and not be prepared to change it or to allow it to be influenced by the days around you and not a book.

The Fact I do know is that Jesus is not my Messiah.

After all life is a journey and we are learning new stuff everyday and if you completely close the door on something you may end up missing something that is important. I would not be talking on this thread If I closed the door.... take note that I am not saying that the bible is irrelevant.... just because I don't believe in Christ or Jesus it does not mean I do not feel the bible does not contain hidden knowledge... its comes down to what knowledge you are looking for.

I have met you and think your good bloke, we just have different opinions on certain subjects.:D
We have met??

Im crap with remembering Forum names, sorry to be rude but where?.. you were one of the guys at the meet up??

marpat

17-11-2008, 09:00 PM

it is the number of sabbetai zevi, a man whose descendants pretend to be god.

Well many people have claimed divine descent. There are also many living people who are called incarnate gods.

666 is the number of a man. Try reading revelations. It doe not say it is the number of that guy.

marpat

17-11-2008, 09:03 PM

i think central bankers are the primary cause of all "evil", i.e. war, famine etc..

I think humans with greed and ambition are the cause of evil no matter what they are in life. The trouble is with conspiracy theorists is they are always looking for somebody else to blame. A lot of trouble that people encounter is of their own doing. I am also sure that you do not live so selflessly that you have done no wrong or haven't carried out any act that has hurt somebody.

thirdwave

17-11-2008, 10:37 PM

I have met you and think your good bloke, we just have different opinions on certain subjects.:D

Ahh i feel a tit now just checked on the meet up thread and seen who you are... :), yeah of course we met,, I get mixed up with all the avatars... and the same goes for you mate, the bottom line is if everyone agreed on everything then we would not resolve much.

drael

18-11-2008, 05:48 AM

Theres many people here who beleive that the 260,000 year old conspiracy worships a god that is much younger than that. Its not at all accurate obviously, but to confuse matters entirely people say "satanism" to refer to any form of black magick.

To be accurate IMO, this would be better reffered to as "black magicians/left-hand path/Setians, or servants of the dark etc". Ie something that isnt recently made up and actually accurate.

Ive brought up this inaccuracy several times, but people still use the word. I guess people are locked into that christianity box, even non-christians.

As for whats wrong with satanists? bad taste in clothing and music, and being overly obsessed with christianity. If i was one of the "hedonist" satanists, id go for pan, or dionysis or something cooler than a silly looking red guy with horns.

lostinstrangeworld

18-11-2008, 05:52 AM

http://rdr.zazzle.com/img/imt-prd/isz-l/pd-168816171379654077/tl-if_you_judge_people_you_have_no_time_to_love_t_mug .jpg

lostinstrangeworld

18-11-2008, 05:53 AM

http://www.peaceproject.com/graphics/mini/MS56.gif

lostinstrangeworld

18-11-2008, 05:53 AM

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/225z44109571.jpg

lostinstrangeworld

18-11-2008, 06:04 AM

"We are born into a hostile world, run by a God who has things He wants us to do and things He wants us not to do, and will punish us with everlasting torture if we don't get the two right.

"Our first experience in Life is separation from our mother, the Source of our Life. This creates the context for our entire reality, which we experience as one of separation from the Source Of All Life.

"We are not only separate from all Life but from everything else in Life. Everything that exists, exists separate from us. And we are separate from everything else that exists. We do not want it this way, but this is the way it is. We wish it were otherwise, and, indeed, we strive for it to be otherwise.

"We seek to experience Oneness again with all things, and especially with each other. We may not know why, exactly, yet it seems almost instinctual. It feels like the natural thing to do. The only problem is, there does not seem to be enough of the other to satisfy us. No matter what the other thing is that we want, we cannot seem to get enough of it. We cannot get enough love, we cannot get enough time, we cannot get enough money. We cannot get enough of whatever it is we think we need in order to be happy and fulfilled. The moment we think that we have enough, we decide that we want more.

"Since there is 'not enough' of whatever it is we think we need to be happy, we must 'do stuff' to get as much as we can get. Things are required of us in exchange for everything, from God's love to the natural bounty of Life. Simply 'being alive' is not enough. Therefore we, like all of Life, are not enough.

"Because just 'being' isn't sufficient, the competition begins. If there's not enough out there, we have to compete for what's there.

"We have to compete for everything, including God.

"This competition is tough. It is about our very survival. In this contest, only the fittest survive. And to the victor go all the spoils. If we lose, we live a hell on Earth. And after we die, if we are losers in the competition for God, we experience hell again-this time forever.

"Death was actually created by God because our forebears made the wrong choices. Adam and Eve had everlasting life in the Garden of Eden. But then, Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and she and Adam were driven from the Garden by an angry God. This God sentenced them, and all their progeny forevermore, to death as the first punishment. Henceforth, life in the body would be limited, and no longer everlasting, and so would the stuff of Life.

"Yet God will give us back our everlasting life if we never again break His rules. God's love is unconditional, it is only God's rewards which are not. God loves us even as He condemns us to everlasting damnation. It hurts Him more than it hurts us, because He really wants us to return home, but He can't do anything about it if we misbehave. The choice is ours.

"The trick is, therefore, to not misbehave. We need to live a good life. We must strive to do so. In order to do so, we have to know the truth about what God wants and does not want from us. We cannot please God, and we cannot avoid offending Him, if we do not know right from wrong. So we have to know the truth about that.

"The truth is simple to understand and easy to know. All we have to do is listen to the prophets, teachers, sages, and the source and founder of our religion. If there is more than one religion and, therefore, more than one source and founder, then we have to make sure to pick the right one. Picking the wrong one could result in us being a loser.

"When we pick the right one, we are superior, we are better than our peers, because we have the truth on our side. This state of being 'better' allows us to claim most of the prizes in the contest without actually contesting them. We get to declare ourselves the winners before the competition begins. It is out of this awareness that we give ourselves all the advantages, and write our 'Rules of Life' in such a way that certain others find it nearly impossible to win the really big prizes.

"We do not do this out of meanness but simply in order to ensure that victory is ours-as rightly it should be, since it is those of our religion, of our nationality, of our race, of our gender, of our political persuasion who know the truth, and therefore deserve to be winners.

"Because we deserve to win, we have a right to threaten others, to fight with them, even to kill them if necessary, in order to produce this result.

"There may be another way to live, another thing that God has in mind, another, larger truth, but if there is, we don't know it. In fact, it is not clear whether we are even supposed to know it. It is possible that we are not supposed to even try to know it, much less to truly know and understand God. To try is presumptuous, and to declare that you have actually done so is blasphemous.

"God is the Unknown Knower, the Unmoved Mover, the Great Unseen. Therefore, we cannot know the truth that we are required to know in order to meet the conditions that we are required to meet in order to receive the love that we are required to receive in order to avoid the condemnation that we are seeking to avoid in order to have the everlasting life that we had before any of this started.

"Our ignorance is unfortunate, but should not be problematic. All we need do is take what we think we do know-our cultural story-on faith, and proceed accordingly. This we have tried to do, each according to his or her own beliefs, and thus we have produced the life that we are now living, and the reality on Earth that we are creating."

This is how most of the human race has it constructed. You each have your minor variations, but this is, in essence, how you live your lives, justify your choices, and rationalize the outcomes.

Some of you do not accept all of this, yet all of you accept some of it. And you accept these statements as the operating reality not because they reflect your innermost wisdom but because someone else has told you that they are true.

At some level, you have had to make yourself believe them.

This is called make-believe".

None of this is real.

haukipesukone

18-11-2008, 10:10 AM

I think humans with greed and ambition are the cause of evil no matter what they are in life. The trouble is with conspiracy theorists is they are always looking for somebody else to blame. A lot of trouble that people encounter is of their own doing. I am also sure that you do not live so selflessly that you have done no wrong or haven't carried out any act that has hurt somebody.

What's wrong with ambition?

As for whats wrong with satanists? bad taste in clothing and music, and being overly obsessed with christianity. If i was one of the "hedonist" satanists, id go for pan, or dionysis or something cooler than a silly looking red guy with horns.

The highlighted bit is the worst thing about Satanists.

I think somebody already pointed out, Satan doesn't have horns.

If I was a "hedonist" Satanist I'd go for pikachu.

runciter

18-11-2008, 10:22 AM

Well many people have claimed divine descent. There are also many living people who are called incarnate gods.

666 is the number of a man. Try reading revelations. It doe not say it is the number of that guy.

i think the rothschilds are the direct descendants of the false messiah.

http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/shabbetai_rothschild.html

runciter

18-11-2008, 10:28 AM

thirdwave

18-11-2008, 10:57 AM

you blame those who try to help the victims, instead of blaming the genocidal conspirators.

why can you only perceive one culprit?

most people on this forum are here because they are aware of the corruption and lies going on in the world....

just because they also place religion in this problem it does not mean its what they are pinning all the blame on..... there is much to blame.

runciter

18-11-2008, 11:03 AM

why can you only perceive one culprit?

i perceive the main cause, the cap of the pyramid.

sunya

18-11-2008, 11:46 AM

thirdwave is winning pretty hard at this point.

I agree. Begone Sunya, this thread lost all sense of reason pages ago. Don't try to confuse us with truth.

Tough but fair.

What's grok?

Hippy word for 'get'.

I think Marilyn Manson at least had talent. I don't think he ever really realized his potential. When he released his latest album I lost all faith in him.

Yeah, Marilyn Manson does a love album? Wtf. :confused:

Theres many people here who beleive that the 260,000 year old conspiracy worships a god that is much younger than that. Its not at all accurate obviously, but to confuse matters entirely people say "satanism" to refer to any form of black magick.

To be accurate IMO, this would be better reffered to as "black magicians/left-hand path/Setians, or servants of the dark etc". Ie something that isnt recently made up and actually accurate.

Ive brought up this inaccuracy several times, but people still use the word. I guess people are locked into that christianity box, even non-christians.

As for whats wrong with satanists? bad taste in clothing and music, and being overly obsessed with christianity. If i was one of the "hedonist" satanists, id go for pan, or dionysis or something cooler than a silly looking red guy with horns.

Exactly. Some of the music's aight though.

For a good study on the concept of evil check out Lyall Watson's book Dark Nature.

eternal_spirit

18-11-2008, 12:01 PM

Exactly. Some of the music's aight though.

Not from a musicians point of view Satanic music is for tone deaf people, or people with problems of some kind. But whatever turns you on and all that Jazz.

sunya

18-11-2008, 12:07 PM

'tone deaf people'

no

'people with problems of some kind'

could be the reason

'Jazz'

is aight

eternal_spirit

18-11-2008, 12:10 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=620207#post620207

eternal_spirit

18-11-2008, 12:14 PM

http://usminc.org/crime.html

The Devil made me do it!" The Occult: It Isn't just for pale skinned portly bookish types, it's also for con artists, sociaopaths, psychos, perverts, and homicidal killers! [LAST UPDATE 12-12-07 about 331 incidents listed! ] OLDER CRIMES ARE ON PAGE 2 (http://usminc.org/crime2.html) Do people into the occult ever commit violent crimes, or is it all just "xtian propaganda"?
CRIMES AND INCIDENTS FROM 2007-1900 (Warning: Some parts are graphic)
Here's a sampleof some of the stories

2000 Warsaw, Poland; In April A 19-year-old woman and a 17-year-old boy were killed during a ritual Satanic Black Mass in southern Poland, police said after finding the cut up and burned bodies. The two victims were members of a sect that staged the black mass in a disused bunker on the outskirts of the town of Ruda Slaska, but they did not know they were to die. Another teenage cult member who survived was taken to the hospital with multiple knife wounds. Satanists Tomasz Suszyna,and Robert Krakowian plead guilty to the murders & sentenced to life in prison.

1999 Sawetto, South Africa A Mozambique man, Maeoriko Manyike was sentenced to life in prison for ritual murder and mutilation. Manyike mutilated a 15-yr-old boy and tried to sell his genitals which he had cut off. According to a news report: "Ritual or 'muti' murders are common in South Africa where people are prepared to pay well for portions made of human parts which they believe will bring good health or good fortune." What? You mean African Voodoo isn't a life affirming earth based religion??

1999, Kiev, Ukraine The supreme court sentenced Satanist Dmitry Dyomin to death for the riual killing a 15-year-old girl whose tongue he then boiled and ate. Dyomin belonged to a Satanic cult and with the help of two Satanist accomplices had severed the girl's head with a kitchen knife. Dyomin later lacquered the skull and kept it in his room. Skulls, books on black magic and upside-down crucifixes were found during a search of Dyomin's house. his accomplices, Valentin Chelyshev and Alexei Andreyev sentenced to 13 and 8 yrs. in jail, respectivley.

1999 Tulsa, OK -James Ryan Bunnell originally told the cops he had gotten a gun from his parents' dresser drawer to kill a skunk the family dogs were chasing and then tripped over the threshold when he went back into the house, accidently killing his 15
year old brother. If he hadn't been smoking pot when the police arrived, it might have made his story more believable. The police really doubted his story when they found a blood soaked pillow with four bullet holes in it. Later the landlord discovered occult books & the Satanic writings of Brunnell's in a Bible. Bunnell stated in his writings that he was the "Son of Satan" and desired to kill his entire family as a sacrifice to the Devil, according to testimony heard in Rogers County District Court. Bunnell also wrote, "I want to rape young girls and feed upon their flesh." Perhaps he was imitating Anton LaVey, who admitted to dining on the leg of a 20 year old girl. Bunnell pleaded guilty to manslaughter and recieved 35 years in prison.